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A cerebral and experienced look into the racing action from the week that was. This is Industry Seating with Jason Thomas. Presented by Guts Racing Works Connection Racerattos.com unmatched supplements, firepower parts, Grandstone boots and fly racing.

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Welcome to the Industry Seating podcast. My name is Jason Thomas and I'm getting it done on Sunday. It's March 22nd. We're on the back side of the Birmingham Supercross and I'm doing in the morning, have a little layover in Atlanta and going to knock this out. Might be a little shorter because of that layover, but I wanted to immediately get this recorded up, provide you guys with some content and talk about what we saw in Alabama. I would do the Forest Gump impersonation of Alabama, but it's going to sound ridiculous. I'm not going to do it. But you all know what I'm talking about and that's where we were. We were treated to some great weather. They had snow on the ground on Monday in Birmingham, which is pretty crazy. Everybody that I spoke to kind of in the area had all talked about it, like, man, you guys got lucky and we all knew it. But I'll take it. Sunny skies, great conditions. I will say the track suffered a bit by how warm it was on Friday and Saturday. If you watch the race, you saw how deteriorated and how slippery and dusty the track got weight. That was a direct result of all of the abundant sunshine on Friday and Saturday. Beggars can't be choosers. It's never going to be perfect. It's just one of the dynamics you get. It's really difficult for the Dirt Works SMX track crew, however you want to refer to them, to manage really bright sun. That sounds ridiculous, but it's really challenging because the dynamic is you don't want to have a muddy racetrack for qualifying sessions. These guys have to qualify for the race during what is effectively practice. So you can't have a muddy practice track and then let it come in later, which is ideally what you'd want to do. If you know you're gonna it's gonna be super sunny, you'd want to get it really wet, it's a little bit too wet, then it comes in and by the night's racing, you have this really tacky racetrack that's in perfect condition. When you have qualifying, you can't do that because these guys need a good practice track to get their qualifying laps in also. So you're in this almost impossible situation of you need a good track in the afternoon. But it's so sunny that you can't keep it in that really good window of dirt condition without it getting really dusty really fast. And then once you lose it and it hardens up and becomes dusty, it's really hard to bring back. It's really hard to get moisture back into it without going overboard and getting it muddy again. So I can really sympathize with the track crew because it's. It's almost a no win situation now. It wasn't terrible, but when you're. If you're looking for like the perfect track setup when it's that bright and then when it's 80 degrees, I just don't know that you're ever going to get it. And I think it's. It sounds counterintuitive. It almost like man weather's perfect. The track should be perfect. Yes. But if somehow they had overcast conditions and 80 degrees, the job would be so much easier. And I guess it's just, it's just radiation. Right. It's just the UV rays that are drying the dirt out so much more than overcast conditions would, even if it was the same temperature. So way in the weeds to start this thing off. But that was a big reason that you saw the track deteriorating so much was simply because of how warm it was. The racing I thought was the 250 race was amazing. You could say the 450 race was boring. I get it. I actually thought it was interesting. And watching the kind of yo yo effect of Hunter and Kenny and then the way they, they gapped Eli, like that stuff to me is interesting. Like I don't have to be wowed by just a crazy battle all the time. Is it. Are the battles really good? Sure. Of course. We all love that. But there's more to it. There's nuance, there's depth to it. And if you're really paying attention, those guys are. It's like high level chess in the middle of the race and, and you kind of have to be paying attention to see it. And you can see like each rider putting in bursts of energy. You know, when Kenny closed the gap down, he made a couple of big mistakes. Hunter then realized that and kind of sprinted and. And there's just this back and forth that goes on between the two. And it's these mental and subtle messages that get sent back and forth. And I talk about it on the broadcast sometimes is you. If you're paying attention, you can pick up on it and especially if you know what to look for. And a lot of it's, it doesn't matter if you're racing for first and second or 10th and 11th, those gaps and the way that riders are marking each other, all that is consistent. So I, I can see what they're doing in real time because I, I did it myself. Were we battling for the win in American Supercross? No, I wasn't, but it could have been for 10th place or it could have been for a win overseas. The, the racing dynamic is, you know, racing is racing. That, that doesn't change and I am really interested in watching that stuff. Maybe it's not for you, that's okay. But I'm still going to talk about it because I, I know the more you are able to identify it, I believe the more it will interest you. And then you can kind of see it coming and you can see the dynamics forming and then it gets really fun because you can almost predict how it's going to go. Once you learn these riders tendencies, how they react to certain situations, who's really good at doing what. That, yeah, that. I think it's all kind of an extra layer of racing that once you kind of learn to pay attention to it, it just adds, it adds more depth. It's, it's almost like, you know, for fantasy. What did fantasy do for football? What does, you know, pulp fantasy, MX do for our sport? It just adds more depth and more layers to it versus just like the battle for the weed, you know, and, and that's your casual fan. Your casual fan just like, wow, they're, you know, this is amazing racing. And they're going back and forth. Yeah, that is great. We all love that. But there's a lot more to it. And when, and I'm sure most of you listening to this pick up on it, so I'm probably preaching to the choir. But if you haven't ever, it's really something to maybe put some time into because there's a lot to. Yeah, there's a lot to digest there. So anyway, let's jump into the 250 class. But before we do, I want to thank the sponsors of this podcast. Guts Racing have been with me for a very long time now. Great company. Andy Gregg seat covers, graphics. They have them for mountain bikes, dirt bikes. Just Fantastic company. Their second generation family business. Go to Guts Racing on Instagram to learn more. Works Connection works connection.com Eric Phipps has these had this really going since the early 90s. They have so many accessories for bikes. 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I am not here for it and I don't know how aggressive I'm going to be able to be on like SMX Insider or on the broadcast moving forward. I don't know what they're going to let me say or not say and I don't mean they're like censoring me but, but also I can't just go and blast everybody. I can't go blast the ama. Like that's, that's not, it's not smart for one and it's also just not, we're all kind of working together to grow the sport, right? Like we want the best things for the sport. So I don't know how aggressive I'm going to be able to be but I'm, I'm not going to shy away from the fact that I don't agree with the penalty and I know for sure they are okay with me doing that. They, if I have an opinion that is a respectful opinion, they want me to share that. The powers that be are not saying you can't say this or you. You know, that's not how this works. They want me to have an opinion. I just can't go. You know, I can't be disrespectful. I can't say ridiculous things like some of the media does. But I don't agree with this. I do not. So in my mind, Deegan won the race. I think everybody that watched it knows that Deegan won the race. This. This penalty and this ruling and what he did had no bearing on the race. Zero bearing on the race at all. So I just want to be very clear in my mind, Deegan won the race. I don't know how they're going to do bonuses. I don't know how any of that's going to work. I. I feel bad for Hayden. He probably lost a lot of money in this deal. He's probably really angry. But I. Man, this. This one. It has been a rough go for the ama. I'm just going to put that out there right now. It has been a rough, rough go. I don't really agree with Evan Ferry penalty either. Like, to me. Yes. Was it. Was it over the line? Yes. Could you penalize him, like, positions or something? Sure. But you're going to hit him with the trifecta of license points, race points and a fine. Wow. Like, holy cow, man. I've seen some dirty passes in my life. This wasn't. This was. Okay, yes. This was, like, too aggressive, for sure. But three penalties in one for that. I don't. I don't know. Like, I really like Mike Pelletier. I really like Ezra Lusk, but I'm starting to question what's happening. I. I am. I'm. I'm like, what. What's going on, guys? Like, this is rough. Arlington was really rough with the. With the Red Cross stuff. Did nothing to Tomac. Like, all right, got it. Everybody's pissed. Got it. It's not getting better here. Like, we are. We are not getting better with these rules. And I'm missing. What was the one I'm missing? I don't know. There was one in between this and then. Sorry, it's really early in the morning, but, like, we're going from bad to worse here, which is the troubling part. It's not like we made adjustments and now we're getting better. It truly feels like we're going the wrong direction on this stuff. And that is. That is troublesome. Like, we're. I. Like, I'm not the. I'm not the purveyor of this, but it feels like we're going from bad to worse. So anyway, Deegan wins. In my book. Davies was good. Not good enough, though. That's it. Like that's in one sentence. He was good, but not good enough. Yes, he wins. Yes, he gets the points. Yes, he's probably going to get his bonus. It's a huge penalty for Seth Hanmaker and Joe Shimoda. And I think if you wanted one takeaway of what this penalty means, that's the big takeaway. Seth and Joe really suffer in this because they get. Davies gets another three points and it separates them by another three. So now Deegan second, Davies goes to first, Seth drops the third. So now instead of a two point loss, it's a five point loss. And for Joe, instead of a four point loss, it's a seven point loss. Like that's a big deal. Like that is a big swing in somewhere, you know, it's probably not been talked of. Nothing's probably been talked about much yet. But that needs to be a big factor. Yes, we're all going to go crazy about this. Didn't change race and Deegan should have won, blah, blah, blah. That's going to catch, catch all the headlines. But the point swing here is big. It's really important. I know on the team front, it's more important. They're, they're more concerned with the point swing than anything else. So for Seth, kind of the same thing. A lot of mistakes, though he made a lot of mistakes in this race and I think he's harping on that is like, I gotta clean it up, I gotta be better. The mistakes are killing me here. And you could even go back to Daytona to crash. These mistakes, sometimes they turn into really big mistakes, sometimes they don't. But that crash in Race 2 in Indy where he crashed in the. Whoops. These weren't as punitive. These mistakes weren't as punitive as that as those were, but they're still punitive. They cost him, I think what could have been. It may have been the win, right? Like if he finished, if he's able to stay ahead of Davies and win the ra, like get second, that then he would have effectively won, which would have been a big deal. Now he gets that huge point swing. So that's a, that's a big moment in this championship. Joe kind of like I, I feel like the same for Davies, Seth and Joe. Even though they all, you know, like Davies beat both of them, they all were kind of like not bad, but not great. There was, I Just have, like, I have in quotation marks. They could be better. All of them. They could have been better. And I think they would probably all agree with that. You could. You could sense from each of them, like, Davies is like, yeah, wrote terrible. Seth was like, yeah, I made a lot of mistakes. Like, it was a very similar sentiment by all of them. We didn't get to hear from Joe, but I think he would have said the same thing. Not great. Like, I didn't. I don't think any of them felt like they rode very well on the evening. And it could be a lot worse. Always. That's always true. It seems like in life. But this was a very, A very apropos usage of that. Wasn't very good, but could have been a lot worse. So I don't know. I think Deegan was the story. And then the penalty is just like, full face palm moment. Like, I'm. I'm in shock that. Honestly, I'm in shock that they did that. Like, I can't believe it. So when, to give you perspective, quickly, I'm down on the floor and I hear, while we're doing the podium, we're getting ready for the podium. I'm hearing from the broadcast truck and from my bosses, hey, we might have a penalty coming. We don't know yet, but be ready because you might have to break this news or it might, like, you might have to tell Hayden. I'm like, oh, boy. Like, please don't put that on me. Please don't let me be the one that has to tell Hayden Deegan that he's not the winner anymore. That's not what I need. Like, of all things, good God. That's not what I need. Thankfully, it didn't happen in time, but I'm expecting, you know, when you have those inside outsides, you have to commit to one and you can't. You can't, like, switch lanes for obvious reasons. You would. You would shorten the racetrack by five, you know, two or three seconds. I expected him to have, like, gone over a berm on the first or second lap in traffic and then have to commit to the other side and have gained a big advantage. That. That's what I thought happened here because I was hearing that, like, it's pretty definitive. You can clearly, he see he cut. So I think there's a penalty coming. I don't know what that any of that means. I'm just listening. So when I hear that, I'm like, okay, it's going to be. It's going to be pretty Clear. He probably went over a berm on accident because the berms were so blown out and would have been really easy to do. And he gained an advantage by jumping into one of the lanes. Not even trying to, but just on accident. And he didn't want to do like a U turn in the middle of traffic or like jump back across a berm in traffic. So he just went about his way. But he gained a big advantage, and they're going to have to do something about it. That was in my head, my assumption, but this was really far from that. This was nowhere close to that. This was. This was nothing, truly. Like, I. I mean that in every essence of that phrase. This was nothing. And it cost him. I don't know. I. You want me to guess? I'm talking to myself. It probably cost him 50 grand, maybe, maybe 40. But, like, think about what that move, how minimal it was. And I know a lot of people don't like Hayden, but. But just think about this in black and white terms. Take biases out of it. That move cost you 40 or $50,000. Like, that is. That is brutal. I don't even know what I would do. I would. I would not handle this well because he. I don't believe that he deserves that. Levi kitchen. The last 250 note, he obviously faded. That's not a good look. But I am hearing he had some back issues. He's going to go get an MRI on Monday because, yeah, he was not feeling okay during the main event and that's why he couldn't hold the pace. He basically just had to relent. And when your body says, hey, you're. You're not pushing anymore, there's not a lot you can do. I've been in that spot. It's not much fun. You look terrible. Right? Like, you. The optics of it for your boss and your sponsors and the fans is awful. Like, I'm sure if he went in his mentions and looked at comments, people are just blasting him without knowing anything. And sometimes your body's just like, no mas. And I think that was for Kitchen what the deal was. So he'll go get checked out Monday. And, yeah, they have a little break. You know, they have. What is it, one week off? I think it's one week off. So he needs to. He needs to get right, that's for sure. I mean, championship wise, it's over. He's 45 points down, but I'm sure he still wants to stay second in the championship and he needs to get. Make sure he's 100% healthy for, for pro motocross, too. So let's jump into 450s. Let's do this power rankings thing. And it's getting a little dicey here. Just be honest because there's so many guys out, guys hurt, guys not putting in good results. So the back end of the power rankings is not a who's who anymore. And if. I don't even know if that's fair. So, like, I have Christian Craig in 10th. For me to say that Christian Craig is not a who's who is is not fair. It's not appropriate. So I apologize for that. But it's not where it was. Anaheim one where I was like battling like, I don't know. Somebody's going to get left out. None of these guys deserve to get left out. Now I'm on the other foot where I'm like, somebody's going to be in where I'm kind of like shoulder shrug about being in. Like, this was not a good race for Christian Craig by any means, but I'm still putting him in because, like, body of work and who's healthy, he's going in. So CC28 is in 10th. Justin Hill had a better race. He looked good all day, good qualifying times and yeah, did he, you know, have to fight to get in through the heat, race off a bad start, sure, all that. But he looked better this weekend and he's kind of coming around. Like, you could see one of those breakout Justin Hill rides where he gets like fifth or sixth coming. Like, truly, I, I do think that he looks like that and level of improvement is on the way and he's going to have this really great night where he shines. I just think we're, we're on the precipice of that. AP is eighth and yeah, tougher ap. We all saw the crash. Well, if you watch the race. You did, you saw the. You didn't. We didn't see the crash, but we saw him walking off, took his boot off right away. So that doesn't seem great for like ankle stuff. But he was still walking, so we shall see. With ap, it has been a rough stint by any stretch of the imagination. And it really, it started right away. Cooper Webb gets loose, gets out of control, gets into the side of him. First heat race of the year. They go down and it's really never relented. A two steps through the bars. It has just been one thing after another for ap. Indy crash with Rocksen this weekend, Another huge crash and it's just been, you Got to feel for the guy because he just cannot, cannot catch a break. Malcolm Stewart, he was looking better this weekend. Now, was it the result he wants? Probably not. But like in the heat race, he was there in the background. You could he. There were flashes of Malcolm Stewart and that's really what we want. We know, we know it's in there somewhere. You know, he's not a spring chicken anymore. He's, he's old, he's in his 30s, so it's hard to like bring it every single weekend. But I like to see the, we saw a little bit from him. We saw the what we know he can do. We saw come back to the forefront somewhat this weekend and you got to think like the shoulder's been a problem. He's been fighting through all these things. So it's, it's getting a little better. Six is Prado. Welcome back. Jorge Prado looked pretty decent. Now is he, is he in the way a little bit? Sure. Is he getting the starts and then people are having to fight through him? Sure. But like, whatever, it's not his fault. He gets good starts. I don't see him riding like crazy dirty. I know he has a little bit of a cross jumping habit, which is not good. He needs to not do that. But I don't know, I'm not mad at it. Like, he's so much better than he was last year. Like, I'm, I'm kind of here for this, this Jorge Prado, Ike, he's impressive to me. I have changed my tune. Is he as good as he was at a 1? No. But so what? He's going to be fantastic when we go to motocross. I'm just telling you right now, he is going to be fantastic. Does that mean winning? I don't know. That's the million dollar question. Is that good enough to win? Maybe. But you have to. If you were completely out on Jorge Prado, which I know a lot of people were, you can't be out anymore. You can be like foot halfway in, foot halfway out. You may not like him, he may not be your cup of tea because of the way he, you know, the comments and the way he handled himself a year ago. But you cannot of sound mind, completely disregard him for motocross this summer. If you are still, that's at your own peril. You're going to be wrong. I'm just telling you right now. I'm not saying he's going to win the championship. I'm saying he's going to be a podium guy most of the time in motocross. That, that is my prediction. And that means that's with Jet, that's with Hunter, that's with Tomac, that's with Deegan, that's with Sexton. I know what that means. I know what I'm saying. Like that, that is a really, really bold statement. But I know what I've seen from him too. Is it going to be every time? No, I don't think it's going to be every time, but it's going to be. He is going to be a podium conversation guy week in and week out. That's really the point. Number five is Jacob. And what a moment that was. Man, I'm so thankful he did not get hurt. I'm sure he is too. You could see when I interviewed him, you could see like the fear and the concern in his eyes, like he was still kind of reeling from that. You don't see that very often from these guys. They're kind of steel faced and no emotion. You could see like he knew that was a, a very scary moment that could have gone very poorly for him and thankfully it didn't. So good job, J Coop. Way to kind of show some resilience, some backbone. Yeah, I, I lot of credit for Justin Cooper number four. And this is where it gets tricky. Three and four to me are, we're really close to making a change here. I have Roxann 4 and Web 3. Just a let the cat out of the bag but it's close to me flipping because Rockson, I think Rockson has more pace right now and that doesn't mean this can't be a week in and week out thing. But like look how good Kenny riding. Kenny is on rails right now and Webb is, he's good but you know, the crash and like he did win the heat. Kudos to that. But Roczen has had more speed than Coop as of late. He just has and they're like, you know, like they're. Rockson should have passed Webb and points now I think I haven't looked at it but I would think rocks and pass him in points and he's been faster. So I'm, I'm almost there. Like show me again in Detroit. Rocks and beats Webb again. He's moving. I, I'm, I'm giving Webb the benefit of the doubt because he has three titles to Rocks and zero and he was much better than him a year ago and has been consistently in championships. That's why he has three titles. But I'm running out of patience for that. Like I'm going to have to make a move soon. So that's your rocks and web four three. Tomac is two and that's the big one. You, you can already know where I'm going. Tomac 2, Hunter 1. And for Tomac I did a report after the race. He dropped 30 seconds back and I, I don't think he was feeling great with the track because you could see him when Kenny passed him, he just checked out. And Eli really had nothing to, to offer and I, I just wonder somewhere in there if Eli made the decision like, hey, I can't go the pace and I'm not going to take chances if I can't. For what? Like if I can't get first or second, it doesn't benefit me to take a lot of risk and lose by six seconds. Right? Like if I'm a few seconds back from Kenny, I still get third, I still get the same amount of points. It doesn't matter if and this, on this pace, there's no chance of me crashing on that pace to hang with those guys or try. There's a really big chance of me crashing. I kind of think that was how this played out because I don't think Eli was just like, I'm giving it everything I have and I got dropped by 30 seconds. That's not how it works typically. It's just not how racing for these guys plays out. My assumption would be at some point, halfway, you know, like maybe a little bit before, ey just said, well I don't have the pace to go with them and if I, if I override the racetrack, the risk ratio becomes a net negative for me. Now I'm into a range where I'm taking a lot of risk and I don't even know if I can go their pace anyway. Right now they, they're really locked in and I'm going to have to up my game which puts me in danger of crashing. And I still don't know if that's enough. And when that happens, riders are self aware enough to realize that happens, they're going to back it down. And luckily for Eli, he's good enough where him backing it down could still keep him in third. And that's the beneficial part. Had like Webb been on it or Jacob been crushing it or Malcolm been on it like then he would have had a real problem. If he had to push just to stay in third, that would have been more problematic. But to stay in third, take your kind of quote unquote bad night in third is not such A terrible thing. He wasn't happy after the race. Like, he wasn't raging pissed, but he wasn't happy. No one wants to get beat by 30 seconds, but some of those nights you just have to be aware, you just have to understand that this is the best that it's going to get for tonight and be willing to accept it. You have to be willing to accept it on nights like that. And I think he was. So we'll see. Detroit's going to be really important because if Hunter beats Tomac again, I think it's going to go double digits. And I know I got the points wrong in the middle of the race. I, I, I get it. I'm trying to do math in my head and got it wrong, whatever. But I think that goes to double digits if Hunter wins again. Who knows if he does or not? But it's just one of those things. You kind of have to watch the ebb and flow and the momentum and the points and all these things. But that was, that was a huge one for, for Hunter. He's in command of the series right now. Like he really is. Look at his starts, look at his fitness, look at, look at the, the confidence level that's growing. He, I think he fully believes he's the best guy now. Like, yes, he knows Kenny's was coming. He knows Kenny's really fast, but Kenny's not in the championship anymore, so he kind of doesn't care. Every time he does this, every time he seals the deal and finishes and closes the deal, his confidence grows and he's going, it's going to get a little bit easier and a little bit easier. And when they, somebody's like, Kenny's catching him, he's gonna be like, ah, you're not gonna get me, though. Yeah, cool. You put in some great laps. We all know you have a lot of speed, but you're not gonna be able to get to me and then do anything about it. That, that develops over time. That mental fortitude develops over time. And you can see it happening with Hunter in real time. He might already be there. Maybe I'm behind saying it's happening, but you can see it, you can see him believing now. And belief is a powerful, powerful factor in racing. And I think it's, it is, it's a real thing for Hunter. Like, it is, it's changed right in front of us. We've watched it change during the course of this season and Hunter's the real deal. So congratulations, Hunter Lawrence. You deserve all of this. And it's going to be fascinating to see if he can win his first championship. Thank you to everybody for listening. I know it was a quick one. Thank you to Guts Racing. Thank you you to Works connection unmatched supplements race-rentals.com Grantstone boots works. Excuse me. Firepower Parts Fly Racing. Thank you to everybody. Thank you for listening and we will talk to you soon.