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In the latest episode, I sit down with Danielle Girard to discuss her haunting new thriller, "Pinky Swear." This isn't a story of cartoon villains or "moral origami." Instead, it’s a dive into the "slanted middle"—the messy, gray area where devotion slides into delusion.
Born from the "ashes of a collapsed marriage" and the quiet, wintry silence of Montana, Danielle’s 17th novel is a work of emotional archaeology. We dig into:

The Ultimate Betrayal: What happens when a surrogate vanishes just days before the birth?
The Reality of Evil: Why the most terrifying threats aren't monsters, but the ordinary betrayals that erode our safety.
Professional Reinvention: Danielle’s journey of starting over mid-career and finding a new voice in the "fog."

"Writing is like driving in the fog... trusting that the road will reveal itself in increments no longer than a single headlight beam."

Don't Miss This Conversation

Whether you’re a longtime fan of her procedurals or looking for a story that captures the "suffocating dread of waiting for a door that doesn't open," this is a conversation—and a book—you won’t be able to put down.

Join us as we explore the space between events where life actually happens.

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Danielle Girard - Pinky Swear