How to Date in Your Social Circle—without Being “That Creepy Guy” (Live Coaching with A.J.)

Summary

Podcast Summary:

How to Date in Your Social Circle—without Being “That Creepy Guy”
Podcast: How to Get a Girlfriend with Connell Barrett
Host: Connell Barrett
Guest: A.J. (former/current client)
Release Date: May 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the challenges and opportunities of dating within social circles without coming across as “creepy” or making things awkward. Connell Barrett, America’s top men’s dating coach, coaches his guest and past client A.J. on approaching women authentically within communities, managing fear of social repercussions, and mastering post-approach interactions. The conversation covers live issues, such as how to confirm dates, read signals in group settings, and maintain confidence—offering advanced, nuanced advice for men seeking connection without awkwardness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Fear of “Being Creepy” and the Reality Check

[00:00–03:42]

• Connell opens by dispelling the fear that approaching women—whether at a yoga class, park, or elsewhere—automatically equals creepiness.
  • “Is it weird and creepy to take a shot at love? No. That's what our job is. It's weird and creepy to not take no for an answer and follow her home… you're just a dude chatting up a cute girl in a yoga class.” (Connell, 00:00)
• A.J. recounts recent approach experiences, highlighting that most women, even those not interested, respond positively if he is respectful and attentive to signals.

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2. Following Up & Preventing Unintentional Flakes

[05:24–13:03]

• Connell explains how to handle post-approach communications:
  • Don’t “confirm” a date in a business-like way (“Are we still on?”); instead, be light-hearted and assumptive to prevent easy outs for cancellations.
  • Use playful messages assuming the date is happening: “Hey, can’t wait for the trail tonight. The views are gonna be fantastic. Bring a canteen and bring some caterpillars.” (Connell, 09:06)
• Persistence: Keep pursuing a date unless given “clear evidence” of disinterest. One reschedule is not a ‘no.’

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3. Navigating Social Circle and Group Dating Dynamics

[13:03–35:11]

• A.J. expresses anxiety about blurring friendship and dating lines in tight-knit communities (improv, yoga, activity groups).
• Connell highlights the difference between “the friend zone” and a dimmer-switch attraction model: women may need more time to get to know a man before contemplating romance.
  • Coffee Invitations: May or may not be a friend-zone move. Sometimes women want to get to know a guy in a low-pressure way first.
  • “Social circle attraction is a longer play... focus on being good company, being present, talking one-on-one. Not every interaction needs to be an instant ‘ask out.’” (Connell, 29:45)
• Fear of group backlash:
  • A.J. worries about becoming a “statistic” or being shunned for revealing romantic interest in women who may only see him as a friend.
  • Connell normalizes this fear as a sign of empathy rather than creepiness and stresses the importance of reading social cues and acting with integrity.
    • “Sociopaths, creeps, men without empathy… don’t worry about this stuff. The very fact that you have these reservations is actually coming from a really great place.” (Connell, 19:21)

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4. How Context Guides Your Approach

[22:47–30:36]

• Direct Versus Indirect:
  • Bars and public places = direct is fine.
  • Tight-knit communities (e.g., yoga) = friendly, light, and more indirect starts. Build rapport, chatter, and look for interest before making a move.
  • “Walking up to a woman, being really direct... I would not do that in yoga class. In the wild, sure. Social circle? Go indirect, social, friendly.” (Connell, 22:47)

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5. Reading Signals and Avoiding Awkwardness

[30:36–35:11]

• Don’t rush for contact info; work towards a two-minute, meaningful conversation first.
  • “It takes two minutes of one-on-one conversation for a reasonable possible chance of a phone number and a date.” (Connell, 30:44)
• If she’s not forthcoming or engaged, accept it graciously and don’t force an ask-out.

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6. Challenging Limiting Beliefs About Dating in Social Circles

[33:51–36:25]

• Connell debunks the belief that men shouldn’t ever make a move in a social group.
  • “It’s only 200,000 years old. It’s how our species has procreated for so long—men lead, women follow (though there are exceptions).” (Connell, 34:15)
• Acting respectfully and kindly eliminates risk of “being that creepy guy”—the danger zone is only in persistent or aggressive behavior after a ‘no.’

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7. Handling Group Rejection & Mindset Mastery

[38:37–46:52]

• A.J. struggles with being “cockblocked” by women’s friends at bars, feeling his solo presence is judged.
• Connell: Most social issues come from hesitancy and self-consciousness, not creepiness.
• Mindset reframing: “You are the opposite of creepy. You are lovable, acceptable, and valuable.”
  • “Go out this weekend, walk up to a group of women and say, hi, I am lovable.” (Connell, 42:54)

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8. What To Say: Owning Your Presence and Sharing Impactfully

[43:58–64:20]

• In bars, own your solo status with playful confidence: “Hey, just saw you ladies, I’m here by myself, but I’m lovable.”
• What to talk about:
  • Pull the conversational thread—whatever you opened with, expand on that topic organically (compliment, observation, etc.).
  • Don’t barrage with questions; intersperse authentic statements and opinions.
  • “You're going to get what you first give. How can I make her feel good? How can I have a good conversation? Then, share about yourself.” (Connell, 28:05, and throughout)
• Practice being emotionally “active,” not just reactive.
  • “In every approach... there's one person who is being more active, the other more reactive.” (Connell, 59:16)
  • “I want you to be the white billiard ball and women are the colored balls. You're impacting them with your energy.” (Connell, 61:02)

Memorable Pep Talk:

• “If you primarily ask questions, it’s hard to be impactful… Share what you think, feel, or honest, real opinions. Use love and hate—‘I love this place,’ ‘I hate the DJ’… It makes a stronger impact.” (Connell, 55:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Is it weird and creepy to take a shot at love? No. That's what our job is.” (Connell, 00:00)
• “People want to be consistent with what they say they're going to do.” (Connell, 09:53)
• “What you want to move toward is not living your life in fear unless the fear is literally something you should be afraid of.” (Connell, 19:21)
• “Men lead, women follow. So your job is to go talk to the woman who you are interested in or interested in talking to.” (Connell, 34:30)
• “You're the opposite of creepy. Let's stop using that word... What’s the opposite of creepy?” (Connell, 42:52)
• “I want to make an impact, a positive impact. If you primarily ask questions, it’s hard to be impactful. Share what you think and feel.” (Connell, 55:05)
• “I'm lovable. That's the mindset tonight.” (A.J. & Connell, 50:34)
• “In every approach, there's one person who is in action mode and another who is in receiving mode. Be the one who acts, not the one who just reacts.” (Connell, 59:16)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–03:42: Fear of creepiness; park/outdoor approaches.
• 05:24–13:03: Following up on dates; assumptive, playful confirmations.
• 13:03–18:46: Fear of friend-zone and shunning in communities.
• 22:47–30:36: Adjusting approach style based on context (direct vs. indirect).
• 30:44–33:01: “Two-minute conversation rule” for moving things forward.
• 33:51–36:25: Debunking limiting beliefs about “natural” group dating dynamics.
• 38:37–46:52: Group dynamics at bars/clubs; mindset about “being solo.”
• 54:18–64:20: Practical tips: conversational threading; impact vs. reacting; ending pep talk.

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Final Takeaways & Marching Orders

• Assume innocence: Approaching, when done respectfully and read with cues, isn’t “creepy.”
• Mindset over mechanics: How you see yourself (lovable vs. creepy) is more important than any “perfect line.”
• In social circles: Go indirect, build rapport, and only escalate if signals are clear.
• In bars/clubs: Own your presence, don’t apologize for being solo, and pull conversational threads confidently.
• Active, not reactive: Be the emotional initiator in conversations—make a positive impact, don’t just seek approval.

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Host’s Parting Words:
“Whatever you do tonight or this weekend with approaching, just remember, you are the masculine. You are acting upon her in a positive way, but a dominant way. You act, she responds—whether it's energetically, emotionally, or both.” (Connell, 64:31)

Transcript

[A]

Hey, Connell. Is it weird and creepy to take a shot at love? No. That's what our job is. It's weird and creepy to not take no for an answer and follow her home and turn into Joe from you. Joe from you. He's going to get in trouble on TikTok and Reddit. You're just a dude chatting up a cute girl in a yoga class. Hey, welcome back to the how to Get a Girlfriend podcast. I'm your host, dating coach and author, Connell Barrett. I am here to help you know what to say and flirt like you mean it and help you get a great girlfriend. And I'm really excited to welcome back to the podcast today a former slash kind of current client, more former great guy named aj. AJ worked with me last year and he came to me because at first he was really struggling with, ugh, I want to approach women. I don't know how to flirt. I don't know how to make some moves without creeping women out. And he had some approaching anxiety and he since has gone on to have some amazing breakthroughs approaching women, getting dates, having some great stories. We might talk about some of these. And today he's got some more advanced dating questions to help take him to the next level. So, anyway, welcome back to the how to Get a Girlfriend podcast, aj.

[B]

Thank you, Kahl. Yeah, thank you so much for having me.

[A]

Awesome, man. Well, let's just get right to it. What are some of the flirting or dating issues you're bumping up against? And how can I help you? Where would you like to start?

[B]

Yeah, well, actually, right before this podcast, since I have you, I was going to go on a date tonight. I met this girl in the park, which, you know, thanks to the coaching and everything, it was really cool that I can just walk up to girls in parks now that I think are cute.

[A]

You didn't get arrested, right, for talking to another woman?

[B]

No, no, no, not. Not this time. But, like, I made sure to clear the coast first, you know, and then I got out of there before the cops could. Could roll up. But no, it was insane. Like, she was, I think so far, every girl that I've come up to in a park, only one girl was, like, clearly unhappy that I approached her, but I, you know, very quickly picked up on that and just left her alone. Bit awkward, but nothing happened. And, okay, the others, even though most of them had boyfriends, they were happy that I was, that I came up to them, which is really interesting. Yeah. And this girl in particular, like, we hung out for a while. It Was fun. And, like, we. I saw her, like, looking at the dirt, you know, and I'm really outdoorsy, so, like, she caught my eye. I was like, what are you looking at? And she had found a caterpillar. So we just hung out and admired caterpillars and talked about ecology for a while. And then, like, we talked about yoga. She's a yoga instructor. And asked her out, like, you know, you want to go on a date? And she's like, yeah, sure. We're both new to town. And so I got her number. We started planning a date, and she just.

[A]

Can I jump in real quick? Oh, yeah, mask it. So your first words you said to her were, what are you looking at?

[B]

I don't think I phrased it exactly that way, but I was like, hey, like, you know, what are you. What are you doing?

[A]

It's that simple. It can be that simple, right? You saw her looking at dirt, and you asked her what she was looking at, and now you're going on a date with her. I just think it's good to mention that because so many guys think, okay, what's the perfect line? What's the fancy, cool, witty, amazing line? And you know what? Hey, why are you looking at Dirt can work or something close to it.

[B]

Yeah. And, I mean, I've had success, too, with just being really direct. If I can't think of anything to say and just tell the truth, which is, hey, I was just walking. Bye. I thought you were totally adorable or something like that and just, like, wanted to come say hey and then just gauge her reaction. Some girls are really open to talking. Others will let me know right away that they're not interested. Yeah.

[A]

Great. Okay, so you. You did your patented caterpillar dirt opener that you trademarked that you use all the time? Um, no. You. You chatted her up in the park. You chatted and obviously set up a date. So, yeah, catch me up. What. What's your question from. Or catch me up. What would you like to know?

[B]

How do you follow up properly? Because I'm in this awkward situation now that I've been in many times before where we're just kind of struggling to, I guess, find a time to actually go out. And I'm starting to worry that she's just going to lose interest. We were supposed to go hiking after work today, but at the last minute, she told me that last night she was out with some friends at a concert, and they won tickets to a different show tonight, which is totally valid. It's subtronics. I mean, I would go for free Subtronics tickets. So, yeah, like, she's not available, and I wasn't sure, like, how to handle it. I mean, I asked if she was down, like, tomorrow because the weather forecast improved, but I'm not sure at what point to just stop trying. If it's like she's trying to ghost me or something like that.

[A]

How many days ago did you first meet her?

[B]

This was Sunday.

[A]

All right, we're recording this on Friday, so it's been about five days.

[B]

Maybe it was Monday. I don't remember.

[A]

Yeah, like four or five days. Here's my view. If you definitely want a date with this woman, with any woman, keep in mind a couple things. Seven to 10 days is typically how long a good first date lead will last before it goes cold. Iron's always hot. So you always want to ask a woman out sooner rather than later, which you've done, which is great. Now she said, oh, you know, she had to change plans with you because of this other social event she decided to go to. And your question is, should you keep asking her out?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, because, remember, you cautioned me against, like, continuing to try to make plans, but, you know, I'm in. I'm in sales now. It's like, I'm pretty much going to follow up until something goes cold.

[A]

I think that's smart. Here's my view. I think. I know I said this to you when you were in the, you know, the couple months we were actively working together with a given woman. You want to go on a date with her, you assert what you want, which in this case would be a first date until you get it in a win win way, or until you get clear evidence that you won't get it. So clear evidence would be, A.J. i'm not interested. I just want to look at dirt and not date you. Fine. That's clear evidence. You can move on. But clear evidence wouldn't be, oh, you know, I need to reschedule. I need. I'm going to do something else tonight. That's where your sales training might be really helpful for you, where you say, hey, let's just get an answer from this lead one way or another. And whether. Whether it's yes or no, that's totally cool in my book. But that's how you get the dates as you show that persistence and charm.

[B]

Gotcha.

[A]

Yeah. So what I would do is you, by the way, the date you had, you had a date set up. Did you say you had one tonight and she canceled or you have one with her? Tonight?

[B]

No, no, no. Like we were supposed to go hiking after work today, like at 6 or so and. Yeah, and then like I followed up with her this morning just to confirm that we were still on. And then she let me know that her plans had changed.

[A]

Yeah, how did you confirm, by the way? Do you remember what you texted or can you tell me what you texted, roughly?

[B]

I have it right here, actually. What did I say? Morning. Let me know if we are on for this evening. How was the show? Because I know she said she went to a concert last night, so.

[A]

Okay, here's a preventative tip. Don't confirm a date the way you're confirming a business launch.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Hey, are we still on for tonight? When you ask a woman are we still on for tonight, you're opening the door up for her to go, oh, well, you know what, maybe we can reschedule because of XYZ reason. Don't want to do that. I. It's okay. You do want to confirm. You just want to confirm in a more light, playful way that assumes the date is still on. So here's a good way to confirm this. It's possible she might not have canceled on you, had you confirmed in a more. My old coach used to call it assumptive thinking. Let's assume the date is on and let her push back if it's not. So the wrong way to confirm a date is, hey, just confirming we're still on for tonight. No, good. That's probably great for your sales calls, but bad for first dates. Instead, you want to say something? What was the date? It was hiking.

[B]

Yeah? Yeah.

[A]

Cool. A great way to confirm would be, you know, day before or at the latest, early the day of. You would text her something like, hey, whatever, Katie, whatever her name is. I'll call her Katie. Hey, Katie. Can't wait for the trail tonight. The views of the mountains are going to be fantastic. Bring a canteen and bring some bugs. Bring some caterpillars. Where you talk about the date, you can confirm that way. And if she writes back, oh my God, lol. That sounds awesome. Because she doesn't want to cancel on you. She wants to be consistent with what she said she would do. But hey, maybe she wants to do this other thing. This. What was it? A concert?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Fair enough. I mean, it happens. She's allowed to change her mind. So we don't want to open the door to that if we can help it. Because people, there's a really great book called Influence by a guy named Robert Cialdini. It's a famous book about persuasion and how to persuade people you might know about it. And if you don't, it's really a great book. It's a classic book of human persuasion. He talks about this law of commitment and consistency. People just want to be consistent with what they say they're going to do. And when a woman agrees to a date, I don't like to open the door to her not going on the date. I don't want to make it easy for a woman. Easier for a woman to flake than she already might want to make it. So that's one tip I have for you. Confirm the date in a different way.

[B]

Okay, cool.

[A]

And if you can't find a funny way to confirm it, it can just be, oh, hey, is it cool if we meet 15 minutes later? Because I'm running a little bit behind. You could do it like that if you don't have something playful or fun. Because even. Because that's a really small ask now, she still might have rescheduled. She still might have said, hey, aj, you know what? This concert's coming up, but it's a little bit harder for her to do it without us giving her that opening.

[B]

That makes sense. All right, okay.

[A]

That's more of a preventative tip for next time. But you're. Are you asking so what to do next?

[B]

Actually, I think you gave me kind of enough to work with here, so. Okay, probably I'll keep following up with her, but next time, I keep it, like you said, a bit more assumptive, bit more playful. Yeah, cool.

[A]

You don't. And you don't. How long was your interaction with her on Sunday or, sorry, Monday. Whenever it was. How many minutes were you guys hanging out?

[B]

Dude, I don't know. I didn't set a timer, but, like, it was kind of at least 10, 20 minutes.

[A]

You didn't set a timer? Didn't I give you a clicker? Always record the number of minutes you talk to a woman.

[B]

Dude, maybe there's an app for that that we can make that. Will I just do it?

[A]

Okay, cool. 10 to 20 minutes is plenty of time to be able to ask for the date, which you did. And then I guess what I'm saying is don't feel like you can't ask for another three days. If anything, when a woman cancels on me, that's actually a really good time to say, hey, no worries. That concert sounds amazing. Totally understand. What day days do you want to grab for when you know, for the date you actually want to reschedule right away.

[B]

Got it. Okay, that's good.

[A]

You kind of are owed that, if I may be so bold. Not because you're a man. I just mean, hey, she agreed to make plans with you. The irons gets cooler every day that passes. So it's in your interest to be like, hey, no worries. I give every woman one free flake. One free flake card. Here you go. All good. I'm not going to get butt hurt about it, but I am going to reschedule with her pretty fast if I. If my schedule allows, just because I know the iron's going to get cooler every single day that passes.

[B]

Got it. Okay, cool.

[A]

Good question.

[B]

Yeah. So there's something else I wanted to ask you about. I know that would be just kind of brought up out of the blue, but. So I've been doing just a lot of stuff in my new city, right? Like, just trying to make new friends, get a new activities. I go to improv classes now, which is really fun.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Yeah, I know you've done that before too. I've been doing yoga as well. And I was wondering if you could tell me a bit about the nuances of social circle dating. The first question with that is like, so I'm part of a bunch of different communities now, and I've told you about some of them. And I keep running into this thing with women where I have taken some risks in, like, being more direct with some of the girls that I meet that I'm interested in, where I'll just ask them point blank, like, after the activity at the event or whatever that we're at, just like, hey, you want to go on a date? If it feels like we're vibing. And a lot of times so far, no one has told me that I'm a creep yet, which is great. But I won't lie. I definitely worry about it when it's a more intimate social thing because, you know, I don't want to rock the boat, but, you know, I get this answer where they're like, oh, my God, you're so sweet, but, like, I'm not dating right now. Do you just want to get coffee instead? And I'm not sure what to make of this. Like, if this is really just I'm not interested, or like, I'm not interested right now, but I still want to hang out and keep in touch. Because, like, if I was a girl and I wasn't interested, I would just say, like, I'm down to hang out here. I'm down to hang out in a Group. I wouldn't offer to get coffee. That sounds like a date, right?

[A]

Some different women move at a different rate of speed depending on the woman. And she might. Some women say, you know what? I'm definitely socially attracted to him. And so being socially attracted to a guy is actually a beautiful place, because that's the path to being romantically attracted to you. She might just not know you well enough to find out if she wants to date you. So, hey, let's meet for coffee. It's not the friend zone per se, but it is. Let's be friends or friendly first and then explore things, even if it's just socially. Okay. So I guess my answer for you would be, it depends on how intrigued and interested you are in getting to know her. If she's just dynamite and really intelligent and warm and beautiful, then I would definitely have the coffee hang. Worst case scenario, you end up with a really attractive female friend, which can be very valuable in social circle dating and just helps you be a more elevated guy with women and men in your life. And if it also creates some chemistry, a lot of women, the beautiful thing about what attracts women to men is you and I are attractions. Like a dimmer switch, Hot girl switch on, not hot or not our type switch off. Women are more like a dimmer switch instead of up and down switch. And so a coffee hang with you, more time in the improv class or whatever the social circle setting is. Women's emotions and romantic desires can get turned up just by being around you. So I would definitely consider it.

[B]

Okay. Yeah. So the main fear that I have around this is I really would love to just get coffee with these women and, like, hang out and just feel it out, you know? What I'm worried about is, like, I've been too afraid over the last, like, eight years or so to ever hop into, like, a friendship with a woman where there's any possibility of attraction from my end. Especially because last year, like, I did have to cut off one of my friends for, like, it got too deep. Like, the relationship was, like, way too intimate. And I was attracted to her, but she was dating another guy. And I finally was just like, this isn't working for me. Like, I just need space. I need to bounce, right? And she did not take it well. And so that's more what I'm afraid of is, like, I just don't know how to read these women if they're gonna get angry at me. Like, let's say I do hang out with them, right? And, like, it could just go Nowhere. But if I develop like feelings and they don't, I wouldn't really want to hang out with them anymore just because it would be bad for me. And that's why I'm afraid to even start is I was like, what if this is a gateway drug into harder stuff? You know?

[A]

So the ultimate fear here would be that you develop romantic feelings for a woman and she just sees you as a friend and feeling like that would hurt.

[B]

Yes. But even more so than that, like, I don't want to be another statistic where like I've just seen so many women on like Reddit or whatever just hammer men and be all like, what the fuck is wrong with men? Like they, they only are friends with women that they're attracted to. Or like, you know, fuck men for developing attraction out of a friendship or something like that. Right. And it looks as like a moral judgment on me that might reverberate through the social circle. That's more what I'm trying to avoid.

[A]

You trying to avoid showing up on a Reddit board?

[B]

Yeah. Or like, you know, if I do just like make how I would like to go about things is just have female friends and just like walk around and if I feel attracted to someone to just ask them out. But the reason I don't do that anymore is just because I'm afraid of like, if I do that then everybody else in the group might judge me and think that I was only hanging out with her because I wanted sex or something like that. Right, right.

[A]

These sound like some of those old stories that you and I spoke about in our very first phone call. Yeah, they're still there, these seeds of doubt. Are there. What do I, what catastrophe are you most trying to avoid? Right. Which is usually some variation of oh, I will be destroyed on Reddit or TikTok or shunned in society.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Like I don't want to get kicked out of the group and have a reputation where then no woman would ever like touch me with a ten foot pole. Right.

[A]

And that's an understandable fear, but it's not very real world. It's coming from a very psychologically healthy place. For what it's worth, it means you're normal and healthy and aware of your place in the world. You want to get along. You want to be a man in society, you know, who doesn't think this way. Sociopaths, creeps, men without empathy or kindness. So the very fact that you have these reservations is actually coming from a really great place at the same time. Sometimes too Much of a good thing can become something that creates resistance and fear. Bottom line is, you want to move toward what you want, take intelligent right action toward what you want, and not live your life in fear. Unless that fear is literally something you can actually be afraid of. And in my opinion, all the things that you've always been afraid of, never, ever, ever transpired, the worst thing you've had happen, to my knowledge, is, okay, a woman you were dating lost interest or an approach, she said, no, thanks. But have you ever shown up on TikTok, Reddit? Have you. Have you ever been flamed in some Facebook group to your knowledge?

[B]

I mean, not yet. It's easy for me to think that.

[A]

Not yet. Even your answer is, you're. You're. You're speaking through those. Those old beliefs of fear. Not yet. But, Connell, what if.

[B]

Right? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Let's look at this rationally. What would you like to do in your social circle? And I'll give you my honest answer. If. If you want to do something that seems societally strange or would get you in trouble, I'll tell you. I'll. I'll protect you as best I can. What do you want to.

[B]

Well, for starters, I want to be a bit more aggressive or perhaps authentic with dating in my communities. A big example is, like, my yoga studio. Right. I love this place. Like, it really vibes with me. I'm starting to make some good friends and stuff. But there's also girls that show up from time to time that I think are super hot or, like, they're totally my type, and I want more. And this has been something I've always wanted for myself, but felt really powerless to get it. And I would just wait for them to come to me, which. Which never happens.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And, yeah, so. And then I would be like, okay, but, you know, it's risky. So I'm just gonna keep coming back week after week. I saw that this girl comes to this class. I'll just come back here, and then I'd never see her again. Right? Because a lot of these people just come for one time and then don't ever come back, and I missed my shot.

[A]

Play out the thing that you're afraid of, though. What is the. What is the thing that you're afraid will happen that's creating the fear? Because this is all about fear. That's push against you. What are you afraid of?

[B]

I see this woman, I walk up to her, and I say very directly, like, I actually tell her why I'm talking to her. She's like, hey, like, I think you're so cute. Like, I love your outfit, whatever. And then, like, you know, she's like, you want to get coffee sometime? And all the other people in the yoga class, like, because I'm usually the only guy, like, they all overhear me and then they all look at me and go, like, hey, that's not appropriate. Like, this is a safe space. Like, we don't do sex stuff here. Like, you pervert. Okay, out of here.

[A]

I like it. You sound like you're on stage there. Like, you're going to be doing it in front of all these people. I think that you have slivers of. Of grains of genuine cautious, cautiousness. Fear. That's reasonable, but you're letting it grow into, like, giant stalks. Here's what I mean. Walking up to a woman, being really direct, saying, hey, you're really cute. I wanted to meet you. I would not do that in yoga class. All things equal, I would do that at the bar on Friday night. I would do it at. On a street corner, random place where you're probably never going to see her on the social circle again. A direct approach is powerful, but it's also polarizing. And you're going to get a big thumbs up or a big thumbs down. You know this because you've approached countless women since we first started working together. Right. So you've probably seen how you get a pretty polarizing answer often. Is that fair to say?

[B]

Actually, no, I don't always get a polarizing answer.

[A]

Okay, what do you typically get?

[B]

Well, even in the last couple weeks, it's like, sometimes I go up to them and they're just like, oh, cool, thanks. What's up? We just start talking and then I ask them out and they're like, I'm actually not single, but they did. They weren't threatened by me. They were just down to chat.

[A]

Great. Oh, I didn't mean to say that. Polarizing, meaning a lot of women would feel threatened. It's just that you're going to get a pretty quick answer. Yes, I'm into you. No, I'm not, or yes, I'm available to date you. No, I'm not. That's what I mean by polarizing.

[B]

Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[A]

And if you're going to get the whole I have a boyfriend thing, it's usually going to come off of a direct approach where a woman just isn't in the mood to be, quote, unquote, hit on or flirted with. That's what, that's the point I was trying to make. And so back to my suggestion. The way we approach a woman will change based on the social context. I would gravitate toward direct approaches in places like you just described at a park or a bar. Or you can go direct or indirect out. Let's call it in the wild versus social circle. In the wild approach is your choice. Be direct, be indirect, tell her she's cute, Tell her that you want to know that if she's looking at bugs in the dirt, either can work at your yoga studio. I actually agree with you that the right way to approach that woman as you describe that situation would be more indirect than social. Playful or. Sorry, not playful, friendly, friendly. Where you would approach her, quote unquote, you would go up to her after class or maybe before class and just have a normal, authentic social conversation for a minute or two, get to know her, make some small talk. And you're, you're looking to your readings, you're reading signals and also trying to create some signals. And then that's how you can then know that you can take the next step without doing anything, that the room is going to turn and say, you know, like Game of Thrones shame. You know, you just walk up and say, hey, that's a really cool yoga mat. Well, what color is that? And you're just shooting the shit. Which. Do you think you're gonna get the, the shame from the rest of the room if you do that?

[B]

Not at all. And that's how I've been going about it.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I also, usually in that scenario, like, the woman doesn't really engage with me that much, which is maybe that's just the signal that I'm looking for, which is I'm not interested. I was more wondering if it was me not being direct enough or just like them just not being interested and I'm doing it right.

[A]

Well, we'd have to dive deeper into the conversations you're having with women in a social circle setting like this. But essentially you want to, you want to create social rapport. Get her name, give her yours. Still, you still want to do what I call, what I call man to woman communication, but not necessarily in a direct way. It's more about being expressive, still playful, fun, not necessarily flirty, although you can start to do that. And then how does she respond to those signals? Right. And if you get a sense that she's just not feeling it other than as a friendly chit chat after class, then you don't ask her out and you don't have to risk the group's finger wagging. But you've, you've gone on enough dates and approached enough women by now to be able to read when a woman is socially interested and maybe starting to get romantically interested, right?

[B]

I suppose, yeah. Like if she's, you know, talking back to me or like sort of body language is shifting more towards rather than away. Yeah. So then like, what would you do to like, try to get her number or whatever? Just like, hey, you want to hang out sometime?

[A]

Or like, well, before you think, how do I get her number? I always like to think, okay, how can I make her feel good? How can I have a good conversation with her? You're going to get what you first give. So I'm thinking, all right, I want to have a good two minute conversation with this woman and try to make her day better. Maybe show interest in yoga, but maybe talk about things outside of yoga that might help make a stronger impact. Not that you. I'm not saying don't talk about yoga, but I've never done yoga class types of approaches. I've never been a big group gym group class guy. But the closest parallel I have would be the improv community. I'm a part of and used to be a bigger part of when I was single and socializing where I would just talk with women and other people in the class before and after and then. And I would play a longer game. Here we're talking an 8 or 10 or 12 week course and I would just focus on being good company, being present, talking to women one on one. But I'm not thinking, okay, I must ask her out. It would be a, it'd be a longer play, be a slower. It is a social circle dating and approaching or social circle attraction is a longer play. Typically it's a longer play. It's not like, oh, I'll talk to her for two minutes after class and then get her number. That's possible. But some, a lot of planets have to align for that to happen. Just so I understand the context, the, the yoga setting you're describing, is it a group class where the same people are there all the time or is it different people filtering in and out?

[B]

That's the thing. If it was a group where it was the same people there all the time, I would, I initially wanted to do what you were describing. That's what I was expecting. I would say that some of the people are there all the time. Like obviously it's the same instructor community and that's like the core group, but it's actually kind of different people every time. Other than me. Okay, yeah.

[A]

All right.

[B]

So that was what threw me off is I was like, well, I just missed my shot because like, this person's never going to come back. I'm never going to see them again. I mean, not a big deal, but it did get me curious of like, well, then nothing bad would have happened if I had just gone up and shot my shot. Right. Even if the odds were low.

[A]

That's good to know. That's really good context. You don't have to worry as much about. I'm not going to have to see this woman every week, probably if it gets awkward or doesn't go the way you want, that's a nice free thing to not have to worry about.

[B]

So.

[A]

Okay, well, you could do this then. Here's what I used to do when I went to drop in improv classes. Do you know what a drop in class is?

[B]

Yeah, that's what I go to as well.

[A]

Oh, there you go. Basically, it's a drop in is, you know, you might see some recurring people, but it's different people every week, at least in my experience. And I remember there was one improv Saturday years and years ago where there was just a really attractive, charming, interesting woman who was totally my type, I thought. And I was single at the time. And I just remember thinking, okay, all I want to do you want a small chunk this? AJ I just said, okay, let me see if we can start a conversation in last two minutes. Because one of the core things that you and I worked on, and maybe you remember this, is I said to you once, when you approach a woman, your first goal is you just want to. After getting over the approach anxiety, you just want to get to the two minute mark. It takes two minutes of one on one conversations with a woman who you just met. 2 minutes minimum for you to have a reasonable possible chance of a phone number and a date. Any less than that, and then she just doesn't have enough experience with you. So at this improv class, it let out on a Saturday afternoon, I walked up to her and I said, hey, that was a really awesome scene you did playing the doctor. And you know, she's a cute brunette. And we chatted and I remember we walked out together and I made it so that we were walking out together. I tried to. And we just were walking in the same direction. And we, we walked for about three to five minutes. We were both heading the same direction. And then finally it came to that point where it was time to part ways. But by then I'd hadn't I'd gotten three or four minutes of conversation with her, and that was enough for me to say, hey, by the way, would you like to do numbers sometime? It'd be nice to talk to you sometime and maybe get coffee and get to know you better. And I wish I had a success story to share. She had a boyfriend. She wasn't interested or she wasn't available, but she was flattered.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I was within my rights to ask because she was talking to me. I had signals, she was walking with me. But the first things first. I would say you just want to try to get to the two minute mark if possible. And if you do, maybe there's another minute you can steal. Maybe there's another minute. And if not, then I would hold off on waiting until the next time you see her. Because if you can't get those two minutes of one on one conversation, there's really no point in even going for a number.

[B]

That makes sense. Yeah. And by the way, I would. I would call that a success. Like, you had a good conversation. Like nobody kicked you out of the community. Right. And it was just that she wasn't available. I mean, that's just the name of the game. But it's like you did everything right. I would be happy with that, you know?

[A]

Oh, no, I was really chuffed that I did it. There were many times I didn't do it and wanted to. I wimped out. But this day I said, okay, I really want to just see if I can make something happen. And I had other dating successes and dated women in improv classes, and plenty of times I didn't hit on anybody. I just was taking the improv class. But I think a bigger thing that might help you here in our time left is I feel like you have an understandable but a limiting belief about it's wrong or weird to seek romance in a social circle.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. Like, unless it, quote unquote, happens naturally without you doing anything. Like, if the woman sort of comes

[A]

to you, that's natural.

[B]

I mean, I've seen it happen.

[A]

Sometimes the natural. Is that the natural state of men and women, the woman comes to you?

[B]

I don't know. Probably not.

[A]

Homo sapiens are, what, a couple hundred thousand years old. Who do you think has done more approaching men toward women or women toward men in nature?

[B]

Okay, yeah, I know where you're going with this. Probably men towards women.

[A]

Yeah. Men. Men take action. Women receive, Men lead, women follow. Within reason, lead the dance. I mean, now, there's exceptions to this, but Generally speaking, man act, woman react. Men lead the dance, women follow. So that's. You're actually quite. You're doing your natural job as a man to take that chance.

[B]

You are. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So I think your limiting belief is like, oh, well, it's. It's not natural for me to do it. It's actually the most natural thing in the world. It's only 200,000 years old. It's only how our species has procreated

[B]

for a couple more. Gotten this far. Yeah, right.

[A]

I'm not saying it's unnatural for a woman to give you signals or to come up to you. I'm just saying it's. It's not the usual. It's not the standard, okay? Men lead, women follow. So your job as the man is to go talk to that woman who you are interested in or at least interested in talking to. Now the question is how we do it in social circle. So we want to be more indirect, want to be more light and playful and not like sexual. Keep it G rated, keep it light, keep it playful. But yeah, I feel like you got this belief that says, oh, it's wrong for me to do it. I think it's right for you to do it. I mean, it's. It's what you. It's what we do as men. And I feel like the other belief that might be holding you back is, is that it's somehow weird or wrong for a man to make a move, make a. Make a. Take a risk. Here's the kind of behavior that could get a guy in trouble with his social circle. He approaches a woman, she says, oh, you know, she shows he's not interested, she's not interested, and he stalks her and follows her home. That's not you, obviously. Not anywhere near you.

[B]

Right.

[A]

The women, men don't get in trouble for taking a romantic risk. The only time men get in trouble is they take a romantic risk. The woman says no, and he says, you fucking bitch. Or he doesn't take no for an answer. That's harassment. That's literally harassment. Feel free to reread. Chapter 13 of my book is the Me Too chapter, the how to date in the MeToo era chapter. You might want to reread that where I talk about some of these things. Like, hey, Connell, is it weird and creepy to take a shot at love? No. That's what our job is. It's weird and creepy to not take no for an answer and follow her home and turn into Joe from you. Joe from you. He's gonna get in trouble on TikTok and Reddit, you're just a dude chatting up a cute girl in a yoga class. And if she seems interested, at least socially, keep chatting for another minute. If she doesn't, you can read that as maybe she's not interested or just this isn't the place where she flirts. And then you can pull back and you don't have to be afraid of getting in trouble.

[B]

Right? And then in that second case, I can like stalk her and find out where she does flirt and then follow her home from there. But

[A]

she wants me to. She's playing hard to get. Look, I've approached more women than 99 point something percent of men, and I'm happy to say I've never had any. Knock on wood. Never had any kind of weird issue with getaway creep you're making you're doing. This is terrible. Certainly never had any kind of harassment issue. Can't say it would never happen. I highly doubt it. Because I have a girlfriend. I only approach with my clients. No, the guys who get in trouble in these areas, and they're very few and far between, but it's guys who are just not you and not this listener of this podcast. The very fact that you're worried about this shows that you're not that guy.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

The worry is understandable. But I'm sorry, go ahead.

[B]

I had one last thing I wanted to ask you about, if that's okay.

[A]

Go ahead.

[B]

Okay. So I think you might appreciate this one. This is on the vein of, like, you know, what do I say right when I'm flirting with a woman? So I tried going out to the bars recently with one of my friends who's gay, she's a lesbian, good friend of mine, and we were going to go to wingman each other. Right?

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I've never done this before. I've never had or been a wingman. But as it turns out, I'm a great wingman for gay women because I have the gaydar. Like, I. Because of who I am. Right? Like, you know, I drive a Subaru Forester and I'm into improv and rock climbing and like, outdoor adventure.

[A]

Like, you might be a gay woman, A.J.

[B]

i am. Yes. I am a lesbian. So I'm really gay for gay women. And so whenever I would inevitably meet gay women, I would pass them off to my friend, like, hey, have you met my friend? And so I was great. But then I inevitably ended up stag because I was so good at setting up my friend. And I ran into this issue that I've run into a lot before, which is why I just hate bars. I hate parties. Like, I've just had no success in these venues. And it's because, like, I get cockblocked. Like, even if I did have the courage to approach, like, the gorgeous woman and, like, we were talking about, her friends would inevitably come up with, like, a reason to pull her away and then shoot me a dirty look. Right, okay. Like, it's like, they could tell what I wanted, and, like, they immediately would just, like, without being direct about it. Like, just, you know, oh, hey, look at this on my phone here. Why don't you sit here? And then just, like, leave me awkwardly standing there next to this group of friends. And to be clear, like, I did introduce myself to the whole group as well. Like, in this one instance, like, the woman was standing kind of off to the side that I was talking to. And so, like, it. It flowed organically. It wasn't like I just barged into a closed circle and, like, pulled someone out of it. Right. But that was really confusing. I just don't know if you run into that or like, how you, A, do stuff in bars and B, like, when people are out in groups and if you're single or you have one other friend, like, how you keep from just being rejected, not by her, but by, like, her friends.

[A]

Do you know what caused the social rejection? Like, what they were feeling about you? Did you get a sense?

[B]

No, I don't. I have no idea. I just concluded that it was because I was a creep or something, you know? But I don't know.

[A]

Dude, could you. You're the. You're among the least creepy humans I know. After me and my two cats. They're not human, but I think of them as humans. There's nothing creepy about you. Zero. If anything's creating a sense of creepiness, it's. It's self consciousness, which reads as insecure, which reads as tentative, and that comes across as a little bit soft and tentative to women, and that can actually make them feel uncomfortable. And then they mistake you for a creep or not a creep, but quote weirdo. So repeat after me. I, AJ I, AJ have 0.0 creepiness in my body.

[B]

Have 0.0 creepiness in my body.

[A]

Because if I can walk up to a woman in a park,

[B]

because if I can walk up to a woman

[A]

in a park and talk about dirt

[B]

and bugs and talk about dirt and

[A]

bugs and get a date or at least get a number, ain't nothing creepy happening. You get it, right?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I think, look, I wasn't there. I can't read their minds. Who knows? Maybe they're being defensive. They're, like, protecting their group. Maybe. Maybe the last guy who came up to them was a creepy weirdo and they were taking it out on you. You really want to walk through the world as best you can, especially in a loud, large, a loud, intense environment like a bar or club, and just say, look, I make no apologies for my desires as a man and my socializing, and there is nothing creepy about you. You're the opposite of creepy. Let's stop using that word. What's the opposite of creepy? What adjective is the opposite of that?

[B]

Lovable, accepted, acceptable.

[A]

I like that. AJ the lovable. There's your new higher self name to test drive. Go out this weekend, walk up to a group of women and say, hi, I am lovable. That's really. I love that. That's really good. Seriously. I'm gonna do that tonight with my client Chris. We're going out tonight. I'm gonna give him the lovable opener.

[B]

Let me know how that goes for you. That sounds awesome.

[A]

I'm only half kidding. The words we use make a huge difference in how we walk, talk, feel. Words matter, right? I know. You don't literally say the C word when you're out in a club, I assume, but I know you're thinking it. Oh, creepy, creepy, creepy. Am I being creepy? Am I creeping out?

[B]

No, it's not just that. It's like. I just don't know what to say to these people because, like, well, one, I don't drink, so I'm not drunk, right? I'm stone cold sober in these. In these places, and I just don't know what, like, how people play. Like, what do you talk about? Right? That's just. I just don't know. It's a lot different than just being in a park where you can just be yourself and talk about your interests.

[A]

Let's end on that, then. Let's talk about what to talk about. That's a great question. Yeah, give me a context. Give me a hypothetical. Something that's happened or something that might happen where you're not sure what to talk about or what to say. Paint a scene for me and I'll guide you.

[B]

Great. Well, let's go back to the scene then, because I've been thinking about it a lot. Like, okay, you're on a rooftop bar, right? It's packed, like, elbow room only kind of a thing, right? Everyone's standing, and you're. You're there by yourself, but almost everybody else there is in groups. Because my observation here has just been women don't really go out single.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Yeah, they. And for obvious reasons. Right. I'm sure it feels safer to just be in a group or like. Anyway, I saw this, like, gorgeous woman in this striking red dress, and she's standing at the head of a table where her friends are seated at the table, but she's kind of standing because there's not enough room for everybody and she's not talking to anybody. So I walk up to her and I just introduce myself and go, hey, look, I just saw you from over there. Like, I just love your dress. Like, you look gorgeous tonight. And she's like, oh, my God, thank you. And, you know, start just talking. And that's where I think the conversation got really boring because I was just asking her about, oh, what are you up to? Like, you know, what do you do? And she's like, in a med student or something, which was really cool. I was like, oh, my God, you must be a genius. And she laughed. But, yeah, I just didn't know what to talk about. I was like, I have no idea how to be flirty in this context. And it was such a weird dynamic where it's like, you have this big group of friends. I have nobody. Like, if I try to pull you away anywhere, talk to you one on one, like, they're going to be like, who the is this guy?

[A]

Did the. Did the fact that you were there by yourself, was that getting you in your head?

[B]

Absolutely.

[A]

Okay, the first thing is you want to say, I'm friends with everybody here. You're just a guy in a bar. So again, I drone on and on about mindset, and that's 80% of success with women. But it's true. It's like if you walk around feeling like you're the odd man out, that's going to come out in your voice, your body language, something. Because you're going to be. You feel what you focus on, Right? We feel what we focus on in life. So if you feel you're the weird guy because you're alone, then I'm not saying you're going to be weird, but it's going to make you more insecure and less confident. Right. So the real issue isn't what to say, although that's important. Those are the mechanics. The issue is your mindset is like, oh, I don't belong here. Or they might think I'm strange because I'm. I'm by myself. Here's What I want you to do next night, you go out, walk up, face your fear. Hey, just saw you ladies. I'm here by myself, but I'm lovable.

[B]

That's such a great line.

[A]

Own it. Women don't give a fuck if you came with an entourage or if you came by yourself. They're just. All they care about is, oh, here's a guy who's here to socialize. I wonder if he brings value to my life. She doesn't judge you on how many people you're with.

[B]

Do you actually believe that? It's not like they're like, who the hell is this guy? Why doesn't he have friends?

[A]

You know how many times I went out solo?

[B]

No, I don't.

[A]

I can't. I can count on one hand. I went out dozens of times solo. I can count on two fingers the amount of times women even asked me who I was there with. And zero times I was judged for being solo. Zero. They might have said, hey, who are you here with? And I might have said, oh, I'm. I'm out solo. I might have said, oh, I'm meeting friends later. I might have had a little cover story. Feel free to use a little cover story. Hey, who are you here with, aj. Oh, I'm meeting some friends in a little bit. Just. Just. Just me for now. If that makes you feel more confident, go with that. But if you really want to blast this fear out of your system. And so much of getting what you want with women and dating and how you feel is about not literally, figuratively facing that fear. Walk up and say, hey, group of nine women, I'm here solo. I'm aj. And face the thing you're afraid of. If anything, they'd probably be impressed that you're solo and talking to them. But chances are they just were like, oh, hi. Hi, aj. By yourself. What's up? They probably won't care. Tonight I'm going out with my client, Chris. He's scared to death of being the weird old guy because he's over 40. So guess what?

[B]

You live in New York, don't you?

[A]

He's walking up to 22 year olds. His opener is, hi, I'm in my 40s.

[B]

I have terrified.

[A]

He flew to New York City to help me torture him. But with love, it's. There's just so many things that come up and scare us, right? And the only way to beat them is to face them. Like, Tony Robbins has a good line about this. He was like, you know what? Everything we're afraid of it's all in your head, but it feels real. So what you do is you grab your chair and whip because there's a lion. You think there's a lion there. So you grab your chair, you grab your whip, you face it with courage, and then you find out, oh, wait, there's no lions, just kitty cats. Now, with dating for you, the lion is, oh, I'm gonna be creepy and weird, or I'm the weird guy by himself and they're gonna look at me less in a lesser way.

[B]

Right, Right.

[A]

And unless you can prove, you got to give your brain evidence that that's. I can't talk you into feeling that way. I mean, I can give you the pump, the pep talk, but your brain needs proof, not my promises. So if you really want to blast this out of your system this weekend, go out solo and make, maybe make a couple of social approaches, just be friendly with a couple people, make some bar friends. Now you have a couple of safe bases, which might give you some, a little bit of that social momentum that you like. So you are with a couple people. I'm not saying you have to pretend like you're, you're with people, but it might help you to just chat a couple people in a friendly way and then walk up to women and say hi to whoever you want. And if the topic of who are you here with comes up, just, ah, that's just me tonight. I'm solo, but I'm lovable.

[B]

I like that's the mindset tonight. Yeah.

[A]

Pardon.

[B]

I think I might try that tonight. Since I do it.

[A]

It's so fun. It's horrifying at first, but it's so powerful. Do the thing that scares you. Here was the My big. Other than just approaching women, which was the scary thing for me for 38 years, then the next thing was, I'm so afraid to say the word sexy. I'm so afraid. That's so weird to walk up to a woman and call her sexy. And one of the biggest nights of my life was my coach, Anthony, a guy named Anthony Russinello. Great guy, he's on Instagram. He's a kick ass coach. One of my better coaches. We went out one night and Anthony said, all right, well, I think I said it actually, but he supported me. We said, connell, the only way you can approach women tonight is you must start with you're sexy. I was petrified. First three or four were very wobbly, very like, this is at a rooftop bar, Plunge lounge in Meatpacking district of New York City. I Don't think it's there anymore. I mean, it's not called that. Anyway, first three or four approaches at this rooftop bar, I was like, hi, you're sexy. And they're like, okay, great, bye. It wasn't mean, but it was like, no, thanks. Through four or five your sexy icebreakers into the night, I started feeling a little better. Started kind of owning it. Owning it. And I remember half dozen in. And also I wasn't really feeling it. I was doing it as an exercise at first, which is okay. But then I started to feel it. Here's where that authenticity really starts to show benefits. So I was like, whoa, Anthony, look at that hottie over there. Fuck. He's like, yeah, she's hot. Go talk to her. I walk over, hey, what's up? You are so sexy. And she looked at me like, hey, you're pretty cute too. Instant

[B]

wow.

[A]

Yeah. By the way, I don't remember if we. We didn't date or anything. I don't even know if I. I probably got her number. I don't think I ever met her after that night. I mean, but it was like that instant. Like, hey, you can go. Go up to women at a bar at night and say you're sexy. And a lot of them like it and some of them weren't into it. But the more I owned it and the more I started to believe it, that's when it actually started to work as a self fulfilling prophecy. So for your version of that, might be, hey, you guys, I'm out solo tonight. Just meeting people. Don't. Don't make it weird. Don't say, is it weird that I'm out? Don't do that. But yeah, go out tonight. Say, hey, what's up? I'm out. I'm out meeting people. I'm here solo, just making friends. How are you? What's up? I'm A.J. or whatever you might say. So basically, face the fear. That's what Chris will do tonight, hopefully, if he does what I ask him to. Now what to talk about, though? Pretty simple, I think. Do you remember how long the conversation was with the woman in the red?

[B]

It wasn't that long. We were talking for maybe like two or three, maybe five minutes before her, you know, friend stepped in. But yeah, okay.

[A]

It sounds like you got stuck into asking a lot of questions.

[B]

Probably.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that's okay. That's normal. Questions aren't something to be afraid of. I like to think. Here's a. Here's a. This is. This might sound like mediocre Game, verbal game. But it's actually not a bad thing to say, is you. You walk up to that woman, hey, red dress. You have great style. You said something like that, right? You're beautiful. Great style.

[B]

Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

So you can keep talking about that. This the topic. So the way you break the ice with a woman. Think of that opening icebreaker as a conversation thread, and you can keep pulling that thread. In this case, it would be the thread of her or the topic of style. Her style, your style, men's style, women's style. You talk about that for a minute or two.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Keep talking about the thing that you use to break the ice. That's the simplest way to do it. Hey, excuse me. I just saw you. You have an amazing red dress. You have great style. She loved it, apparently. And then you might ask her about her style philosophy, or you might say, can I ask you, what do you think of my style? My dating coach tells me it needs improvement.

[B]

You haven't seen me recently. I dress well now. Before.

[A]

Before. But that first thread, what you talk about the topic doesn't matter that much as long as it kind of makes sense in that world. So I like to keep it simple. Break the ice with whatever compliment, a question, or an observation. In this case, it was an observation that you turned into a compliment. Right. Pull the thread. Oh, clothes. Style. Your clothes. My clothes. Fine. That'll last a minute or two. Then get her name. Did you introduce yourself and get her name?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Great. Awesome. Now you're not two strangers. You're two people getting to know each other. AJ and red dress, cutie. And then all you got to do then is switch to a second topic. And that second topic can literally be like, look around you. I like to literally look around the environment. What is the next thing we should talk about? Why they're all out together, or, you know, how she knows them.

[B]

Or maybe there's something literally how the conversation went that's exactly like that. Yeah, okay.

[A]

Yeah, that's fine. Keeping it light. Now, the only thing I noticed as you were retelling your interaction with her was, was you asked a lot of questions. If you find yourself asking, like, three straight questions, interrupt that pattern and share something about you. What? What did she know about you? What did she learn about you?

[B]

Gotcha. Oh, well, I think I did. I was like, yeah, you know, I just moved here, like, you know, three weeks ago. I'm from California, and I don't remember the whole conversation because it was, like, a couple weeks ago. At this point.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I will say, I think part of the problem was. Yeah, when I walked up to her, I don't think I was feeling very confident. And then she gave me a sort of like, she was still talking to me and making eye contact and stuff, but it wasn't like, it was sort of lukewarm. And then that was when I was like, she wants me to leave. Like, fuck. Like, I need to get out of here.

[A]

How many other women had you approached before her?

[B]

Gosh, actually a lot.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

I'd gotten rejected a lot up to that point. And so I think that was also playing into it.

[A]

Okay, just wondering, because if that was like your first one of the night, then that's different. But you had some social momentum. You were taking action, I should say.

[B]

Yeah, I would say so.

[A]

Okay. I would say think of an approach. Like, I want to make an impact, a positive impact. How do I make a positive impact? If you primarily ask questions, it's hard to be impactful. You're making her do the work. I like to think about what am I thinking and feeling? Or what's a really honest, real raw opinion. You're a very honest, opinionated guy. Share that. How do you. How do you feel about. Okay, you know, we know how you feel about her red dress. How do you feel about the. The drink she has, the way she looked at you? How do you feel about the environment? You love the bar? Do you hate the bar? Do you love the music? Do you hate the music? I like to use love and hate a lot. The words literally. Oh, I love this place. This music is often awesome, but I fucking hate that DJ over there. He never plays the good shit or whatever. So you can use language. It makes a stronger impact. Um, but all of the what to say and topic based things and flirting and what to say is so important. It's what I teach more than anything. Works best when it's built on that foundation of I am lovable. I am. I have so much value to offer the world and offer people. And I would like this woman to like me, but I don't need her to.

[B]

Nice. Okay.

[A]

Yeah. So we want to come at that place from like, oh, I'm here to make an impact in a positive way. I hope. It's sort of like we want to get her reacting. I'll leave you with it or I'll end shortly here with this. This is kind of a big picture thing. It's kind of an advanced thing for guys like you who have done a ton of approaching. I want to test drive this as well. In every approach between a man and a woman, when a man approaches, there's one person who is doing more, who is, who is in action mode and there's one person who is in receiving mode. Or put another way, there's one person who is being more reactive and the other person who is being more active, if that makes sense. Both in words you say, but also emotionally reactive. Emotionally emotionally centered and solid and giving would be, oh, I'm making an impact. I'm going to say this funny thing. She's going to love it. I just feel in the zone. I love sharing. Emotionally reactive. Is, does she like me? Am I a creep? Is this working in your interaction with the red woman dressed. Red dressed woman who was get. Who was reacting more to whom.

[B]

I think I was reacting more to her because like I was coming at it from like really looking at the way she was reacting to me and then wanting to like, to fix that. Right? Yeah, like finding my worth or like, oh, no, I think, I think I'm doing something wrong because she's like, yeah,

[A]

right, no more of that. Or at least no more, no more doing it without thinking about it. I want you to be the white billiard ball and women at a bar or a park or out in the world. They're the striped and colored billiard balls and you are, boom, impacting them. If you're standing there and you're letting yourself fall down this little mental rabbit hole of oh, does she like me? Am I enough? Am I a creep? What do I say? You're reacting to her and that takes away your masculine core essence. And that's not something women are looking to fuck. They're looking to. They're looking to date fuck. Connect with their feminine. They want to receive, right? You want to be that billiard ball that smacks into them figuratively, literally, later, if it goes really well. But you want that to be that action. She's. That's the state of nature. Masculine, feminine action reaction. If I can be candid here. Penis enters, vagina receives. Literally. Right? Men ask women to dance. Women say yes or no. So we want to be that active force now. A positive force, a beautiful force, a heartfelt one, kind. All the wonderful things that you are. But yeah, boom, I'm a man, you're a woman. You're going to react to me or try to. Or I'm going to try to get you reacting to me. Because that's what she wants as well. If she senses you are in your head saying or doing the thing that you think needs to be said or done or, quote, insecure women don't use this language I'm using. But they're like, oh, he's not. He's not what I want. And that's nothing to do with your value. It's just like, oh. Again, women don't say, he's being reactive. But bottom line is, she's not feeling the way that she wants to feel when her feminine side is lit up and impacted by a fun, funny man who's on his path and who can't be moved emotionally can't be hurt.

[B]

Yeah, I like that. Thank you for sharing.

[A]

Yeah, I was just doing this last week. I had a client in town who was visiting from Taiwan, Aaron, and he was, quote, unquote, reacting to women to an extent. And I said, cool. Your next three approaches, I want you to get them reacting to you. Now, part of this is social. I'm also saying I want you to make statements, share, give. Get her responding to your energy. So part of it is a social dynamic, but it's also an emotional being. Being on the being on the action side, not the receiving side. So we did a few approaches, and I said, I don't care what you say. I just want her to react to your essence. Get her responding to you and stand there like, you know, like a solid rock, and let her respond to you. He did a few approaches, and you could just see the feminine just go, ooh, who is this guy who just came up to me? And his approaches started going a lot better.

[B]

Nice.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Awesome. Well, I actually need to get going.

[A]

Connell, how dare you? Dude your marching orders. Then I'll leave you with this.

[B]

Go.

[A]

Whatever you do tonight or this weekend with approaching, just remember, you are the masculine. You are acting upon her in a positive way, but a dominant way. You act, she responds, whether it's energetically, emotionally, or both. That night with Anthony, I was walking up to him and saying, hey, you're sexy. They were responding to my masculine essence, and it started to go pretty well. So feel free to test drive that if you want.

[B]

Sweet. Will do.

[A]

All right, man. Thank you. By the way, thank you for listening to this podcast. Dear listener, if you would like me to help you go approach women and make you walk up to women and say weird things like, I'm lovable, go to datingtransformation.com you can book a free call with me that way. Thank you so much for listening.