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Today we’re talking to one of the greatest living writers, George Saunders. He is the author of 12 books, including Tenth of December, Pastoralia, Swimming in a Pond in the Rain, and Lincoln in the Bardo which won the the Booker Prize. Three of his books were included in the New York Times’ top 100 books of the 21st century so far, and his work is noted for its humanity and unique, often experimental narrative style. He’s the king of short stories and has one of the best selling pages on Substack.

His newest release, Vigil, is about a lady called Jill Blaine who has died in an explosion. She comes back to earth to help guide people who are dying to the afterlife and provide comfort in their final moments. But she meets her match in KJ Boone – an owner of an oil company who have caused immense damage to the climate, all while he denied climate change. He is a bad person, and yet Jill wants to empathise with him. The third major player in the novel is called The Frenchman – he is the man who invented the first engine. He feels a lot of guilt about how his inventions were used, unlike KJ Boone.

Here’s what happened when I chatted with George Saunders.

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