Ep. 398: Timeless Design Tips with Liz Williams

Summary

Podcast Summary: Ep. 398 - Timeless Design Tips with Liz Williams

Host: Caroline, Taryn, and special guest Liz Williams
Release Date: January 28, 2025
Podcast Title: How to Decorate by Ballard Designs

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Introduction to Liz Williams

In this episode of How to Decorate, the Ballard Designs team welcomes Liz Williams, an esteemed Atlanta-based interior designer and founder of Liz Williams Interiors. Liz shares her journey from studying historic architecture at the College of Charleston to establishing her own firm in 1998 after five formative years at Carter K Interiors.

Notable Quote:

"I've learned so much about attention to detail from her, so I think that sort of transcends all the styles."
— Liz Williams [01:57]

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Evolution of Interior Design Over the Last 20 Years

Liz Williams reflects on the significant changes in interior design over the past two decades. She highlights the shift from predominantly brown furniture to lighter, painted patinas favored by younger clients. The discussion underscores the cyclical nature of design trends, noting the resurgence of brown furniture as clients seek timeless and practical solutions.

Notable Quotes:

"We do a lot of that, especially younger clients want the lighter, brighter feel."
— Liz Williams [03:39]

"I think the brown is back, and I didn't get rid of any of mine, so a lot of clients didn't either."
— Liz Williams [04:39]

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Timeless Pieces and the Use of Antiques

Liz emphasizes the importance of integrating antiques and timeless pieces into modern designs. Her portfolio showcases a blend of traditional elements with contemporary accents, allowing spaces to feel both classic and fresh. She advocates for pairing antique furniture with modern art or sculptural pieces to maintain a harmonious balance.

Notable Quote:

"We kept the traditional roots, but we're always trying to tweak it and make it more modern."
— Liz Williams [04:06]

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Color Trends: Past and Present

A significant portion of the conversation centers around color trends. Liz discusses the decline of brown furniture in the last 10-15 years and its recent comeback. She delves into the popularization of colors like sage green, earthy tones, and the nuanced reintroduction of reds and pinks in subtle forms. The hosts explore how designers can incorporate trendy colors without overwhelming a space, suggesting the use of accent pieces and layered color palettes.

Notable Quotes:

"It's a little bit more sage. It's a little bit more earthy kind of green."
— Liz Williams [06:56]

"I love that color. I think it's far removed from that trend and totally came around the same thing, but kind of different in execution."
— Liz Williams on mocha mousse [28:08]

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Incorporating Trends Without Compromising Timelessness

Liz provides insights on balancing trendy elements with timeless design. She advises incorporating current trends in smaller doses—such as through pillows, rugs, or art—to ensure longevity and ease of updates. The discussion includes practical strategies for integrating features like shiplap or moody green kitchens in a way that feels enduring rather than fleeting.

Notable Quotes:

"If you look at the whole room and have something that's not going to take over the entire space, it's better."
— Liz Williams [09:16]

"Maybe do something with the shiplap that's a little bit different."
— Liz Williams [10:04]

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Refreshing Spaces: Small Updates vs. Major Overhauls

The hosts explore the benefits of making incremental updates to home decor rather than undertaking complete makeovers. Liz emphasizes the importance of starting with solid foundations and refreshing elements like curtains, pillows, or rugs to keep spaces feeling current without the stress of large-scale changes.

Notable Quote:

"If you start with good bones, you may not need a complete overhaul."
— Liz Williams [14:10]

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Show Houses and Collaborative Design Challenges

Liz shares her experiences working on show houses, particularly the challenges of maintaining cohesion among different designers’ contributions. She highlights the importance of communication and the creative opportunities that arise when designers experiment with diverse styles within a unified framework.

Notable Quotes:

"It's always fun to see what everybody comes up with and who is using the same colors."
— Liz Williams [40:22]

"Try to come up with new and different ways to do what we always do so that people can see it."
— Liz Williams [39:55]

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Listener Question: Dressing Bay Windows

Towards the end of the episode, the hosts address a listener’s dilemma about dressing bay windows in different rooms of a townhouse. Liz offers practical solutions, recommending full drapery panels mounted on ceiling tracks to accommodate the angles of bay windows. She suggests using blackout curtains with heavy linings for bedrooms to address privacy and sound absorption needs, while advising against using Roman shades due to limitations with soffit space.

Notable Quotes:

"If you like panels, I think that's the way to go."
— Liz Williams [43:27]

"Blackout curtains with a heavy-duty fabric really help with sound and privacy."
— Liz Williams [45:11]

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Conclusion and Where to Find Liz Williams

The episode wraps up with Liz sharing her contact information and upcoming projects. She encourages listeners to visit her website, follow her on Instagram, and look out for her feature in Southern Home magazine. The hosts express their gratitude for Liz’s insights and participation.

Notable Quote:

"Our website is lizwilliamsinteriors.com and Instagram is at Liz Williams Interiors."
— Liz Williams [48:01]

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Key Takeaways

• Blend Tradition with Modernity: Integrating antiques with contemporary pieces creates timeless and polished spaces.
• Embrace Color Thoughtfully: Use trendy colors in small doses to maintain flexibility and longevity in design.
• Incremental Updates: Refreshing elements like textiles can keep a home feeling current without major renovations.
• Customized Solutions: For unique architectural features like bay windows, custom drapery solutions ensure functionality and aesthetics.
• Collaborative Creativity: Show houses offer designers the opportunity to experiment while maintaining overall cohesion.

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Additional Resources

• Liz Williams Interiors
  • Website: lizwilliamsinteriors.com
  • Instagram: @LizWilliamsInteriors
• Upcoming Features:
  • Southern Home Magazine, March Issue
  • Show House Projects Spring Season

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By delving into the practical and aesthetic aspects of interior design, Liz Williams provides valuable insights for homeowners and aspiring decorators alike. This episode serves as a comprehensive guide to achieving timeless elegance while embracing contemporary trends.

Transcript

[Caroline]

Welcome to how to Decorate from Ballard Designs, a weekly podcast all about the trials and triumphs of decorating and redecorating your home. I'm Caroline, I'm on the marketing team.

[Taryn]

And I'm Taryn and I'm a product designer.

[Liz]

I'm Liz. I head of the creative team. We're your hosts.

[Caroline]

Join the expert team at Ballard Designs for tips, tricks and tales from interior designers, stylists and other talents in the design world.

[Taryn]

Plus, we'll answer your decorating dilemmas at the end of each episode.

[Liz]

We love answering your questions, so don't forget to email [e-mail] now on with the show.

[Caroline]

We're delighted to welcome designer Liz Williams to the show. She's an accomplished Atlanta based interior designer and the founder of Liz Williams Interiors. She started her career at Carter K Interiors that established her own firm in 1998. Liz's work is timeless, polished, and can be found all over the Southeast. Liz, welcome to the show.

[Liz Williams]

Thank you. Thanks for having me.

[Caroline]

Liz Williams, not Liz Anderson, but I also. So we've got two Liz's. Yes, and Taryn and me, of course. So, but okay, so we're going to talk about how design has changed in the last 20 years, but we're also going to talk a little bit maybe towards the end about like, what do we see going forward into 2025? So how did you get into interior design? How did you get into the business?

[Liz Williams]

Well, when I was at the College of Charleston, I kind of fell in love with design and they didn't have a program, so I decided history, historic architecture. So I kind of went that route. And then I moved back to Atlanta and from here and decided to go to design school. And during that time I worked for Carter K Interiors and started as an intern and then worked my way up and was there for five years. So she was a great mentor. And then when I had my first child, I decided I needed to take the leap though. Yeah.

[Caroline]

So how would you say her sort of mentoring you informed your style? Do you feel like your styles were similar? Were they different?

[Liz Williams]

It's similar in some ways, but she's a little more contemporary and I've learned so much about attention to detail from her, so I think that sort of transcends all the styles, you know, the just really going for custom everything. And so, yeah, I think that that helped a lot. But I think we're a little different in our styles because you, you know.

[Caroline]

Looking at your portfolio like there's so many antiques, lots of Patina, I would say. I mean, I. I said in the introduction, timeless, polished, and with sort of a southern flair. So was that kind of just something that you had inherent in you since her style was more contemporary?

[Liz Williams]

I think so. I grew up with antiques and more traditional house and that sort of thing, and. But I feel like working for her, it kind of helped me think outside of that. And so, like, you can pair this beautiful antique chest with a contemporary piece of art or a sculptural lamp that's not a ginger jar or whatever, you know, that's that sort of thing. So I feel like we kept the traditional roots, but we're always kind of trying to keep. Figure out how to tweak it and make it more modern.

[Caroline]

Yeah. When, you know, using timeless pieces, antiques and everything, do you feel like what you draw, what you've been drawn to as far as an antique? Has that changed in the last 20 years, or would you say you kind of have, like, a thing that you like, you know, English or French or.

[Liz Williams]

I tend. I mean, I like English, but I tend probably maybe more French and some Swedish painted. I feel like, as a lot of people wanted to get away from brown furniture, which I still love brown furniture, but that's a great alternative to have the painted patina and feel, but not if you don't like the brown furniture. So we do a lot of that, especially younger clients want the lighter, brighter feel.

[Taryn]

The takeaway, I was going to say to transition from all the brown to more of the. Do you know when that was? Like, when you watched it disappear or the brown?

[Liz Williams]

Um, I would say maybe in the last 10, 15 years.

[Taryn]

Yeah. All of a sudden it was just.

[Liz Williams]

Like, okay, everyone either wanted the Swedish or just definitely more like white lacquer or something that's, you know, more contemporary.

[Caroline]

Are you. Are you happy the brown is back?

[Liz Williams]

Yes, yes, very. And I didn't get rid of any of mine, so. And a lot of clients didn't either, so.

[Caroline]

Good.

[Liz Williams]

Fun to work with. Don't follow every trend. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Taryn]

Well, I was gonna say, I'm sure you've lived in your. Even in your career, has had all these different phases, you know, to. To go from such a gray period of time to, like, back into this. More warm hues have. I'm sure you watched homes themselves, too change. So I wanted to talk about even how architecturally you watched how people use spaces change. Because, I mean, I feel like when you started, the kitchen desk was still in. Was that a thing still?

[Liz Williams]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And things weren't as I feel like, you know, everyone wants open, but then and now I feel like some people are wanting total closed off rooms like we used to have, but maybe not wide open spaces for the whole living space. So that's been interesting. And I think back to all the kitchens that we did in the late 90s that were kind of the Tuscan kitchen feel and just beige on beige on beige. And so now it's just so different and there's so many options, whether it's white and bright or we just did a dark green, more moody kitchen with wood countertops and kind of Ralph Lauren feel and pretty. So it's, it's definitely, you know, whereas we were using dark green in other ways in the 90s. Your green study and your red dining room and your yellow kitchen and, you know, sort of thing.

[Caroline]

We're like, remember those green, dark hunter green countertops made out of tile?

[Taryn]

Yes.

[Caroline]

Like in the home alone.

[Liz Williams]

Yes, that's right.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Taryn]

The house I grew up in was definitely like, it had the green tub in the corner and the green toilet and the green shower.

[Caroline]

So.

[Taryn]

Yeah, speaking of that green, that hunter green.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Taryn]

So much of it.

[Caroline]

Well, I just love thinking about, like, the sort of macro perspective of design and how like, you know, it's sort of just changed, but then also like gone back in so many ways. I mean, you know, that dark green is. It's not the same green, but it is, you know, dark green is definitely more just all the shades of green are sort of back and it's starting to kind of take, you know, away from the blue a little bit.

[Liz]

It's a little bit more sage. It's a little bit more earthy.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Kind of green. Yeah. But even like the hunter green, pinks.

[Caroline]

And pinks and blues from like the 80s and then like red. Red is really back. And red, obviously in the 90s was the thing. So it's kind of just fun to think about. Yeah.

[Taryn]

You did have a red foyer.

[Liz Williams]

I had a red foyer, yes. Just welcome. Come see all the color at the front door.

[Taryn]

Oh, my gosh. Wait, no. Talk more about what else was in this space. I need to picture this.

[Liz Williams]

Well, it's funny now because when we went up it now it's all white, but at the time it was red. Like a crosshatch. Had it faux finished and with two shades of red. And it was great for the time. And then, you know, went into the more taupey gray living room and a mustardy yellow dining room.

[Caroline]

Yes.

[Liz Williams]

And I did green tone on tone. I think it was Nina Campbell animal print wallpaper in the kitchen. So that was my dark green, but at least it had a little flair to it.

[Caroline]

Oh, my gosh. If you have any photos of these spaces, oh, my gosh, that would be great.

[Liz Williams]

I think I could dig some up.

[Caroline]

Yeah, that'd be perfect.

[Liz]

So when did you start to have your house evolve from that?

[Liz Williams]

I think kind of renovations at different steps. When we would do that, it's like, okay, this is. We gotta change this. And, you know, and I think also, just being in the design field, I came home one day and I was like, okay, it's all got to be white. I can't do this anymore. I can't be locked in, so. And it is still white, Dove. Pretty much. In all the major rooms, bedrooms, we have some more color, but. But it's easier to live with, I think. And then your colors and your fabrics and your art and. Yeah, easier to change and.

[Taryn]

Yeah, yeah.

[Liz Williams]

Move stuff around for your clients when.

[Caroline]

You'Re, you know, doing a big project. Like, how do you guide them to staying away from trends? Or do you feel like, okay, well, there's no avoiding it. Like, you're just gonna have to continue to evolve and change. I guess I feel like there could be two schools of thought about it. Like, either you try to design something that you feel like is timeless, will stick around forever, or you're just kind of like, I've gotta. I know that I'm gonna have to change it.

[Liz Williams]

Right.

[Caroline]

And just I think, always be changing.

[Liz Williams]

I think that if the. Whatever the trendy thing is, is kind of in smaller doses, that that's probably best. Or just ease into it and see if it's gonna stick around or if you're gonna get tired of it. You know, if it's a purple pillow or something that's easy to change down the road. Don't paint. Maybe you don't want a purple sofa, you know, or whatever color it is.

[Liz]

But the thing about these trends is that while you're in it, it doesn't feel like it's going to be a trend. Like Shiplap.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Right. Yeah. That didn't feel like it was going to be a trend. That felt like that was going to be, like, an architectural detail or, like, farmhouse. Like, how cozy? Like, that's great. Or. Yeah. So how do you. How do you recognize where the trend is to even know how to avoid it?

[Liz Williams]

I guess. I mean, I think it's hard, but I think if you look, you know, maybe historic references and that sort of thing. And, you know, like, I still like Shiplap because I feel like it has a historic reference. But. But, you know, I think you. Or think of a different way to use it to do something, you know, a. Like a chevron or something like that with your ship lap instead of just the horizontal boards. Or just find a way that's maybe not locking you into that trend for the long term.

[Liz]

Right, okay.

[Caroline]

No, I agree with you, Liz, because it's like, at the time, you know, think about, like, white kitchens. You know, the whole appeal of the white kitchen was like, it's timeless. It'll be, you know, it'll last forever. Like, this is, you know, classic. But then, you know, we've. We had that for so long, and then now it feels like, oh, that's Trent. But so.

[Liz]

And maybe that was that with like, the stainless steel. Then it started to feel too sterile. So, like, white in the kitchen is still great, but maybe we want to warm it up or like those kind of things.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah, I would agree. Like warmer countertops or maybe it's a wall cup grass cloth on the walls or something that's gives it that extra detail. But, you know, white and bright is classic, and I think it'll always be. But it's what you pair it with. That kind of.

[Taryn]

Yeah, because I imagine it's also the materials, though, that trend in and out as well. You know, like, we were Talking about the 90s tile countertops. Nobody is putting in a. You know, not anyone's really doing that. And so even the materials there have changed and I'm sure will change again.

[Liz]

Oh, yeah.

[Taryn]

We'll be into something.

[Liz Williams]

Newbody's wanting the quartzite and.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

Oh, and a little bit of natural, but not, you know, but. And we're granite. We're doing. We've done some honed black granite that kind of looks like soapstone, so. But some more.

[Taryn]

That's beautiful.

[Liz Williams]

Economical way to do it and have the durability of granite. And so they're.

[Taryn]

I think there's nice.

[Liz Williams]

There's things you can come up with as far as. But. And keep up with all the new product out there.

[Taryn]

Like, I remember the first time I saw a leathered countertop, and I was like, what is. What is this? It feels different and looks different, but it's. Yeah. Oh, you haven't even.

[Liz]

It's like a finish that goes on top of leather. Leather, leather, leather.

[Caroline]

But it's a treatment.

[Taryn]

Yeah. It gives it the soft feel that you're like, what is this? This doesn't Feel like the slab that was sliced that I know about. Yeah.

[Caroline]

Like honed.

[Taryn]

Yeah. Yeah. Leather's got more texture to it, but, yeah, it's kind of like.

[Caroline]

Okay, no.

[Liz]

Oh, it's hitting my Instagram. It'll hit yours now, too.

[Taryn]

Well, you said it enough. You want me to say it.

[Liz]

Leathered countertops, you will all be getting.

[Caroline]

You'll all be getting heads and everything.

[Taryn]

But, yeah, I think the change in materials also, because, again, I think the white kitchen is, like. Is the safer. It is so safe. Because again, there's some. A place for your eye to rest with white, you know.

[Liz]

Right.

[Taryn]

That other colors don't give.

[Liz]

So maybe. So maybe it's not about any one material. Just not going so overboard on it.

[Liz Williams]

Right. Don't do it in every room and, you know, just kind of have a little bit of rains on it.

[Taryn]

Well, what do you tell people? How long till you need a refresh? Because I think that also plays into this.

[Liz Williams]

Well, usually, I think with pets and children, that's come sooner for those of us who have those, depending on wear and tear. Okay, so wear and tear, for sure. And then I. I think there's some rooms that, you know, can be 10 go, 10, 20 years. It just sort of depends. You may not need to refresh the whole thing, but let's do new curtains and pillows or a new rug or whatever it is. We do that a lot with sort of our clients that keep coming back. And, hey, can you help me with this? And. And that's great. I mean, I think if you start with good bones, you may not. You're not probably doing a complete overhaul.

[Taryn]

That's.

[Caroline]

That feels like a really approachable way to handle it. Like, kind of just not necessarily waiting until you want to redo everything, but just redoing little bits along the way. That way it never feels like it's outdated.

[Liz Williams]

Right.

[Caroline]

Because it really isn't. Because you're still, you know, making small changes. Because I think that the idea of, like, doing your house and then 10 years later feeling like, oh, I have to redo it all, like, that's daunting, right?

[Liz Williams]

Oh, yeah, for sure. And I think if you kind of do those updates or maybe it's just a new piece of art or something that pulls the room together that In a different way, I think that helps. And you're not doing everything at the same time.

[Taryn]

Well, and to treat it like a living, like them, like living things, you know, your space is also living. Like it needs to change as well.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Yeah. I would think what about, like. So what are the types of things you feel like people change more often? You mentioned, like, pets, so maybe is it.

[Liz Williams]

Maybe it's rugs, but maybe rugs and upholstery, I think, but. And now we're so fortunate to have so many indoor outdoor krypton, all those high performance fabrics that things are lasting a little bit longer than. So that's helpful. But I'd say those. And then just paint, too. Yeah, that's an easy fix.

[Taryn]

Yeah. Paint I like. What about wallpaper? Have you had any wallpapers from your early designing last?

[Liz Williams]

I think so. I feel like there's so many great traditional document that they're coming back with new, updated colorways. So you love the pattern, but you don't necessarily want the hunter green and burgundy or whatever it was.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

And now it's fresh and new, so.

[Taryn]

Okay.

[Liz Williams]

And wallpaper's definitely in.

[Taryn]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Caroline]

What are some things that you've had from maybe one of your early houses that you've kept that still sticks with you?

[Liz Williams]

Oh, gosh. I have a. A dining table that I bought from Holland and Company at one of their warehouse sales that's like my first big purchase of brown furniture. And it's a round dining table with leaves, so it seats our family of five day to day. But you can add the radial leaves and seat eight.

[Taryn]

And so nice.

[Liz Williams]

It's. We have a square dining room, so it's a perfect fit for that. And so that's.

[Taryn]

I love a round dining table.

[Liz Williams]

I will never part with that table.

[Liz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Caroline]

You know, the dining table, it's like such a. I feel like that one is tricky because like you said, if you have a square dining room, you kind of have to have a round table.

[Liz Williams]

Right.

[Caroline]

But then if you move and your dining room has a rectangular dining room, then you're like, what do I do? Yeah, what do I do?

[Liz Williams]

Yeah, yeah. Hopefully it can be even in the smaller size without the leaves maybe repurposed somewhere.

[Taryn]

True. Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

Like, I could see it in a breakfast room or something, though, you know.

[Caroline]

Now we are so, like, lucky to have sunbrellas and inside outs and performance fabrics. But obviously that's really more of a, like, last five, seven years kind of thing. So before that, what were you doing? And to kind of make things more pet and spill proof. And then, like, you know, I know, like, a lot of people use slipcovers. Do we ever see that? Do you ever see that, like, coming back?

[Liz Williams]

I. I love the look of this slipcover. So I. I know we still have requests for them a lot. And some people that want the. The winter dark chenille sofa and then a springy or summery look in the summer. So I. I think that's, you know, a great still. Yeah.

[Taryn]

Yeah. Okay.

[Liz Williams]

Oh, my mom did that Southern thing, I think, like, swapped out the slip.

[Liz]

Oh, slip cover. So that you had a totally different.

[Caroline]

She had a totally different living. Oh. Sofa and two chairs. And all of her dining room chairs.

[Taryn]

Yeah. Okay. What color was springs?

[Caroline]

I did not mean to just derail this.

[Taryn]

Well, I now need to know.

[Liz]

I know.

[Taryn]

Versus her, like, winter look was.

[Liz]

It's one thing to swap out your pillows, but, like, your entire upholstery is amazing.

[Caroline]

My grandmother did the same thing. Wow. Her whole downstairs, basically.

[Taryn]

Do you do anything?

[Liz Williams]

Okay.

[Caroline]

No, no. I mean, I vividly remember it because.

[Taryn]

It would be the seasonal change.

[Caroline]

Well, okay. So, okay. In the winter, she had a dark green.

[Taryn]

Yes.

[Caroline]

Hunter green. It wasn't a Chanel. I would say it's like maybe a Jacquard with, like, tiny little yellow sort of dots on it. And then her side chairs were this, like, yellow bird print. It was like yellow and red and green kind of big bird. Anyway, it was actually pretty. I'm not making it sound appealing. And then I can't remember what. The dining chair. It was like the slip seat.

[Liz]

Right.

[Caroline]

So it was like the upholstered seat. But in the summer, she did. I think the sofa and the two chairs were all the same blue sort of. It wasn't really a damask, but it was sort of a big, like, blue and white graphic print. Like.

[Taryn]

So wait, she'd pop the seat out and restaple it. No, no.

[Caroline]

Okay.

[Taryn]

No, it's a. It is a cover.

[Caroline]

It was a slip cover with, like, a box pleat skirt. So the upholstered one was under there. And she would just put the slip on top.

[Taryn]

Got it. Okay.

[Caroline]

And then same with the chairs and the sofa. So then it just. The underside was fully upholstered.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And then there was like a slip that was skirted on top.

[Taryn]

Okay.

[Caroline]

So.

[Liz]

And yeah.

[Caroline]

So she would, in the winter, take it off, take it to the dry cleaner. They would dry clean it. Then in, you know, whatever, April, she would put it back on. But then.

[Liz]

Easter. Right.

[Liz Williams]

Probably.

[Caroline]

But, like, it would make all of your upholstery fabrics last twice as long.

[Liz Williams]

Right.

[Caroline]

Because you're only getting used. Yeah.

[Taryn]

Half the time.

[Caroline]

Half the time. Wow.

[Liz]

That's amazing.

[Caroline]

Yeah. I mean, I thought this was. I thought everyone did this. Yeah, of course. Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

Right, right. Everything.

[Caroline]

Just because my grandmother did the same thing. Like, she had a slipcover for the summer, and it was like a light kind of what probably like a twill. And then in the winter it was like a kind of chenille or jacquard and. Yeah.

[Taryn]

Amazing.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Taryn]

Amazing.

[Caroline]

No.

[Liz]

Is this a southern thing? Is this a. Is this a regional thing?

[Liz Williams]

I guess.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Okay.

[Liz]

No, I'm down. This is great.

[Liz Williams]

We don't do it as much anymore, but we had. Have done it and. But as far as, you know, I think just looking for a heavy duty fabric, even if it's not a performance fabric.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

All this rubs and all that and darker colors or the color of your pet. We've had. Can you make this golden retriever color?

[Caroline]

Yes.

[Liz Williams]

And so the hair does not show up as much.

[Caroline]

I think there's an amazing tip. Like, pick.

[Taryn]

I mean, well, as long as you're keeping that dog. But I know you like your dog.

[Liz]

You're dressing like the dog too. Because when you sit down and then you get up. Right.

[Taryn]

But it's still a good tip.

[Caroline]

Actually.

[Taryn]

It is.

[Caroline]

Or I mean, you don't necessarily have to. I mean, shirt saying, like, I wanted a sofa that's the color of my golden retriever. Maybe he's a little extreme, but like, if, you know, okay, this is where my dog likes to sit.

[Liz Williams]

Right.

[Caroline]

Maybe it doesn't match, but, like, if it's closer in tone, it's going to be less obvious. Whereas if you do have a golden retriever and you write a dark brown or a black couch, like, that's gonna be a problem. Right.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah. I have two black labs and said there are no white couches. I don't have black ones, but they're at least darker.

[Taryn]

I have all black sofas. I don't change them out seasonally.

[Caroline]

Do you feel like people. You mentioned some of your clients request slipcovers. Do you feel like those clients, they like, is it the look of the slip cover or is it the practicality that appeals to them?

[Liz Williams]

I think it's probably a little both, maybe for sofa and heavier upholstery. But like, for dining chairs, I think it's more just to kind of change the look.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

Or add a skirt when you don't always have a skirt.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I love that about, like, especially if you have, you know, now so many dining chairs are, like, more fully upholstered, like new styles stylistically. Right.

[Taryn]

There's a lot more that are fully.

[Caroline]

Whereas an antique chair is usually more like a. Like a Chippendale or something. It just has the slip seat. So it's a lot of hard. It's a lot of like hardness, I guess.

[Liz Williams]

Right.

[Caroline]

So adding the skirt makes it just feel like so much softer and like more inviting.

[Liz Williams]

There's so many. You can do different pleats or scallops or it could go to the floor ties. I mean, there's so many kind of dressmaker details.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

It just like softens the look, I think of an antique set that I, I love that.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

You know, and I, I guess if you don't have an antique set of chairs, then like the, the sort of softness of the slipcover and like the ties and the skirt is. It's not really as important because you are probably going to have a more upholstered like new chair. You know what I mean? But I just always kind of think the like box pleated skirt or ruffle or something is. It's fun.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah. And you can also just treat the head chairs too. Or it's a round table. Every other chair or something like that. That's a fun way to change it up too.

[Caroline]

So we. I was listening back to the Mark and Roberts episode and he was talking about putting it was like a ticking stripe on a bias as the welt of some seeds. And that's always fun too. Like, you know, you can kind of.

[Taryn]

Mix things out extra.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Like pretty fabrics in there. Those, those dressmaker details are such a like classic and timeless decorator sort of gesture, I guess.

[Liz Williams]

Yes. We love fabric and trim. And whether it's creating your own welt or there's so many great trims these days. The little. There's a little box pleat grosgrain ribbon we like to use a lot for that little like half inch edge.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

Straight brace or weld on a sofa or something like that.

[Caroline]

Okay. I love that little box pleat trim. That's a. Wait, say that again.

[Liz Williams]

It's like a grosgrain ribbon like we used to wear in our hair, but they box pleated and as a trim. And it's so. It has stitching down the middle so you can use just that half inch edge on the drapery or cushion.

[Caroline]

So it comes that way. It comes box pleated. Okay. I've never seen.

[Liz Williams]

I'm sure you could make your own, but. Yeah. Tebow.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

That makes it. And tons of fun colors.

[Caroline]

That's fun. Okay. I never really thought about how that actually was fabricated.

[Liz Williams]

Yep.

[Caroline]

Cool. You know what I'm talking about, right? Oh, yeah. What she's talking about.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

You know, we talked about brown furniture sort of being very popular. Popular in, like, the 90s and the early 2000s and sort of going away. Now it's back. Is there anything else that you're sort of seeing a resurgence of?

[Liz Williams]

I would say color, because we went through such a neutral gray stage, which we didn't do a ton of, but I'm happy colors back, and clients are really wanting even. We did blue and green so much, but now red.

[Taryn]

And how are you doing red right now? Yeah, just because I. I do think people are a little nervous to jump back in because everyone remembers your entry and, like, I think. Or the dining room they grew up in or. So how are you doing it right now?

[Liz Williams]

I think it's more subtle, whether it's in a print with blues and greens and browns and things like that, or beiges, but it's there. So it's Then. Or it's in a lamp or, you know, some other small dose of it. But. But I think it's fun to not be doing all neutral or just. Just blue and white, you know?

[Liz]

So how do we get away with adding red into a room? Because it definitely pulls your eye directly to it.

[Liz Williams]

I think maybe not just fire engine red. More of a subtle red or towards a pink or towards an orangey or color, depending on the fabrics. And so it's not. Doesn't get. It's not the center of attention.

[Caroline]

Okay.

[Liz]

And maybe more pieces that have, like, not just one dedicated red piece.

[Liz Williams]

Maybe there's art that has symmetry or a rug that has. That incorporated.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Taryn]

So no, no red accent wall. Don't do that.

[Caroline]

No, no, no red accent wall.

[Liz]

Okay. Because that's definitely taking.

[Caroline]

I know.

[Liz Williams]

That was the 90s.

[Taryn]

Yes.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Oh, gosh.

[Taryn]

Trading spaces.

[Caroline]

Trying to paint over a red is like.

[Liz]

Oh, yeah.

[Caroline]

One of my first apartments, it was painted red. We were not painting it red. We were taking it away from the red. And gosh, just buckets and buckets of paint. I mean, because covering it is so hard.

[Taryn]

Yikes.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Taryn]

Okay. So, sorry, back to what you were saying. So you're putting some color. More color in red. Is there any other colors that are kind of interestingly popping up?

[Liz Williams]

We have one client that we've recently done their house here and a lake house, and she loves pink, which I love pink, but kind of same thing, small doses, but I think softer pinks. It's a great compliment to so many colors.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

What about brown? I feel like brown was so big in, like, the. What, sort of early 2000 mid 2000s.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah.

[Liz]

I mean, do we need to talk about mocha mousse? We haven't talked about. Yeah, mocha mousse pantones, color of the year.

[Liz Williams]

I love. I love brown. I think we used it then, but we. I think incorporating it now with greens and. And blues and oranges and all kinds of that, it's kind of a different. A different brown than it was back.

[Liz]

Yeah, yeah. Less orange. A little bit warmer. A little bit more pink undertones.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah, exactly.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

I think it looks so good.

[Caroline]

I mean, because. Yeah, that mocha mousse color is really. It's really pink.

[Liz]

Yeah, it has a lot of pink undertones in it.

[Caroline]

You know, it's really kind of more mauve, almost like. I think it looks like. Like sulking room pink.

[Liz]

Yeah, it's not.

[Caroline]

It's really close to silking room pink. So we both. And she painted her bedro.

[Taryn]

They look comically different, though, just based on the lighting. Like, we being in each other's spaces. They like. I have four windows, and so I just think I have a lot more light. And yours is a little bit low and tree coverage and all that being a little different.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Taryn]

So yours is a little more. Yours went lavender. To me. Like, you have more. Like, when I walk in, I get more of that, and I know you decorated with some of that, which is probably why, too, where I went more gold and I did like yellows and more. And like more mauvey and natural colors.

[Caroline]

So mine looks. I think. Well, I think mine looks more brown and yours looks more. A little more pink. Yeah, but.

[Taryn]

But this news color isn't interesting. Like, it is kind of like a mauvy.

[Caroline]

It's a mid brown.

[Taryn]

Yeah, it is a mid tone. I was wondering. I was like, is this just like a take on beige? It's like versus brown. Which way would you say?

[Caroline]

I think it's mauve. I think it's mauve. It looks pink to me. I mean, I don't know. When you sit with the. The words mocha mousse, to me, I was picturing something a lot like chocolatier, but to me, it's pretty mid tone. And I don't know, mocha just sounds. Does that sound like dark.

[Liz Williams]

Dark chocolate? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Liz]

There's a light, airy frothiness to it. That's the mousse end of.

[Taryn]

That's why they didn't just go with mocha, obviously. I think we were all excited to see it was a shade of brown, quote unquote or whatever. So to Bring that back in. But I've been.

[Caroline]

Last year. Do you remember, because.

[Liz]

Was it a coral?

[Taryn]

What was the year they did pink and blue together? Do you remember that? It was like a baby pink and a baby blue. Do you remember that? They, like, didn't decide. They.

[Caroline]

Because I feel like people make such a big deal out of the pantone color of the year. Right? Like, it's this big thing, but then.

[Liz]

We'Re sitting here a year later, and we can't.

[Taryn]

It might have been a coral.

[Caroline]

Never see it again. And I'm like, did that really actually have an impact on.

[Liz]

Yeah, it was either a coral or a lavender. We'll have to go back.

[Taryn]

We'll have to look. Yeah, I don't know the impact, because. So we pull. We pull all the colors of the years from all the paint. And I'm sure you look at this too, and studying well, what is every. And each of them pick a different color, too, though, right? Like, sometimes, of course, you'll have something in the same shades, because blues are always like, a classic. So I think some of them are always blue. Sometimes it's a green. And then, you know, someone's got some rogue color who believes, you know, which. It's fun to see. But yeah, it is interesting to be, like, pantone goes any which way they want versus, like, a color of the year of a paint company being probably different.

[Liz]

So, Liz, how much should we. We be paying attention to any of these color trend forecasts, really?

[Liz Williams]

Well, I can't say that the pantone color has ever really had an influence. It's just fun to know what it is and discuss it. But. But I think, you know, we. We kind of go with more of the neutral for main rooms of the house, and then the bedrooms are more color bathrooms, wallpaper, whatever it is. Unless you've got a less open house and a more dedicated space to do something like mocha mousse. I think just take it with a grain of salt.

[Taryn]

Yeah, it's good.

[Liz]

I love that, like, your rooms do feel very traditional in that. Like, I feel like the floor plans are very traditional, and there's always a seat for everyone, and I absolutely love that. I feel like in every image, you feel like you. The conversation's already happening, and you just insert yourself here, which is just so lovely. But there are rooms where you go a little bit off the wall with color, but in a really beautiful way. And I want to talk about your bathroom renovation that you recently did. So you have a beautiful green, natural leaf pattern wallpaper throughout and then what really struck me as being a little bit more off the wall, like, personality driven, is your dressing table that you had lacquered in kind of a really bright, bright green. And then you have like a shell mirror over. And then. And then you have.

[Taryn]

This is a test.

[Liz]

No, it so struck me. And then there's a monkey lamp with a pleated e. Cat shade.

[Liz Williams]

Yes.

[Liz]

And that is so fun and so full of personality. And how. How do you. Like, this is your own home.

[Liz Williams]

Yes.

[Liz]

But do you do that kind of fun, eclectic mix for your clients at all? And how do you. How do you pull that off?

[Liz Williams]

Well, I think it depends on the client. Some people would. I don't want a monkey lamp. What are you talking about?

[Liz]

But that's a great monkey lamp.

[Liz Williams]

My childhood lamp that was in my room, and the shell mirror, too. So that's my dressing table. So I just wanted it, you know, to be a fun spot. And the shade's new, but the lamp is the same. And. And so. But yeah, I think a bit of whimsy is great. And some. Some clients want that and some don't, or they want to add their own whim. I'm. I've done my job, so. So. But I think we've recently done a house at Lake Lanier that is full of things like that. And so it's really fun to have a sense of humor about it.

[Caroline]

When you're adding, you know, some of those whimsical touches to your clients spaces, are they usually coming to you with like, I like monkeys, or are you just, like, kind of picking, you know what I'm saying? Yes, I would think they are monkey lovers, monkeys. As a designer, it's like, yeah, finding just the right thing that reflects their personality.

[Taryn]

But right level of whimsy is hard.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah, I think so, too. And I mean, it. It might be a. How do you feel about monkeys? I have this lamp or whatever, you know, whatever are you into or what animals do you, like, forward with in the interview?

[Taryn]

Like.

[Liz]

Like.

[Caroline]

Yeah, right, right.

[Liz Williams]

I think as projects go on and things like that are kind of the final touches that you kind of are out shopping and you see something and think they might like this, you know, and it's worth a try.

[Caroline]

So you're just kind of going on instinct and then pitching it to them.

[Liz Williams]

Yes.

[Caroline]

Yeah, that makes sense. I. I would just. That always is the. I think what fascinates me about the designer client relationship because you're not always forthcoming with, like, it just doesn't necessarily cross your mind, like, Oh, I should tell my designer that I really love, you know, collecting matchboxes or something. But that could be a really, you know, interesting detail for you to know if you're trying to think of, like, wall decor, I don't know, something.

[Liz]

Or they might be hiding that monkey lamp in that shell mirror because they. Even though they've loved them since their childhood, like, you know, and thinking like, oh, well, my designer is never going to go for that. But you would, like, right?

[Liz Williams]

Yeah, totally. Yeah. Sometimes we'll. We'll get to go in the basement or the attic and go shopping, so hopefully we can find some fun things.

[Caroline]

I would never, ever let a designer in my basement.

[Liz]

Okay. Why not Discuss.

[Caroline]

Oh, is your basement organized? Mine is just a mess. I would never let any. Anyone down there. We're like, you're out.

[Taryn]

I would let them down. Well, at that point, they know about you, right?

[Liz Williams]

My basement is not that organized, so it's okay.

[Taryn]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or that answer.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Taryn]

Once they've asked where you like your underwear to go, I feel like you're like, well, yeah, let's go to my messy basement. Yeah.

[Caroline]

All right.

[Taryn]

That's funny, though.

[Caroline]

I just. I don't know.

[Taryn]

I get that, though. I can see what you mean by like, yeah, don't show them the back. The back.

[Caroline]

Don't show them those things.

[Taryn]

Yeah, that's funny. But, yeah, no, I would. We have some stuff down there that I'm like, maybe I'd be like, does any of this look good to you? Or can I get rid of it?

[Liz Williams]

Right.

[Liz]

Because those. Those areas really kind of tend to be a holding zone for goodwill or like, or for the next generation or for, in. In my case, me. Because the land, the person we bought the house from left the best basement full of crazy stuff.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Liz]

You know, so that's awesome. Yeah.

[Taryn]

And awful, but awesome.

[Liz]

Yeah. Oh, some of it made it upstairs.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Oh, nice. That's good.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

What about. Is there anything that you're working on that, like, any projects on the horizon where you're like, you're. You're sort of doing something that you're worried about? Like, not worried about, but you know what I mean, where you're like, this I think is gonna be good, but I don't know.

[Liz Williams]

I can't think of anything on the horizon. But I will say we recently did a mid century modern mountain house in the side of a mountain in North Georgia. That was a friend. And like, it's outside your wheelhouse to do mid century. And I'm like, well, no, I appreciate it. I just don't live with it. But. And. Or do it often. But that was really fun. So I think. But at the time, I was like, can I do this? You know, so I'd say, you know, sometimes there are jobs where you know someone really well and they want you to do it, but it's not necess. They don't necessarily want what I typically do.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

And that's when it's a little. A little daunting, but.

[Liz]

But what a fun challenge.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

That's kind of how you have to look at it. Like, think outside the box and you can do, you know.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

And you go in these great, you know, shops that have all the mid century, and you were like, that is really cool. Let's do that. And.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

And not do traditional.

[Caroline]

Did it make you want to, like, bring any home to your own house?

[Liz Williams]

Yeah, a little bit. I think you can have a touch of some, like a more mid century coffee table with other traditional pieces and things like that. Or a lamp.

[Liz]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Caroline]

I just. I feel like designers are always so good at, like, embracing the next thing I think, you know, y'all are always like, you know, I'm thinking about that mocha mousse color again. And at the Flower magazine show house, this was the one two years ago. Two years ago, there was tons of that color. I mean, almost every designer I felt, like, used that color. I was thinking of it as mauve, but not mocha moose, but, you know, that was two years in advance. And then, you know, I just feel like. But I wonder if any of them were actually doing that for clients or if that was just like, for the.

[Liz]

Show house being experimental. Yeah.

[Caroline]

You know, and this is fun and different.

[Liz]

Yeah. Well, how do you approach show houses.

[Liz Williams]

Kind of in that, you know, what can we do that's. That's different or different colors that we don't typically use or put together. And. And. And it's hard because there's no client. I mean, I guess you could say I'm the client, but a lot of times I'm not keeping it. Also. It's like, you know, what do you do? But I think we just try to come up with new and different ways to do what we always do so that people can see it and. And it's something different, but they know it's ours.

[Caroline]

Have y'all. Did y'all go to the holiday show house?

[Taryn]

That's what I was saying. Yeah, I went today.

[Caroline]

You went today? Oh, okay.

[Taryn]

To the Atlanta.

[Caroline]

I. Well, I went at night. So I'm curious how it looks in the daytime, but I felt like there was so much like, cohesion in all. Like, it seemed like there were a lot of browns, a lot of greens and like across all of the rooms. And so that is another one where I was like, huh. They're usually so sort of disjointed.

[Liz Williams]

Right.

[Caroline]

So it's interesting when all of the designers are sort of like vibing on the same thing. You know, like that flower magazine one where everything was mauve.

[Taryn]

Yeah. Somehow show houses. This one was very cohesive overall. Like. Yeah, it didn't feel so, like, choppy. Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

I think that's a challenge, which I'm not sure how you. With all the different designers, how do you make occasionally?

[Taryn]

Do you talk?

[Liz Williams]

Yeah.

[Taryn]

Do you even talk to the person doing the next.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

I mean, you're kind of Betty's on the install days and all that, but there's really no, you know, no between planned out. Unless.

[Caroline]

What if you are next to. So like, what if you're like the living room next to the dining room though? Do you ever. Would you talk to them or be like, eh, whatever.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

I've done, you know, a breakfast stream before where the. The kitchen designer, you know, was having to do a window treatment in there and we kind of talked about color, but it still was separate enough. But I think. I think that's a challenge because with the open floor plans and. Yeah, you know, they do butt up right up to each other. So I'm in the southeastern show house. I'm doing an outdoor living space, and so there's really nothing but the landscape around me. So that'll be interesting. It may it come. It'll come off the living room, but it's fun. It's always fun to see what everybody comes up with and who is using the same colors.

[Caroline]

Highlights first. Thank you all for your work on the podcast. Thanks, Erica, and thank you for listening. This project has been long, too long with extreme highs and lows. My question is about how to dress the bay windows in our home. There are three total. A guest room, office guest room, and the formal living room off the kitchen. All of the windows are street facing. They have different needs. The bedrooms need a blackout option and sound absorption. The living room needs privacy at night. One of the bedrooms has a low ceiling 9ft, while the other has ceilings around 10ft. We also want to be able to maximize the light during the day as our home only has two exposures and most of our natural light comes from these big Beautiful windows. We unfortunately had to remove some original shutters in the formal living room and getting them redone is prohibitively high. My preference is typically for a full drapery panel. With the high ceilings it just makes sense. But it's been really challenging to find a rod that works with the angles in the bay window. What would you do here? A Roman shade in each window. Maybe not with the stained glass, but with an option for the bedrooms above and below a ceiling track which can be more flexible and bend to the shape of the wall. Try to have something custom fabricated or use a single rod with two panels for each window and tie backs. A shade or a shade and a panel. The options seem endless. Thanks again for all the work you do, Erica. So yeah, it looks like she is in a townhouse. So she's only got what like the front and back exposures and she's got these great bay windows with, you know, it looks like the ones on the downstairs have some pretty stained glass as like a transom. And yeah, they do get a lot of natural light, which is nice. What do you think, Liz? What would you do?

[Liz Williams]

I. I think if she likes panels, I think that's the way to go. Because Romans, the way the soffit drops down above each window doesn't give you much room for them to stack up. So it's going to cut into the light even when they're open. So I think you could do a ceiling mounted track would. I think would that. That then you can have two panels so they're either all the way open or all the way closed. And you wouldn't have the skinnier panels in the middle which I think would be a cleaner look with the way just a contrast, stain, trim and that sort of thing. Or we were. We had a similar dilemma. And you can have a custom rod made. We just. We get someone to take a template and. And have that made. And then if you did want those center panels at four panels versus two that would work for that. But I, I would probably go with the ceiling mount. And it. The windows are pretty. I think mounting on the ceiling and having those nice long panels would really be.

[Caroline]

Because the one on the left, it looks like it already has a rod. Right. Like there's already a rod that's fits. Yeah.

[Liz]

In the office.

[Liz Williams]

But I think the problem would be. Oh yeah. If you just had the two panels like it can't. It can't make it past those corner brackets.

[Caroline]

Right.

[Liz Williams]

So if you did something.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Liz Williams]

So you're still feeling that's more rounded but fits in the bay. Then you can have more. A more streamlined look.

[Caroline]

So she says in the bedroom she needs blackout and sound absorption. It seems like she kind of has to do an inside mount, though, with that. Right. Like what. How other would. How else would she get? I guess she could do blackout curtains.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah, I think blackout curtains. And we'll use for sound issues. Bump. That's just a heavier weight lining and that really does help with the sound, especially street facing. So. And I feel like having the blackout and the bump is beautiful. Nice. And so you have to really pay attention that your. Whatever rod you're using can hold all that because it'll be heavy, but they'll be gorgeous.

[Caroline]

Okay.

[Liz]

Right.

[Caroline]

Okay. So you're basically thinking just the panels and have them essentially ceiling mounted to fit the bay window.

[Liz Williams]

Right. I mean, I think the way the soffit is, if you did Romans and mounted them above outside mount in a bay, you run into the edges of each shade hitting each other. So I think the best bet is panels.

[Caroline]

Okay.

[Taryn]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

I mean, do you feel like she could do that ready made or would she really have to have custom?

[Liz Williams]

I think custom, but the. The ceiling tracks are not expensive. I think it's just you. You just need someone to the get the right angles or if you do the curved. But the actual mechanism is not expensive. So I think it can be closer to ready made.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Liz]

Who do you go to for custom things like that?

[Liz Williams]

We use United Supply that they have on here, that they're across the country, and. And then we get our drapery installer just to do a template of what we need and they build it.

[Liz]

Okay.

[Caroline]

Now, I don't know how you would find like a drapery work room if. Unless you're working with an interior designer. Do you think they're. Does such a thing exist, like getting custom drapes?

[Liz Williams]

I think. I think there's some out there, but I think you could probably. If you could get in touch with United Supply, then they could. There's a formula for. There's a formula for the template, and I feel like we even did it on poster paper and sent it to them.

[Caroline]

Oh, okay. Interesting.

[Liz Williams]

So I think it's. It sounds harder than it probably is.

[Caroline]

That is a great tip. I like that. Okay. Eric, Erica, good luck and thank you for listening. We're so glad you find the show. Well, she actually said a lot of really lovely things that I just removed because I was trying to get through the whole thing.

[Liz]

But such a nice.

[Caroline]

Thank you so much for listening and for all of your.

[Liz]

Yeah. I'm really excited about her space. It's such.

[Taryn]

And the dream for you.

[Caroline]

Yes. And her floors are pretty. I mean, she's got such a lovely, like, look at that interesting handrail on her suitcase.

[Taryn]

The banister is gorgeous.

[Liz]

Yeah.

[Taryn]

You know, it's really pretty.

[Liz]

Totally in love with the space. It's great.

[Caroline]

Very cool. All right. Well, Liz, thank you so much for joining us.

[Taryn]

Thank you for having me.

[Liz Williams]

This was fun.

[Caroline]

Can you tell everyone where they can find you, follow you and see your work?

[Liz Williams]

Yes. Our website is lizwilliamsinteriors.com and Instagram is at Liz Williams Interiors. And we'll be doing the show House coming up this spring. And we have a feature coming out in Southern Home magazine in March.

[Caroline]

So that's great.

[Liz Williams]

Thank you.

[Caroline]

It's not Lizanderson.

[Liz]

No website.

[Liz Williams]

Yeah.

[Taryn]

She'Ll link it over.

[Caroline]

Well, thank you again for coming and joining us here in our in person. It's always fun to really get to chat in person.

[Liz Williams]

So spiritual. Thanks for having me.

[Liz]

Really fun.

[Caroline]

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[Taryn]

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[Caroline]

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[Liz]

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[Caroline]

Until next time, happy decorating.