126: Common Sense Medicine: Energy, Mitochondria, and Healing | Al Sanchez

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Podcast Summary: I AM HealingStrong

Episode 126: Common Sense Medicine: Energy, Mitochondria, and Healing | Al Sanchez

Release Date: March 6, 2026
Host: Jim Mann (HealingStrong)
Guest: Al Sanchez

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Overview

This episode explores the concept of "Common Sense Medicine," focusing on energy, mitochondria, and healing, with guest Al Sanchez. Drawing from personal experience, scientific insight, and practical advice, Al and Jim discuss how lifestyle choices, stress management, nutrition, and targeted supplements like PolyMVA can impact healing, especially for those facing chronic illnesses such as cancer. The conversation is driven by real-life stories, down-to-earth metaphors, and actionable takeaways for anyone seeking to optimize health and recovery.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Al Sanchez’s Journey into Alternative Healing

• Family Motivation:
  • Al’s mother passed away when he was 3, which led his father (an educator and researcher) to seek alternative health options.
  • “My mother passed away July 20th of 1972. I’m three years old, youngest of four. My dad realizes ... they told him everything that was available to try, but he learned later on that there was other things.” (01:36)
• Early Successes:
  • Al’s sister’s recovery due to a vitamin B2 deficiency fueled further exploration into holistic and nutritional therapies.
• Transition to Cancer and AIDS Therapies:
  • Al’s father was exposed to therapies like Myers’ cocktails and high-dose vitamin C, leading towards cancer research in the 1990s.

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Common Sense Medicine & Health Maintenance

• Car and Plant Analogies:
  • Maintaining your health is like caring for a car or a plant: routine “maintenance” and the right environment are critical.
    • “The better you maintain that car, then the better that car is going to maintain you.” (06:22)
    • “If something was wrong with one of our plants, would we … rush to giving it some type of medication … ? Let’s start with the simple stuff.” (14:12)
• The Problem with Quick Fixes:
  • Many people reach for medications instead of first addressing root causes like dehydration, stress, or lack of rest.
    • “We want to go, ‘hey, give me two Tylenol or some Advil or whatever,’ and let me just keep going because I got a project to do.” (00:00, repeated at 18:33)

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Energy, Aging, and Mitochondria

• Metabolism & Mitochondrial Function:
  • Youthful energy is equated to abundant, efficient mitochondria; aging decreases this capacity, but lifestyle can help preserve it.
    • “It directly comes down to metabolism ... these little things called mitochondria that are little engines inside of our cells.” (04:07)
• Consistency Over Intensity:
  • It’s more important to be consistent—“life is not a sprint, it’s a marathon.” (09:45)
• Stress as a Silent Killer:
  • Chronic stress deteriorates health by impacting the nervous system, brain, sleep, and dietary habits.
    • “That’s why stress, stress is the silent killer, as it’s often discussed.” (10:02)
• Genetics & Epigenetics:
  • Environment, stress, and habits can influence gene expression more than inherited disease predispositions.

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PolyMVA: What It Is and When to Use It

• Origins & Purpose:
  • Developed by Dr. Garnett, PolyMVA supports cellular energy and metabolism, rather than targeting a specific disease.
    • “He created it, discovered it, and put it all together.” (12:41)
• How It Works:
  • Acts as a nutraceutical to help “restore, revitalize, and rejuvenate” cells depending on their state.
    • “The better we can stabilize that energy...this is where Poly comes in...restore that to repair that, to help that cell.” (21:48)
• Variable Dosing:
  • Dosage depends on individual need (e.g., level of energy depletion, environmental stress).

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Navigating Health Choices & Information Overload

• Start Simple:
  • Address basics first: nutrition, hydration, sleep, stress, movement, environment.
    • “Let’s start there and then let’s work towards a drug or a procedure...[after] we just took care of 60% of it.” (15:30)
• Caution Against Gimmicks:
  • Be wary of miracle cures, especially those found online or lacking longitudinal research.
    • “When you hear that, run, go the other direction.” (32:59)

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Healing Approaches: Integrative, Not ‘Either/Or’

• Combination of Approaches:
  • Natural therapies and pharmaceuticals both have a place, depending on circumstances.
• Pet Applications:
  • PolyMVA also benefits animals—useful because pets aren’t susceptible to the placebo effect.
    • “When you see it work in the animals, then you know for sure it’s going to work in the humans.” (29:04)

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Importance of Community & Mindset

• Role of Community:
  • The most successful healing environments have strong social/community support and purposeful engagement—the “Blue Zones” concept. (24:59)
• Hope & Empowerment:
  • Patient stories and support groups (like HealingStrong) are key to fostering hope and tangible change.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Life is not a sprint, it is a marathon. So the better we can average that out...that’s what it’s going to come down to.” — Al Sanchez (09:45)
• “Stress is the silent killer...because it impacts our health in ways that ultimately come down to our metabolism.” — Al Sanchez (10:02)
• “Supplements are different than drugs. They’re not drugs. PolyMVA, I call a nutraceutical because it was actually designed to do something specific.” — Al Sanchez (30:08)
• “Go to the ones that have been around. Go to the ones that have the research. Don’t get caught up in the Internet and what’s the new fastest. ... Stay away from the fly by nights.” — Al Sanchez (31:40)
• “If something was wrong with one of our plants, would we ... rush to giving it some type of medication? ... Let’s start with the simple stuff.” — Al Sanchez (14:12)
• “The average cell has 2,000 mitochondria per cell. Your heart cell has 3,500 to 5,000 mitochondria per cell.” — Al Sanchez (35:13)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:00–07:20 — Al’s family history and entry into alternative medicine
• 09:00–12:00 — The impact of stress, metabolism, and personalized health
• 14:00–18:00 — Common sense medicine and pitfalls of the conventional system
• 21:20–23:50 — PolyMVA dosage, target, and how mitochondria function
• 24:59–27:25 — The Blue Zones and the importance of movement and community
• 29:04–30:08 — PolyMVA for pets and the significance of placebo
• 31:40–33:26 — Choosing reliable health interventions and avoiding scams
• 35:13–36:01 — Mitochondrial numbers and their physical significance

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Additional Resources Mentioned

• PolyMVA Healing Strong Page: Special resources for HealingStrong groups (Find in show notes)
• Blue Zones: Research into the longest-lived, healthiest populations

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Conclusion

This episode blends powerful personal stories, grounded scientific explanations, and actionable health wisdom. Al Sanchez encourages listeners to approach health challenges with practical, incremental changes—hydration, nutrition, rest, community, and sensible supplementation—rather than jumping straight to pharmaceuticals or radical solutions. Whether overcoming cancer or optimizing everyday wellness, the message is about regaining agency and hope through "common sense medicine" and supportive communities.

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Transcript

[A]

They have a headache. Well, it's probably because you're dehydrated. Take a big glass of water, go rest for 20 or 30 minutes. Let your, you know, 8 out of 10 times for me, my headache goes away. My stress, I'm stressed. I got, you know, a lot of tension. It was a rough day. Tell you what, get a little bit of a massage, put some heat packed on it, go lay on the couch, listen to some nice music in the sun, in the park, barefooted. Wow. What do you know? My headache went away. See what I mean? But that takes 30 to 40 minutes of being active, and we don't want to do that. We want to go, hey, give me two Tylenol or some Advil or whatever, and let me just keep going because I got a project I got to do.

[B]

You're listening to the I Am Healing Strong podcast, a part of the Healing Strong organization, the number one network of holistic cancer support groups in the world. Each week we bring you stories of hope, stories, real stories that will encourage you as you navigate your way on your own journey to health. Now here's your host, stage four cancer thriver Jim Mann.

[C]

I am talking to Al Sanchez, who is going to explain a lot of stuff to me because I've heard him talk. It makes sense when he talks, but I'm just. This is an area that I am just not familiar with. So Al is. You have a little challenge here, but that's okay. I'm sure you're up.

[A]

I like. I like a good challenge, Jim, so bring it on.

[C]

Yeah. You were telling me earlier how you got into what you do. Anyway, so tell me again, like, your father was into it first, right?

[A]

My mother passed away July 20th of 1972. I'm three years old, youngest of four. My dad realizes that it's. At the time he thought they told him everything that was available to try, but he learned later on that there was other things. Fast forward to my next sister getting ill in the hospital, and they can't figure it out. And my dad's a little panicky. He just lost his wife. How's he going to lose a daughter? He reads down in the hospital library about the importance of vitamin B2. He goes to the pharmacy, gets some B2, gives it to my sister, and she recovers. By that next morning, Dr. Comes in and says, well, I guess whatever we did must have worked. And my dad goes, no, it was her B2 deficiency that caused this. And I read it in one of your own library. Look. And the doctor didn't believe him and he left the hospital. Fast forward another decade. My dad was a school principal, Ph.D. educator, a gentleman who had AIDS, had known my ad for a long time, entrusted his whole family's. Whatever happened to him, my dad would be the executor, et cetera, et cetera. So my dad gets exposed to all these therapies that come out about for AIDS patients. This is where we get Myers cocktails. This is where we get high dose vitamin C. This is where all this stuff actually started. Jim was back in the 80s because if you remember that time, it was very polarizing and they left them with no other choices and no other alternatives. So then that kicks off naturally into cancer therapies, which then gravitates to the 90s. My dad realizes that the world is using all kinds of different things that wasn't even being mentioned in the US and he starts his journey that led him to what I now represent in Paulie MVA and Dr. Garnett. And that's the short version.

[C]

Wow. Okay.

[A]

Yeah, so. Oh, and my sister passed away. So that's what brought me involved with it to like help my dad because I was too young to experience my mother's death. But when Tina passed away, that, that really hit me hard and like, okay, I got, let me go help dad and see what he's doing. And then down that rabbit hole I went and haven't come back since.

[C]

Yeah, so poly MVA has been around for a while, but I'm just hearing about it, which, you know, that's not unusual. But can you explain to, you know, pretend I'm in, in kindergarten, Explain it to me.

[A]

Okay, well, if we're in kindergarten, then, you know, in kindergarten you have lots of energy, right?

[C]

Yes, I remember that.

[A]

All right. And you can run around all day long. You can bounce up and down on the asphalt, run up and down the jungle gyms, up and down the slides and keep on going. And then you're just looking for your next meal to get recharged, your next nap, to take a breath, to take a rest, to get recovered, and then you get back up and you do it again. But think about that energy and then compare someone in kindergarten versus someone who's of age well above into their 60s or 70s. Is that the same amount of energy? Do they recover as well? No. And it directly comes down to metabolism. So when you really dive into energy and metabolism, this is why our dieter is so important. This is why sleep is so important. This is why. This is why stress is so not important. Because it impacts our health in ways that ultimately come down to our metabolism with these little things called mitochondria that are little engines inside of our cells. And the better we can keep that, wow, imagine how healthy then we become in relation to it. It's really that simple.

[C]

You said you're an engineer. Your background is in engineering, a problem solver. That's what engineer is. Right?

[A]

Right.

[C]

Were you working as an engineer when you left to help your dad?

[A]

Or that what it was, that was my back. And I was just going to help him out. Right. It was just to kind of help him.

[C]

Right.

[A]

My dad was the guy. He was the researcher. He went into all the cancer therapies. He knew all the doctors. He pretty much went back to school to educate on the medical side to explain what was going on in these cancer patients. Right. As I'm sure you've heard in lots of different discussions and podcasts that you may have been on with different people, it can be pretty sciency, and that's important to a certain level. But, for example, you know your car that's probably sitting in your driveway, your garage, do you know how it works? Do you know how all the electrical systems are put together? Like, no, I need a. You know, if you don't. If you no longer have a key, you have a key fob that has a battery in it, you have to replace, you know, where the gas tank is. You know, you got some maintenance, like oil changes and rotates and tires and brakes, but you probably couldn't understand it, explain it. You just kind of know it all works together, and you're glad that it does when you got to go from point A to point B. Right?

[C]

Right.

[A]

And you know that if you. The better you maintain that car, then the better that car is going to maintain you. If you were able to wash it every week, keep it in the garage, wash off all the. All the road dust and debris and, you know, know, keep that thing clean. And you hold onto that thing for 50 or 60 years. Wow. What happens to the value of that car if you were to hold on to an original car almost of any form now? Its value goes from, right, whatever you bought it at to then practically nothing to then ramped up to some, oh, my God, you got an original 1972 Ford Pinto, let alone if you got a original 1965 Fastback GT250. You see what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. And so that's the value of maintaining your car. Imagine what the value of maintaining our body is. Right. It doesn't mean that we're not going to get wear and tear and some breakdown but the better we can maintain it, the better we change our oil, the better, the cleaner the gas we run, the then guess what, it lasts us much longer time.

[C]

Let's use me as an example of course because I know myself but I've always had a very high metabolism. You know, I've always been skinny. I have a lot of energy.

[A]

Good.

[C]

I think that's really what helped me heal from my cancer. I'm sure that had a big part in it also. Yeah, now that I'm in my 60s, I've re, I've noticed that just in the last year or two, you know, I'm like running out of steam. And you know, most people say, well you know, you're just getting older and it does, you know that's going to happen a little as you get older. Of course, you know, necessary. Everyone can run a marathon in their 90s. But like my dad, he lived in 96. We brought him into our homes. My mom was experiencing dementia so we brought him up in Florida. And I would come home from, from work, I'd come home at noon because it was on the morning show and my 94 year old dad at that time he had already raked my yard and had like five big black, those big trash bags full of leaves and he's waiting for me to take him know somewhere and dump them. Like dad, you're 94, where are you getting his energy? He's always, he's always been slow motion one energy but still.

[A]

But he's consistent.

[C]

Yeah, I have a, there's no stress in his life. Well, I probably gave him some but other than that, you know, I've always been kind of like that only I've been more hyper, I'm more like a chihuahua. But it is, it is going to worry me and I don't want to think it's just age but like by the afternoon I'm like, I don't feel like doing anything and I don't want to sit down and watch TV because then I just feel like a loser. Does something like this poly mba, would that make a difference in my life?

[A]

Oh definitely. Especially at your stage of where you're at because that's where our mitochondria, that's where our energy production, that's where all the little processes that go into giving us the energy come from. And it's not just energy as in, you know, we think of our muscles. Right, right. Think of, you know, how clear headed is Your dad and your mom, even though they were older, he was pretty clear.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So to think even clearly requires energy processing in our brain. So it's not just. This isn't energy, like, okay, we can lift another 300 pounds. Those are a lot of other physiological factors that are going to change as we age. Right?

[C]

Right.

[A]

What's more important is that he's consistent. Right. You said he wasn't a fast mover, but guess what? He was consistent. Life is not a sprint, it is a marathon. So the better we can average that out through the course of any one given day, let alone over the course of our lifetime. That's what it's going to come down to. And you said something key that you're like, well, he didn't have a lot of stress. It's why stress is called the silent killer. Truly, imagine feeling at peace and your day is just going to be nice and easy. You're not having to worry about running here, picking up that, getting, taking care of this. You know, you being, you know, into your 60s and me being into my 50s. Now, believe me, I was high strung, always going, never stopped, you know, the second I got up in the morning, I was up. I didn't go. The second I went to bed, I was down. It was, what's the old saying, you know, the fools do not who they toil for. I think, is that the right way I said it? I don't know. But the method being is, what are we doing, what we're doing for. What are we putting ourselves through? We thought we have a family, we have this, we got responsibilities, we got to take care of this. We got this bill to pay. We got this. And that in itself is stressful. And that actually breaks down our brain, our nervous system. It affects our sleep, it affects our dietary patterns, it affects our lifestyle. That's why stress, stress is the silent killer, as it's often discussed, because of that. And so we're really learning here in the 21st century how important this is. And it's actually all relatively new. I mean, we've known about having a good diet for a long time. But what does that really mean? What does that really look like? You know, we're not talking the marketing stuff that we hear on TV and this ad for that diet or this weight loss. It's common sense, understanding eating for. And resting and for you and your lifestyle. For me and my lifestyle. You might be a redwood tree and I might be an orange citrus tree. Okay? We still need sunlight, water, and good soil. But my Environment would be ideal in Florida or California. Your environment's going to be up in the higher elevation. That's where you're going to thrive, and that's where I'm going to thrive. So. But we're still going to need a recipe of the same ingredients. So we're really understanding that perspective on the types of individuals. And I think this is where understanding our genes is far more important than saying, oh, do you have a predisposition for cancer or heart disease or this? Maybe, maybe not. But guess what? If you do these other things, the expression of those genes change, and that's directly related to our environment, our stress, our sleep, all that fun stuff.

[C]

Right. Thanks for making me a redwood. That's. That's a cool tree.

[A]

No problem.

[C]

Not a weeping willow or something like that. Now, doctor, was it Dr. Garnett is the one who came up with the. The poly mva.

[A]

Yep, yep. He created it. He discovered it. He created it and. And put it all together.

[C]

That's right. Well, I did notice that every picture of a doctor who did something, they're always at their little microscope. Is that what they do? Hey, I want your picture. So they go over to a.

[A]

He honestly was on that thing. Every time I ever saw him in the lab, that's what he did. It truly was. He was. It was either that or he was your. His back was to you on the whiteboard because he was putting his thoughts and trying to put it all together, what he was trying to do.

[C]

I. I talk about this a lot, just about every podcast, because, you know, there's so many things that are coming about now. Used to be just chemo and then whatever some hippie tells you to do, which, you know, you didn't listen to them. I'm not going to hug the tree or whatever. But now, you know, it's turning out that they were a lot smarter than we realized now that all that kind of started making sense because we know our bodies were. Were created to heal themselves, which some people are like, it doesn't make sense. But when you cut yourself, it heals automatically, as long as you keep it clean. But there's so much stuff coming at us. You know, how do you know what to do, what path to take is. It's almost like a tidal wave. Once you get a diagnosis and you're looking at all these alternative protocols and whatever, how do you decipher what to do? I mean, the poly mba, I mean, how do you know you need that or. Or what else you need? It's overwhelming and it makes people are like deer in headlights sometimes.

[A]

Sure. You know, I try and simplify that as best I can and I call it, you know, common sense. And I like to refer to it as common sense medicine. You don't have to be a PhD MD to figure it out. To be totally honest, I use the analogy of plants. So if something was wrong with one of our plants, would we initially rush to giving it some type of medication or antifungal or, you know, some microbe? I mean, that might be needed, but we're initially going to be like, okay, well, maybe, maybe the soil isn't have enough nutrients in it. Maybe we're underwatering it or over watering it. Maybe the plant's being stressed out. Maybe it's not getting enough sunshine. Maybe there's some pollution or chemicals around it that are affecting it because I put in some new air freshener that I'm using. I don't know. Right. Let's start with the simple stuff. You know, your car is not working right. Okay. Might just be a low battery or dead battery. Maybe you got some bad gas. Maybe you need to change your air filter. Maybe it is your computer that's wrong in your car. But let's start. Don't go straight for the heavy stuff. Use the common sense with what we know.

[C]

Don't take the transmission apart.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. It's a good idea. Yeah. So there's diagnostic steps when we do those other things. Why don't we bring that common sense, simple diagnostics to the human body when it's not doing well? I think it would serve us a lot better by looking towards our nutrients, our stress, the amount of water we're drinking. Right. The chemicals in our environment. I mean, and when you take on, let's say those top five, imagine the shift that, that that creates. And I've seen it. I'm guessing you probably have seen it as well. That's powerful. Let's start there and then let's work towards a drug or a procedure or something that might be more beneficial because we just took. Maybe we wouldn't need as much of that drug because we just took care of 60% of it. So now all we have to do is be on something for a little bit. Okay. I think that's a better way to approach it than it is to just say you go to a doctor, what do they do? They write you a prescription. Yeah, Here's a great example. And I think it'll hopefully explain this to the reasons of why I'll never forget when I Was out at the park on a Mother's Day in California. I always wear sandals in the park, on the grass. I go barefooted. I must have stepped on a bee and got a bee thing and didn't really notice it till later. And then all of a sudden, my foot starts swelling. And I'm watching it, watching it. I happen to be going to a city where the doctor was the next day. And so, hey, I made an appointment, go check it out. And they're like, yeah, looks like a bee sting. You don't seem to be allergic. So no big deal. I'm about to walk out the door, and he hands me a prescription. And I said, what's this? He goes, it's an antibiotic. I went, why would you prescribe me an antibiotic? Just in case. In case what? Am I exhibiting anything that looks like to be it's infected? Is my temperature rising? Did you draw some blood and look at my blood count? No. And so I got into it with him for a little bit, and to make a point to him, I tore it up and threw it in the trash. And he goes, you know, he goes, by law, I have to do that. I looked at him, excuse me. He's like, if on the by chance something did happen and I didn't prescribe you something, you could come back on me. He says, this is my get out of jail free card. And I shook my head and I went, omg, I get it right? He's only protecting himself. And he didn't think he was doing anything bad by just giving me a prescription. But that's the way our system is set up. And that's not a good way to have a. A health care system, in my opinion. But it taught me a lot about standard of care, what they're required to do, you know, litigation, all the fun stuff of what we have here in a capitalistic society. Right?

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. It's so sad that people have to just think about what happens if I get sued. You know, how can I cover myself? Because everyone likes to sue these days, and it's crazy, but what can you do?

[A]

Well, this is where, like I said, how do we approach it? With a little bit of common sense.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and, and, and, and we have to adjust that for each situation. And in my case, guess what? It was a bee sting. I monitored it. I made sure I iced it. I kept looking at it. I just didn't ignore it and pretend like it wasn't there. Right. I was actively participating in my health and taking responsibility for me I wasn't going to own it to give it to somebody else, but I wasn't going to blindly just take an antibiotic and kill all the good, healthy gut in my bacteria because I was taught that by my dad. And so you see how it changes from a generation to generation, you know, and my three sons are, they're feisty. Attack. They won't take a pharmaceutical. No, they're going to go to, you know, naturals and supplements and. Oh, they have a headache. Well, it's probably because you're dehydrated. Take a big glass of water, go rest for 20 or 30 minutes, let your, you know, 8 out of 10 times for me, my headache goes away. My stress, I'm stressed. I got, you know, a lot of tension. It was a rough day. Tell you what, get a little bit of a massage, put some heat packed on it, go lay on the couch, listen to some nice music in the sun, in the park, barefooted. Wow. What do you know? My headache went away. See what I mean? But that, that, that takes 30 to 40 minutes of being active and we don't want to do that. We want to go, hey, give me two Tylenol or some Advil or whatever and let me just keep going because I got a project I got to do. Okay? Right.

[C]

Yeah. My youngest daughter is down in Florida studying to be a nurse. And she tells me all the time and she's kind of an introvert, so she's not going to be, you know, real outspoken. But the, the professor is like talking about these different things, these natural things, how she says they don't, they don't really work kind of thing. And you know, my, my daughter will raise her hand. Well, my, my dad did that and he's cancer free. And she's like. And you know, she can't really say anything about that. No, well, good for him kind of thing.

[A]

Right, right, right.

[C]

But yeah, she does, she. Here's what I, what I talk about and about gut health and all that kind of stuff. And it does go through generations. And so they'll, my kids will think differently and.

[A]

Well, and it can be both. I'm not saying it's one or the other.

[C]

Right.

[A]

I mean, but again, going back to that plant analogy, let's say there is a bug on the plant. It's kind of some little bug infestation. Okay. Are you going to stop watering it? Are you going to stop exposing it to the sun? Are you going to stop giving it its good nutrition? If anything, you're probably going to make sure it has more of that, right? And then you might spot treat, right? You're not just going to use a weed killer across the darn thing. Maybe you're going to spot treat that one location so it doesn't spread or cut the one leave off so it can. Okay, great. But you don't just poison the whole plant. You don't poison the soil, Right?

[C]

No, no, no, you shouldn't. Anyway, right back to the poly mva, because that really interests me as I, as I read that. But I saw the, like the charts, the low and the high and the medium. Okay, I forgot what they were. Can you explain that? Like, is it, is it like if you really, like, if your energy is really low or whatever, do you start with the high or how does that work?

[A]

So what it is depending on where you're at and what you need to restore, right? I use the three yards, Right. Is it like to restore, to revitalize and to rejuvenate. Right. All our cells are not at the same level in our body right now. Some are stable and doing what they need to do. Others are just beginning and some are dying off. Right? And then everything in between all those stages, those require different levels of energy to be happening at the same time. The better we can stabilize that energy. And this is where Polly comes in. Or restore that to repair that, to help that cell. Okay. Might we need to use a lot or might we need to use a little? You know, if it's 120 degrees outside, you're probably going to be drinking a lot more water today than if it was 45 degrees. Just saying. Because the environment's gonna. You're gonna lose a lot more water in 120 heat than you will in 45. So you need to replenish that accordingly when it comes to metabolism, when it comes to those little mitochondria, the little engines that create that so that your liver can do what your liver has to do. I mean, look at what your heart, it's. Your heart is. Our hearts are beating, right. Nonstop as long as we're alive.

[C]

Right?

[A]

There's no coincidence that. Guess what? Our heart tissues have the highest concentration of mitochondria per cell than any other tissue in the body. Common sense, right? Yeah. So I'm sure you've known some people that have had heart issues, right? Whether it's able to get oxygen to it, get enough blood to the system, right? These are the basics of life. And the better we can support and target that, then guess what? We've restored our heart, our Ejection fraction comes up. We're able to now breathe. We can now go up and down a flight of stairs again. Why? Well, it all starts here. The poly is has the ability to support those cells. So it's not targeting a disease. It's not targeting. It's targeting the way our cells work and it's just the way they work. You know, I didn't make it up. I just, I. I just know what they need and all these little factors that play a role into it.

[C]

Right?

[A]

And you recharge that. Guess what? You're. You. You said you earlier you had, you had some immunotherapy. Okay. It always makes me think. What? Because when I think of an immunotherapy, I'm thinking something that's going to target our immune system. What's going to uplift our immune system to better support your body. To go after, take care of, delete out, get rid of in your liver, pump it around with your blood, turn on the lymphocytes, turn on the NK killer cells. That doesn't happen by magic, Jim. That happens by biochemical reactions that need lots of energy to drive them. Okay?

[C]

Yeah. It just takes a little understanding of what, what's happening so you can use some common sense. Like for instance, you know, for, for someone to have the poly MBA yet they're not eating anything nutritious or exercising. They're sitting on the couch. That's not going to do it. Right. You got to make sure you're putting in the nutrition, you know, the basics, actually getting out, moving, being outside.

[A]

It's interesting that you mentioned that because it made me think of a speaker I just heard a week and a half ago. And he talked about the longevity and he was looking at those that lived the longest and those that were the healthiest, comparing their activity levels, their diet, their lifestyles and putting that whole thing together. A great program about that is called the Blue Zones. Have you ever heard that? Okay, look at the difference in it and then look. But more importantly, look at the common denominators in that. And it's community. It's not the same foods. Right? Different foods, generally simple foods, non processed, non fast food. Right. It's an activity level that keeps you involved in your community. Could be gardening. You do not have to be a gym jockey. You don't have to be pumping iron every day. You do not have to be running and hustling and climbing hills and doing CrossFit. No. Yes, that engages our muscles, but so does gardening, so does walking back and Forth and up and down the stairs and going to the store and taking a walk around the park and chasing the dog. Our bodies were not built for that. When you think about it. We can force them into it. But for any of us that ever seen bodybuilders or people, it takes a lot of energy and too much resource to actually maintain huge muscle masses. We're not designed for that. We're not also designed to sit and just hibernate out and hang out, but we simply do that constant movement, because muscle movement is actually easy. Right. Move around, you pick up this, you get up, you sit down. But what that actually does is it moves our lymphatic system. This is something that take a whole different discussion to get into, but that's what that engages. Right? The fact that I'm moving my arm up and down, that's great from a physical perspective. But more importantly, it's exercising my lymph nodes. Right? It's rot. When you look at where your lymph nodes are at and what they do and how they're the filter of the body, that's a whole nother conversation on the detoxification of the body. Guess what? That requires energy too. You see where I'm going? Common sense. Stick with it. You keep moving. The nutritional diet, the good mental, the meditation, the prayer, the loving family. Really how much easier it is to grow. I mean, think about growing a plant. Is a plant going to grow better in that environment or is it going to grow better in a stressed out environment where sometimes it might get water, sometimes it might not get water, sometimes it gets in the sun. Right.

[C]

Yes. I got to go water my plants. Thanks a lot.

[A]

Okay, no problem.

[C]

So when did you cross paths with Healing Strong?

[A]

Oh, my goodness. 2018 at cancer control there in Los Angeles.

[C]

Okay, 2018. They also did a convention in Atlanta. That's how I came across them. Okay. So crazy.

[A]

Well, they're, they're an amazing group of, of individuals. A lot of women that are just women are so much stronger warriors than enough men. You know, you look at a good man and I guarantee behind him you'll find a better woman.

[C]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. In my, my group that I lead Healing Strong, it's like it's all women. I'm the only guy.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

And they all have breast cancer. And yeah, of course I had the melanoma.

[A]

Right.

[C]

But yeah, and they're, they're incredible. And I wish one of them would step up to be the leader every year. I've been doing this for like six years. Every year. Like, you know, I don't really want to be the leader anybody wants that for, but they don't. I think they enjoy seeing me squirm, basically. I watched your video. You spoke to the leaders that there's a. A special page on your website for healing strong.

[A]

There is. I don't have it off the top of my head.

[C]

I might. Would it be PolyMVA StoreHealing Strong one? Does that sound right?

[A]

Sounds about right.

[C]

But yeah, we'll definitely have that in the show notes. But yeah, that's incredible. And then check out these different types of. There's probably MBA for pets also. Right.

[A]

The wonderful thing with pets, for all of us that love our pets, is there's no placebo effect with pets. So you asked earlier about how do we differentiate what's working, what's not. When you see it work in the animals, then you know for sure it's going to work in the humans. Because one, the physiology is really close. And two, animals have no placebo effect, sadly. I mean, good thing at a certain level. But there's up to 30% margin in any clinical trial. Any clinical trial, Jim, that is all about placebo. Just be the power of our mind, which is amazing. Which speaks to why stress and being in a good mindset and having good relationships is so important because it plays a powerful role. You know, when we feel safe and secure and loved and in a safe place, that level of stress does what just comes right on down.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then with that, our body now doesn't have to allocate any of those resources to take care of that. Then it can help focus on healing. And then we bring in our diet, then we bring in these protocols, then we bring in the supplementations. Right. Supplements are different than drugs. They're not drugs.

[C]

Right.

[A]

They are nutritional supplements. Poly mba, I call a Nutraceutical because it was actually designed to do something specific, whereas vitamin C is just vitamin C. But vitamin C used as a specific tool can be very powerful for the same reasons we take it for having a cold. Imagine the advanced support that vitamin C can do for advanced immune situations for cancer patients. That's what I'm talking about. So you touched on, you know, your daughter gets, you know, raises her hand and says, oh yeah, my, my dad did this. And the doctor dismisses it. And they're like, well, go look at the studies on CoQ10. Go look at the studies on fish oils. Go look at the studies on vitamin C. They're out there.

[C]

Right.

[A]

But there's no incentive. There's no prescription that the doctor can write. It's not even within their purview. Jim, they cannot write you a prescription unless you have a disease. If you have scurvy, they can write you a prescription for vitamin C. Other than that, they can't tell you to go take vitamin C. Yeah, it's crazy. Yeah, really is. So we have to then have these discussions. And this is where I appreciate what Healing Strong has done and what you do. We're getting this message out because we're all our own little scientists. Look what you've learned in coming together. Look what you're doing in supporting Healing Strong. Look at you and I now having this conversation that maybe just one person, if just one person hears this and does something different and changes it and says, you know what? Yeah, okay, I think I can do this. There's others out there. Maybe they sign up, maybe they call you, maybe they call me. It doesn't matter for me anyways, right? That they have the hope and the belief that, guess what, this changes things. It really does. There are plenty of people that both you and I know now who have done differently, both standalone, integrative, and guess what? They're thriving. You're a great example of that. And yeah, God bless you for what you're doing to share that message because that gives people hope. And when you have hope, wow, now I feel empowered to go do something now. You know what? Let me have a conversation with Al, Let me have a conversation with Joe and everybody who let me see what resonates and fits well for me, where I'm at in my life. That's a great positive step in the right direction, regardless of what products you use and when you use the products that are tried and true, as you kind of touched on earlier. How would I know? Go to the ones that have been around. Go to the ones that have the research. Go to the ones that they've done animal work on. Don't get caught up in the Internet. And what's the new fastest? It looks the nicest. No, there's a lot of that in our day and age. Stay away from the fly by nights and look for the stuff that has worked tried and true over at least five years of application.

[C]

Yeah, I noticed on Instagram especially, they keep finding the hidden secret to cure cancer.

[A]

It's amazing when you hear that run, go the other direction. When they say, yeah, I'm sure you see it when you click on it. You start reading an article, it sounds pretty good. And then they go, oh, but you have to sign up here and you got to do this. And then all of a sudden you get thrown into, oh, yeah, pay us a monthly fee and we'll give you the secret to longevity and no disease. And you're like, nah, that. That's baloney, right? That I click. Done. Yep.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Unsubscribe.

[C]

So you enjoy doing this more than engineering, huh?

[A]

I do, because it lets me do it in a different way. I mean, the engineering of the human body is amazing. If you want to go down a rabbit hole, go down mitochondria and metabolism and type that in for anything. Jim. So a good thing that I always recommend now, people to understand and say, whatever your situation is in, go put in mitochondria in your situation. Watch what comes up. Watch all the cool things that you're going to be like, oh, I've heard of that.

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Okay. Now you'll know while this fit together in this, in a simple puzzle, and it'll make making decisions about why you want to get a good night's rest, why you want to drink lots of water, why you want to use this supplement or that supplement, and the common sense that we just have been talking about, it'll bubble to the surface like concrete, right? You keep patting that concrete and all that cream is going to rise on up and it'll harden. It'll be what you need.

[C]

Well, Al, I appreciate the time, and I'm smarter now. In fact, I'm going to go to my neighbor right now and talk about mitochondria.

[A]

What?

[C]

He says he's an engineer. He'll probably love it.

[A]

Well, you never know, right? If you give him the picture and the structure and what mitochondria do, he'll be like, oh, yeah, that's my kind of. That's my kind of animal. And pretty fascinating because. And they really are, you know, I mean, think about the fact that. Let me give you some numbers to kind of put it in perspective. So, again, if the mitochondria are the engines of our cells, the Average cell has 2,000 mitochondria per cell.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Your heart cell has 35 to 5,000 mitochondria per cell. Our neurons, not just one neuron, but our neural pathways that come together with groups of axions and neurons. A hundred thousand to millions of mitochondria in that grouping. Because again, our heart and our nervous system never turns off. It switches states, but it never turns off. So for that nerve cell to send a signal, it has to generate an electrical impulse. Where does it come from? Our mitochondria it has to generate the energy so that it can snap it this way and then snap it back that way and snap it. Now you got 30 trillion human cells in the body on average of 2,000 mitochondria. That's 64 quadrillion mitochondria pumping up and down our bodies that exist just enough. Phenomenal stuff.

[C]

So no wonder I'm tired.

[A]

Yeah, exactly. See what I'm saying now? You know, and no wonder you're tired. And also then no wonder when you do wake up and you're feeling so good, you're like, I'm on fire. What does that mean? That means all switches are go, you're ready to rumble. And that's the difference. Going back to that, what would you say when you were, you're in kindergarten. Okay, yeah. Well, we just took you from kindergarten to, to present day, Jim. And now you, now you kind of understand why. And this is the importance of, you know, the protocols you put together so you can keep that going.

[C]

Wow, I feel like a grown up now.

[A]

I'll send you a certificate of graduation.

[C]

All right. I appreciate it. Well, thank you very much. Like I said, we will post in the show notes your website and especially the one for Healing Strong. So thank you so much for what you do and for the information that you've poured into this little kindergartner.

[A]

Ah, you're more than welcome. It's my pleasure, Jim. Thanks for taking and making the time.

[B]

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