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The Job of A Medium - Conversations With the Other Side
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I can teach just about anybody to do mediumship. As long as they have their pineal gland and their pituitary gland, you won't get the lottery numbers. That's not included.
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People, I'm sure, ask you for lottery.
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Numbers all the time. They say, I'll pay you 10% if you give me the lottery numbers or I'll split it with you. I'm like, doesn't work that way.
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Welcome back to How Much Can I Make? I'm your host, Mehra Vozeri. Today I'm talking with Pam Meredith, a medium who spends her days doing something most of us only see in the movies. Communicating with the other side. Yes. We'll talk about what her job is really like, how she discovered her gift and the ways it impacts everyday life. So whether you're curious, open minded, skeptic, or just love a good story, Pam's world is one you'll definitely want to step into. So let's get right into it. First of all, Pam, thanks a lot. I know when you told me that you were a medium, I jumped. I said, I have to interview you. So thanks a lot for sharing your time.
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Thank you.
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Okay, so what exactly is it? What do you do?
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So basically, I alter my state of consciousness to blend with the consciousness of a friend or family member or whoever I'm sitting with who's passed away. And so the continuation of consciousness after death is there intact. And so I try to blend with that to give information and evidence to the person of their loved one. And that's the shortest version.
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When did you discover that you have that power?
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I really like that you said power because it's really just a birthright. And a lot of people want to walk around saying like, oh, I'm gifted or something like that, but actually it's a function of your pituitary gland and your pineal gland and your brain. And so literally, I can teach just about anybody to do mediumship as long as they have their pineal gland and their pituitary gland. So it's open to everybody to use. It's just another sense. Just like a lot of people in the east believe in the third eye, the sixth sense. So we all have six, seven, eight senses that were some were not using.
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But there must have been a point where you realized, wow, I can tap into it.
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Right? So you could tap into it at any point. Like you could find someone really maybe born doing that, or you could find someone later in life. But what happened to me was, was really interesting. I wasn't looking for Mediumship. I was working as an occupational therapist. I was under hypnosis. And when I was under hypnosis, I started seeing the deceased people of the therapist. I saw his father in law, who shot himself.
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You knew nothing about his life?
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I had. I. No, I didn't know anything about his life or his family.
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So it came to you as images?
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Images, yeah. That was the first thing that I had, was the clairvoyance. And so as I started to tell the therapist, I have this, I. He would say, like, what are you seeing? What are you aware of? And I was saying, well, I'm aware of this man and he has a shotgun and he looks like this. So I saw his uncle, his nephew, his father in law, his mother in law, as I recall, I saw four people. And then he brought me out of the hypnosis and he said, I don't know what to say because you're talking to my deceased family. And about my deceased family. I was like, what? Because I was, you know, not expecting that. And then he actually referred me to Janet Nohavik in Pompton Lakes, New Jersey. I went to work with her for mediumship training just to figure out what's going on, what do I do? Because I really couldn't work with the hypnotherapist anymore without seeing deceased people.
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That was the first time it happened to you, right? Did it shock you?
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Yes, yes. So I went to classes with Janet, and she's very well known, actually medium, and she brought a lot of the British mediums over from England. But when I first went, it was funny because, like you're saying, I didn't have a clue. And I was sitting in these classes going like, what? Huh? No.
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So she teaches you how to tap into it.
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Yeah. So, you know what was really lucky for me was when I went to that class, I wasn't really knowing what I was doing, but she could see that there were people in spirit with me. And so she called on me to do the mediumship in the class, which was really funny because I was like brand new and didn't know what I was doing. And that happened to me in my 40th year of life. An astrologer I had when I was 35 told me, in the 40th year of your life, you're going to have a big psychic opening. I was like, no, I don't want to do that. And then it happened. So when I went to work with Janet, she said, I want you to come into my advanced medium training. And that was in February of 21. But I went to work with her in training. And then 911 happened. I hadn't been training very long at all and really was very, very inexperienced. It takes years to develop as a medium. And people who sort of want to, you know, take six weeks class and put their shingle out, it doesn't work that way. However, what happened on 911 was my friend lost her brother in the towers. He was in Cantor Fitzgerald. And so when it happened, we knew right away how bad it was. And I want to say two weeks after 9 11, she was asking me, can you please talk to my brother? And I was saying, no. I mean, I'm new. I don't know what I'm doing. She begged me, and I said, all right, I'll do it. Don't expect, you know, the world. So I did the mediumship for her. She taught me a huge lesson, beginner's lesson. At the end of the thing, she said, well, that exactly sounds like my brother, but I don't feel any better. And so the best lesson there was to understand that people grieving, they may not thank you. They may not feel better. Some people really do feel better, but that was a horrific time period. So she was very devastated. After that, she went to her bereavement group and gave my name to everybody in the bereavement group.
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Oh.
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So then all of the next year, I just had steady stream of 9 11. So it was very strange beginning.
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And then it became your job.
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And then it became my job.
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What is the difference between a psychic and a medium?
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When you're psychic, you can be connecting to friends, family, guides, healers, helpers, all those energies that are there for our guidance. But it's not focused on getting the evidence. This is your grandmother or this is your brother. It's really focused on the person's life. And so we're looking psychic at future. We're looking at current problems. So we're looking at, you know, life issues. So it's friends, family, children, jobs, careers, relationships. So it's a little different because we're not going into the mediumship cycle. And in fact, in terms of how you're functioning and using your brain, they're kind of different. So I could be looking at a person's chakras, their aura, their karma, like the karma in this lifetime, past life karma, all of that could come into a psychic reading. Medium is specifically connecting to friend or family member of the person you're sitting with who's passed away. And it feels very different than psychic. It's a heavier energy and it's a different sort of level of consciousness. So you can tell when you're doing something psychic and when you're doing something mediumistic. All mediums are psychic. Not all psychics are mediums.
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Right. So when you connect with the spirit, is it a physical reaction? Do you feel anything?
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You do, you do. And, and so you can feel their personality. If they're really up to beat, or if they're like tough and not gonna give you an inch or whatever. You can totally sense personality, the quietness or gentleness or love. You can have all those sort of experience of emotion, their way of thinking, the intellect, you can totally sense that. But physically, which I really think is fun, is you can feel their physical presence. So if I have somebody come very close through my heart center, I can feel, oh, this guy's six foot six and loved basketball or whatever, you know, you can really have a sense the feeling of the physicality of the person. So right now, people who are deceased are in light body. They're an energetic form. That's their consciousness you're connecting to, but they can project through you your body, their body image and all of that. I can also feel within my physical body how they've passed. If it feels sudden, if it feels like a long struggle with Alzheimer's or cancer, any of the physical conditions, you can have an awareness of what, what is going on with the person. Now I'm going to say that because there's somebody going to go, oh my God, that sounds so scary. They don't give you pain and suffering as you feel their passing.
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Right.
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But you have awareness of what's happening to them.
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So can you connect? If somebody died 30 years ago, can you still connect to them?
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Sure, yeah. I'm trying to think how far back I've gone. But for sure, 30 years, maybe for sure more than 30 years.
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Did it change your perspective about life and death once you started doing it?
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Completely, completely. Because I came to realize that this world that we see, this three dimensional world, is not all there is. And so when we operate in this world, we all get caught up in our day to day, like, oh my God, you know, where'd I put my keys and I'm late for work. But there's so much way, way, way, way beyond what we see. So of course it changed my whole life.
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You have to be like a meditator in order to connect to these people. You have to be a spiritual. Before you said everybody can tap into it.
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As long as you can learn to Tap into it. You can learn to alter your state of consciousness. Essentially. Remember I said to you two glands in the brain, they're like your antennas, you know, so you're picking up your signals. And then in terms of how do you take those signals and process them into information and then give them out like the radio does when you're. We're processing the information, it's a shift in consciousness and then you're working essentially consciousness to consciousness. So everybody knows, like if you alter your state of consciousness, like let's say a daydream, you have an awareness that you've altered your consciousness, that you're sort of gazing off into some kind of space and you're not really completely here, but you're here. So that's like a very beginning alteration of your state of consciousness. So the cycles per second in your brain when you're speaking like you and I are right now in this reality, we're in beta. And then you're going to learn to drop your consciousness through to alpha theta. You're essentially learning self hypnosis. Psychologists, hypnotherapists all know that you can alter your state of consciousness. You know, they get rid of smoking or different things people use for hypnosis. And you're using literally almost the same process to move your consciousness to what I'll call a dream awake state. So you're in a dream awake state. You've moved towards the cycles per second in your brain that you have for sleeping. You're close to sleeping, but you have to stay awake or else you can't talk to yourself.
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That's very difficult with that stage to stay. I remember I read the book Silver Mind Control and he talks about that.
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Yes.
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And it's very, very. I feel like I'm falling just before I fall asleep. And then it's so hard to control and keep on talking to your subconscious.
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Yes, there's a fine line between, you know, falling asleep and not making any sense and then being able to be in that little window. There's a. There's a very fine line, you know, back in the day, because nobody young remembers this, but there used to be like a dial on a radio, you know, you had to have exactly 98.9. And if you had 98.7, you just hear static.
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Right.
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So altering your consciousness to the right frequency for the person that you're talking to is very small. Like you have to get in that slim number of altering your consciousness in order to receive the information. Otherwise you might hear something and then static. Hear Something and then static.
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So in every reading, you dial to a different kind of number to tap in into.
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Well, there's not really a number.
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No, I know. I mean, it just. Yeah, right. But you dial into that wave or whatever.
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Yes, exactly. You're going into their frequency, you're going into their wavelength, and you're going into the wavelength of the person's consciousness and spirit, and they're altering theirs. So this dimension is very, very slow, and their dimension is very, very fast. And there's lots of pictures where people have captured spirit moving. It's like a speed of light.
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What does a reading with you will be like?
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You know, I will always explain to somebody if they haven't had a reading that I use clairvoyance, clairaudience, clairsentience, claircognizance. I use all my intuitive senses and so I. And hear things. I'll tell you exactly what I'm getting. And then once I give you enough evidence, you go, oh, yes, that's my grandmother on my mom's side. Then I'm going to talk to that person, ask them for messages or information for you. And then there will be a period of time at the end, like if you want to ask questions.
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Did it happen to you that somebody came to you and you were not able to connect with a deceased relative?
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There has been, on occasion, people where I can't connect.
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What do you think stops that?
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There's. There's always like a group chat, right? There's me, there's the communicator, who in consciousness, and then there's my sitter. And so if any one of us is really off that day, you. You can have it sort of fall apart. You could have a communicator who's very quiet, who's not really wanting to come online. You know, your sitter could be, you know, deep in grief and not understanding the process, or I could be like, oh, I didn't get enough sleep last night.
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Do you have one reading that stuck with you that I do.
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I have so many readings. Well, there's so many that have stuck with me that are really, you know, profound or poignant. So one reading I have that I like to tell my students is that when a person that the sitter that you're sitting with, you know, the alive person says no to you, that you have to kind of not let that deter you from what you're understanding. So the best. Oh, this is so fun. I had this man and in spirit, and I was talking to his alive wife. She was very Devastated about the loss. I said to her towards the end, you know, she knew I had her husband there. I'd given the evidence of him. But then I said to her, he's telling you that you have to go get this card that he, like, hand wrote for you. And she says to me, nope, I don't have a handwritten card. And I said, okay, hang on a second. And I said to him, she says she doesn't have it.
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Do you say that out loud? Nope. Okay.
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So I say that my consciousness to him. And he said, yes, she does. It's very important. She has to go look for it. So I said, he said, you have it and you have to go look over it. She goes, I have no idea what you're talking about. I said, okay, hang on. And he said, you better tell me where it is and what it is, because she says she has no idea. So he said, tell her to go upstairs to her bedroom to the dresser on the left side and open that drawer and it's there. So she does it and she rummages for a minute and she pulls the card out and she started to cry. She said, oh, my God, I forgot about this. And the card she read to me, I cried because it was so beautiful. And it was a love note from him. And he said, like, no matter whatever happens, I'll always love you and I'll always be with you. And I was like, oh, my God, know. So we're all crying, and then I asked her if she would take a photo of it and send it to me. And so I keep that to remind me, like, this is real. This is. Here's the evidence right here. And my teacher, Janet Havoc, and the teachers that I worked with through Arthur Findlay College of Mediumship in England, they're very strict about, like, you have to have evidence. You can't just say, I have your husband here or whatever. You have to have the evidence of that person. So that's one story I love, because the person can be saying no, and yet the person in spirit completely knows. I did have a lady really come to me about relationship, and she wanted to know about her. Her current partner, and she wanted to marry that person. I said to her, no, that one. That one's not going to work out. And she was very mad at me. She was like, what? You don't know what you're talking about. And I said, I really don't. I'm just telling you what your mom is saying. Like, I really don't know. Don't tell everybody don't call me for relationship advice. You're going to get it from your mother or your grand mother in any case. They said, yes, you know, that's not going to work out. And then I said, the next one you meet is also not going to work out. It is going to only last four or five months. And then I said, but the third one is going to be the one. She says that you're going to know him and you're going to know right away that that's the one. So she was very angry and she, you know, was cursing me out. She left the office and I'm like, okay. She came back one year later with her fiance and she said, this is my fiance. Do you remember me? I said, no. And she said, you told me the first one didn't work out. And she said, that's true. It ended about three months later. And then she, you said the second one wasn't going to work out. And she said that lasted about four months. And then she said she was very angry at me. She was at home and she'd stopped dating and she was just frustrated. Her daughter had something that she wanted to hang in her room or something. She called for a person to come and fix the, the furniture thing. The guy comes to the door and she looks at him and she goes like, this is a made up name. Okay, Jonathan. Oh my God, I remember you. And he says, oh yeah, we went to high school together. Oh my God. And she said, yeah. She said, well, come in, I'll show you the job, whatever. And she said they spent the whole afternoon together and then when he left, she said, oh, that's the one. So she came back a year later introducing him. They were engaged when they, when she finally came back. Yeah.
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Does it happen to you that a spirit tells you something and you choose not to say it?
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Yes. And I've had like lots of discussions with people about this because students will say, well, I believe a spirit told it to me. I should say it because that's what they've given me. There's really good proficient mediums that that'll say, nope, I just give exactly what I get. And I don't because I have had people. I Learned that in 9, 11. Like I've had people say to me, did my husband get stabbed by the terrorists or perish on the plane when it crashed? And I'm like, that is not something anybody needs to think about. Or, you know what I mean? Like everybody's going to think about it, but we don't want to put thoughts in people's heads that are horrific. So I always tell my students, your first job is do no harm. My feeling is you should not ever re. Traumatize somebody. So if I see a passing that is very difficult to talk about, I'll say it's sudden, it's traumatic. They're at peace now. But it was horrific for the family, and that's all they need to know.
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So how does it work? There are billions of spirits out there. According to what you say, everybody that died. The spirits.
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Yeah. Many, many, many.
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How can you tap into this one spirit? Because you. In the presence of a relative because.
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Your people are with you. So you have friends and family and spirit that are around you and they're helping you, they're guiding you, they're giving you inspiration. Yeah. They're talking consciousness. Consciousness with you, whether you are aware of it or not. And so when I sit down with you, your family start coming around. They're here. And as soon as it is a challenge, you know, because as a medium, you really have to control your space. Because if I go to a barbecue or whatever, a gathering, and somebody starts talking, oh, you're a medium. Tell me about it. I'm like, oh, can we talk about that later? Because if I start talking to someone about the process and about the dimension of time and space, then your people will come in.
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Wow.
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Yeah, I'll just start automatically shifting into it. Everybody really would benefit by having conversations with their own guides, healers, helpers, friends, family on the other side, because they know a lot. They know the future because time and space isn't linear. So we. Our construct of time here is very limited, but over there, it's like past, present, future sort of coexisting. And they can tell us a lot of good advice.
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Like fortune teller. You're telling them what's going to happen.
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Yeah, you can. Absolutely. Yeah.
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Oh, my. So, okay.
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Now you're flustered.
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Yeah. So you work out of an office, people come to you.
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Yeah.
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How much does it cost for a reading? Does it vary or is it something. You have a set price?
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Yeah, I'd have like a half price for a half hour and a price for an hour.
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And can I come to you and just ask you to tell me about the future?
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Sure.
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How much does it cost? I want to do that.
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I want to do that. Well, for me or for. Generally for you.
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Let's.
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For example, so for me, like 220 for an hour and 125 for half.
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An hour, what is the highest price you heard? I remember Nancy Reagan had her medium.
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Yeah, yeah. Some people are charging a lot money, like a lot, like a thousand dollars an hour. So some of those people that are charging, maybe even more than that are what I would call celebrity mediums. What you want to make sure is that you have recommendations from people that you have good word of mouth referrals, good reviews, because there's people that have gone and been conned.
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Yes.
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So you want to make sure somebody has a legitimate reputation that they're coming from a spiritual place, that they're, you know, there's evidence that the person has practicing for a long time. Like, I wouldn't go necessarily for someone who's just been in training two years, you know, people really need solid, you know, five, ten years of training.
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Right. And some track record.
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And a track record. So referrals, I think, are the best people can say, like, oh, you know, yes, she got the people I was looking for or gave me good advice or what she said came to pass.
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What was the reaction of your friends and family when they learned you were a medium? Well, they didn't believe you, right?
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Yeah, some people don't believe. Some people are like rolling the rise. I mean, I think what I did was I kept it on the down low for a while. I was on the down low. I wasn't out. And, you know, coming out as a medium was not as acceptable as it is today. Like, everybody's saying, I'm a medium now. There's all over the insta.
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How long ago did you kind of come out?
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How long did it take me? So I was 40 when I started training. I continued training for like at least 10 years. And I was working at the Journey within and became a spiritualist minister in the spiritualist tradition.
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Okay.
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So I was doing a lot, but I wasn't really advertising or talking to people about it. By 10 years, I was just, I was working full time at it. I couldn't hide it. You know, I was really immersed in the whole scene. I did my. I did the Eat, Pray, Love Journey and I. And I went to India and I was studying yoga and the Eastern philosophies and studied Shambhala Buddhism and a whole, you know, a whole journey.
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So people come to you and ask you to get in contact with a specific entity or just whatever you can.
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When someone comes to me, I ask them not to say anything about who they're looking for or any names or some people come in with photos. I won't look at them because it's all evidence if you came in and you sat down and I say, oh, you want to do mediumship? You said, yes, Then I'm just going to go in the quiet. I'm going to look for the first person that comes through. I always, you know, have an intention and a blessing to bring in someone helpful and healing for you, or if there was someone you didn't want to hear from, somebody who was nasty or abusive or something. I'm only bringing through energies that are helpful and healing to you.
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Do people also ask you to tell the spirit something? That.
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Yes, they do. But just FYI, you can do that for free. They hear you all the time. They don't. You don't have to pay me. You can just tell them I'm sorry or I love you. And they hear you. They really hear you. What's fun is to start to hear them back. You can just literally sit in the quiet. Your tools of divination can be whatever you want. You can have a candle, you can have nothing. You can sit, you know, outside with the birds. Just as long as you feel calm and quiet within yourself. And so those. For those people, especially listening that say, well, I'm not ever going to do that as a job, but I'd like to hear from my mom or my sister or whoever. Just sit in the quiet. It has to be quiet because you need to listen. And you're not going to necessarily hear a sound outside yourself. You could just literally hear it within your own inner ear. Weird. So sit and use your imagination. Imagine mom is here or whoever you're looking for. And then just sit, listen, feel, try to engage with the person and ask them also to leave you a sign. You know, they'll. They do all kinds of signs and.
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Signals, like what kind of sign some spirit would live.
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You know, one of the first things I start with, people who just want to have their own personal communication they're not looking to become a medium, is to sit with your hands and your lap, either palm up or palm down, doesn't matter. And ask them to touch one of your hands so you have something to compare it to. So you can. If one hand starts to feel cold or one hand starts to feel hot, or one hand start to feel like a tickling or anything that you feel in one hand and you don't feel on the other, that's your person trying to say, I'm here. You could also. What I really love doing is I ask my mom every morning to drop a song into my awareness. And so you're gonna say to Yourself, you're sitting there, you're waiting, blah, blah, blah, and nothing's happening. And then you get up and you can find yourself humming a song. And you're like, oh, where did that come from? I haven't thought of that song in a million years. Or I've had my mother drop a song into my head that I didn't even know the song.
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What?
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And you heard the song, the name of the song. And then I went in a computer and looked it up. There's so many beautiful words to songs that can be messages for you from your loved one.
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Do you do readings for your own family, like your grandmother, grandfather, or do you connect with them?
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Yeah, so I have. I have some family on the other side that work with me. And then I have other guides, healers and helpers that work with me in terms of like doing a reading per se. Let's say I was going to do a reading for my sister.
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Okay.
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I can't really bring evidence to her that this is mom or this is my, you know, dad or whoever I'm bringing through because we know everything about that person. So I tend to tell my sister to go to a fellow medium that doesn't know her.
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B
When it happens, when you connect with this, does it drain your energy?
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Yeah, I mean, you have to work at that. You know, you have to build, like, look, you don't go run the New York City Marathon tomorrow. You have to build it up. And so you build up that energy, that power, that ability to control the communication and to release it. And.
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And how do you protect your own energy? So when it's done, you still have energy to do other things.
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Sometimes it actually just gives me energy because it's so uplifting and enlightening. And, you know, you forget about your own troubles when you hear all this information from the other side.
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Have you ever seen the spirit?
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Yes.
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You have?
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Yeah.
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And you knew to recognize it as a spirit when you saw it? It.
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A
Yes.
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B
What does it look like?
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A
I mean, there's two different things that you're talking about. Like, you can see people in light body. Right. Where you might see like on a. People have ring cameras and they'll catch this ball of light shooting across the frame of the camera. And so it could just look like a ball of white light. I've seen actually someone videotaping someone's passing and literally see the white light emerge from the mouth of person transition.
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B
So the reality in the form of light.
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A
Yeah, you can really see it as a ball of bright white light. Have I seen people materialize a couple times where you can they send like a, I'll call it like it looks like a hologram because it could be completely just like I see you sitting there. The person could manifest that way to show you it's me and you describe.
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B
It to the client.
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A
Yeah, but I was saying to you something, you know about our dimension of time and space. It's very slow and that that dimension where you see the light can travel really fast. It's a dimension of time and space that's not linear and it's very, very fast. So for them to come to us, they have to slow down and we have to speed up.
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B
Okay, so what's the biggest challenge and the biggest reward of that job?
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A
The biggest challenge? The biggest challenge is it's patience. It takes you a long time to learn this. And if people say they'd been practicing one year and they know everything, then they're not the best, you know, because it really does take years of practice developing that capacity to alter your state of consciousness, you know, on command, kind of. So that is the biggest challenge is really learning to control your thoughts, control your mind, controlling your consciousness. Because if, if you're thinking your thoughts, you are not going to be able to receive from spirit. You have to quiet your mind.
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B
Are you able to quiet your mind so no thoughts are in your mind and you totally open to receive any kind of, of information.
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A
I don't think any human being can completely calm their mind. Like zero thoughts. You know, in terms of meditation training, they'll tell you that, that your thoughts are like thousands per second. So there's sort of what I want to say, the capacity to move your cycles per second in your brain to a slower frequency. So that there is, it is slower and lower, get into that theta state or even alpha, which is where most people are doing their reading. You know, the aspect of the thoughts interfering, can be slower.
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B
We never said what is the reward.
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A
I mean, the reward is so immense. I think once you open like the evidence and you have the evidence in front of you, how can you ever look at life the same again? You cannot. Everything is seen. So you have a tremendous awareness of your responsibility for your own actions, which a lot of people don't seem to have these days. You know, it's mind altering, it's heart altering. You know, when you, when you start to understand that what we have here, what you see here is a tip of the iceberg and there's many dimensions of existence, many. And you know what scientists know that and when you listen to, you know, astrophysicists and quantum physicists, they know there's other dimensions. I mean, Neil Degrasse Tyson, who I feel like sort of speaks to the average person as best they can as astrophysicist, he explains, there's many different dimensions. And so it's just that we don't have capacity to imagine what they all are.
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B
If people want to go to a medium services, how can they know if it's authentic?
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A
Look for their training. Ask them who they trained with, who they studied with, how long they trained and how many references do they have. You know, I've seen people online that have like three reviews.
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B
That's not enough.
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A
That's not enough. I'm not really out there a lot on Instagram or Facebook book.
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B
Why?
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A
I'm. I'm just old school, I guess. I'm a word of mouth person. So Covid changed everything because I never did readings on zoom before.
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B
COVID is it more difficult for you to connect to the entity via Zoom to. No, it makes no difference.
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A
Makes no difference because they're in light body and they come and sit with me.
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B
So you could also do it on the phone?
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A
Yeah.
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B
Amazing.
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A
Okay.
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B
Well, thank you you so much.
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A
You won't get the lottery numbers. That's not included.
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B
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a good question.
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A
No, lottery numbers.
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B
People, I'm sure, ask you for lottery.
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A
Numbers all the time. They say, I'll pay you 10% if you give me the lottery numbers or I'll split it with you. I'm like, doesn't work that way.
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B
Can you get the lottery numbers for yourself? No, no, because there's no entity that isn't that. It's part of it. Right?
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A
Yeah, it lacks it, you know, Know that's not what this is about. Right. Like, this is really about higher consciousness. And so if your, your consciousness is like, oh, I just want the money, that's a lower consciousness. You know, you're sort of shooting yourself in the foot there.
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B
I'm glad you, you said that because I'm sure people would think, what about the lottery?
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A
Yeah. And also, don't go to your medium and say, what's our code word? You know, people come in with code words with their person who's passed. Like, I'll know it's you. And you tell me, you know, when you say I'll. And I'm like, don't, don't ask for a code because it's very difficult. You might get it, but it'd be.
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B
Very difficult there's a whole new world. Thank you so much.
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A
Yeah, thank you. Really fun.
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B
And that's our chat with Medium. Pam. Meredith. Pretty wild, if you ask me. If you like this episode, please follow us, leave a review or share it with friends who love a good story. Until next time, stay open, stay curious, because the end scene might be closer than you think.