Mailbag time!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Intentionally Disturbing – "Mailbag Time!"

Episode Information:

• Title: Mailbag Time!
• Host/Author: iHeartPodcasts
• Release Date: May 29, 2025

Overview: In the "Mailbag Time!" episode of Intentionally Disturbing, host Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson, a seasoned forensic and clinical psychologist, engages in a candid and insightful conversation with her producer, Liam Billingham. The episode delves into listener-submitted questions, exploring the intersections of psychology, human behavior, parenting, and personal anecdotes, all delivered with Leslie's signature blend of sarcasm, satire, and dark humor.

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1. Introducing the Team

The episode begins with Leslie welcoming her producer, Liam Billingham, highlighting their collaborative dynamic. Leslie expresses her admiration for Liam's ability to keep the show engaging without succumbing to "bullshit."

Notable Quote:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [02:05]: "I've found Liam to be... happy and wonderful and really, really good."

2. Clarifying Professional Roles

Leslie takes a moment to distinguish her role as a psychologist from that of a pathologist, emphasizing her specialization in the interplay between mental illness, crime, and the legal system. This clarification sets the stage for the depth and seriousness of the discussions to follow.

Notable Quote:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [03:11]: "I'm a psychologist who specializes in the interplay of mental illness, crime, and the legal system."

3. Navigating Listener Questions

The core of the episode revolves around Leslie and Liam addressing a series of listener-submitted questions. These questions range from the disturbing to the mundane, providing a platform for both deep psychological insights and relatable personal stories.

a. Handling Disturbing Content:

Leslie shares her experiences dealing with severe crimes, including a particularly grotesque case involving a "porta potty murderer." She discusses the psychological profiles of such individuals, emphasizing that some exhibit no remorse and appear almost robotic.

Notable Quote:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [15:08]: "He would strangle them and kill them, put them in the porta potties, cover them in feces... that is one of the worst crimes I can think of."

b. True Evil vs. Environmental Influence:

A profound discussion ensues on whether individuals committing heinous crimes are products of inherent evil or shaped by their environments. Leslie presents a nuanced perspective, suggesting that while some individuals may have inherently broken psychological structures, environmental factors also play a significant role.

Notable Quote:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [18:21]: "I wouldn't necessarily call it evil, but I would say that their brain or their mind is so broken from birth..."

4. Personal Insights: Marriage and Balancing Roles

Leslie and Liam delve into their personal lives, discussing the challenges of maintaining a healthy marriage while juggling demanding careers. They humorously recount their minor domestic disputes, such as disagreements over furniture placement, highlighting how their professional expertise sometimes spills into their personal interactions.

Notable Quote:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [07:54]: "He told me that marriage in your 40s is just with children."

5. Parenting Perspectives and Challenges

The conversation shifts to parenting, with both hosts sharing their struggles and strategies. They tackle topics like parenting fails, effective communication with children, and fostering resilience and self-awareness in their kids.

Notable Quote:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [28:44]: "I try really hard not to threaten my kids, but I inevitably always fall into the threats."

6. Coping Mechanisms for Professionals

Leslie discusses the emotional toll of working with disturbing material daily and shares her coping mechanisms, such as online shopping and dissociation. She emphasizes the importance of maintaining boundaries between professional and personal life to preserve mental well-being.

Notable Quote:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [32:31]: "I spend a lot of my day doing my makeup and online shopping, so let's not forget about that."

7. Humor and Light-Hearted Moments

Throughout the episode, Leslie and Liam infuse humor to balance the heavy topics. Their banter about honorary doctorates, pedal toe preferences, and humorous hypothetical questions adds levity, making the intense subject matter more approachable.

Notable Quote:

• Liam Billingham [34:31]: "If the world weren't collapsing, maybe you could get an honorary doctorate."

8. Looking Ahead: Future Episodes

The hosts hint at future episodes focusing on specific themes such as parenting, marriage, and high-level psychological questions. This tease keeps listeners engaged and eager for more in-depth discussions.

Notable Quote:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [37:35]: "We can just do different themes. Parenting, celebrity maybe is one that we'll do Marriage..."

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Conclusion: "Mailbag Time!" offers a compelling blend of professional insight and personal storytelling, anchored by Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson's expertise in forensic psychology and her authentic rapport with producer Liam Billingham. The episode successfully navigates through disturbing psychological content, practical parenting advice, and the complexities of maintaining personal relationships amidst demanding careers—all while maintaining an engaging and relatable tone. This episode is a testament to the podcast's mission of exploring the depths of the human psyche with depth, darkness, and a touch of wit.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [03:11]: "I'm a psychologist who specializes in the interplay of mental illness, crime, and the legal system."
• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [15:08]: "He would strangle them and kill them, put them in the porta potties, cover them in feces... that is one of the worst crimes I can think of."
• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [18:21]: "I wouldn't necessarily call it evil, but I would say that their brain or their mind is so broken from birth..."
• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [28:44]: "I try really hard not to threaten my kids, but I inevitably always fall into the threats."
• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [32:31]: "I spend a lot of my day doing my makeup and online shopping, so let's not forget about that."
• Liam Billingham [34:31]: "If the world weren't collapsing, maybe you could get an honorary doctorate."
• Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson [37:35]: "We can just do different themes. Parenting, celebrity maybe is one that we'll do Marriage..."

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Note: This summary intentionally omits promotional segments related to the "Bone Valley" podcast and focuses solely on the substantive content of the "Mailbag Time!" episode of Intentionally Disturbing.

Transcript

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

This is an iHeart podcast.

[Gilbert King]

Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.

[Jeremy Scott]

Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

[Gilbert King]

I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.

[Jeremy Scott]

At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.

[Gilbert King]

Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Oh, hey, you're here. How do I say your name? Is it bit Billingham.

[Liam Billingham]

The English way. The correct pronunciation, like when I get on a British Airways flights, is Billingham, but, like, Billingham. Billingham is how Americans say it. That's how I say it. Billingham. I don't say Billingham. I'm not English. I mean, I am, but I'm much more Billingham identify much more with the Irish side of the heritage than the English side.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

So interesting.

[Liam Billingham]

This is a good start. Let's just keep going.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Are we recording?

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, yeah.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Oh, yes.

[Liam Billingham]

I've been recording for, like, 39 seconds. Get with it.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Okay.

[Liam Billingham]

Dobson. How do you say Dobson?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Dobson.

[Liam Billingham]

Dobson. Dobson.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I actually hate my name. My name is Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson and maybe Cook. But, like, during COVID I didn't finish the name processing, so my kids all have different names too, and so I don't know if it's Leslie or Leslie.

[Liam Billingham]

My sister shares a first and middle name with you.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Really?

[Liam Billingham]

Isn't that wild?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Well, we're kindred spirits.

[Liam Billingham]

No, you're not.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Okay. Liam Billingham. Liam Billingham.

[Liam Billingham]

Yes. Hi. Hi, everyone.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Okay, let's just, like, be really honest here. We had a cancellation in the episode, and I have a million questions from followers, and I find Liam to be. Who is my producer to be. Very, very depressed and dark. No, I'm just kidding. Happy and wonderful and really, really good.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, I'm good at my job, but I'm not gonna pretend that I'm like Mr. Positivity around the state of the world. Let's say that I'm from Boston, but I consider myself a New Yorker by attitude and duration of time living in one place as an adult. Yeah.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

So a New Yorker.

[Liam Billingham]

Can I drink water on the air?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I guess. So I get really serious. Your backdrop is. I mean, very. Everything looks so great. Well, listen, I'm really glad that most of the show is audio last.

[Liam Billingham]

All right? Can we just get on with the program? Okay. So.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Okay, sir. Liam, you know that I get asked really asinine Things all of the time.

[Liam Billingham]

I mean, some of these questions are, no offense to your listeners, but some of these questions are wild, asinine. No offense, but there are some good ones, too. You got some good ones?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah. I mean, I think it's good to clarify that I'm not a pathologist, that I don't go out to crime scenes, I don't pull apart dead bodies or anything like that. That I'm a psychologist who specializes in the interplay of mental illness, crime, and the legal system.

[Liam Billingham]

Explain that to me, an idiot.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I. I got a lot of school and I went to school a lot. And I'm hoping my student loans get paid off. And if they don't, I might. I might get violent, but.

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, they're not going to get paid off. I don't know if you've been reading the news lately.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

It's 500,000 doll granted. I bought a lot of sweatshirts on school campus with my.

[Liam Billingham]

Using your student loans.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah.

[Liam Billingham]

Okay, well, pro tip. Never buy the, the, the like stuff on campus. You buy it at the, like, crappy bookstore down the street. That's what you do.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Well, the campus had a hair salon. It was Colorado State. It was so awesome. Okay, so I got a doctorate. And so this is my best tip for people. If you want to do something like what I'm doing, you get a general doctorate in clinical psychology, and then you get all experiences in forensic work. So with people with severe mental illness or people in the criminal justice system. So probation, parole, they're in jail or they're in prison or they're in state hospitals. So that way you have like, you're like this unstoppable psychological mind. You know all the clinical stuff and then you know how to deal with all the predators. So here's the key. When you get burned out and you fucking hate your career, you can bounce all over the place. Like I have. Yeah.

[Liam Billingham]

As a guy who has an undergrad in acting and a master's degree in filmmaking, I can't relate to any of that because my two degrees are useless. No, they're not. Actually, I'm glad I have them because you'd be amazed at how many people don't know anything about how to produce because they just started doing it.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Well, the whole world is turning into podcasting. And what I wanted with this podcast and what I'm really happy with meeting you and getting from you and just using you, you know, and underpaying you and texting you at all hours of the.

[Liam Billingham]

You gotta stop that, by the way. Yeah, you know, you're not. It's gotten better.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

It's gotten better. Once you told me, I think that you were gonna bill for it, but I don't know.

[Liam Billingham]

I don't think I told you that, but. Oh, that's a good. I should do that. Next time I'm gonna tell you that. But again, a guy with a film degree and a theater degree isn't thinking about money, so.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

But what sets this show aside is that we actually give space to guests to get to a meaningful point of content, and we. You are editing it so that we don't have this wasted space. And it's. It's ripe, it's thick with value, good and bad, and I like that.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, I appreciate that.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I like the thickness that you offer.

[Liam Billingham]

All right, well, let's just move into the questions then. But no, I. Speaking of thickness, let's. Thickness of value. So I have six questions. They're all good questions, and I'm going to ask them of you because these came from our listeners, watchers, viewers, whatever you want to call people engaged with the show. And if people like this, maybe we'll do more of them around specific topics.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yes, yeah, certainly. Yeah, you can vet them, because some of them are just straight up dick pics, and I don't want to deal with it.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, that's the Internet for you. How do you.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I've never gotten, like, a vagina pic.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, that doesn't surprise me, because men are trash. Except for me. I'm the only good one. Number one, you're married. Leslie. Let me get my theater. Let me get my acting degree going. Leslie, you're married to a psychologist. How do you argue? And what was the last argument that you had? Let's start with the last argument that you had. What was that?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Okay, I'll be totally honest. The last argument we had was I impulsively bought a chair for my office. I didn't like it. I moved it into my husband's man cave. He has a man cave, and I have a woman's cove. And we watch TV in our separate areas of the home once the kids go to bed. And he told me that marriage in.

[Liam Billingham]

Your 40s is just with children. Right? This is the same thing. I'm watching a movie with headphones on, like these literal headphones, and my wife is on her phone. It's very romantic.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

It's so romantic. We carve out, like, one hour a week to talk to each other.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, that's. That's about. That's about normal. I think at this stage, you know, it is.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

The young kids are completely overwhelming that I don't have the capacity to be the best wife. But I told him that I would bookmark being super good wifeiness later.

[Liam Billingham]

Sure. Yeah. You gave him an IOU for wifeiness? Yes. Got it.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Don't cheat on me and don't leave me. I'll be right back.

[Liam Billingham]

Fantastic. Fantastic.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

So the last argument was him saying, I don't like your chair. And I said, I like the chair. And he said, that's where I stand and look at the fish aquarium and my baseball card collection. And I said, you're extremely rigid. It's just a chair. You can stand a little farther away. And he said, you're invalidating my experience and my emotions. And this is enjoyable for me after a very stressful day. And I said, well, I'm prioritizing the visuals of our home and where to put this chair. And I don't care if I'm invalidating.

[Liam Billingham]

You see, this is, like, tale as old as time. Because, like, your husband's baseball collection is my physical media, meaning DVDs and Blu Rays collection. That's very small. It's like one shelf. But, you know, a lot of the time it's like, do we really need those? And I'm like, yeah, they're like a security blanket a little bit. But I will say that in my house, the aesthetic decisions are made by my wife. And so they're. They're kind of tucked into a corner. You know, I. I don't. I don't take up a lot of space with them. It's those and two guitars. Because I am a man in my 40s, so that's. Yeah, you gotta find that balance.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

But that was. That was like, really our only fight. I don't know if it's because we don't have the energy to fight right now, or it's just we are. We're good pair, maybe. But what I have noticed is he's moving the count. Every time I go into the room, it's like an inch further away from where I put it originally.

[Liam Billingham]

So he's, like, doing it slowly over time so you don't notice. You did say in the course of that that he used the phrase, you're invalidating my experience, which I feel like is like therapist speak. So is this what it's like when two people with your experience, like, you know, you use, like, obfuscation and subterfuge to actually say, like, you're being an asshole, and instead you just say you invalidate My experience, Because.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yes, And I said. I said, you know, you're projecting this perception. You're projecting this perception of invalidation when really I'm just prioritizing the furniture over your well being.

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, so you're prioritizing his furniture over your wealth. Okay, so that, I think, might be a problem. I'm not a therapist.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I mean, reflecting back on it now, I could see that. And I might shoot him a text, but we're not moving the couch.

[Liam Billingham]

Whoa, whoa. Take it easy. Shoot him a text. Don't be too intimate with this conversation. Text. You're right. Sorry. Didn't mean to invalidate your experience.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

You know, actually, in fact, that one night a week where we actually speak to each other, I'll sit in the chair and then we'll bring. I'll say, like, you will talk more if I can sit in the chair.

[Liam Billingham]

How many baseball cards does he have?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Hundreds of thousands.

[Liam Billingham]

And they just like. Are they organized in, like, binders?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

No. So he has wall mounts, and he kind of stacks all of them in wall mounts. And depending on who's flying high in the season or what sport is up, he'll replace the cards.

[Liam Billingham]

Wow. It's like the 21st century toy train in the garage, kind of. See, I can't. Yeah, that's a lot of work.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

But I fully recognize that he is from Illinois. He was a fisherman. He's very calm. He's very grounded, and I'm nothing.

[Liam Billingham]

You don't say?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

No, I don't. And we have the same. We've had the same jobs. He's a forensic psychologist. So I think one of the best stories with him was we got asked to go to Cal Poly and talk about our jobs. And we were in these roundtable groups so the students could hop around and go ask a different professional about their job. And then everybody had to fill out feedback afterwards.

[Liam Billingham]

Blind date, job hunt.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yes. It was great for the students, but the feedback was, oh, my God, Dr. Cook has the most amazing job. I am so intrigued by what he does. And then the feedback was, Dr. Leslie or Dr. Dobson has the worst job. I would never want to do what she does. It sounds horrifying. And at the time we worked.

[Liam Billingham]

Try being your producer.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Wes and I had the same job at the time.

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, so it's kind of all about how you pitch the job, isn't it? That's really what it's about.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Exactly. We're in that.

[Liam Billingham]

Interesting.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

We'll be right back after this break.

[Gilbert King]

Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield. In Bone Valley Season one. I just knew him as a kid. Long, silent voices from his past came.

[Jeremy Scott]

Forward, and he was just staring at me.

[Gilbert King]

And they had secrets of their own to share.

[Jeremy Scott]

Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.

[Gilbert King]

I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.

[Jeremy Scott]

Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

[Gilbert King]

I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.

[Jeremy Scott]

If the cops and everything would have done the job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.

[Gilbert King]

I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.

[Jeremy Scott]

At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.

[Gilbert King]

Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy.

[Liam Billingham]

Jeremy, I want to tell you something.

[Gilbert King]

Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content, subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Liam Billingham]

All right, well, in order to keep us on track, let's go to question number two. But that was very illuminating about being married to a person who does a similar job than you, which I did not do. Number two. This. It's hilariously to me, and you'll find out why, is the second most disturbing question. The most disturbing question is number three, which I'll ask after this. But number two.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Oh, God, I'm scared.

[Liam Billingham]

Worst crime one of your clients has ever committed.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

That just gave me a flashback.

[Liam Billingham]

Okay, I didn't mean to invalidate you being present in the moment. I'm sorry.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Sorry. I prefer to, like, dissociate in all accounts. But anyway, so I'm here. I'm here now with part of my brain, like, 20% picturing this. So there's actually two. Two crimes that really. Well, there's three, but they really stick with me.

[Liam Billingham]

Pick one.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Okay, let's keep it tight.

[Liam Billingham]

I'm your producer. Let's pick one. So, folks, you're hearing the behind the scenes of what this is actually like.

[Jeremy Scott]

Okay?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

And you can Google this. How I learned of this was not because it was a client, because it was on tv. Really. And this court case was everywhere. And then I got to be a part of the court case. But.

[Liam Billingham]

So you came to it later.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I came to it later.

[Liam Billingham]

Got it.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Because, as you know, when you commit a crime, you go to jail and then prison or state hospital.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, some people do, yeah.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah. Or, or you get into politics, but whatever you want to do with your psychopathy. So this individual, his court case. I became a part of his court case later. So it's all public record. And so he would. He would steal porta Potty trucks and he would have porta potties in them. And he would go to festivals and he would drive up and he would say to young girls going into the festivals that if they wanted to hop in the truck. Truck with him that they could get into the festival for free because he could like backdoor it because he was going to exchange the porta potties. Okay, so that's fine and all theft, whatever, kidnapping. But then he would strangle them and kill them, put them in the porta potties, cover them in feces. Once they were dead, he would rape them and then he would leave them in the porta potties, put the porta potties into the festival so that they would then be further covered in feces and whatever excrement goes in those porta potties. That is one of the worst crimes I can think of.

[Liam Billingham]

Question number three.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

How did that make you feel, Liam?

[Liam Billingham]

I mean, not great, but I guess that's the point of the show. It's intentionally disturbing.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah, I mean, can you believe that people like that exist?

[Liam Billingham]

I suppose I can. I'm a little, you know, you think I'm like negative, but I'm like a pretty try to find. It's very hard these days.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I'm glad that, that this brought positivity out of you.

[Liam Billingham]

I don't know, I tried to see the best in people, but I guess there are just some trouble people. Well, actually, you know what, let's do, let's do something. Let's skip question number three because I think question. We'll come back to it because I think question number four relates to what you just said and all the thoughts around an art brains number right now. So question number four per your Porta Potty Murderer story is do you believe in true evil or do you think everyone is a product of their environment?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Oh, it's an interesting question.

[Liam Billingham]

Deep question.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

It's a deep question. I was raised very, very atheist as I talked about on one of our other shows with, with the medium, Lisa. And I actually really think Lisa could see dead people. And so I felt confused. But then I also went to university and it was Christian. And so then I just kind of got to a place where I was non judgmental, still confused, but working with.

[Liam Billingham]

Some of the most ancient Christians, historically non judgmental.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

People, yes. What the Christians are donating to the woman who used the N word against a child right now. That's trending news.

[Liam Billingham]

Right, I saw that.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

That's horrifying. So wait, I forgot the question.

[Liam Billingham]

Do you believe in true evil, or do you think that everyone is a product of their environment? So kind of like a nature nurture kind of deal.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

So I've met some of the most dangerous people in the entire world who never. They had no remorse, they had no care, and they had no desire to make anything better. They had no feelings even being locked up. They didn't really care. They just kind of were robots around the world, around the hospitals or the prisons. And so what I would do is I would do these violence risk assessments. So I would go. I do all this testing with them. So a lot of it was talking back and forth with them, having to be in the room with them, get stuff out of them, try to figure out if they're lying. We would do objective testing, but I would do chart reviews. And chart reviews included collateral information, pictures of their crimes, everything about them, and education. Right. Behavioral issues. And what I found in a lot of the most severe cases was that they were doing horrible things at age 4 or 5. And more than half the time, it was not because of the parents or the environment. Like, there were cases where white supremacists would torture children at young ages 4 or 5 years old. They'd hide in the trees, and they would leave children alone in the woods at night to start to build up their strength so that they could be white supremacists, too. I mean, we had all these crazy cases that turned.

[Liam Billingham]

Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

It's crazy, right? And it turned people into very, very, very mentally ill people. But it also brought out this inherent desire to harm people, and they just built on that, and they enjoyed harming people over time. So many people that I met, there are bodies buried that we will never find, and they have done so much worse than we know. And so I wouldn't necessarily call it evil, but I would say that their brain or their mind is so broken from birth, like their amygdala, their structures, there's no coming back from it.

[Liam Billingham]

But if you, like, say the opposite were true, someone was born with these broken structures in their brain, and they were in a nurturing, positive, loving environment. Do you think the opposite could happen? Like, do you think you could develop that?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

It depends on the severity. And that's where science is going more and more. Right. We're looking at, like, The Amens Clinic. We're looking at people's brains. We're looking at a veteran who, you know, just got back from combat, and we're looking at the heat in their brain to see the trauma. But there are brain slides, brain analysis of psychobass. A lot are dead now, and they can really look at their brains and there's nothing there.

[Liam Billingham]

You mean like the structures that make the brain work are not there?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Like, there's no emotion. There wouldn't even be a capacity to build on.

[Liam Billingham]

Hmm. Do you think people are inherently good or inherently bad or somewhere in the middle?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Oh, that's a hard question. I think. I think as a therapist, people are inherently selfish and we misinterpret a lot of acts as malicious when they are more just self protective and caring. And people are ignorant to the impact it has on others.

[Liam Billingham]

So it's kind of like people believe in self preservation above everything else.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yes. Without. Without great insight or an understanding of their impact on others. But then on the opposite. Opposite side of that, we have individuals who are highly impacted by others and don't have the boundaries to keep themselves from being hurt by others. Because if I say something on this podcast, I'm not talking to all of the people listening. I'm talking to you and sharing my experience. It doesn't mean that that should have a direct impact on a listener. Right. So you can't. I always tell my clients this. You can't be a sponge. You got to be more like a pumice stone. You know, like the water doesn't stay inside the pumice stone.

[Liam Billingham]

Right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. And I think that some of that self preservation or interpreting, Interpreting things as like being about you is. Is a. Is a nurture. Is caused by nurture and parenting and all these kind of elements. You know, I come from a historically sensitive people, and I think some of that is the way that people are parented in the Boston Irish Catholic community. So I can criticize that with like the.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

The Karen Reid trial going on nowadays. I mean, they don't. They don't seem very sensitive, but they're also. They're also hiding a murder, so that's okay.

[Liam Billingham]

It's also a very insular community, I can say with a pretty high degree of expertise in that area. Interesting. Okay, this is, this. Oh, go ahead. I did. I'm cutting you off from another point.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Well, I was gonna say, do you think I would never perceive Bostonians as sensitive.

[Liam Billingham]

Because they shield it with this, you know, I don't wanna. I can't speak for everyone, but there's a certain amount of, like, deep down insecurity because this. It's the city of we think you're better than me. Like, that's kind of part of the mentality there. And I think that that is rooted in, like, in a kind of sensitivity. Not everyone's like that, of course, but the joke. The jokes are. They are. The joke has roots in reality. Let's just say that.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

What's your. What movie do you think is. Is the most showing or telling or truthful of Boston?

[Liam Billingham]

That. You're really putting me on the spot here.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Is there a Wahlberg in it?

[Liam Billingham]

I think. I hope not. I think probably. I mean, it's kind of cliche to say, but I think there's. Okay. I'll highlight, actually who I think is a great Boston actor and therefore highlight two of his movies. Who is Matt Damon? And it's Matt Damon in the Departed when he plays the, like, notably cocky, cocksure double agent mobster police officer who also is infertile. And that's a huge part of his personality, is that he can't get it up. And then two is him in Goodwill hunting when he plays the like, which has the, like, the classic, you know, like, it's not your fault. You know, that scene like that. That is very much a. That's very, I think, accurate. I showed that to a friend from Boston who'd never seen it, and he was like, too real.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Really?

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, that movie, he's like, you know, it's a little. It's a little sentimental at times, but that's an accurate. That's an accurate stereotype. My parents are from where that movie takes place, so. And another really good Boston movie is Gone Baby Gone. That might get at the alcoholism and anger and rage at the core of the. Of elements of that culture, like, everywhere. But I can only speak to the.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Place that I'm from and the impact of the weather. I mean, you all must have seasonal affective disorder, but be in denial about it.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, a lot of denial, but that's. That's just kind of how you survive.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

How do you like them apples?

[Liam Billingham]

How do you like them apples? I got a number.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

And it's time for a break.

[Gilbert King]

Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley Season one. I just knew him as a kid. Long silent voices from his past came.

[Jeremy Scott]

Forward, and he was just staring at me.

[Gilbert King]

And they had secrets of their own. To share.

[Jeremy Scott]

Gilbert King. I'm the son of Jeremy Lynn Scott.

[Gilbert King]

I was no longer just telling the story. I was part of it.

[Jeremy Scott]

Every time I hear about my dad, it's, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

[Gilbert King]

I was becoming the bridge between a killer and the son he'd never known.

[Jeremy Scott]

If the cops and everything would have done the job properly, my dad would have been in jail. I would have never existed.

[Gilbert King]

I never expected to find myself in this place. Now I need to tell you how I got here.

[Jeremy Scott]

At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.

[Gilbert King]

Bone Valley Season 2 Jeremy.

[Liam Billingham]

Jeremy, I want to tell you something.

[Gilbert King]

Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts and to hear the entire new season ad free with exclusive content. Subscribe to Lava for Good plus on Apple Podcasts.

[Liam Billingham]

Question number four was three. Now is four, because we wanted to have a little true evil conversation. So this is. This was the most disturbing question until you told me the porta potty thing.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Oh, I have more.

[Liam Billingham]

My. That's good. My husb. This is the question. My husband likes to suck my toes. Does that make him a pedophile? Can I answer this one?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Is that a real question?

[Liam Billingham]

No. I mean, yes, it is a real question.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Do people. Do people like that really exist? Not the toe sucker. The person who actually worries about the toe sucking, I suppose.

[Liam Billingham]

I mean, you. You got the question, so you tell me.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I know. Okay, so, one. I'm sure there are pedophiles who suck toes, but no, you don't have to suck toes to be a pedophile.

[Liam Billingham]

It's not like a Venn diagram where it's. They're. They're. They're only in. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

But it's probably a fetish. I also think that it's probably a healthy fetish because then the person probably doesn't have, like, a fear of germs or ocd. And we can kind of rule out other diagnoses if someone's down with sucking a dirty toe. So I would actually say, good for you, good for your husband. That's a healthy way to gain intimacy. Yeah, I would not be down for it because I think that's personally utterly disgusting. If you're going to suck something, I'll give you something else to suck.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, there we go. There you have it. Okay, we got two more questions, and these are around parenting. How old are your kids?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Four and eight.

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, yeah. I'M in that zone too. Seven and two.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah, I'm struggling. I really.

[Liam Billingham]

Who isn't so the first. So speaking of struggling, what's a recent parenting fail?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I mean, there's just so many.

[Liam Billingham]

Reason, like today, an hour ago, 45 minutes ago. What are we talking about here?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I mean, I try really hard not to threaten my kids, but I inevitably always fall into the threats. I mean, one was me saying, I'm gonna throw out your stuffies, your stuffed animals, if you don't stop. And my 4 year old responded with, that's not fair. You should recycle them.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, that's. I mean, at least she's thinking about our Mother Earth. Yeah. Doesn't seem to work very well the, the threats. And it sort of goes against the gentle parenting that we're all.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I don't believe in gentle parenting. But coming from my boomer father, he tells me I overly communicate with the children, which gives them the confidence to, are you back with me? But isn't that ultimately not listen.

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, sorry. But isn't that ultimately what you want is your kids too? Because, like, I think that like, mentality wise, like, yeah, kids when we were younger were like, kids, you're a kid. Shut up. But now I think it's like, no, you want to like, practice the skills that you want them to have later in life. And one of those should be like a healthy distrust of authority, 100%.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Like my daughter, someone at school said to her, I don't. My mom doesn't like your mom because she doesn't, she doesn't like her videos or something. And my daughter turned to her and said, my mom works every day to help people like you, and she doesn't even know you. My daughter's 8. And I was like, that's pretty prettosious. Yeah, that is exactly like, like, rein it in a little bit, honey. But that, like, you know, your boundaries and I'm happy.

[Liam Billingham]

Yeah. And I think parents, parents or parents age did never like apologize to their kids or I think part of a role of younger parents is to be like, hey, sorry, I screwed up just then and, you know, was too harsh with you or whatever the case was. Because then that they get in their mind like, oh, yeah, that's right. That wasn't cool. Like, that wasn't. I should be, you know, Whereas I think an older generation of people or people our age are a little more like, what did I do wrong? Whereas the kids have the mentality of like, you know, there are things they do wrong, but a lot of the time. The things that they so called do wrong are just, like, stand up for themselves.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I'm all for, you know, empowering the kids to stand up for themselves and then apologizing later, you know, especially in situations where they may be unsafe. You know, I talked to my daughter about how do you know if somebody's homeless, psychotic, and dangerous versus just got off their job doing construction? And what she likes is she likes to look at their shoes. She likes to, like, if the shoes are really, like, ripped up, it's a good sign that they're homeless. And they might be potentially on drugs or mentally ill and impulsive.

[Liam Billingham]

I tell her both can be true.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah, they might just be homeless. I'm really jaded.

[Liam Billingham]

She's gonna be, like, aware of the situation and what your boundaries are and those environments. Yeah.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

And, you know, if she's wrong, then whatever. We'll figure it out later in apologies. But she's safe.

[Liam Billingham]

Yeah, for sure. Question. This is our last question of the Q and A. We'll do maybe more of these in the future, but for for now, here it is. 6. You spend your whole day consumed by murder and pedophiles and other disturbing material. How do you switch that off when you go home at the end of the day?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I mean, I spend a lot of my day doing my makeup and online shopping, so let's not forget about that.

[Liam Billingham]

So, like, disassociating?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah, pretty much. Yeah.

[Liam Billingham]

That makes sense.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I'm on the real, real, like, pretty much every day.

[Liam Billingham]

What is that?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

It's a consignment. Shopping online.

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, I get it. Okay. Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

It'S hard. I have to. So the reason I quit working inside the institutions was because it became too hard to take my armor off and be vulnerable with my kids. And as I started to notice that the fatigue was coming from switching roles, I quit. And I got into a job that, you know, at least we're talking about rape and pedophilia and murder, necrophilia, decapitation, all that stuff. We're talking about it on the outside, so I'm not, like, locked inside with them anymore.

[Liam Billingham]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

That was, like, the first kind of healthy step, I think. But I do have to kind of pull into the driveway and take a deep breath and say, okay, it's mom time. And the more I do it, the easier it gets. But as my daughter gets older, I. I can talk to her more about what I actually do, you know, at her level. And I. I'm like, build like I Don't have to have so much of an armor. I don't have to, you know, fake it as much. She knows that that work is stressful and she's starting to kind of understand what a doctor is and what, like a fake doctor is. You know, like a psychologist. That's what everyone calls me.

[Liam Billingham]

You're saying that's a. You're a fake? I don't think that's true, but I think it's more that there are different types of doctors. Right.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

She's starting to understand that. And yeah, like a chiropractor is a doctor. A lawyer.

[Liam Billingham]

Oh, right, right, right, right, right, right. Yeah, yeah. If I got a PhD, I'd be a doctor. I'm not going to get a PhD because as previously noted, I have two other useless degrees. But yeah, that.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah, I definitely think you, Dr. Liam.

[Liam Billingham]

If the world weren't collapsing, maybe you.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Could get an honorary doctorate. Don't all the celebrities get the fake ones?

[Liam Billingham]

What would I get an honorary. Who'd give me an honorary doctorate when we win?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

What awards do you win for podcasts? A Grammy.

[Liam Billingham]

Well, you know, they announced today that the Golden Globes are going to start having best podcast in 2026, so.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Are you serious?

[Liam Billingham]

Yeah, I am.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Oh, we're really sinking into a shithole, aren't we? Did that make you stay up at night and cry?

[Liam Billingham]

No, no, because, like, you know, it's. It's all. I mean, it's all just. It's all the same thing. It's just a new. It's just a new. It's just a new thing. Right. So. No, not really. But to come back to it. Yeah, I think you got to kind of like. It's hard to be like, I'll be rushing out the door, having made dinner to pick up my kids, and I have to be like, okay, now I have to answer the questions of a seven year old who doesn't have any awareness of tone or everyone else's mood because they're all id, right? Or are they all ego? Which one would that be?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Well, the ID is the impulsivity. I think the ego is probably just giving them a little too much. They don't have that much ego.

[Liam Billingham]

Right, right, right, right. So it's like.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah, and then the super ego is like, you. Right. And so they're gonna integrate you as their super ego over time as their authority figure because they don't have anything in them yet. Yeah, well, yeah, I did a master's in Freudian psychoanalysis and dream and see, this is.

[Liam Billingham]

And I think my hot take is that we need to bring back more Freudian analysis, because I feel like people. It's much more interesting than the, like, the standard. I mean, you know, or like, my old therapist was a Jungian, and I always thought that was really interesting, too.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Well, he, like, he fucking hated Freud.

[Liam Billingham]

Yeah. There's a great movie about it, A Dangerous Method, so. Yeah.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

But, yeah, I don't want to, like, inject cocaine in my eyeball or use cocaine in any way. But Freud was really, you know, he was really good with it, and he came up with some really cool ideas.

[Liam Billingham]

An important guy. Yeah, sure. Well, that's all I have. Is there anything else you'd like to say? Should we wrap it up?

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

What is anything else we could say in line with what we've been talking about?

[Liam Billingham]

That was a long. That's really good podcasting. That 10 second pause and that's nothing. No, I think that's it. We'll do maybe more of these around. Maybe there'll be an episode, more about your kid, your parenting. Maybe one about, you know, whatever. We can just do different themes. Parenting, celebrity maybe is one that we'll do Marriage. Maybe one where people can ask you kind of like more high, highfalutin questions about therapy and psychology and all these elements.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah.

[Liam Billingham]

And your experience as a forensic pathologist. Just kidding.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Gosh. Yeah. I'm such a good pathologist. We should do a live Q and A where people can ask directly, is it okay if my husband sucks my toes or my fingers or.

[Liam Billingham]

I hope we get that question every time.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

I had a client once who really, really enjoyed putting his penis in. And wrapping paper in.

[Liam Billingham]

Wrapping paper.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Yeah, you know, like the tube of wrapping paper. I don't know if it still had paper on it, but it was like the firm tube. And then he was like.

[Liam Billingham]

He loved Christmas.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

He would be like, peekaboo.

[Liam Billingham]

Is it Santa Claus? All right, I think we wrap it up there. Bye. You're not going to say anything? Okay.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

Oh, thank you for coming on. Intentionally disturbing. Now, can you please edit this to make it worthy?

[Liam Billingham]

I mean, I'm good at my job, but I'm not that good. Okay, bye.

[Gilbert King]

Something unexpected happened after Jeremy Scott confessed to killing Michelle Schofield in Bone Valley season one.

[Jeremy Scott]

Every time I hear about my dad is, oh, he's a killer. He's just straight evil.

[Gilbert King]

I was becoming the bridge between Jeremy Scott and the son he'd never known.

[Jeremy Scott]

At the end of the day, I'm literally a son of a killer.

[Gilbert King]

Listen to new episodes of bone Valley Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Leslie Ann Victoria Dobson]

This is an I Heart podcast.