Detailed Summary of "Gabe Rosales: From The Stage to the Cell and Back Again"

Podcast Title: Intentionally Disturbing
Host: Dr. Leslie
Guest: Gabe Rosales
Release Date: May 1, 2025

Introduction

In the episode titled "Gabe Rosales: From The Stage to the Cell and Back Again," Dr. Leslie engages in a profound and candid conversation with Gabe Rosales, a seasoned bass player who has experienced the highs of touring with major artists like Jennifer Lopez and the lows of incarceration. The discussion delves into Gabe's tumultuous journey through the music industry, his struggles with addiction, time in prison, and his ongoing efforts in criminal justice reform and rehabilitation.

Gabe's Early Life and Musical Career [02:49 – 05:37]

Gabe Rosales introduces himself as a professional musician who embarked on a demanding career straight out of high school. He toured with a metal band and gradually progressed to playing with high-profile acts in Los Angeles, including Jennifer Lopez, Cypress Hill's Send Dog, and Sheena Easton.

Gabe Rosales [04:18]: "I grew up in an alcoholic household, so some of these bad habits kind of got worse as I was touring."

The pressures of the music industry and being surrounded by seasoned musicians exposed Gabe to heavy drug use, including alcohol and cocaine, which he used as coping mechanisms to handle the intimidation and expectations placed upon him.

Gabe Rosales [05:07]: "It's like being a child kid star. It's like eventually you're gonna get old and you're not gonna be relevant anymore."

Descent into Addiction and Incarceration [05:37 – 09:35]

As Gabe's career advanced, so did his substance abuse, leading to severe health issues. At 25, doctors diagnosed him with liver damage, prompting his downward spiral into deeper addiction and eventual incarceration for aggravated assault.

Gabe Rosales [05:59]: "When I was 25 years old, the doctors told me I had the liver of a 70-year-old man."

His time in prison became a pivotal turning point, exposing him to the stark realities of the criminal justice system, including racial dynamics, gang hierarchies, and the harsh conditions within California's carceral facilities.

Gabe Rosales [08:11]: "I ended up getting locked up for a little bit, and that was a catalyzing moment in my life."

Life Inside Jail: Experience and Reflections [09:35 – 18:02]

During his incarceration, Gabe reflected deeply on his actions and the systemic issues within the prison system. He faced the immediate consequences of his violent behavior, including an altercation that led to physical harm to someone he cared about.

Gabe Rosales [10:16]: "I threw a chair, a plate. I started... I wanted to break everything in the house."

Gabe advocates for empathy and understanding, emphasizing that many incarcerated individuals have unresolved traumas and that harsh incarceration does not address the root causes of criminal behavior.

Gabe Rosales [12:22]: "It's a wake-up call, you know, it's like you can't. You have to face that at some point."

He distinguishes between jail and prison, highlighting how legislation like Prop 47 in California has blurred these lines, leading to longer incarcerations in county jails that were initially intended for short-term detentions.

Gabe Rosales [14:25]: "Jails are supposed to be short term... but now, because of certain legislation in California, you could serve up to five to 10 years in county jail."

Prison Dynamics and Correctional Systems [18:02 – 35:32]

Gabe provides an in-depth look into the inner workings of prisons, discussing the corruption among correctional officers, the illicit drug trade within, and the self-governed inmate hierarchies that maintain order.

Gabe Rosales [28:43]: "Some guys would come in, just mess with us, shoot pepper spray into ourselves just for fun."

He explains how inmates often have to navigate a complex ecosystem of protection, reciprocity, and internal discipline without relying on the corrupt correctional staff.

Gabe Rosales [34:09]: "We had this reciprocal ecosystem. Because someone that's incarcerated might make the CO's life easier by doing something like making sure that this other drama is squashed."

Gabe recounts the challenges of maintaining one's integrity and the constant pressure to conform to gang-related expectations, further complicating rehabilitation efforts.

Gabe Rosales [33:49]: "It's community and protection... it's part of running the facility."

Rehabilitation and Working with Inmates [35:32 – 57:09]

After his release, Gabe pivoted towards education and rehabilitation. He pursued higher education, earning a bachelor's degree in criminology and entering a Ph.D. program at the University of California, Irvine. His experiences in prison led him to work with programs like "Jail Guitar Doors," where he teaches songwriting and music therapy to incarcerated individuals, aiming to provide them with creative outlets for processing emotions and traumas.

Gabe Rosales [09:35]: "My whole goal too is whatever I'm researching is to be able to put that out in other means... Maybe I'll do another podcast."

He emphasizes the importance of restorative justice and addressing the traumas that lead individuals to commit crimes, advocating for a system that supports both victims and rehabilitated individuals.

Gabe Rosales [61:16]: "We should be working on ways to have them both heal at the same time."

Gabe also critiques the current prison system's focus on punishment over rehabilitation, highlighting the need for systemic changes to support reintegration and reduce recidivism.

Gabe Rosales [59:28]: "Prisons aren't the answer. At least the way prisons are right now in California."

Call to Action and Future Endeavors [58:50 – 66:16]

In concluding the episode, Gabe urges listeners to engage with their communities through volunteer work, mentorship programs, and supporting reentry initiatives that help prevent individuals from falling back into the criminal justice system.

Gabe Rosales [65:22]: "It's so powerful. And if more people did that, then it's like, a lot less kids would go through the crack, fall through the cracks, and we'd be spending less money too."

He outlines his future plans, including completing his Ph.D., releasing another music album, and possibly expanding his outreach through platforms like YouTube to further advocate for prison reform and rehabilitative programs.

Gabe Rosales [64:00]: "Go volunteer at your local jail or prison for sure... you’d have a completely different perception of who’s inside."

Gabe concludes by expressing gratitude for the opportunity to share his story and hopes that listeners will take his message to heart and contribute to meaningful change.

Gabe Rosales [66:04]: "I hope people listen and take pay attention."

Notable Quotes

• Gabe Rosales [05:07]:

  "It's like being a child kid star. It's like eventually you're gonna get old and you're not gonna be relevant anymore."

• Gabe Rosales [09:41]:

  "The worst thing I've ever done is almost murdered two people."

• Gabe Rosales [28:43]:

  "It's a reciprocal ecosystem... the residents, the people that are living there are running everything because we're the ones who do the discipline."

• Dr. Leslie [59:35]:

  "Prisons aren't the answer. At least the way prisons are right now in California."

• Gabe Rosales [65:22]:

  "If more people did that, then it's like, a lot less kids would go through the crack, fall through the cracks, and we'd be spending less money too."

Conclusion

"Gabe Rosales: From The Stage to the Cell and Back Again" offers a raw and insightful exploration into the complexities of addiction, the pitfalls of the criminal justice system, and the transformative power of education and rehabilitation. Through Gabe's experiences, Dr. Leslie highlights critical issues within prisons and underscores the importance of empathy, restorative justice, and systemic reform to foster meaningful change both for incarcerated individuals and society at large.

Notable Mention: The episode also includes interspersed segments promoting other iHeartPodcasts shows such as "United States of Kennedy" and "Afterlives," though these are excluded from the main content summary as per guidelines.