Dr. Leslie (2:57)

Oh, hey, you're here. My name is Dr. Leslie, and this is intentionally disturbing. My guest today is udos Wallace. In 2014, she was an up and coming actress in Hollywood. She created a show under the guidance of John Singleton, a famed Hollywood director. But then her life was put on hold. An ex boyfriend, in a desperate attempt to force her to get back together, texted her private images and videos that they took when they were in a consensual relationship. Now here's where it gets interesting. Udos Icloud was being monitored by a hacker. Her videos and photos, along with over 100 actresses, were released and spread like wildfire all over the Internet. Now referred to as the 2014 iCloud hack, the incident nearly ruined Udos life, but she has recovered. She's still an actress, model, comedian, but also leading the charge in Washington D.C. and all over the world to stop this from happening again via the PROTECT ACT and her nonprofit foundation.

Unknown (4:06)

Raw.

Dr. Leslie (4:13)

Like, you told your story. Yeah, but I feel like you told it very. Almost like, clinically. Like, you didn't in. You didn't say what. Like, what it did to you.

Udos Wallace (4:23)

Yeah. I don't even remember. I feel like I. I did so many podcasts and it just became like. Like a monochroma. What is it called? Mono. Chronic? Monochrome? Chromatic. I don't know. You know.

Dr. Leslie (4:36)

Monochromatic.

Udos Wallace (4:37)

Yeah. But, you know, you're just saying the same thing. So it becomes like a robot. Almost like. Yeah, because everybody's like, so what happened? Oh, my God. So this happened, you know? Yeah. And then. And then this and then that, and then you try to. To get everything in there. And then it just became like a story. Not like, you know, the first time I said it, and a couple first times, it was, like, really hard for me. But then after a while, it's like, okay, let's just get to it, you know? So.

Dr. Leslie (5:07)

Protect act.

Udos Wallace (5:08)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (5:09)

I mean, fucking amazing.

Udos Wallace (5:11)

Thank you.

Dr. Leslie (5:12)

Amazing. Like, I don't even know how to register to vote. Really? And you went all the way up to passing the PROTECT act?

Udos Wallace (5:19)

I didn't know what I was doing at first, but I was like, I'm gonna try to change the law. And then how do you do it?

Dr. Leslie (5:25)

Like, what's. What steps did you take?

Udos Wallace (5:27)

Yeah. So basically what happened was I shared my story. It took me eight years to share my story, and I was like, you know what? I'm gonna change the law. But I need to share my story. Nobody's doing anything about it. I don't know how I'm gonna do it, but I'm gonna figure it out because I shared my story. After eight years, I realized that, okay, you know, there's no laws, nobody's doing anything. Why is nobody doing anything? This is crazy. And they were like revenge porn laws, but they were so weak. But there's nothing to hold online platforms, especially not adult sites accountable. Right? So I shared my story. And then when I shared my story, this rep from Massachusetts reached out and another senator, and they're like, hey, we want to help you create a sample bill. Can we help you with that? And let's do it together. So I'm like, okay. So I basically said, oh, it needs to have this, it needs to have that, blah, blah. And he helped me create a sample bill. And then I started working with, you know, some nonprofits. I sent that to one of the nonprofits, and then the nonprofit send it to Senator Mike Lee. And then Mike Lee, basically, you know, he's like an expert, all that kind of stuff. So he introduced the PROTECT Act. Problem with the porn sites and all of these sites is that they already had the technology to prevent this from the beginning and. But they were just making so much money that they didn't want to implement it. Like I reached out to porn site after seven years of getting reposted like over and over and over and over. Right. Every single day. And they had something called the fingerprint stamp technology. And only because I got referred by ex porn star is why they implemented it for me. But all of those years, they didn't want to do anything.

Dr. Leslie (7:19)

So is it still recirculating?

Udos Wallace (7:21)

Yeah, of course. And then now on top of that, they're doing deep fakes too. So like it just.

Dr. Leslie (7:28)

It's just nonstop.

Udos Wallace (7:29)

Yeah, I mean, but it's like ridiculous. It's almost like you kind of have to share your story because otherwise this false narrative of you looking like a full blown porn star will be out there, you know?

Dr. Leslie (7:41)

Well, I mean, the minute I met, well, we met on social media first, but the minute like I started following your account and I was listening to your podcasts, I thought about your upbringing and how incredibly difficult. I know, like, I know a lot of actresses were involved. Yeah, but not Iranian actresses, not. Not women who. Where the culture was just so unaccepting of female sexuality already. And I immediately just started thinking, what the fuck did this do to you? Because it did a lot more to you, I imagine, than you know, a white LA girl.

Udos Wallace (8:24)

Yeah. I mean it obviously did a lot of damage, but not only because I was Iranian and I grew up in Sweden and you know, I was new to the us Like, I'm not even from here, like, you know, or I wasn't from here. I'm a US citizen now. But like at that time I was still really new to America. You know, I was doing the whole like, this is the American dream and I was following that. And you know, the, it seemed like I had endless possibilities because I came from Iran, right. So I was five and I moved to Sweden. Then from Sweden I moved to the US by myself. Went to San Diego State University. I got my master's degree in marketing. Like I've done all of the right things in my life. Life, right. And then, you know, growing up in Sweden, they told me like, oh, you're not like blonde or blue eye, you're not, not going to be able to be a model, you're not going to be able to be an actress or you know, you're not considered pretty, blah, blah, blah, you know, you're not tall, you're not skinny. All of these stereotypes that they were like, you're never going to make it. Basically growing up, everybody would tell me, go back to your own country, you know, you're a blackhead. You're like, that's like basically saying the N word to you, you know, and then you're either Swedish or you're non Swedish. So everybody that was in Swedish, we will all hang out together. So all the immigrants would hang out with each other and then the Swedish people would hang out with each other. And I had only one Swedish friend the whole time growing up and shout out to her, I just saw her again, I was in Sweden, I love her. But like she basically, they gave her ultimatum and was like, you're either gonna be with us or you're gonna be with her. Like who do you choose? And she was like, well she's my real friend. She, she has my back so she chose me.

Dr. Leslie (10:17)

You know, this is like school age.

Udos Wallace (10:19)

Yeah. Like 16, like we were like 16 year old kids and like she's a rock star. Yeah. And we're still friends today. And she like, she, she rocked with me. But then they like kind of ostracized her from, from all the other Swedish people growing up. So she was like the only Swedish person with all the immigrants. But like I grew up with all of that, right? So by like 17, 18, after hearing that, since 5, like this is not your country, you know, your hair is black. The devil's in your hair. The devil's in your eyes. Because it's not blue, you know, or it's not blonde, you know.

Dr. Leslie (10:57)

Holy shit. I did not know.

Udos Wallace (10:59)

Yeah, it was horrible. Like, it was just all of these really bad experiences where racism, you know, And I was just like, wow, this is crazy. Like, I got to get out of here. Yeah. And coming to the US and they're like, oh, my God, you're pretty and you're beautiful, and you should try modeling. You should try acting. And I'm like, wow, this is so cool. Like, these are my people. Like, finally, you know. Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (11:27)

And you moved alone to San Diego.

Udos Wallace (11:29)

Yeah. Just trying to. Just trying to follow the dream of, you know, becoming something great. Especially to prove it to my mom, you know, and, like, show her, like, look, I'm like this amazing, you know, a list movie star. I have all this education. I'm successful, like, you know, and when proud. Yeah. I just wanted to make her proud, you know, And I think a lot of Persian people, they can understand that. And like, not just Persian people, but, like, everybody, they want their parents to be proud, you know, And I really wanted, like, that approval from her was like the ultimate, like, diamond at the top of a mountain. Like, I just wanted her approval. And when I found out about the leak and it actually happened, that's when it just felt like the dream was gone. Like, the dream of making her proud was just out the window. And I was trying everything to just hide it so that she wouldn't find out. And it just didn't even take that long because.

Dr. Leslie (12:36)

And she was in Sweden.

Udos Wallace (12:37)

Or she was. Was in Sweden. Yeah. So a fan send it to her, and they basically was like, look at your daughter. You know, this is what she's doing in America. She's doing porn, you know. Oh, that person. Yeah, and he was Persian, too. And he was like some crazy fan that just found her. Like, you know, so she calls me and she's like, oh, my God, this guy is saying this. Is it true? What's going on? Like, she didn't understand. And then I got so upset and angry because it's like my whole life I worked so hard, and then now, like, you've been diminished to this, like, yeah, tiny, like, thing that you wouldn't even have ever considered to do. And not because diminished, but also, like, devalued.

Dr. Leslie (13:23)

Your integrity was taken.

Udos Wallace (13:25)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (13:25)

Like, can we go back to.

Udos Wallace (13:29)

When.

Dr. Leslie (13:29)

You found out that the. The photos and the videos were leaked and kind of just like in that moment, like, where were you? What? How did you find out? How did it feel? Kind of like the fucking traumatic.

Udos Wallace (13:47)

Yeah. So when the actual leak happened, oh my God, it was awful because I. I thought like I was safe because I actually didn't take any real bad pictures. Like the pictures that I sent off was like I would cover and make sure it would have been similar to like a bikini modeling shoot or something, you know. So when the actual leak happened is when I realized, like, oh my God, these are the pictures and the video that my ex took years ago and send them to the icloud. Right. Imessage. Yeah. And it gets stored in the icloud. So basically I realized those are the pictures in the video that he threatened me with that he's going to leak. And he didn't leak them. I already knew that at that point because I knew him. So I was like, oh, I just called his bluff. He didn't do it.

Dr. Leslie (14:38)

And he threatened it because he wanted to get back together.

Udos Wallace (14:41)

Yeah. Because I was ignoring him for like six months and he was getting really desperate, you know, so you know how guys are. Like, they're like, oh, they try anything. Like, oh, he's desperately. He's not going to do anything, you know, So I kind of call his bluff. I already knew it and he didn't do it, thank God. But then, like, who would have known that this psychopath is basically stalking the imessage and what the hell? Like nobody even knew what the icloud was at that time.

Dr. Leslie (15:08)

Like, I definitely looked up his wife who's a psychologist and I can't. I'm like, crazy. The shame I feel in my profession.

Udos Wallace (15:16)

Like, how, how did she take that guy back after violating all of these women? And they have two small children, like.

Dr. Leslie (15:23)

And she's got this like, what, a website? Like, oh, I'm just this lovely therapist. I'll work with you on your trauma.

Udos Wallace (15:30)

Yeah, no thanks. I wonder if that's how they met. Like, it's just so, so weird. Like, why are you taking this guy back, knowing he's a full blown predator and he destroying people's life? Like, yeah, he's probably still doing something and you know, and we're not talking.

Dr. Leslie (15:48)

Like just predator and felon. I mean, this is like sexual misconduct.

Udos Wallace (15:53)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (15:53)

Like he, he wanted private nude videos and photos of women and he's watching.

Udos Wallace (16:01)

Them and there was an underage girl in there too, so he's definitely been doing that. And now he's got kids and then it's not even that. He was basically stalking me and all these other women over a two year span. So he was watching everything. He was monitoring text messages, you know, pictures, videos, calls, like whatever he could access. He was watching all of us. It's not just like, oh, this is a predator. This is like someone that's extremely crazy. Like, how are. How is this person watching? And how does he even have time with two little kids? Like, how is he even contributing as a husband or a father and then engaging in all that? Like, how do you even find time with that? I don't understand.

Dr. Leslie (16:49)

I just would personally like to invite him and his wife onto the podcast, just if they'd like to talk, because I have some questions. So if anyone's listening. From Lancaster, Pennsylvania.

Udos Wallace (17:03)

Yeah. Apparently they're like in a Mormon town, so. Oh, God, I don't know. That's like American thing. I really understand.

Dr. Leslie (17:10)

Like, it's kind of. I used to live near there. An Amish country.

Udos Wallace (17:13)

Oh, I. I don't know. That's like something American that I didn't grow up with. But, like, I mean, it's supposed to.

Dr. Leslie (17:18)

Be people who have values.

Udos Wallace (17:19)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (17:19)

So many values that they don't use media. They. They have days off during the week where they have the Sabbath and all this. And. But no, they're. He's spending his time hacking.

Udos Wallace (17:29)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (17:29)

Trying to find nudes of people and then publish them.

Udos Wallace (17:32)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (17:33)

So did you get alerted or how.

Udos Wallace (17:37)

Yeah, so I was actually at a shoot. I think it was Buzzfeed or something at that time. And I got like all of these calls and text messages and one of my friends was like, oh, my God, have you seen this? I'm so sorry. And it was a screenshot or like a picture of the, like the snapshot of the video that got leaked. So I went and I excused myself from the shoot and I was just like, so shocked. Like, I. My heart just sank and I just. I just like wanted to just lay down on the ground and just cry, you know?

Dr. Leslie (18:15)

Yeah.

Udos Wallace (18:16)

So I literally went home and I. That's what I did. I just collapsed and I just cried and I cried and I locked myself in. It was like dark everywhere. Like, it just. I was so depressed and just crying. Just felt like all my dreams were out the window. Everything, like. And then you don't even understand what's going on. Like, there was nobody there to explain anything. It wasn't a normal thing at the time. Plus, I was like, new to fame. Like, I didn't. That was my first real taste of fame. You know, we're going to take a.

Dr. Leslie (18:49)

Quick break and we'll be right back.

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Dr. Leslie (22:21)

And culturally again.

Udos Wallace (22:22)

Like, culturally, culturally. And then, like, seeing the girl that's not even American, like, yeah, you know, like Persian. Grew up in Sweden. Like, oh, my God, up here, like, living the American dream. How cool. Like, you know, and everything I've done has been 10 times harder for me. So even me being here has been like a million steps.

Dr. Leslie (22:44)

Yeah.

Udos Wallace (22:44)

Than someone that's just born here and they're just, you know, everything has been, like, hard from the beginning. Like, and through all of those struggles and following all the steps, doing all of the right things, getting the degree, doing all the right jobs, and, you know, following all the directions of everybody. Your mother, your, you know, the director, the, like, whatever, you know, the. The actors, the teachers, you know, and still, like, how is this possible? Right? And like I said, my biggest thing was to have my mom, you know, look at me like, oh, my God, my daughter, she's like this huge A list movie star. Or like, she's gonna. I'm gonna be so big. She. She can not just be proud of me. Like, she has to be proud of me. Right? That was the. The ultimate thing. Right?

Dr. Leslie (23:38)

So you're just on the floor sobbing.

Udos Wallace (23:41)

Alone, diminished, feel, like, destroyed, you know.

Dr. Leslie (23:44)

And thinking about, how is my family gonna.

Udos Wallace (23:47)

Yeah, that was my biggest thing. It's like, I did not want my mom finding out. And then when my mom found out, that was just. It was all done for me. Then it was over. Like, that was like, there's no coming back from this. You know, Everything was stolen.

Dr. Leslie (24:03)

Like, you were digitally raped.

Udos Wallace (24:04)

Yeah, basically. And the worst part about it is, no matter how much you try to explain yourself, especially at that time, nobody.

Dr. Leslie (24:13)

Wanted to believe you so you started the American dream.

Udos Wallace (24:18)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (24:19)

And then it just. Hollywood kicked you in the ass.

Udos Wallace (24:22)

It turned into American Nightmare, the American Horror Story.

Dr. Leslie (24:26)

Lady Gaga in here.

Udos Wallace (24:27)

Yeah. Just. Yeah, yeah.

Dr. Leslie (24:30)

And then I think you said, like, people were telling you to just straight up kill yourself.

Udos Wallace (24:34)

Oh, yeah. Like, that's.

Dr. Leslie (24:36)

I don't think people understand, like, the cyber bullying. They don't understand how nasty it gets.

Udos Wallace (24:42)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (24:42)

Like, for me, my. My children got threats.

Udos Wallace (24:46)

It's crazy.

Dr. Leslie (24:46)

People don't understand. I've posted on my Instagram in the stories, because then nobody will, because I can't get in trouble for doing it in the stories. But I've posted the literal threats, and people are fucking horrified. Like, they don't even know humans exist. Like this.

Udos Wallace (25:01)

Yeah. It's crazy, right? Like, why. Why are people allowed to dish out all of these, like, you know, comments, harass you on social media? Why is there no laws against that? Anyway, so, yeah, my American dream turned quickly into American Nightmare. And the worst. If I go on dates, that's all that the guy would bring up would be that and how he wants basically, sex for you because he thinks that you're easy or something now. And I was like, fuck off. Like, I don't want to deal with this, so I would stop going on dates. The guys I will be, they were like, you have to get this taken down. I can't have you come in and see my mom for Thanksgiving. You know, if you have this, I will be up all night, like, calling people, trying to take it down myself. You know, every big job that I would have, I would. Like the agents, whatever it was, they were like, oh, you have to get this stuff taken down before they look. If you don't, then you're not gonna get the job, you know? So then I will be up all night trying to do that again. It was. It was horrible. Like, I would. My whole time got so consumed by trying to take this stuff down. Was probably the day after the leak happened.

Dr. Leslie (26:18)

Yeah.

Udos Wallace (26:18)

I got a text message from this guy that's a known actor, you know, and he was also, like, a known Viner, you know, he reached out to me and he was like, oh, my God, how are you? And I'm thinking, oh, he cares. He. You know, he's trying to check in on me, like, oh, my God. Yeah, this. I feel bad. You know, I could have been better. And he's like, oh, I thought you would have killed yourself by now. You should definitely, like, try to do that.

Dr. Leslie (26:48)

You know, A known actor told you you should kill yourself.

Udos Wallace (26:51)

Yeah. He's like, oh, I thought you would have killed yourself by now. Like, you know, haven't you done it?

Dr. Leslie (26:55)

Like, give me his information. I'll kill him.

Udos Wallace (26:58)

Yeah. Like, and it's like, I got so upset.

Dr. Leslie (27:02)

Was he joking?

Udos Wallace (27:03)

No, he was not. He was like, that whole group, I'm telling you, they were trying to encourage me to kill myself. They would put me in group chats and talk about me like this.

Dr. Leslie (27:12)

Like, so that you wouldn't out them.

Udos Wallace (27:15)

No, it was the point. At that time, this was what happened. So vine was, like, it was good. But then Instagram took off. Right. And then vine shut down. So when they came over to Instagram, I had more followers than them. So that was the biggest, like, threat. Like, oh, my God, she has actual acting credits. And all of these people, they wanted to be doing acting. You know, they wanted to be famous. They wanted to do all of those things. Right. And social media, like, with Instagram and all that. So they looked at me like, oh, she's been discovered by John Singleton. She has actual, like, acting credits and print modeling experience. Like, all the stuff that they wanted. I already had that.

Dr. Leslie (28:00)

Yeah.

Udos Wallace (28:01)

So they just wanted a way to push me out of the way. Because in their minds, they're like, oh, there can only be one or two people, and it has to be us as a group. It can't be, like, somebody that doesn't want to conform to all of our rules.

Dr. Leslie (28:15)

What do you do with this now? Yeah, because you're hot, gorgeous, funny, talented.

Udos Wallace (28:21)

Oh, I still got it. My face didn't go down.

Dr. Leslie (28:25)

Get my gobble. But, like, how do you just say you all. I'm gonna be my hot, gorgeous, funny self.

Udos Wallace (28:35)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (28:36)

And so that's whatever. I'm gonna show off my body in the way I want, not the way people are painting the picture.

Udos Wallace (28:43)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (28:44)

How are you finding the empowerment to.

Udos Wallace (28:46)

That's what I realized. Like, that's the greatest point out of all of these discoveries, is what I realized with this cause is that you're powerful alone. You don't need anybody. People make it seem like you need this, you need that. You don't need anybody. If anybody wants to do something to change other people's lives or change their lives or whatever you want to do, all you need is yourself, because you alone are very powerful. Like, the power one. Right. So that's my ultimate, like, discovery. I was like, wait a minute. I didn't even need all these people. They just came along. All they did was causing all these distractions and unnecessary drama and you know, all of these things that I didn't even need and I was doing fine by myself. I didn't need all these other things, you know, so that's one of the discoveries. And then like another thing is basically that anything like you put your mind into, you can, you can accomplish it, you know, so it's, you can, you could do anything that you want. All you have to do is just make up your mind, like, I want to do this and you could do it. So with the cause and everything, it's still going, it's all falling into place. I'm still going at it. But now this time around, I'm not dealing with people like, you know, if you want to be cool, you're cool, but I don't, I don't need anybody. Yeah. I don't need anybody to, you know, come in and try to pretend or be a friend or, you know, pretend like they're gonna help with the cause, you know, you either do it because you want to do it or you don't. Like, it's just that simple, you know?

Dr. Leslie (30:33)

I think it's such a huge message for young girls too.

Udos Wallace (30:38)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (30:38)

Like, we can say it. Wait, how old are you? Oh, am I allowed to ask? I'm 21.

Udos Wallace (30:44)

Do you have to say it?

Dr. Leslie (30:45)

Yeah, tell me.

Udos Wallace (30:48)

No, I refuse at my Hollywood age.

Dr. Leslie (30:53)

But I feel like when I turned 40, like I finally, and granted, it was a year ago, but I finally understood, like, it clicked.

Udos Wallace (31:03)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (31:04)

I, I've always tried to do things on my own. I've always felt like the black sheep.

Udos Wallace (31:09)

Yes.

Dr. Leslie (31:10)

But it finally clicked that I was like, I should, could, would, can, and everyone. Because I really don't give two shits about what people think about me.

Udos Wallace (31:21)

Exactly.

Dr. Leslie (31:21)

And I, like, I don't know how to get this across. Like my 20 year old clients.

Udos Wallace (31:25)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (31:26)

I don't know how to like explain that nuance growth other than you just go through your experiences in life and it kind of falls into place.

Udos Wallace (31:34)

Yeah. And I think that, that even if anybody young is listening right now, like, I mean, I had literally been called everything in the book. Like, everything, like, crazy, batshit crazy stuff. I've been called, like, I've been called a porn star, a terrorist, a sand n word, like, you know, racist. Like, I mean, you name it.

Dr. Leslie (31:56)

Like, I get called a cunt. Like, that's probably the most.

Udos Wallace (31:58)

I mean, the cunt. All, all of this is old now. Like that, that stuff was like back in the day, like, I'm like, okay, I kind of surpassed small potatoes Now.

Dr. Leslie (32:07)

Now you're a terrorist.

Udos Wallace (32:08)

Yeah, like, now spy. You know, I mean, well, you do.

Dr. Leslie (32:12)

Speak like 8, 000 languages.

Udos Wallace (32:14)

Like, you know what's so funny about this? I'm like, now that people tell me, they're like, oh, such and such accuse you of being this. Or like, oh, did you see this comment? They're. They're talking smack and they're saying this, and I'm like, oh, that's a new one. They added a new one to my resum. Now it's just like, okay, just add it to my resume.

Dr. Leslie (32:36)

It's that internal strength that we have to carry. That internal reminder of our value.

Udos Wallace (32:41)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (32:42)

And it is hard to combat the negativity and the just everyone telling you you can't do it.

Udos Wallace (32:49)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (32:50)

Like, to carry that thread of, yeah, I fucking can.

Udos Wallace (32:52)

How do you get to love yourself and know your worth? And I think what I came to the realization when I was like, I don't need anyone. Fuck everyone. You know, you're going around trying to look for everything, and everything that you really need is inside you. You don't even need all of these people. They're just basically just there to. I think they were just there to make me realize my own power in the end, you know, And I love that. Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (33:23)

They're just there to make you realize your own power.

Udos Wallace (33:26)

Yeah. And then another thing that I realized too, was somebody said this, and I was like, oh, my God, that's so true. And somebody said that just because you're thirsty doesn't mean you should drink poison. Right. And like, so many of us, we're like, oh, I want to talk to someone. We call someone. We have that friend that's not really a friend, that's just been a hater the whole time, or, you know, the co worker, you know, you just trying to be cool with people. No.

Dr. Leslie (33:57)

Like, stay thirsty.

Udos Wallace (33:59)

Yeah. Stay thirsty.

Dr. Leslie (34:01)

Yeah.

Udos Wallace (34:01)

That's the message. Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (34:05)

Like, I can't even. Like, if you fathom that, can you say more?

Udos Wallace (34:10)

Yeah. So if it feels like you don't have a country, but it's because, first of all, I was Iranian, right? So then when I was five, I moved to Sweden. Then growing up in Sweden, oh, my God, it was, like, so racist. Growing up there. It was the worst. So, like, I knew early on that I had to move, move away from Sweden because there was just. It was just so racist. And there was no way that I was going to be able to be anything there, you know, and. Or even, like, have a happy life kind of thing. Because it was really dark, depressing, it's cold. And then at 17, 18, I also went back to Iran because I wanted to see the country that I was from, Right. Everybody told me, go back to your own country. Like, okay, so I went back to Iran at 17, 18, and then when I was walking around there, people in Iran was talking about me. They're like, oh, look at her, she's European. Let's charge her double. You know, it's just saying stuff like that, which is funny. They thought I was a tourist. They thought it was a European. Maybe because I was in Sweden, I was so pale, you know, because I would never see the sun. So, like, it shows when you go, right? And so when I was there, I didn't feel like I belonged there either. And then, then I come here and then I felt like I kind of belonged here. Right? Because everybody's like, oh, you should try modeling. You're pretty, you know, you can be anything you want. Wow, this is so amazing. Like, and then one of the most this happens.

Dr. Leslie (35:46)

Horrifying, unimaginable things.

Udos Wallace (35:49)

Yeah, it's like, and then the only solution was to be isolated because anywhere I would go, people would talk about me. They would look at me one, and then two, the approval from people that were just determined to hate me anyways, you know, and it was just, what the hell is wrong with people? You know.

Dr. Leslie (36:08)

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Dr. Leslie (40:06)

So now, like, what's your country?

Udos Wallace (40:09)

My country is the U.S. this is the best country in the world out of all the places. And I know this is like as bad as the hack was. I mean, what country can you go from, you know, becoming a citizen, but then being hacked. Right. And leaked and looking like a porn star to the whole world and then decide that you want to change the law and being. Being able to do that. This is the only country that I feel like you can really be anything that you want to be, no matter what the circumstances. Is all you have to do is just be real and like tell your story.

Dr. Leslie (40:47)

Yeah.

Udos Wallace (40:48)

And share everything. And I think that that is another message for anyone else is to just take back your power by sharing your story. It's. That's huge because as long as you let the predators or perpetrators tell their version of you is that's what people are gonna, you know, have the perception of. So you need to be real, you know.

Dr. Leslie (41:12)

Yeah. I tell people all the time when they come in for therapy and they are like, what the hell is therapy? This was so many misconceptions and like, you know, I'm a little different. My goal is that if you can get to a place where you lay out all your shit on the table for everyone to pick through and you don't care, then we've succeeded.

Udos Wallace (41:31)

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (41:32)

I love that. The transparency.

Udos Wallace (41:34)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (41:35)

You got to give empowerment.

Udos Wallace (41:37)

You got to be real. Because if you're not real, then everybody else can tell your story. Yeah. You know, you either tell your own story or you have other people tell your story. And that's how you got to tell your story. It's the only way. Yeah. Right.

Dr. Leslie (41:53)

Can you tell me about the Protect act and Foundation Rock?

Udos Wallace (41:57)

Yeah. So basically the Protect act, what it does is that it verifies age and consent of everyone depicted in the content in adult sites. And that also if God forbid, somebody gets posted non consensually, then they have to swiftly take it down within a very short time frame or a timely timeframe or else they will get heavily fined. And then also implement the fingerprint stamp technology, which basically scans video or an image ahead of time and blocks it from further re uploading. So it would basically block re uploads, block potential non consensual content to get uploaded in the first place. And this is what really is needed because right now everybody can upload whatever they want with just an email address, which is just outrageous. Right, Right. So so basically that's the Protect Act. Foundation Raw is a nonprofit that I started and I started this nonprofit because I wish I had this when I went through this. Right. So what Foundation Raw does that is that we take down anything that's being posted non consensually for free and then offers legal advice. You can get talk to lawyers through Foundation Raw. There's therapy, there's all kinds of resources like it would tell you. Not just laws in the US and statewise, but also laws in internationally. So even if you're international, you can still reach out to Foundation Rom. We can take this stuff down for you for free if you want to do it yourself. You, you know, it has the steps to show you what to do. It explains everything. It has everything, like literally it has everything you could ever imagine and everything is free. So.

Dr. Leslie (43:54)

And it's backed by money that is going to be around for a while while so we can count on it.

Udos Wallace (44:00)

So the backing actually needs donations. So I spent over 350,000 of my own money to get all of this stuff like off the ground like the PROTECT act and Foundation Raw and obviously like I can't keep dishing out money from my own pocket. So I need help with donations and stuff. So if you want to donate, feel free, you can also volunteer, you can you know, share the petition to basically support the PROTECT act. It's on change.org protectact or you can go to foundationraw.com protectact so foundationraw.com go there.

Dr. Leslie (44:38)

Yeah. And I will 100% donate.

Udos Wallace (44:41)

Yeah, like I need donations like crazy because I'm like oh my God, I have all these, you know, services that, which is so crazy too. Like when I reached out to non profits like none of them were able to help me with takedowns with lower lawyers. Like they just wanted like either money or they didn't want to deal with me at all. So like they, I didn't really get help like that. The only help was maybe that they let me share my story through them. But like even that is just so they can get donations, you know, So I don't know. So like I think if anybody survivor, that's the place to go if they want help getting stuff taken down, they want really something, you know, to get done. Right? Yeah. So that's pretty much it.

Dr. Leslie (45:32)

That's incredible.

Udos Wallace (45:33)

Thanks. It's a lot of work. I'm so tired. I know I need a nap right now.

Dr. Leslie (45:39)

So I don't know how much time we have, but I have. What's the future hold?

Udos Wallace (45:45)

What does the future hold?

Dr. Leslie (45:46)

Well, I mean, like, relationships, social media, content, career, what's.

Udos Wallace (45:52)

Yeah, so the future. I realized that I was going a little too hard on this cause and the nonprofit. And, I mean, I put down all the groundwork and everything. So it's all there, and everything is still rolling and it's going now, so that's done. But what I noticed was that I need a balance. Like I was telling you. Like, I feel like my face was going down because I wasn't smiling anymore. And I was. Was someone that came from comedy and, like, having fun and stuff.

Dr. Leslie (46:25)

And then you were noticing, like, physical changes in your appearance because this is such a deep, dark cause.

Udos Wallace (46:30)

Yeah, I was never smiling anymore. I was just listening to all these dark, depressing stories and did filler.

Dr. Leslie (46:35)

Could you do, like, filler or. No. You just needed joy.

Udos Wallace (46:38)

I just needed to work these muscles.

Dr. Leslie (46:40)

Like, smile.

Udos Wallace (46:41)

Yeah, I needed a smile, so. And I realized, you know, why should there be rules that if you want to do this. Cause that you need to only do all these dark, depressing stories or, like, just be in this dense energy all the time. And I was like, wait a minute. I never followed the rules, and I always did everything out of the box, you know, and there shouldn't be any rules for this for me either. So I'm gonna still do my comedy if I want to post a bikini picture, if I want to do entertainment stuff, acting, whatever, and do this. Cause I can't. Like, it's my life, and everybody else can off, basically. So, yeah, so I'm like. And it's the same for anyone. Don't let them put you in a box, because you're not just one thing. You can do many different things all at once. So I think that that was another thing that I learned. So, yeah, now it's good balance. I'm doing comedy. I'm doing my acting stuff. You know, I'm still doing this. This. Yeah. So. And relationships. I don't know. Right now I'm happy. I don't need any problems. You know, when I feel like having problems, I'll have a relationship.

Dr. Leslie (47:57)

What's the ideal guy?

Udos Wallace (47:59)

Oh, the rock.

Dr. Leslie (48:01)

The rock.

Udos Wallace (48:04)

I know probably, like, people were like, is he married?

Dr. Leslie (48:07)

I can't.

Udos Wallace (48:08)

Yeah, yeah, he's. He's pretty married. But, like, that's still my guy. He's been my guy, like, since when I first started I'm like that, the Rock. Like, you know, but then like his.

Dr. Leslie (48:19)

Appearance or his acting ability because that's questionable.

Udos Wallace (48:24)

Well, a little bit the appearance, you know, but. But I think it's just he, he's got this silly personality. Like, you know, so I think I know.

Dr. Leslie (48:35)

But that's why I'm like, okay.

Udos Wallace (48:37)

I think he's his.

Dr. Leslie (48:39)

Sometimes his movies are cringe worthy.

Udos Wallace (48:41)

The movies is like he needs to stop doing the action stuff and start doing some dramatic acting. Like he could do it. Why not just do it? I totally believe he could do it. He's. He's a good actor.

Dr. Leslie (48:52)

Like a hostage kind of role where he's like saving a hostage.

Udos Wallace (48:55)

Like dramatic acting. Like, like he goes into the character and becomes something else other than a superhero. Like, you know, there's something dark, you know, and, and depressing. Like you know, he could do it and because he could do comedy, he could do action. He's got a wide range of things that he could do. So. I believe in you, the Rock. Like I know you could do some dramatic acting and do some deep dance maybe about some image based sexual abuse and then he's like the father and then he goes and like murders everybody.

Dr. Leslie (49:29)

I like that.

Udos Wallace (49:30)

Yeah. Okay.

Dr. Leslie (49:31)

Oh, he could be like a.

Udos Wallace (49:32)

He could still be the hero but just in other ways.

Dr. Leslie (49:34)

Like a vengeance series of him just murdering bad people.

Udos Wallace (49:38)

Maybe he could be like, oh, he would be a good psychopath. I think like, like he could be. Be like a psychopath for good, you know.

Dr. Leslie (49:47)

Okay. Yeah, I think he should just kill like pedophiles and then, you know.

Udos Wallace (49:51)

Yeah. And like torture them.

Dr. Leslie (49:53)

Yeah, yeah, Just a bad.

Udos Wallace (49:55)

Yeah, I like that.

Dr. Leslie (49:56)

Hackers. Maybe he could just kill hackers.

Udos Wallace (50:01)

Starting to sound personal.

Dr. Leslie (50:05)

I'm so pumped you came on.

Udos Wallace (50:07)

Thank you.

Dr. Leslie (50:08)

I love getting to know you in person. Even though we've texted and called and.

Udos Wallace (50:12)

Yeah, I feel like I can talk to you forever. This episode is going to be like 10 hours long.

Dr. Leslie (50:18)

Because it's great. Well, we're just going to have a few hours. Fuck this. We're just going to go out to dinner. Yeah. Tell everyone where they can like follow you, help donate everything.

Udos Wallace (50:29)

Okay. So you can follow me at udo. So it's U L D O U Z. And you can go to foundationraw.com and like I say, you can sign the petition, you can volunteer, you can donate. Donate, please. And then, yeah, any way that you want to support. You can basically reach out on social media too, either through me or Foundation Raw at Foundation Raw, basically so that's.

Dr. Leslie (50:56)

And for comedy video, is that, like.

Udos Wallace (50:59)

My main page, YouTube, or all my main platforms? I'm doing all of them. So, like, I have some of the. Cause I have some of the comedy. I'm doing a lot of comedy now because I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like. It feels like I'm doing the. The universe a service by doing this dense, like, energy and then making them laugh at the same time, you know?

Dr. Leslie (51:21)

Yeah.

Udos Wallace (51:21)

And then it's doing it for me, too. So I'm like, oh, my God. Laughing at my own jokes like John Singleton told me not to do.

Dr. Leslie (51:28)

Good.

Udos Wallace (51:28)

Yeah.

Dr. Leslie (51:29)

Kudos to Udos.

Udos Wallace (51:31)

Working out my face muscles. Good.

Dr. Leslie (51:35)

Perfect. I love it.

Udos Wallace (51:37)

Yeah. All right, well, thank you for having me.

Dr. Leslie (51:40)

Thank you for doing this.

Udos Wallace (51:42)

Yeah, we're gonna go. We're gonna go and hug each other now.

Dr. Leslie (51:45)

I only had Persian friends. Like, I only like Persian people.

Udos Wallace (51:49)

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we got good food, you know.

Dr. Leslie (51:53)

Seriously.

Udos Wallace (51:53)

Yeah. We're loyal energy. Yeah. Like, that's it. That's all you need.

Dr. Leslie (51:58)

Yeah. Thank you so much for listening to my conversation with Udos. My biggest takeaway is that no matter what the world throws at you, you have the ability to define yourself on your own terms. I'm Dr. Leslie, and this has been Intentionally disturbing. I'll see you next time, friends. Intentionally Disturbing is a podcast from me, Dr. Leslie. It's distributed by iHeartMedia. Liam Billingham is the senior producer, and he also edits the show and puts up with my.

Udos Wallace (52:47)

My.

Dr. Leslie (52:49)

Katie Cobbs does the social media, and she attempts to keep me in my lane. Not always successful. The executive producers are Paul Anderson and Scott McCarthy for Workhouse Media, who have told me not to text them 24 7. But you know what? I'm still the boss. Thanks again for listening. We'll see you next week for more.

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