Samantha: Surviving The Mexican Drug Cartel

Summary

Intentionally Disturbing: Samantha — Surviving The Mexican Drug Cartel

Podcast: Intentionally Disturbing
Host: Dr. Leslie
Episode Date: September 4, 2025
Guest: "Samantha" (Pseudonym), former cartel member and survivor
Location: Cabo, Mexico
Language: Spanish (interpreted), English

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode features a harrowing and unfiltered interview with "Samantha," a survivor of the Mexican drug cartel world who was shot eight times in an attempted murder. Through candid storytelling, Samantha details her journey from working in construction as a child to being forced into cartel operations, the dangerous realities of cartel life, and her attempt to reclaim a life for herself and her daughters. The episode offers a rare, insider look into the structures, dangers, and unexpected human complexities of cartel life, challenging American misconceptions and exposing the entwined relationship between government and organized crime in Mexico.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Samantha’s Early Life and Entry into the Cartel

• Pre-cartel Life

  • Samantha describes a humble upbringing spent helping her mother with household chores, starting work in construction at the age of 12 ([04:02]).
  • She earned approximately 2,500 pesos (about $150) a week for 8-hour workdays ([04:51]).

• First Encounter with the Cartel

  • Around age 20, Samantha accidentally found a block of drugs and began selling it. The police picked her up, resulting in the cartel abducting her, putting a gun to her head, and ultimately offering her a job instead of killing her ([06:05] – [07:28]).
  • She was battling severe addiction at the time, especially "ice" (a pure form of crystal methamphetamine) ([08:26]).

“They were going to kill her in that moment. And she said, just kill me because I have nothing to live for. So they took the gun down and kind of like offered her a job to start selling drugs.”
— Samantha (as interpreted), [07:12]

Life Inside the Cartel

• Operations & Daily Life

  • Once involved, Samantha was given a car and a phone filled with contacts for her deliveries ([10:58]).
  • She distanced herself from her family to protect her two daughters, then aged 13 and 4 ([11:26]).
  • Permission was required for every aspect of her life — from grocery shopping to taking her children to the hospital ([16:49]).

• Dangers and Controls

  • The threat of violence kept her in the cartel: “They were threatening her that if she leaves, they will kill her.” ([14:07])
  • Cartel members were watched intensively to prevent them from stealing drugs ([17:57]).
  • Samantha was required to turn over 80,000 pesos (~$4000) worth of drugs daily, keeping the remainder (around $3,000) as payment ([18:44]).

“You can’t do anything without asking for permission.”
— Samantha (as interpreted), [16:49]

• Drug Use as Survival
  • To stay awake for the demands of cartel work, Samantha used the drugs she sold ([20:01]). Part of what she could sell was kept for personal use ([20:57]).

“She had to be active 24 hour, 24 seven... She was using drugs to keep awake all day, every day.”
— Samantha (as interpreted), [20:01]

The Attempted Assassination

• The Shooting
  • Samantha recounts being ambushed and shot eight times while delivering drugs ([29:48] – [33:00]).
  • She managed to drive herself most of the way to the hospital despite her injuries, fainting two blocks from the entrance ([32:57]).
  • Samantha survived a month-long hospital stay, including a week in a coma during which she was assumed dead ([37:45]).

“She got shot eight times. And she kept driving, trying to get to the hospital, but two blocks before... she fainted.”
— Samantha (as interpreted), [32:57]

• Government & Cartel Dynamics
  • Execution orders stemmed from government shift: when a new government takes office, they replace entire branches of the cartel with their own people, disposing of previous workers ([31:45]).
  • "The government is the cartel" and vice versa — without one, the other cannot exist ([63:55]).

“The government money comes from the cartel, and the cartel makes money because the government opens the door for them. So it comes together.”
— Samantha (as interpreted), [64:48]

Aftermath, Escape, and Reflections

• Leaving the Cartel

  • After surviving the shooting, Samantha asked to quit and, surprisingly, was allowed to do so with no outstanding debts ([40:01]).
  • She never met her higher-up cartel boss in person; communications were exclusively via phone ([42:43]).

• Life After Cartel

  • Samantha experienced mixed feelings: missing the ease of cartel money but valuing her family's safety ([54:35]).
  • She now lives a less stable life working odd jobs, seeking legitimate employment ([44:58]), and is focused on raising her daughters.

• On Trauma, Addiction, and Family

  • Samantha continues to struggle with addiction, using drugs primarily for energy to get through the day ([57:35]), but believes she can quit on her own whenever she chooses ([57:22]).
  • She speaks openly to her daughters about her past, striving to guide them away from similar paths ([55:23]).

“She got out of it safe and sound. Like she’s okay. She doesn’t seem to be in danger anymore.”
— Samantha (as interpreted), [43:15]

Cartel Culture: Misconceptions, Morality, and the Future

• American Misconceptions

  • Samantha says American tourists are typically not targeted by cartels unless they interfere; "they need" the gringo clientele ([49:58]).
  • Drugs sold to Americans, primarily marijuana, are not intentionally tainted — dangers arise when users overindulge ([50:38]).
  • The main drug contacts for tourists are often taxi drivers at the airport ([51:49]).

• Violence, Justice, and Human Nature

  • Cartel retaliation against members is swift and brutal. Lower-level workers are most expendable ([41:31]).
  • Samantha notes that Mexican cartels operate with less loyalty and more violence toward their own compared to American gangs ([66:39]).

• Future Hopes & Social Concerns

  • Samantha dreams of making enough money to help handicapped and disabled women, driven by her distaste for injustice and violence ([59:21]).
  • She feels hopeless about broader societal violence but is determined to ensure her daughters lead better lives ([69:34]).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On losing her will to live:
  “Just kill me because I have nothing to live for.”
  — Samantha, describing her first cartel encounter ([07:12])

• On the government-cartel relationship:
  “The government is the cartel… the cartel makes money because the government opens the door.”
  — Samantha, reflecting on corruption in Mexico ([63:55], [64:48])

• On surviving being shot:
  “She got shot eight times. And she kept driving, trying to get to the hospital... two blocks before she fainted.”
  — Dr. Leslie, paraphrasing Samantha ([32:57])

• On why she left the cartel:
  “She risked her family and her daughters a lot…she needed a break. And after the shooting she felt that was about time.”
  — Dr. Leslie, summarizing Samantha’s motivation ([43:36])

• On moral ambiguity of cartel life:
  “That’s so wild that there’s. There’s a good... but also they will kill you in a second.”
  — Dr. Leslie ([61:09])

• On advice for Americans in Cabo:
  “They’re safe. We need them. Yeah, as long as you don’t get in trouble and just buying the drugs. They won’t do anything to them.”
  — Samantha ([49:58])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Samantha’s Childhood and Entry to Cartel: [04:02] – [08:26]
• First Encounter with Cartel, Choice to Join: [06:05] – [09:39]
• Cartel Daily Life, Threats and Controls: [10:58] – [19:41]
• Drug Use and Survival Strategies: [20:01] – [22:57], [57:35]
• Shooting & Near Death Experience: [28:10] – [37:45]
• Aftermath & Escape from the Cartel: [40:01] – [44:46]
• Life After Cartel, Family and Hopes: [54:01] – [59:03]
• Corruption & Government Ties: [31:42], [63:14], [64:48]
• Advice for Americans & Misconceptions: [49:37] – [51:58]
• Reflections on Violence, Justice, and the Future: [61:09], [69:34] – [71:46]

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Tone & Style

• Dr. Leslie’s interviewing is direct, irreverent, and darkly humorous, swiftly drilling into emotional and uncomfortable territory.
• Samantha is plainspoken and candid, with a survivor’s pragmatism, humor, and vulnerability.
• The episode oscillates between raw honesty, moments of levity, and sobering insight into the intersection of poverty, organized crime, and survival.

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Final Takeaways

• Samantha’s journey reflects the complex, coercive power of cartel economies, the role of government corruption, and the scarcity of safe choices for marginalized women in Mexico.
• The reality of cartel life is both more mundane and more brutal than portrayed in American media — ordinary people are swept into cycles of violence with little agency or recourse.
• Despite vast trauma, Samantha is determined to break the cycle for her children and to help others, providing a rare glimpse of resilience, humanity, and hope against impossible odds.

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Memorable Closing Exchange:

Dr. Leslie: “You need to stop doing drugs.”
Samantha: “Okay?”
Dr. Leslie: “Within two years. Two years?”
Samantha: “Years. Less than that. Okay.”
([72:35]–[72:41])

Transcript

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[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Oh, hey, you're here.

[Dr. Leslie]

Welcome to Intentionally Disturbing. I have the unique opportunity of speaking with an ex cartel member today. I came out to Cabo to speak with her and I'm very excited to share her story. But I'm also very excited to share the story of the cartel with Americans because I feel like we have a lot of information that's just simply not true. I am very honored and lucky to be able to speak with her today because she survived being shot many times in an attempted murder when people around her her friends were actually killed. So we're going to jump over to the name which we picked was Samantha. And we have a friend of mine interpret because Samantha only speaks Spanish and I only speak English. So we're going to jump right into some hard hitting questions. Thank you for being here. So can you tell me a little bit about your life before the cartel?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She used to just be at home with her mom and just cleaning, Helping, cleaning her mom the house and do chores. And then she started working in construction. Okay, okay.

[Dr. Leslie]

And what did you do in construction?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She will do the mix of the concrete and to put the rocks in the walls.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay, and how much did they pay you? What was your money like?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She will get 2,500 pesos. That is like 150.

[Dr. Leslie]

150 a week. A week. Okay.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Quantas ora stravajavas for eight hours a day.

[Dr. Leslie]

Eight hours a day. $150. Wow. How old were you when you started working?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

12.

[Dr. Leslie]

Wow. Okay. And so how, how old were you when you started to work for the cartel?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

20.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay. Can you tell me a little bit about how it started, how you became involved?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she used to like walk around and party around and one time she found a block of drug taped with bronze tip. And she opened it and she started selling that because she knew it was drug. And then one time the police pick her up. So the people from the cartel pick her up after she found the drugs and they took her and they put a gun in her head. And she used to use a lot of drugs back then and she was kind of like a crazy lady.

[Dr. Leslie]

No.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

And they were going to kill her in that moment. And she said, just kill me because I have nothing to live for. So they took the gun down and kind of like offered her a job to start selling drugs.

[Dr. Leslie]

But why did you feel like you had nothing to live for?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Like they were going to kill her? Like she thought that it was easier just to let them know that she didn't care because they already had like the gun ready to kill her. So she's like, just do it. She was dropped, I think Ice. She used to do ice. What?

[Dr. Leslie]

Ice.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She was doing this, they call it ice. And they put it in a pipe and fire it and then they smoke it.

[Dr. Leslie]

Like crystal methamphetamine.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay. But more pure.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah, more pure, yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay. So you knew that they had so much power that they were going to kill you.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she didn't know that her close friends were involved also in the cartel. And they went to tell the Higher people that she was stealing the drugs and selling them. Oh, so they told on her. So that's why she thought that they were going to kill her.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, well, them. So it didn't feel like you had a choice.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah, it was work for them or kill. Or they will kill her. And they took her to, like far, far away. Nobody was around, and they were going to kill her.

[Dr. Leslie]

Is that what I read about called the torture zones or the torture areas? That's terrifying. Can you tell me more about the torture areas or what we call them?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She only. She never do any torture things. She only was selling the drugs.

[Dr. Leslie]

And then do they then tell you your job and your assignment? What happens after?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So they gave her a phone, they gave her a car, and in the phone was all the contacts that she was supposed to deliver the drugs to. And so she took herself out of her family circle and she got out of the house. So she didn't put her daughters in dangers. Two daughters, 13 and 4 and 12 now. Yeah. How old they were? So she started when six years ago. There was this rival thing in Cabo between two cartels. And that's when she started working with them when everybody was the cartel were fighting to each other. And we had a lot of shooting around and a lot of dead people.

[Dr. Leslie]

Well, I remember in America, it was all over our news saying, don't go to Cabo, you'll be killed.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah. But it was. So in Cabo, we have two cartels, the San Lucas and the San Jose. So the San Jose start selling drugs in San Luca. So they didn't like it. So that's why it started shooting everywhere. But it was just between them. Probably a lot of people got in the middle, but it was just between them.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay. So, yeah, I mean, our news made it seem like Americans would be killed if they came. But it was more cartel against cartel and owning land.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

It was only in the cartel and there were a lot of people around that they start stealing drugs from the cartel. So that's where the people that they were shooting at too.

[Dr. Leslie]

What you were doing was really dangerous. So what kept you in it?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

They were threatening her that if she leaves, they will kill her. So she just kept going until you want to go through the shooting. And she lasts two years after they shot her.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, you stayed even after?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Okay, okay, so. So she lasts two years working for them until they shot her for seven times.

[Dr. Leslie]

Can you tell me about it? Maybe in like, shorter sentences and then we can translate and hear the story.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She'S talking about.

[Dr. Leslie]

The.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

The Shooting six years ago that they killed one American in Palmia in one of the nicest neighborhoods in Cabo. And that's why she thinks that Americans didn't want to come back to Cabo because they shut. The only news that went through was the one that the. The American was killed in Palm. Okay. So she remembers that one day she had her daughter really sick. She was dehydrated and with really high fever. And she had to ask her boss to go out and take her to the hospital.

[Dr. Leslie]

Her boss? Like.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

For her to sell the drugs. She has a boss and she had to ask him to go out and to take her daughter to the hospital.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, so they controlled everything. Everything you did?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah. She has to whatever. To go to the market, to go to everything. You can do anything without asking for permission.

[Dr. Leslie]

Wow.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

They try notine. So you live in Viva senuna Casa conellos. You must be in rentava.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she lives by herself, but she has to ask about, like, if she goes anywhere, she has to ask for permission.

[Dr. Leslie]

What would happen if you didn't ask?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah, they will go and look for her and they will beat her. They would just punch her and they.

[Dr. Leslie]

Would beat you up. If you didn't tell them, they will beat you up. But so are they. It controls your life. They're watching you all the time.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

And they have to be very careful with all the people that they have for selling the drugs, because some of them, they're drug addicts and they. If has one ounce, they will take a little bit and a little bit of each bag and sell it extra. So they have to be very. On what every sale person is doing.

[Dr. Leslie]

Wow. Yeah. How was the money.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

For everything that she will sell, she has to give to her boss 80,000 pesos a day. So it's like 80,000 pesos, $4,000 a.

[Dr. Leslie]

Day and you give to your boss.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So they will give her the drugs and she will. She can sell them as much as they want. As much as she want. She had to give the 80,000 pesos to her boss and she will keep like 15,000 pesos for herself a day. So it's like $3,000.

[Dr. Leslie]

$3,000 a day?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

That's a lot of money versus $150.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

The tricky. I'm trying at home.

[Dr. Leslie]

Were you using the drugs too?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She had to be active 24 hour, 24 seven, because she didn't have someone to do the job with her. So she had to have. Well, she was using drugs to keep awake all day, every day.

[Dr. Leslie]

So are the Drugs given to you as part of what you sell or do you take them from what you're supposed to sell?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Okay. They will give her 12, like six package, seven packages of whatever drug they will give her to sell. And she has to sell five for to give back the money to her boss. And the other two, she will keep them for her use.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, so it's like a tip.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she will sell those two and consume part of it and then for her to have money.

[Dr. Leslie]

I've never done crystal methamphetamine. What does it feel like? What did it do to you?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She will feel relaxed. Not to feel it, not to get sleepy.

[Dr. Leslie]

How long does it last?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

No. So it depends on how you consume the drug. It can be in a pipe, it can be in a light bulb, or it can be in a spoon. So it depends on how you consume the drug, is the effects that she get. But she's been using that for a long time. So she has to do different types of consuming for her to have the different reactions. The only thing she was using it is to stay awake.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay. Do you still use it now? How often?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

And she used to do it every day? Not. Not anymore. Once or twice a week? Yeah, it depends on the money.

[Dr. Leslie]

Does, does it help your emotions?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah, it helps for her to control.

[Dr. Leslie]

Her emotions because do you, I mean, do you have trauma and anxiety from.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

No, she likes it because she can not take in it anytime she wants. Oh, so she just do it when it's not a need, it's more of a reward. Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay, we're going to take a quick break and we'll be right back.

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[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

It was clear at that point he.

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[Dr. Leslie]

So can you talk about getting shot? Like, what was that like to actually be shot by a gun?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

At the moment she didn't feel anything, but like minutes later she started feeling warm. Her entire body.

[Dr. Leslie]

So what was. Yeah, what was happening? You were just, you were standing in a group of people and you were shot.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she went to take her daughter to the doctor. So she told her mom that she was going to get a doctor for her daughter and drink water.

[Dr. Leslie]

Drink water, yeah.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Okay.

[Dr. Leslie]

We can be human, be normal.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

I know.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

And as soon as she jumped in the car, she felt that something bad was going to happen. Oh. And as soon as she passed the. The convenience store by her house, she saw everybody that they were waiting for her, it was directly to her, like they were going to kill her.

[Dr. Leslie]

So the day that your boss took your daughter to the doctors was the same day it happened.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she was going to deliver some drugs and she was going to go back to get her daughter. And as soon as she saw. Saw the store, she saw the people waiting for her. So she saw the people and as soon as they saw her, they start shooting at her car.

[Dr. Leslie]

Why? Why?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

They sold the cartel. It's hard for me to understand this a little bit, but I'll ask her if I have a doubt. What she's saying is the Jose Pan El govierno. Uh huh. Okay. So in Mexico we have different types of government. When the elections won. Here in Cabo we have a one named Pan P A N. And they bought the cartels. So they kind of like put their new cartels like their own cartels in Cabo.

[Dr. Leslie]

They bought the cartels? The government bought the cartels?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah, that's how it works. Like, okay, the. The government has their own cartels people.

[Dr. Leslie]

Would that be like, like Elon Musk buying the cartel because he was loved by Trump right now more than Elon.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Musk, it will be like Trump buying the cartels because now he's going to be the president.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

You know that he's buying the cartel. He brings.

[Dr. Leslie]

So the government came in and said the cartels are here no matter what. I want to control them.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

No, no, no. I am going to bring my own people from the cartel.

[Dr. Leslie]

My own people.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

My people. Because now I am ruling. I'm government. I am the government in Cabot. Now I'm bringing my cartel. So the cartel from the other government start killing their employees because they don't need them anymore.

[Dr. Leslie]

It's that. It's that heartless.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah, it's like when somebody buys a company, you have to. You deal with them or you fire them. So in a cartel, you fire the new people.

[Dr. Leslie]

So if you were to buy like the Ford company, you just are going to kill all the employees because you want to change it to Chevy.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Exactly. Yes. Anton says so she got shot eight times. And she kept driving, trying to get to the hospital, but two blocks before and she was covered in blood and her car was covered in blood. And two blocks before she got into the hospital, she fainted. Because she was very injured. So two blocks before, she fainted. And that's when the police arrived to her and brought an ambulance and they took her to the hospital.

[Dr. Leslie]

My God, you're so tough to drive that far. After how long. How many minutes do you think were you driving after you had been shot?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She was close to the hospital, but not close because they block some streets, so she had to go around.

[Dr. Leslie]

And when this happened, you were with other people who got killed.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

And they will never let her get anyone in her car because the car belonged to the cartel. Oh, so she was the only one who dropped, and the only person that got shot was her. Nobody else got injured.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, okay. And you were. And it happened while you were inside the car?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah. She always have to be by herself because if she's in the car with somebody else and the police gets her, her boss is not going to do anything for the other person. They will save her, but the other person is gone. They will put her. Put her. Put the person in jail or kill them or whatever they don't respond for. So that's why she wasn't allowed to bring anyone in the car.

[Dr. Leslie]

Because they own the car. Yeah. What was it like when you saw them and knew that they were there to kill you?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She was. She felt like her world just collapsed because she was told that they were going to keep her alive because they needed her and they were going to protect her. So when she noticed that they were there to kill her, her world just collapsed. She felt.

[Dr. Leslie]

That's fucking insane. So how long were you in the hospital?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

A little more than a month.

[Dr. Leslie]

And what happened after.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

They thought that she was dead. So the ambulance thought that everybody thought that she was dead. So they took her to La Paz, to the hospital, and they just put her in a room thinking that she was dead. And then when the nurse came in to check on the body, she opened her eyes, and that's when they connected her again to the machines. And she was Cuento, Timpes, Tuistenco. And she was in coma for a week after they thought she was dead. So when she woke up, she saw all these people around her and she just started punching everybody. Because the last memory she had in her head was that they were there to kill her.

[Dr. Leslie]

Just the nurses and doctors?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah. She thought that whoever was torturing her was going to heal her.

[Dr. Leslie]

Are you a good fighter? Are you trained in fighting?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

But she can hit a man. She has got into fights with men, so she's tough. Well, in that business, you have to.

[Dr. Leslie]

So. So Was that. Did you quit after that? Did they.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she talked to her boss and she told him that she wanted to quit because she was already in a lot of danger and she didn't want to risk her daughters more than she already did. So he said that it was okay for him for her to leave the. The job and she just wanted to know how much money she owed him because of everything about the doctors. And. And he said nothing. It's okay. We are. Because of the shooting. That's why it was easier for her to get out of it.

[Dr. Leslie]

But who. It wasn't your boss who wanted to kill you?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yes. No. Electrocute.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, did they want to kill your boss too?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

And they always want to kill the higher level of. But all the employees are the one that loses in the fight up with.

[Dr. Leslie]

The cartels because they can access you.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So they want to kill her boss and the boss of her boss of her boss of her boss. And the lower rank are the ones who get shot shut before they get to their buses.

[Dr. Leslie]

Well, that's shitty. That's just how it works. You just start.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She didn't. She never met her boss. So she had someone to deliver just the product.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

But she will talk to him by phone. So whatever she needed from him. Yeah. He wasn't here probably. He lives in California.

[Dr. Leslie]

Does he live near me?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Maybe he's your neighbor.

[Dr. Leslie]

So. I mean. Are you okay now? Yeah.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah. She. She got out of it safe and sound. Like she's okay. She doesn't seem to be in danger anymore.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah. Why. Why did you want to leave?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She risked her family and her daughters a lot. So she. She. She just wanted. Because she never had a life. She always have to be. To take care of the phone and pick up all the calls and to deliver whatever they said. And so she needed a break. And after the shooting she felt that was about time.

[Dr. Leslie]

I think that was a good idea.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yes.

[Dr. Leslie]

So how is your life now?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So now she tries to get a job. She had a job after that, after the shooting of doing events like putting all the tables and stuff.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

But now the company she used to work in is bankrupt. So they close. And now what she does is whatever job somebody asks her to do, she will do it like cleaning a piece of land or doing a. Wood locks. Wood locks on little jobs like that.

[Dr. Leslie]

So if you could. If you could give a message to people if they are approached by cartel, what would you tell them to do?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

No, no. She can get in contact with the cartel sometimes just to. Because she has a client that needs something. So she will put it in contact with the cartel, but that's about it.

[Dr. Leslie]

We'll be right back after this break.

[Ed]

My name is Ed. Everyone say hello Ed.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Hello Ed.

[Ed]

I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer and my mum is a cousin. So like it's not like.

[Wisecrack Narrator]

What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago.

[Ed]

I just normally do straight stand up, but this is a bit different.

[Wisecrack Narrator]

On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

[Ed]

On 22 July 2015, a 23 year old man had killed his family and then he came to my house.

[Wisecrack Narrator]

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[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

Liz went from being interested in true crime to living true crime.

[Liz (Hands Tied Interviewee)]

My husband comes back outside and he's shaking and he just looks like he's seen a ghost and he's just in shock. And he said, your dad's been killed.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

This is Hands Tied, a true crime podcast exploring the murder of Jim Milgar. Liz's mom had just been found shut in a closet, her hands and feet tied up, shouting for help.

[Liz (Hands Tied Interviewee)]

I was just completely in shock.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

Her dad had been stabbed to death.

[Liz (Hands Tied Interviewee)]

It didn't feel real at all.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

For more than a decade, Liz has been trying to figure out what happened.

[Liz (Hands Tied Interviewee)]

There's a lot of guilt, I think pushing me and I just, I want answers.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

Listen to Hands tied on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

It was an unimaginable crime.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

It's four consecutive live terms for Bryan Coburger who killed a former University of Idaho students.

[Dr. Leslie]

The defense are on a sinking ship.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

It was clear at that point he was out of options.

[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

Nearly 30 months of silence until bombshell development.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

Brian Kohberger appearing set to accept a plea deal just five weeks before his quadruple murder trial was set to start.

[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

No trial, no testimony.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

He has pleaded guilty to five criminal counts, one of burglary and then four counts of murder.

[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

In this final season, we return to Moscow with interviews from those still searching for answers.

[Dr. Leslie]

Why did the prosecution take this?

[Ed]

They were holding all the cars.

[Dr. Leslie]

How on earth could you make a deal?

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[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

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[Dr. Leslie]

Would you say that Americans are safe coming to Cabo? Even if Americans are buying drugs from cartel here.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

They'Re safe. We need them. Yeah, as long as you don't get in trouble and just buying the drugs. They don't. They won't do anything to them.

[Dr. Leslie]

Are the drugs safe? I mean, I know. I know drugs are not safe, but they don't want to kill. Yeah. Like, how many do they want to.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah, she says that they're good.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay, so there isn't a big plant.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

It also depends on your consume. Like, if Americans gets crazy and do more than they should, they're going to die, but not because the cartel wants them to die.

[Dr. Leslie]

So how does an American know what drugs to buy and from who? When they're here?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

They only smoke weed. The Americans, I think Americans, the only thing they want to come here is just to get weed.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, so if someone wants to sell them crystal meth.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Oh, the people from the airport, the ones that they do transportation, those are the ones who sell the drugs to the Americans that they get here. Like, if you arrive to Cabo in the airport, you take a taxi.

[Dr. Leslie]

Taxi.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

And the taxis go to. Oh, you want this? They are the main contact to get drugs income.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay, so if the cartel asked you to come back and work for them, would you? Not anymore, no. Do they try?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So after the shooting, he moved to Mexico City and was there for two months and then went to Guerrero and stayed there for. So she left over year. And during that year, they asked her to come back and she said no. No. And now that she's back, they've been asking her to come back, but she kept saying no.

[Dr. Leslie]

Is it hard to say no?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

No, it's not hard to say no. And they can make her. They respect that part.

[Dr. Leslie]

Wow.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay, so what's life like now? What. What. What do you do now? Are you with your children and family?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Her family was upset with her about she joining the cartel. But they try to help as much as they can because we're Mexicans and they are happy now that she's not there anymore.

[Dr. Leslie]

Are you happy now?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

It is Feliza? Yeah. Because she has her own life now.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So I asked her if she missed the money and she said that not that much because she's been always good on finding jobs and take care of her and her family. She's always looking for a way to make money.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh yeah, but not easy money. Do you ever worry about your children joining the cartel or them asking them?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she talks to them, try to explain a little bit, but they don't go out that much. So they just go to school, to the playground, and that's it. So people around her daughters, they told the daughters about what she was doing and they started asking her questions and she had to start to explain to them little by little. But yeah, she told them the truth.

[Dr. Leslie]

How long are you going to keep doing the drugs?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She doesn't know.

[Dr. Leslie]

Do you want to stop?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So she stopped consuming drugs. And then when she lost her job, she got depressed and she started using drugs. Them again. But she got sad because she was able to leave them on her own. And now she's back. So if she wants, she will quit anytime she wants, until she wants.

[Dr. Leslie]

There are other things than drugs. Is it. Do you feel like you can access good health care here and like therapy and.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She can do it on her own? She has a good conviction. Whenever she wants, she will stop consuming. But she doesn't want.

[Dr. Leslie]

I can understand.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

It's kind of chewy right now. She consumed it to have energy. So it's not that it makes her happy or sad or anything. It's just for her to have a.

[Dr. Leslie]

But what about coffee?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She also smokes cigarettes. So she takes a nap to the woods and get wood for. So it's a hard job for her to sell the wood logs.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She needs energy more than coffee.

[Dr. Leslie]

So what do you want to do in the future? What do you want to do for life and with your kids?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She wants to make a lot of money to help people. She likes to help people.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, doing what?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She has money. She likes to help handicapped people, like especially women. So she likes to have a lot of money too. And when she has a lot of money, she helps a lot of disabled women. She's not working. She needs a job. And she's looking for a job to make more money so she can help more. And she's not happy about not finding a job like that.

[Dr. Leslie]

What Is it about helping disabled women that makes you happy?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She doesn't like violence and injustice, and she feels that right now there is a lot of violence for women. So she doesn't like it. So that's why she likes to help with that.

[Dr. Leslie]

Did you have to be violent when you were working in the cartel?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

No, she was never violent. She was very. It was very easy. She was homo. And if somebody asks for a favor, she will help.

[Dr. Leslie]

That's so wild that there's. There's a good. It feels like there's good in it, but also there's. They will kill you in a second.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

It's an experience that you have to live once in a lifetime.

[Dr. Leslie]

Is there. Can you tell people who don't understand the cartel, can you give them a message about what we hear is not real? Like the truth behind it?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So it's not as bad as it looks, but only if you do the things right and not to try to mess with the cartel. Like, if you do right with them, they will do right with you. But if you mess with them, they will kill you.

[Dr. Leslie]

Do you. At the end of the day, do you think the cartels are good for Mexico or bad.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

How things are right now? She doesn't know if they are good or not.

[Dr. Leslie]

Because there are changes with the government or.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

The government has changed a lot and they don't want to make deals with the cartels anymore. So it's been harder.

[Dr. Leslie]

So if the government was making more deals, you would be more in favor of the cartels and they would be helpful?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah. The same government is the cartel. Yeah. All the cartel people are.

[Dr. Leslie]

The government is the cartel.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

What would Mexico be like without the cartel?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Cartel, no. And she doesn't know. She doesn't. She can't see Mexico without cartel because without government, they don't have a drugs. And without no drugs, no government. So it's there. Together. They come together.

[Dr. Leslie]

Wow.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

The government money comes from the cartel, and the cartel makes money because the government opens the door for them. So it comes together.

[Dr. Leslie]

Wow. Does the cartel make fun of American gangs? Do they think they're wimps?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Los Cartellas de Mexico. Pianos Americanas on Maricas.

[Dr. Leslie]

No, no.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Really?

[Dr. Leslie]

I've heard before that they.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Haven'T heard that.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, how funny. Yeah. I mean, maybe it's just that the cartel. No, I've known other Mexican cartel who. It's just it's such a strong family and it's so much bigger and they are so much more. It's so easy for them to kill and make decisions when in gangs, it's harder to do.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She thinks that it works different in America than in Mexico because in America, they respect a little more their workers. And here is like, no, kill her. Kill her.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

So maybe that's why we have. We're not wimps.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay. Did you just crack your neck? Does it feel good? And her neck. See, how is your. How is your physical health after being shot eight times?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She has her. Her shoulder is not in the right place, but that's the only thing she has. So it's not in their place. So in the winter, it col. She had two wood gunshots in her shoulder.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, yeah. You have holes in your body. Wow. So she's pointing to parts of her head that were shot and her neck and her shoulder.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

One in her lungs, one, two in her shoulders. One went through her neck and went through the other cheek, one in the next to her eye.

[Dr. Leslie]

Wow. Do you feel lucky to be alive.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

A lot? Yeah. Yeah. She really do.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah, I feel. I feel you're lucky.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Yeah.

[Dr. Leslie]

Yeah. Okay. What do you hope happens next in life for the future of your family, your kids, Mexico?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

She has no hope that much right now because she feels that there's a lot of violence in this world and nobody's humble. Nobody takes care of anybody. And she's a little scared about that. And she thinks that that's why it is here in Mexico and everywhere. That's the problem, that violence and people not caring, it's not good. She wants her daughter to get educated and not to be in the same path that she took.

[Dr. Leslie]

Where do you want them to be?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

One wants to be a chef and the other one wants to be in fashion. She does a lot of. She says that her daughter looks like you.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh. Oh. And she's gonna be in fashion.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Okay. She likes to make clothes and cut her T shirts and stuff to make them better.

[Dr. Leslie]

Does she sell them?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Las vende? Oh, she makes for her dolls.

[Dr. Leslie]

Oh, she could sell that. Do you have. Do you have Etsy? Do you have Etsy, the website in Mexico where you can make things and you put them online and sell them?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

That would be nice. She's going to tell her daughter.

[Dr. Leslie]

Okay. I mean, we'll. I will never tell anyone who you are or what you look like, but maybe we can somehow help promote her. Her clothing company? We'll find a way. Okay. This has been intentionally disturbing with Dr. Leslie. I hope you had a moment to listen and go behind the headlines to see the reality of the cartel in Mexico and how it affects people in it. And people out of it. And I want to say thank you so much for doing this. I feel very lucky to have the opportunity to meet you and that you're alive, but you need to stop doing drugs.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Okay? Okay.

[Dr. Leslie]

Within two years. Two years?

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

Years. Less than that. Okay.

[Dr. Leslie]

Thank you for listening and we'll see you next time. Intentionally Disturbing is a podcast from me, Dr. Leslie. It's distributed by iHeartMedia. Liam Billingham is the senior producer and he also edits the show and puts up with my Katie Cobbs does the social media and she attempts to keep me in my lane. Not always successful, successful. The executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media who have told me not to text them 24 7. But you know what? I'm still the boss. Thanks again for listening. We'll see you next week for more Intentionally disturbing.

[Ed]

I just normally do straight stand up, but this is a bit different.

[Wisecrack Narrator]

What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? A new podcast called Wisecrack where a comedian finds himself at the center of a chilling true crime story.

[Ed]

Does anyone know what show they've come to see? It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life.

[Wisecrack Narrator]

This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

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[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

Liz went from being interested in true crime to living true crime.

[Liz (Hands Tied Interviewee)]

My husband said your dad's been killed.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

This is Hands Tied, a true crime podcast exploring the murder of Jim Melgar.

[Liz (Hands Tied Interviewee)]

I was just completely in shock.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

Liz's father murdered and her mother found locked in a closet, her hands and feet bound.

[Liz (Hands Tied Interviewee)]

It didn't feel real at all.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

More than a decade on, she's still searching for answers.

[Liz (Hands Tied Interviewee)]

We're still fighting.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

Listen to Hands tied on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

It was an unimaginable crime.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

It's four consecutive live terms for Bryan Kohberger who killed the four University of Idaho students.

[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

The nearly 30 months of silence until bombshell development.

[Liz (Hands Tied Narrator)]

Bryan Kohberger has agreed to plead guilty.

[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

No trial, no testimony.

[Dr. Leslie]

The defense are on a sinking ship.

[Ed]

This isn't the justice you wanted, but this is justice.

[Idaho Massacre Narrator]

Listen to season three of the Idaho Massacre on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Samantha (Cartel Survivor)]

This is an iheart podc.