Ep 178 | Tips and Truth from High Achieving Women with ADHD

Summary

Podcast Summary: How to Sell Your Stuff on Etsy
Episode: Ep 178 | Tips and Truth from High Achieving Women with ADHD
Host: Lizzie Smiley
Release Date: April 24, 2025

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1. Introduction and Announcements

Lizzie Smiley opens the episode by sharing exciting updates and upcoming events:

• Mindset Workshop (05:30):

  • Lizzie: “Coming up on May 15, Jenny from the Shop and I are doing our very first mindset workshop. We are going to meet with you and teach you about the mindset to become from zero to a hundred K Etsy seller.”
  • Focus on identifying and overcoming limiting beliefs to build a successful six-figure Etsy shop.

• Live AI Workshop for Wall Art (07:00):

  • Lizzie: “Tonight, we are going to have our live AI workshop for wall art. Learn how to make printable wall art using AI, find high-demand, low-competition trends, and optimize your products for Etsy SEO.”
  • Emphasis on using AI to create scalable, high-quality products for semi-passive income.

• Membership Opportunity (08:15):

  • Lizzie: “I have been testing the waters to see if any of you would be interested in an all-inclusive membership with me. Access to all my courses, workshops, and trendspotting membership for a monthly fee.”
  • Encourages listeners to participate in a survey if interested.

Promotion:

• Profit Tree Tool (06:15):
  • Lizzie: “Profit Tree is the only Etsy automated profit tracking and ads optimization tool on the market today. Currently offering lifetime access for a limited time.”
  • Highlights the tool’s benefits in tracking profits and optimizing Etsy ads, linked to Episode 174 with Hannah.

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2. Main Discussion: ADHD in High-Achieving Women

Guests:

• Caroline Smiley: Lizzie’s sister, also diagnosed with ADHD in her youth.

Key Themes:

• ADHD as a Superpower (10:00):

  • Lizzie: “I really want to talk through some of the ways that I cope with ADHD or how I actually use it as a superpower.”
  • Both sisters share how ADHD contributes positively to their professional success.

• Personal Experiences and Diagnosis (12:00):

  • Caroline: Diagnosed in eighth grade due to academic struggles, took medication as a teen, but has been medication-free since undergrad.
  • Lizzie: Likely undiagnosed until her late 30s, post-childbirth, showing ADHD symptoms.

• ADHD Traits and Professional Impact (14:00):

  • Caroline: “I have a lot of high energy, creativity, adaptability... These make me a much stronger professional.”
  • Lizzie: Highlights ADHD-related challenges like disorganization but emphasizes that tasks still get done, sometimes better through hyperfocus.

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3. Detailed Exploration of ADHD Traits

Interactive Segment: Listing and Identifying ADHD Traits (25:00 - 43:00)

• Lizzie introduces a list of 16 common ADHD traits, and both sisters respond with “Yes” or “No” and share personal anecdotes:

  1. Difficulty with Time Management (14:07)

     • Caroline: “Bigly, yeah. I don’t.”

  2. Hyperfocus (14:09)

     • Both acknowledge hyperfocus abilities.

  3. Disorganization (14:20)

     • Caroline: Struggles to maintain tidy workspaces but knows where everything is.

  4. Impulsivity (16:36)

     • Lizzie: Occasionally impulsive in business; Caroline: Less so, but admits to impulsive shopping.

  5. Emotional Sensitivity (17:17)

     • Both describe heightened empathy and emotional reactivity.

  6. Low Self-Esteem (17:33)

     • Lizzie: Overcame low self-esteem from childhood struggles. Caroline: Maintains confidence despite ADHD challenges.

  7. Chronic Distraction (19:21)

     • Caroline: Easily distracted, making it hard to stay on task.

  8. Procrastination (19:55)

     • Both identify with procrastination, especially on daunting tasks.

  9. Strong Creativity and Problem-Solving Skills (21:37)

     • Both excel in creative thinking and unique problem-solving.

  10. Difficulty with Routines and Structure (22:08)

      • Caroline: Desires more morning routine; Lizzie: Prefers flexibility but has some structure due to family needs.

  11. Feelings of Overwhelm (25:15)

      • Both acknowledge feeling overwhelmed by responsibilities but manage through resilience.

  12. Sensitivity to Rejection or Criticism (27:25)

      • Caroline: Feels rejection deeply, especially from close sources.

  13. High Energy Levels (29:28)

      • Both exhibit high energy, though it can lead to restlessness.

  14. Need for Novelty and Stimulation (35:27)

      • Caroline: Seeks creative outlets; Lizzie: Engages in varied projects to maintain interest.

  15. Difficulty with Prioritization (42:41)

      • Struggle to prioritize tasks, often driven by interest levels.

  16. Strong Intuition (43:34)

      • Both possess high emotional intelligence and empathy, beneficial for building relationships.

Notable Quotes:

• Caroline on Creativity:
  [35:30] “I will get a wild hair about something in my house and I'll have like, furniture or art, your design, and I will have to change it.”

• Lizzie on Emotional Sensitivity:
  [27:32] “I feel like I'm very hyper aware to micro rejections.”

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4. Strategies for Managing ADHD in Professional Life

Organization Techniques:

• Caroline’s Approach (45:40):

  • Caroline: “I make lists and translate them into calendar events based on urgency. I look at my calendar about 50 times a day as a visual reminder.”

• Lizzie’s Approach (46:10):

  • Lizzie: Uses a combination of a digital calendar for bookings and a paper planner for personal tasks.

Motivation Tactics:

• Caroline:

  • Motivated by: Fear of failure, competitive spirit, and desire for a comfortable lifestyle.
  • Lizzie: Finds motivation in loving her work and the dopamine hit from completing projects.

• Lizzie on Motivation: [49:34] “I get such a dopamine hit from work and from attacking projects and from completing projects and from creating something new.”

Refocusing Tools:

• Caroline:

  • Uses timers to manage distractions and maintain focus.
  • Caroline: “If I know I need that 20-minute break, I'll set a timer. When it goes off, it's time to get back to work.”

• Lizzie: Struggles with digital calendars but is exploring task management tools to stay organized.

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5. Misconceptions About ADHD, Especially in Women

Common Misconceptions:

• ADHD is solely an academic issue (56:00):

  • Caroline: “It's not just a learning disability. It impacts how you function every single day.”

• Women with ADHD cannot be successful (61:43):

  • Both sisters counter this misconception by sharing their success stories and emphasizing the strengths ADHD brings to entrepreneurship.

Notable Quotes:

• Caroline on Misconceptions: [62:04] “ADHD has changed as I've matured. It’s not just impacting me academically; it's affecting everyday tasks like driving, cooking, and organizing.”

• Lizzie on Overcoming Misconceptions: [61:53] “People who think ADHD will keep you from being successful need to stop it immediately.”

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6. Exemplary Women with ADHD

Lizzie reads a comprehensive list of famous women diagnosed with ADHD, highlighting their success and creativity:

• Famous Names:
  • Margot Robbie, Simone Biles, Eva Longoria, Emma Watson, Shakira, Jessica Alba, Taylor Swift, Megan Fox, Alicia Keys, Florence Pugh, and more.

Lizzie’s Insight: [63:43] “Clearly, we’re in the right sisterhood. These women are creative and talented, showcasing that ADHD does not hinder success.”

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7. Concluding Thoughts and Empowerment

Empowering Messages:

• Lizzie’s Final Thoughts (65:22):

  • “Your mindset is everything. You can either view ADHD as crippling or as a superpower. Analyze, understand your limitations, and fill the gaps with appropriate tools and support.”

• Caroline’s Encouragement:

  • Emphasizes the importance of awareness and creating strategies to navigate ADHD challenges.

Final Notable Quotes:

• Lizzie:
  [66:00] “It's a beautiful time in history to be a woman with ADHD because we're understanding it better, developing tools, and it's no longer ostracized.”

• Caroline:
  [66:38] “Being aware of the roadblocks ADHD may create helps you plan around them and overcome them.”

Closing Remarks:

• Lizzie:
  “Thank you for hanging out. I hope this is encouraging and you've enjoyed our company and community. You are not alone and you can do this. Until next week, go make something awesome.”

• Caroline:
  “Thank you for having me. I hope this was interesting.”

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8. Additional Resources and Call to Action

• Website: howtosellyourstuff.com

  • Access podcast show notes, links from today’s episode, blog, courses, coaching, and more.

• Special Offer:

  • Six Figure Secrets Course:
    • Lizzie: “Use the code save50 to save $50 on the Six Figure Secrets course today. Learn Etsy demand, SEO, trendspotting, and more to scale your Etsy shop.”

• Engagement Request:

  • Lizzie: “If this episode was helpful, please rate, review, and subscribe to help others find this content.”

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Conclusion:
Episode 178 of "How to Sell Your Stuff on Etsy" delves deep into the experiences of high-achieving women with ADHD, showcasing how ADHD can be harnessed as a strength in entrepreneurship. Through personal stories, practical strategies, and a discussion on common misconceptions, Lizzie and Caroline Smiley offer a comprehensive guide to understanding and leveraging ADHD for business success. The episode is both inspiring and informative, providing actionable insights for Etsy sellers and entrepreneurs alike.

Transcript

[Lizzie Smiley]

Hey, my name is Lizzie Smiley and I absolutely love helping people connect with their calling and all the tools they need to kick roadblocks and excuses right out the door so they can cultivate the life they dream about. If you want to launch, grow, pivot or scale your Etsy shop, or you've always wanted to develop the mindset and skills to run your own business, then I'm your girl. I've had that entrepreneurial spirit going strong since my very first lemonade stand and now I'm a work at home mama with multiple online companies and a full time Etsy shop. All while being present with my kids for the everyday chaos and most important milestones. On this podcast we'll talk about all things business, mindset, Etsy, creativity, dazzling our customers, and so much more. There's plenty of room at this table for you, so scooch on in and let's go. I'm holding nothing back. Welcome to how to sell your stuff on Etsy. I'm so glad you're here. Hello my friends. Welcome back to the podcast. We are having a very different kind of conversation today and I am so here for it. I hope that you are too. As we are planning for the next coming weeks, I want to let you know what is happening so that you can jump on anything that is a good fit for you. First of all, coming up on May 15, Jenny from the Shop and I are doing our very first mindset workshop. I cannot, cannot, cannot wait for this. We are going to meet with you and teach you about the mindset to become from zero to a hundred K Etsy seller. And it is going to be so powerful. We are going to help you identify what your limiting beliefs are that are holding you back. We are going to help you find out what your mindset blocks are so that you can start rewiring them and move forward. And then we are going to have a very practical planning session where we are going to teach you the actual physical things that you need to do, the activities that you need to do, the actions you need to take to build a successful six figure Etsy shop. In addition to that, tonight, actually tonight, this Thursday, right now, in a few hours, we are going to have our live AI workshop for wall art. So if you would like to learn how to make printable wall art using AI, you're going to want to come to this workshop and or grab the replay. The thing about AI art, first of all, it's not saturated at all if you know how to go after the trends. I'm going to be teaching you exactly how to find what to design that is very high demand but low competition. How to use and prompt the AI to create it for you and then most importantly how to resize it, how to actually adjust it so that you can sell it in different sizes because that is what Etsy shoppers are looking for and the AI won't do that for you automatically. So this is a part that takes a little skill. I'm going to teach you how set it up as a high quality, download that for your customers so they're getting a great quality that'll scale up and scale down for them. I'm going to teach you how to find the perfect SEO to get ranked for it. You're going to walk away with being able to add an entirely new product to your tool belt to be able to sell on Etsy for semi passive income. So grab that if it's a good fit for you. And then finally, I have been testing the waters to see if any of you would be interested in an all inclusive membership with me. That would mean that while you were in the membership paying monthly, you'll have access to every everything I have created and everything I do. You get access to the trendspotting membership to all of my workshops, all of my courses. The only exception would be the mindset stuff with Jenny. That would be separate. But every other thing that I put out, you would have access to all of my courses, all of my workshops while you're in that membership. So for a few months you could be in for, you know, it would be less than having to pay for everything individually. So let me know down in the survey below and drop your email for me if that is something that you'd be interested in. I'm just testing the waters to see if that's something I should set up for people. So today we are talking all about adhd because I've been getting messages from you guys since I kind of talk about every once in a while you hear me lose my train of thought and I'll be like, oh, adhd. So many of you, so many creative, entrepreneurial women have adhd. And so I want to talk through some of the ways that I cope with that or I really don't have to cope, like how I actually use it as a superpower. And today I'm bringing in my sister Caroline. She was here for the hundredth episode that we did. She interviewed me. She was diagnosed ADHD when she was in, I want to say like eighth grade. I should have asked her that when we were children. She was, she was actually taken to the doctor, diagnosed and put on medication because she was having so much trouble focusing and getting schoolwork done. It really showed up for her as a scholarly issue with school. For me, I, no one ever blinked an eye at me. And it wasn't until I was like late 30s, I would say, after my first child that I started exhibiting some ADHD symptoms and my sister was like, hey, have you thought about this? Because you kind of tick these different boxes. And I've learned from ADHD expert Tracy Otsuka that a lot of women as they get older, they may have had it their whole life, but it really starts to present in sort of a perimenopause kind of timeframe as we get older. And so that's been really interesting for me to explore. So today we are going to talk through all things successful. We're both multiple six figure earners, ADHD women and how it affects us professionally, what tools we are using and just some of the things to the characteristics of women who have ADHD and how we're overcoming them. So please help me welcome Caroline to the podcast. This is going to be so fun. Real quick, guys. Before we dive into today's episode, I just want to make absolutely sure, sure, sure, certain that you know, tool Profit Tree. My friends over at Profit Tree, which is the only Etsy automated profit tracking and ads optimization tool on the market today, they're currently offering lifetime access for a limited time offer. So this is something you need to jump on. I recently interviewed Hannah here on the podcast. It was episode 174, if you haven't heard it yet. She's the owner of Profit Tree and she's been teaching people how to at a minimum, two times their Etsy sales and increase profits by at least 20% with her Etsy ad strategy. It's literally lit. It's, it's so sophisticated. She's so good at it. She alone has spent over $400,000 on Etsy ads. So she has the experience, she knows what she's talking about and she's really, really good at teaching it. So her tool Profit tree not only helps you to do this, but her lifetime deal also comes with free access to an ads masterclass that you're going to want to get. It reveals all of her methods. I'm going to link all of this in the description for you to grab Profit Tree at that really discounted lifetime rate. Knowing your real profit is so, so important no matter what you sell. And they make it super easy even for print on demand sellers with Printify and Printful integrations, so you can see a true picture of where your business is at and scale for profit, not just for revenue. Awesome stuff, guys. Not sure how long the lifetime offer is going to be available or how long the link will be active after posting this. So make sure and grab it today. And let's dive in to this episode. I got my sister back on the podcast. Hey, Caroline. Hi, Everybody. Thanks for $10 to who can differentiate between our voices.

[Caroline]

Yeah, truly good luck.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Since our parents can't. It's kind of funny. The best, though, is when we say the same thing. The exact same thing at the exact same time.

[Caroline]

Yes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Because even though we're sisters and like. Yes. And everyone's. I'm going to get so many comments about interruption about this episode. I can already feel it. All the men are literally hitting next right now. But the best is how, like, we're such different people. Like super, super close, but such different people and yet still say all of the same things at the exact same time.

[Caroline]

Yes, absolutely. Our brains are very similar, actually.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Well, I trained you.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I. I am. I'm just a copy paste of you.

[Lizzie Smiley]

But much cuter, much cooler. So everyone loved when you were here for the hundredth episode, which, by the way, we're only like 20 episodes away from the 200th, so that's gonna say bananas. So, guys, get used to Caroline. But I've been getting all of these messages lately asking more about ADHD because I kind of goof all the time about, like, you know, every time I lose my train of thought, I'm like, lol.

[Caroline]

There she is, there she is, there she is.

[Lizzie Smiley]

And I was just on the Amazing Tracy. Tracy Osuka's podcast who does all about adhd.

[Caroline]

She. And.

[Lizzie Smiley]

And it's just all very kismet.

[Caroline]

So that was such a fun episode to listen to.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Did you listen to it?

[Caroline]

Yeah, I listened to the whole thing. I thought it was great.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Did you really? I talked about you. She's.

[Caroline]

She is such a riot. And you know what's very cool? Because I am a person that exists with ADHD. A lot of my TikTok feed is about ADHD and her book. I've seen like multiple TikToks about her book and had no idea that you had the connection to her.

[Lizzie Smiley]

What is it called? ADHD for the.

[Caroline]

For like. For like smart ass, badass woman.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I should know. Smart. Yes. Sorry for swearing for the first time probably ever on the podcast. No, it's totally. I said it first. It's a, it's a great book. And she had come on my podcast a year or so ago and we clicked. She said she was on a book tour at the time. Hello, the book tour. And she said that she was interviewed hundreds of times and I was one of the very few people she remembered and she wanted me to come talk on her podcast and. Lol. I'm not officially diagnosed. Except for. By you. Well, and.

[Caroline]

And I will diagnose a person. I will. I.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You have every right. But you were as a kid officially diagnosed. And so we kind of know. We kind of know. I want to get into that in a minute, but I want to start, I want to start with kind of a big question. I want to know if you think ADHD holds you back professionally.

[Caroline]

So this is such an interesting question because you could look at that. There's like a macro answer and a micro answer to that.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, I want both on a day to day.

[Caroline]

I would be lying to you if I didn't say that because I have adhd, there are tasks that I will struggle to finish when I've scheduled to finish them or that I'll have executive dysfunction starting. Right. Like all of those.

[Lizzie Smiley]

What's that? What's executive dysfunction? I don't know.

[Caroline]

Oh my gosh. Hold on. See, this is. I'm going to be bad at describing these things. Hold on.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Well, I'll look it up. Do you want to get. But I mean, your definition would be highly entertaining. Refers to challenges and planning, organizing and executing tasks due to difficulties with executive functions, which are cognitive skills that help regulate thoughts, emotions and behaviors.

[Caroline]

Yes. So if you're someone who has ADHD and you've ever had trouble starting a task, like, even if you really want, like in your, in your bones, you want to start, like, I need to get this done, I want to work on it. But you absolutely cannot. That's like an executive dysfunction where I quite literally cannot make myself start doing something. Do you ever experience that?

[Lizzie Smiley]

Not a little bit, but not really. I have resistance, but I can, I can make myself do just about anything other than the letter box.

[Caroline]

I will have huge issues with that. I can. So in a micro way on a day to day, are there times where it's like, oh man, I really needed to do that task like two hours ago and I didn't. Yeah. So ADHD will impact it in that. In that way, negatively. But overall I do not think it's a hindrance because I think I am very high energy, I am very creative, I can think Outside the box, I have a lot of adaptability. And so all of those things, I think make me a much stronger professional. Then it does hinder me when I don't necessarily stay perfectly on top of my to do list because everything still gets done. And if actually in some instances they get done better because I'm using hyper focus in the end to get them done because there's like a time crunch that will motivate me to, you know, ungodly heights.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Do you think that because you're. We're. We are both multiple six figure earner women and we both, we have. Our ADHD shows up kind of differently in some ways.

[Caroline]

Yeah, very much.

[Lizzie Smiley]

But do you think it's given you an advantage? Because not. I mean, there's actually. I'm gonna go through a list in a minute. There are a ton of high, like, there's kind of a higher likelihood of sometimes women with ADHD to be super, super successful.

[Caroline]

I think it is more of an advantage to me than a disadvantage.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Wow.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Again, it can be very challenging at times and there are ways that it impacts my life on a daily basis that that, like, doesn't bleed into work necessarily. Right. So. But again, like the creativity, the ability to hyper focus. I have high emotional intelligence that I think definitely comes from the adhd. I can recognize patterns and pick things up pretty quickly. So I can, I can read cues, especially in the midst of like, contract negotiations with which I do at my job at a, at a pretty high level, you know, like, I'm talking about $10 million contracts that I'll help negotiate. And so to be able to pick up on people's cues and watch for signals and patterns and things like that, it, like, is definitely advantageous. And again, I have a lot of, like, I have a surprising amount of resiliency, mainly because I'll forget, but girl, I can jump right back on that horse and keep going. They say that's one of the reasons that like, salespeople, people with adhd, make good salespeople. Because you hear no so many times. But if you start forgetting or like, you know, the ADHD just sort of, okay, yeah, you can be more resilient.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I have that. I forget everything. And I always thought it was because I did so much. I was like almost. I was almost a therapist slash life coach, and I heard all of the worst of the worst of everybody's life. And if I kept it, I would have spiraled into a depression. I just thought I was like deleting it. I thought God was just Deleting it every night so I could function well.

[Caroline]

And you know what? In a way that is. I think I was getting filtered out.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I think it'd be interesting to chat about. I just want to read through. Where did it Go? The list of characteristics that are common for ADHD for people to kind of tick off in their heads and for you and me. So there's. I'm going to do them quick. There's 16 of them, and I think we should say yes. Yeah. A yes or no. And then whoever's listening, like, okay. To be honest, what I want this episode to do is encourage anyone who feels like they're struggling with ADHD to. To, like. I don't want to tell anyone. They should look at it as their superpower, but I do want to empower you that it doesn't have to hold you back. And so, like, between getting diagnosed and some. In some cases, getting medication or getting tools from Tracy Otsuko, like, this does not have to be. I'm just. I'm devastated for the woman who feels completely held back by it. So.

[Caroline]

Right.

[Lizzie Smiley]

So that's our whole point. So this is the funniest conversation. This is almost unhinged. I'm so cracking up because we're just discombobulated because the two of us together on this topic, it's hysterical. But you know what? The people with ADHD are gonna love it. The people who don't are gonna be like. And next. And you know what? Go listen to Jenna Kutcher. I respect you. So, number one. Although she's also adhd, number one. Difficulty with time management. Yes or no?

[Caroline]

Yeah. Oh, bigly. Yeah. I don't.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Not really. For me. A little bit hyper focus. Yes or no?

[Caroline]

Yeah. Yes. Yes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes. I told Tracy. Yes. Sometimes I can appear cult like about this disorganization.

[Caroline]

Yes or no? It depends who you're asking.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Okay. It says keeping physical or digital spaces organized can be a challenge. Women with ADHD may find it difficult to maintain a tidy work workspace.

[Caroline]

Right. Yes. No, It. My workspace can become hectic. It definitely can. However, I know where everything is, so. It's.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Exactly. Exactly. It's.

[Caroline]

It's.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I.

[Caroline]

What? I do not need to front. Yeah. My workspace is a wreck.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I'm a little, like. I'm looking at my desk right now, like, just. I have, like, a nervous twitch. It's making me itch.

[Caroline]

Yeah. I do have to. That's the thing, though. It does become overwhelming. And so I will have to do, like, a full reset to really Feel like good again.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Do you like it to be tidy? Do you prefer a tidy space?

[Caroline]

Oh, my gosh, yes. I feel mentally so much better in a tidy space. And Matthew and I do regularly talk about how the, like, tidiness of the house and how organized everything is is definitely an external reflection of however we're feeling internally, you know, so I can tell where we've been, where we've been more overwhelmed with more things have been going on, like the house looks like it. And weeks where we're feeling like more peaceful. Whatever. It's cleaner.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I can't. I still can't figure out why I don't just take the extra 10 seconds to put something where it's supposed to go rather than having piles.

[Caroline]

Literally. Never felt that, never tasted that if I wanted to. He's saying I can do it for like a day. No, I'll do it for a couple days. Everything will be. Everything will be for steam. Everything will be perfect in its spot and everything has a spot. And I'll actually become. I'll become a little cuckoo bananas about it. I'll be like militant about making sure everything, like there can't even be a speck of water in the sink. But then I don't know what happens. And like 72 hours in the switch flips and then 24 hours later, every surface is covered in things. I don't know.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You toggle. You toggle OCD, ADHD, which. P.S. so does my daughter, who, by the way, coined the term cuckoo bananas, which.

[Caroline]

I say all the time. Ten years old, little body, cuckoo bananas is always fits. It doesn't matter the scenario. I can say cuckoo bananas and it fits.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Everyone loves it. It's a crowd pleaser. Number four is impulsivity.

[Caroline]

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, only a little.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Do you think I'm impulsive?

[Caroline]

No, I'm kind of not.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Right. I was trying to be self aware.

[Caroline]

But I would not describe you as impulsive.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I can be a little impulsive with business.

[Caroline]

I was going to say like shopping, like the other day. Oh, more. And like you made an expensive perfume purchase, which you absolutely should have and you deserve. But like, that to me feels like impulsive adhd.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I had actually been planning that, though, since your bridal shower and I just hadn't been out to a store that had it yet. I wanted to smell it because it was expensive. I wanted to smell it before I bought it. But yeah, it was a gap.

[Caroline]

I will just buy it.

[Lizzie Smiley]

No, I have to smell.

[Caroline]

Not impulsive.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah. What about emotional sensitivity?

[Caroline]

Am I I'm very. I'm very sensitive. Yes, yes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Adhd. Women with ADHD are often more emotionally sensitive and may feel things deeply. This can lead to higher levels of empathy, but also increased emotional reactivity to stress or criticism. Oh my gosh. Yes.

[Caroline]

Yeah, all of those.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Number six is low self esteem.

[Caroline]

No, no. Thankfully that one missed me because as.

[Lizzie Smiley]

A child I was very low self esteem. But as a woman, I'm probably overly confident.

[Caroline]

I don't think you're overly confident.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Why would you say, well, thank you. I don't know. Because I don't know.

[Caroline]

Be nice to my friend.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Not in a toxic way. Just some very calm. Yeah. Not. Not low self esteem. But it does say so anyone listening who maybe feels like that might be them. It says that due to years of struggling with symptoms like forgetfulness, disorganization, or difficulty focusing, many women with ADHD may experience low self esteem.

[Caroline]

This can be especially.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes. Shame pronounced if they've been overlooked or misunderstood in academic or work settings. Yes. My entire childhood.

[Caroline]

Yes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

The word misunderstood really resonates.

[Caroline]

Yeah. And you want to know what? That one does resonate for me as well. Definitely feeling misunderstood. Not only. Yeah.

[Lizzie Smiley]

As a kid, you were very misunderstood.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Like being a student and. Whoa. Okay. Sorry. I'm trying to form a thought because I don't think anyone ever questioned my capability. I think my capability was like understood. It was. Why then I couldn't get homework assignments done or whatever else. You know, it's just like I had very, very classically presenting ADHD and so definitely feeling like some kind of failure. Like irresponsible, disorganized, whatever else where it's just like. Sorry.

[Lizzie Smiley]

We were both often told, like, that we're not working up to our own potential and that I, I was told that a hundred times as a child to the point where now I almost like overwork and still. I don't know. It's so interesting. Okay. So a little bit. But I don't.

[Caroline]

I definitely. I've always felt confident though. I feel like.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You've always felt what? Confident.

[Caroline]

Yeah, you've.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You've always been very confident. What about number seven is chronic distraction.

[Caroline]

Oh my gosh. Yeah. Yes, Yes, I can. About anything at any time. In about 4Ns.

[Lizzie Smiley]

We really can't watch a TV show together. It's sort of pointless.

[Caroline]

Yeah. And it's hard for me to sometimes just have conversations in general. Like even right now I'm sitting here looking at some of the things on my desk, just distracted by needing to put them Away.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It says this can make it difficult to stay on task, follow through with projects or remember important details. Oh my gosh, the remembering things these days. Number eight is procrastination.

[Caroline]

Yes. Painful.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You identify with that one.

[Caroline]

Yeah, that's. That is when I talked about like and I don't know how well I explained it but like macro and micro ways that it impacts work. The procrastination definitely will impact me.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Women with ADHD often put off tasks, especially those with that feel overwhelming, boring or lack immediate rewards. Procrastination can become a significant hurdle in managing daily responsibilities or achieving long term goals. I struggled with that a lot more when I was young when I fear.

[Caroline]

Can be a big part of it. Look, you know, it talks about the overwhelming but if you're scared about the outcome, outcome of it or it feels really daunting or for me, like at work, like this project is due for like I'm presenting this to our CEO tomorrow. I can have trouble starting because I am very worried about like rising to the challenge and the occasion and performing at the level in which I know that I can but so I will procrastinate because I have fear associated with being able to achieve that.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Okay. And overwhelm is coming up and I, for me these are connected. If I feel overwhelmed, like for example, if I'm even thinking about Etsy, like let's say there are literally like 10 different niches I want to create things for and I'm just like, oh my gosh, where do I start? And it's not even like a huge overwhelm like you doing a presentation to someone. Well, I could, I. You know what I experienced this with like when I put on workshops and it's something I'm not haven't doing for years and I know that a hundred people are going to be there and watch it and it's going to be live. I feel overwhelmed at the responsibility of delivering really high quality. And so then I will procrastinate. Actually doing it right now literally as we speak. So that's the way it shows up. But not in a way. I mean I'm thinking about back in like high school when I wouldn't write a paper until the night before. Oh, I would never do that now.

[Caroline]

That's classic too.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I would never do that now. Okay. Number nine is strong creativity and problem solving skills. Bigly, both of us. Yes. Yes. Naturally creative, the ability to think outside the box. Excel in environments that require innovation. Coming up with unique solutions to challenges. Love it. Yes. Number 10 is difficulty with routines and structure.

[Caroline]

I'm definitely desperate for one. Oh my gosh, I'd love to be a little routine girl, but that's just not, that's just not. That's not my journey. And that's okay.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It's interesting that you want one because I don't like, I am insistent on staying in places where I don't feel controlled by a routine.

[Caroline]

Oh, I think. You want to know what? I think it would be nice to have like in the mornings to have more of a routine.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Okay.

[Caroline]

I think, I think that would, that really would be nice.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Like before work, before work starts.

[Caroline]

Okay. Because I am a. I work remotely from home and work starts at 8:00am and my alarm is going off at like 7:54.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes. You know, mom was always so good about that. Do you remember her in the mornings when we were kids? And she would like, she'd go and she'd get up, she'd get her coffee, she'd read her book. Like she was so structured with her mornings.

[Caroline]

And I see people that are like this, that have a whole. Have you seen this? It's like my, my 5 to 9 before my 9 to 5 and my 5 to like I say that. Yeah. And so it's like how people structure their whole morning before their job starts. And you know, they work out, they have a great meal and they read and they do their skin care and they put together a cute outfit and then they like walk to work and all this stuff. I do think working at home. Well, no, I mean I could have a routine if I worked at home.

[Lizzie Smiley]

No, but it all kind of melds together.

[Caroline]

Right?

[Lizzie Smiley]

You don't have. So like for me, you know what helps me is that our nanny gets here at 9am so unfortunately, whether I like it or not, I have to be and because what's going to happen is my 2 year old's going to throw an absolute fit about me walking out the door when she's here if I don't have the. So like I have to get up, get him breakfast, get ready, get dressed, get everything and get out there. And part of me hates it and part of me is like, oh, I'm more productive now.

[Caroline]

See, and that's the thing at mornings when we are up earlier and have to do something like, like my whole day goes better. I feel like it's just starting with more momentum and I need momentum.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Are you a print on demand or digital product Etsy seller who's tight on time or still learning all of the Etsy secrets? I totally Remember the days of having no idea what product to create next before I learned how to make those informed decisions so I can really identify with where you're at. I know how stressful and frustrating it can be to just create listing after listing and see little to no results. You wonder what you're doing wrong and just you just want someone to tell you what to create that's actually going to sell. Where are those opportunities? So let me give you a leg up with my weekly trends and opportunities report. You just join my membership and every Monday I'm going to send you an email with a list of exactly what is trending right now, with a video tutorial showing you how I found those trends and how to apply them in your shop. We're taking guesswork and time, extensive time off of your table. I'm also going to send you five print on demand and digital product opportunities that are growing in demand right now, helping new shops make sales and still have very low saturation in the marketplace. So your tight schedule, your newbie status doesn't have to hold you back anymore. I'm going to help you earn while you learn. You can grab my free demo to start and see an example of what the weekly trends and opportunities email looks like right from the show notes. See what you're going to get and I will see you on the inside soon. Number 11 is tendency to feel overwhelmed. This is. That's a big one for me.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I absolutely.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Wait, I was gonna say. I don't know. Do you. That's not huge for you though, is it? You don't seem like definitely really in what. How does it apply? Where do you get overwhelmed?

[Caroline]

I will get overwhelmed at work. Some of it though has to do with the culture of the particular environment that I am in. Yeah, that probably. That depends. But I can get very. I can get very overwhelmed. Well, and you know what? I will get frustrated. I get frustrated. When I'll get frustrated, that's probably. That's probably a big way that my overwhelm will manifest.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It's like this definition is interesting. It says the combination of being easily distracted, disorganized and feeling a sense of urgency due to procrastination can make women with ADHD feel overwhelmed by their responsibilities or life in general.

[Caroline]

Oh yeah, that's true too.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Just interesting. Like, you know who never ever gets overwhelmed is my husband. Ever. Never.

[Caroline]

I know. I'm so jealous of you.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Never. I've seen him once and it was in 2020. This is a good side story. 2020, June, middle of COVID you are with us. We are driving the RV for the first time up to Wisconsin. The new car decides to break down. The transmission just dies. By the way, all the factories are making ventilators you can't even get. We couldn't get a new transmission for like four months.

[Caroline]

Right.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It was an absolute disaster. But he. When that happened and we had no options because we were. If anyone has ever been to Illinois or thereabouts, our favorite restaurant is Portillo's. And we had stopped at Portillo's for dinner, and we were having the time of our life. And then that car was not leaving that parking lot. And we literally slept in the RV at Portillo's for.

[Caroline]

We slept at Portillo's.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Nobody could help us. There were no Trotro. It was a disaster. That was the only time I've ever seen him overwhelmed. And I had to be like, okay, I guess I'm gonna figure this out then. But.

[Caroline]

And we survived to tell the tale.

[Lizzie Smiley]

But that was, I mean, honestly, one of the best stories to date.

[Caroline]

We just sat there and drank Chandon.

[Lizzie Smiley]

In the parking lot of Portillo's in our camping chairs.

[Caroline]

Hanging out.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Number 12 is sensitivity to rejection or criticism. Yeah. Depends. It depends on who's throwing it at me.

[Caroline]

Yeah. Oh, you want to know what? Yes, it definitely depends who is. It's the who. Where. The source.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yep.

[Caroline]

But it can. Yes, I will feel. I will feel the rejection very, very deeply. Like, I will feel it. It's like, very visceral how I feel it.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes. Oh, my gosh. I lost my. I had a really good thought and I lost my train of thought because. Lol. What was I going to say about that? Well, be safe. We'll come back to it. Sensitivity to rejection or criticism. Women with ADHD can be.

[Caroline]

How? Like, the source can.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes. Oh, are you okay? This is what it was. I feel like I'm very hyper aware to micro rejections.

[Caroline]

Yes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Lol. We just did this. We just did this, remember, a few weeks ago. And also, like, the best slash worst part about being your sister and your skills is that I cannot hide a thing from you. It's on my face. Like, the entire world thinks I am just footloose and fancy free. And you're like, wtf is wrong? And you're. And actually, you're like. But actually, I already know.

[Caroline]

But let's.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Do you know?

[Caroline]

Like, you know what? Let's. Let's. Let's chat really quick. Well, I feel like I could teach a master class in the facial expressions and what they mean about all our members because you could do it with me too. Well, and most. You and I have a great strength. You know, we can read most people, even if they're new. But like, yes, when you're like, people think that I'm footloose and fancy free and like, if your nose, like wrinkles in a certain direction.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah, but the same, the same. Like, we. Neither of us can hide anything. But. But I'm, I am like, try to be so socially aware. I'm always trying to read, like, oh, do these people feel like I'm talking too long or too much? Have I out? Like, do I need to walk away? And. And I think I often maybe overcorrect and I, I maybe even end a conversation earlier than people want to because I'm just. I'm watching for those micro rejections. Yes. Did we talk about hyper aware? I don't even know if we. Interesting. Oh, maybe, I don't know, emotional sensitivity. What about number. Oh, gosh, this is great. Number 13 is high energy levels.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Many women with ADHD experience bursts of energy, which can help them power through projects or tackle challenges. However, this can also lead to feelings of restlessness or difficulty. Relaxing.

[Caroline]

Yes. All these.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You relax. Well, you're good at that. No. Oh, tell me more. Is it because your brain's still going or.

[Caroline]

Right. Yes, I want.

[Lizzie Smiley]

So you might look like you're relaxing, but you're not.

[Caroline]

Yeah, it could be. It could be warfare up in here.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, okay.

[Caroline]

So it depends. But I love a relax. Like, I am trying to do a relax. I love it. But I am very. I can be very hyper. I was more hyper younger. I feel like some of my hyperness has definitely been quelled to a. To a degree, but I'm definitely high energy and in a social setting, I can be like a very high energy person. Yes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You bring the party. Yes, there's that.

[Caroline]

Also, I heard you talking about this the other day. Oh, it might have been on Tracy's. Tracy's podcast. Tracy.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Okay. Yeah.

[Caroline]

Oh, no. Did you see it? Leave it just fully left. Oh, no. What were you talking about?

[Lizzie Smiley]

Maybe I can jar your memory.

[Caroline]

It walk right out. Wow. It just.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, how you were when you were younger. You were a lot more. You were.

[Caroline]

I got it. I got it. When. So when people, when people meet me for the first time. It depends. It totally depends.

[Lizzie Smiley]

People love you.

[Caroline]

People love you. But sometimes when people meet me and I'm, you know, I. You and I both, we bring a lot of energy. We're excited we are inquisitive, ask questions. Yep. We are trying to get to know you. And you're. You're. You're important to us. I want to know you.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I want you to feel known is what it really is.

[Caroline]

I. Yeah. To be honest, sometimes I actually don't care about knowing you, but I want you to feel known.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

Just kidding. But you know what I mean.

[Lizzie Smiley]

No, but, yeah. Yeah, it's. Yeah, but.

[Caroline]

So people will meet me and I will be very high energy, and they will think that I am faking it. They'll think it's an.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes. Same.

[Caroline]

I'm like, really high energy, and I'm really like, we're nice. I am nice. And I'm giving out compliments, and I am. Because I mean it. And I want you to feel good. I actually really. I give out compliments all the time, and it is so genuine. So if I. Yes. I'm yelling about how beautiful you look in that top. Just know that I felt that in my body and it needed to come out. Like, I mean, that's.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I was with one of Caroline's friends the other day. We're all in her bridal party, so I went and had dinner with one of them that I really enjoy. And she's. And I'm like, complimenting people as we're walking past them. She's like, I am with Caroline. I'm just.

[Caroline]

Can't help it. It just. It's literally. I can't explain it. It's got to come out of my body. Two of my best friends, when they met the first time in Ally, they bonded over being out with me is, like, such an experience because I am making friends, I am meeting people, I'm talking to everybody. And Caitlin was like, yeah. Walking around with her is crazy. And Hallie goes, yeah. Caroline just walks up to a table and it's like, hey, what's up? I agree that's their joke about me. But you know what? It's true. But. So the point is, some people think that it's very artificial when they first meet me.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

And then when they've known me for three months and I am the exact same way, like, nothing has changed. I'm still, like, up here all the time. They're like, oh, it's real. And also, that's awesome about you because it is really genuine. I don't know what the question was.

[Lizzie Smiley]

No. But the point is, it takes time to win people over with that. We're both. It's the high energy. Also, I have a slight side note. I've got to tell you. Do you know how we are constantly forgetting things and then we're both. We help each other remember it, like, really quick, randomly. My husband hates when I do that. If he can't remember anything, he does not want me trying to jar his memory. It's the weirdest thing.

[Caroline]

I can't be helping me remember.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Absolutely. Well, it's like. It's the most foreign thing to me that I have to sit there and be like, don't say anything. Don't say anything. Don't talk about it. And then he'll figure it out himself. He's just like. He's. He's rarely particular, but he's like, don't try to. Don't help me remember. So I'm actually just wondering if it's an ADH thing. Like, we're all used to just talking over each other and.

[Caroline]

Because you and I will do that. Caitlin and I will do that. Matthew and I will do that. But those are all people with adhd.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

Ooh.

[Lizzie Smiley]

What about mom and dad? Did they.

[Caroline]

I want you to fill in the gaps.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I feel like when we're with mom and dad, though, we're helping each other so fast that they're just not. They're just looking at us. They're just. Just like. I don't know.

[Caroline]

Yeah, it depends. Probably for the most part. Yes. I feel in gaps, though, sometimes. Who will.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Dad.

[Caroline]

Mom and dad. Depending on what it is. Like, if I'm talking and I can't remember.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Honestly, everyone just chuckles at you all the time.

[Caroline]

You're the.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You're the family cartoon character.

[Caroline]

As I sit here itching my nose on this YouTube. Hey, YouTube.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Actually, do you know what I wanted to say is, like.

[Caroline]

But as I.

[Lizzie Smiley]

We. We, like, don't sound the same today because of your allergies. So, like, I'm retracting my previous statement.

[Caroline]

I'm sorry to everybody who's having to listen to me, like, sniffle and clear my throat. Texas allergies are gnarly.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah, well, I just didn't want to get a bunch of emails like, you all don't sound anything alike.

[Caroline]

And speaking of adhd, the way that I have been out of Zyrtec for a week and a half, I just haven't gotten it, and I'm now in enough discomfort to really motivate me to go get something after.

[Lizzie Smiley]

That's what favor is for.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know.

[Lizzie Smiley]

If they can get. Yeah, you. You can get. You can't get the stuff with the D Uber.

[Caroline]

You could. Uber eats it even.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, even better.

[Caroline]

Yeah, we are.

[Lizzie Smiley]

We're home stretching it. On this list. We're on number 14. Need for novelty and stimulation. No, not at all. Need for novelty and stimulation. Lol. Women with ADHD often thrive when they're engaged in new and stimulating activities. This can drive them to constantly seek out new projects or ideas to keep their attention from waning. Yes, yes. This is squirrel. This is shiny object syndrome.

[Caroline]

Yeah. And I have it. I have it.

[Lizzie Smiley]

So for me, it's business ideas. How does it typically show up for you?

[Caroline]

It is definitely not business ideas for me. No, it is. It's like more creative for me. I want to say, like, I will get a wild hair about something in my house and I'll have like, furniture.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Or art, your design, and I will.

[Caroline]

Have to change it. I'm super obsessed with that. If we're like cooking something or serving something and I'm doing like, like, you know, I'll like, really get hyper focused and care a lot of. What? Do you see me staring off in his face?

[Lizzie Smiley]

No, I just had a thought.

[Caroline]

Like, I'm going to care about the tablescape. Like, it'll come out for me in really creative ways, but I'll squirrel about it.

[Lizzie Smiley]

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[Caroline]

It's because a lot of the TV shows we watch we're up to date with.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Okay, all right, so it's not because.

[Caroline]

But it's because I don't have a backlog of like White Lotus to watch. Like we're watching it every single Sunday. So you're hearing us talk about like that and righteous gemstones and whatever else that we're all watching.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Okay, okay. You're watching them. You're just more him. Like, I need it to come out and then I need you to filter it and be like, tell me if I'm built for it.

[Caroline]

Well, you like it? Yeah. I never meant that. I never meant that in a bad way.

[Lizzie Smiley]

No, it was so good.

[Caroline]

It's a compliment.

[Lizzie Smiley]

We were chuckling about a few years ago. She was suggesting a TV show for me, or I was asking, what should I watch? I need something new. And she's like going through her list, she's like, oh, no, you can't watch this one. You're not built for it. And she just said, because I. It was so funny. I. And of course then I had to go watch it and I. I did struggle a little bit.

[Caroline]

Spite. She had to go watch it.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It wasn't spite. It was like, I had to know. Like, then I had to know. But she was just meaning because I tend to be very. I'm very intentional with what I watch and listen to.

[Caroline]

And also it's a compliment to be like, you are too pure hearted to watch these absolutely atrocious people. Be.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I feel like I've seen worse since then too. Oh, we'll get. They want to know what it is. I'm sure. What was it called again?

[Caroline]

Succession.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, succession. Yeah. I mean, I fast forward a lot through a lot of these shows. Yeah, okay. And this is a. This is a side note, but related. But this is what my thought that I had a few minutes ago. And I have to say it because I can still remember it when I first said, like, need for novelty and stimulation. It's actually not about that at all. It's about like, I don't know if any of you guys do this. When I am, for example, if I'm tidying my house, I'm trying to get things together. I like, let's say I go and I'm taking something to the laundry room. And then along the way, along the way I see a can and so I actually, I drop the laundry and then I grab the can and then I. I can't stay focused on one task of like putting away the laundry. I am like running through the house doing all of these other micro tasks and I feel like I'm being super productive, but I don't know if it takes longer or shorter. Is this an ADHD thing?

[Caroline]

Oh, it's fully ADHD thing. And that's so funny. Sometimes it's bad enough half. It's been a long time, but there have been a few times where I've been and you forget what I'm doing that way. But that like Caitlin and I will send a video being like, okay, please just walk through what I was just trying to do. So like, I Was trying to put this pair of shoes away in my closet. So I had to go to the mud room and pick up the shoes. And when I was in the mud room, I realized there was like, like fur like clusters on the floor from the dog. So, you know, I walked over and I got the little dust back, you know, dirt devil, Dustbuster. And I'm. And I'm doing that. But when I was in the closet getting the dustbuster, I realized that the pillow shams I bought two weeks ago for the den, I never put on the pillow. So hold on really quick. I'm just gonna take those into the dead. I'm gonna put those on the pillow really quick. And now these old shams, I need to wash these because I told my mother in law I was gonna give them to her. So then I'm in the laundry room doing that, and then I'm like, oh, my gosh, I didn't wash any of these shirts that I need for this business next week. Let me do that. But, oh, you know what? I forgot I was going to buff my shoes for the business trip. Hold on, let me go to my closet where I was originally going to drop shoes off and get the other shoes that I need to buff them. And then I don't even know where I put the original pair of shoes down.

[Lizzie Smiley]

And meanwhile, you defrost the chicken for tonight and throw out a tea bag.

[Caroline]

That's just like one example. And do that like 49 times times throughout the day. That is mine. It's bad for me. That's actually.

[Lizzie Smiley]

But the worst is when I'm in the middle of one and I forget where I was going. Like, I don't even know when you stop.

[Caroline]

When you walk into a room and you're like, why am I in here? Why, why are my toes pointed into this doorway? What am I doing in here?

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, my gosh. Number 15.

[Caroline]

Oh, no.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Difficulty with prioritization.

[Caroline]

Oh, my gosh, yes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Is that not related? With so many things on their minds, it can be challenging for women with ADHD to prioritize tasks.

[Caroline]

I'll prioritize just based on my sheer level of interest, which, by the way, nobody. You know what I mean? Because there's some things more urgent than others. But oh my gosh, I do need to unbox this wedding gift first, not take the burning casserole out of the.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oven, you know, Last but not least, strong intuition. Yeah, Many women with ADHD have a strong sense of intuition and empathy. They are often deeply attuned to the Emotions and needs of others, making them excellent at understanding people feelings and building strong relationships.

[Caroline]

Yes. And I think that's one of my. That's one of my biggest personal strengths, and that's one of my biggest professional strengths.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I always just thought that was because we're, like, quite different from our parents. We're more feelers than thinkers, and so we had to really, like, learn how to use that skill. I didn't realize until recently that that was an ADHD thing. Okay, that was fascinating. Wasn't that interesting?

[Caroline]

Yes. One of the interesting things about ADHD is that there are so many traits. Traits and behaviors that I have that I have no idea are ADHD related. But I, like, learn something new every day that are ADHD related.

[Lizzie Smiley]

TikTok.

[Caroline]

Yeah, I learned a lot from TikTok, but you know how I spill on myself all the time?

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, my gosh. Since the day you were old enough to spill? Yes.

[Caroline]

Yeah, that is an ADHD symptom. Really?

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, and what about forks versus spoons? I literally hate spoons.

[Caroline]

Oh, well, you know what? Autism and ADHD are like cousins, you know? Okay, so there's some, like, interesting sensory things that. So. Yeah, that makes sense. It's like me and shoes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

What about them?

[Caroline]

We.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, you don't want to wear them. You.

[Caroline]

I can't. I have a. Speaking of visceral reactions. I have visceral reactions having shoes on my feet.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Lorelai, is you.

[Caroline]

I can't wear shoes. I also exclusively walk on my tiptoes. I am 34 years old, so.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Interesting.

[Caroline]

My trainer Paco did say that my cat calves are ripped.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I bet your ankles are really strong.

[Caroline]

Probably. I don't know.

[Lizzie Smiley]

So what about, like, let's talk about some practical things and. Lol. The theme of this is going to be we don't do it well and we're still successful, so don't let it hold you back. But yes, that's the theme. That's the theme. But how do you. For work stuff, especially, how do you stay so. Okay, just to re. Re. What am I trying to say? Remind everybody, like, we are both multiple six figure earners. We're clearly very successful in our fields. People would say, like, the misnomer would be like, oh, adh, you're going to struggle. You can't be as successful. You have this disadvantage. By the way, in a few minutes, I'm going to read a list of women with ADHD who are like, crazy famous successful. We're successful. How do you stay organized for work?

[Caroline]

I need to visually see Everything that I need to accomplish.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

So I do make lists and I will make lists of the things that I have to do. And so that list will exist somewhere, but then I translate it into yes list, take those lists and I translate them into calendar events.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, okay, that's.

[Caroline]

And that's where it ends up getting prioritized for me. So if I have these five things to do, I'm going to find slots in my calendar for me to complete them and I will schedule them based on their like level of urgency.

[Lizzie Smiley]

But that also prevents people from scheduling you for a meeting during that time. Right, so you can actually get things done.

[Caroline]

For the most part, yes.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I, I mean they do it anyway.

[Caroline]

But I was gonna say, yeah, they do it anyway. My boss calls me at like 9pm all the time. But yes, for the most part. And also why it's important is that I look at my calendar probably 50 times a day because I'm in a lot of calls and meetings throughout the day. And so I'm always looking to see like what's next, what's happening, who I'm having to speak to, what I'm gonna have to have prepared. And so having those visual reminders of my to do list as well makes sure that I can't forget them. Because if they were just on the list list somewhere and then I didn't look at that list for five hours, I will have forgotten every single one of those things that I need to do. But so that keeps it as a visual reminder throughout the day and I've created the time for it and I've like prioritized it by again, urgency.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I think that's so smart. I never thought too. I actually. Well, interestingly, I'm still on a. I have a digital calendar because that's how people book me in calendly for different things. But for me personally, I still use, use like a paper planner and I write stuff in here, which is, Isn't that funny?

[Caroline]

I love that. But I would use that for literally two days and then it would never get opened again.

[Lizzie Smiley]

That's me with a digital calendar. I cannot with a digital calendar. I just started writing in tasks in here. Just today was when I started. I was just like, oh, I'm gonna do this this time. So it's really interesting you said that. I think the way you're handling, you're, you're using that as a tool is really good.

[Caroline]

The other way I want it is because I'm in like Google Calendar. I get the notification on my phone as well, so I'm like getting a pop up reminder on my phone being like in 10 minutes. Oh, cute.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Caroline gets married in literally a month. She will be married a day like yesterday in a month. And she just held up her phone and her, she and her fiance are on there.

[Caroline]

Super cute, cute, cute. I love it. Oh, but so I'll get a little pop up being like in 10 minutes, you need to do like work on XYZ spreadsheet or whatever.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Do you do it though?

[Caroline]

It depends. So like we were talking about earlier, if there's like fear or anxiety associated with it, will I move that out a few more times if I have the luxury of the time to do so? Absolutely. Like probably the third spot it lands in on my calendar is when it actually gets done. However, if there is a real time crunch associated with it or I'm going to be in front of a particular audience that I need to be like, those things will motivate me and I will get things done.

[Lizzie Smiley]

So you do force yourself to move it. At that point you, you don't just, okay, so that's the thing that you are making yourself do is use the calendar. And if you're not going to do it, then you move the event.

[Caroline]

Yes, but I can't get, I cannot delete it obviously until it's done. Like it asks get done. But like, fear will motivate me pretty significantly.

[Lizzie Smiley]

That was my next question is what do you use to motivate yourself?

[Caroline]

And this isn't like healthy or normal, but like, I care deeply about performing well. I'm sure, like anyone who's listened to this podcast has heard from Lizzie that like, performance was very important in our household growing up. It's very much, it's very much shaped me as a professional. I, I, I care about performing well and I care about performing notably. That pressure will motivate me to do what I need to do and do it as well, well as I can. And sometimes that's like when the hyper focus and like attention to detail will really kick in and help me. Yeah, like, like fear and fear of failure. And also I am competitive.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Like if you competitive, you're very competitive. Yep.

[Caroline]

You're around me. Normally you wouldn't really know that I'm competitive, but I professionally am very competitive and so that will motivate me too. I want to do better than you.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I think that's so interesting. I want to do, I want to. My, my biggest motivator is there's, so there's two ways I want to answer this, this is such an interesting question.

[Caroline]

I also love money. I do. Like I like not I love.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You love to travel and go.

[Caroline]

Yeah, like comfortable lifestyle where I get to pursue the things that I, that I enjoy. And when I was younger that wasn't as much of a thing. But once I reached a level professionally where I was making more money, that really ended up. That motivates me too.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah, no, money's a big, A big motivator. I have this thing where I have to prove myself before I die. Like I have to prove what I know I'm capable of. And it's a big motivator for me. So that's like the big one underscore. Like for me, yours would be fear, mine would be like so in a way it's competitive with myself but also like I've gotta show myself and everyone else like what I'm made of. But for me on a day to day basis, it's actually the positive side of it. I get such a dopamine hit from work and from attacking projects and from completing projects and from creating something new. What was it? There was one of those. It was one of the items on the list. It was the. Oh, the novelty and stimulation. So for me, sitting down to work is like the best brain candy on the planet. I now. Are there tasks that I hate? Yes. And those often get procrastinated and written on the next list and the next listen. Or I'm begging my VA to do it for me. Or I'm so. I'm trying, you know, those get procrastinated. But for the most part that's the big motivator for me is loving. Loving what I do.

[Caroline]

I was going to say that. That is so awesome and weird.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Right? It's kind of. I'm thinking about in our culture. That's weird.

[Caroline]

It's such a luxury. I wouldn't say it's weird, but it is. It is a luxury, I think to get to really love and be passionate about what you're doing versus just having to do something because it's what sustains you and sustains your family or it's the stepping stone to what you eventually want to do or whatever. Because there are things about my job that I love but I do not love.

[Lizzie Smiley]

You don't do it because you like it.

[Caroline]

It.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah, right. I will say, like I had to. So yes, it's a luxury and we had to sacrifice a lot for me to get to this point.

[Caroline]

So totally that though that's a really, really important. A nuance. To it is that. Yeah.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It's not like privilege. Yeah. Like how I have privilege in the way I was raised. Yeah.

[Caroline]

Learned with a lot of sacrifice and a lot of time and energy. Yeah. You, you have worked to exist in this professional. Like you've worked very hard to be here and you've earned.

[Lizzie Smiley]

And we went through a decade of not having enough money and the house going into pre foreclosure twice and so many credit cards being. I mean like so many. This is years and years ago, but like we went through it financially and it was like, okay, I'm either going to keep working towards this goal so we can have the life that we have today. Thank God I stuck with it because there were a lot of times when anyone else would have quit, mostly because it looks stupid. It looked like it wasn't going to work and we were having all of these very real consequences from it. So very, very. But yeah, you're right. I do think though, people for their side hustle can have something that gives that. That like sparks the joy.

[Caroline]

Totally. And I would hope that that's more common than not.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Right. But like you, I didn't even say this before for the organization. I do a lot of lists. Well, I think I said no. I talked, I held them up. I do a lot of lists. How do you refocus your attention when you get distracted?

[Caroline]

So I am a big timer setter.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Okay.

[Caroline]

So my days are very busy and there are pros and cons to that. But because I have so many calls and meetings and a lot happening there for the more days than not, there's quite a bit of structure to my day because I know I'm going to be in these calls, whatever else. So the, the gaps in time that I do get, you know, I get to choose how to spend them. And if I know that I need that 20 minute break in between those calls to let like disassociate and scroll on Twitter or whatever it is, I'll set a timer. It's like These are the 15 minutes I get because I'll just get lost in the sauce. And so that timer going off is like, okay, it's time to get back up and go do XYZ that you need to do. Timers is a big one for me like that. I need that accountability. So it's. I kind of choose the time when I know I'm going to be not focused, if that makes any sense.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah.

[Caroline]

But when they, when I have days that are not as structured again, I have that like to do list. And it's really got to do with like, the level of urgency of the things that I need to do.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

And so if there is urgency around it, that's what's going to snap me back into being focused when I have lost. Lost it. It's just like how urgent, how urgent and who the deliverable is for.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I can be really bad about. Like, I can. And it comes from the overwhelm. I'll have a list of things and I know any. And I only have. And so, like, like you, I. My daily is so structured because we are handing the kids back and forth and the nanny's coming and going and all of these, you know, recordings are happening and whatever. So part of it that pushes me forward is just the structure that is innate in the, in the day.

[Caroline]

Yeah.

[Lizzie Smiley]

But when I have my, like, let's say I don't have calls and I like today I had a, you know, several hour block to get things done and I'll sit there and kind of piddle around. And it's not because I don't want to work. It's because I'm looking at the list. Like, what, where do I start?

[Caroline]

The overwhelm of all the.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It's the overwhelm. And, and I'm trying to think of, like, kind of what I do. And I will say this. Okay, this is something I've used. So back in, like the, back in my early entrepreneurship days, there was a book called Eat that Frog and it told you it was all about time, time management. Do you remember that? So Eat that Frog is a book. It's about time management. And what it tells you is like, to structure your day, you should do the hardest thing first. Like, get the hardest things done first.

[Caroline]

Think about, about this sometimes because of you talking about this probably 12 years ago.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes.

[Caroline]

There are times like when we're. I think about it the most, probably when we're cleaning the house. And there are certain things that I just do not want to do. Like, I don't want to do the litter box or I don't want to unload the dishwasher or whatever it is. And I really stop when I think about, like, which one's the hardest? Because after I do that, I will have more momentum and I will try to swallow the frog. I genuinely do think about that with some.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Right. Does that work for you? Because it doesn't work for Lorelei.

[Caroline]

Oh, it can work for me. Yes. But you know what's interesting? I feel like, and this might come up again later. I don't know, but I'll just say it now because I won't remember it in seven seconds that my ADHD has changed as I've just matured as a person. So, for example, I, as you, I'm sure, keenly remember I struggled academically again, not because of capability, but just because of the adhd. Like, I could not turn it. I would not turn in assignments. I'd even completely. Like, I just had weird. You know what I mean? Like, I was just a classic ADHD kid in school where I could not focus to study. I could not do anything without medication at the time. But I went to graduate school later on as a. As an adult in my mid to late 20s without any medication, and I was able to focus and go to class and do my work and do the readings and whatever else in a way that I was never able to as a younger child.

[Lizzie Smiley]

So do you take medication now?

[Caroline]

No, I have not taken medication since I stopped taking medication while I was in undergrad.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Okay.

[Caroline]

I don't think. I don't think I have taken medication since, like, 2011.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Do you. Do you wish you did? Like, do you ever sometimes think about it or do you feel like you need it?

[Caroline]

I have thought about it again, yes. Because, you know, there is, like, a misnomer about ADHD that it is, like, exclusively an issue for students. Right. Like, hinders you academically. It's like a learning disability where, in fact, fact, it's how your whole brain is functioning every single day, all the time. And so there are certain things, like when we were talking about the. The squirreling, the rabbit, holing, doing activities and things like that. Like, if I took some finance, this would not be happening. Or I would have an easier time starting my day and tackling those tasks. And I would have, like, I would be more on top of getting our laundry done and things like that. I have that perspective now as an adult. But, like, wow, I can see how advantageous it would be to take medication. Have I created workarounds for all of these things? And do I, like, live, survive, thrive on a daily basis without medicine? Yes. But can I see it making it easier in certain instances? Yes. But when I was younger, I was really offended by the medication.

[Lizzie Smiley]

That's right.

[Caroline]

I. I had a doctor tell me how much more pleasant I was while I was on meds, and he. He said that to me when I was, like, 14. And, I mean, I was resentful till my early 20s.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Is that the same doctor who said I was bipolar? I'm just curious that was. Right. Are the pediatrician. Yeah. Who said I was bipolar. Not. Not quite, sir. No. I will not be taking lithium. I literally just need some therapy. Like that's. I need someone to care about my feelings. That's it.

[Caroline]

So he was off base once or twice, you know, Anyway. So now I could see myself maybe taking medication and I thought about it. But you want to know what's hilarious? I have adhd. And getting myself to the doctor to have a conversation about adhd medication will happen in like six years.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Whenever I, And I may have. I may have like, what do you. What do you call it? Derailed you because you were taught you were going to say something about. It was like a thought that you were like, I better say this now or I'll forget. My ADHD has changed over the years from childhood to adulthood.

[Caroline]

Right. Just like with maturity. Because I'm a mature adult that has a job and has responsibilities and I have to like, sustain myself and my lifestyle and all these things. I know what tasks I need to do and have to get them done because I understand what's at stake. Like, I am responsible for my life in a way that I wasn't when I was like 12.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah. And so prefrontal cortex and all that.

[Caroline]

Yes. And so even though I still have the adhd, I have the self awareness and understanding to know that I need to prioritize and complete XYZ and have this kind of structure and overcome what I know exists within the adhd. Right. Like the, the blockers and roadblocks that it's creating. Like, I know that I. I know that I have to navigate past them and around them to get things done. So there's just like some more maturity with it.

[Lizzie Smiley]

So I want to talk about. I want to kind of wrap up with this concept and then I'm going to read a quick list of successful women with adhd. But I would love to. I really wanted to ask you this because I know you'll have opinions about what you think the, the biggest misconceptions are about adhd, especially with women. I had one because, remember, I grew up and I didn't. I was never diagnosed and I never even noticed. When did you even say you started watching? It was probably 2020 and you were watching TikTok and you're like, girl, you, you have. Because it presented so differently in us. I was a very focused student.

[Caroline]

Yes. But there are some other, like, personality similarities that I would see us have.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, like what?

[Caroline]

Well, how we both will be like squirrel and very Excited and lose our train of thought and other things.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I know there's hyper fixation. Hyper fixation?

[Caroline]

Yeah. Right? Yeah. Like the way that you and I like get excited and spend on things like, you know what I mean? Like there was just like certain traits where I'm like, oh, okay. Yeah. But also you're like super, super creative. You have insanely high emotional intelligence. Like you can be really hyper focused. I feel like you are really adaptable. So like you had like, you know, a myriad of them. But wait, what was the question?

[Lizzie Smiley]

It was, it was about misconceptions. Misconceptions about adhd. It's. It was my fault. I asked you a second question.

[Caroline]

I think a really big misconception and I don't know that it's as big now. I think it was big when I was growing up and it's one that I had to recognize as well. Is that again, like I was saying earlier, it's not just a learning disability. It wasn't until I was in my 20s that I realized on a, on a day to day basis how it impacts everything I do. It's impacting me as I'm driving. It's impacting me while I'm working, while I'm cooking, while I'm showering, while. You know what I mean? The whole way that my brain is firing is impacted by this. It is not just when I'm doing homework and so learning that. Oh my gosh, why would this question not stay misquoted?

[Lizzie Smiley]

Oh, because it's misconceptions. It's. Because it's, it's actually kind of challenging.

[Caroline]

So yeah, I think that's a misconception. You talk to a lot of people who are starting businesses and becoming entrepreneurial and like, you know, striving towards challenging goals. So you might hear this more. I have never at least felt that because I had ADHD it would keep me from being successful.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah, same.

[Caroline]

I think anyone who thinks that that's listening will stop. Stop it.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah, it's just a thought. It's not the truth. It's just a thought.

[Caroline]

Totally. There are so many things about it that I think make us such creative, interesting, focused, like problem solving and actually.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Perfect for entrepreneurship types of people.

[Caroline]

Total. Totally, totally, totally. So, yeah, I don't, I don't think I have more than that. I think a big, really a big misconception. It's really because of just how it was treated when we were growing up. I really thought it was, you know, academically.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It'S the freaking cedar or oak or whatever. Cedar. Okay, so that was actually the perfect thing to say because I'm going to read you a list of famous women diagnosed with adhd. And this is confirmed. It was created six years ago. Margot Robbie, Michelle Rodriguez, Simone Biles, Rita Simmons, Zoe Deschanel, Eva Longoria, Emma Watson, Sheridan Smith, Greta Gerwig, Shakira, Jessica Elba, Avril Lavigne, Nellie Furtado, Mila Kunis, Carrie Underwood, Hilary Duff, Sophie Turner, Mara Wilson, Liv Tyler, Emmy Rossum, Taylor Swift, Kristen Ritter.

[Caroline]

Yes, that shocks me.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yes. She actually has been in ongoing treatment since she was a child. Yeah. Kristen Ritter, Lily Allen, Victoria Pedretti, Jennifer Conley, Mel B. Kara Delavina. I don't know if I said that right. Amelia Clark, Paris Hilton, Solange, Dakota Johnson, Cameron Diaz, Katie Prince, Amy Adams, Hillary Swank, Salma Hayek, Chloe Bennett, Julia Fox, Fox, Megan Fox, Alice Eve Busy Phillips, Zoe Saldana, Alicia Keys, and Florence Pugh. But I'm Ching. And of course, Jenna Kutcher. So clearly, clearly, we're in the right sisterhood.

[Caroline]

Yeah, that's an impressive list of people.

[Lizzie Smiley]

I know. I actually didn't realize it was going to be that long.

[Caroline]

List of people.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Yeah, Sorry about that.

[Caroline]

But very creative and talented.

[Lizzie Smiley]

So I hope that this is helpful. A like number one. You guys are going to hear me talk about this a lot more. Your mindset is everything. You can either think and believe and act as though ADHD is going to be crippling to you and paralyze you from any success and prevent you from going forward. Or you can believe that everything is figureoutable and you can turn this into a superpower. I think that the key is, is analyzing, understanding your own limitations and then filling the gaps. So if you're struggling at a really extreme rate, get your tush to the doctor and let them help you. And maybe some medication can change the game for you. And if you don't want to do that, go to a holistic doctor, go to a functional medicine doctor and find out what natural things you can be doing. Because I know that there are certain diets and things like that, things you can remove from your diet that can help a lot. Now, for me, the whole reason I was on Tracy Otsuka's podcast was because I'm just like, pretty sure I have adhd. Refuse to get diagnosed. Thank you and good night. And usually she requires that people are diagnosed to be on the podcast, but she thought that would be an interesting conversation point. And I just said, listen, it's not whole. I don't feel Held back in any way, shape or form. I feel energized, excited. I'm not going to speak in absolutes and say I would never get diagnosed, I would never have medication. I don't know what menopause is going to bring for me. So I think getting the tools around you that'll help you thrive, whether it's, you know, medication, whether it's functional medicine, whether it's just resources like, like Tracy Utsuka's book, whether it's community, like, what if it was just normalized for you a little more? What if it's just getting on TikTok and listening to the people and feeling like less of an alien, you know?

[Caroline]

Yeah, I think it's huge, even just having awareness about it, because again, I'm not. I'm not medicated. I do have a diagnosis. But being aware of what kind of roadblocks you may have because of ADHD helps you, like, plan around them. Like, you can really circumnavigate any of the things that hold you back if you just have. Have awareness of them and you can create tools or processes to help you, you know, overcome. Because, like, that's what I'm doing. You know what I mean? I'm not just having an understanding of the way that I function and operate and where I know there might be pitfalls and how I can work around them. Like, it's powerful.

[Lizzie Smiley]

It's a beautiful time in history to be a woman with adhd because we're understanding it better, we're developing tools, and it's no longer ostracized. It's just. It's just neurodivergence. Oh, cool. We need to help you in this way. And so I think it can be very empowering. And now we have literally chatted, interrupted each other, mostly me, changed subjects, and spiderwebbed a thousand times over the course of an hour and two minutes. So, Caroline, thank you so much for your willing to be vulnerable and come chat.

[Caroline]

Thank you for having me. I hope this was interesting.

[Lizzie Smiley]

We'll find out. Yeah, I think so.

[Caroline]

Haven't I told you all I. I will feel deeply any rejection and criticism.

[Lizzie Smiley]

Be gentle, be gentle, be gentle. Well, guys, thank you for hanging out. I hope it's encouraging and you've enjoyed our company and community around this because you are not alone and you can do this. So until next week, go make something awesome. I love you guys.

[Caroline]

Bye. Bye. Bye.

[Lizzie Smiley]

And that's a wrap on this episode of how to sell your stuff on Etsy. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. For hanging out with me today. If you're looking for more resources, head on over to howtosellyourstuff.com where you'll find podcast show notes, all the links from today's episode, the blog courses, coaching, and more. If this episode was helpful to you, awesome. The greatest compliment I can receive from you is a rate, review and subscribe on this podcast. Not only will it allow us to connect again on a future episode, it lets me know I'm providing you with value and helps other people find this content more easily. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your support. Have a great day and see you next time.