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A pulp MX Network production. A cerebral and experienced look into the racing action from the week that was this is Industry Seating with Jason Thomas. Presented by Guts Racing Pro, Glow Wash Works, Connection, Bass Foundry, TL Speed Shop, Grandstone Boots and Fly Racing. Welcome to the Industry Seating podcast. My name is Jason Thomas. It is Wednesday, July 23rd and I promised you guys that I was going to do a podcast after Spring Creek and I didn't do it. So that's on me. That's my bad. But we are at a midweek one. We had Spring Creek and Washougal and now we have two off weekends. So I'm going to try to get a couple of these in here. This one is going to be a little shorter. I'm just going to cover specifically what went on at Washougal. I am currently at the JFK airport in the lounge, preparing to fly to Prague. Prague in the Czech Republic and looking forward to going to Europe. I was in Spain in April. It's pretty miserable experience to be really honest with you. I had a. I didn't have a terrible time, that's not fair. But it rained the entire time and I really didn't do a lot. My hotel was super nice, so that helps. But I walked around in the mud up to my knees most of the time. I tried to stay out of. Literally I was just either inside the VIP thing, which I'm very fortunate to get to go to at the races, or at my hotel. So it wasn't like this big networking European getaway that I really enjoy. Typically that's what this trip will likely be. I just didn't get that and I'm looking forward to doing that. I'll go to the Czech Republic this weekend. I will fly back to Amsterdam this coming Monday and I will follow the Red Bull KTM DiCarlo Racing team around a little bit. I don't have a big agenda. I just want to spend some time with the Kunin brothers and Simon Langenfelder and try to just improve and continue to build on that relationship because they're doing a fantastic job for us in Europe and around the world and I want to show our support and continue to foster that relationship. We have a multi year partnership with them and we very much want to have the Kunin family and Simon as well for the long term. And the only way to do that is to continue to grow in ways together and that's a big part of why I'm going. Spending 12 days over there taking two GPS. I will be in the booth with Paul Malan, for those of you who do watch mxgp. But I will get. It's funny you have to go to Europe to get some downtime, but that's exactly what this is going to be. I will be working, don't get me wrong, but it will be less work than I would be doing if I was at home. And that sounds crazy, but that's what it is. So I'm looking forward to it. I'll fly out here in a couple of hours, but I wanted to talk washougal a bit and what a whirlwind weekend it was for me and I think for most for fly racing. We launched our 2026 line. So that was really cool. It's a, it's a lot of work and a lot of both prep and execution to do. The lead up to it is crazy, as you can imagine. And then once you get boots on the ground, you know, I was at PIR for their Thursday night motocross event. Then Friday we had that holeshot challenge, which that's going to be one of the topics of the podcast I do while I'm in Europe. I really want to take time while I have time over there, talk a lot about the whole shot challenge, talk a lot about Deegan and the 450 thing he's debating doing for Bud's Creek and just some of these broader topics, you know, Sexton Akawi Prado's situation, like all those things. When I have time to really sit back and not be watching the clock to see when I'm boarding, that's what I want to do. So bear with me on this one. This one's going to be strictly washougal. But I, I am really want to take my time and talk some, yeah, some broad range topics where I don't have really, I can kind of weave in and out and, and something that my television boss, well, one of my million bosses in television side, Chris Bond, we call him Bondo, he would hate it because, because he wants, you know, especially in my role, be concise, be informative and get back to regular scheduled programming, whether that's the booth or features we have built or racing or whatever. Right. My job is to be quick, concise, insightful, informative and get out and on my podcast, that's honestly long before tv. That was one of the main reasons I started this podcast was one, it was Covid and we were quarantined and I didn't have much to do. Two, I wanted to be able to talk about my own stuff and if I want to talk about one topic for half an hour. I can do it. And it doesn't mean you have to like it. It doesn't mean that you won't comment and say, hey, that was overkill. I had to fast forward or stop listening. That's okay. Like, I get it, it's not going to be for everyone. But there are things that I feel are relevant that, that are. The complexities of them are really where I feel like they need to get a deep dive and they need to be walked through one by one. So you can look at all angles of a situation as if you were. It was happening to you in person. So that, that, to me, that's what I enjoy about this podcast is I, I get to kind of steer the ship in the way I want to. And if I want to talk about something over and over and over until I, until I come to some sort of solution or resolution in my mind, then so be it. And I do appreciate all of you for kind of taking that ride with me. I get incredible feedback with the podcast all over the world, really. So that's. It's very rewarding and I do enjoy it. Before we jump right into it, I want to do want to thank the sponsors of this Guts Racing Works connection, TL Speed Shop and their new rental website is race-rentals.com Grantstone boots always looking great in those things. And fly racing, which we just launched, the 2026 line. You can go to flyracing.com and check that out. Follow @flyracing global to keep in touch with everything we have going on. So I'll circle back to those, but I want to get to the racing and 250 class first. I thought Jota did a fantastic job and if you look at his last three rounds, they have been superb. Now you could say that he let one get away in Spring Creek and I would probably agree with you. The second moto wasn't his fault with the rear brake. That's, that's not his bad. I give Lars Lindstrom a ton of credit for a lot of things, but in this case for taking full blame for the rear brakes. Because I, I don't even have a person to say that would do this, but it would be very easy for a team manager to look at the situation and say, well, you know, he has to manage that. Like, you can't be super heavy, you know, like lead foot on the rear brake because you'll boil the fluid and you'll overheat it and you'll get air in it, and then the brakes go away. Like, that's really common. I've done it a million times. I mean, nobody blamed me, but it would be very easy to, because it very much can be the rider that is causing that malfunction. Now, I don't know if that's what happened. I just know it's happened to me a lot. And I got to ride Hondas this weekend. I didn't ride the factory one, but I got to kind of look at the bike a lot. And there are ways to negate some of that, but not all of it. If you. If you run your rear brake pretty high, which I think they do, most guys do, I couldn't, because I would melt the thing in half. I would have melted any rear brake assembly you ever put on it. But if you run it fairly high and you aggressively drag it, which is what causes that to happen, you drag the rear brake like, you're constantly putting pressure on the rear brake, which is dragging. You know, the pads are being applied all the time, and that creates friction, which creates heat, which overheats the fluid, and that boils. And then when that boils, you get air in the line from the boiling, and then your brakes don't work anymore. So that's kind of a walkthrough of kind of what happened with Joe. Long story short, Lars took the high road and said, we have to figure out a system then that will stop that from happening. That's on us. We have to be better. Which I love that. Whether it's. Whether it's true or not, whether it's appropriate or not, you know, he could have. And maybe behind closed doors, said, hey, Joey, like, you got to go easy. Like, rear brakes can only handle so much, and there's only so much that we can throw at it. Like, there's only. There's fluid that has a high enough boil temperature and braided lines and all these things like that will only go so far. If you want to blow your rear brakes up, for lack of a better term, you can. We just need you to be mindful of it. That probably happened also, but Lars publicly was out in front of it, which was super cool. So besides that, for Joe, look how he was great at Red Bud. We know Deegs was hurt. I get it. But Joe really showed up when he needed to. One went one one, won the race. Fantastic performance. He can't help that Deegan's hurt. All you can do, and you've heard me say this a million times, when the door opens, you have to Be able to walk through it. You have to sense opportunity when it is there and you have to grab it with both hands. That goes for anything in life. I don't care what it is. If you're able to be aware enough that there's opportunity and you have this really great again opportunity, you have to stand up and recognize it for what it is and act, period. I'm a die hard believer in that concept as a whole. It has served me well in my life and I've seen people kind of just hem and haw and whether it's paralysis by analysis or whatever, an opportunity will pass them by and whether they regret it or not is not up to me. But I, I just watch it from afar going, man, you really had a chance there. And that kind of goes to my, you know, he really did a great job of it at Red Bud with Deegan. I would say the same thing. But he let one get away at Spring Creek in the first modem. We talked about this on the broadcast because I think he could have won that first moto. Deegan was vulnerable. Deegan basically let up, let him go by and I think had Joe dropped the hammer right then because Joe lap time slipped. They didn't even stay the same. They slipped once he passed Deegan. And any racer will tell you when you make a pass on a world class competitor like that, you have to, I hate using these cliches but you have to put the nail in the coffin right then. Like you have to break their will right in that moment. So they stopped thinking about I'm going to win this race because I, I promise you is I, I can't prove it, but I promise you in my heart I believe this fully, that when Joe passed Deegan, he basically had relented and said if, if Joe goes, I'm done. Like I'm, I'm going to settle for second here. Think about all the times you've ever seen Deegan race. Does he ever, ever let up and let somebody buy. No, he didn't really have a choice. He was tired in that moment. I'm sure his leg was hurting, you know, and you have to overcompensate for these injuries. Like when you have a leg injury like that, he's holding on way more with his core and his arms than he really wants to because he can't grip with his legs. You heard Brian Deegan talk about that. I think Will mentioned it. The most difficult thing for him was to grip the motorcycle. Well, guess what happens when you can't grip with your legs, you've got to make up for that with something else. So he's holding on more tightly. He's doing all these things to make up for a lack somewhere else. So I think he was. He was struggling in that moment. Joe did not capitalize, and I think he would regret it. It would be. The first thing I said to him back at the truck is, hey, you didn't. It wasn't terrible. It's fine. But, man, you've got to understand that you could have won that moto easily, like, going away had you struck at the right moment. Like, when you got to the lead, you got to go. I don't care if you're tired. I don't care what it is. You have to understand that you have to summon every ounce of yourself in that moment, put in two really good laps, five minutes of fury, and the race is over. At that, for all intents and purposes, the race is over now. You have to be able to hold it and maintain the lead and all those things, but that's what these guys do. Like, they're. They're capable of winning. So I kind of think that goes without saying, but I. That was just kind of a big miss for Joe at Spring Creek. But he. He did a great job at Washougal bouncing back, you know, the first moto, not so bad. Deegan wins. Joe was. Was right there, though. Joe held him on it, you know, kind of kept him honest. The second moto, you know, And I. I did mention on the broadcast, there's these. There are things that I really want to talk about on the broadcast that I just can't get in. We're going to commercial. There's a feature running. We run out of time. Will has a report like any. There's a million things that can happen that would procure. Preclude me from sharing something that I believe is important. It's part of it, you know, like, I'm not going to always get my point in. That's, you know, like, that's for James and Weed. Like, they're in the booth. They are the. The main duo that get to share everything they want to share. It's just how it works. So when I tr. When I have something like this, I'm. I'm very excited to get to it because, you know, I. I saw Joe and I'm like, man, if he goes right now, he can. He can check out of here. Like, there's no threat from behind him. Deegan is too far back to even see Joe, and he's got a world of problems as it is. He's in, like, fifth, dealing with a bunch of guys. Ham, Aker and all these other guys. March Banks. If Joe goes right now, like, drop your sprint laps right now, he will win by a lot. And he did. He did. I happened to be right in that scenario. But you saw. You saw Joe look around when he got to the lead. He looked back. He looked over his shoulder. That was the cue. And that he. And it's. It's the mind of a racer. And I. I haven't been in his spot international, but I've been in his spot in races a lot. Many, many, many times in my life have I been in Joe's spot, where I'm like, okay, if I go right now, no one can go with me, and I'm gonna. I'm gonna run away with this thing. And that's what Joe was looking for. He was assessing threat. That's the thing. You're always constantly assessing threat. No matter if you're in first or you're in 10th or you're in 18th or 30th, you want to know where the guys are behind you. Is someone coming? Are you do. How do you feel? Are you able to put laps in right now and go. And if you do and if you can, what good is that going to accomplish? Another example, if you're in 10th, which I've been in a lot, and you're looking ahead, and ninth place is 20 seconds up the track, which has happened to me plenty of times, but I'm feeling really good. I usually wouldn't push, like, say, there's eight minutes left. I'm in 10th, ninth place is 20 seconds up the track, and I have a decent gap behind me. I would probably settle there and save my energy for the second moto. Assuming it's the first moto. If it's the second moto, then you go, you just push, and you hope something goes wrong. Maybe somebody crashes. But if it's the first moto, typically, you kind of. I would kind of lay up there because there's really nothing to be gained by taking a bunch of more risk. And then you want it. If it's the first moto, you want to be saving all of that energy for moto, too. So when Joe goes there, he knows that, like, hey, this is an opportunity. If I push now, I can go in if, you know. And Stu is kind of talking about this too, where he. Like, if he looked back and saw Deegan, maybe he wouldn't push so hard right away because he's going to assume that Deegan's going to go with him, and he doesn't want to use all of his energy right then and there. Now, I don't have as strong as of an opinion on that. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not. I'd say probably he's right. But I do know that when Joe was looking around in that moment and he saw, I forget who he had just passed for the lead, uh, man, why am I drawing a blank on that? But whoever he had just passed for the lead, he knew that wasn't a threat anymore, and he knew that it was time to get out of there. Like, it was time to absolutely dip out on everybody. And he did. And he did. Kudos to him. Great job. And that's what it's all about. It's understanding race dynamics and knowing when to go, knowing when it is beneficial to go and maybe when you shouldn't waste and burn all your energy. All right, enough on Joe. Deegan had a tough second moto. You know, he just didn't have the intensity at the beginning, and that showed up like you just see him. He just didn't quite, quite have the. The pace that he would want in that second moto. And. And, you know, the early laps are what cost him. Like, he wasn't able to get to second quickly enough to challenge Joe. In the end, like, that's really all that happened, was that Joe got away because of a good start and he built up a lead. Deegan didn't have intensity, couldn't make the passes, didn't get the start and the race. For all intents and purposes, the. The win was decided in the first 10 to 12 minutes. It was. The rest of it was just. The rest was just playing out what had been set up in the first 12 minutes. It's fine. You know, he's still not 100%. He should be 100% by Iron Man. And I think there's a really good chance he wins Iron man and wins Unadilla. Really good chance of those two things happening. Although I would say that Joe is really good at Unadilla, so something to watch for. Yes, he broke his collarbone there last year, but he's won there in the past. He's been really good there in the past, so maybe. Maybe he could steal a win there. What this all counts for is the 450 decision at Buds Creek. Deegan needs to make up more than, I think, six points to make sure that he can do that. If he chooses to And I will go into my thoughts on him not or doing that on the next podcast. Garrett Marchbanks. Just quickly. He's riding really well. You know, it's crazy to me that he doesn't have a contract for next year, but having said that, if you look at the way that team is structured, they have a lot of youth, and I just think they're struggling, you know? Like, if you heard Phil on Pulp show on Monday, he said they could come up with a couple hundred grand, like, to fix this. Man, that's a lot of money, you know, like, because Garrett needs to get paid. Like, he's. He needs to get paid. Like, 250 guys don't make a ton of money unless you make good bonus money. So he needs to get paid decently to be there. And I would say that he's earning it. Like, getting podiums is really difficult, and he's doing that. I just know it's not as easy as snapping your fingers and getting it done. The other part of this is that I think somewhere in this equation, they're looking at it going well. Starts are a problem and they're not likely to get better because the starts are. A lot of that is how big he is. And he's just heavy. He's given. He's giving up a lot of power to weight every single start. And unless you are just some sort of elite starter, I'm talking like Prado, Alessi, Jeff, Emig, Jet, Lawrence, Hunter Lawrence. Like, unless you're one of those guys that can overcome pretty much anything, like, if you're an elite starter and you can make up for a little bit of disadvantage, I just think it's. You're climbing an uphill battle every single weekend. And I think somewhere in there, Mitch is looking at that and maybe somebody at Cali, too. I don't really know. I think they want him. I think they like the way he's riding. I think it's just every single race, they know they're probably going to be starting with a bad start and have to fight forward. And that doesn't set you up to win very often or podium very often. You have to ride out of your mind to overcome a difficulty. You're overcoming adversity every single time because the starts aren't there. Like, I truly believe that's somewhere in there, but we'll see. Hopefully he's going to land somewhere. I think he should stay there. They just got to figure out budget. Maybe Garrett has to take less money. I don't really know. Okay. Let's jump into the power rankings. If you don't listen to this podcast very often, we do the power rankings often. Top 10 riders, I think, in the series. This will be an embodiment of Supercross. If you're active, if you're not racing and you're not planning on racing, you're out. So Webb, you'll see, is missing this week. He is out. I left APN because it's just an illness, and I think he'll be back for Ironman. But a real injury with a surgery like Webb, I just took him out because we won't see him until SMX playoffs. So, having said all that, number 10 is Valentin Guillaud, making his first ever appearance in the power rankings. And I could understand if you said he doesn't deserve to be here. I get it. Because he didn't race Supercross, he shouldn't race Supercross. And his outdoor results have been really good lately, but not always awesome all the time. So I think he deserves to be in 10th, but I don't really have a ton of conviction. I just think he deserves a nod. He's been really good as of late. He's 10th in points in the 450 motor pro motocross class. Like, that's really strong. He's on a full privateer bike. Like, he had to run the same shock fluid and fork and shock fluid for three races because they couldn't fix it. They couldn't. They didn't have the right part to fix his forks. They couldn't. They couldn't take him apart. Like, that's the kind of stuff privateers deal with. And to be doing what he's doing in that type of situation on a stock bike, I think he deserves credit. I think he deserves a nod, and I'm happy to give it to him right here. So great job balancing guy. Number nine is Malcolm Stewart. And Malcolm hasn't had, like, spectacular results outdoors, but I didn't really expect him to. I thought it would kind of be a lot of this, a lot of 7 to 11 type stuff, and that's what we're getting, you know, Like, Washougal wasn't a banner weekend for him at all. Kudos to him for helping. Who did he help? Somebody he lifted a motorcycle off of. I can't remember who the hell it was, but he got up and helped somebody pick their bike up in the back sections. That was really cool. Love to see the sportsmanship from those guys because it's pure adrenaline, man, these guys are locked in. They are like Thinking about the race and nothing else really matters. So for them to break out of that mindset just like Marshall Wilson did at Spring Creek and go pick up someone else's motorcycle, I like to see that, like it shows some. The human element of who these guys are as racers. Number eight is Jorge Prado. And I'm going to be honest, I don't know. I don't know what's going on here. There was a call on Pulp show this week. I was like, I just think he's just not as good. Like, RJ's just better to Mike, you know, he was saying that if, if Geyser came over, RJ would beat him. I'm like, man, I don't know how else to tell you, but you're just wrong. Like, I'm sorry. It's fine. You can have that opinion. I'm not telling you you can't. But I, I would like for you to know that it's misinformed. Whatever's going on with Prado, this isn't the guy that he is. And, and if you're wondering like why he's so defiant in his interviews, because he knows it too. He knows that this is nowhere near what he's capable of. That's why, you know, he's blaming the bike. Whether it is or not the bike, it could be him too. This is not what he's capable of. That's why he's acting this way. And you could say it's not appropriate to act this way. And I would say you're probably right. But the reason behind him acting this way is because he's, he's not riding anywhere near what he's capable of. I'm just telling you straight up, straight to the point. I don't really care to hear the alternative argument because I, I know what I know. Like that is factual in my mind, period. Like, it's okay for you to disagree. I just don't really have time to argue it with anybody because I. It's pointless for me to argue something that I know to be true. Like you want to talk about opinions or the cause of why he's not riding up to. That's great. I would love to get into what the varials variables could be that are causing him to be this far off. Great. That is a appropriate conversation to have a conversation about. He's just not very good and he's. He thinks he's better than he is. Is not it like that? That's not, it's not true. I've watched him race too often. I've watched all these guys race. It's. I shouldn't say it's all I do because I do lots of things, but it is a very high percentage of what I do. And I consider myself an expert on watching these particular guys, especially at the top, because I've done it so damn much and studied it in slow motion and reviewed old races and tapes and gone back and watched old MXGP races, which I would invite you to do. If you want to see what the guy's capable of, go watch old MXGP rounds. Does he look anything like that right now? The answer is unequivocally, no, he does not look anything like that guy right now. And that. That's where the question comes in of why, which is a great debate. The why I'm all about. So, anyway, terrible weekend for Prado. Holeshot Sekimoto was awful. Horrific even. I don't know that I've ever seen him ride as poorly as he did in the second moto at Washougal. But here we are, number seven, and I'm going to get into a lot more of the why on the Future podcast. As I mentioned before, for number seven is Barcia, and Barcia's getting better. He's fine. You know, Is it a podium threat? No, he's not. He's not even close to that. But I think it's okay. Like, he's steady. Top 10. He got fifth overall at Spring Creek, which was 8, 7 for fifth. Do what you want with that. But I don't know. He's got his deal locked up for next year. That's all good news. So I think the pressure's off with that. You know, he's going to have a lot of testing and a lot of development work to do, but he seems okay with that process. He's been through it many times before, so I think it's fine. He seems happy. Seems like he's in a good mood at the races. I'm here for it. Number six is ap and nothing really to report here. Hopefully he's back and 100% at Ironman. This has been a tough slog for him and he lost a bunch of SMX World Championship points. But health first. Your health matters and that's all I really want to see. Number five is Jacob, and he hurt himself at Spring Creek. He's just kind of been fighting back through that. This weekend was okay, but I really think the thing that's missing here is the starts. He needs to get hole shots and he needs to put Himself in position. I don't think he's going to beat Jet. I don't think he's going to beat Hunter. But if he wants to battle for podiums, he needs to start first or second. That I firmly believe that. I've said that from the jump about J. Koopas. He is not a guy that's going to come from 10th to third. He's just not going to. He never has been that guy, nor will he ever in my mind be that guy. It's not his mo. It's not his racecraft. He's. It's not what he spent, you know, 15 years of racing before he went pro honing. It's just not so, yeah, you are who you are in the end. And I think Jacob starts are the winchpin to everything else. Number four is Eli and thankfully Eli was back there. Man, the panic button was out and we can put it away. I think he's fine. Is he gonna win, win any races down the stretch? I don't know. Probably not. It's possible, but I'd say probably not. You know, Sexton is really coming on Jet seems like he's 100% now. Hunter looks fantastic and I. I truly think if he was going to do it, it was at Washougal that that's the main reason the other guys are riding on incredibly well. I just felt like Washougal was the race where it had to happen if it was going to happen and it. It simply didn't. So, yeah, tough one. Tough one there for Tomac. He's really it. It's not like he can't win an SNX playoff race. He was fantastic in those last year. I just felt like Washougal was the one where he knew it, everybody knew it and just wasn't quite enough. But it was a lot better. Number three is Hunter. Not a great day for Hunter. It was okay. It was okay, but not a great day. I don't think he or Jet likes that track very much. If you remember, kind of Deegan had him covered there a couple times on 250s. He just. He just doesn't seem like he gels with that track. It is really sketchy. Washougal is incredibly difficult to feel comfortable on. Super sketchy. I do not blame Hunter, Lawrence or Jet for feeling sketched out on Washougal. I do. I always did. So I understand how they feel. They were going a lot faster than I was, but the mental uncertainty and uncomfortability is universal. Like that feeling is the same. So it totally makes Sense why Hunter was just like, yep, you guys go ahead. This is all I got. And I'm not going faster than this because I don't want to leave in a hospital. I know that sounds hyperbolic or exaggerated. That's it. Like, that is truly what goes through your head. Number two is Chase Sexton. And Sexton was. He was awesome. Like, great job to Sexton. He got the job done. You could say, well, same old story in the second Moto, fine, whatever. But he won the overall. He did what he had to do in the first Moto and then the second Moto. I mean, he, he kept Jed honest, right? He was in the fight and that before we went to the red flag, it was on. Like, it was on. So I have nothing but praise to give Chase Sexton. Nothing but praise. Good job. Rode really well. Starts were better, Pace was better, Confidence was better. He didn't back down from Jet in the first Moto. Yeah, I don't know about A plus, but strong, strong A to A plus performance. Great job from Chase Sexton. Number one, Jet Lawrence. He's going to be number one until proven otherwise. You know, he lost the overall. He self proclaims, doesn't like Washougal. Don't really blame him. I like going there. I've said this on multiple shows. I like going there. I don't even mind riding it so much. Like, I got to ride it on Sunday a little bit, but racing it when it's really dusty and hard and slippery, no thanks. I will pass for the duration of my life on that scenario. Hard pass, even. I just, I don't want to do that. Like, I. It's a lot of risk and I been down that road. I've taken big chances at that track when I had to, and I've gotten good results there, but I don't want to do it again. Like, that's, you know, as you get older, you start to understand and assess risk more properly. And, And I don't want to hurt myself. So I, I, you know, I have no problem being too slow. Like, I wasn't going fast on Sunday. I didn't even jump all the jumps. I jumped most of them, but I didn't jump all of them. I was on a bike I'm, you know, not familiar with, and I haven't ridden at all in three years. Like, I'm not going to do anything stupid, so I don't have any problem, like, backing it down. And the same dynamic is true for Jet and Hunter. Like, I think Jet, was he thrilled to Lose? No. But he also understood, like, this is not the racetrack to take chances on. It's just not. And that same feeling that I have, you know, they're racing, I'm not, but it's. It transfers. Like, that feeling is the same one. They're just in a different situation. I felt to an extent I wasn't winning to an extent what they felt, where you're like, I don't have a choice. Like, is it risky? Yes. Do I feel sketched out? Yes. Am I hating having to push the limit here? Yes. But you kind of have to do it anyway. That's. That's the typical feeling for most guys. Like, I think Tomac likes Washougal. I don't know. Sexton seems to like it, too. That was never the case for me. Never, ever, ever, ever did I feel super comfortable pushing the edge at Washougal. And for the Lawrences, I think it's the same thing. So I think Jet just, you know what? Tip his cap to Sexton. Good job. Big points. Lead train keeps rolling on, headed towards another championship. Like, I just think that's what it is. I think jets mature enough. He has really smart people in his corner, telling them the right things, keeping him cool, keeping his ego in check, not letting his pride get to him, because that can happen. Get too proud, and you're like, sexton's not beating me. I will go to the end of the earth. And then you end up flipping down the racetrack and your championships and tatters. You have to kind of just swallow your pride sometimes and say, big picture, it's fine. I lost. What he lose two points on the day. Who cares? Chase Sexton's not even in this championship. I. He extended his lead, his leads over his brother. He extended his lead. So in the end, big picture, you go to a race with a lead, and you leave with a bigger lead. I don't care what the results say. That's a win on some level. But you have to be mature enough to look at it that way. Look at it through the lens that best serves you. And I need to put that on a bumper sticker. If you view life through the lens that best serves you, typically is your best move. And I don't mean that in a selfish way, like, life's not all about you, but I think when you're trying to overcome something, you're up against something really difficult. You have this challenge that you're trying to figure out how to get past or get through. I think perspective or how you view the situation is really really important and I know it is for racing, but I think in all aspects of life it is. You know, it's like one of those things where five people can look at the same exact event and see it completely differently just because their perspectives are different, the way they viewed it are different. The mood they were in when they watched it was different. Where they were standing was different. Like a million different aspects of it can change. You know, only one thing happened, one thing transpired, but a bunch of different people can see that one event different ways and the resulting takeaways can all be different accordingly. So anyway, that's our top 10. 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