The Muslim Brotherhood Tried to Kill His Family - What Happened Next? with Pastor Martin Sedra

Summary

Podcast Summary: "The Muslim Brotherhood Tried to Kill His Family – What Happened Next?"

Podcast: I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST
Host: Dr. Frank Turek
Guest: Pastor Martin Cedra
Date: May 15, 2026

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Overview

In this candid and provocative episode, Dr. Frank Turek welcomes Pastor Martin Cedra, an Egyptian-born Christian leader now based in Australia. Cedra shares a gripping personal story: his family's miraculous survival after being targeted by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, a harrowing account that sets the stage for a wider critique of Islam—not merely as a faith, but as an expansionist political ideology. The discussion moves from Cedra’s testimony to theology, current cultural battles in the West, and strategies he believes Islam uses to advance in non-Muslim societies. The tone is unapologetically bold, with Cedra issuing a strong warning to America's Christian community and urging listeners not to shy away from hard truths for the sake of comfort or political correctness.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Cedra’s Family Testimony and the Threat from the Muslim Brotherhood

• Christian Minorities in Egypt:
  • Cedra recounts that Egypt was predominantly Christian before the Islamic conquest, but now Christians are a 10% minority.
  • "90% of the country was Christian, and we had zero Muslims...Now Christianity went from 90%...to 10%." (02:08, Martin Cedra)
• Father’s Evangelism and Danger:
  • Cedra’s father, a Christian pastor, openly evangelized Muslims, despite apostasy laws that mandate death for converts and their pastors.
  • The family was repeatedly warned by the Muslim Brotherhood to stop preaching.
• Assassination Attempt:
  • After a Muslim woman converted through his father’s ministry, her husband—a terrorist leader—sought vengeance by planning to kidnap and behead Cedra’s young brothers.
  • Twice, would-be attackers were supernaturally "frozen" and unable to harm the children (03:25).
• Outcome:
  • The terrorist leader, awed by what he perceived as divine intervention, confessed to Cedra’s father and converted to Christianity himself.
• Exile:
  • The family fled Egypt after their address appeared in a hit list, living first in Thailand as refugees, then resettling in Australia to start their ministry anew.

2. Islam as Political Ideology, Not Merely Religion

• Conquest as a Pattern:
  • Cedra argues that Islam is fundamentally about conquest and submission, listing formerly Christian nations overtaken by Islamic forces.
  • "Islam is not a religion. It is a political movement...If the American church does not wake up...you will lose this country." (00:31, Martin Cedra)
• Purpose of the Warning:
  • The American church is admonished to preach Biblical truth without fear—a call to spiritual and cultural vigilance.

3. Violence in Islam vs. Violence in the Bible

• Abrogation in the Quran:
  • Cedra explains "abrogation": Later, more violent Medinan verses in the Quran overrule earlier, peaceful Meccan ones (08:10).
• Comparing Jihad and Old Testament Violence:
  • Cedra contends that violence in the Old Testament was contextually limited (land, time, and purpose) and not about religious expansion, whereas Islamic jihad is global and perpetual—aimed at world domination.
  • Notable Contrast: "Muhammad said, kill the infidel. Jesus said, love your enemies." (11:23, Martin Cedra)

4. Islamic Eschatology and Goals

• The Mahdi and "End Times":
  • Cedra outlines how, in Islamic eschatology, their messiah (the Mahdi) will establish global Islamic rule, during which Jews, Christians, liberals, and atheists will be killed (15:05).
  • "Their end time is not coming until they wage war...and establish Islam." (15:45, Cedra)
• House of War/House of Peace:
  • The world is split into nations at war with Islam (Dar al-Harb) and nations submitted to Islam (Dar al-Salam).

5. Sharia Law: Dangers and Cultural Implications

• Sharia’s Societal Impact:
  • Cedra describes Sharia as destructive, citing examples of harsh punishment and lack of freedoms in Islamic countries.
  • "Sharia law will destroy America. Sharia law is a cancer...It turns into violence, poverty, chaos, tyranny." (17:30, Cedra)
• Hypocrisy Observed:
  • Many Muslims prefer to live in Western, Christian-heritage countries rather than under Sharia law where they originated, yet advocate for Sharia’s implementation in the West.

6. Islam’s Strategies for Growth in the West

Cedra, recounting a Muslim imam’s words, outlines three main strategies:

1. "Jihad of the Womb"
   • Muslims will outnumber others by high birth rates while the West faces population decline due to abortion and fewer families (20:05).
   • "Islam will conquer the west through the womb of the woman." (20:05)
2. Immigration Without Assimilation
   • Large-scale Islamic immigration into Western nations, coupled with refusal to adopt local values.
   • "Immigration without assimilation is an invasion." – Quoted from Charlie Kirk (22:40)
3. Using Western Freedoms Against the West
   • Leveraging tolerance, religious freedom, and political correctness to silence criticism (accusing dissenters of "Islamophobia").
   • "They came up with the word Islamophobia. So now whenever we speak about Islam...they simply call you Islamophobic." (26:35, Cedra)

• The “Hundred Year Plan”:
  • Reference to an alleged Muslim Brotherhood document detailing a century-long strategy to "conquer" North America.

7. Response to "Islamophobia" and Maintaining Freedoms

• Critique of the Term:
  • Both Turek and Cedra argue it is not about race or people, but the imposition of an ideology.
• Protecting Free Societies:
  • Cedra urges Christians to love Muslims but fight against Islamization, defending Christian identity, freedoms, and the next generation (30:27).
  • "If you're scared to be called racist, get over yourself. Put some courage on you. Be strong and courageous." (30:27)

8. Interfaith Alliances and Modern Politics ("Red-Green Alliance")

• LGBTQ and Pro-Islamic Coalitions:
  • Cedra highlights the irony of Western progressive movements (e.g., "Gays for Gaza") aligning with Islamic causes, ignoring the persecution they would face under Islamic rule (38:08).
  • "It's like saying chickens for KFC...you are an idiot." (38:08, Cedra)
• Instrumentalization of Social Movements:
  • Suggests Muslims are tactically aligning with liberal movements to undermine Christianity before turning on their allies.

9. Taqiya ("Sanctified Lying")

• Islamic Doctrine Allowing Deceit:
  • Some Muslims may publicly profess moderate or peaceful views for strategic reasons, a practice allowed and even encouraged in Islamic tradition (43:02).

10. Political Engagement: What Should Christians Do?

• Call to Action:
  • Vote based on faith, not identity politics.
  • Encourage Christian engagement in politics as Biblically justified (45:55).
  • "Get involved in politics. Stop with this lie that Christians don't get involved in politics." (45:55, Cedra)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the nature of Islam:

  • "Islam is not a religion. It is a political movement." (00:31, Cedra)
  • "If you want Jesus, you gotta reject Muhammad." (00:31, Cedra)

• On miraculous protection:

  • "They felt frozen in a van, unable to move...The next day...they felt a supernatural hand, an angel, tie their hands behind their head." (around 03:25, Cedra)
  • "I tried to kill your children, but your God protected them. And your God is the one true God." (05:20, Cedra, relating terrorist leader's words)

• On comparing Christianity and Islam:

  • "Muhammad said, kill the infidel. Jesus said, love your enemies." (11:23, Cedra)
  • "Our God is called the Prince of Peace...It is not the same at all." (12:57, Cedra)

• On woke Christianity and pluralism:

  • "If you're scared to say that, you are a coward. And Jesus says, if you deny me before men, I will deny you before my father." (32:18, Cedra)
  • "We've created this Gay, effeminate Jesus. Jesus was not effeminate. Jesus was not a coward." (33:14, Cedra)

• On hypocrisy in immigration:

  • "You left your Muslim country under Sharia law to move to a Christian country that’s blessed...But they want to bring Sharia law." (18:38, Cedra)

• On "Red-Green Alliance":

  • "Gays say, gays for Gaza...If a gay guy goes to Gaza, you'll be thrown off a building. It's like saying chickens for KFC." (38:08–39:12, Cedra)

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Timestamps for Critical Segments

• [00:31] Cedra’s Opening Statement on Islam as a Political Movement
• [02:08] Family’s Testimony: Evangelism in Egypt and Muslim Brotherhood Threat
• [03:25] Attempted Kidnapping and Miraculous Intervention
• [05:47] Escape and Resurrection of Their Ministry in Australia
• [06:49] Is Islam a Religion of Peace?
• [08:10] Quranic Abrogation and Change from Peaceful to Violent Doctrine
• [11:23] Comparing Biblical Violence and Jihad
• [13:42] Muslim End-Times, Mahdi, and Eschatology
• [17:30] Impact and Details of Sharia Law
• [20:05] Three Strategies for Islamic Conquest in the West
• [26:35] Use of Western Tolerance and the Term "Islamophobia"
• [30:27] What Should Christians Do in Response?
• [33:14] Refuting the “Nice Jesus” Narrative
• [38:08] "Red-Green Alliance" and the Parody of Gays for Gaza
• [43:02] Taqiya and the Strategy of Deceit
• [45:55] Political Engagement – Christians Must Vote Their Faith

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Conclusion

This episode combines a gripping personal story with an urgent cultural and political warning from Pastor Martin Cedra regarding the advance of Islamic ideology. Both Cedra and Turek repeatedly distinguish between loving individual Muslims and resisting what they describe as the political project of Islam. The conversation is unapologetically direct, imploring Christians—particularly in the West—to rediscover conviction, resist timidity, uphold Christian influence in society, and engage meaningfully in the public square to protect freedom and faith for future generations. The episode concludes with Cedra’s challenge to Christians: "Vote your faith. Get involved in politics. Preach Jesus. Stop being a coward or we’re gonna lose this country." (approx. 35:00, 45:55, Cedra)

Transcript

[Frank Turek]

Foreign. Ladies and gentlemen, if you do not want to hear the truth, this particular podcast is not going to be for you. You know, Thomas Soule famously said, when you want to help people, you tell them the truth. When you want to help yourself, you tell them what they want to hear. We are not going to tell you what you want to hear today. We are going to tell you what you need to hear because it is the truth. In fact, my guest is said this

[Martin Cedra]

Islam is not a religion. It is a political movement. Egypt was a Christian country and it was conquered by Islam. Yemen was Christian and Islam conquered it. Morocco was Christian and Islam conquered it. Iraq was Christian and Islam conquered it. For 1400 years, Islam has been conquering countries. And the next big dog on the list is America. If the American church does not wake up, not in fear, but wake up to preach the truth of the Bible, you will lose this country. The devil wants America, but we want want Jesus to reign here. If you want Jesus, you got to reject Muhammad. If you want the Bible, you got to reject the Quran. If you want the ten Commandments, you got to reject Sharia law. If you want churches, you got to reject the mosque. You will either have Jesus or Muhammad, but you can't have both.

[Frank Turek]

Amen. All right, now, who is that wishy washy preacher? It is the great Martin Cedra, ladies and gentlemen. Here he is all the way originally from Egypt, but now he preaches across the world. But he has a church in Australia now and his family was almost murdered by the Muslim Brotherhood. We're going to unpack all that today. Martin, it's great to have you on the show. How are you?

[Martin Cedra]

Oh, I am so good. It is such an honor to be with you. Frank, you are an inspiration to us. You have blessed us, our family, our ministry. Thank you so much for having me.

[Frank Turek]

Well, brother, we met at a couple of TPUSA events and I could tell you are a man who loves to preach the truth and you're fearless about it. You need to be fearless about it because your father was a pastor in Egypt, where you grew up. What happened?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, we grew up in Egypt. You know, Egypt 1400 years ago was a Christian country. Believe it or not, my country, Egypt was 90% Christian and we had zero Muslims in the country. But 1400 years ago, Islam came in our country. They burnt our churches, killed our pastors, raped our women, took our kids. And now Christianity went from 90% of the country to to 10% of the country. And Islam went from being 0% of the country to now being 90% of the country. And my family grew up in Egypt as a Christian minority, that 10% still standing in Egypt. And my dad, when he got saved, he started preaching to the Muslims because he really desired for the Muslims to come to Christ. And thousands of Muslims were coming to Jesus, repenting of their sin, leaving Muhammad, leaving Islam, and under apostasy laws, if you preach to a Muslim and, and they leave Islam, they die. And the pastor that converted them must die. And really the pinnacle of our testimony was the Muslim Brotherhood was warning our family, stop preaching Jesus or we're going to kill you and your whole family. My dad kept on preaching. He was bold and courageous, did not back down. But what happened was my dad was preaching one day in a living room to a bunch of Muslims. And at the end, a Muslim lady heard the gospel and gave her life to Christ. She took over her job, came, came to Jesus Christ. And my dad didn't know that her husband was a leader of a Muslim terrorist group. Her husband was a leader of a Muslim terrorist group. And when he found out that my dad made his wife a Christian, he was furious and wanted to take revenge on my dad. And the way he was going to take revenge, he was going to kidnap my brothers. He was going to behead them, put them in a van, behead them, and then put their body in a bag and send it back to my dad's house to teach my dad a lesson. Don't preach Jesus again. And that's how Muslims do it. They'll kill your family to teach you a lesson, to not preach Jesus. So the Muslim Brotherhood leader, when he found out my dad converted his wife, he came to the bus stop where my brothers go to school with two Muslim men. They came in a van and as they see my brothers, my brothers were five and nine years old, they see my brothers. The Muslim men try to get out of the van to kidnap my brothers and behead them. But they felt frozen in a van, unable to move. My brothers get on the school bus. The school bus leaves and the Muslim men unfreeze again. This time, they don't know what's going on. They didn't understand that this was an angel. It was a supernatural protection from God. So the next day, the Muslim terrorist leader came with two bigger men to kidnap my brothers and behead them at the bus stop to teach my dad a lesson. This time, they come to the bus stop, they're in the van, they see my brothers. But this time, Frank, the Muslim Brotherhood men, they get out of the van and they're standing right behind my brothers 5 and 9. And as they go to kidnap my brothers, to behead them and put them in a bag, the Muslim Brotherhood leaders felt a supernatural hand, an angel. Tie their hands behind their head. Both Muslim men are unable to move. Their hands are behind their head. My brothers get on a school bus. And the school bus leaves. And the Muslim men unfreeze again. Now the Muslim leader knows something is going on. He goes to my dad's house. He knocks on the door. He sits with my dad and he tells him the story of how he tried to kill his children. And the Muslim terrorist leader lands by telling my dad this. He tells my dad, I tried to kill your children, but your God protected them. And your God is the one true God. And that Muslim Brotherhood leader, Frank, becomes a Christian in that living room, gives his life to Christ, and gets baptized. So that's our story. Now we're in Australia preaching Jesus Christ and warning America about the dangers of Islam.

[Frank Turek]

Now that's 2006. This happened, so 20 years ago. You're. You're a very small child at that point.

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah.

[Frank Turek]

What happened to your father? Did he leave Egypt? When did you go to Australia? And what are you doing now?

[Martin Cedra]

So now the pinnacle of our story happened when our address got published and in a Muslim newspaper in 2006, our address got published in Hit List. It's a Muslim newspaper in Egypt where they put addresses of pastors that they want to take out. The moment our address got published, my dad felt the prompting of God that we got to get out of the country. So my dad went to Australia here while he did our paperwork, and we applied as religious refugees. We waited a year to get approved. In the meanwhile, we escaped to Thailand. We lived in Thailand for one year while our paperwork was in the process of getting approved. Then we finally got approved, moved to Australia, and thank the Lord we thought our life was over when we moved to Australia. But little did we know that God was just beginning our story. We thought we were refugees escaping Islam, but now we view our testimony as we are reformers here to fight against Islam. God flipped the story upside down. And now instead of fleeing Islam, we are fighting Islam, traveling across the world, preaching Jesus Christ, warning America against Islam, and. And seeing revival happen across the West.

[Frank Turek]

I can already hear people thinking right now, but Islam is a religion of peace. We've been told it's a religion of peace. It's just a few radicals that do these kind of things. How do you respond?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, Islam masquerades as A religion of peace. I don't blame the Americans. America has never experienced Islam. The only Islam Americans know is the Islam that lives in America. The problem is you need to really encounter true Islam and the only way you encounter it is by going to the Middle East. What I find fascinating, Frank, is the only people that love Islam are the liberals who have never experienced Islam. The only people who want Islam are the white liberals who have never lived in the Middle east, who have never been persecuted under Christianity. But here I am coming from Egypt, escaping Islam. I'm telling America that Islam is not a religion of peace, but a religion of war, death and violence. If Islam is a religion of peace, why are 99% of terrorist organizations under the name of Islam? If Islam is a religion of peace, why every terrorist attack is done by Muslims? And why does Muhammad command Muslims in the Quran to kill the infidel? This is the problem. We can say Islam is a religion of peace as much as we want. History goes against that, the Quran goes against that and the facts go against that statement. Islam is not a religion of peace.

[Frank Turek]

There are a few conflicting verses in the Quran. Talk about abrogation for a minute, Martin, because there is this doctrine of abrogation.

[Martin Cedra]

Yes. So this is the thing. The first 12 years of Muhammad's ministry in Mecca were very peaceful. Muhammad when he started Islam, he didn't have any followers, he didn't have any power. So he preach a nice tolerant message. That's where the Quranic verses and the Quran come that the peaceful, the tolerant. But after 12 years of Muhammad failing in his ministry, he moves from Mecca to Medina and he begins to change his message from tolerance and peace to violence and war. And that's where abrogation comes in. It's that the later verses in the Quran cancel the earlier verses. And that's what you call by the way, the Meccan period of Islam and the Medinan period of Islam. The Meccan period are the peaceful period. The Medina period come later which is the period of war and jihad. And unfortunately Muslims don't believe in the Meccan period anymore. They believe in the Medina period. Let's go to war, let's establish jihad. Muhammad was a warlord and a political leader. Whether they like it or not. He was a failure at the beginning and then he became a political leader.

[Frank Turek]

And since 632when Muhammad died, ladies and gentlemen, there's been a conquest idea in Islam. The idea that Islam of course means submission to take over non Muslim lands and make the Muslim lands. And we're going to talk about that with my guest Martin Cedra and his website, by the way, martinsedra.com S-E-R A we'll put that in the show notes. But what about violence in the Old Testament? I mean, if we're going to say, well, look, where there's violence in the Quran, but there is violence in the Old Testament, what do we say about that? We're going to cover that when we come back. And so much more with my guest Martin Cedra. Again, his website martinsedra.com he's in the US quite a bit. You might see him out there on the road. We'll be back in just a couple of minutes right after the break. I'm Frank Turek. Don't go anywhere, Ladies and gentlemen. You're not feeling well, so you go to the doctor and he runs some tests. He looks at you and he says, I got some news for you. Question. Do you want him to tell you what you want to hear or do you want to tell him what you need to hear? Do you want to hear the truth? I think in that situation you're going to say, doc, give it to me straight. If we're going to fight this thing, I got to know the truth. Well, that's what we're telling you today right here. We all might have friends that we think are great people and they happen to be Muslims and maybe they are great people. The problem is Islam as a movement is really much more than a religion. It's a political movement that for 1400 years has been putting people into submission, taking away freedoms and even doing forced conversions. My guest today, Martin Sedra, saw that personally when he lived in Egypt. Early on in his life, a couple of his brothers were almost murdered because of that. If you're just tuning in, you got to listen to the I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist podcast to hear the first segment. Martin told us that story. But Martin, I got to ask you this because it's going to come up. There's violence in the Old Testament, too. Kill the Canaanites. What do you say? How does that compare with jihad in the Quran?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, it is crazy. When people compare the Bible to the Quran or when they compare our founder, Jesus Christ to Muhammad, we cannot compare them at all. Muhammad said, kill the infidel. Jesus said, love your enemies. Muhammad before he died said, may Allah curse the Jews and the Christian. Jesus before he died said, father, forgive them, for they don't know what they do. Jesus and Muhammad are different people. The Bible and The Quran are extremely different. And Old Testament violence and Jihad are extremely different. Old Testament violence was commanded by God to the Israelites to kill the Canaanites who were killing and butchering babies and sacrificing them to molech. God was not commanding the Israelites to kill people for the sake of not believing in God. This was not trying to spread, you know, Judaism or their religion. This was simply trying to, as you say, Frank very well. This was not a genocide. This was a sinocide. And the difference between Old Testament violence and Jihad is Old Testament violence. God told them you have a limited land to take over. This was the only land that they could take over. In fact, when the Israelites were going through other lands and they could have taken over them, God commanded them to not touch anyone. Why God given them limited land for Jihad? It's not limited land, it is global. Muslims are commanded to take over the whole world. It is not one land that's promised to them. It's every nation. And in Old Testament is not just limited land. It was a limited time. It was a commandment for a limited time for the Israelites in the Old Testament. It was not an eternal commandment for every believer and every Christian to commit. And that's why Christians today are not killing people for their faith. But in Islam, it wasn't a limited commandment where Muhammad says kill the infidel. It was an eternal commandment. Until their Mahdi, until their Messiah returns, Muslims are commanded to kill. So Old Testament violence is not the same as Jihad. We do not kill people now. We do not establish our laws and commandments. We are a peaceful religion. In fact, our God is called the Prince of Peace. It is not the same at all.

[Frank Turek]

You just mentioned the Mahdi. Can you explain that? Martin, what does that mean, the 12th Imam? It's sometimes called the fact that Islam has an eschatology as well. They have an idea of what's going to happen in the end times. Can you kind of give us an overview of that?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah. Muslims end time. Muslims end time. And their messiah or their savior in the end time is our Antichrist. In fact, Muslims believe in Jesus Christ. A lot of people like, oh, Muslims don't believe in Jesus. No. Muslims do believe in a man by the name of Jesus. He's just not the Jesus of the Bible. We believe that Jesus is God. Muslims believe that Jesus is the prophet. We believe that Jesus was crucified. Muslims believe that he wasn't crucified, but Allah rescued him from the cross and someone died that resembled him. And we believe that Jesus was resurrected. But Muslims believe he wasn't resurrected because he never died. And this is where their end time comes in is we believe that Jesus Christ will come back as a second coming, riding as the King of Kings and and Lord of Lords to save us from the enemy and take us as his bride to heaven. Muslims end time in eschatology they believe that Jesus is coming back. But this time Jesus is coming back to break the cross. This is how much Muslims hate the cross. Muhammad hates the cross so much that their eschatology, they say that Jesus will come, carry the cross and break it in front of the Christians to tell the Christians I never ever ever died. And this is why we believe their Jesus or their Mahdi or their Messiah is the Antichrist. Their coming is not the coming that we are waiting for. We are waiting Jesus Christ to come as King of Kings and Lord of Lords, as a slaughtered and resurrected lamb.

[Frank Turek]

What is their Mahdi going to do according to their eschatology in the end times?

[Martin Cedra]

Their Mahdi is going to come and everyone is going to bow. Everyone's going to bow. Everybody's going to become a Muslim, everybody's going to submit. Jews and Christians are going to be killed. Jews and Christians, you're going to be killed. The liberals to be killed, the atheists are going to be killed. The whole world is going to be under Islamic rule and under Allah and under Muhammad. Everybody's going to say Muhammad is the one true prophet, Allah's the one true God and we're all going to die at the end.

[Frank Turek]

Now the Shia in Iran, do they, or I guess we can't say blanket wise, but do some of them believe that if they can create a global conflict they can cause the end times to come in and the Mahdi to come in and a global caliphate then to be re established?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, of course Muslims, Muslims know that the end times will come once they establish a world world brotherhood or Ummah, almost a brotherhood in Islam. They believe they have to take over the whole world. In Christianity we are commanded, go into all the world, preach the gospel, baptize them, make disciples. That's our great commission. Their mission is establish Sharia law across the whole world. And their end time is not coming until they do that. Their end time is not coming until they wage war, until against the infidel they wage war against the West. They kill every Christian nation and they establish Islam. In fact, in Islam, Frank, they have two terms. One is called Dahr al Harb and the other one is called Dahr e salaam, Dahr al harb means house of war and Dahar e salaam means house of peace. And the only way every nation is split into two categories. They either dar al harb, house of war, or Dahr e salam, house of peace. And the only way for a nation to be a house of peace is for them to be submitted under Islam and under Sharia law. So Islam views every single nation as a dahr al harb, house of war until they submit. So until America submits to Islam, it's a house of war. Until Canada, until Europe submits to Islam, it's a house of war. And then their end time will come. And that's why they're so aggressive about taking over the whole world.

[Frank Turek]

About two months ago, I had the great Bill Federer on the program. We talked about the history of Iran and I read a section from one of his newsletters on what Sharia law is. I don't know, it's a two or three minute video. We'll put it in the show notes. But that got more than a million views. Because Americans don't know what Sharia law is. People in the west don't know what Sharia law is. Can you give us an overview of what Sharia law is like? What are people in Iran dealing with on a day to day basis?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah. Sharia law will destroy America. Sharia law is a cancer. Every nation and country that Sharia law touches, it destroys. It turns into violence, poverty, chaos, tyranny. You do not want Sharia law on your nation. And for people that are like, oh, what's wrong with Sharia law? I mean, 70% of Muslim Somalians in America want Sharia law. Under Sharia law, this is Sharia law is kind of their Islamic divine law. Under Sharia law, homosexuals are executed. Under Sharia law, transgenders are thrown off buildings. Under Sharia law, if you're caught drinking or gambling, you'll be whipped. Under Sharia law, a man can have a child bride. Under Sharia law, a man can beat his wife up. Under Sharia law, apostates are killed. And under Sharia law, if you speak about Muhammad, me and Frank right now under Sharia law will be killed for critiquing Muhammad. I don't want Sharia law in this country. I want the Ten Commandments to rule this nation. This is a problem, Frank, that I have with the Muslims is you ask the Muslims in America who want Sharia law, who wants Sharia law? All the Muslims are like, yeah, me, I want Sharia law. Bring Sharia law in America. Then you ask the Muslims, who wants to live in Afghanistan? The Muslims say, not me. Wait. Who wants Sharia law? Me. Me.

[Frank Turek]

Me.

[Martin Cedra]

Well, who wants to live in Iraq? No Muslim wants to live in Iraq. That doesn't make sense. But then you ask the Muslims, who hates Christianity? The Muslims say, me. Who hates America? Me. They shout, death to America. Death to the United States. They burn our flag. But then you ask the Muslims, who wants to live in America? The Muslims say, me. Me. Me. This doesn't make sense. You left your Muslim country under Sharia law to move to a Christian country that's blessed only. They want to bring Sharia law that destroyed your country and into our country that's prosperous and blessed and Christian. And this is the thing. Muslims love the blessing of the God of the Bible, but they don't like the God of the Bible. They like the freedom that America offers and Christianity offers. They just don't like the God that gave us that freedom. And that's what I always tell Muslims. There are 54 Muslim nations around the world. Why do Muslims always migrate to the west and Christian nations? Muslims claim that Sharia law is the best thing for humanity, but they never moved to the Middle east under Sharia law. They always moved to Christian nations. And this is a slap in the face to Muhammad and a slap in the face of Allah. Because of Allah so great. Go live under Sharia law. Go live under his blessing. But they live in a Christian nation because Psalm 33, verse 12, that says, Blessed is a nation whose God is the Lord. And I want to tell every American, Muslims will always move to the. To the west because our country is blessed. We don't want Sharilo here. We want the Ten Commandments, and we want the Bible.

[Frank Turek]

What are the three strategies that Muslims are using to try and take over America?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, Frank, I was listening to a Muslim imam. That Muslim imam lives in Florida, and he said that Islam will conquer the west in three ways. Three strategies. Number one, Islam will conquer the west through the womb of the woman. The womb of the woman. They consider that as a war zone. They call it the jihad of the womb. While we are aborting our babies, while we're killing 1 million babies every single year, while the feminist movement is telling women to not have babies, while we have LGBTQ ideologies saying that men and men can get married and we know that Adam and Steve can't have babies, our population is on a decline. Our procreation is on a decline. We're not having babies. Meanwhile, Muslims are multiplying. Muslim families have four to five babies per family. And a lot of Muslim men have more than one wife. So we, as Christians, we're the largest religion at 2.7 billion Christians. Islam is under US at 1.7 billion. But unfortunately, Christianity is not the fastest growing religion. Islam is the fastest growing religion. And they are growing not by conversion. They're growing by procreation. And it is time for America to stop killing their babies. We have to abolish abortion. We have to fight for the unborn. And it's time to get rid of this feminist Jezebel crap and tell women that babies are not a burden. Babies are a blessing. Babies are a gift from the Lord. And it is time to get rid of homosexual marriage. For people to get married, as Charlie Kirk said, get married and have lots and lots of children. That's war. Number one, they will conquer the west through the womb of the woman. Number two, they will conquer the west through immigration. They are immigrating to the west, as I said before, by millions and millions and millions every single year. They're coming to Australia, America, Canada, and Europe. They are coming here, and we're inviting them in and we're committing suicide. And all the naive liberals are saying, open the borders. Open the borders. Donald Trump is hateful. We shouldn't have borders in America. Even Christians are falling for it, saying, love the foreigner. Yeah, love the foreigner. But heaven has borders around it, so America should have borders around it. Heaven is a country with borders around it, with angels maning the gates day and night. So America should have walls around it with maning day and night. And not only that, heaven has legal paperwork called the Book of Life. So America should have legal paperwork to allow people in that actually assimilate to the country. And this is Islam. They're going to come here and not assimilate. They're going to immigrate here and not assimilate. But biblical immigration is about assimilation. So that's number two. They're going to come here, in here by immigration. They're not going to assimilate. They're going to bring their Sharia law, and then they're going to take over. Number three, they're going to use our freedom against us, and we're going to tolerate them.

[Frank Turek]

And we're going to unpack that third one further right after the break. As our mutual friend Charlie Kirk used to say, immigration without assimilation is an invasion, ladies and gentlemen. Why do you have a lock on your door? Why do you have a password on your bank account because you believe in borders. Borders are necessary. We'll talk more after the break. My guest, Martin Cedra Sedra check out his website back right after the break. Doctor Frank Turek is equipping people to think clearly and defend the Christian faith. But understanding it isn't the same as being able to defend it. The Cross Examine Instructor Academy is a three day immersive training experience taught by Frank Turek. Alongside leading apologists like Greg Koukl, Alisa Childers, Natasha Crane and Allen Parr, you'll learn to present and defend the evidence for Christianity with clarity and even get real feedback. If you choose to present, don't stay on the sidelines. Apply [e-mail]. Ladies and gentlemen, this weekend, the 16th of May, I'll be with my friend Jack Hibbs out at Calvary Chapel, Chino Hills for the Giant Slayers Conference that's going to be at that church Saturday, May 16th. Also coming up in a couple of weeks, I'm going to be at the Colson Center national conference in Knoxville, Tennessee. That is the 29th and 30th of May. We're going to do our final the Bible you never knew series lesson on June 1st here just north of Charlotte, North Carolina. All the details are on our website. That'll also be live stream. That's 7:30pm on June 1 and a lot more is coming up after that. Will be at the last stand conference with my friend Seth Gruber that's out in Denver. That's the 5th and 6th June. And I also want to mention that CIA is again happening this summer, the Cross Examine Instructor Academy. If you really want to learn how to better present the evidence for Christianity and answer the most difficult questions, you need to come to CIA. You need to apply. Go to crossexamine.org, cross examine with a D on the end of it.org click on events. You'll see CIA. There's myself, Greg Kokel, Natasha Crane, Alicia Childers, Alan Parr, Hillary Morgan Ferrer, several others will be your instructors. You'll not only or will not only present to you, you'll present to us and we'll help you refine your presentation skills. There's also a non presenter track. So if you don't want to present but you just want to come for the great interaction and the great instruction, then go to crossexamine.org and click on apply. You can apply for the non presenter track there. All right, let me go back to my guest Martin Cedra. All the way From Sydney, Australia. But Martin and his brother Andrew, who, by the way, they look like they're twins, but they're not. Yeah, they are. They are in the United States a lot. Preaching. How do people keep track of where you are, Martin? Where do you. Where. Where do they go?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, all our social medias, you can look us up. Just write the last name Cedra, Sedra. The whole family comes up. There's four of us. One of us is always in America preaching, so you can catch us there.

[Frank Turek]

And if you think Martin is a powerful speaker, you need to see his wife, Millicent, man. She like. Yeah, she dope slaps people. She's really.

[Martin Cedra]

She is a fireball. She is a fireball. People think I married a 15 year old because she looks a lot younger than me. I tell them I'm not Muslim, man. I wasn't like Muhammad. So she's my age. Don't worry.

[Frank Turek]

All right, let's go back to the three strategies that a imam has admitted they're trying to use to overpower Christianity or overpower the west and put the west under submission. State the first two and then spend more time on the three. Again on the third one.

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, the three ways Islam will conquer the West. Number one, through. Through the war of the womb, through the womb of the woman. And this is. They actually have a teaching. It's called the jihad of the womb. They view the. The womb of the woman as a war zone. The womb of the Middle east versus the west, the womb of the church versus the mosque. And they are outbreeding us. They're having more babies than us. And give it 30 years without evangelism, without converting anybody or preaching. Islam will just outgrow Christianity. Number two, immigration. They are coming in. They never move to Muslim nations. They always move to Christian nations. There's 54 Muslim countries, but they don't want to go there. They come to Christian nations. And number three, by using our freedom and tolerance against us, they come here and say, hey, America, you said freedom of religion, right? Let us do our thing. You said freedom of religion. You can't speak against us. You can't critique us. You can't speak. You said freedom. And all the Americans, we shut up. Why? We're scared to be called Islamophobic. And this is a problem, Frank, is the Muslims looked at the homosexuals in the gay community and they realized that when the gay community created the word homophobic, the church got scared to confront the sinners of homosexuality because they were too scared of being called homophobic. So the gay guys came up with that word, and it worked. The church back down. We stopped preaching that homosexuality, the sin. The Muslims looked at that word and they're like, wow, it worked for the lgbtq. Let's make up a word for us so America can tolerate us and we can just chuck out a word whenever they attack us. So they came up with the word Islamophobia. So now whenever we speak about Islam, anybody questions Islam, anybody says anything, they simply call you Islamophobic. And now what's America doing? We're just shutting up. We're sitting there while they're slitting our throat. We're sitting there while they come in. They invade our country. And this is the thing, Frank, is we think that Islam is just starting to invade our country. No, no, no. Islam has been invading America for a very, very, very long time. The Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, they released a document, and the document was titled A Hundred Year Plan of How Islam Will Conquer North America. And when you read the Hundred Year Plan, you figure out what year we're in. Muslims are not up to year five of conquering America. They're not up to year 10 in their plan or strategy. They're not up to year 20. When you look at this Hundred Year Plan, Muslims are up to year 35 of conquering America. The Americans and American church is 35 years too late to the party. And if we don't wake up now, our country will be Islamized, like my country. Egypt. Egypt, was Christian conquered by Islam? Turkey, was Christian conquered by Islam? Yemen, was Christian conquered by Islam? Morocco, was Christian conquered by Islam. Europe was Christian. John Wesley and all the revivalists. And now is being Islamized. And next is America. And I'm warning America, wake up before it's too late.

[Frank Turek]

By the way, ladies and gentlemen, we've talked about it on this program before, Islamophobia is a bogus term. Islam is not a race. It's an ideology. There are people from every ethnic and racial group in Islam. That's not the issue. We're not against people because they're a certain skin color. We are against a behavior that will take your freedoms away. Not only your freedom of speech, not only your freedom of press assembly, but your freedom of religion. You will not be able to practice the gospel or preach the gospel. If you don't think so, go to some of the countries I've been to. I've been to Iran. There's no First Baptist Church of. Of Tehran. I've been to Saudi Arabia. There's no Calvary Chapel of Mecca. I just got back from Egypt, and my guests grew up in Egypt. It's very difficult to have a church in Egypt. Why? Because politically, they've ruled it out. So what are we supposed to do, Martin? What are we supposed to do? As Christians, how can we say we love Muslims and we do, but still oppose the behavior of putting the nation under submission to Sharia law?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah. I don't want Islam in my country, and I say this with courage and not backing down. I love Muslims, but I hate Islam. I love Muslims, and I want them to come to Christ, but I hate Islam with a passion, and I would devote my life and ministry to fighting it. I want Jesus and not Muhammad. I want the Ten Commandments. I don't want Sharia law. I want churches in every street. I don't want mosques. I want the Ten Commandments, not Sharia law. I want Bibles in my schools, not Qurans. I don't want prayer mats in my schools. I want prayer back in our schools. I don't want my daughter to have to be forced to wear a hijab when Islam takes over. I'm just. I'm about to have a baby boy in a few months, and if I don't fight for America, my baby boy will be persecuted for his faith. This battle of fighting Islam, it is not even about our generation. It is about the next generation. This battle of fighting Islam is not about your generation. Your generation will be fine, but give it 20 years, and if you don't wake up and America gets Islamized, your daughters will be forced to wear hijabs, Your daughters will be raped, your sons will be killed, and your kids will not be free to preach Jesus Christ if we don't fight. If you're scared to be called racist, you're scared to be called Islamophobic. Get over yourself. Get over your pride. Get over your reputation. Put some. Put some courage on you. Be strong and courageous, as God said to Joshua, and go and fight for your nation. Frank, I'm sick of hearing people tell me you're too hateful. You shouldn't talk about other religions like that. We should accept all religions. There's this idea of pluralism, syncretism, universalism. Let's get all the religions in the same bucket. Tucker Carlson, he's angry that Donald Trump, you know, tease Allah. And Donald Trump said, may, you know, peace be to Allah and Allah is the greatest and all that. I'm like, wait a second. We believe in one God. We believe there is one person who sits in a throne I am allowed to mock false prophets. I am allowed to mock false gods. I am allowed to destroy false idols. I am allowed to question other religions. I have freedom to critique any religion I want. And I have freedom to put my God above every other God. And this is the thing, Frank. Is everybody now this new effeminate, gay type of Christianity that wants to say it's okay, all the religions are the same? No, not all religions are the same. Christianity is the only religion that is true. There is only one God. His name is Jesus. Muhammad is a false prophet. And if you're scared to say that, you are a coward. And Jesus says, if you deny me before man, I would deny you before my father. We have to declare Jesus is the one true God and Muhammad is a false prophet.

[Frank Turek]

But Martin, Martin, Jesus was such a nice guy. He accepted and loved everyone. Your response?

[Martin Cedra]

This is the thing, everybody. We've created this gay, effeminate Jesus. Like, Jesus was not effeminate. Jesus was not a coward. Jesus was not gay. Like, if that's the type of word you want to use. Jesus was bold and courageous. Jesus was not just described as a lamb of God. He was a lion of Judah. And we have too many preachers who are so good about being the lamb of God, being gentle and meek. But when was the last time you seen preachers and Christians portray the image of Christ as a lion of Judah? The line of the tribe of Judah was bold and courageous. Jesus, by the way, flipped tables in the temple when they were bringing something in that wasn't biblical. And I'm allowed to get angry. The Bible doesn't say, don't get angry. It says, in your anger, do not sin. In fact, if you don't feel angry that Islam is taking over America, there's something wrong with you. If you don't feel angry that mosques are being built all across Texas, hundreds and hundreds of mosques are being built. If you're not angry that churches are being bought by Muslims, if you're not angry that Christians are turning to Islam, if you're not angry that Muhammad is being declared in Michigan, if you're not angry that the mayor of New York City is a Muslim, if that doesn't make you angry and a righteous indignation does not rise in you, I have to question your salvation. And I have to question if the Holy Spirit is living inside of you. Because the Holy Spirit will not let you sit by while seeing your nation be lost to Islam. But a fire in your bones must rise. As Jeremiah said, God's word is a Fire shut up in my bones. I am weary of holding it in. And every American, you must be weary of holding Christ in and not declaring him him. Preach Jesus, be bold, declare your faith. Stop being a coward or we're gonna lose this country.

[Frank Turek]

Ladies and gentlemen, the entire Bible, from Genesis all the way to maps, the book of Revelation is political to a certain extent. It's, there are false religions out there. Do not follow them. Come back to me. And that is done among the nations. That's done. Obviously among the churches. Paul went out and he talked about false teachers. In fact, almost every book of the New Testament, there may be like second or third John that doesn't mention this, but almost every book of the New Testament talks about false teachers. Every single one, Jesus talks about false teachers. They went after the false teachers. Did the apostles, did Jesus, he's going after the Pharisees, their false teachers. He's going after the people that would not obey him. This idea that Jesus was soft soap and agreed with everyone is exactly 180 degrees. It would be exactly what Satan would want us to think, wouldn't it, Martin?

[Martin Cedra]

Yep. And. And when people tell me you shouldn't mock other religions, you shouldn't mock Muhammad, you shouldn't mock Islam, I'm like, brother, have you read what Elijah did in 1 Kings 17 to the prophets of Baal? What Bible are you reading? Like, some Christians just need to open the Bible and realize what Prophet Elijah did when he told them, is your God in the toilet? Is your God in the toilet? I am gonna mock Muhammad exactly like Elijah mocked the prophets of baal.

[Frank Turek]

We're talking to a very wishy washy guest here. His name is Martin Cedra. S E D R A. You need to check him out. He's normally down under in Australia, but he comes to America quite a bit. Check him out there. And we'll have much more with Martin after the break. You're listening to Otto. I don't have enough faith to be an atheist. With me, Frank Turek back in just a couple. Today. Hopefully, as always, we're telling you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear. We're talking about Islam and how the truth of Islam is the fact it wants to take over the world, not just in a religious sense, but in a political sense. And my guest is Martin Cedra, all the way from down under. Originally from Egypt, his family was almost murdered by the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt in 2006 because they were Christians who were preaching Jesus. And if you're just tuning in on The American Family Radio Network. You didn't hear that story? Go look for the I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist podcast. You can hear this entire broadcast with my guest today, Martin Cedra. You're not going to want to miss the first three segments we've already recorded. We're going to talk in a minute about how to evangelize Muslims because we love Muslims. We want them to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus. But before we get there, Martin, there's this curious thing going on in the culture right now. You seem to have very strange bedfellows. You have the LGBTQ community somehow calling themselves, at least many of them calling themselves gays for Gaza. I mean, if they were to go to Gaza, they'd be thrown off buildings. Why is there this crazy, what sometimes called the Red Green Alliance. How is that even possible?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, the Red Green Alliance. This unholy alliance between the liberals and the Muslims. They both are uniting over the common hate for Jesus Christ. They are both uniting over the common hate for Christianity. Both of them want to remove Christianity from the West. Both of them want to get rid of Jesus as king. Both of them. But I got good news for the Muslims and the liberals. You cannot dethrone Jesus because you did not put him on the throne. And what the liberals need to understand about Jesus Christ, not only does he not lose, but he is the best thing that could happen for you. You see, this is a problem, Frank, is the gays say, gays for Gaza. Gays for Gaza. Transfer. Hamas transfer. Zohra Mamdani. I'm like, brother, do you understand? If a gay guy goes to Gaza, you'll be thrown of a building Under Sharia law, transgenders are thrown of buildings or stoned to death. You are crazy saying gays for Gaza. It's like saying chickens for kfc. Imagine seeing chickens protest and say, kfc, kfc. I'll be like, you are an idiot. And this is the thing. The Muslims are so smart because the Muslims have a lot of enemies. The Muslims have Christians as their enemy, Israel as their enemy, the liberals as their enemy. But the Muslims decided for a smart move, they decided to hold hands with the liberals to get rid of the first enemy and the Christians and the Jews. But once they get rid of the Christians and the Jews, then they're coming for the liberals. And I will sell this to people. The Muslims holy day is Friday. That's when they go to the mosque. The Jews holy day is Saturday. That's when they go to the temple. The Christians holy Day is Sunday. That's when we go to church. And I tell people this. The people of Friday, the Muslims first will kill the people of Saturday, the Jews after they kill the people of Saturday, the Jews next. After Saturday comes the people of Sunday, the Christians. Once they kill the people of Sunday, the Christians next will come the people of Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, which are the liberals, the atheists and the feminists. So liberals need to understand gays for Gaza is the most stupid thing you can ever do. You should be grateful you're in a Christian country that gives you freedom. And we're not going to kill you, we're just going to tell you to repent and turn to Jesus.

[Frank Turek]

There's so much great parody on Babylon Bee right now. I'm looking up. They do something on Islam almost almost every week. Do not fear mass Islamic migration, says Pope behind 40 foot walls of Vatican city fortress. Yeah, ground bait. Here's. Here's one you'll love. Groundbreaking new study finds Islamophobia may be partially caused by Muslims killing people all the time.

[Martin Cedra]

Probably. That's probably why I'm scared.

[Frank Turek]

Muhammad upset as Democrats keep calling Islam a religion of peace.

[Martin Cedra]

That's a good one,

[Frank Turek]

Martin. What? What, what is, what does globalize the Intifada mean?

[Martin Cedra]

Globalize the intifada, Kill everybody. Globalize the Ummah, the Brotherhood. Get rid of every infidel, every non believer. Muslims do not believe in coexisting with anybody. When any American thinks that Islam is here to coexist, you are an idiot. Islam has never coexisted with anybody. For 1400 years, Islam has not coexisted with any tribe, any nation, any people. Muslims, by the way. Muslims claim that they're not the problem. But Muslims have a problem with the Jews. Muslims have a problem with the Christians. Muslims have a problem with Hindus in India and Pakistan. Muslims have a problem with liberals. Muslims have a problem with every group. But for some reason they're not the problem. Guess who's the problem? The Jews are the problem. Israel's the problem. Muslims love blaming the Jews, by the way, because they love blaming it because the Free Palestine movement was the Trojan horse of how Islam entered America. The free, Free Palestine movement was a genius movement from the Muslim Brotherhood to get Americans to sympathize with the Muslims and shift their focus from the enemy being Muslims to being the Jews. They tricked Americans and now Americans don't think that jihadis are the problem. Now the Jews are the problem. They don't think that Islam is a problem. They think that Israel is a problem. Somehow less than 1% of the world population, the Jews are more of a threat than Muslims being 25% of the world population. Somehow the Jewish people with one state under them is more dangerous than Muslims who have 54 states under them. And this is the thing, is the free Palestine movement allowed Muslims to enter into America. Now Muslims are sleeping in bed with the Americans, and soon they will slit your throat.

[Frank Turek]

Outside of that, immigration's great, ladies and gentlemen. Unchecked immigration.

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, sorry.

[Frank Turek]

This is just true, ladies and gentlemen. You might not like it. It's just true. Again, doesn't mean every Muslim believes this, but it does show that once. I mean, history shows, once Muslims get a majority in terms of the populace, Sharia law is typically put into place, correct?

[Martin Cedra]

Yeah, 100%. And every American needs to know the teaching of taqiyah in Islam. Some Muslims are very peaceful because they don't understand the Quran, but some Muslims are very peaceful because they are lying. Muhammad teaches in the Quran this teaching called taqiyah. Taqiyah is a teaching in Islam where you're allowed to lie for the sake of spreading Islam. You're allowed to lie. If you feel like the mission of Islam or your life will be in danger, you're allowed to lie. You're allowed to look at American and tell them, nah, man, I don't believe in sharia law. Nah, man, I don't want to. I don't want to establish sharia law. Nah, man, I want to kill the infidel. You're allowed to lie. And in fact, that's what Muhammad did. Muhammad in the Quran said that war is deceit. Muhammad teaches that. In fact, zorahdani, I think he was practicing taqiyah when he said, I love the Jews, the Christians, and the trans. I think he's either not a Muslim or he's practicing taqiyah. Taqiyah has been practiced for the last 1400 years by Muslims. In the 1400s, half a million Muslims in Spain converted to Christianity as a lie. They claimed to be Christian, they converted to Christianity, they got baptized, they took communion only to lie to the Christians to accept them into their churches. Later on to want to turn against them, that happened in history. You just need to study history to realize that Islam lies in the process to take over your country. Once they get in, once they get into political power, they flip. When they don't have political power, they act peaceful and tolerant. Once again, political power. Watch how the game changes.

[Frank Turek]

All right, we're going to have to extend this program into the next podcast where we'll talk about how to evangelize Muslims and we're also going to talk about the Hamas Israel situation a little bit more. But I want to ask you this, Martin, because when you. You're very forceful in what you say, rightfully so, because it is a problem. And again, this has only been verified for 1400 years, ladies and gentlemen. This has been going on since Muhammad and you know, he died in 632. By 638, they had taken over the Holy Land. By 732, exactly 100 years after Muhammad died, they were repelled by Charles Martel in France. They'd gone all the way across Northern Africa, across the Straits of Gibraltar, into Spain and into France. If Charles Martel had not repelled the Muslims, we'd probably all be speaking Arabic today. But the conquest continues today. Ladies and gentlemen, the question is, as Americans, as Australians, as Europeans, who still have the freedom to vote and still have the freedom to make political changes. We know we have to change the human heart. We know that's what Jesus can do. And evangelism is so important. But we'll have to spend more time in the next program to discuss that. But from a political perspective, what should Christians and all people who are concerned about freedoms be doing right now? Martin, in order to ensure that we maintain those freedoms and don't allow Sharia law to take over free countries, Christians

[Martin Cedra]

must go out and vote their faith. Every Christian, go out. Your freedom was given to you, so use it. I am fascinated by the amount of Christians I meet in America who told me, I just didn't vote this time. I just didn't like anybody, so I didn't vote. What do you mean you didn't vote? You have freedom, but from God and the government allows you to vote. You live in a democracy. Go out and vote. And I will tell Americans, don't vote your skin color, vote your faith. I don't care if they're black, white, Asian, Arabic, I don't give a crap what color skin color they are. If they don't have policies that align with the word of God, you cannot vote for them. If you voted for Kamala Harris because she is apparently a black woman, you. That is what you call ethnic idolatry. You worship your skin color above your God, above your faith, above the scripture. Don't vote your skin color, don't vote your gender, don't vote your personality, vote your faith. What is the candidate that best aligns with the policies of the Scripture? Vote for them. Let's get Christians Back in politics. Get involved in politics. Stop with this lie that Christians don't get involved in politics. As Frank said, the whole Bible, from Genesis to Revelation, the whole background and the scene of the Bible is political. Elijah spoke to King Ahab. John the Baptist spoke to Herod. Jesus spoke to politicians. Every preacher and prophet in the Bible spoke to kings and politicians. In fact, Paul said I must go to Rome. Paul knew that the most influential place was Rome. And if he impacted the politics of Rome, the whole world will be impacted. And I want to tell you, coming from Australia, America is a Big Brother. Whatever happens in American politics impacts Canada, Europe and Australia. Please, America though your faith so we don't lose the whole West.

[Frank Turek]

Well said. That's Martin Cedra, ladies and gentlemen. You need to check him out and we're going to have him on the next podcast, the Midweek podcast. If you are listening to this on the American Family Radio Network or the other stations we're on around the country, you will not hear it on the American Family Radio Network. You're going to have to find the I Don't have Enough Faith to be an Atheist podcast. So we'll have Martin Odd. It'll be coming out on Tuesday. Coming up here after this weekend, you will hear him on the next I Don't have Enough Faith to be an Atheist podcast. We'll talk about how to evangelize Muslims do's and don'ts. We'll talk about the Israel Hamas situation. What does God say about Israel? What does the Hamas charter say? Are you informed? If you don't know what the Hamas charter says? We're going to cover all that in the next podcast with my guest, Martin Cedra. Martin, great having you on. Thanks for doing this.

[Martin Cedra]

Thank you. Such an honor to be with you.

[Frank Turek]

Thank you again. The great Martin Saidra, ladies and gentlemen. He's a little wishy washy, but we'll have him on again. Martin Cedra, S-E-R A dot com. You'll see a wealth of information up there. You'll see where he is. He comes to America quite a bit so you might be able to catch him live. And you'll also see all his resources on his website. So check him out there. Ladies and gentlemen, it's been great being with you. Don't forget about CIA this summer coming up, go to the Cross Examined website. Cross Examine. Click on events. You'll see CIA apply. Hope to see you this summer. God bless. Dr. Frank Turek is equipping people to think clearly about faith, truth and today's toughest cultural issues. This is just the starting point. If you're ready to go deeper, explore Cross Examined online courses@cross examined.org.