Patty Guggenheim Disobeys Bridger

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: I Said No Gifts!
Host: Bridger Winegar
Guest: Patty Guggenheim
Episode: Patty Guggenheim Disobeys Bridger
Date: May 7, 2026

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Overview

This episode of I Said No Gifts! features comedian and actress Patty Guggenheim, known for her improvisational prowess and affable energy. Bridger and Patty dive into travel mishaps, Comic Con absurdities, reality TV obsessions (notably “The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives”), wellness tech, Twin Peaks, and the emotional journey of hair extensions—all wrapped up in their signature playful banter. As always, despite the titular mandate, Patty arrives with a highly personalized, homemade gift, leading to hilarious and heartfelt gift-related chit-chat.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Travel Woes & Commitment to Showing Up

• Patty’s Misadventure Getting to LA:
  • Patty recounts her flight delay due to Houston weather, resulting in a surprise overnight stay. She reflects on commitment, sharing her aversion to flaking on plans and the Los Angeles “yes, but I’ll cancel” culture.
    • "I was so burned early on in LA years where I was like, people say they're going to do things and then they just don't do them. And so now...if I say I'm going to do it—I'm going to do it." (05:18, Patty)
• Bridger’s Pet Peeves:
  • “Canceling on occasion and not responding to an email—these are two things that rarely happen, but when that happens to me, I'm like, who are your parents?”* (06:06, Bridger)

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2. Comic Con: The Surreal, the Bizarre, and Dog the Bounty Hunter

• A “Lynchian” Atmosphere:
  • Patty describes the neon-lit, uncannily orchestrated landscape of Comic Cons, where celebrities from all genres are shuffled around like clockwork.
• Meeting Dog the Bounty Hunter:
  • Dog angles for a role on Patty’s show (“Twisted Metal”), gives her his email, and lingers next to her massage table—prompting Patty to describe a surreal mutual sighting.
    • "I feel an energy of like leather and a holster and like some blonde hair...I look, and he was right there and I was like, oh god, Dog's here." (12:02, Patty)
    • On Dog as a guest: “He did say he won’t die on camera.” (13:04, Patty)

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3. Health, Wellness, and Tech Anxiety

• Oura Rings and Wellness Circles:
  • Patty details her experience with sleep/stress-tracking smart rings, lamenting that connecting with friends about health data just adds to her anxiety.
    • "It's stressing me out so bad...now people can see, and they're like, 'are you okay?'” (20:10, Patty)
  • Bridger: “Just another job I have to do.” (21:48, Bridger)

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4. Disneyland, Nostalgia, and Theme Park Analysis

• Favorite Rides, trivia, and “Sand Dune Girls”:
  • The pair reminisce about trips to Disneyland with their friend Taryn, favorite rides (Space Mountain, Pirates, Tower of Terror), and Tiki Room’s hidden messes.
    • "If that were real, the Tiki Room would be a disaster. It would be a big mess." (24:29, Patty)
  • Knott’s Scary Farm and “Berry Blaster” ride are discussed, leading to speculation on theme park design and local SoCal amusements.

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5. Deep Dive: The Gift – A Custom “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” Candle

• The Reveal:
  • Patty gifts Bridger a prayer candle covered in photos of cast members from “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” and unrelated Bachelorette rejects; she crafted it in the car on the way over.
  • Bridger gleefully exclaims: “How did you create this? Wait, did you make this?” (33:39, Bridger)
  • Patty: “I did, in the car on my way here.” (33:46, Patty)
• Discussion:
  • The show’s cast evolution, reality TV binge-watching, and the madness of Hulu season drops.
    • “Release them one week at a time. It’s a dump, and then a week later, another dump...You could have ten weeks of people watching this thing!” (38:08, Bridger)

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6. Reality TV Analysis: “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives”

• Best and Worst Cast & Social Archetypes:
  • Both agree Macy is the most put-together, Miranda the most “normal” (“sand dune girl” & “parking lot women” archetype).
  • Patty is candid about show obsessions, noting the blurry world of social media “reality” versus show reality.
    • “This is a particularly blurry world because there’s the reality show, but then their social media presence never ends.” (55:37, Bridger)
• Face/Wig Blindness:
  • Bridger admits: “I have diagnosed myself with wig blindness. I can never tell if someone’s wearing a wig.” (49:31, Bridger)

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7. Hair Extensions: The Personal and the Practical

• Patty’s Hair Journey:
  • She shares her experience using extensions during a medical battle with ulcerative colitis, debunking the stigma around fake hair.
    • “I had ulcerative colitis…so I had to get extensions, and it was hard, but I just wanted to have them. There are great uses for wigs and extensions!” (59:21, Patty)
  • Practicalities: glued vs. clip-ins, maintenance, and hair regrowth “meditations.”
    • “They hurt…you can’t really brush through your whole hair, they start to get weird after like, six weeks.” (60:34, Patty)

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8. Ketamine-Assisted Therapy & Dream Work

• Patty’s Therapies:
  • Patty describes undergoing ketamine IV sessions (“like blasting off into a few lifetimes”; 41:17), dream therapy, and lucid dreaming.
    • “You go in, it's dark and quiet, headphones...it just takes you to places, to memories, to space.” (42:09, Patty)
  • “I would love to lucid dream…I’ve looked into it but don’t have the discipline to do any of the things you’re supposed to do for it.” (44:04, Bridger)

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9. Game: Gift or a Curse

• Public Restroom Communal Sink:

  • Patty: “Curse.”
  • Bridger: “Gift—it’s the modern watering hole, doubles the accountability.” (70:02 onwards)

• Cashier Nods Approval/Disapproval:

  • Patty: “Gift, it feels validating.”
  • Bridger: “Curse. I don’t need the cashier to approve my grocery haul.” (72:06 onwards)

• Airbnb with No Mirrors:

  • Both agree: “Curse.”
    • “I’d be so unsettled. It feels like an experiment I didn’t sign up for.” (74:01, Patty)

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10. Listener Question: Hair in the Sourdough

• Debate on How To Respond:
  • A listener finds a baked-in hair from a busy, small-business-owning sister-in-law.
  • Both guests are sympathetic to the overwhelmed baker, recommend not overreacting unless it’s a recurring issue.
    • “Let her have one hair mistake. Demand your money back, but give her a break. Buy another loaf. If there’s another hair, then we chat.” (79:19, Patty)

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11. TV & Life Recommendations

• Balancing Reality Trash with Taste:
  • Bridger recommends “Marjo” (doc) and “The False Prophet” (Netflix, cult docu-series).
  • Patty is deep into Twin Peaks (“second season for the first time; weird and funny”). (57:51)
• Palm Springs Faves:
  • Both discuss hotels (Sparrow’s Lodge, The Parker), climate preferences (dry vs. humid), and favorite vacation vibes.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On LA Commitment:
  • “If I say I'm Gumby, I'm gonna be. I'm gonna do it.” (05:28, Patty)
• On Dog the Bounty Hunter at Comic-Con:
  • “He was right there and I was like, oh God, Dog’s here.” (12:12, Patty)
• On Gifts:
  • “When I invited you here, I thought I made myself perfectly clear…how do you dare disobey me?” (02:15, Theme)
• On Reality TV Obsession:
  • “Each episode feels like 40 hours long.” (38:41, Bridger)
• On Ketamine Therapy:
  • “It feels like blasting off into a few lifetimes.” (41:23, Patty)
• On Airbnb with No Mirrors:
  • “It’s like an experiment I didn’t sign up for.” (74:32, Patty)
• On Supporting Small Businesses:
  • “She’s burning the candle…This woman hasn’t gotten a minute of sleep, her hair is probably falling out because she’s so tired—give her a rest.” (80:10, Bridger)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Patty’s Travel & Showing Up: 04:33 – 06:10
• Comic Con Dog the Bounty Hunter Story: 08:42 – 13:54
• Theme Park Nostalgia / Knott’s Discussion: 23:43 – 28:13
• Presentation & Discussion of the Gift (Candle): 33:04 – 39:01
• Ketamine Therapy and Dream Talk: 41:13 – 45:15
• Wig/Face Blindness & Reality TV: 49:24 – 55:43
• Hair Extensions Journey: 58:59 – 61:15
• Game: Gift or a Curse: 69:39 – 75:29
• Listener Email (Hair in Bread): 75:56 – 81:13

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Tone & Style

• Warm, irreverent banter mixed with sincere asides.
• Light, playful, but occasionally dives into real-life vulnerability and self-aware reflection.
• Willingness to treat “silly” subjects (reality TV, hair, wellness) with both humor and genuine insight.

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In Summary

This episode is a cozy, unpredictable ride through the minutiae of pop culture, everyday anxieties, and the rituals of friendship and fandom. Whether exploring the strangeness of Comic Con, dissecting the micro-dramas of reality TV, or sharing a homemade, fan-art candle, Bridger and Patty embody the mischievous, sweet-spirited ethos of the show—proving that gifts (and a little oversharing) are always welcome, even when forbidden.

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Transcript

[Patty Guggenheim]

This is exactly right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

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[No Gifts Host (possibly Bridger's character or a persona)]

When I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you gotta come to me empty handed. I sat. No. Guess your presence is presence enough. And I already had too much stuff, so how do you dare disobey me?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Welcome to I said no gifts. I'm Bridger Weiniger. We're here. We're doing our thing. I have successfully checked into my Southwest Airlines flight. This time tomorrow, I'll be on a plane enjoying nothing. Seems like Southwest has managed to make itself worse. I went through the new process today. I've been you know, I've been saying not good things but fine things about this company for a very long time. I've been telling everyone it's fine that you have to rush onto the plane and fight for a seat. Now I don't get to fight for a seat. That was the thrill for me. Now I'm in a middle seat. But I will be stopping in Denver, of course, on my cross country flight, my nine hour trip to New York. And that's fine. That's how I like it. I like a little stop. And is there anything else happening? Gorgeous weekend had mildly pleasant experiences with two deeply unpleasant people. So I'm counting that as a win. And I think that brings us to today. Reminder, we have patreon. Patreon.com. i saidnogifts. I mean the whole thing, it's just, I mean it's just a library of magic and delight. So get over there. And I think that's it. I love today's guest. I absolutely love her. It's Patty Guggenheim. Patty, welcome. Welcome to. I said no gifts.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Hi. Thank you. I love you. I'm in love. Is this a weird time to tell you that?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No. I was hoping you would say this.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm in love with you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, just repeat it throughout the episode. You've had a morning.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh yes, I have.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I want to hear about this experience.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, it's fun that you started with flights.

[Bridger Weiniger]

There's a lot of flying going on.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I flew this morning even.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What time did you get on the flight?

[Patty Guggenheim]

At 6. 5:55 and we left at 6. It was supposed to be a last night flight.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

There was weather in Houston and so that brought me to one extra gifted night in Houston. And so then an early morning and here I am.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I mean, why didn't you cancel? This is unbelievable. You didn't cancel.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You know what? I was thinking about that on the way. I was like, why? No, because I don't. Cause I wanted to be here so bad.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's very sweet. You do love me. You are in love with me.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And I also don't like to flip. I think I was so burned early on in LA years where I was like, people say they're going to do things and then they just don't do them. And so now I'm like, if I'm say I'm going to be. If I'm say I'm Gumby, I'm going to be. I'm going to do it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I have to. I love to hear that. I'm in. I'm in a Similar boat where I just am like, I can't be part of this prevailing culture of just like literally saying yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Exactly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Knowing when I say yes, I'm going to cancel. I can't do that.

[Patty Guggenheim]

No, I can't.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What are you doing?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't. Well, what are we even doing?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just tell me no.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Just be honest and tell me no or yes and make it happen. You know?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. Canceling. Two things I really can't abide are canceling on occasion and not responding to an email. These are two things that rarely happen. Well, not responding to an email is such a rare thing, but when that happens to me, I'm like this person who. Are your parents?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Who raised you?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, what better do you have to do? Honestly? Like, I don't know. There's really not an excuse. You have your phone with you at all times. Morning, noon, night. There's no excuse. Except that you don't respect me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. You don't respect me. I will always give like a two day, a threshold where I'll think, well, maybe they're just healthy. Maybe they have a healthy connection to their device and then it immediately flips to, they're the worst person in the world.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes. Maybe they're in Joshua Tree having a health silence retreat. But then do you ever send like a nudge, like a. Ooh, those are kind of like, I can't bring myself to do it either.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's such a. It's like a once in a 10 year thing that I do that it has to be such an important thing and I have to basically have a relationship with the person where I'm like, think that this was an oversight.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think I understand you enough to know you need this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. Otherwise take care of you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I mean, otherwise I'm like working towards getting that person in prison, like, finding ways. How do we ruin them forever?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. So what do I have for blackmail?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes, exactly. What were you doing in Houston?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, this is where it gets really awkward. I was doing a Comic Con, which is such a. Have you ever been to one or been in. Okay, there. It's such a world. You're, like, transported to a weird, like a Lynchian type, but neon lights. Nothing about it is, like, curated aesthetically. Everything is like, get into this convention center. It's neon lights.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, right, right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

But, um, I do, like, I've only done, I don't know, four and I've done them like once a year, and that's my absolute limit. But it's, it's, it's, it's you just. I like to put myself in really, like, awkward situations or interest where I know I'm gonna take some stories away.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Something will happen.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, something's gonna happen.

[Bridger Weiniger]

A new texture in your life for at least a moment.

[Patty Guggenheim]

A new paint with a different color for a weekend. And wow. So fascinating.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What is the experience? You show up and then you just, like, sit at a table. What's happening? I don't. Because I've never been in one, so it's hard for me to even.

[Patty Guggenheim]

They have these things down to a science where they're shuffling you around. So you're at a table, you're doing signings and things, pictures or whatever, like Funko Pops and things. And then they have you go to photo ops and everything's, like, scheduled and people with headsets and, like, walkies and, like, everything's. And you're just getting shuffled. And then there's a green room where everyone hangs out

[Bridger Weiniger]

and you're hanging out there.

[Patty Guggenheim]

During which period when you're taking breaks, which is like, you need a lot of breaks because it's so much energy.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And is the break like they set them into the schedule, or do you just say, I have to have a break?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Both. I mean, you get some set. Set breaks, and then you be like, I need break.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Have you had any particularly weird experiences there?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Nothing. But I'm not kidding. Oh, my God. I'm not kidding.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Like, what?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, I mean, yesterday I was at a table, so I did it with my castmate, which is like, why it makes it worth it. Because you're there with somebody, you know for sure, and you love someone who

[Bridger Weiniger]

can acknowledge the reality of that experience.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So you can look over at each other and be like, you know, there's just so much. So I went with a castmate, and we were at this table, and all of a sudden, Dog the Bounty Hunter was there already off the charts.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. This is the thing where, like, it just starts to break for me, where I'm like, what does he have to do with Comic Con?

[Patty Guggenheim]

This is everything.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Was he there as a fan?

[Patty Guggenheim]

No, he was there as a dog. I was like, we need one doll. I don't know. I don't know. But he was there, and it was just one of the most bizarre interactions. And he basically was just like, you could get. The show we were on is Twisted Metal and it's coming back for a third season. And he was basically like, you know, I think they need a dog on that show. And he was like. He gave me his info to give

[Bridger Weiniger]

to the producers using you to get cast on the show.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes. And it just got weirder and weirder and amazing. And it was just amazing. And he gave me his email so I can get in contact with him. But then later in the day they have like a massage table for people.

[Bridger Weiniger]

For fans. To massage the.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. To get your hands on your favorite peeps. No, for like in the green room when you need a break.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. And now I'm sorry that I've given that idea to Colicon, but continue.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's gonna be a new. Oh no, we can't do that. But I was getting massaged for a moment, just a little like, you know, whatever, basic. But I like opened my eyes for a second and Dog was literally two feet away from me. Did you smell it? I was just like, I feel an energy of like leather and a holster and like some blonde hair and glasses. I could just feel something. And I like, look. And he was right there and I was like, oh, God, dogs here. And then he was just there for the remainder of my massage.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So relaxing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Never been more relaxed. And then I just looked at it. I was like, hi, Dog. And he was like, wow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wow what?

[Bowen Yang]

Wow,

[Patty Guggenheim]

this is. I mean this is like two minutes of the weekend where. And that's one thing. And then that, I mean, just compound that for.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right, he's still alive. How old is this guy? I remember like his show was popular in like 2006 or something.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Uh huh.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And I remember him looking like a beat up Hulk Hogan.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Then you know, I'll show you. I'll show you a pic. And he's doing great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And does he still have a show, do we think? Or is he just.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't know, I don't know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Hunting bounties.

[Patty Guggenheim]

He did say he won't die on camera.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's the one thing he won't do. Yes. That's not up to you, Dog.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Dog, if you want to get cast, you're gonna have to be open for what they write for you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

He won't die on. Wait, he. Did he tell you that or.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How did you get to that?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't know. He just offered it. He did say he can bark. Like he does a good bark and then he won't d. I'm starting to

[Bridger Weiniger]

realize I don't know that much about what Dog the bounty hunter is. Does he have a perm?

[Patty Guggenheim]

He has a blonde stick. Straight like bleach blonde. But it is Hulk Hogany, right? It's in that. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. And he's gotta be like 65 at this point. Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I would pump it up. Yeah. I think he's 70. I don't know. I don't know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And did you see if he was like, again, I'm sorry that I'm now turning you into the expert about him. Was he, like, at a booth?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think so, yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, I mean, I guess.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't know. This is what. It was an interesting one. It was like a lot of different. Lots of different kind of stuff going on. Like, you got Patrick Warburton, who's lovely. And then you got the dog, and then you got. I don't know, it was just a very interesting experience all around. And then Superman. Like, there are a few Supermans there. And. And yeah, I just came straight from there, so I'm a little shook, so I apologize.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wow. And you had quiche, you said before

[Patty Guggenheim]

the episode, quiche for breakfast. Yeah, yeah. Delta's finest.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I didn't know they were serving quiche at this point. I guess that kind of makes sense as an airplane food. You can microwave it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. And it has a bacon and, like, it's kind of scary, but I went for it. And, yeah, like a jelly. There was kind of like a sweetness to it that I was like, oh, I know. I don't love that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sweet egg dish.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Sweet egg bacon dish. So I don't know what's gonna happen

[Bridger Weiniger]

to you in the next six hours.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't know. We'll see how. We'll check in after to see what's going on.

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[Bridger Weiniger]

what else has been going on in your

[Patty Guggenheim]

life outside of Comic Con that some travel. I'm working on a fun show, the Lincoln Lawyer.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, that's exciting.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's really fun.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Are you traveling? Where are you traveling?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Traveled to Hawaii.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I was in Hawaii in January.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You were? Where'd you go?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I went to Kauai.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I was there too. In January.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh my God.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Were you up by Hanalei Bay?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, me too. Wow. I wonder if we were there at the same time.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I bet we were. Well, I was early. Early.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Jan.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think we were January 14th.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So maybe we missed it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I warmed it up.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We took a big gamble because, you know, it rained so much during that time. Yeah, and it didn't. It barely rained at all.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Except for the one time we went on a dangerous hike and it rained the entire time.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Was it that cliff one where you're, like, on.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, we were supposed to get up to a waterfall, but we didn't quite get there. But my shoes fell apart. No, but it was lovely.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And then we got to ride a tube down a river thing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Ooh, that's fun.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Terrific experience.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's so fun.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Had you been to Hawaii before?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes, we went last year to the same place.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, so now you're hooked.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm hooked. Kauai is.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, it's so beautiful. I mean, shocker.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's so beautiful, right? It's so lush and the food's great. Everything's great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's lovely.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I felt like my body immediately relaxed.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I'm not capable of that.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, no, that's just.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's not in my future. Just a constant tension.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I know. Me too. That's why I have to go those places.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I think it's gonna lead to some later life problems, but.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Do you have an aura ring or anything?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No. What's that?

[Patty Guggenheim]

It keeps track of your.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, the ring. No, I don't. Do you?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I do.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And do you feel like it's actually.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's stressing me out. It stresses me out so bad.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just constantly thinking about how to impress the ring.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I know. And now I'm in circles with people and so people can see, and they're like. They're texting, like, are you okay?

[Bridger Weiniger]

So this is just kind of a thing like a wellness check?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. Yeah. It's now become a wellness.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So it's kind of a social media thing, kind of connecting to each other and, like, finding out about your friends and family's health.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's not just about my own personal sleep anymore. It's about.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And is it mostly about sleep?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I like to track the sleep and then your stress. It tracks your stress levels and your heartbeat, your resting beats per minute.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Has it changed any of your behavior?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm more mad. I'm more furious that I'm not. Don't know how to maneuver the sleep.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Do you have a hard time sleeping?

[Patty Guggenheim]

No, I think it's that just the going on the go. It's hard to sleep when you're on the.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Goes to get, like, regular hours in.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. And then when you're shooting a show, you know, call times at 5 and you. It's just, like, going on. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, maybe you'll get there at some point.

[No Gifts Host (possibly Bridger's character or a persona)]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just throw the ring out.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, I think I'll throw out the ring.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How does it track your sleep? Just because you're so. It just knows you're lying still.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. It knows your heartbeat. So, like, when it gets to a certain point, it can tell when you're, like, in the zones, right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, that would just stress me out. That just is, like, a new job that I have to take care of.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's a little weird. I'm getting used to it. But do you do anything to, like, try to.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Occasionally, when I'm at absolute anxiety, I'll do a couple heavy breaths.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But it's more just to let the people know around me I have a problem.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Loud sighs to let someone know you're annoyed.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, I'm finding peace through sighs and, like, passive aggressive noises that kind of.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You know, every four years, I'll try meditating. Doesn't stick. And then I go on kind of just rapidly aging myself through stress.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, you look great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, God bless. Well, when I'm in love with you. You are in love with me.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm in love with you. So maybe I have little love goggles.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. You can't see the real me.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You look great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We look great.

[Patty Guggenheim]

We look great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

The last time I saw you, we were in Disneyland and having the time of our lives with our friend Taryn. Have you been back to Disneyland since?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I have. One more time.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And how was that experience without me?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I missed you. I missed you. I feel like we had fun giggling.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, it was a good time with Taryn. I mean, going with him is going with him. It's like he's just such a joyous person to be around, and he knows how to be there.

[Patty Guggenheim]

He plans the whole experience for you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's incredible.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So you just. And he fills you in on all you learn about Lily Disney. You learn about.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I didn't learn about Lily Disney. I don't think so.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, she loved dragonflies.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Who is she?

[Patty Guggenheim]

She's Walt's white.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wow. I'm shocked. I didn't know that.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And he loved her.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, good to know.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And really decorated with her in mind.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, interesting.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You know, the Club 33 and, like, the little places. He really, like, wanted her to feel special.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Now, this is where Taryn dropped the ball with me.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, we have a bone to pick with Taryn.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes, yes. Maybe he just knows that my experience with women, you know, not crazy about them. I don't need to hear about that.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm save that fact for when I have just the ladies hair.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Do you have a favorite ride at Disneyland?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I love Space Mountain and pirates.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, sure, sure, sure.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Classic. And I just love their melted faces. I just love it. It's so. And we did the Tiki Room, which

[Bridger Weiniger]

I haven't done that in a long time.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And that was very nostalgic.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How was that experience as an adult? Because it's just birds singing at you.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's birds singing over your head and you're kind of just thinking about, like, if that were real, they would just be shitting on you the whole time. Because they're like. They're singing and then for quite a while, you're like, they're gonna be shitting on you. But it was cute.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sure.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, it was really cute.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've never thought about. The Tiki Room would be a mess. It would be a disaster.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It would be a big.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It would be the home of a scary person.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Somebody who's like, gotta get it together.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Put out.

[Patty Guggenheim]

My birds come in. They sing. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And is it like an hour long experience? I don't remember that much about it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It was lengthy. It was maybe 30 minutes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Fascinating. Yeah, right?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. What's your favorite?

[Bridger Weiniger]

It used to be Tower of Terror. And then they've kind of lost me.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Guardians.

[Bridger Weiniger]

They turned it into a comic book thing. And I just loved the spookiness of it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You like spooky things?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I love spooky things. Especially haunted.

[Patty Guggenheim]

We gotta get you to a Comic Con.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I bet that's very spooky.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, honey, yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I like a spooky period piece.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Something in a haunted house or a haunted hotel. Something that feels kind of dusty.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Do you like Not Scary Farm? Have you done that?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've never been to Knott's Scary Farm. And now that we're saying that, is that supposed to be a pun of, like, it's not scary?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Or was that just a mistake on Knott's Berry Farm or, you know, because

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't think they want it to sound.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Knott's feels like it's working against the general idea.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You're right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Which listener, if you're not aware of Knott's Scary Farm, it's when Knott's Berry Farm becomes a haunted house.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes. It goes from Knott's Berry Farm. Have you been to Knott's Berry Farm.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, I've been to the restaurant.

[Patty Guggenheim]

There's a horrible ride there. Which. And I'm not a negative. It was just so. It was a ride called the Berry Blaster.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And you sit in a car and there's like a. You get a gun that's a berry. And you have a thing where you're shooting berries. And the whole goal is to kill as many bears as you can.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I know. You're just shooting bears dead with berries. And it's for children. You're trying to kill these bears. I don't know. I'm like, this is the Berry Blaster.

[Bridger Weiniger]

The Berry Blaster, yeah. And you were. I feel like you should be sitting in, like, a raspberry. That would be cool.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think it was.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, okay. Well, then I'm on board.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm totally on board.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's the best raspberry.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sitting in the middle of a raspberry. Shooting bears to death.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Fascinating.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I know. They're all like, at a family picnic and having fun, and then you're like, eh, Trying to get them. I know, it's very strange.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I guess I just don't know that much about the entire experience.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's hard for me to.

[Patty Guggenheim]

They really tried to make the IP like the berries.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wasn't Snoopy involved at some point?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes, there's Snoopy stuff.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think Snoopy, Woodstock. There's some.

[Bridger Weiniger]

They should lean into that. That's the only character anyone recognizes from that thing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Other than just generic bear.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Or Barry.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Barry the bear and his family that's being murdered.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Higher dictionary.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. The child assassin.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wow. But I have not been to N Scary Farm. Okay. But is it scary?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, it's scary.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. They do a good job because they have, like, local teens chasing you or whatever.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. They can come up to you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've been to Universal Horror Nights, which was too much concrete for me. I'll say. Just walking on concrete and waiting in line.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And then again, like, lines. No, I'm not with a haunted house experience. I just want to go into the thing and then it's over. I don't want to walk out and then have to see another line that I go get to go through another one scary part.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's.

[Bridger Weiniger]

For me, it's just like. And it's like 11:30 at night. I'm exhausted.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

In a. Basically. And a shutdown theme park should just be scary on its own. And they kind of have gotten rid of. They should do that element of it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

The rides Are haunted.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right

[Bridger Weiniger]

in the wrong career plan.

[Patty Guggenheim]

A lot of notes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I should be designing for a lot of people.

[Patty Guggenheim]

We should be imagineers.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's not too late. Yeah, well, I'll say something.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Say it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Too late.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Say it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's too late. Because I don't even know. Too late for you to apologize. I'll say I was excited for you to be here on the podcast. Thought Patty will come by, we'll have an incredible time, and then we'll go our separate ways.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh.

[Bridger Weiniger]

With fond memories. So I was a little surprised when you walked into the studio holding a gift. The podcast is called I said no gifts.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And I. Okay. This is awkward.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I can tell.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm really sorry.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. That's all I was looking for.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm really sorry.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Just one. And I mean that authentic apology.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I did bring something.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Should we open it here on the podcast?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't know. I think yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

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[Patty Guggenheim]

in my fluster last night, trying to get on the flight.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I was like, I have to be at a podcast tomorrow. And I was telling Kyle, my boyfriend. I was like, I have the podcast tomorrow. And he's like, which podcast? I was like, please don't bring me a present. Just. I said, it's. It's no gifts, no presents. Just don't bring me a present. I couldn't remember the exact name and I was so flustered. But I did. I did bring you a present and a gift.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, this beautiful green bag. If listener, if you're not watching the episode, the amount of beautiful green going on.

[No Gifts Host (possibly Bridger's character or a persona)]

Yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Lush green. I feel like we're in Kauai.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is a lush episode.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It is lush.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is ultimately lush.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Plants, pants, curtains, shirts, bags.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, I'm gonna reach in.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You might have this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. And I'm sorry, now, the bag says Pygmy Hippo, but.

[Patty Guggenheim]

But that's not.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It was a bag.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That was a bag I had at home.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm curious what Pygmy Hippo is.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's actually a fantastic little gift store.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, that's good to know.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's on Beverly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's great reaching in, finding more tissue.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay, that's not the gift.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, here we go.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And you might have this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How would I have it? Oh, my God. Wait, did you make this?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I did in the car on my way here.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Listener. This is. Okay, so it's a candle, but Patty has covered it in photos of the cast. Of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's right. As well as all the men.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wait, who are these guys?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Those are the men from the Bachelorette that didn't air because they need their time in the sun.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, I was going to say it's just, like, generic looking men, which is the Bachelorette. Wow. How did you create this?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, I found these pictures, and if you'll notice, it's all of the castmates. Well, the female castmates, season one, two, three, four.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So you can see how they've changed throughout the seasons.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. Their extensions have changed.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes. They've been to J's hair salon.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've been there, by the way.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You have?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, yeah, I've been there. And Jesse was holding a yard sale.

[Patty Guggenheim]

For hair?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, for her crap. Just stuff she obviously had in her closet.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You're kidding. Did you buy something?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No. This is how. My cheapness is insane.

[Patty Guggenheim]

This is why you need all these gifts. You don't want to buy anything.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She had a Tupperware full of used iPhone cases. Why didn't I buy one of those?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay, well, maybe because it wouldn't have.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, yeah, but as a keepsake, have it, frame it, and one of my grand nieces could have it or something.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Of course,

[Bridger Weiniger]

my mental illness has just gone too far.

[Patty Guggenheim]

No, you're perfect.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This was really an issue.

[Patty Guggenheim]

No, you're perfect.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But she was selling, like, used athleisure, old cell phone cases.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, my God.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This was in her place of business, which I loved and I support.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So she had a corner that was just like, on your way in or out or while you're waiting for the foils to do their thing, you go over and peruse her junk.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. Take a look at my junk.

[Patty Guggenheim]

When you Jiz is junk. Wow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I will say I learned a lesson because later, Whitney Rose from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City was doing her own online yard sale, and one of her dresses was for sale for $75 or $85. And I said, I just have to buy it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I have to buy this thing. Yeah, I bought it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay. Great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Fit pretty well.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, good. Oh, I'd love to see that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, it looks. Of course, it's tasteful, but I have been.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Have you worn it to an event?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I need to. I should be wearing it to every of us.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You should. What a story. What a piece.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, it does require a little, like, pulling up pretty frequently, because otherwise, you know, like, the physics of it are interesting to me thinking about how she could have possibly worn it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But you know, Nonetheless, it's in my closet. It's ready to be worn at the drop of a hat.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, good. Let's get you to an event.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Get me to an event.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Let's get you to an event.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I have been to JZ Stiles. JZ Stiles, and had a lovely experience. Got to see a wall of extensions.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Wow. That hair wall.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's fascinating. It's really an interesting. It's kind of in a deeply industrial

[Patty Guggenheim]

part of Utah, so anyone can pop in.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And if they let me in, they'll let. And I was very.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Did you have an appointment or did you just say, I'm popping on in?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I said, I love the show or something like that.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, they were so sweet.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And then the person was just on their phone, and I think they were just like, sure, there's a yard sale over there. Who wants something?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Wow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But they have, like. Of course. They have, like, a couch you can sit on with some neon sign behind it to take a picture.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, sure.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And it was just a lovely experience overall. I would really recommend it to anyone who wants hair extensions or to just browse a salon.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. Soak up that energy.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. But these are all. They've all kind of gone through. We've watched them transform through the last four years.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, I think it's been two years, actually, because they really.

[Patty Guggenheim]

They swap out those seasons faster than they do babies, the whole thing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm like, I need to get in touch with the reality division at Hulu and walk them through how to do any of this.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Give a little bit of some breathing room.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Release them one week at a time.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's a dump. And then, like, a week later, you have another dump.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You could have 10 weeks of people watching this thing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's exhausting.

[Patty Guggenheim]

We have notes. It is exhausting. You're taking in so much.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God. Well, this is. And this is a problem for me because I recap them on our Patreon, and everyone watches it all at once, and I'm watching them one week at a time. So I'm so behind culture.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, how could you do all that? I mean, that's. Each episode you're doing perfect.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Each episode feels like it's, like, 40 hours long.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I know they are long. I do check the times, and I was like, is this still the same? Wow. Okay. But I have to get through it, because I love them.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Who do you think is, like, the. Out of all of the secret lives ladies, which one would you actually want to spend time with?

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's a great Question. Can I see my.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, of course.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I would probably say, I feel like, I don't know. Dakota.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God. I know. I have a video of Dakota.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Remind me her name.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Macy.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Macy. I would say Macy probably. Even though she seems a little problematic. Well, they all do. I. I don't know. Probably Macy.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I would say Macy too. I think Macy, like, is the one person where I'm like, I think that person essentially in control of her life.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Like, is not just like total chaos all the time. And up until. I mean, I'm still watching this season and I'm starting to lose respect for the husband after he's gone to the Vanderpump villa and he's come back a new Jacob.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Maybe. I'm like, a little worried for her. And so I'm like, she needs a friend. I don't know. Yeah, that guy's a little problematic. That husband. Doesn't he have a weird backstory that he was, like, married to? This is the kind of ripped guy, right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, this is the guy that has kind of like a pyramid shaped head.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, shoot.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I was thinking. You're thinking about.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Was it George that was Demi's husband.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, wait, Chase.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Chase, wait.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, and yeah, they had some. I think they had something going on at some point.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He had something where he was married to like, like a housewife of Salt Lake or something.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You're thinking about. You're thinking about Demi's current husband.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Brett.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes, Brett.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Who is about 20 to 30 years older than the rest of the cast.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes, yes, that's it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And was in some sort of thing with a real housewife who has now gone to become a ufologist. What?

[Patty Guggenheim]

It gets better. A ufologist.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Once these people leave these shows, that's when the real excitement begins because there's some scrambling that begins happening.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Maybe they're all doing a lot of ketamine.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I mean, they are.

[Patty Guggenheim]

They are.

[Bridger Weiniger]

In one season, they go. At least one couple is doing. Is going to ketamine therapy or whatever. Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I've done it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You did it as therapy?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How was that experience?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Fantastic. I did it like a week ago.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What does it feel like?

[Patty Guggenheim]

It feels like blasting off into, like a few lifetimes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Whoa.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's really emotional.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. That really affected you. Patty is in tears.

[Patty Guggenheim]

In fact, Delta quiche. It's in here still. It's so incredible. I don't even know have the real words. It's like you go in and it's really dark and quiet and you're wearing headphones and you're listening to music and then you kind of have to relax into it. And then it just takes you to places, it takes you to memories, it takes you to the space.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I mean, you could meet some aliens there for sure. But it's profound in that it takes you to a lot of relationships. It takes you to memories that. And I like to go in with an intention of some kind that's like, you know, helps kind of focus it. Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And how is the ketamine administered?

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's a needle.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh. Like iv.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And they put you in and again, iv. And it's like a clinic where they are take. You know, they take all your vitals and they really are like monitoring you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So fascinating.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And how long does it last?

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's like 45 minutes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. And then you have somebody drive you home.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Don't hop in the car after.

[Patty Guggenheim]

No. It was so fascinating. And I work with a dream therapist to talk through dream stuff.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How long have you been doing that?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Probably three years.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. And you're just like seeing what's happening in your subconscious basically.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. Like, the way he describes it is like your dreams are offering up images of your subconscious and when you, like get them, you can work with them and kind of understand yourself more.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So it's like, you know, you're kind of split in two. There's the half of you that's like living out in the world in your reality, and then there's the half that's like connected to something else and has all these like the consciousness. Just collective consciousness, you know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. Do you feel like this affected the way you dream?

[Patty Guggenheim]

It definitely helps me remember my dreams more.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And I have had some of those dreams where you are like kind of awake in your dream and you're going places. You could like feel like lucid dreaming. Yes, Lucid dreaming.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I would love to be able to lucid dream.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I guess I'm just.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You can everybody.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Can you kind of train yourself, right?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think so.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've, like, I've tried. Well, I've looked into it and then of course, I don't have the self discipline to do any of the things you're supposed to. To lucid dream.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Don't be so hard on yourself.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, don't tell me what to do.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm comfortable doing that. No. Do you remember your dreams ever?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Do you ever write them down or.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's one of the steps. I've been told you write. Have a dream journal.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

The other thing that I've been told to do is while conscious, like, look at, text, look away, and then look back to make sure it's the same text. Or, like, at a clock. Because I guess in dreams that's something you're not able to do in a dream. If you were to look away and then look back, it wouldn't hold on to that text or whatever.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And that would, like, alert you into being like, oh, I'm in a dream now I can break out of this and begin lucid dreams.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, cool.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what I've been told.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Wow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But again, I haven't tried any of these things, so I don't know if they're actually effective. How often do you think you're lucid dreaming?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I really just remember the one time. I mean, maybe a few, but more recently, just one where I was like, oh, I'm in a dream. And I wanted to wake up Kyle and tell him I'm hallucinating. And then I was like, no, I'm in this dream. And I'm like, there was a little man that crawled into the bed with us, and he, like, it was so scary. Yeah, I was, like, seeing, like, spirits. Like, I was seeing my aunt who's passed. I was seeing this man, like, being spooned by Kyle, and it was really nuts.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, that's like borderline possession or something.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And then, yeah, this one, there was an alien in one. And that just made me think of this whole. These women, Ufology, whatever it is. But I had one where there was this massive alien, and he stood up and he had a big, big old alien boner blue. And I was like, whoa. It was just. I don't know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And did you tell your dream therapist about that?

[Patty Guggenheim]

He got very excited,

[Bridger Weiniger]

starts drawing a picture.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I did draw a picture and I sent it to him and he's like. Like, wow,

[Bridger Weiniger]

Are you a big alien person in general?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm open to it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, I'm open to it. I'm not like an ologist of any kind.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sure.

[Patty Guggenheim]

But I am. I for sure think there's gotta be something.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, yeah, of course.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Of course.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm open.

[Bridger Weiniger]

When I'm running out of patience. I know we only have so much time.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Get in here and do some stuff.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, do whatever you want. I really don't care at this point. Go cringe.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Have some fun with us making some moves. Like, be bold. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I feel like, okay, we do have the photos of the men from the Bachelorette. Have you looked into any of them or.

[Patty Guggenheim]

No.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I guess they said which one she picked. Right. Taylor, Frankie, Paul.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes. He's at the top. I put him at the.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And he's like a lifeguard or something.

[Patty Guggenheim]

God, I don't know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I don't know anything about the Bachelorette.

[Patty Guggenheim]

He's here. Right? He kind of looks like Dakota.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm sure he does. I mean, those two have quite a cycle going on.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes, they do.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Very toxic. For a long time. I said it was passion. I'm ready to admit it's maybe toxic.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay. This is big for you. Wow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I'm now kind of following her journey through social media, and it's been interesting, to say the least. She's learning to play the piano. She's just kind of. I guess I should look into what that guy's doing. Dakota.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think he's probably doing great. I feel like he wants to be a good dad. He's got his dad buds. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, God, those guys are so irritating. Some of the most annoying men alive.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And you grew up in.

[Bridger Weiniger]

In Utah.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Utah, yes. And do you feel like you know some of these kinds of people?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Absolutely, yeah. Like, that was an initial hurdle for me watching the show where I was a little bit like, yeah, those are just, like, girls I went to high school with. What's interesting about this?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But then I kind of developed a taste, and now I'm fully obsessed with it. But, like, almost every one of these people is basically an archetype of. I mean, they're. And they're all basically the same person as well.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right, Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

There's not a lot of differentiation between.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I mean, if you looked at this, you would just be like, this is all one person.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God. Or they're still there.

[Patty Guggenheim]

The whole. Everything is the exact same.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Like, I will still watch an episode and be like, who is that?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I know. That's why I'm like, M. Demi Macy. Whitney's made her real.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Whitney has, like, finally she broke out. She was smart to have different hair basically the whole time.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That was the move.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That was the move.

[Bridger Weiniger]

The rest of them all had the exact same hair. So it was very hard to break out as a star. Unless you were Taylor. But then the rest of them are just like.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's a. Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I do have a bit of, I think, face blindness. I know. I've diagnosed myself with wig blindness.

[Patty Guggenheim]

What does that mean?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I just can never tell if someone's wearing a wig. People will be like, that's Obviously a wig. They're like, what?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Really?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes. I'm easily fooled by a wig.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Huh?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I don't know why. Maybe I'm too trusting.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You're a great audience member for the Groundling Theater in school, even on stage, full clown wig. Look at him.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's not natural. No. I have a very hard time telling if a person's hair is real or not, which I guess that's a good thing for people in wigs.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. You're the best friend.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Target audience, basically.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And now this show, at least the show. I've said this show is kind of like a face blindness simulator where it's like, this is how it would feel if you had face blindness. You would just be like, who's whoever?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right. It's just a lot of.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. And you've watched all of the show.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't think I've watched this last season.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So my apologies.

[Bridger Weiniger]

There are a lot of complaints about this season.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I don't see the difference.

[Patty Guggenheim]

What are people. There's nothing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's art.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's art.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Do you think that they're gonna keep making the show?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I. I think they probably have, what, two more seasons left in them?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I'm just curious about this big shakeup.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Maybe it's like, one more season of, like, trying to pull some pieces together.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

But I don't know. They all. They don't seem united.

[Bridger Weiniger]

They're certainly not united. They're busier than ever.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't know what's going on with Mom Talk. I know they're busy. They're all working.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Whitney wants out of that thing more than anything.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, she's doing great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She's selling out Chicago.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. God, what a Hollywood Story.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She really broke out, but I feel like the general consensus is, like, yeah, she's fine.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So, like, where does she go from here?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Burn too bright too quickly.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right, right, right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And then what happens? And then the rest of them, it's like you just go back to your life. What happens?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm honestly a little nervous. Maybe they'll do, like, a catch back up in five years and. Oh, I'm nervous you're gonna run into

[Bridger Weiniger]

them at Comic Con.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, no, no. I'm never going again.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What con do these ladies go to? They don't go to BravoCon.

[Patty Guggenheim]

They probably go to.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Maybe this is a thing I should start producing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Lucon, YouTube con, Mormoncon, Mormoncon, Tokcon.

[Bridger Weiniger]

There's enough Mormon reality TV at this point. Oh, TikTok con.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't Know if that's a hard thing to say.

[Bridger Weiniger]

TikTok con. Tokcon. Yeah. Because there's really no place for them yet. No. Where do they host a Comic Con? It's like a convention center. Convention center, right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We've got to find a place for them to sign. Merch. Mom Talk. Merch. Oh, the Stanley Cups.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Stanley Cups.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Swig drinks.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Swig.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Swig drinks. Have you been to Utah?

[Patty Guggenheim]

No. Yes. Salt Lake.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. But you've not been to Swig.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I've never been a swig.

[Bridger Weiniger]

So did we ever get around to why you brought this?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, sure. Because I did do a little research with Taryn and I knew that you were a fan.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, good, good.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And I was also an early fan to this show, and so I thought that you could use it as a prayer candle.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Absolutely.

[Patty Guggenheim]

For when you need to take a few breaths and you can just light that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Calmly think about these gals.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. Calmly get to a calming place with

[Bridger Weiniger]

those gals and pray for them.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And pray for them. And pray for their hair and pray for whatever you want.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Do you have a least favorite member of Mom Talk? Take a look. Take a look.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I've never really gotten on board.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Miranda.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Miranda. Because I just don't know really what's going on.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Miranda is a bit of a. I think in Utah, they're referred to as sand dune girls.

[Patty Guggenheim]

What does that mean?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Which is essentially Miranda, like a very tan, super white hair. Somebody who goes to. There are sand dunes in Utah, goes to the sand dunes and rides like an atv.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And that's like a very particular set of people. That's basically their culture all the time. And they're just kind of like, what would you. Someone you would meet at a gas station.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Sure. Yeah. That sounds like a gas station. Or like on a cruise.

[Bridger Weiniger]

On a cruise, Right?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Maybe.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Or just kind of like a 7 11.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. Or outside of a tanning salon. Yeah, that kind of thing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

In a parking lot of anywhere.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She's what we refer to as parking lot women.

[Patty Guggenheim]

God, I feel bad. I like to be nice, but I

[Bridger Weiniger]

like Miranda, by the way. I think.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think she's probably actually the most normal.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She kind of. I feel like she's kind of almost an outsider to the group. So she brings a little bit of common sense when she's talking.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She and Macy are kind of those. That's their presence.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, she and Macy are kind of like this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Mikayla is kind of just always there to snipe at people. And her husband is quiet as a mouse. And then There's Jesse, who unfortunately brings Jordan along, who. I just can't. Nobody likes this guy.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Aren't they done? Apparently they're divorced. Who's that guy?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, apparently she was. I'm so sorry. To the listener, if you're not sorry.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm so sorry.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Apparently she was at least on one date with Marcion, the guy that she is that. Who may or may not have had an affair with from the Vanderpump villa. But these, they're always kind of launching new boyfriends on TikTok.

[Patty Guggenheim]

We're just not sure what's real and what's not real.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. This is a particularly blurry world because there's the reality show, but then there's their social media presence that never ends.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And they're trying to make it, like, clicky baby all the time.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. So it's a little.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I don't know what to trust.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, it's a tough one, but maybe

[Patty Guggenheim]

we call this, like, a truth candle.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, like the truth box.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Like the truth box.

[Bridger Weiniger]

The truth box is a desperate move. You know, each season when the producers are like, okay, what do we do now?

[Patty Guggenheim]

One truth that you have to get out, Right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. And it's. How does it work? You ask a question, you have to tell the truth about it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Is that right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think so. And then everyone ends up screaming at

[Patty Guggenheim]

each other, are you pregnant? Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And the answer is yes. This is the other thing about this, is that they all seem to be totally fine getting pregnant at any point.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

They're just happy.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Miraculous.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. One of them had a baby in a shower recently.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Ooh, I don't know about that.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This show is art. This is a tasteful program where we watch people who are in control of their lives flourish.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Are you watching anything to balance out this? No, this.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What could I be watching?

[Patty Guggenheim]

No, I don't know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What could. I'm trying to think of, like, something that would.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Like a documentary or. No, like a art house.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. Let's see some tasteful things that I've watched recently or things that, like, I kind of learned or felt like they were edifying. I watched a documentary called Marjo, which is about a former child preacher. Oh, it's so fascinating. It was made in, like, the late 60s, early 70s, so that's something that people could watch. That doesn't fry your brain. I watched that new series. Not crazy about the title. It's called. What is it called? The False Prophet. Trust me. The False Prophet. Have you heard about this? Oh, on Netflix.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I've seen little clips of it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God. I thought I was over cults and that sort of documentary. Well, this thing's incredible.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, okay. I'm gonna.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I watched four hours in a row, barely moved. Just could not stop.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay, that's incredible. Really fascinating.

[Bridger Weiniger]

What sort of thing are you balancing? Tv. I mean.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I mean, well, I'm watching Twin Peaks.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. That's a good one.

[Patty Guggenheim]

For the original. The second season for the first time. So I'm really, like, watching it for the first time, so that's really fun.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I've never finished the second season of that.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's where I am too. I'm kind of, like, stuck in this. I keep going back to get little

[Bridger Weiniger]

bites, and apparently I think it's justified because apparently David lynch stopped, like, he left halfway through or something. And I think that's probably when it becomes less interesting or something, because every time I try, I get like, halfway through and I'm like, ugh. I get distracted. Don't watch anymore. But I need to finish it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, it's weird and funny.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, very funny.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, my God. There's some really funny, incredible actors and moments.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Have you ever had extensions?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I did.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You did? When was this?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I had them. Well, so I. How personal do you get on this show?

[Bridger Weiniger]

As much as anyone else? Not at all.

[Patty Guggenheim]

None.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Keep it to yourself.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Keep it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's a good title for a podcast. Keep it to yourself. You don't get into it at all?

[Patty Guggenheim]

No truth box moments? No.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Let's hear about it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, was that serious?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I love that. You got really serious. Let's hear about it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is a personal thing that involves hair extensions. Well, this is a sweet spot.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's really sweet. Now I. Well, it gets into health. I had, like, a health thing where I was on a medication. This is where people are like, okay. But also, I don't mind talking about it because people go through stuff all the time.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Literally everyone goes through something.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Something. So I had ulcerative colitis, which is, like, so intense. I'm fully cured now and, like, on the other side of it. But I have always had really long hair. And then I didn't have, like, a lot of hair left.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Is this the part that's funny for the listener?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think this is lovely.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay, good.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And I think it is a nice. We're giving the good side of extensions.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes, that's right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Because they're not an evil thing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

They're not evil. Not everybody's doing it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

They're not always boring or they don't always just make you blend in with your six Mom Talk friends.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

There are great uses for wigs and extensions.

[Patty Guggenheim]

They're great uses for extension, but I just wanted to have them, and I had them, and they were so hard to have.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, that's my. That's what I'm curious about. Like, how do you maintain them?

[Patty Guggenheim]

They hurt. And then you can't really brush through your whole hair.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. But they can, like, go in the shower.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, they can go in the shower and they kind of, like, morph to your real hair, which is cool.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, okay. And how long do they last? Do they start falling off?

[Patty Guggenheim]

They do start getting weird after, like, I don't know, six weeks.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So it starts getting, like. Cause your hair grows and they grow with it. And so you kind of just start having these things that show.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I guess I just don't understand how they work.

[Patty Guggenheim]

We gotta book you a. We gotta get you back into Jay Z.

[Bridger Weiniger]

How are they attached to your hair?

[Patty Guggenheim]

There's like. There are different kinds. There's some that are just clipping. There's some that are, like, glued in. And I think that's what my gal did.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Cause that would grow with your hair.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. And Monique is my gal, and she's incredible. But she just. Yeah, kind of glued them, so you can't really tell. I do think a lot. It's very common in our industry.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I'm sure. Especially in la.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. But now I don't have any.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. You've got such long hair.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And I got long hair and people are shook. But I did weird, like, hair meditations.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And, like, what's a hair meditation?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I just found some on YouTube and they were like, my hair's growing and it looks gorgeous. And I was like, yes. I think I'm really, like, malleable or, like, open to just messaging.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, sure.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I would have been great for a cult.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's not too late. It's never too late to be kind of abducted.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay, I'll start looking out for one. That's fun. But, yeah, I just listened to those and did, like, weird diet, like a bone broth collagen diet.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I bet bone broth diet is kind of savory and nice.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, it's nice, right? Warm, cozy, nice. A little boring, but nice.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And how long was that whole experience?

[Patty Guggenheim]

It was, like, almost a year.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Wow.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It was a year. And it was stressful. And then I started working on a show called Florida Girls.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, sure.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And luckily it was, like, time for those to come out. And we went. And my hair was starting just to get kind of crazy. And it was like worked out nice for the show.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. Did that shoot in Florida.

[Patty Guggenheim]

We were in Savannah, Georgia.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Still humid.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Really humid. Still very humid.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Hair situation. It's gotta be wild.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. What does your hair do in the humidity?

[Bridger Weiniger]

It gets like not wavy, not curly, just like something nobody wants. Yeah. Kind of slightly frizzy, I would say.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wish my hair would just commit to a texture.

[Patty Guggenheim]

A texture. But what's your favorite climate for hair?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Dry. Bone dry.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

My favorite climate anywhere is to be in the desert.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Dry, desert, dry air.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I love. What about you?

[Patty Guggenheim]

I like the, the moist, like the humidity. I love it skin wise. Like being on a. Get me on a boat.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I like to be a salty. I'm a salty. Salty too. Yeah. I'm a salty. Yeah. I do like to be in like lizard type. Like humidity, not so much desert lizard, like a humid, frizzy haired lizard.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I like the curls.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. At least like for skin, humidity is especially like. I. I think my people come from places where you need some level of humidity.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. Where do your people come from?

[Bridger Weiniger]

You know, like Scotland. Just places where dry skin. I don't know. When you're in nice humid air, you feel better. I don't think I was necessarily built to be in a desert.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But here I am and I'm loving it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm loving it. Palm Springs.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I gotta get out there.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I wanna go. I haven't been in a long time.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I love Palm Springs. Where do you stay when you go out there?

[Patty Guggenheim]

You know, I don't have like usually like an Airbnb.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

House. Where do you stay?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sparrow's lodge.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, I gotta look that up.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I gotta wait for a deal, though. Plug, plug, plug, plug, plug, plug. I wait for the deal. I gotta wait for a deal.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. Oh, wait, where have I stayed? That's so fun. The Parker.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Mm, I love. That's very nice. I won't go anywhere other than sparrows at this point.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay. Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Maybe my favorite place in the world.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Ooh, that's a big wreck. That's a big.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think part of the secret is it's an adults only place, so it's very quiet.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's nice.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Which I like.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's nice. Is it nude?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No. Okay, so I'm not. I don't think I'm quite there yet.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Have you seen that show Neighbor?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, my God. That last episode. Nothing can prepare you for what you see in that episode of Time Listener. There's a show on HBO called Neighbors that just follows conflicts with neighbors it is. And the final episode has to do with a man who just wants to be all out there at all times.

[Patty Guggenheim]

He wants to be all out. He wants to pull off that little yellow thong bikini bottom so bad.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And his neighbors don't necessarily want him to do that.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Uh huh. But he wants to be free. He. He's so tan. He wants to be in that sunset, every inch of us.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Lizard. Absolute lizard. And then he kind of. He almost finds his people in Florida. No surprise there. But that's worth watching.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It is.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That episode is not something I necessarily would have wanted to be eating during, but it was like, wow.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Wow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I just never thought I would see any of this.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Now I'm seeing it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It really gives you a nice slice of life.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That you didn't know was out there.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. Well, I think we should play a game.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay, let's do it.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We're playing a game called Gift or a curse. But I need a number between one and 10 from you.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Six.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. I have to do some calculating to get our game pieces. So right now you can promote, recommend, do whatever you want.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay, great. Hi. Oh, I'm doing a show right now. Is the first night I'm doing it. It's called Beverly Hills. The Kirk Douglas Theater.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Is that what it's called? Yeah, I think so.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. And it's so much fun. And there's this great guy, Michael Oswello. Do you know him? Is that how I say his wonderful name? Osceolo. Osceolo. He wrote 500 episodes of a soap opera when he was 13 years old.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh my. What?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Literally wrote them. He was obsessed with soap operas and he wrote 500. Over 500 episodes. And the episodes are like five pages.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sure.

[Patty Guggenheim]

But he casts people and we don't know who we're playing or what the dialogue is at all. We just get our outfit, look, and then you show up and then he casts a lot of fun people and then you read.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, this is a great idea.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's so much fun. So we're doing a run at the Kirk Douglas theater right now. So that's this week. Doing stuff at the Groundlings Always. There's a show called the Hawk that's coming out on Netflix this summer. Will Ferrell and Chris Parnell and Molly Shannon and that'll be fun to watch.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Is there anything else?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Cats. I love Cats.

[Bridger Weiniger]

You're on social media. You're on Instagram.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I'm on social media. Patrick is my handle.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, everybody needs to find you wherever.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, Patrick. I like Instagram. The most.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And you love it. We all love it. We love the experience.

[Patty Guggenheim]

How can we not? I like it. I like the connecting with people. I like the images. I do. I'm old school. I like pictures.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I do like a picture. I just wish they would end.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You wish pictures would end?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I wish that, you know, I. You know, because Instagram has become an infinite service where you can just, you know, non stop scrolling.

[Patty Guggenheim]

There is no end.

[Bridger Weiniger]

There's no end.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And they've made the carousels longer.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah.

[Patty Guggenheim]

How long are they gonna get?

[Bridger Weiniger]

50, I bet. 50. Can you imagine swiping through 50 photos of somebody's September?

[Patty Guggenheim]

We're close. They're done. I mean, a 50 picture dump.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's coming because it's currently, what, 20?

[Patty Guggenheim]

20. It went from 10 to 20.

[Bridger Weiniger]

20's a lot.

[Patty Guggenheim]

20 is a lot. That's a lot.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I don't need that. All right, this is how we play Gift or a curse. I'm going to name three things. You'll tell me if they are a gift or a curse, and why, and then I'll tell you if you're right or wrong, because there are correct answers.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay, great.

[Bridger Weiniger]

All right, this first one is from our listener named Sid. Gift or a curse. When a public restroom has a communal sink outside of the bathrooms.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So you have your little stall, and then you go out to the communal. Like, male and female. Like, everyone shares.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. I think you go out and there's, like. You know, it's almost part of.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think that's a curse.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Because not that, like, there need to be gender roles, like, at all. Like, I don't. Like, everyone should be whatever and whomever they want. I think it, like, all of a sudden, like, I feel like I'm in a closed space to do this thing that I've just done for so long. And then when it's thrown into, like, a community thing, I have to switch my brain to, like, oh, I'm in public again for this personal part.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right, right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's kind of like joining a circle on the oura ring or something. Everybody knows that I'm wash. I don't know. That's kind of hard, but I would say it's a curse.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wrong.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Come on.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Gift.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This is the modern watering hole. This is a place we all go to meet.

[Patty Guggenheim]

This is also to wash our hands.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It doubles the accountability. Because, you know, before it was just.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, I like that part.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Everybody is keeping their eyes on each other as they wash hands.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Ooh, Sid, you're right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Because. Because I do Think there are a lot of people who don't come out

[Bridger Weiniger]

washing their hands, everybody keeping eyes on.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You need all the eyes, right? You need all that social pressure and it gives me.

[Bridger Weiniger]

But I think in middle school, we had kind of that thing. It gives me that kind of vibe of like. Is that a good thing, public school? No, but it's interesting.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Interesting feeling that you don't really expect to feel again as an adult.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It is kind of fun. Where is the place where there's the mirror where you can see the other people on the other side washing their hands? Like, it feels wrong. This is the way. Mirror. And you can, like, see, like, the men on the other side washing their hands and they can see the women.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That seems illegal.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Well, this is what Sid wants. Yeah, Okay, I see that. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. Number two. This is from a listener named Caroline. Gift. Or a curse when the cashier nods or shakes their head at each of your items as they ring you up.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Gift.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why?

[Patty Guggenheim]

It feels more interactive to me than just, like, you know, a zoned out, like, tink. Tink. I feel like it's more like. Oh. Ah. I think I like it. I think it's, like, validating and, like, connect. It feels like a connection.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right? Wrong. What?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Come on.

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, that's a curse. I want their eyes up here. I don't want you looking at my groceries. Pervert. Mind your own business. I didn't come here for you to. I don't need to pass the cashier test. I don't need their approval. No, this is the truth. These are all the truth. This has nothing to. The listener just suggests the thing and then I reveal the truth.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And this is absolutely a curse. I don't want a cashier getting into my groceries.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Really?

[Bridger Weiniger]

I want them direct eye contact with me just passing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

You want them severe eye contact as they check everything through eyes off of my groceries. Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay. You've gotten two wrongs so far, which

[Patty Guggenheim]

is tough to hear.

[Bridger Weiniger]

All right, this third is from a listener named Belle. Gift or a curse. An Airbnb with no mirrors.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Ooh, curse.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Why?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, my God. What? I guess. Oh, my God. You got. Oh, I'm mad. If there's not a full length mirror. No mirrors. Are we Airbnb in the Amish community? That's fine. But if it's just a. If we're in pain, Pittsburgh, I'm gonna need a mirror. Like, I don't wanna walk. That feels. You have to have them. I feel like it's a law or.

[Bridger Weiniger]

They're currently discussing that in the Supreme Court.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

These are very contentious.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think you must. You must. Oh, tell me what you think.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'll tell you what I know.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Uh.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, they're a curse. You're right.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay. Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This. I can't even imagine how unsettled I would be going into an Airbnb and not one. I mean, I think I would get seasick or something.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Even if it were a tiny home, I would expect one mirror because, you

[Bridger Weiniger]

know, they've got some stupid piece of art on the wall. Yes, that should be a mirror.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Exactly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

There's gotta. I mean, it's very interesting to think about this sort of space.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's like an experiment I didn't sign up for, though.

[Bridger Weiniger]

It's very backrooms or liminal space sort of thing where it's just like, oh, and I'm trapped.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah, I'm trapped. And doesn't it feel like an experiment?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Like, let's see how you do.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Like, let's see what you find to reflect yourself in broken glass.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Like, let's put you in, like, caveman times.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right. I mean, I guess it would be a good time to just reflect on everything else.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Or not reflect.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Wow. Interesting. I guess that would. Maybe that could be like, the Airbnb is like, we have experiences. This could be the experience would be. They couldn't afford mirrors to put in. That's the full experience. And you pay more for it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Right.

[Bridger Weiniger]

If I end up in an Airbnb without a mirror, I'm finding a hotel for the night.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Exactly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm in danger.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, you got one out of three.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Okay.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's a score.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's 33.33. 3%, right?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah. Endless threes. I think maybe three is a good number. Okay. Will you help me answer a listener question?

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes, I would love to.

[Bridger Weiniger]

All right, people are writing into I saidnogiftsmail.com let's get into the doc here. This may be our longest email ever. Oh, really?

[Patty Guggenheim]

This is.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Hello, Bridger and disobedient guest. Okay, I hope you can help me with an issue that's been plaguing me forever. Recently, my sister in law, who works full time as a nurse's aide while also working on finishing her bachelor of nursing degree, decided to open a small business selling homemade breads and desserts. It's taken off like wildfire. She went from pitching this idea around the start of the holidays last year to baking everyone in our family homemade treats as Christmas gifts to make hundreds of dollars in sales and hosting a table at a local's farmer market within the past month alone.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Wow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She's a talented baker and lovely person. We get it. Okay. She got a loaf of sourdough from this person who's doing all of these different things. Okay. And there was a long human hair baked into the bread. They didn't. This person didn't eat any of the hair. But the moment I saw it realize how long it was and how embedded in the bread it was, I was horrified. Oh, I fear this may stay with me for years. Okay, then we're skipping. Okay. Anyway, let's see. My question is, I am possibly scarred for life and don't know if I should tell her or not. And we get no name there. They just said, love, troubled listener. Okay, get real.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Come on.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This sister in law is doing it all.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I mean, the first six paragraphs of this are like all of the things she's doing.

[Patty Guggenheim]

She's doing it all.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think she should put a piece of hair up in every loaf.

[Patty Guggenheim]

That's her thing.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's her thing. That's her gimmick.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It's like the baby in the nuance in the king cake.

[Bridger Weiniger]

If you find the hair, it's good luck. Get off her back.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Wait. Don't give her a break. She is a small business owner.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

She's running a female business.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We are supporting her.

[Patty Guggenheim]

We're supporting her. Give her a break.

[Bridger Weiniger]

She's in college. She's a nurse's aide. What has this listener done other than write too long of an email?

[Patty Guggenheim]

She's spending all of her time complaining.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yes.

[Patty Guggenheim]

In an email to you.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Meanwhile. Maybe. I think it's a jealousy thing. I think it's a. Like, look at Harriet. Yeah. She does it all.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm just sitting here on my laptop.

[Patty Guggenheim]

But she had. But. Yeah, but look how she's fucking it up.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I think this listener planted the hair. I don't care if she thinks it was baked in. I think that this is planted.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Did she. So she didn't take a bite? She didn't eat any?

[Bridger Weiniger]

No, she found it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

But she like held up the bread and it had like a.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Sure. She made a huge deal out of it.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Oh, I'm sure her husband, partner had to hear all. Hasn't heard. Stopped hearing about it. Now we're hearing about it. I know.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I'm sure all of her co workers are like, enough.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think there's like more things that she could be worried about.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, I could create a whole list.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I could. Big list for her.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah.

[Patty Guggenheim]

This is small beans. These are tiny beans. We don't need to worry about them. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

One hair and we know the source.

[Patty Guggenheim]

What are you gonna suggest hair nets for her?

[Bridger Weiniger]

Actually not the worst idea.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Put your hair up, honey, while you're doing these.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This feels like, you know, if she had written in and said, I want to protect my sister in law's business. She's obviously going against health code. What do I do?

[Patty Guggenheim]

This is what she does. She buys a second loaf.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay.

[Patty Guggenheim]

If the second loaf has a hair, we have a chit chat. If the second loaf is okay, let her have her hair mistake.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah, Let her have one mistake. Demand your money back for that loaf. Of course, of course. Save the receipts.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Say, I'm gonna need one free loaf.

[Bridger Weiniger]

I won't tell you why. And then if there's a hair in that, then we burn down the business. Or buy hair nets.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Exactly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Until then it's like, I mean, the sister in law. It's enough.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yeah. I think she's got it enough. She's working, she's. Oh, you have to wake up so early to bake.

[No Gifts Host (possibly Bridger's character or a persona)]

Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And I'm sure you have to wake up early to be a nurse's aide or go to college.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Exactly. She's burning the candle.

[Bridger Weiniger]

This woman hasn't gotten a minute of sleep. No, her hair is probably falling out because she's so tired. Give her a rest.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Maybe it's a. She needs extensions. Yeah.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Now get her hairnet or extensions. But this is after buying a second loaf and discovering a clump of hair.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Not just a piece of hair.

[Patty Guggenheim]

No. If there's more than one.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah.

[Patty Guggenheim]

If you're finding clump, then you build a case.

[Bridger Weiniger]

We've all had a hair in something.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Exactly.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And we didn't even know who it came from.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It was somebody from the back.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Yeah.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And this, you know. Give her a break. No, give her a break.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Give her a break.

[Kel Penn]

Wow.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, I think we answered that question perfectly.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think so.

[Bridger Weiniger]

And solved that family's issues and saved us a small business, probably.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Yes.

[Bridger Weiniger]

That's what we do.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I like to support small business.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, I've got my beautiful candle. Yes, it does feel slightly fire hazardy.

[Patty Guggenheim]

It does. Cause it's paper.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Cause we've got just kind of loose paper around flame. I'll light it. Maybe I should light it here in the studio. I'll only light it here in the studio. And then if it gets out of control, I can quickly extinguish.

[Patty Guggenheim]

I think it's. They may discolor a little bit.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Their pictures, their tans will fade.

[Patty Guggenheim]

Their tans may fade, but their smiles won't. I think these are pretty sturdy. And I think you're gonna be praying and telling the truth and getting so many answers.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Okay, let me just quickly. I'm doing a quick test to make sure I know all of them. Miranda. Laila. Nope. Okay. I've already failed.

[Patty Guggenheim]

And when you burn it down, there's a special surprise in there. You'll be reading a script because I use the backs of.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Oh, perfect.

[Patty Guggenheim]

So as you go, you'll get a little. You'll get some interesting couplets.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Right as you go.

[Patty Guggenheim]

From a script that I don't know what it is.

[Bridger Weiniger]

Well, thank you for being here. Thank you, listener. The podcast is over. We've come to the end of the road this week. We'll be back. Get a life. I love you. Goodbye. I said no Gifts is an exactly right production. Our senior producer is Ellis Nelson, and our episodes are beautifully mixed by Ben Tolliday. The theme song is by miracle worker Amy Mann. And we couldn't do it without our booker, Patrick Cotner. You must follow the show on Instagram @isaidnogit gifts. That's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. And don't you want to see the gifts?

[No Gifts Host (possibly Bridger's character or a persona)]

When I invited you here, I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest in my home, you gotta come to me empty handed. I said no. Girls. You. Your presence is presence enough. And I already had too much stuff, so how do you dare disobey me?

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