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What the Mainstream Media Doesn't Tell You About Immigration Law with Megyn Kelly
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Ladies and gentlemen, leftists are now interrupting worship services in Minnesota. What does the law say about this? I mean, do you have a right to interrupt a worship service in the name of free speech? Someone by the name of Don Lemon, you may have heard of him, suggested that as he was in a worship service interrupting it. Also, Don said that Jesus should would love these protesters. But does love mean you have to approve of everything? Does it mean you have to approve of disruption, disrupting a Christian worship service? And right now, there's a conflict between President Trump and Governor Waltz. According to the Constitution. Who is correct here? Do the feds have jurisdiction over immigration, or does the state have immigration or have jurisdiction over immigration? And why does I seem to only have problems in blue states and not red states? Are the local authorities not doing something in blue states that they ought to be doing? We're gonna talk about all this with someone who I think is one of the greatest legal minds right now out there discussing this. And she's been on Fox News. She had a Fox show for many years. Now she has the Megyn Kelly Show. And here she is, ladies and gentlemen, the great Megyn Kelly. Okay, she brought her own crowd. We'll shut them up. The great Megyn Kelly, all the way from a bunker somewhere in Connecticut. Megan, it's wonderful having you on the program. How are you?
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I'm so good. Great to see your beautiful face, Frank.
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Well, I could say the same about you. And we just became acquainted. I mean, I've known you for many years through the media, obviously, but we just came acquainted after Charlie's tragic death. And you invited me to your tour to speak briefly before you and Erica had a great sit down. I just want to thank you for that. And I want to thank you for. For being so clear on so many of these legal issues that tie Christians and even non Christians up in knots. People don't know that you were an attorney for 10 years. You went to law school. Before we get into all this stuff, I know most people know about you, but they probably don't know your history. So kind of give us how did you get to where you are? How did you go from law school to the fact that you were in primetime on Fox for many years, you went to NBC. Now you have the Megyn Kelly show on XM and on YouTube and all this. How did all this happen?
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Well, yes, I didn't come from, you know, a family with any connections or much money. My dad was a college professor at SUNY Albany. My mom was a nurse at the Albany Veterans Hospital. And I decided to become a lawyer. I went to college, you know, thinking I might do communications and journalism. But I didn't get into the comm school at Syracuse where I went. I got into the political science school. And next thing I knew, I thought, oh, maybe I'll become a lawyer. That seems like something people would respect. So sweet and naive. And so I did go to law school. Went to Albany Law School, where I was from, lived with my mom, and then I practiced law for 10 years, mostly with a firm called Jones Day, which is basically white shoe litigation for big corporate interests. And I loved it. I tried a bunch of cases and I had appellate arguments across the country. And I absolutely loved being on my feet and making an argument. And then, like most lawyers, I got burnt out. Shortly before it was time to decide whether I would accept the partnership they had made clear they were gonna offer me. And I just decided, looking around the firm, everybody who was there long term had three ex wives and three home mortgages to pay, and kids in private school, and they had to stay and I didn't. So when thinking about what else I could do. Journalism was a natural avenue. Since I had originally thought that's what I wanted to be anyway. In fact, my high school aptitude test in 10th grade said, you should be a political journalist. Which is just so funny. Cause that's really kind of exactly what I wound up being. And not having any connections in media either. I got a little lucky in that. My guitar class in Chicago, where I was practicing law at the time, had a woman in it who worked for the NBC O&O, the affiliate in Chicago. And while there was zero chance that the number three market was gonna hire me, my friend could help me understand how to break into the business as what at the time I thought was an old lady. I mean, I was 32 at that time, Frank. And I was like, I'm over the hill. You can't break into journalism at age 32. Wrong, wrong, wrong. So she helped me understand. You just need a resume tape. We made that resume tape with the help of a guy, a cameraman at her radio station or her television station. And then it was just up to me to cold call a bunch of news directors. Until that poor SAP Bill Lord down at the ABC affiliate in Washington, D.C. where I had moved from Chicago in the interim, did hire me one day a week to do legal commentary and straight news reporting. My very first hit was on a hurricane that had hit the region. I was outside in the rain, and the cleanups and all that thinking, where's my judge? Where's my jury? What's happened to me? But then I was off to the races, and within a year, I was hired by Fox.
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A
So that was in D.C. you had your first gig.
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Yeah, in 2003.
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Now, you told me when we were in Phoenix together that you met your husband, Doug. Well, he actually met you. He saw you, I guess, in a billboard on the back of a bus seat or something, or a placard. Like, what was it?
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He saw me delivering a report on Duke lacrosse. And he went to Duke on the back of an airplane seat.
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Oh, back of an airplane seat. Okay.
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And then I was. At the time, I was not, you know, I mean, I was on Fox News, but I was a babe on Fox News, like my second year in, I think. And I was reporting on that fake rape case that that woman, Crystal Mangum, brought against the three Duke lacrosse players. And there were really only two reporters on TV at the time who had gotten that story right. And it was Dan Abrams, who at that time was on, I think, Court TV and yours truly, because we both went into it with an open mind, which was all that was required to get that story right. So Doug, having been to Duke, had his suspicions about whether this could possibly have happened. And he became a fan of my coverage and then became a fan of the reporter. And a woman who did PR work for him and his firm, of which he was CEO, shot me an email saying, I don't know what your situation is, but I know this great guy, and if you're interested, shoot me a note.
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A
And that was what year?
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Well, so that was 2006, but I was getting out of my first marriage at the time. So I moved out of my home with my first husband, with whom I'm still friendly. Thankfully, we ended it amicably in January of 2006. And I met Doug. That note came around, I don't know, sometime early 2006. And I was not ready at all. The marriage had effectively been over for a while, but I didn't actually move out until early 2006. And I just wasn't sure I was ready to date. And my finger hovered over the delete button. Frank. I almost deleted Doug from my life, my future children from my life, just. Cause I was also like, who's this person? Yeah, I don't know who this PR person is. Like, whatever. And then it was the spring, it was May or June, and I was cleaning out the saved email box and I saw that one. And I was in a Better headspace. And my ex husband was dating around a lot of women. I was like, you know what? I should get back on that horse. And so I shot her a note saying, send me a picture.
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You never know.
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And Doug is very cute. So the picture worked. And then the next thing I knew, he contacted me directly and he took me out on a date in July, and we were married within a year and a half.
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Now he's an author and he's got a new book. Just tell our audience about his relatively new book. He's got several books, but there's a new book, an historical book, actually a very interesting concept that he's dealing with.
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So he. About a year and a half ago, or maybe it's two years now, he came out with the Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel, which is a great book. It was a times bestseller for a long time and did very, very well. And now he's on part two of what's a trilogy. So the second book is not about Rudolph Diesel, but it's about Emmanuel Nobel. The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel is the name of the book. And it's available for pre sales now. It hits in May. But get yours now truly, because the Diesel sold out and people got behind on the Amazon. Because I think that booksellers always underestimate, like, I don't know, people who have, I don't know, maybe it's a more conservative audience. Cause he's marketing to my audience and others. They always underestimate and they always sell out. Anyway, it's about this guy, Emmanuel Nobel, who is not Alfred Nobel as the guy behind the Nobel Prizes. Emmanuel is Alfred's nephew, but he's the guy who built the enormous gas station that is the Russian oil business.
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Oh, really?
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And he did it all. And yet, at the time he was coming up, there was another man coming up in Russia named Joseph Stalin. And the two would clash in an epic way. Ultimately, that would change the course of history. And this is what this book is about. It's nonfiction, but it's told through almost like a narrative way. You almost feel like you're reading fiction, but you're not.
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Yeah, pick it up. Douglas Brunt, that's Megan's husband. And those are excellent books. He's an excellent writer. And we're gonna get back to Megan and talk about all this immigration stuff and the law and all that right after the book break. But I just wanted you guys to know about Megan if you didn't know her history. She's got some great kids, by the way. Met them there in Phoenix. Anyway, we're going to have a lot more in just a minute. You're talking to or you're listening to Frank Turek on I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist back right after this. Welcome back to I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist with me, Frank Turek on the American Family Radio Network and other stations around the country. My guest today, the great Megyn Kelly. And we're going to be talking about immigration, the law, the conflict between the feds and the state ice, all that kind of stuff because we need to know what the law really means. As Christians, we're supposed to follow the law. And I think a lot of people are confused as to what's going on. So, Megan, let me start at the top here. The leftists are now interrupting worship services and you did a whole show on this a few days ago. We're going to put a link to the program in the show Notes where you held nothing back as to what's going on here with regard to Don Lemon and others who are interrupting worship services in Minnesota. Let's just talk about the law side of this. What does the law say? Because on one hand, the First Amendment of the United States Constitution says you have the freedom of speech, but you also have the freedom of worship, the freedom of religion. And no one shall make any law respecting the establishment of religion nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof. So how do these two aspects of the First Amendment come together? Do you have a right to protest a worship service?
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Not inside the worship service. No, you don't. And whenever these values that we have constitutionally or by statute exist, it's up to lawmakers, not judges, but lawmakers, to establish a hierarchy. Like, okay, yes, you do have a right to be a journalist and to cover events. And you have a right to protest under the First Amendment and to peacefully assemble, but you also have a right to worship as you see fit. So when they collide, what's the hierarchy of rights? And the Congress has spoken to this particular issue under Bill Clinton, they passed the so called FACE act, which says it was originally just about abortion clinics trying to keep right to lifers away from the egress and ingress of abortion seekers at these clinics. But in order to get it passed, he had to throw the right a bone. And they said, well, that we want protection for religious services and to make it sure, make it very clear that no one can interfere with one's right to worship as he or she sees fit. And so that law was passed in the 1990s, and it's been on the books ever since. And it's been used not that often, but, you know, almost always against the abortion clinic protesters. But it is completely fair game for those who disrupt a religious service. And it is said your right to protest is basically below somebody's right to have a peaceful experience when they go to worship. And no matter what the forum in which they're doing it could be Christian, could be Muslim, could be a Jewish person, what have you. And so the law is really clear that you cannot, it's called the Face act by force, threats or physical obstruction, threaten or cause fear amongst a congregation that's in the course of worship. And there's just really no question that this happened in Minneapolis last Sunday. It's absolutely crystal clear for the ringleader who just got arrested today, and virtually everybody who was with her, Don Lemon, is in a slightly different category, requires his own analysis, given that he's asserting he was there as a journalist, which we can talk about. But there is zero question in my mind that everyone who went in with this woman, Nakima, and interrupted the service ought to be arrested. Each one of them committed a federal crime. And it was not only under the Face act, but there's another act called the Klan act, the Ku Klux Klan act, which says you're guilty if you have an interference with somebody else's civil right. And there is a civil right to worship that you could potentially go to jail for 10 years for violating that one. Face act violations, first time or misdemeanors. And you can elevate it, but it takes a lot to elevate it to a felony. But the other, the Klan act, that's a felony, first time out, with potential 10 year prison sentence. So that's really not one you want to be charged under. And most of these people are looking at potential Klan act charges, too. So this is extremely serious, what they've done.
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Ladies and gentlemen, I got to interrupt this for just a comment here. And that is one of the walks that Charlie and I went on this summer. We used to go on these walks at night, and we'd talk about just about every issue under the sun, anything he wanted to talk about. And I remember him saying, frank, I gotta get to bed early tonight, because tomorrow I'm gonna be on Megan's show. And I said to him, charlie, if there's one person I would not want to debate on a legal issue, it would be Megyn Kelly. And he said, totally. And ladies and gentlemen, you just saw Why? I mean, you just broke that down so well. And that's why. One of the reasons I love you, Megan, is because you. You're so clear on these issues. You can break this stuff down to. For the general public, because, you know, in the general public, we don't even understand the difference between state law and federal law and who has jurisdiction over what. So on this issue right here, were those people somehow arrested and are going to be charged under federal law? Are they arrested by state police? Are they arrested by the FBI? How does this all work?
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Well, they should. I mean, they could potentially be charged by state. Under state law because they 100% committed trespass. That's right there. A church is a private property, and you have an invitation to show up at the church to worship, but you don't have an invitation to show up there and, you know, juggle or do a lemonade stand in the middle of the pews. And you certainly don't have an invitation to show up and protest. So they trespassed right from the moment they crossed over, and they certainly trespassed after the minister said, get out. I mean, like, crystal clear. But they will never be charged under state law because of the politicians who run Minneapolis, St. Paul and Minnesota. However, you know, we're all subject to two sets of laws. The state laws that control us, and also the federal laws that control us. And under our supremacy clause, the supremacy clause says the federal law reigns supreme. If there is a conflict now here, there's not really a conflict, but the point is simply that the feds have jurisdiction over you for certain crimes, too. And those two statutes that we kicked it off with are federal statutes that you can be charged under. And that's why Pam Bondi is involved. She's the ultimate law enforcement officer at the federal level, and she is directing. She's actually. In order for the feds to arrest you, they have to go into a court with a criminal complaint and get a warrant signed by a judge. So she's clearly done that. It's also, by the way, why people were being unfair to her when on Tuesday after MLK Day, they were like, where? Where's our arrests? You know, it's like, okay, it happened on a Sunday. Yesterday the courts were closed. Now it's Tuesday. Give them a couple days to get their T's, their T's crossed and their I's dotted, which they did. And the arrest is starting today, Thursday, which is actually very good for the feds. That's pretty, pretty speedy. And now these people will be Tried in federal court.
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So who arrested them? Who arrested this lady? You just gave me her name. We're recording this on Thursday morning, ladies and gentlemen. Who is the ringleader? I think you have her name there. And you're gonna cover this on your show today. And we'll put that show where Megan will go into more depth in the show notes as well. Go ahead, Megan.
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Well, it would normally be federal marshals, but Attorney General Pam Bondi says at my direction, FBI agents executed the arrest, which is fine too. And the woman they arrested is this Nekima Levy Armstrong, who she writes allegedly played a key role in organizing the coordinated attack on the church in St. Paul. Now that's being nice. She's understating it, as she should as the Attorney General. Always promise less, deliver more. It's much better to understate everybody's role and then prove more in court. But we have multiple reports that this woman was the ringleader of the whole thing and that she's a Blmer. She's this main BLM activist. And it's no accident that she and the others, when they stood in the middle of those pews, had the hands up, don't shoot chant going, which is a lie and has been proven untrue for many years. After Ferguson, Missouri, just so your audience knows this, quickly, in 2015, this guy named Michael Brown was shot by an officer in Ferguson, Missouri. And there was a lie put out by his friend that he had his hands up at the time and was saying, don't shoot, and that this white cop shot him dead anyway. Lies, lies, lies. Michael Brown had assaulted the officer, sucker punched him when he was sitting in the police car. I think he broke a bone in the guy's orbital socket. The cops and then charged at him a second time. And that is when the cop opened fire. And how do we know about the second charge? Thanks to five, count them, five black witnesses who saw it happen and spoke to Eric Holder, slash Barack Obama's DOJ and told them that Jonathan Capehart, who is a very far left radical journalist, actually wrote an apology piece in the New York Times or the Washington Post. I always confuse the two, saying, I'm sorry, I participated in the lie that was hands up, don't shoot. It wasn't true. But here you have Nakima standing in the middle of city's church, hands up, don't shoot, as a wave indicting law indictment yet again falsely. And I'll tell you why that's gonna come back to haunt her and the others, because you need to cause fear or intimidation in order for this face act to apply. And let me tell you, there's virtually nobody under a certain age that understands what hands up, don't shoot is a reference to. Certainly not the crying children who were in those pews. What they know is that at Ascension school and church, a bunch of children were shot in late August. And when they hear hands up and the word shoot over and over or even don't shoot, they would accurately perceive that they could potentially be under threat. And this is all going to come back to haunt Nakima, Don Lemon and all the others.
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Wow. Yeah. Ladies and gentlemen, people forget that it was the Obama DOJ that finally admitted all that stuff in Ferguson, Missouri was a lie.
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That and it was. It was the birth of the BLM movement, Frank. So it was just such a pernicious lie. The whole thing is based on a lie. Oh, and by the way, if my memory's not wrong, it was Nikima. It was definitely one of these Blmers who was at the church. But I think it was Nikima, the ringleader who gave a shout out to Patrisse Cullors of BLM infamy. She's had a lot of accusations against her for allegedly nefarious dealings with the BLM funds. Gave her a shout out for also participating in this whole thing and helping organize it. So, like that. It's the same crew.
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Amazing. And who is it, Churchill, who said a lie gets all the way around the world before the truth has a chance to put its pants on? And all of this happens, by the way, ladies and gentlemen, when you have government officials like Tim Waltz and Fry. I can't remember the guy's first name. The mayor up there, Jacob. Jacob Fry. They start pouring gasoline on a lie and they're creating riots rather than trying to quell them.
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I mean, it's so cynical because they are doing it so clearly to distract from the massive fraud scandal that happened on their watch. You know, this is manna from heaven as far as they are concerned, because they can completely act as like these woke warriors who are standing up for brown people, which is how they're spinning the ice arrests. It's all about color. As opposed to we facilitated fraud because we were too chicken. You know what? To call out the brown people for committing a massive theft against the people of Minnesota.
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Oh, that would be racism. We can't do that. Megan just goes to show you how critical theory prevents blind justice. It prevents, absolutely. Because we can't even look into this stuff because if we look into this stuff. We're going to be accused of being racist. Who was it, was it Nick Shirley that uncovered that? That.
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Well, it wasn't Nick Shirley. So Nick Shirley, of course, was instrumental in getting the entire nation to pay attention to this problem. But people had been indicted even prior to that. And Minnesota officials have said they were too scared to bring more cases back because of racism.
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Wow. A lot more with the great Megyn Kelly. Ladies and gentlemen, you're listening to I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. With me, Frank Turek on the American Family Radio Network and other stations around the country, we're going to get into a lot more of this. The conflict between the feds and the state. What does the law say? What does the Constitution say? What does the Bible say? We'll get into it with the great Megyn Kelly. Don't go anywhere. Back right after the break.
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Ladies and gentlemen, want to mention the college tour begins February 10th. We've got about 15 colleges we're going to. It's the Charlie Effect. We're doubling the number of colleges we're going to with I don't have enough faith in to be an atheist. We're calling it the Prove Me Wrong tour. What are we calling this tour? I can't remember. It's Prove Me Wrong or whatever it's called. We'll put it in the show notes. Anyway, we're starting at elon University on the 10th of February. On the 11th, we're at NC State on the 12th, we're at the University of Northern Florida down in Jacksonville. And then we got a bunch more. We got a bunch in Michigan coming up and it'll all be on our website. And all of those events are free. And thank you for the donors stepping up because now our security costs post Charlie have tripled the cost of these events to $15,000. Every time we go to a college event, it costs us 15 grand to do it. Not just for my safety, but for the Safety of the audiences. So thank you so much. Let me go back to my friend, the great Megan Kelly. Megan, we're talking about what's going on with regard to immigration and the conflict it appears to be between the feds and the state. Let me ask you this. Why is it that in red states, ICE doesn't have any problem getting illegal immigrants who basically have committed crimes? They have no problem going in, getting them from the jails, deporting these people? Why do they have a problem in blue states?
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It's because of the sanctuary cities and sanctuary states out there, like Minnesota and Minneapolis.
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Like, what do they do?
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Like both of these. So Minnesota isn't officially a sanctuary state, but it is. They haven't declared it, in other words, but they're behaving as one. And Minneapolis is a sanctuary city, which means they've actively declared that they will not cooperate with ice. So if they. Let's say somebody gets pulled over for speeding in Minneapolis and they check his license and they check his papers and like they would do to any of us, they maybe could sound like, check your papers like it's Nazis. They wanna see your license. And they figure out this guy is an illegal, that he actually doesn't have a citizenship. Now, in a red state, they would call immigration and they would say, we nabbed him for speeding, but you're gonna wanna deport him because it's clear he doesn't have his papers in order. In the sanctuary cities, they will not do that. And even in the sanctuary cities, if they can see that there's an ICE detainer on the guy, where the ICE has said, this guy, we want him, he's committed multiple crimes and we want him, and he's been deported and we just need to get him out of here. They will not call ice. They will not do it. They're so worried. I mean, in their defense, they'd say, it's not that we're dying to keep these criminals in our city, but we don't want the Brown community to be worried about cooperating with law enforcement, such that if they have interactions with us, we're gonna call ICE and tell them that they're here. That's their justification for it. But as a result of all this, ICE has to go. When it's under Tom Homan and Kristi Noem and President Trump and actually serious about deporting the 10 to 15 million who came under Joe Biden, ICE has to go into the cities and do the digging itself. It has to figure out where these people are and while their detractors will say, why wouldn't you just start with the people who have actually committed additional crimes? That is what they're doing. That is, they've been very clear their goals are to arrest, quote, the worst first, which means you're not just here illegally, but you've committed another crime. And nine times outta 10, it's a violent one. And most of those, by the way, especially in Minneapolis with ice, are sexual predation crimes. And most of those are on children. That's ice's specialty, is helping get rid of child predators. That's something that they know a lot about, especially when it comes to illegals. So what we have, in essence is now a whole group of people protesting ICE doing this. And the net result of it is they're protecting child predators, right, Quote, unquote, to stay in their community and molest more children. And you have ICE that can't get them at the jails because of the sanctuary city policies now having to go into the community, into the Home Depots, into certain neighborhoods, and yes, knock on certain people's doors. If they have reason to believe this is where the illegals live and have face to face confrontations that these people don't like, well, take it up with your local lawmakers who are causing that in the first place.
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So, Megan, why are these, are these local authorities, are they actually releasing people from prison who ICE has a warrant out for? So ICE cannot get them?
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Yes, they would not recognize the federal warrant on them that they refuse. It's so important to them that they did not cooperate on immigration enforcement, that they would not call ICE if that, if a person had that. And that's also. Yeah, go ahead.
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Are they literally letting people out of jail so ICE can't, can't get them in their jails?
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Yes. The answer to that is yes, policy.
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This is unbelievable when you think about it, that these people would rather protect criminals than children, than innocent people, city after city.
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And that's why it's so maddening to see them out on the streets, these protesters cloaking themselves in this veil of altruism and caring about children like the poor black and brown children who are now under threat by ice. It's like, no. ICE cares about all children, black and brown and yellow and white, and keeping them out of the hands of child predators. If you were to look at the list of those who have been arrested in Minneapolis so far by ice, for some reason, if you're from Laos, you have a high chance of winding up in Minneapolis. And apparently a High chance of molesting children because they arrested so many illegals from Laos who have committed sex crimes on children. And I mean, I'm not gonna list them, but just the absolute worst things you can do to a child. And so that's who ICE is nabbing. And that's why they're so determined. And there was a video that just hit this week of one of the ICE officers because they get frustrated too sometimes, saying to people who are honking the horn to let whoever was in the house know that the ICE was coming, saying, we're trying to arrest a child sex predator. Do you understand? Like, why are you giving this guy the heads up so he can run the whistles? Trying to let these people who are going to rape kids know so they can get a head start on the escape, it's utter madness. But you know, let's face it, Frank, the women in particular, some men, but it's 90% women who are out there who have been pulled to this so called occupation are mad as well. They have a touch of insanity. And you can see that in their multiple videos all over the Internet. There's narcissism, there's deep unhappiness. There's obviously no romantic partner in the lives of these women. They can't stand men, nine out of 10 of them, because they talk about it openly. Their hatred for men, which gets extrapolated out onto the ICE agents, and they have no meaning in their lives. This is the ultimate end result of Wokeism, where they removed God from the public square, they removed God from their lives, and now they have a godless, faithless existence, which I do think gets exploited by demonic forces. You know, there's. In that void we could just have the worship of self, of navel gazing, of skin color, of the so called transgender craze. But I think that this, we're one step beyond that now to where there's like an actual demonic force that we can see. I feel it so acutely since Charlie died. Pervasive, pervasive in pockets of the United States. And the help that these people need, there's so much we have to do to help them. I'm talking about the protesters because as much as I mock them, I have some empathy for them because they're sick.
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Well said. In fact, this was going on before Charlie, obviously, but it seems to have been amped up. In fact, right before Charlie, they had that shooting at the Minnesota Annunciation School, you remember the Catholic school that was shot up by that young, disturbed trans person. And it had all the markings of spiritual warfare on it, Megan. Because he wanted to kill Christians, he wanted to kill children. On his bullets he had. Or on his gun, he had something about Israel he wanted to attack. Oh, and when he was doing shooting practice, he had an image of the crucified Christ as the target when he went to shoot.
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Yep.
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I mean, he's attacking the Lord, he's attacking the land, and he's attacking the lineage of the Lord by attacking Christians. And the media covered this. And my friend Josh Howerton, a pastor down in Dallas, said this is the most overt demonstration of spiritual warfare I've ever seen that the media actually covered. A month later, Charlie was murdered. And Charlie was murdered for everyone to see. And since we've had that, after Jesus and the apostles call Satan a murderer, they also say that he's a slanderer, an accuser, and a liar. And what have we had since the murder? We've had nothing but slander and accusations and lies, particularly against Erica and her organization. And it's so obvious. And now you have people who are actually supporting the release of sex offenders, pedophiles and murderers and rapists, and you have governors and mayors advancing this. How mad have we become, Megan? How do we. What do we do about this? From a legal perspective? What can the Feds do to waltz and fry? I know there's some subpoenas that have come down recently. What's gonna happen there? What do you think can happen there legally?
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I mean, it's complicated. More complicated than it is with that church and the invasion of the service on Sunday? Because the feds have the right to enforce, to make and enforce immigration policy. That's extremely clear under the US Constitution and under Supreme Court precedent, the state may not pass a law that conflicts with federal law. Right. Because of the Supremacy Clause. Like when we had a Joe Biden in there who was not enforcing federal immigration law. We saw some states, like Texas, try to pass laws making the immigration laws tougher. Those were struck down. You can't. Like, the feds have complete control over immigration law, but they cannot obstruct federal law either. So these sanctuary city laws, policies, they get away with them because it's not technically considered obstruction. It's just. We're not helping. We're not gonna help you. But if they can prove there's actual obstruction, which is what Pam Bondi is sniffing around right now on Walz and fry and the St. Paul and the Minneapolis. Well, the mayor in St. Paul as well is, have you obstructed because while you don't have to help us, okay, they don't have to help us. They can't obstruct us. You can't impede enforcement of federal immigration law. So if there's some sort of emails saying let's actively hide people or let's somehow thwart the lists that they're using or let's misdirect them somehow, that kind of thing, that would be unlawful. So, I mean, you could have an obstruction charge. So that's what they're nosing around. It's going to be tougher to make, but that's why they're subpoenas that have been issued.
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So that judge that was convicted in Wisconsin. We'll talk about it after the break. We're talking the great Megyn Kelly and we're making a distinction here. Megan's making a distinction between we're not going to help to obstruction. We'll unpack that further right after the break. The great Megyn Kelly. You can find her on YouTube. You, you can find her on XM. Check her out there. She does a show every day. Very insightful. Don't go anywhere. We're back in just a couple of minutes. You're listening to I Don't have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist. Who has jurisdiction over immigration? Is it the feds or the state? And as we just saw, our guest today, the great Megyn Kelly talks about the fact that the feds have jurisdiction. And Megan, there was a situation where a judge actually hid a illegal immigrant from ice. I think it was in Wisconsin. It went to trial. The judge was convicted. I don't know what in what court it was. I guess it was a federal court. Do you know much about that case? And, and how was she convicted?
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Yeah, I don't, I don't actually remember the particulars of it, but I remember that she hid the illegals from ICE that showed up at the courthouse. Once again, something that was made necessary by the sanctuary policies and because ICE doesn't actually like to show up at federal courthouses and make arrests of people who are on trial, but they've been left with no choice in some of these jurisdictions. And she actively hid the person that became clear in the course of the investigation and pushed the ICE agents out of the courtroom while she got rid of the illegal out the back door, the side door. And then it resulted in a foot chase and so on. So it was very clear she did it. And yeah, she was found guilty and I think is subjected to some judicial discipline as well.
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So this situation is where a state official is actually obstructing federal immigration law. And if Pam Bondi can prove that Tim Waltz or Jacob Fry or anybody else up there has obstructed ICE in any way, that can be a criminal case, correct?
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B
Yeah. Yeah. Then. Then they could be in some trouble. So she's starting with the subpoenas to see their documents and their email. She clearly doesn't have it yet, but she's nosing around it to see what, if anything, she's gonna find. Now, that would be extraordinary. I mean, I really would be surprised if they were dumb enough to put that kind of thing in writing, but it's worth looking.
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A
Why, then, did Keith Ellison, the Attorney General of Minnesota, you mentioned at the top of this program, there's something called the FACE act, which originally was supposed to prevent pro lifers from getting too close to abortion clinics, but it also had a clause in there which prevented people from protesting worship services. Why did Keith Ellison, do you think, the other day, said, oh, the Face act doesn't apply to the worship service.
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Situation because he is. The legal term for it is dumb? That's where we are with Keith Ellison. He's an idiot. He clearly stopped reading the Face act after he got past the part he loved about abortion clinics and how you can't protest outside of them. I mean, he purported to state the law definitively on with Don Lemon, which is a completely inappropriate place for the sitting AG of Minnesota to go after. The guy's just committed an alleged crime, even knowing that he's committed an alleged crime. How dare he go on with him and pontificated about the law? Only in part, like he forgot to keep reading and made a fool out of himself. So, I mean, thank goodness it's not his statute to enforce. It is a federal statute, and it will be enforced. But he doesn't know what he's talking about. And Ellison, in my opinion, is as corrupt as they come. I mean, he's completely embedded with these corrupt Somalis, and he has been found on tape talking to all of them about how he's going to play down their cases and help get them out of trouble. So he denies that he was actively participating in fraud, but it doesn't sound good. He clearly has more of an empathy for the fraudsters than he does their victims. And I think he has more of an empathy for Don Lemon than he does Don Lemon's victims in that church.
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By the way, if I'm remembering correctly, Keith Ellison was in Congress at one point, and he was sworn in on a Koran.
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Yeah. Yes, he was, of course, just like.
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Mayor of way back when, before the new mayor of New York was.
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Look, let's face it, Minnesota's lost. It's. Minnesota is Somaliland now, in particular Minneapolis, and so is Dearborn, Michigan. And it's just if we don't start getting really honest about our feelings on this, we're going to lose more American cities. I'm sorry. Like, I have a dear friend who's Muslim. She's not really politically Muslim. She, you know, occasionally goes to mosque. But political Islam, which is the flip side of religious Islam, is deeply inconsistent with the values of the West. And we cannot be afraid to say that. Like, they're not pro free speech. They're not pro women's rights at all, and they don't understand at all that you can't rule through theocracy. Okay, so we've gone too far in this country in removing religious from religion from the public square. That's starting to get righted. You know, God's references to God and basic fundamental Christian concepts are the basis for our laws. But it's very different. You're talking about, like, Islamic law over in the Middle East. You're looking at something very different, like where you could get stoned to death for not wearing your hijab. That's. There's no consistency between those core beliefs and American values. They don't want to assimilate. They have five times a day, call to prayer. Have you seen the streets of Dearborn, Michigan, where they celebrate that? Where the first one goes off at 3am in some of these cities? And people have to listen to that being broadcast over an Internet. The same call that we heard on 911 as they were flying the planes into the building of Allahu Akbar. Now it's passing you as you're just doing your Christmas shopping. I'm sorry, but it's a no. There are plenty of places where that. That's. That works. Those values are intact. You won't be shamed for them. No one will judge them. Most of them are in the Middle east, but it's not. It shouldn't be in the middle of the heartland.
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A
In America, ladies and gentlemen, what you just heard there was history. Not Islamophobia. Islamophobia is a bogus term. Islam is not a race. It's an ideology, and it's largely a political ideology. There are Muslims of every ethnic group and every race. What Megan just said, there's is something that is true and has been true for 1400 years. Wherever political Islam takes over, rights go away. And as Charlie always used to say, I don't have a problem with micro Islam, I have a problem with macro Islam. The problem is all the so called moderates in Islam, they just give in to the radicals when a majority of Muslims take over any area. And that's why you get Sharia law in Dearborn. That's why you're starting to get it in Somaliland in Minneapolis. And Megan's absolutely right. If we don't speak up on this, we're gonna lose our very rights that we have enshrined in the Constitution. And the First Amendment is not a self defeating amendment. It doesn't give someone the right to use their freedom of religion to wipe out your freedom of religion, which is their goal. That is the goal.
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That's their goal. They've been very clear about stating it. And there's like a whole plan. If you listen to Ayaan Hirsi Ali, she'll walk you through exactly how they do it and how they plan to get their people elected and slowly but surely push Islam on us all. Do it somewhere else. Right.
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Well, Ian, we're going to have her on soon, I hope as well. Ian just came out in support of President Trump's speech in Davos where he was basically saying we just can't import all these cultures, like from Somalia, where they can't even have a real government and state themselves in Somalia. We can't have people coming here trying to bring that with them in the United States when they don't assimilate.
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B
This is such a deep issue.
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A
It was.
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I loved what he said at Davos on every level. And I love that he, you know, people are lamenting. I listen to the New York Times, the daily podcast. They're just so upset that we're taking a step away from Europe and that Europe is accepting that now. They're in the stages of grief, they said, and this is acceptance. You know what? Europe is not the way it used to be. Europe has opened its doors on its borders to an influx of all these Somali and other Western African immigrants who do not mean to assimilate. And Ayaan wrote a great book five years ago called Prey P R E Y about how these Islamic immigrants view the locals in places like the outskirts of Paris and in Londonistan. And it's to the point now where girls cannot walk down French girls or UK English girls cannot walk down the streets in tank tops and shorts because the immigrants object to the way these Westerners are dressing in their own home countries. And the rape problem that we're seeing in the uk, all of this was foreshadowed by Ayaan, who understands Islam better than anyone. And we, you know, Angela Merkel in Germany, same thing, empathy. We have to help them. All these Syrian refugees, well, how did that wind up going for the German people? So you have Trump getting up there saying you've allowed it. You don't stand up against it. You're cracking down on free speech like you're an authoritarian group of nations and we have very little in common with you anymore. So, yes, as the big dog of NATO, we have a couple of demands. We don't relate to you culturally anymore. We're paying for your defense. And in exchange for all this, we want one thing, which is to the ability to secure our hemisphere from Chinese and Russian incursions. And for us, that means Greenland. In any event, I agreed with everything he said. And Ayaan's warnings about what was happening to Europe and what's gonna happen to America if we don't pay attention were, as always, spot on.
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A
Oh, well said. And Ayaan knows what's happening. She came from Somalia, she became an atheist for a while. Now she's a Christian. She knows what is going to secure Western values. It's not atheism, it's Christianity. And a tepid atheism, even a tepid Christianity is not going to be able to overcome a rabid Islam. And so that's right.
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B
But thankfully right now, the numbers are too small. Okay, but one of the problems we have in America right now is that while, yes, these immigrants from these countries like Somalia have tons of kids, I mean, that's all part of the plan to have as many kids as humanly possible. We're not, you know, like, the native born Americans are having fewer kids than ever, which is not a good sign.
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A
That's right. And in fact, I thought I saw at a hearing recently, congressional hearing, that 78 or 79% of Somalis who have been in the United States for 10 years are still getting federal assistance.
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B
Well, this is why it's great that Trump is president, among many other reasons, is that he's now saying, if you are here and you are on public assistance, we're gonna look at deporting you. I mean, like, why should you come over here and not work and just live off the public dole? Like that makes absolutely no sense for us. And if you come over here and you commit crimes, then we're gonna look at deporting you. Even if you've been naturalized, they're talking about that now, which is great, because, of course, why do we naturalize them? Who naturalized them? Who said they could become loser American citizens who push their culture on us, don't want to assimilate, want to mooch off of our hard work and then commit crimes which include child predation. DWIs are very common, like the actual drunk, drunk driving where people get killed. So if we don't crack down on this, then we deserve the society we get. You know, I. Part of me looks at these residents in Minneapolis and I think, go ahead, let the child predator stay there. But then you think, no way. I don't mean that. Like, if these nutcases don't want to protect their own children, I. I still do. And there are a lot of people in the community who are in the minority who don't agree with these loudmouth bullies who do deserve our help. But it's very tempting to look at them and say, okay, laws of natural consequences. Why don't you live with the consequences of what you're doing right now?
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A
I wish you could be clear and more concise, Megan, but unfortunately, we'll have to save that for another show. Thanks for telling it like it is, my friend.
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B
My pleasure, Frank. Thanks for having me.
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A
Oh, it's been a joy. It's the great Megyn Kelly, ladies and gentlemen. We'll put links to her show in the show notes. Take it to heart. She's right about the legal issues here and what could happen if we don't wake up when it comes to immigration. Ladies and gentlemen, great being with you. We will see you next time. Don't forget about the college tour coming up in February. God bless. We'll see you here next time.
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