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Episode: Finding the content-market fit your customers care about with Ross Simmonds
Host: Nathan Isaacs (UserTesting)
Guest: Sangram Vajre (Co-founder, Terminus & GTM Partners; creator of Flip My Funnel)
Date: October 27, 2025
Duration: ~46 minutes

Episode Overview

In this episode, Nathan Isaacs sits down with Sangram Vajre—renowned for pioneering Account-Based Marketing (ABM) and the influential “Flip My Funnel” movement. Their engaging conversation explores the evolution of customer-centric growth strategies, the transformative power of community over transactional marketing, and the impact of advancing technologies (including AI and the rise of fractional leadership) on modern go-to-market (GTM) approaches. Sangram shares formative stories, practical frameworks, and actionable advice for leaders aiming to design experiences that resonate deeply and drive sustained business results.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Origins: From Customer Focus to Category Creation

Timestamp: 01:39–05:01

• Early Lessons: Sangram reflects on moving from Pardot (acquired by ExactTarget, then Salesforce) and absorbing the “10x to 100x” mindset during these transitions.

• Category Leadership: At Salesforce, he learned the significance of “defining the future” within a product category:

  “Once you become a category leader... you really define how the market is going to behave and work.” (04:00, Sangram)

• Birth of Flip My Funnel: A disruptive idea was born on a bored flight—literally flipping the traditional sales funnel diagram upside down on a napkin, shifting focus from mass lead capture to intentional targeting and advocacy.

2. The Flip My Funnel Movement: Building Community, Not Just Customers

Timestamp: 05:01–11:47

• Serendipity & Simplicity:

  “Out of pure boredom... I literally flipped that napkin upside down.” (05:28, Sangram)

• Movement Over Product: Initial industry events branded as “Flip My Funnel” (not as Terminus) to attract broader participation—including competitors and analysts. This fueled viral engagement, rapid growth, and industry adoption before a product even existed.

• Quote:

  “People would rather be part of a movement than part of a product.” (09:53, Sangram)

• Emotional Resonance: Success came from connecting the broken lead-generation status quo (“less than 1% of leads turn into customers”) with a fresh, community-first model.

3. Lasting Impact: Redefining B2B Marketing & Customer Understanding

Timestamp: 14:01–17:15

• Career Transformation: The Flip My Funnel approach elevated countless professionals into strategic roles, sparked successful agencies built on Sangram’s ABM frameworks, and reshaped B2B targeting logic.

• Enabling Technology: Where personalization once meant merely inserting a name in an email, today’s tools (including AI) make true one-to-one engagement attainable and expected.

  “There is no excuse... for people to not do one-on-one anymore.” (16:03, Sangram)

4. The Rise of Fractional Leadership & Services-as-Software

Timestamp: 17:15–19:52

• Changing Economics: Companies are shifting from hiring full-time ABMers and expensive long-term contracts to engaging specialized fractionals and agencies on focused, flexible projects.

  “It shouldn’t cost you this much to run an ABM program. It should actually cost you a lot less than any other program you run because it should be so targeted.” (18:52, Sangram)

5. Evolving Frameworks: From ABM to MOVE (Market, Operations, Velocity, Expansion)

Timestamp: 19:52–23:14

• Broadening the Lens: The book “MOVE” (co-authored by Sangram) reframes the challenge:

  • Market: Where can you play?
  • Operations: How do you deliver efficiently?
  • Velocity: How do you accelerate growth?
  • Expansion: Where else can you grow?

• Organizational Maturity: Companies should intentionally graduate from “problem-market fit” to “platform-market fit.”

• Quote:

  “If you’re executing the wrong things faster, it will only give you worse results. The thinking is truly important.” (22:54, Sangram)

6. The Modern GTM Community & Certification

Timestamp: 23:14–25:45

• Digital Community: Over 175,000 subscribers to Sangram’s GTM Monday Substack—demonstrating modern, free, scalable distribution versus costly email solutions of the past.

• Fractional Certification: GTM Partners certifies experienced executives to offer GTM advisory/consulting work and build thriving “fractional” practices.

  “You don’t need thousands of roles, just two or three clients... It’s a very good time to have a good amount of experience and build something on your own.” (25:38, Sangram)

7. Fractional as the New Consultancy

Timestamp: 25:45–27:44

• Niche Expertise = Value: A fractional’s deep vertical knowledge (e.g., 20 years in legal tech) delivers immediate ROI for clients, sidestepping generic solutions.

• ABM Parallels:

  “It’s the new ABM... you are helping fractionals target the right accounts.” (27:33, Sangram)

8. Org Alignment: Net Revenue Retention (NRR) as the Key Metric

Timestamp: 28:07–33:38

• Ownership Gap: CEOs claim ownership of GTM, but executive teams often lack clarity on who truly drives alignment.

• One Metric to Rule Them All:

  “If you have to pick one [metric], it’s NRR—net revenue retention.” (28:43, Sangram)

• Growth Leverage: High NRR (120%+) enables exponential growth through customer expansion rather than constant new acquisition.

• Quote:

  “The value of a customer expanding is insanely valuable... That’s why Snowflake, Salesforce have done so well.” (29:09, Sangram)

• Cautionary Tale: Focusing on vanity metrics like pipeline size can be career-limiting when they’re disconnected from real business outcomes.

  “People keep saying AI will take your job... The real reason is they have no idea what the business truly needs.” (33:14, Sangram)

9. AI & the Future of GTM

Timestamp: 36:12–42:04

• Efficiency & Creativity: Every professional should aim to automate at least 30–40% of their manual work, freeing time for strategic thought.

• Data at Scale: AI amplifies customer understanding, guiding product innovation by surfacing “what customers actually do” rather than relying solely on surveys or interviews.

  “AI, when used right, actually can give us so much insight... your product every day should be helping you create new products.” (36:54, Sangram & 39:23, Sangram)

• Delight in Automation: Delivering unexpected value (e.g., automated analytics updates to users) creates genuine customer joy and stickiness.

10. Talent Framework: Dreamer–Doer–Driver

Timestamp: 42:04–45:32

• Hiring Mindset: Success lies in matching mindset (not just skillset) to the company’s growth stage and need for structure, urgency, or vision.

• The Future of Work:

  “Everyone’s a dreamer and a doer; I think the future is going to be someone who can actually take a full step back” by combining experience, personal knowledge management, and tailored AI agents. (43:19–44:30, Sangram)

Notable Quotes

• “Once you become a category leader... you really define how the market is going to behave and work.” (04:00, Sangram)
• “People would rather be part of a movement than part of a product-oriented thing, even though the product company might be funding it.” (09:53, Sangram)
• “There is no excuse... for people to not do one-on-one [personalization] anymore.” (16:03, Sangram)
• “You don’t need to be a LinkedIn influencer to have three or four accounts paying you 5, 10k a month.” (27:41, Sangram)
• “If you have to pick one [metric], it’s NRR—net revenue retention.” (28:43, Sangram)
• “If you’re executing wrong things faster, it will only give you worse results. The thinking... is truly important.” (22:54, Sangram)
• “People keep saying AI will take your job... The real reason is they have no idea what the business needs.” (33:14, Sangram)
• “Your product every day should be helping you create new products...product innovation at scale has never been more possible than now.” (41:45, Sangram)

Actionable Takeaways for Leaders

• Rethink Traditional Funnels: Focus on identifying the right accounts and building advocacy, not just high-volume lead capture.
• Align on NRR: Organize your whole business—sales, marketing, product, CS—around net revenue retention to drive true sustainable growth.
• Prioritize Customer Insight: Use AI and analytics to deeply understand customer behavior and launch innovations that matter.
• Embrace Fractional & Niche Talent: Leverage highly skilled specialists for targeted projects, especially in volatile or rapidly evolving markets.
• Balance Automation & Human Touch: Delegate routine work to AI and focus your energy on strategy, creativity, and authentic connection.

Timestamps for Major Topics

• 01:39 – Sangram’s journey: From Pardot to Salesforce, and category creation mindset
• 04:49 – The Flip My Funnel origin story
• 08:21 – Why Flip My Funnel resonated: Community versus hard sell
• 14:26 – The impact on B2B marketing and personalization
• 17:31 – The rise of fractional leadership & service-as-software
• 19:52 – The MOVE framework explained
• 23:14 – GTM community, certification, and fractional trends
• 28:07 – Org alignment: who owns GTM and the role of NRR
• 33:38 – Risks of vanity metrics; focus on business-critical outcomes
• 36:12 – How AI is revolutionizing customer insight and scale
• 42:04 – Dreamer-Doer-Driver talent framework & matching mindset to role

For Further Learning

• Connect with Sangram Vajre: Find links to GTM Monday, his books, podcast appearances, and more through his LinkedIn (see featured section).
• Explore UserTesting’s Resources: Show notes and curated clips at usertesting.com/podcast

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