Catherine McCafferty Disobeys Bridger

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Catherine McCafferty Disobeys Bridger"

I Said No Gifts! with Bridger Winegar
Original Air Date: April 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this characteristically witty and free-wheeling episode of "I Said No Gifts!," host Bridger Winegar welcomes comedian Catherine McCafferty to his infamous backyard studio. As usual, Bridger’s only rule—no gifts—is promptly broken. The two dive into a lively conversation about traffic, Midwestern roots, texting etiquette, comedy tours, personal quirks, and the complex etiquette of gifting. Of course, Catherine brings not one, but two bags of gifts, sparking a delightful exchange about the best and worst presents, the meaning of friendship and love ("love is a nightmare, friendship is blackmail"), and the subtle art of thoughtful regifting.

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Key Discussion Points & Highlights

LA vs. Chicago Driving (05:20-06:14)

• City Driving Styles:

  • Catherine, from Chicago, discusses the shock of LA drivers’ slowness:
    “We drive fast there. Oh, and LA, people don’t drive fast. They actually, I think, make a point of driving ten miles below the speed limit…” (05:31)
  • Bridger agrees, blaming LA's mix of transplants, self-importance, and confusion.

• Driving as Rage Release:

  • Catherine admits:
    “I’m a menace to society. When I am in my car, I’m constantly just sort of screaming at no one. But that’s where I get out all of my rage.” (05:52)

Texts, Punctuation, and Voice Notes (07:28-13:51)

• Texting Styles:

  • Catherine doesn’t use punctuation, relaying a past complaint from an ex-boyfriend:
    “Yes, that I don’t use punctuation. It was when I was dating men, so it was a while ago.” (08:17)
  • Bridger quips:
    “Men’s demand for punctuation made me gay.” (08:34)

• Voice-to-Text and Voice Notes:

  • Both bemoan technological restrictions in cars (07:04-07:17).
  • Catherine loves long, chaotic voice notes and treating them like “free personal podcasts” (11:00-11:44).
  • On oversharing via voice notes:
    “I was then immediately...editing myself down. But I love a long voice note because I listen to podcasts.” (11:34)

Friendship & Blackmail (13:32-14:10)

• Memorable Quote:
  • Catherine links friendship to emotional leverage:
    “Friendship is blackmail. Love is a nightmare. Friendship is blackmail anyway.” (13:38)
  • Bridger: “You’re deepening the relationship by threatening them and getting things out of them.” (14:01)

Catherine’s Comedy Tour & Audience Dynamics (16:44-19:41)

• Catherine is about to tour cities including Salt Lake City, Phoenix, and LA; describes trying to set up logistics.

• Salt Lake City as a surprisingly gay-friendly and enthusiastic city:
  “There are a lot of gay people, and there are a lot of people in Salt Lake proper who are...great audiences.” (18:05)

• Performing in LA vs. Touring:

  • Bridger and Catherine both agree LA audiences can be tough, jaded, or distracted.

The Gifts Segment (25:00–37:12)

Catherine arrives with two gift bags, openly defying the podcast’s premise:

“I was a little surprised when you kind of waltzed into the studio holding not one, but two gifts.”
– Bridger (25:00)

Gift #1: The “More Colorful Bag” (28:36-36:13)

• Contents:

  • "Pretty Gay" merch button (limited edition)
  • Several feminist and Chicago-themed stickers:
    “Women support women” / “Women deserve better” / “Women are power” / “Born and raised” (Chicago)
  • A miniature sushi plate craft Catherine made on a date (“quiche, kitsch, kitschy”), meant as a wild card gift.

• Regifting Admission:

  • Catherine shares one sticker was a hand-me-down from an aunt (31:27-31:33).

• Quote:

  • On gifting stickers:
    “In my head they’re good gifts like socks. But they’re actually not.” (29:25)

Gift #2: Stamps! (40:28–41:51)

• Bumper pack of unused “Garden Delights” hummingbird stamps (plus one Santa stamp).
• True useable practicality:
  • Bridger: “There are a few things...like you can always use a candle...you can always use stamps.” (57:03)
• Catherine reveals she nearly purchased a Cameo from a non-famous dog as a “fun, weird thing,” but settled for practical stamps due to timing (42:04–44:00).

Cameo for Dogs (42:04-45:20)

• Catherine walks through her attempt to buy Bridger a $3 pep talk “from a wiener dog” on Cameo, discovering the platform’s hilariously tragic prompt examples:
  “My stepdad is feeling insecure about being a good role model. Remind him how lucky we are to have him in our lives.” (44:44)
• Both riff on how oddly dark these suggestions are for a dog video.

Musical Pet Peeves: Watermelon Sugar & Ed Sheeran (49:47–56:10)

• Harry Styles giggles:

  • Catherine recalls laughing hysterically at “Watermelon Sugar” performed live at SNL:
    “There’s no way this is a real song. This is so stupid...” (48:53)

• Ed Sheeran grievance:

  • Catherine details accidentally soundtracking her father’s passing with an Ed Sheeran song, not expecting its continued presence at every wedding:
    “I was, like, trolling my dad in his last breath, being like, ha ha. Not gonna love you when you’re 70.” (52:31)
  • Both agree Ed Sheeran music is inescapable and mystifyingly omnipresent.

The True Value of Practical Gifts (57:03–58:41)

• Candles, batteries, stamps, Kleenex, floss, even toilet paper—Bridger and Catherine agree everyday staples outshine flowers or trinkets as lasting, thoughtful gifts.
• Both admit they dislike receiving flowers:
  • “It does literally nothing for me. When someone gives me flowers, it dies.” – Bridger (58:21)

Plant Parenting Tips (59:27–60:07)

• Bridger reveals his transformation into a devoted plant dad with the help of a soil moisture meter—simple solutions for thrifty plant care.

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• On texting and relationships:
  “You should be part of my nightmare.” – Catherine (09:38)

• On the logic of LA traffic:
  “Everyone here thinks they’re more important than everyone else...But that all melts together with no one knowing where they’re going.” – Bridger (06:21-06:38)

• On relationship dynamics:
  “That’s what a relationship is. Two people sharing one nightmare.” – Bridger (09:43)

• On the politics of gift-giving and regifting:
  “It’s a hodgepodge. And you might say, Catherine, did you even think about these things?” – Catherine, describing her gift bag (28:52)

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Game Segment: "Gift or a Curse" (60:32–72:59)

Bridger leads Catherine through the recurring podcast game, inviting her to call out routine modern phenomena as either a "gift" or "curse." Key entries:

• Virtual Try-Ons: Curse (both agree, tech never works)
• Spending a lot on something you rarely wear: Catherine says "gift" (treat yourself!); Bridger says "curse" (telltale heart-style guilt)
• Flossing at the communal lunch table: Both say "curse" (universally horrifying)

Bonus round with producer Ellis on "Your second coffee of the day":
Collective verdict: Gift ("a little like caffeine roulette…what is it gonna be like today?") – Ellis (72:13)

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Audience Advice Segment (74:04–77:07)

Listener Hannah seeks a unique birthday gift for her shopaholic, non-athletic, outdoorsy, Netflix-binging accountant mother.

• Recommendations:
  • “Experience gifts” over physical items: live theater, jazz night, concert, or Lucha Libre pro wrestling for the thrill of booing and cheering.
  • Memorable moment:
    “The thing about [Lucha Libre]: the power, like, being encouraged to boo is the best feeling in the world.” – Bridger (76:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Driving, LA vs Chicago: 05:20–06:14
• Texting Punctuation & Voice Notes: 07:28–13:51
• Friendship as Blackmail: 13:32–14:10
• Gift Opening / Stickers & Sushi Gift: 28:36–37:12
• Stamps and Cameo Plans: 40:28–45:20
• Musician Pet Peeves: 49:47–56:10
• Practical Gifts vs Flowers: 57:03–58:41
• Plant Parenting: 59:27–60:07
• Gift or Curse Game: 60:32–72:59
• Advice Segment: 74:04–77:07

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Final Thoughts

This episode sparkles with playful chemistry, dry banter, and sly subversion of podcast and social norms. Bridger and Catherine blend neuroses, confessions, and satirical wisdom into a laugh-out-loud exploration of the little rituals, burdens, and joys of everyday life—honing in on why gift-giving (even unwanted or chaotic) reveals the quirks of love and friendship best.

Essential Quote to Sum Up the Episode:
“Love is a nightmare. Friendship is blackmail.” – Catherine McCafferty (13:38)

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For more from Catherine:

• Tour info and Patreon: “Pretty Gay” on Patreon
• Bridger’s game "Gift Master" and other goodies at exactlyrightstore.com

Follow the show:

• Instagram: @isaidnogifts
• Send questions: [e-mail]

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Missed the episode?
Read this and you’ll feel like you spent a weird, hilarious hour in Bridger’s backyard—with two bags of stickers, a tiny sushi plate, and some hot takes on Ed Sheeran.

Transcript

[Katherine McCafferty]

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[Bridger Weiniger]

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[Katherine McCafferty]

When I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you got to come to me empty handed. I said no gifts. Your presence is present enough and I already had too much stuff. So how do you dare disobey me?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Welcome to I said no gifts. I'm Bridger Weiniger. Thank you for meeting me here. We're here on the podcast. I'm. What's going on. I've had another classic Bridger Weiniger morning. Everything has just been mmm. I was angry at someone this morning, but I redirected the energy in a positive way and now I'm angry at everyone. And it's working for me. It's working for me. It's charging me up. I am powering through my day, just getting madder and madder at everyone I come in contact with. So that is kind of what I'm doing before lunch. You know, I haven't had lunch yet. Now I'm realizing my lunch is going to be delayed. Because we're starting recording at noon. What day of the week is it even? It doesn't matter to anyone. I've brought no new information to you as a listener yet. And that's good. That's a positive thing on a podcast. Is I should look and see if I have. No, I don't. I mean, outside of Patreon. Well, I probably. I'm sure I've mentioned Patreon recently, but I should mention it again. We're having the time of our lives on patreon. Patreon.com. i said no gifts. It's flourishing. Everyone over there, it's a little walled garden of delight. Everybody's having the time of their life. I'm having the time of my life. Special guests, we've had Naomi Ek Perrigan. We've had My Mom, We've had Jimmy Smagula. All kinds of people come over, come support the podcast. I mean, it costs probably a thousandth of a Netflix subscription at this point, so I don't know. There's just kind of no excuse. I don't want to hear anything about it. I think I've dragged everyone through whatever this was long enough. I think we should get into the podcast. Today's guest is absolutely Delightful. It's Katherine McCafferty. Catherine, welcome to I said no gifts.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Hello. Thank you so much for having me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm so happy to have you here.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm a little nervous that you're mad at me now based on that intro. Okay, great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Not yet.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. I can't wait to dig myself out

[Bridger Weiniger]

of a hole, to be a deep hole.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Inescapable.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Absolutely. That's how I start every interaction with every single human being. I'm like, you're on a pedestal and I'm a tiny rat mouse.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm ready to make mistakes. Just get on your nerves. Yeah, No, I can't imagine, but I can. So just be careful for the next hour or so.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I love walking on broken glass.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm on my last nerve.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You were in some sort of traffic on the way here. I was also in similar traffic.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Some sort of la. Are you from. Where are you from?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm from Salt Lake City.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Where are you from?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm from Chicago.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

We drive fast there. Oh, and la, people don't drive fast. They actually, I think, make a point of driving 10 miles below the speed limit, like, per hour. And I'm floored when I get on the expressway and I go, oh, we're all going 40. Really?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I do this in neighborhoods.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. And I am. I mean, I'm a menace to society. When I am in my car, I'm constantly just sort of screaming at no one. But that's where I get out all of my rage. So that then I arrive to a place kind of like flustered, Apologizing to everyone.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sweating.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Deeply Midwestern.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No. I think I've tried to piece together why driving in LA is so particularly bad.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And my theory. I've come to the conclusion that almost everyone here is a transplant.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Almost everyone here thinks they're more important than everyone else.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Correct.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And almost everyone here thinks that they need to be to their place on time before everyone else. And so. But that all melts together with no one knowing where they're going.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. So everyone's kind of going too slow on their phone. On their phone.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Sending an email.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm constantly sending voice texts when I'm in my car. So it never makes sense. It's voice to text. It's not a voice note.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. So, yeah, the voice. I've recently, for whatever reason, my car updated or my phone updated to it. No longer letting me do that in the car. Oh, I can no longer get in touch with the phone.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh. Oh, my God. Cool.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Feels like a good safety feature to be like, no, we want you to be using the phone.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, yeah, you gotta use your thumbs on this one.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And this was when I had just gotten used to, like, was finally kind of trusting how bad it was. And I knew it would sent by Siri. I won't say it so my phone doesn't freak out. And so I would at least know that the recipient would know. That's why it was a disaster of a text.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But now I'm trapped in my car just being mad at the phone. But you're sending. Are they long texts or you do.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, they're long. They're long. They make no sense. There's so many, like, misspellings. But what I wanna be communicating is usually that I'm late.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, right.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And then also some kind of tidbit about my. My friends all know that my friends are all like, they're detectives. And I feel like I'm doing them a favor.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Cause I'm like, I'm giving you sort of like a fun puzzle for your morning. You're welcome.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. It's something you can decipher. You don't need connections or wordle or anything. It's just a text from Kat.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's just a text from me. I've always been like that, though. And I don't use punctuation in my texts, and I've been told that that's a huge turnoff.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Somebody told you that that was a turn off?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes, that I don't use punctuation. It was when I was dating men, so it was a while ago.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. All right. And this. I mean, that would get me away from men as well.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And. Yeah, that was it. That was the straw that broke the camel's back. I said, I'm gay, honey.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Men's demand for punctuation made me gay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yep. Mm. That was the whole thing. There's nothing else that's wrong with straight men. Nothing else. You heard it here first. Okay. It's just their insistence on punctuation.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That is a crazy thing to ask for. I don't use any. I mean, I will. If I finish a sentence and have one more sentence, there will be a period between the two. But.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Well, that's the kind of punctuation he was talking about.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So it was just run on sentences.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, I was texting. Like, I was speaking. Do you know what I mean? And I speak very fast, and you gotta keep up. And he was just slow, so.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But so if you, like with a. If you were asking a question, there would be no question mark.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I don't have time for that. Who has time for that? I like this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I like that.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And then I feel like it's a great indicator if you're gonna be on my same page in terms of. You can pick up jokes. We don't have to explain ourselves. You're in the cadence of my mind immediately. Which is a nightmare.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But it's a delightful one, I would imagine.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But I wanna share it with the person that I love.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. You should be part of my nightmare.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. That's what love is.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's what a relationship is. Two people sharing one nightmare.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

People can tell if they're getting a voice to text from me. If there's a lot of punctuation. If the whole thing ends with a period or a question mark, it's like, this is not Bridger. This is. A computer is in charge right now. And I almost want to ask the phone, will you just not put any. Don't finish that.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Just skip that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I don't need you to do that for me. But there's really nothing you can do.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, you can't. You can't reason with a phone.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, there's absolutely not. For me, when I was able to do the voice to Text. I would rehearse in my mind several times before I would even contact the phone genie. I would say, this is how I'll say it so I don't get too flustered.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Amazing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And then if it's screwed up, I just gave up.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, that's important. It's important to bring back giving up.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Do you ever send a voice note?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. I love a voice note. Although I was in another problematic relationship. Brag. This one was with a woman. So even women can be bad. And she did not like more than a minute long voice note to the point of saying, I won't listen past a minute. Oh, yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Even if it's got a great hook.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What if it's exciting?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I know. And like, what if I can't get you on the phone? Do you know what I mean? And I'm not great at texting. And I don't love a text conversation. Cause you can't hear the cadence, the emotion in what's going on. So to me, that that was an act of terrorism against me. That's a domestic act of terrorism. Because I was then immediately, I'll change myself because again, I'm Midwestern. And so I was like, okay, absolutely, whatever you say is probably the right way to date, you know? And so then I was just editing myself down. But I love a long voice note because I listen to podcasts.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. It is just kind of like a free podcast episode.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And it's a podcast by your friend.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. A very personal right there for you.

[Katherine McCafferty]

What a dream.

[Bridger Weiniger]

My one pushback on a voice note is. Well, it's not even that. It's just if it is over a minute long, the person just has to then expect me to listen to it whenever. It could be a day before I get back to you.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, it can be. I think that it can be a week because I have a friend who will send me like seven minute long voice notes and she'll maybe send like three in a row. And I save those and I go, okay, I'm gonna catch up with my good friend Leah once I have like a little coffee break.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. You cannot put an urgent question or anything in a voice note because you're just going to hear from me days from now.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And there are certain friends where I'll get it and I'll just be like you.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, sure, yeah. Name names, first and last addresses. Thank you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But then there are other friends who I'm like, what a gift. I've gotten a little fun present from them. I know this will be Entertaining. They have a story to tell.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Absolutely. I love like gossip also in a voice note. Because. How dangerous? Because Min automatically save.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, how do you do that? This is what I need.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's in settings somewhere. Because when I have a crush, I will open up sort of the voice note. I'll open up that mode of communication to see is it gonna be taken, are you gonna send one back and then you can see if they've saved it. Oh, but then I did have a crush who had the settings on that saved every single voice note. So I really read into that and I was like, oh my God, she wants it. She's all my voice notes. And she was like, oh, no, I'm doing that with everyone.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You're just being thrown in a heap.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. I was like, oh, shit.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But this is great. You're a journalist in this way, saving all of these notes. I could become a journalist.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I could save all of this gossip.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And then you have stuff on people.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. They're all just vanishing. I could have blackmail on everyone in my life at this point.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I mean, truly. And that's friendship. Okay? We solved love and now we're solving friendship. Friendship is blackmail. Love is a nightmare. Friendship is blackmail anyway.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Blackmail is making sure they're in your life and that you're interacting with each other at high stakes. And I think that that's fun and emotional.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I agree with you. We are on the same page here.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You're deepening the relationship by threatening them and getting things out of them.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, And I don't know why. I don't have a lot of friends.

[Bridger Weiniger]

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[Bridger Weiniger]

what's going on in your life? What's exciting for you right now?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh gosh. Well, I'm actually about to go on tour and we're gonna go to Salt Lake City.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, where are you going in Salt la.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Totally.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's a great name for a club actually. Club Totally.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I should absolutely know the answer to this. But it's big venue.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Let's see.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's normally, I think a music venue.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's the Energy Solutions Arena.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes, it is.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think that's what it's called now. That's where the Utah Jazz play.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It used to be called the Delta center and then I think some sort of nuclear waste facility took over, which we love to hear.

[Katherine McCafferty]

That's actually where we're performing. They put us there. But I want to know like, are there a lot of gay people in Salt Lake City.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay, cool.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. I, friends of the podcast, Jordan Myrick and Kendall Landreth love Salt Lake City.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I love them. And I was actually. And you heard it here first, folks, because I have not actually asked them, but I wanted to take them to Salt Lake City. You should, because they're married. And then I could either date them both individually or together as a married couple.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, it's true. Totally. Very Salt Lake City.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Well, that. Oh, I didn't even put that together. Wow. That's the concept of the show that I do. I go on, like, these mock dates.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I like this. I like this. No, there are a lot of gay people and there are a lot of people in Salt Lake proper who are. Who want. They're great audiences.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, good.

[Bridger Weiniger]

They love. It's coming from out of town. Yeah. It's a breath of fresh air.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Amazing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, I've heard, you know, you go to concerts growing up or whatever, and bands will be like, you guys, like, we haven't seen an audience like this. And you're like, oh, I'm sure. And then you get out of the state and you still hear that about Utah.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I hope that I'm not setting you up for a disappointment.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I know you might be, but we're doing, like, we're doing a show in la, and in LA it is hard to perform. And so I feel like anything outside of LA will be a treat.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God. You'll feel like the Beatles.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Not to shit on la. It's just that there's so much, like, talent here and so many people who need to finish their screenplay. They need to.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And we are rooting for them.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And I want you to finish your screenplay and I want you to cast me in it. Okay. So, like, whatever.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, this is not a super thrilling town to do live. Anything for everyone is.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Maybe if you're a musician.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I don't even think that I go to concerts.

[Katherine McCafferty]

There's so many hot people here.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I know.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Don't they want to be seen? Like, I imagine hot people just want to be seen listening to music.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I believe that. Actually, no. I'll sometimes go to a concert and I feel bad for the band because I'm like. And the venue will be pretty full, but everyone's such a dud. Yeah, LA people are. Dude. Guys, I don't know. I don't get it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And then I feel like I'm taking on a lot of the were clapping.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, I'm the most enthusiastic audience member. Even at, like, comedy Shows because I'm like, I came here for a reason, and it wasn't to cross my arms and be angry. Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I do that everywhere else.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Exactly. I could be at home doing that

[Bridger Weiniger]

now if I'm with somebody who dragged me there. Different might be a different story. And now I'm trying to prove a point to the performer and my friend. And I'm a real dud.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. But I think you're gonna have such a good time in Salt Lake and there's some good food there. It's what time of year going?

[Katherine McCafferty]

We're going May 20th.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, it's going to be so beautiful. You should try to stop by something called. I think it's called Gilgal Gardens.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's, like, weird. It's like this little free park with very strange art.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's almost indescribable, but there's like a sphinx with Joseph Smith's face on it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, yeah. I'm going there.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's worth stopping by for. Sure.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'll walk through.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Well, I'm excited for you. Are you driving on tour? Florida?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I also don't know the answer to that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I know. I keep trying to get in touch with the powers that be, and they're like, we'll set a call. And so it's a mystery. But it's a fun mystery.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. Wait till the last minute.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Who cares?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Do you like a road trip?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I wouldn't say that I like a road trip, but I'm also like, if that's the vibe of the whole tour, I'm committing. I'm committing to a theme. And so I can really get into, like. Well, the theme is road trip.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I don't think you could do. I could not tour without being excited about it being a road trip.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Because that would be agony.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm not alone also, so that's good. I have, like, a little bing bong with me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

A bing bong?

[Katherine McCafferty]

A bing bong. You know, like that little. Like a little clown you bring with you everywhere. She's a human woman. Her name is Kaelyn Mahoney. She's very talented. But she, like, sits on stage with me and we do, like, a little thing together. She's gonna be at every show, so I wouldn't be driving by myself. And I feel like that would be

[Bridger Weiniger]

hell yeah for me. I'm not sure if I.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Would you like to be by yourself?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I like being on the open road, listening to music. My mind's wandering I'm drifting through towns

[Katherine McCafferty]

I Can't have my mind wander too much again. It's a nightmare.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Where else are you going on tour?

[Katherine McCafferty]

We're going to Phoenix, Arizona. Okay, I'll name them backwards. We're going to Phoenix. Then we're gonna be in San Diego, Louisiana. San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But we start in Vancouver, then get, like. To Phoenix.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How do you feel about Phoenix?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I would imagine that we would fly to Phoenix. Well, Phoenix is the largest venue that they booked us.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Really?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And that is also my face.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Interesting.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So I really hope there's a lot of gay people in Phoenix.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. I guess we just have to allow cities to surprise us.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Absolutely. And if there's not, then it will be just like an intimate. It will be an intimate show in a huge space.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It'll be like meeting one person in their mansion. Yes. You'll be like, you've brought just me here. This is incredible. I feel so special.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And we'll use this space. We'll run around, you know, it'll be gym class, actually.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Have you been to Phoenix before?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Hmm, I don't remember. We drove. My brother and I drove from Chicago to LA during sort of a chaotic time in our lives. So I don't quite know the route that we took, but we went through Arizona.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Yeah. My guess is you did not go through Phoenix. You would know.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You would know. You'd been through Phoenix.

[Katherine McCafferty]

My brain was somewhere else. It was outside my body.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've been to Phoenix. I've been through the airport. The airport is an exciting thing because you look out and it really is like cartoon desert. It really feels so fascinating to look at. And you also know I don't have to stay here.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And again, I'm sure there's plenty of wonderful things about Phoenix.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. I've heard good things.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And I'm trying from people who have

[Katherine McCafferty]

left,

[Bridger Weiniger]

there's something good and something horrible about truly any city.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. We shat upon the city that we live in. So, like, yes. All the time there's something that will deter you from being in a place no matter what.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. And I feel like I'm like, hyper sensitive to it because growing up in Utah was like. I mean, it's like outside of New Jersey, like, number one butt of jokes on every piece of entertainment. So I'm like, I try to be cautious about making fun of other people's cities and then I fail and make fun of them.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Well, that's okay. You're getting back. You're getting back at all of them.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, speaking of getting back at things and revenge and people making mistakes. I was looking forward to having you here on the podcast, and I'm not going to retaliate. The podcast is called I said no gifts. Yes, I imagine you were aware of that, at least on your drive here. So I was a little surprised when you kind of waltzed into the studio holding not one, but two gifts.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, I know. Bold.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Are these gifts for me?

[Katherine McCafferty]

They are, but I told you at the beginning of this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes, I love. I don't know how that happened, but half of the studio just fell off. I'm a witch.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm a witch. It was me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is the thrill for a video viewer.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. I said, how dare you criticize me?

[Bridger Weiniger]

We're going to review the footage and see what you were actually doing right there.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Wow. Dewey, reset or do we just keep going?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, we stop down. We have a whole crew. Come in and clean this up.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm gonna leave.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We'll start recording again in a minute.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, no, I told you at the beginning of this that I like to dig myself out of a hole. And I was thinking, how do I put myself in that hole? Well, I'll go against the name of the podcast.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, so you like to dig yourself out of a hole. Okay, we'll see. Should we open them here on the podcast?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I think so. We should start with the more colorful bag.

[Bridger Weiniger]

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[Bridger Weiniger]

what a fun little bag. It's got kind of like a fun pattern. This could make a good pair of

[Katherine McCafferty]

pants or shorts for a tiny, tiny person.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, look at that. Looks like a cute little skirt. Actually a little prairie skirt for my dolls. For dolls. Okay, I'm reaching in.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's a hodgepodge. And you might say, Catherine, did you even think about these things?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Are there several things in here?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, Should I pull them out one at a time?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. Merch. Cause I thought, like, that's dumb.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, I think this is good. This is a piece of your merch. It says pretty gay on it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And you actually can't buy it. Cause we stopped making it, so. Ooh, this is limited edition.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, I'll get on ebay now.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, let's keep pulling out for a moment here. Yeah, let's see. Women, support women.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I have a lot of stickers and I'm constantly buying little stickers because in my head they're good gifts like socks. But they're actually not.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I would push back on that. I would say a sticker is maybe something, like, in the card of another gift.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Absolutely. Yeah. But I said no. I said full gift. And so a creator reached out to me with, I believe this person is getting a divorce or something. They really went into it, and I love it. I believe it, and I love that. But they're trying to rebuild their business. And they said, will you please buy stickers from me? And I said, of course I will. And then I instantly forgot that I did that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How do they get in touch with you?

[Katherine McCafferty]

And I got Instagram because this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

God bless.

[Katherine McCafferty]

They're all this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is a star that says women deserve better.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And I wanted you to know that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Where does this sticker go?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Serve better. Straight to the White House. I said I would be screaming on this podcast. And I delivered. Yeah. So mail that to whoever you think needs it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm going to put this on the inside of a men's bathroom stall.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. Good.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Nice little reminder.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, I love that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Hey, guys. Women deserve better.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. An ally.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm an ally.

[Katherine McCafferty]

An ally to women.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And I'm gonna set these. Oh, no, I'm not gonna set them up.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, they're gonna fall.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Oh, there are more. Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So. And then there's another.

[Bridger Weiniger]

There's another woman.

[Katherine McCafferty]

1.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Let's be very clear. So far, I've disagreed with every single one of these stickers.

[Katherine McCafferty]

This.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Women are power.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. You said no.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, they're not. We're saying no to that.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, they're not. If they were, we wouldn't shit on them so much.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Now, this is a sticker that says born and raised.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And that is I am from Chicago. Yeah. That's the Chicago flag.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That is.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. I wanted you to have a little piece of me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wait, so the Chicago flag says born and raised on it?

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, no, no. Just the stars.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, just the stars. So this is baffling.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Where did you get this?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I would say, if I were being honest, an aunt gave it to me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, interesting.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So that's actually a re. Gift.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And the stickers run in the family, then.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I guess. I guess maybe that's where I get it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Are you getting back to Chicago that often?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Not, no. I mean, probably every other Christmas.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And then whenever I go, like, I like to go to see the people who might die soon. Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, interesting.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And you have to. You have to.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Is that like a warning sign to people who you're visiting in Chicago? They're like, My time's up.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It is now, honey. But I have a lot of family that is still in Chicago, including my mom, and I like her a lot.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's a decent reason to visit a city. Liking your mom.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. I always schedule a show when I'm there. So she is always like, you couldn't just visit? And I'm like, no, I'm sorry. I also have to make money. I'm an entrepreneur.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, that would be a waste of time to just visit with a parent.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, we're just gonna have like a good time.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, I don't think so. I did a live show there last year and had a wonderful time, but I kind of let myself down.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You did a live show at the same time I was doing a live show in Chicago. In Chicago.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We were dueling.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes, we were dueling. Now, your guest also has red hair.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, Brendan Scannel.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. I love Brendan.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Is that the live show you were talking about?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Cause we did a show at the Lincoln Lodge and he hit me up to do standup on that show.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And did he?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, he did. And he was eating same night. I think he was going to yours or coming tomorrow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think he was going to yours after because he came to mine. He had quite an evening.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It was like 9:30 or something.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. And he had been to dinner and he brought me as the gift his leftovers.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Leftovers, Leftovers, Leftovers. Amazing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

The chicken was already dry. I was very happy about it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Where was it from?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Like a famous Greek place. I can't remember. I let myself down in Chicago because I only went to essentially one restaurant the entire time because I just didn't want to stray from the area that I was staying.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Where were you staying?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Great question.

[Katherine McCafferty]

That's okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's kind of cool. And there was a good bakery and Lincoln Park.

[Katherine McCafferty]

There's a lot of like, Cool.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think I would remember Lincoln Park. I wish I could remember anything. I just went to the hamburger place. A bunch of or small cheval.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You would think that I would know all the famous places.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, but you've been gone for a while.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I've been gone for a while. And also I'm allergic to everything fun. So I don't know. Good food?

[Bridger Weiniger]

None at all?

[Katherine McCafferty]

No. I can't have like gluten because I'm celiac. I can't have dairy. I choose not to eat red meat because I'm annoying. And then like, I can't have like a smattering of other things like beans or peanuts.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh my God.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I feel like my sister's celiac, and there's a world of enjoying food within celiac especially. I feel like with a lot of, like, Asian food.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I feel like Mexican food. You can get. I can get by decent celiac. Friendly stuff.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. Like the beans and the cheese really get me. Oh, but you can get a great taco or ceviche.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And then. Yeah. Indian food, Thai food. I feel like there's all kinds of options.

[Katherine McCafferty]

There are. If you're willing to be annoying and ask a bunch of questions, you kind

[Bridger Weiniger]

of have to commit to being annoying.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You do? Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And that's a power you have over other people.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, thank you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just being irritating.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think you should take that.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'll take that. Yeah. I'll take that as a compliment. Absolutely.

[Bridger Weiniger]

If you can be irritating in particular situations, no one can do anything against it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No. Because I guess it'd be like it's an allergy.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes, exactly. You need to own that.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's an allergy. And I did insist on coming to this burger place. Psycho.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, let's keep going.

[Katherine McCafferty]

There's one more thing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. There he is. Let's see.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay, so that is something that I made on a date.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Whoa. It's like a miniature sushi plate.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. So I went over to this girl's house, and she had crafts set up for us to do. And I was like, yeah, I'm all in on this. And I just. I don't know, like, how to use that. Like, I did try to incorporate it into, like, a hairstyle once. I made a couple of those. So.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Oh, so is it like a hair clip?

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, I wouldn't use it as that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But I think it's just, like, a fun little clip because it opens, which is kind of like quiche, kitsch, kitschy.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Quiche. It is quiche. It's so quiche. This is very quiche.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So I don't know. I threw that in there just as a wild card. Cause I was like, well, what if he hates stickers? You know, he hates gifts. What if he hates stickers? And this is something I made with my bare hands.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm trying to figure out how you made this. Like, what?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay, so what actually it is is she had all these little things that, like, you get in, like, a mystery pack, and you don't know what's inside. And it's those, like, little. Little guys. So the little sushi guy right there is also, like, a little taco and, like, all little foods.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And then you just glue it onto. Yeah. Really simple. It's just hot. It's just hot glue. So I didn't, like, paint, but no, I'm not, like, making the little plastic sushi. No.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What I was imagining was a very different thing, though. I know.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Instead we just made, like, a bunch of those.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's so fun.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It was a really fun date.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm not entirely sure, like, what. Cause it's, like, on a nice little sushi plate, and it's like sashimi on rice. That's what this is as far as. But then it's in, like, a weird warming or like, there's a clear bubble that goes over it. So it's like a serving dish.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. So it's like, ta, ta, ta, ta da.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And I can't really place this in the real world outside of miniatures, I guess. Maybe, like, on a hotel room floor.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I went to a fancy sushi restaurant once where they put, like, smoke inside and then they opened it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So maybe it's that this is very

[Bridger Weiniger]

experimental food or something. And then it can clip onto something.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. You're welcome. Hey, you're welcome. It was made with love. And can you imagine flirting and, like, trying to, like, knock at hot glue on your fingers and just being like, no. Okay. So, yeah. Where are you from? You know?

[Bridger Weiniger]

How are you doing? Hot glue's dangerous. Are you burning your fingers there?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Not. No.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I need a hot glue gun.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. Everyone should have one. You can do anything with hot glue.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You could protect your home.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You have some woolly gas. You gotta. You do need to, like, refill, and that's. That takes a minute.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I feel like there is, like, you've run into a lot of things where you could use hot glue in your house.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And then when you don't have it around.

[Katherine McCafferty]

What a bummer.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What a bummer.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Like, how do you fix things then?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's a toilet handle for. I don't have my hot glue.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And I love a hot glue stick.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Where do you get those Michaels?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, I think just at any crafting store.

[Bridger Weiniger]

When was the last time you were in a Michaels?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Hmm. That's an excellent question. It was definitely this year.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I like crafts. I like getting little things, especially for, like, the show.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, sure.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah.

[Katherine McCafferty]

The show will, like. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I've probably been this year. I also, like, typically around Halloween, I'm in a Michaels, just wandering.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. I would say Michael's needs to get it together.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, yeah. It's like Insane that it still exists because you walk in, you go, why is the yard everywhere? Like, nothing makes sense. The aisles are. It's like, yeah, we have jewelry in aisle one, and then we also have jewelry in nine and 10 and the bottom shelf of 29. And you're like, the dunk, huh? And yeah, there are, like, little, like, carts, like these metal carts that just have, like, a bunch of shit in them. And you're like, what do you mean?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Who's deciding what goes in the metal carts?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I think it's an employee who doesn't get paid enough who is done with their shift and said I needed to put all of these away. No, Nah, they're in. Happening.

[Bridger Weiniger]

They're in something now.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, they're in something.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I don't know when the turn was, because I feel like there was a period in the last 10 years or so when I could go in Michael's and things were on the shelves.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Really?

[Bridger Weiniger]

And now I'm like, I'm wading through things.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. I just felt like Michaels maybe was always like this, but I was younger.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, interesting, right?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Had more patience and didn't know how stuff worked.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Had more hope for the world.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Walked in and was like, ooh, scavenger hunt, you know?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, if they took. That's the marketing angle they should take.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

See if you can find it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Michaels.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And if you find everything on your list, you get, like, a little prize.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You get to buy it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Then you get to buy it. Congrats. Yeah. Okay, so then this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, that's okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

This is what I would like to call an excellent gift.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's the only useful sticker.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, well, okay, I disagree. I'm going to put all of these on my bumper.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, those are bridge. Our bumper.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just let somebody know that I'm falling apart emotionally. Okay, let's see. Pulling this out. Stamp. Oh, this is such a useful gift. And it's not just like, you found these in the junk drawer. This is a whole thing. None of these have been used yet.

[Katherine McCafferty]

None of them have been used. That would be insane to give you used stamps. I pulled them off of letters.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We should take a look back at our past guests.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But if you look closely, there was one used stamp, and I filled it in with something real obvious with a Santa stamp. With a Santa.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sup. So the rest of the stamps are beautiful hummingbirds.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And it's the garden delights collection.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And Santa.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And then Santa, which is kind of will. I'll have to use a hot glue gun to Put it on.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You will? Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Which is fine.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I didn't take it off of an envelope, though. I just took it off of another sheet of stamps, so it hasn't been used. You can still use Santa on a

[Bridger Weiniger]

letter because the way they make sure they put a stamp over it so you could tell this is still a usable. I'll save that for the holidays or,

[Katherine McCafferty]

I mean, I don't know, branch out.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, Christmas in July.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes, exactly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You're gonna have Christmas every day.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You could. And I wanna explain why these gifts feel like this, because I had a plan to get you, like, a really fun, weird thing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Which was a cameo. Oh, I thought, okay, that'll be fun. And then I looked at Cameo, and I was like, the people that I like on Cameo, way too expensive. Haven't even met this man. So not dropping 200 bucks. But then I was like, okay, it might also be fun to get him the cheapest cameo.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, who from?

[Katherine McCafferty]

A dog.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But the turnaround time. And I had this, and I said, katherine, it's on the to do list. It's on the to do list. And I did it last night. So it didn't. I don't think it delivered, but you will be getting that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But can I read to you one of the most psychotic prompts that it gave me, please?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, who's running the dog's cameo account?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I would imagine the owner.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Or is it, like, one of these things where the dog calls 911? The dog has created a cameo for itself.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, it's just really, really smart, actually.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So they're giving you prompts to give to the dog.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So how can. Okay, let me see if I can pull up my cameo. Because I did have to also, like, make an account.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I've never ordered a cameo. I. I guess I should get into that and support some people who are falling apart.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Cameo has slid into my DMs no less than 5,000 times to be like, you should be on cameo. And I'm like, I really shouldn't.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm not there yet. Leave me alone.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I really can't be doing that. I don't have a ton of server. But I did take a screenshot of what I wanted to share. So instead, I will do that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, great.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. So you can. You write in who it's for.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And then you write in why you're getting the cameo. So it can be like, birthday, anniversary, cute little note. And then one of the things is pep talk. I said, well, obviously, that's the one I'm gonna choose. And then this is for. It was gonna be a wiener dog to deliver this cameo.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Now, I looked at the. I looked at the examples of the cameos that this wiener dog has done, and it's a lot of, like, a wiener dog on a bed sort of walking across a note, which is really great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Like, the owner has, like, scribbled out the message on a note.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But imagine this cost me $3. So, like, that's correct. Okay. And it's not a famous dog. Not yet.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. No trying to build a phone. I mean, wait till this episode releases.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. So then you can go in and give instructions to the dog on, like, what this person needs a pep talk on.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. But it gives you a little prompt. And it says, like, an example might be my stepdad is feeling insecure about being a good role model. Remind him how lucky we are to have him in our lives.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What's going on in that family? Oh, no.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Devastating to a lot. Like, be going through something and then get a cameo from a wiener dog being like, you're a good role model. Stepdad.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Stepdad's ready to leave.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. It's like, absolutely not. I'm killing myself today. Do you know what's happening? I don't know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That is so dark.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why couldn't the prop just be like, we're having a big game.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes, we're having a big game, and I want him to do a great job.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why did it have to be a family falling apart?

[Katherine McCafferty]

It always is. It's always a family falling apart. So I will send that to you once again.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Please. I'm so excited about that. What else can you. Could you do, like, a court summons with a cameo?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I bet you could.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Or does that. No, that probably has to be in person.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, right. Yeah. That's a TaskRabbit.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Right. Does somebody serve their wife, like, in a very public way? Oh, she's like an actor.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This happened Jason Sudikis. Yes, Jason Sudeikis. While she was on stage giving an award or something.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It was a shit move.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That was really a wild situation.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I know. It was. You gotta be like, you have to get over the fact that she cheated on you with whatever, Harry Styles.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Is that what happened?

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, I'm starting that rumor today right now.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is so weird. I was just thinking about that weird movie.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, that they did together.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah.

[Katherine McCafferty]

The one that was like, they were together at some point. But I don't think there was any kind of cheating scandal.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. But there was the movie where they're all in the dark, but then they're in the Matrix or something.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, that's it. That's it. But then there's housewives.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. There's like kind of a. Like a mid century housewives feel, but they are also in the Matrix.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, but they're like dolls being like fed at home or something. I don't know. That's not bad.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, one look into it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Don't look into it. I watched it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, wow. You saw it?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I did. I saw it on my television.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I guess I need to see. See it. This actually sounds wonderful to me. It.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, I think it was interesting. But again, if this is how I'm describing it, however, Olivia Wild, if you want to work with me, I think your ex husband did a shitty thing. But Jason, Ted, Lasso.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Reach out.

[Katherine McCafferty]

What's up? Sometimes people cheat.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Relationships are complicated.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Complicated. They're a nightmare. We said it earlier.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Our spouses are going on, they're receiving awards, they're directing. Harry Styles.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And you can't say no to Harry.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No. No one can say no to Harry.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I would. I have a Harry Styles story, which you may or may not need to edit this out just because you might be like, you're being mean and stupid.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I support that.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So I got to go to SNL because I was dating somebody who was a director who like, knew somebody, whatever, didn't matter. We went to and they were like, shadow this director. And so we went to the taping and Harry Styles, I think, was the musical guest. But I am so out of it. Like, I didn't. What part of what One Direction was he? One Direction. Okay, So I think it was Harry by himself. Or maybe it was One Direction. I don't know. This is a long time ago. But they were singing that watermelon song where it's just like. They just say like, watermelon over and over and over again. This is what I'm like, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon. And I got the giggles. Cause I was like, there's no way this is a real song. This is so stupid. And so I'm losing my mind, laughing. My partner, horrified, is like kicking me, being like, you're being so inappropriate. I'm like, okay, we're at a comedy show. So just because. Just because the musical guest was where I laughed the most.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's a good. But it was like, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I think I don't know, I think it's. I. It's watermelon sugar.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, okay. Yes. This is starting to seem like something I've heard.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It is popular, but I had never heard it before. And then obviously after that, I had heard it, like, on the radio.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And now it's your favorite song.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, and now it was my wedding song. I danced down the aisle to it. Watermelon, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon. But I was. This is stupid, right? We can't. Come on. There were, like, no lyrics. It was just watermelon.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Women deserve better.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Hey, the sticker said it. First born and raised. Women deserve better.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Watermelon, watermelon, watermelon, watermelon. So did he confront you? Were you confronted by Harry after the show?

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, unfortunately not. Famous enough. Yeah. Doesn't care at all. But send this to him. Clip this. Send this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Harry Styles. Reach out.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, reach out. I have beef with a few musicians.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Who else?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. Ed Sheeran.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, great.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I think that Ed Sheeran should pay me money.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why should he pay you money?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. It's crazy that he's still relevant. Number one.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Still ever.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But also, like, congrats, you know? You know how to do your career. He got on. Yeah, I guess he got on Game of Thrones. Do you know what I mean?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, he was kind of probably, maybe

[Katherine McCafferty]

a low point in his career to be on Game of Thrones for the

[Bridger Weiniger]

show, wouldn't you say?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, sure. I watched.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Suddenly we're watching that. That guy sing.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Was he singing?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm pretty sure he sang.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I don't remember.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Alice, is that true?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, he was singing. He was singing. Was he like a main character?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, he was just like somebody around a fire or something, I think.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, whatever. So he.

[Bridger Weiniger]

He owes you money?

[Katherine McCafferty]

He owes me money because my father passed away. Not the point of the story.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But it was a little bit sudden, but we got to be there when he did it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Yes, when he did it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

When he did it. When he. Bye bye. No, but when it happens, you're sort of, like, caught off guard. Unless it's, like, planned and the person's, like, just so old, I didn't quite know what to do. Everyone's crying. It's the whole thing. It was like the middle of the night, you know, I decided to pull out my phone and I played an Ed Sheeran song. You might ask why. And that is a great question.

[Bridger Weiniger]

To finish him off.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. I was like, we gotta make sure. I'm so sorry. So it was because it had been like this Song was on the radio a few times, and some of my last memories with my dad were riding in the car and this song was playing. But we had no ties to the song, Right. Like, it was just popular at the time. And also a small part of me was like, we should play something.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sure.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You wanna, like, sort of cut the tension? It was a love song, so it was a weird choice. And I thought, well, for sure this will be popular for another year and it will go away forever, right? No. Ed Sheeran keeps making music, and this song keeps being played at every single fucking wedding.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, no.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's like the one where it's like, I'll be. I'll love you until you're 70. Like, that one. And it's like, my dad died so much sooner than 70. And it was like, such. I was, like, trolling my dad in his last breath being like, ha, ha. Not gonna love you when you're 70.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You didn't make it. Gotcha.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. So I just have been terrorized at Sheeran since then.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, you're going to boring people's weddings. It's your fault.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But straight people.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, straight people. You've got to stop going to straight weddings, okay?

[Katherine McCafferty]

More gay people need to get married. Don't take away our rights. Right. Yet. Okay, not yet. I need to go to more of your weddings.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But it is. It's just, like, such a classic song that I think was just popular when we were all becoming young adults. So, like, maybe these people, like, kissed to it once or something. I don't know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And again, to clarify, the song is I'll love you till you're 70. What's the plan after that?

[Katherine McCafferty]

That's not the. I believe that everybody just dies in his mind at 70.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, okay. It's kind of like a Logan's Run situation.

[Katherine McCafferty]

She was trying to be like, when you're so old that you can't. And I was like, people are walking at 70, babe. But he's like, English or something, right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Yeah.

[Katherine McCafferty]

They age poorly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And again. So he's giving up on you when you can't walk. How is this a love piece of.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I don't know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, the Ed Sheeran thing has always. I've been just absolutely baffled by.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It is flabbergasting.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I guess you have to. You need something flabber.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I am flabbergasted.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Flabbergasting. Is. Is that something? It could be. Everybody knows what you're talking about, and it's their fault that they're not choosing to understand You.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. Thank you for that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, I feel like. I guess. Waiting rooms.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. We need music for waiting rooms and for when there's, like, past apps.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Past apps. Oh, interesting. I'm already upset with past apps.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I know, but there's talking over it, right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, that's true.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So I get mad when it's like, a dance or. God forbid. I was a bridesmaid in a wedding. They walked down the aisle to an Ed Sheeran song.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just tell everybody that you don't like music. And we're gonna do it silently.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. What are you doing? Stop. But whatever.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wait, are there any other musician beefs you have?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Mm, I'll think about it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Let's try to alienate you from the entire music industry. I'm sure Ed Sheeran's a perfectly nice guy. That's part of the problem.

[Katherine McCafferty]

He has a bad reputation. I think people came after him because he's a dad and he's always on tour. And I'm like, you guys, that's the patriarchy. Like, I don't know what to tell you. Like, dads are gone.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. Dads are out of there.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Dads are gone. And that's a societal problem. It's not just an Ed Sheeran problem.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, Ed Sheeran. I feel like I have bigger problems with Ed Sheeran other than him being an absentee father.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Absolutely. How about my ears? No. Ed Sheeran, truly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We love you.

[Katherine McCafferty]

We love you. I do think, like, congrats on having a lasting music career.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sure.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And being played at weddings. However, I can never listen to your music because of what I did to myself.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is a you problem.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I will always think of my dad. Just. Ugh. You know, and I think for that I should be compensated or give me, like, free tickets to your concert.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, so now you're creating an issue for yourself.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I know. I don't think I could actually, like, go through the whole concert without crying.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I was just going to say that's just like, a ruined Tuesday night. Sorry.

[Katherine McCafferty]

He's performing on a Tuesday.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I believe it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Maybe.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And again, Ed, we love you and we support your career well.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And here's the thing. Everyone doesn't have to be for everyone. And I think that people are too sensitive. Like, people shit on. I'm a woman online. You don't think people absolutely shit upon me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Women online are totally fine. You're exaggerating. It's a perfectly nice place for the gals.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Absolutely. People are constantly commenting on how I look. I'm not like, I should get a full face transplant. So I'm like, I don't think that my stuff would be for him either.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Interesting. And he's gonna be petty and he's going to probably like your stuff, but then say something bad about it.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I think he should say something bad about it. But I think if you're a real one Ed, you would play one of my clips as your father or mother died a little. Hehe ho, haha. For the end of their life.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's either that or a huge settlement.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Tit for tat. Yeah, exactly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We can choose one. Well, stamps.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Stamps.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is a valuable thing. There are a few things that people should be giving as gifts. Like, because, you know, it's always candle and we've always talked about what a boring thing that is. But you can always use a candle. But you can also always use AAA batteries.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You can always use stamps.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Champs. Kleenex.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Kleenex. We're getting into territory where it's a little. Sure. But it's seasonal almost. I guess that's a good Christmas gift

[Katherine McCafferty]

in like a fun little.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, like a to go thing. Yeah, yeah, that's a good one.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And they have like, little ones like that have packaging with like shoes on them or something.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. The shoe of Kleenex.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You get it showered. Floss. Floss.

[Bridger Weiniger]

There are all these kind of pantry staples.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Well, that's why I always hated when people would get me flowers because certain flowers give me such a terrible headache.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, from allergies, probably.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Just instantly I want to gouge my eyes out and.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, just aesthetically you don't like it?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm like, God damn it. No. I instantly get like a headache based on the smell. And so when you start dating somebody new, sometimes they'll give you flowers, which is a nightmare.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I don't like getting flowers ever.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I just want toilet paper.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Truly, money is spent on flowers. It's something that makes me feel like, oh, I'm not part of humanity. That I don't. It does literally nothing for me. When someone gives me flowers, it dies.

[Katherine McCafferty]

They die.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm just like, oh, I know this costs a decent amount of money that could have been spent on other things I could use.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Absolutely.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And I'm just like, they look nice enough. I don't know, it's just not really for me.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I think you have to be having people over consistently to like, like have fresh cut flowers in it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Katherine McCafferty]

When I go to other people's houses that are adults, they have like decoration. They're like, they understood something about life that I'm not There yet they have, like, gorgeous plants. And they will typically have at least one vase with, like, cut flowers. And I am like, wow, this does look like a p. Like, this is lovely. This looks like a picture.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is like my house. Three months out of a year, I'll buy flowers, and then those same flowers are there for three months.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So for the first week, it seems like I'm in control of my life.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And then you just have something that's, like, decaying before your eyes in old water.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. It's really a tough situation.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Do you like plants?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I love plants. I've gotten really good at taking care of my plants.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Good for you. I haven't gotten there yet.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. I mean, what the trick is is just don't take care of.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Of them. So not at all. But sometimes they need water.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I mean, so rarely. And I also bought a. A moisture thing that you stick into the dirt, and it tells you this

[Katherine McCafferty]

is going to be huge for me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And it's really, like, every two weeks.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Very little water. Because I had killed essentially every plant I owned until now. And I think almost all of mine are still alive outside of the ones that the dog chews up. But.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, fair.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's bad for me.

[Katherine McCafferty]

But that's for the dog.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I buy those ones for the dog.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I want the dog to have a stomachache on occasion.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Sometimes you need to keep them in check.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes, yes. Well, I have all these very useful gifts. I've got a new bumper awaiting me, and then I can send out several threatening letters. And what a wonderful thing. Oh, and I have this sushi that I can do.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You can do something with that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We'll clip that to something in the studio, I imagine. I don't know. It's beautiful. I think we should play a game.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We're going to play a game called Gift or a Curse. I need a number between 1 and 10 from you.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Let's see. 5.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. I have to do some calculating to get our game pieces.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So right now you can promote, recommend, do whatever you want.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'll do that. Okay. Amazing. I guess I'll promote my tour, which I don't know any of the dates or the venues, and I'm an excellent businesswoman. I also have a Patreon. It's pretty gay on Patreon, so hop over there. Subscribe, please. We would love to have you. Those are where the full episodes of my show go, and then clips are online, but we'll be doing live shows on in the Pacific Northwest. And if we sell out Then I get to go other places, too. People are so mad that I'm not, like, going to the east coast, but that's far. Do you know what I mean? Like, I need to sell this one out, and then I get to go there. So the end.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's great. Everybody go support Katherine everywhere.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, support me everywhere. Thank you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Do I have anything to recommend? I started watching the X Files.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, I've never seen it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm having a great time. I've only watched two episodes, and both seem to be somebody has, like, a dermatological condition, some sort of skin rash. I don't know if that's the whole

[Katherine McCafferty]

show, but is this, like, a house situation where, like, people have, like, random illnesses?

[Bridger Weiniger]

First episode, people have little weird things on their skin. Second episode, somebody's covered in rashes. I don't know what's going on. I don't know if that's just kind of.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's sci fi, though, right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. But so far, sci fi also means that you need to see a dermatologist.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I have to imagine that they're going to branch out from that at point. Some maybe, but There are probably 400 episodes, and I'm having a great time.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Did you finally finish Little House on the Prairie?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, we're on pause. Jim's out of town, so we're not watching it, but.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Don't shame me.

[Katherine McCafferty]

How many seasons is Little House on the Prairie?

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's a lot.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And that's when they were doing, like, 25.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think they're like 23 or 24 a season. So you're really committing to something. I'm having a great time, but my boyfriend's living in New York right now, and we watch it together, so it's.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, you can't do that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm not gonna power through.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I got into a fight with my ex when we were together. They finished a show without me when I was out of town. And that's how I knew that, like, they were mad at me. But then I got on a little plane, and somebody died in a little plane that same day. And so then they were back to loving me. That's a true story.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Thank you, people who died on a little plane. You saved the two.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You saved my relationship for a little bit.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, let's play Gift or a Curse? I'm going to name three things you'll tell me if they're a gift or a curse and why.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers. You can fail.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

All right. These are all from our Patreon listeners today. This first one is from Green Greg. Gift or a curse? Virtual try ons.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm not understanding what that. Oh, like when you go to, like, a site and they're like, try it on. Like, try on glasses or whatever.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Gosh, this is tough. But I'm gonna say curse.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Well, first of all, you have to upload a picture of your face. Awful. It's never flattering. I also think that it's keeping people out of stores and thus removed from humanity. And I think that's why we get a lot of problems in our society.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Correct.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Curse. No Virtual try on. One of the biggest scams that the tech industry has tried to force on us. It never works.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No. It's always like, my glasses are like, somehow like this, and I'm like, well, I can't tell if those look good.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. And best case scenario, they don't look like they're on your face. They never. It looks like a cheap little image put over your face.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm having to look at my face in a cheap webcam format. I'm having to allow the browser to use the camera.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Absolutely.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This extra button I'm clicking and they

[Katherine McCafferty]

can get in then to your data. Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I would rather not see. Yeah, of course. That's probably what it's all about, is just getting more of your face.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, it is.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I would rather just not even see the product at all.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, just ship it to me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just ship me a surprise because it'll be better than whatever's put on my face in the virtual try on. Stop wasting our time. That technology will never work.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No. And I don't want it to.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No. I want to go to the store. I think that's a very good point. I love going to the store.

[Katherine McCafferty]

You might meet your best friend at the store.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So many things have happened at the store.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Or you might just have, like, a great story for later, even if it's a bad experience.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Do you know what I mean?

[Katherine McCafferty]

You're going to become a more interesting person to talk to if you have more human interactions.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. Your life will have texture after you go to the store at the mall. Yes, go to the store. Okay. You've gotten one right so far. This next one is from Amy. Gift or a curse? Spending a lot of money on something you like, but, you know, you may not wear a lot.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, you may not wear a lot. That's fine. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why?

[Katherine McCafferty]

That's a gift. Because in that question it did not say, I'm stressed out about money. So in this scenario, I have a lot of money, and then every single time I put that item of clothing on, maybe, or wear that little purse, I feel like, oh, I've invested in myself. I don't have the pressure of using it all the time. And I gave myself, like, a little treat that is around for longer than, like, a nice dinner. I don't know. I think it's. It is a gift.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wrong curse. No, this stresses me out. This is something that does not work for me. This is just something I'm buying. Something that will make me feel guilty. All the. It's like the telltale heart. It's just always beating in the closet, just always thinking, I spent all that money and I'm not using the item. What have I done? I've wasted money and I go in the closet every day and feel guilty.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. I would say you should have a housekeeper gown. Like, I think you need to free yourself of the bounds of, like, reality. And, like, you can wear anything a lot of the time.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why do I need a house gown?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Because I said so. Have you ever put on a gown? Okay. Have you ever put on a gown and then walked about the house?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my true gown.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And then been. Been like, this is my house gown. And then if you live with some, they also get the pleasure of seeing you, like, no makeup, hair a mess, but you're in, like, this gown. And then you're just answering emails. It's very fun. It's very silly. You're giving yourself a gift. You're giving somebody else a gift.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That psychologically is a green flag, I would say absolute green flag. Okay, well, you've gotten one wrong so far. Be very careful with this next one. This is from Sarah.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Gift or a curse? Flossing your teeth at the communal work lunch table.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No. What the fuck? What the How. No. Huh? Is there no bathroom that. No. Get out of here, Sarah. No. We must have standards. No, that is a communal table. There are rules. There are rules to society that. That matter, and then there are rules that don't matter. Not having bits of already eaten food flicked about at a communal table. That's a rule that Matt. I also never want to see a co worker floss. I don't want to see you stick your whole hand in your mouth. What? Also, I know you're not washing your hand. You're sitting at a table. Huh? And then where does the floss go? And then it's just dangling at the table. Am I supposed to be eating around that? No, no, you could do it in your car.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's a sad image.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, it is. But why do you need like an audience for that? Get out of here.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So curse.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Curse.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Correct. Curse. No, I.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Obviously psychopath.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What are we talking about? You can't do that. I don't think you should at work at all. I even think the work bathroom. If you have to floss at work, you should be in the bathroom stall, standing on the toilet. I shouldn't even see your feet. Lock the door, floss your teeth. And that's like a once in a lifetime thing.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, I. I agree.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What are you doing?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Why do you need that? Unless, of course, you are on a 12 hour film set. You're having all of your meals there. Or I mean a construction site I would imagine also is the same way. And then you have to go to the porta Potty, right? It's a single stall. Like, then you can. You can floss, you can cut. You can do your romantic kiss scene.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I don't wanna know. After flossing in a porter.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You've lost. You do nothing else. You're like, I'm ready, baby.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, it's a curse. Yeah, you got two out of three.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, that's pretty good. That's not bad time to. Oh, actually, Alice, do you have a gift or a curse?

[Katherine McCafferty]

I do.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Alice is gonna do one of these and we both have to answer. And then Ellis has the true answer.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay, fun. All right. Gift or a curse? Your second coffee of the day. Well, I'm a psychopath, so to me, that is always a gift. And I don't. But I. And I also give myself the gift of not having to finish it. But I have an espresso maker, so I'm not wasting my money on my second coffee.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. Like, so you're paying for the first one?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Well, no, I'm usually making it at home nowadays. But if I'm going out and about, I will buy a coffee and it's always consistently a gift. But I would say if I finish a second coffee, it might be a curse for the people around me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I will say gift too. The second cup of coffee of the day for me is the one that works. The first one is just like truly to.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Do you drink coffee just like coffee or espresso?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Cold brew.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Cold brew. Okay. I used to be a cold brew person, but it destroyed my guts.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, interesting. I have that to look forward to.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. But I really tried. I tried really hard. I worked At a coffee shop, I was drinking 64 ounces of cold brew every single day.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wow. I used to do a huge amount every morning, starting at 6:00am yes.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And I would say people would be like, aren't you cracked out? No, no, I'm not. I'm probably not medicated for other things.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Exactly.

[Katherine McCafferty]

And I don't. I have too many things. I'm celiac now. I'm gonna be adhd. Absolutely not. But I usually drink four shots of espresso in the morning. So my second cup of coffee, or my second coffee will be another double shot. And I just simply don't need six shots of espresso. But it's always a gift. It's always a gift to have one.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, I think it's a gift. And I will. Now that I. I'll have a second cold brew of the day. I don't have to finish it. I'll put it in the fridge for

[Katherine McCafferty]

another time and I will. I also come back. Even if it's like a iced cappuccino or something. I put it, I scoop the ice out, I put it in the fridge, I drink it tomorrow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Absolutely.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Okay. Ellis, Were we right? So I have a pretty sensitive system.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We're headed in a bad direction here.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I'm pretty sensitive to caffeine. But here, here's my thinking, is that it still is a gift for me because it's kind of like a little check in on my nervous system. It's like, oh, sure, I'm on a lot of medication, so I don't get really the opportunity to do a lot of fun drugs. So it's kind of like, all right, what is this afternoon gonna look like? Am I gonna be really productive or am I gonna have a complete crash out at PM and start crying? You know, so it's just kinda like a little excitement for my day of like, what? Like a little like caffeine roulette. Like, what is it gonna be like today? You know, I don't think that's a gift.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And look at us. We all have kind of different logic. And we've all come together on this as a gift. Yeah, I think that that's really nice.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I do too.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What a beautiful way to play the game. I think we should answer a listener question. People are writing in to isaidnowgiftsmail.com are we.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Can we address the cigarette? Was this a gift?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I begged you not to address the cigarette, Catherine.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I said I wanted to dig myself into a hole.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I begged you. No, the cigarette.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Because it's smoked.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That was when we did our.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Oh, it smells interesting.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Fifth anniversary special. I was smoking. And I guess that's a leftover cigarette from that. It's an herbal cigarette.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. It smells nice.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And that's right, Ellis. That's what it's from.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. And I just decided to leave it on the table. It became a part of the set. I like it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's one of the rare things on the set that's not a gift. I think almost everything else here was given, but, you know, it just gives a little bit of a. I think it just makes every guest wonder, wait, is someone going to start smoking in my face?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, I would love that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And that's a good energy to have on a podcast.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I wouldn't say nothing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I wouldn't either. If the host started smoking, I'd just be like, okay, I'm trapped in a small room inhaling all of their stuff.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, absolutely. I'm committed.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. All right, let's answer a listener question. This says, hi, I am writing to you, Bridger and guest, because my mother's birthday is fast approaching and I have no idea what to get her. She's so hard to buy for because she is a shopaholic and whenever she wants something for herself, she buys it. I would love to get her an experience or something other than a tangible object.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She loves the outdoors but isn't athletic. She enjoys binging everything on Netflix and working overtime at her full time accountant job. Please help. And that's from Hannah.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Hmm. I wonder if she likes play. Oh, and I also wonder if she likes her daughter because, I mean, like,

[Bridger Weiniger]

I know she doesn't like this kid.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Listen her to this podcast.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Okay. All right. That's tough because I was gonna say for my mother, who is also sometimes hard to buy for because she doesn't like tangible objects. She loves an experience and she loves going to the theater and she likes, like, carved out time that I've put aside for.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So it's like, outside of touring, Mom, I have the night off of my tour.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, she's like, so that wasn't a visit. That was just you doing work in town.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You asked me to come to your show.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, exactly. But yeah, I would say, like, if she's in a city that has, like, theater or something, but not if it's

[Bridger Weiniger]

gonna be bad, because that's torture.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah, that's unfair, actually. Torture.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. That's one of the worst things you can do to another person.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I know your friend is talented, Hannah, but don't do that. To your mom, but something like that. Or like, if there's jazz nights at, like, a local restaurant, you could be like, I want to take you to

[Bridger Weiniger]

go listen to jazz Rock concert.

[Katherine McCafferty]

A rock concert. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Monster truck rally. Live theater is what we're talking about here.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Live theater, Lucha libre.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I went to lucha libre next.

[Katherine McCafferty]

So did I.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Time of my life.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. I went twice when we were there.

[Bridger Weiniger]

The thing about it, the power, like, being encouraged to boo is the best feeling in the world.

[Katherine McCafferty]

It's so fun.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I love. I'm hooked on booing people.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I might start doing it places at bands. I do like, do it here. Yeah. I'm gonna start booing comedians.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Guest sits down. Boo. Yeah. See what they do.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No. I loved. That was one of the highlights of going to Mexico City for me.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. Same.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just loudly yelling at strangers.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes. It's so fun. Or going against the boo and being like, no, I'm rooting for him.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, yeah. With the villains. Getting on the side of the villains feels great. Oh, take your mom to that. Find some level of pro wrestling and take mom to pro wrestling.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah. It is really fun.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. I think that that's a perfect answer. I can't imagine getting your mom anything better.

[Katherine McCafferty]

No, I'm gonna do it right now. I'm getting my mom.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You're on your way to Chicago. Yeah.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Getting our lucha libre tickets in Mexico City. You got to get there yourself. Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I can't do everything.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We answered the question perfectly.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've got all kinds of gifts.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've had such a lovely time with you.

[Katherine McCafferty]

I've had a great time.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Thank you for being here.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Listener. The podcast is over. It's time. Time to slowly move into your day. Everything is going to hell for you now. Everything is gonna. You're going off a cliff.

[Katherine McCafferty]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is gonna be the worst day of your life. I love you. Goodbye. I said no Gifts is an exactly right production. Our senior producer is Ellis Nelson, and our episodes are beautiful, Beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday. The theme song is by miracle worker Amy Mann. And we couldn't do it without our booker, Patrick Cotner. You must follow the show on Instagram at I saidnogifts. That's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts?

[Katherine McCafferty]

Thought I made myself perfectly clear. Clear. When you're a guest in my home, you got to come to me empty handed. I said no guest. Your presence is presence enough. And I already had too much stuff, so how do you dare disobey me?

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