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Dr. John Spacer
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Dr. John Spacer
Audio.
Dan
John.
Dr. John Spacer
Ilya is dead. And there's no ghost yet.
Narrator/Announcer
This is a problem.
Alex
How long does it usually take?
Dr. John Spacer
There's no ghost.
Alex
John.
Dr. John Spacer
I can't.
Alex
I know you can't see a ghost. Does it usually take time?
Dr. John Spacer
I can't talk to you when I'm dead.
Alex
I realize this is bad.
Dr. John Spacer
No, you. You lied to me again. I can't trust you.
Narrator/Announcer
Get John to the med bay immediately.
Alex
You think this is a side effect of the vaccine?
Dr. John Spacer
It can't.
Narrator/Announcer
I can't move him now. We need to figure this out.
Dr. John Spacer
I can't see ghost.
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Officer Gibson
Vitals look normal.
Dr. John Spacer
Ow.
Officer Gibson
Oops.
Alex
Missed the van for the third time.
Dr. John Spacer
What can I say?
Officer Gibson
How do you feel?
Dr. John Spacer
I'm broken.
Dan
I'd love to get a peek at that brain of yours right now. Perhaps just a little biopsy.
Alex
A little procedure that requires you to cut into his skull.
Dan
Nonsense. Unliving people. We just use forceps up the nose. Got it.
Officer Gibson
I'm not seeing any changes in blood pressure. Heart rate.
Dan
EEG's normal, too.
Officer Gibson
Maybe when Dr. Lewis looks at the blood, she'll have an answer for us.
Dr. John Spacer
If you start to feel like you're growing a third arm or an extra.
Officer Gibson
Eye, let us know he's right. Any headache or pain in the extrem? Dr. Spacer?
Dr. John Spacer
John, can you leave?
Alex
What?
Dr. John Spacer
I don't want you around me. You're not getting a piece of my brain.
Dan
Fine. I have another idea for how I can help. Let me take you to my lab. I know of a fairly fresh cadaver. We can get you into an environment that feels familiar and see if we can jumpstart those Neurons.
Dr. John Spacer
There's no point. It's gone.
Officer Gibson
Maybe he's right. Dr. Spacer. Now, it's possible that the serum doesn't completely remove the effects, but maybe it just inhibits them. We haven't tested any on live subjects prior, but it's not like the creature suddenly turned back to human afterward. Submerging yourself into a situation where you were used seeing ghosts may help you, for lack of a better word, unblock it.
Dr. John Spacer
Amelia didn't suddenly become sane again after she cured herself. It's worth a shot.
Officer Gibson
And there isn't anything else we can do for you here until Dr. Lewis has time to look at the blood sample. And she is currently dealing with some administrative issues.
Dan
So what do you say, John?
Dr. John Spacer
The fresh cadaver is in Amelia. Right?
Dan
Heavens. Now.
Dr. John Spacer
What the hell is that?
Dan
It's a telecommunication network, Dr. John. Some people call it zoom.
Dr. John Spacer
I meant why am I in your office on a video call?
Dan
Turn off your blurred background, Z.
Huck
Sorry.
Z Phillips
There we go. Is that better?
Dan
She's a crime scene. Yes. Now, do you think you can walk through your process remotely?
Dr. John Spacer
Like to tell her what to do?
Z Phillips
I'm well aware on what to do. Mostly from the textbooks.
Dr. John Spacer
I'm sorry, Dan, this was a mistake.
Dan
This is Z Phillips, a friend of a friend who is newish to the San Francisco Police Department. A crime scene technician who is assisting the coroner.
Dr. John Spacer
I'm not doing this.
Dan
Again, well aware of what to do from the textbooks. From the textbooks, and you could use a little jolt. It's not like I could charter a helicopter and whisk you away to a crime scene. Iris would never allow it.
Dr. John Spacer
I can't just walk her through this job remotely. I need to be hands on.
Dan
Hands in someone, you mean. Is that what gets you going? Metaphorically speaking?
Dr. John Spacer
Am I just supposed to see a ghost through the computer?
Dan
I don't know the logistics of your ability. Do they not work in HD?
Z Phillips
Ghost?
Dr. John Spacer
Nothing.
Dan
Dr. John here can speak to the dead.
Z Phillips
Seriously?
Dr. John Spacer
He's joking.
Dan
You're still not accepting it?
Dr. John Spacer
You're supposed to be the skeptic.
Dan
Skeptics doubt, I disprove.
Dr. John Spacer
I'm sorry for wasting your time.
Dan
Z, if you could take us over behind the tape, please.
Dr. John Spacer
I'm not doing this. There's supposedly another fucking storm coming. This place is a nightmare.
Dan
Will it help ease your mind if I just confirmed it for you? Yes. Okay. There's another storm coming, but they'll evacuate us with plenty of time.
Dr. John Spacer
What? It's coming here?
Dan
Pick a priority, man. Seeing ghosts or stopping the storm? Go ahead. Zoom.
Z Phillips
Okay, heading in. You signed this off for detective.
Officer Gibson
Of course.
Dan
Of course. Just pan us around.
Dr. John Spacer
This is unbelievable.
Z Phillips
So right down there are the tracks.
Dr. John Spacer
Tracks?
Dan
I thought you weren't interested.
Dr. John Spacer
I'm not.
Z Phillips
A little slippery down the hill. Here we go. Can you see this?
Dan
It's dark.
Z Phillips
The sun's not fully up yet, but the first conductor out here called it in. Some kid, maybe 20, Latino, stepped right in front of the train. Obviously the driver couldn't slow down in time, so.
Dan
So the parts you mentioned are literal parts.
Z Phillips
Parts and pieces scattered all over. It's gonna be a hell of a time collecting.
Dan
I can imagine. Officer Gibson was first on the scene.
Z Phillips
That's right.
Dan
Ruled as an accidental death.
Z Phillips
Or someone ending his own life.
Dr. John Spacer
How the hell is this supposed to help me then?
Dan
Everything's give and take, John. That's life. We give a helping hand. Hopefully you can get your spark back. Or admit that there never was one.
Dr. John Spacer
And there we go.
Z Phillips
Alright, so I've got a hand here.
Dr. John Spacer
Jeez.
Z Phillips
Pretty mutilated. I think it's a hand.
Dr. John Spacer
It's a left hand. There's a fingerprint down the smaller joint. So you can tell that the thumb was on the other side.
Dan
What a gift.
Dr. John Spacer
Can you mute us, please? Do you know how crazy it makes me sound to tell someone I don't know that I can see ghosts?
Dan
Technically you can't anymore, right? Unless there's a 20 something Latino male we can't see floating off to the side of the tracks.
Dr. John Spacer
I told you I don't know how it'd work on camera. Even if I still could see them. It's pointless.
Dan
You're quite quick to give up.
Dr. John Spacer
What do you want me to do? Will it back?
Dan
That'd be a start. If it's true.
Dr. John Spacer
It was true.
Dan
Feel better?
Dr. John Spacer
You don't get it. How am I supposed to cope with this? This is the way things worked for me and I just suddenly can't help it. Doesn't work anymore. How the fuck do I move on from that? Uh, guys?
Z Phillips
Are you still muted?
Dan
Sorry about that.
Z Phillips
Everything okay?
Dan
Peachy.
Z Phillips
I got part of the neck. It looks like maybe a tattoo.
Dan
That'll help you I.D. this kid, right?
Z Phillips
Maybe. Dr. John.
Dr. John Spacer
I don't know how to help you, Z. Oh, okay.
Z Phillips
I just thought that maybe you had experience with identifying. Based on tattoos.
Dan
I think it seems like Dr. John never had to learn how to do that.
Dr. John Spacer
Stop it.
Dan
Excuse me. We were mid conversation.
Dr. John Spacer
Be right back.
Dan
Are we in some sort of power struggle with the mouse?
Dr. John Spacer
This isn't funny, Dan.
Dan
I honestly think it's kind of hilarious. Are you actually bad at your job?
Dr. John Spacer
What are you talking about?
Dan
That's it, isn't it? Say for a second that your gift was real. You can talk to the dead. So you can either see them or ask him directly who they are, right?
Dr. John Spacer
Right.
Dan
That's cheating.
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Dan
Most anyone doing your job would need to learn how to ID based on evidence. You don't have to.
Dr. John Spacer
I still learned.
Dan
How did you. When's the last time you had to use it?
Dr. John Spacer
It's been a while.
Dan
So you're rusty. Are we not here to unrust you?
Dr. John Spacer
God.
Alex
Z.
Dr. John Spacer
You can take part of this skin as a sample. Look under a microscope to identify the type of ink used in the tattoo. That'll give us a first start if it was a legitimate tattoo or maybe something made while in prison.
Dan
Did they teach you racial profiling in your studies, too?
Dr. John Spacer
It's not. It's standard testing procedure. Once we know the type of ink, you can try to piece parts of the skin back together to make a clear picture. Then we have an officer ask around the local shops for identification or show it to families, people who reported anyone missing. Piece it back together if you find enough parts. Did you scrape the cow catcher?
Z Phillips
The what?
Dr. John Spacer
The front of the train. The grill. It's called a cow catcher because the old trains used to. Did you scrape it?
Alex
Not yet.
Dr. John Spacer
It's just a good place to look for more skin.
Dan
Look at you, Dr. John.
Dr. John Spacer
Do you know how the guy was hit? Like where?
Z Phillips
Straight on, according to the driver.
Dr. John Spacer
Straight on?
Z Phillips
Yeah, he just kind of stood there or kneeled there in front of the train. Didn't even try to move.
Dr. John Spacer
That's odd.
Dan
Not if he wanted to end his life.
Dr. John Spacer
I mean, statistically, it's weird. People who do this, especially in front of trains, they're usually the kind that throw themselves in front of it. Like it takes a. Like it takes a big burst to actually do it. It's a lot to convince yourself to step in front of one, let alone stand there and not move. Was he injured?
Z Phillips
It's gonna be hard to tell with all his stuff everywhere. So, murder, Accident. I gotta let the coroner know.
Dr. John Spacer
I don't. I don't have an answer. It's just a hunch. I could be wrong.
Dan
So nobody's telling you I killed him?
Dr. John Spacer
No.
Alex
Iris asked me to get you.
Dr. John Spacer
We're working on something. John.
Alex
She's finished looking at the blood sample.
Dr. John Spacer
I'll come when I'm ready.
Dan
Dr. John.
Dr. John Spacer
What?
Dan
Your instincts on this were strong. Maybe you never had anyone else telling you that after all. Except that gut, that brain.
Dr. John Spacer
Shut up, Dan.
Alex
John, wait. Wait up.
Dr. John Spacer
Were you ever going to tell me?
Alex
Iris asked to fill you in?
Dr. John Spacer
Not about the blood test. I know so. Well then we have nothing to talk about.
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Narrator/Announcer
Dr. Lewis, back here. I have great news.
Dr. John Spacer
What do the results say?
Narrator/Announcer
It's remarkable. Truly remarkable.
Dr. John Spacer
You can still see the mutation in my blood, right?
Narrator/Announcer
No, I. Alex, did you not prepare him?
Alex
Good news for Iris isn't the same as good news for you, John.
Dr. John Spacer
You were hoping to see that the mutation is gone.
Narrator/Announcer
And it's absolutely amazing. Look for yourself. Your blood cells look healthy and normal.
Dr. John Spacer
Normal? With no trace of mutation. To my eyes.
Narrator/Announcer
None at all. It's like it never even existed.
Alex
John.
Dr. John Spacer
No.
Alex
John, Sit down.
Dr. John Spacer
You're sure? It's completely gone.
Narrator/Announcer
You're cured, Dr. Spacer. No more seeing ghosts. Ever. As far as I can tell. This is great news. You're our first successful patient. And now we can have our lab work on synthesizing a similar vaccine.
Dr. John Spacer
Do you want some water?
Alex
Maybe we should get the med bay guys. Iris.
Dr. John Spacer
Don't touch me.
Narrator/Announcer
Oh dear. He's turned white.
Alex
John, you look like you're gonna pass out.
Huck
And how do you feel about it? Silly question. I could have guessed by the whole passing out thing. But for real, what's the big deal?
Dr. John Spacer
It's a huge fucking deal.
Huck
Why? No, I'm serious. I can't wait to get my vaccine.
Dr. John Spacer
Really?
Huck
Do you know how annoying it is to see heat signatures on everything? You know those really cheesy looking spy movies where they use like a thermal scope or whatever? Oh, like Call of Duty. You ever play those?
Dr. John Spacer
Just leave me alone.
Huck
Well, it's like that whatever someone touches just glows.
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Red.
Huck
Then orange, yellow, white. And it finally fades. I can't even see the real color of half the things inside just because somebody's been near it. It's super annoying. And I can't wait for it to be gone. I'm guessing that whole being pestered by ghosts thing was similar. Like, aren't they everywhere? No, but still annoying.
Dr. John Spacer
You don't get it. I needed my look.
Huck
If you were doing your job before because you felt like you had to, or you were supposed to, and your power's a burden, then fine, you can do something else. You can live your life however you want now. That's what I want to do.
Dr. John Spacer
It wasn't a burden. It. I. I don't know. I did this because I could talk to them. Bring them closure.
Huck
And why exactly can't you do that now?
Dr. John Spacer
Weren't you paying attention? It's gone.
Huck
Oh, quit sulking. So you can't hear them. So what? They can still see you. You know they Exist. So what's the problem? People die. You do your job and maybe talk out loud a little, and you know you're helping someone. Nothing has to change. Except maybe you have to work harder to find an answer. Now it just sounds like you're scared of change.
Alex
Sorry to interrupt.
Huck
We were just finishing up. I'll leave you two to talk.
Alex
How are you holding up?
Dr. John Spacer
You're gonna die soon.
Alex
Less than nine hours. Does that make you feel better at least? Maybe you hate me a little less. Come with me. I. I want to show you something.
Dr. John Spacer
I'm done with you and your secrets. All I've been doing for weeks now is being blindly led around this place in the dark. Fuck you. Fuck your secrets. Fuck this place.
Alex
Please, John. After this, you never need to talk to me again. Literally. Down the other hole with all the scientists. This is what we're all working for.
Dr. John Spacer
That's. What did Mike call it?
Alex
Crochet?
Dr. John Spacer
It's active.
Alex
It's creating enough storm.
Dr. John Spacer
When?
Alex
Soon.
Dr. John Spacer
Is it what kills you?
Alex
Not according to the timeline. The storm is in a few days. Everyone here will be leaving. It'll be a small blast, very little dissipation, according to the. The team.
Dr. John Spacer
Great. So only a few hundred people will die.
Alex
No one will die. I made Iris promise.
Dr. John Spacer
I'm sure that did a lot of good.
Alex
I'm sorry, John. You wouldn't understand. I'm sorry. I shouldn't have lied.
Dr. John Spacer
How can you be okay with this? Knowing what you know, knowing what the storm did to you? I.
Alex
I don't think I am.
Dr. John Spacer
Why are you showing me?
Alex
Because I think. Sorry, I. I can't stay here. Because I think that it's time for a change. I'll be in the lab with Huck and Eugene tonight. He still doesn't believe me. Heck, he thinks if I'm right in the center of the room, he can keep an eye on me. Huck doesn't need to sleep. I'll see you around, John. It was nice to get to know you.
Dr. John Spacer
Are you. I don't know. Ready?
Alex
As I'll ever be, I guess.
Dr. John Spacer
Would Dr. Lewis care if I came to the lab tonight, too? Even though I can't.
Alex
You know, she's busy with the vaccine team.
Dr. John Spacer
Alex, if something happens to you. Definitely will. Well, when? Just stick around, okay?
Alex
What do you mean?
Dr. John Spacer
After you die, even though I can't see you, you'll still be a ghost. I know you can't talk to me, but I can still figure out who killed you.
Alex
I believe you.
Dr. John Spacer
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There are names that echo in the world of true crime. Names that carry unanswered questions. Oakley Carlson, A five year old girl who deserved safety, protection and love. Yet the system built to protect her failed and Oakley disappeared. Her community still calls her name.
Dr. John Spacer
Or Ellen Greenberg, found in her locked apartment with 20 stab wounds, a case declared a suicide. But how does a locked apartment tell two different stories at once?
Narrator/Announcer
These are not just cases we have covered. They are people. They were loved and they mattered.
Dr. John Spacer
Their stories deserve to be told with care, with depth, with truth.
Narrator/Announcer
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Dr. John Spacer
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We are the husband and wife duo behind Crime Salad.
Officer Gibson
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Dr. John Spacer
Missing, the silence, the misunderstood.
Officer Gibson
We ask the questions that were left behind. We refuse to let these stories be.
Narrator/Announcer
Forgotten, because behind every case is a family holding on, a community seeking answers, and a story that deserves to be heard.
Officer Gibson
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Original Air Date: November 19, 2025
Podcast by: Audiohm Media
In "When Worlds Collide," Springfield's bodies are stacking up, raising questions and tension. Forensic pathologist Dr. Jonathan Spacer, cursed and gifted with the ability to talk to the dead, discovers his powers are gone after being dosed with a mysterious serum. As he grapples with the loss of his identity and expertise, a new case and increasing pressure from colleagues push John to find new ways to solve murders—and find himself—without the one ability that's always set him apart.
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Dan’s Challenge:
Huck’s Perspective:
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This episode explores what happens when an extraordinary individual loses their most defining trait. "When Worlds Collide" presses Dr. John Spacer to question not just how he solves crimes, but who he is at his core, as an impending disaster and broken trust threaten the lives, souls, and very existence of everyone in Springfield.