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Intentionally Disturbing
VANISHED YOUNG MOM, 26, MISSING AFTER GETTING IN PICKUP WITH 2 MYSTERY MEN
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Nancy Grace
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Nancy Grace
Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Vanished a beautiful young mom, just 26 years old. A mom of one goes missing after getting into a pickup with two mystery men. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Sarah Ebersole
Sarah Ebersolt vanished after getting into a black pickup truck in Reddick, Florida and was never seen again.
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Nancy Grace
Where is Sarah? Behind in the wake of her disappearance? Is her little girl wanting Mommy? Listen to this.
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Sarah Ebersole
Sarah Gail Ebersol, 28, is missing from Reddick, Florida. The young mom has not been seen or heard from since March 3, leaving a house party just a mile and a half from her home. Sarah is 5 foot 1, 116 pounds with blonde hair and blue eyes. Has a small Kokopelli tattoo on her right hip. Marion County Sheriffs believe Sarah is in danger. If you have information on Sara Gail Ebers, please call Detective Ryan Stith at 352-368-3542.
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Nancy Grace
Where is this beautiful young mom? Why was she spotted in a pickup truck with two so called mystery men joining me in All Star panel? But first, I want to go out to her sister who has been leading the search for Sarah Michelle Tullis. Thank you for being with us.
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Michelle Tullis
Thank you for having me.
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Nancy Grace
Michelle, when you first learned that your sister was missing, what went through your mind and how did you find out?
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Michelle Tullis
Well, I knew it wasn't normal behavior. I tried to contact Sarah. She wasn't responding for 24 hours. She also had not responded to her roommate. So then we tried to reach out to the Marion County Sheriff's Department immediately.
- [04:06]
Nancy Grace
You know, she was always so reliable. Never missed work. Loved her little girl. I'm just trying to think through the facts surrounding Sarah's disappearance. Everybody take a look at Sarah Ebersole. Just stunning young woman, a young mom in love with her little girl. What went wrong? As of tonight, no sign of Sarah. So what do we know? We've backtracked her movements.
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Giovanni Diaz
Listen, when Sarah Ebersol gets off work at 7pm Thursday, March 2, she grabs a ride home from a co worker. Sarah's roommate Deborah is out of town and Sarah texts her about trash pickup. Deborah tells her to get their friend Lonnie to pick up the TR. Nothing out of the ordinary. At 9:45pm, Sarah walks to a corner store near her apartment but realizes she won't make it before they close. At 10pm, still wanting to grab a few items, Sarah gets Lonnie to drive her to a Circle K a mile up the highway.
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Nancy Grace
Joining me in All Star panel to make sense of what we're learning tonight, you have already met Sarah's sister, Michelle. Now, straight out to Giovanni Diaz, investigative reporter, WFTV 9 in Florida, professor at Valencia College. Giovanni, thank you for being with us. I'm just thinking in terms of a mom. Okay? That's how I'm seeing this. And as a crime victim myself, a lot of the scenarios surrounding Sarah's disappearance doesn't make sense to me. But I want to start with her walking. She gets a ride home with a co worker and then she realized she wants to go to the convenience store, Circle K. Now, I don't know if Circle K's are all around the country, but in quasi rural areas, it's normal to walk a half a mile to the Circle K and walk back home with your stuff. Very normal. When I was growing up in rural Georgia, middle Georgia, that was commonplace. We would walk to the corner store or the Mac Bryant's grocery store, which was a little bit further, and would take our bikes. It was no big deal. So explain to me, Giovanni, that night she gets home from work and she needs to go to the grocery store, so she wants a ride to Circle K. Is that correct?
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Matthew Barhoma
That's exactly correct. Thanks for having me. And you refer to this as someone who has been a victim yourself and also as a mother. And I actually approached this as someone who also lost his sister. You know, I also lost my sister. And I actually applaud Michelle for all the work that she's been doing, she's been doing on behalf of her sister here, because she's really been pushing this story and pushing for investigation into what happened to Sarah. But that's exactly correct. She actually basically vanished, and nobody really knows what happened to her. I actually went to the store where she was last seen. At the time, people are aware of her disappearance. They know the story when I got there and I mentioned what I was doing there, try to gather information about. About Sarah. People know the story. People know about Sarah. They are just as stunned about her disappearance as everyone else is, especially folks from her family. But again, really, there's at this point, which is the most outrageous part of this case, is that we still don't have any leads into where Sarah is, and this is still a case of a missing person.
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Nancy Grace
You know, Giovanni, I'm trying to process everything you just said. You got me drinking out of the fire hydrant. That was too much too fast. So you've been to the Circle K where she was last spotted and in fact spotted on video. We know she was there. We know what time she was there. It was timestamped. And this was not an irresponsible mom. She showed up to work every day. She took care of her daughter. And, I mean, she was back and forth with the roommate. The roommate, Deborah, was at an annual women's veterans retreat. They were texting back and forth about trash pickup. And that seems so normal and somewhat mundane. And you know what I've noticed? Don't move. Giovanni Diaz to Dr. Leslie Dobson. Joining us, clinical forensic psychologist and host of a brand new podcast, Intentionally Disturbing. You can find her at drlesliedobson.com, author of the Friend Cleanse. Dr. Leslie, thank you for being with us. Just something Giovanni said. We were talking about that she needed to go pick up things from Circle K, that she was texting back and forth with her roommate who was at this female veterans get together over the weekend about the trash pickup. You know, I think the bulk of my texts with my husband pick up this from the grocery store. Are you getting the twins? Roll the trash out, do this. Did you turn off the coffee pot? It's part of a rhythm, right? It's seemingly to everybody else, it's mundane, but it's our world. And it always shocked me so much when my fiance was murdered. Everything was just fine. Everything was fine. And then all of a sudden, life stopped. It's like the world exploded. And that's the way it is here. One moment, this mother of one is texting, hey, when's trash pickup? The next thing you know, she's gone and she hasn't been seen since. That dichotomy, Dr. Leslie, is very hard for the human mind to take in.
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Michelle Tullis
Definitely. You know, it's a concept we call ambiguous loss, where we don't have closure until we figure out what has happened to the individual. So I commend her sister for trying and continuing through this. But the pain is almost worse than actually finding out the result.
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Nancy Grace
Right.
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Michelle Tullis
The pain of carrying the weight of not knowing is so traumatic and horrible for everyone involved.
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Nancy Grace
Yeah. You know, Dr. Leslie, I'm just thinking about what her little girl is going through. You know, she's going to have birthdays and Christmases without mother Less. Sarah is found. Michelle Tullis, when it actually sinked into you, jumping off what Dr. Leslie Dobson just said, that she didn't just let her phone die. She just wasn't out of range. She wasn't at a party or having a great first date with someone and not picking her phone up when it really hit you. My sister is missing. I guess the closest person in the world to me next to my twins and husband is my sister. We grew up together. We're very much alike. We look alike, everything. How did. What happened when you realized she just doesn't have a flat tire and her phone's dead, she's really gone.
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Michelle Tullis
Right. My sister had actually messaged me before she went missing. So when I messaged her saying, hey, Sarah, where are you at? She's not responding. I knew something immediately was wrong because maybe 24 hours of her phone you needed to charge or she broke it, get a new one. But never with Sarah. Just not respond. She just wasn't irresponsible like that.
- [11:19]
Nancy Grace
Where is Sarah? Sarah Ebersole, her life in front of her, just 26 years old. To Giovanni Diaz, joining me, investigative reporter WFTV 9 in Florida. When you went to the Circle K, I mean, I can envision it because they're all over the southeastern part of the country. Tell me about it. Are there. Is there a big parking lot in the front on the sides? Is there a parking lot in the back? Is there a heavily wooded area behind it? Is there a spot for dumpsters where things can be thrown? Is it. Are there businesses on either side? Just describe it for us.
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Matthew Barhoma
It really is exactly how you mentioned, except that there is not a lot of businesses around. It really is just one single location surrounded by wood. And, you know, it's a very heavy, heavily wooded area and a big parking lot right in front of it. Actually, when I went in there and, you know, I told folks that I was a news reporter trying to find more information about the case of Sarah, they asked me if I, if I knew what had happened to her. There was any, like, there were any updates on the story. There were. People are questioning about it. And as I was doing, you know, walking around trying to piece together the path that she followed that night. And you see, once again, a lot of props to Michelle for the work she's been doing on this case because there are signs with the phone number. Please reach out to us if we have any information about Sarah. There is like there was a reward put out for any information regarding her location at this point. And people just stop us to ask, can you, do you know, do you know anything about her? Do you know if you know what's happened? Is there any new development on this case? Because the whole community there in the area and really across central Florida is watching to see what happened. Because as you mentioned, it really is astounding to imagine that this girl was just going to work. She was just a normal person doing her thing. And she's here now, and five minutes later, she's gone. We do know that she took a final picture, and I think we just showed that picture there. That was one of the final pictures that Sarah took. And then after that, we really.
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Nancy Grace
There you can see in the background the Citgo gas tank. I want to jump off what Giovanni Diaz just told us. WFTV 9. Joining me now, Ashley Wardlaw, private investigator, chief operation officer at Nathan's Investigations. In the Florida jurisdiction. Ashley, thank you for being with us. What Giovanni just said presents another problem. Now, it sounds very much like I said, where I grew up in middle Georgia. Rural. Rural middle Georgia. And we would have to walk literally just under a mile to get to the corner store. Then actually we couldn't go there anymore because they started selling beer on Sunday and mom was like, no, we are never setting foot in there again. Okay. Then we had to walk to the PEP station, which is a gas station that sells snacks, or all the way to Mac Brine's grocery store, which is even further. So what I'm saying is there's nothing around it. You don't have additional surveillance on either side. Like if you're in Manhattan or if you're in the city of Atlanta, where you can see how investigators can put together a video of montage of, okay, they went by this red light, then they came to this store, then they passed this security video and you see the vehicle or the person traveling along and you can trace them. It's not hard, but not here in this jurisdiction.
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Ashley Wardlaw
Yes, Nancy, working cases and these rural or country areas, it definitely can be difficult for an investigator when you don't have the go to's, which would be, let me check surveillance, let me check the neighbors surveillance. Let me, you know, pull footage from another nearby business when the nearby business is miles away. So the best thing for an investigator to do would be to use time. You know, time is of the essence for a case like this, checking with people who was at the gas station, because memories fade, right over time, the memory fade. So we have to canvas, we have to do interviews immediately. If there is, you know, some type of phone evidence that we need to examine, that needs to be done immediately. And I think with this case, just, you know, time would slip away when, you know, someone's being told, you know, come back a week later instead of, you know, jumping immediately into doing the investigation. But yeah, these rural areas, it can get difficult, but it's not impossible.
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Nancy Grace
Where is 26 year old mom of one Sarah Ebersole? What I'm about to tell you will make you cringe. Second verse, same as the first. Listen.
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Sarah Ebersole
Inside the Circle K, Sarah meets up with two cowboys. Her new friends invited her to a party. At 10:11pm Sarah takes a selfie from inside a black pickup truck and texts the picture to her sister Michelle with the caption, girl, I just jumped into a random car with some cowboys and I hope they take me on a ride.
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Nancy Grace
Joining me in addition to the guest You've already met Matthew Barhoma joining us out of la, Veteran trial lawyer with power trial lawyers. Matthew, thank you for being with us. Can you take off your defense hat just one moment? Do you just groan or grimace when you hear about another innocent woman who thinks, okay, that's going to be fun and goes with guys she's never met before to a party?
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Matthew Barhoma
Of course, Absolutely. I mean, you know, there seems to be that there's relationships that are, they're strangers they just met, maybe people that wouldn't necessarily care for your well being. Right. So there's certainly a lot of questions that I have from LA perspective about who these individuals are. How did they come to meet and how well do they care about each other and know each other?
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Nancy Grace
Guys, we have heard this story over and over again. As of right now, we don't know where Sarah Ebersole is. We don't know who took her. We don't know if she's still alive. But the search for her is ongoing right now. Ledge led largely by her sister. Joining us tonight, Michelle. But, but again, it's the second verse, same as the first. Does the name Natalee Holloway ring a bell? Natalee Holloway is among more than 100 seniors on a graduation trip to Aruba from Alabama. The night before their trip home, Natalie and her friends go to Carlos and Charlie's, a restaurant and nightclub frequented by tourists. The teens head back to their hotel rooms, but no one notices that Natalie isn't with them. When I first got the call, the caller said that Natalie was missing and that no one had seen her and.
- [18:32]
Giovanni Diaz
That she'd missed her flight.
- [18:34]
Nancy Grace
And in that instant, I knew, I knew instantly that something was terribly wrong. That's my friend Natalie's mother Beth speaking. And it did not have a good ending. Listen to Joran Van Der Sloot. She tells me she doesn't want me to feel her up. I insist I keep feeling her up either way. And she knees me. She ends up kneeing me in the crotch. When she needs me in the crotch, I get up on the beach and I kick her extremely hard in the face. Yeah, she's laying down unconscious, possibly even even dead, but definitely unconscious. And I see right next to her there's a huge cinder block laying on the beach. To Dr. Leslie Dobson, joining us, author of Intentionally Disturbing. Dr. Leslie it all seems fun and innocent. At the time when Natalie Holloway met Jorn Van Der Sloot and his friends, the Kalpo Brothers, everything was fine. She was on a high school trip down to Aruba. Everyone was enjoying the night. It was the night before they were coming back home to the US to Alabama and they were going to go down to the beach. What could go wrong? I've seen a lot of victims shaming Dr. Leslie, but remember, these are young people. Natalie was a teen. Sarah had just turned 26. Right. And she meets these guys. And why should she think that anything's wrong about going to a party? Why should she just assume something horrible or nefarious is going to happen to her? Exactly. We, we should be able to go.
- [20:27]
Michelle Tullis
About our lives safely without the risk of losing our life or disappearing. And it's horrifying, but it is such.
- [20:34]
Nancy Grace
A sad part of this world that.
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Michelle Tullis
We have to deal with. And I mean, people saw her.
- [20:41]
Nancy Grace
People saw her. Somebody saw her last.
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Michelle Tullis
Somebody needs to answer for this. This is not her fault.
- [20:48]
Nancy Grace
Guys, let's advance the knowledge of what we have right now about what happened to Sarah. Listen.
- [20:55]
Sarah Ebersole
James Bubba Robinson shares a duplex with couple Jimmy schaller and Tisha McDermott. Bubba and Sarah spend hours socializing with Jimmy and Tisha with Sarah documenting their time together with numerous cloud saved photos both outside and inside the home. At 1:24am, Bubba texts a friend, Tyrone Mormon. Mormon invites himself over to Bubba's house. Sarah's Gmail shows she was watching YouTube videos around 2:40am At 2:57am, Sarah's phone syncs for the last time.
- [21:24]
Nancy Grace
2:57Am we know she did go to a party. Michelle told us this is Sarah Ebersol's sister because she was having fun and taking selfies and she was enjoying the evening at this party, this house party with another couple, Jimmy and Tisha. We know that because they have photos together, selfies. They were taken together. We know she was there until around 2:40am Is that correct, Michelle?
- [21:56]
Michelle Tullis
Yes. Jimmy provided photos from his device when I requested them. April of 2023.
- [22:01]
Nancy Grace
You're seeing the photos we were showing of that evening, the last evening we can place her whereabout. It was all innocent, Everything was fine. Couples were having fun, they were listening to music, they were taking selfies. When you don't know where to go, you go back and you try to figure out who is your victim, who was her inner circle, who was she with when she goes missing? Who is Sarah Ebersole? This is what we've learned.
- [22:34]
Sarah Ebersole
Sarah Van, born and raised in Florida of the youngest of seven siblings, spends most of her childhood in Sarasota, but in her teen years moves to Danellen with sister Michelle. At just 18, Sarah marries her first love Thomas Ebersole. The young couple quickly realizes they move too quickly and part ways amicably just a year later. Sarah Keeping the Ebersol name.
- [22:58]
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Nancy Grace
Matthew Barhoma joining us. Veteran trial lawyer out of la. That's what we call a starter marriage. Don't read too much into it, Right?
- [26:11]
Matthew Barhoma
Right. And she kept the last name.
- [26:14]
Nancy Grace
So she did. She kept Ebersol as the last name and the two split amicably. And then she finds love. Listen.
- [26:23]
Giovanni Diaz
After her first marriage, Sarah begins seeing Joseph Maten. The couple is soon expecting a baby girl. But while pregnant, Sarah obtains a restraining order against Mayton after a physical assault. The parents are in court for custody decisions before Sarah even gives birth. And just a few days after her daughter's birth, Sarah changes her name from Dahlia Van to Cora Maton at the.
- [26:45]
Nancy Grace
Father'S demand with me, Sarah Ebersole's sister, Michelle Tullis, who has led the search for her own sister. That relationship, that is the baby girl we're talking about, baby Cora. Sarah struggled to get along with Matin, Joseph Maten, Korah's dad. The two split. What was the main problem? I understand Sarah Ebersol had to get a restraining order against the husband.
- [27:16]
Michelle Tullis
He did have to get a restraining order. He had physically assaulted her while pregnant. So then she went to the court to obtain that restraining order to protect her and her unborn child. It was enacted for six months. He left and went to another state. And then after six months, he showed back up in Florida where Sarah and her daughter were living with me. And that's where the custody battle started.
- [27:35]
Nancy Grace
So I understand that to keep the peace, Sarah changed the baby's name. At first she didn't have the mate. And last name. But at the dad, the bio dad's request, she changed Cora's name to Cora Maton from Dahlia Van. Is that correct?
- [27:57]
Michelle Tullis
Correct. Right before she turned 1 years old.
- [27:59]
Giovanni Diaz
Marion county sheriffs tracked Sarah to a Circle K convenience store two miles from her home in Reddick, Florida. Security footage captures Sarah inside the store, then saying goodbye to Lonnie and getting in one of the men's black truck. At 10:10pm several smiling selfies with the men indicate Sarah left with them willingly.
- [28:18]
Nancy Grace
How many times have we heard the same scenario? Now it's Sarah Ebersole, who goes missing after a night partying with new friends that she meets at the Circle K, having no idea she may never see her little girl again. Very often, we as investigators and prosecutors see the same scenario unfold where unwittingly you end up with someone you've never met before. Like Kristen Smart.
- [28:48]
Sarah Ebersole
Kristen Smart was enrolled at Cal Poly in San Luis Obispo, California. As Memorial Day weekend rolled around, Smart made plans to attend a birthday party for a fellow student. Students Cheryl Anderson and Tim Davis walked Smart back to her dorm. Along the way, another student from the party, Paul Flores, joins their group. He offers to help Smart get to her dorm room safely.
- [29:09]
Nancy Grace
You know, that makes me think to Dr. Leslie Dobson joining us, psychologist, I don't like the way that Sarah Ebersol has been portrayed. She met some guys, they invited her to a party, a house party that was hosted by another couple, and she went. Somehow, as you hear Kristen Smart's mom say, I don't like the way they refer to my daughter as that drunk girl. That was not Kristen Smart. She was brilliant. All as she went to a get together and was walking home with friends. And then they peeled off. And the only one walking her home then was her killer, now convicted. I mean, that was through no fault of her own. And I see the same smear job dragging Sara Ebersolt through the mud in this case. Because she went to a party. Exactly.
- [30:02]
Michelle Tullis
And as somebody who worked at Cal Poly and I walked by that dorm room where she was killed, and Paul Flores has a pattern. So many people came out and spoke out about Paul Flores after that happened. There is somebody surrounding this case with Sarah who has a history, and history is our indication of what future is going to lead to.
- [30:25]
Nancy Grace
To Michelle Tolus joining me. This is Sarah's sister, Michelle. The way that Sarah has been portrayed, I don't like it at all. She did nothing wrong, yet somehow it's easier to go, oh, she met these guys in a Circle K And took off in their black pickup. This is all on her. It's not all on her. Do you ever get tired of hearing that?
- [30:46]
Michelle Tullis
I do. Sarah was such a kind spirit. She would have immersed herself in anything the world had to offer. She thought everyone was a new personality and a new experience.
- [30:55]
Nancy Grace
What more do we know? We know that somehow someone tried to reset her password that night. Listen.
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Giovanni Diaz
Sarah's Google account history shows she was on YouTube until 2:40am March 3. Later that day, the account history was viewed and deleted. Just before 2pm March 3, someone tries to reset Sarah's Snapchat password. The new login link was sent to her email, but it's unclear if the attempt was sent successful. There has been no further digital activity on Sarah's emails, social media or bank accounts since.
- [31:33]
Nancy Grace
To Giovanni Diaz, WFTV 9. Could you explain that in slow mo for me? Someone's changing her password and deleting her search history. What?
- [31:44]
Matthew Barhoma
And at this point, that's all we really have. All those records of her digital footprint. Right. As the one of your guests just mentioned, there was no videos nearby, There was no other businesses nearby to kind of pinpoint what happened to her after the moment she was picked up by that, you know, for that ride that she went into. So at this point, all the investigators into this case have is basically all those digital marks from phones and every, you know, all of those pictures that were taken and the attempt to change that password, that email actually was sent to her to. To Sarah. Because that's the standard how when you try to change your password on your phone. And Michelle was actually able to find that later on because of her personal investigation into this case. And that's as much as the investigators have. I actually interviewed the Marion County Sheriff's Department about this case, and they wouldn't really give me a lot of information about this. They only said that they have a lot of leads. They're still looking into potential connections with other people that kind of were located in the nearby area. But at this point, and was the last time I interviewed them, they said they could not share a lot about this case because. Because it is still under investigation, which to me seems a little problematic because we have made no further discovery into this case.
- [33:05]
Nancy Grace
Michelle, regarding discovering, you discovered not police, not law enforcement, not some crack detective, but you discovered someone had tried to change her password. How did that happen?
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Michelle Tullis
I gained access to Sarah's Gmail account. And when I figured Marin county wasn't taking this seriously as a missing person's case, and I could see the access to the snapshot which I notified them immediately and then throughout the investigation. I then continued to go ahead and get into other accounts, gmail and her icloud where you can see the video interactions throughout the night and I also surveillance area and located the truck that my sister got into.
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Nancy Grace
Where is 26 year old Sarah Ebersole, the mother of one little girl? Now we learn that fateful night when she was last seen, last seen in a Circle K video and last seen taking selfies at a party with the other couples that were there that very evening someone went into her digital account and tried to change her password. Not only that, her account history was viewed and deleted. Now why would someone go in to reset your Snapchat password? We know that because a new login was sent to her email, but I wonder if that person couldn't access her email to make it complete. A complete change very reminiscent of fraudulent activity on murder victim Gabby Petito's cell phone.
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Sarah Ebersole
In the aftermath of Gabby Petito's murder, the Petito family alleges that Brian Laundrie used Gabby's phone to send text messages to her family in an attempt to deceive them. Among the messages Brian Laundrie is believed to have sent is a text message to Gabby's mother, Nicole Schmidt about Gabby's grandfather. In the text he refers to Gabby's grandfather as Stan. Schmidt has stated Gabby never called her grandfather by his first name and that the text was highly suspicious.
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Nancy Grace
Michelle, Mrs. Sarah's sister, was that normal? Would Sarah did she frequently change her passwords?
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Michelle Tullis
This particular access to the Snapchat happened on an account she had not used since 2017, so it would not be an account she would attempt to access.
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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Ashley Wardlaw Joining us, Private Investigator Chief Operations Officer Nathan's Investigations. Ashley again, thank you for being with us. That is a multi step process to go through. View your search history, delete your search history, you know line by line, then go through the hoops of trying to change a password. That takes a lot of effort and I find it really hard to believe that at a party this 26 year old mom of one is sitting at the party changing her password and deleting her search history. That did not happen. Ashley yes, that's very, very suspicious.
- [39:17]
Ashley Wardlaw
Nancy for someone to take the initiative to even Start the process to recover a password. It is a multi step process, right? You just don't go and click forgot password and you get to make a new one. You have to go through loopholes nowadays to, you know, get access to an email to reset the password. Sometimes they send you text messages to be able to authenticate, you know, who you are to reset this passcode. So it's very, very suspicious that that was going on at the time when she's supposed to be partying.
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Nancy Grace
Interesting that Sarah's sister has to lead the charge in finding her.
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Sarah Ebersole
Listen, Sarah's sister, Michelle Tulis begins searching the area for the black truck. She doesn't have to look hard. A black truck matching the surveillance footage is parked at a home less than a tenth of a mile from the Circle K. The owner, Leonard Anderson, recognizes a photo of Sarah saying she accepted his buddy James Robinson's invitation to a house party and he dropped them off at Robinson's home next door the night of March 2nd.
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Nancy Grace
Okay, so once again we're corroborating those photos that we already see about the house party at the couple's home. There's more. Listen.
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Sarah Ebersole
Leonard Anderson and James Robinson are happy to speak to Marion County Sheriffs about Sarah. Robinson says Sarah joined him and his roommates for a small house party. Photos Sarah took that night show her posing with Robinson, James Schaller and his girlfriend, Tisha McDermott. The girls even took turns modeling outfits from Tisha's closet. 1:24am Robinson texts friend Tyrone Mormon about the party and Mormon decides to come over. Robinson says when the party wound up down, Mormon offered to get Sarah home. Robinson says he helped Sarah to his car between 3 and 5am so bring.
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Nancy Grace
Me up to this point. Giovanni Diaz, WFTV 9. So they're stating they are with her, they partied into the night and they're all going back to his car at between 3 and 5am Is that correct?
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Matthew Barhoma
That's correct. And at this point, that's the only person in this story that actually connects all of those locations and everything that so far we know about what happened to Sarah. And that's where this is. That's where our dead end is. I actually specifically asked this the Marion County Sheriff's Office when I did this story, what can you tell us about this person, Tyrone Moorman? And they basically were very tight lipped about it. And once again, we go back to the digital aspect of this because he also deleted information from his phone.
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Nancy Grace
Okay, Giovanni Diaz. I don't like the sound of this guy. Mormon Deleting things from his own phone from that night. You know, if you look at my phone, I've got 7,000 literally unread messages. I'm not picking through all that to delete something specific. Why was he deleting messages? It's very, very disturbing that he would pick those messages to delete. And that's not all. Listen.
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Giovanni Diaz
Tyrone Moorman refuses to talk. Deputies get a search warrant for his phone, but Mormon misses his appointment to extract the data. Mormon claims he smashed the phone, so he trashed it. However, Mormon's girlfriend says that isn't true. Tyrone Mormon is arrested for lying to police. When investigators arrive to search his home for the phone, he turns it over. Information from the device shows Sarah and Mormon stop at a convenience store in northeast Marion county, but no further movements are determined.
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Nancy Grace
Okay, right there. Joining me, veteran defense attorney Matthew Barhoma, joining us out of la@powertrial lawyers.com. matthew, I can't wait to see a defense attorney just like you try to explain again, he's not been named a suspect, and he is innocent under the eyes of the law until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. But explain to me. Give me your best shot at why you, Matthew Barhoma, would delete things off your phone and then smash your cell phone and then tell police it was on the blink. So it was all an accident, so you threw it away.
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Matthew Barhoma
You know, Nancy, the beauty of American jurisprudence is that he doesn't have to answer that, okay? That's what the Fifth Amendment right is all about.
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Nancy Grace
Look around you, please. Matthew, Matthew, Matthew, look around. Do you see a judge? Do you see a box for the jury? You're not in court, so don't tell me what's coming into evidence on crime stories. I'm asking you, how do you explain that technical legal term bs? Did they teach you that in law school?
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Matthew Barhoma
Well, I'll tell you what it is, okay? Deleting information off of your phone is not evidence of murder. It just doesn't bring you there. Right. It's not evidence of foul play. It doesn't bring you there. It's not evidence of harboring someone such as Sarah. It doesn't bring you there. There's still a missing piece of a material piece of evidence that's missing, that corroborates or that links M. Foreman and Sarah the victim. So unfortunately, even though he's deleted these items and even though he's lied to the police, he's been charged, right?
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Nancy Grace
Okay, you know what? You just tell that to a jury. Again, this guy has not been named a suspect in this case. But you know who he makes me think of. Let me go out to Giovanni Diaz joining us from Florida. Does the name Madeline Soto, Maddie Soto. She was just throwing 13 years old when she was murdered by mommy's live in Stephan Sterns. According to police he's presumed innocent. You know what he did? He deleted everything off of his phone. But ding dong didn't realize a lot of it's up in the cloud including videos that he took before she was killed. See when I hear deleting things off my phone, why? Why that night, the night that he was with Sarah Ebersole. Why delete that of all things. And what a coinky dink Giovanni, that he's deleting things off his phone at the same time somebody is trying to change Sarah's password and deleting her search history. That doesn't bother you?
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Matthew Barhoma
It's very interesting that you actually mentioned Madeline Soto because I was actually in court just two weeks ago for an updated hearing on this case regarding involving specifically information about deleting data from your phone while an investigation is ongoing. And that's exactly what we are talking about here. Yeah, as your guest mentioned there, it's not a crime that he deleted that. It's a crime that he lied to law enforcement at the time of his connection with police. He wasn't arrested initially. He was questioned about the case and he provided false information. And that's the reason why he now currently faces charges for that for lying to law enforcement. And that's the reason why we are still here at this point trying to understand why he would do that. And at the same time as he is he's being charged with that. But he's out on Bond. He paid $10,000 to respond to his.
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Nancy Grace
So he's walking free. I get it Giovanni. Ashley Wardlow also joining us from the Florida jurisdiction, very well known private investigator Ashley. Now to hear Matthew Barhoma. And I respect him him, he's a great lawyer tell it. That's just, you know, I don't have to prove anything just because I smashed my phone and threw it away and deleted. What happened then? I, I was with Sarah Ebersole. But then he clams up and refuses to speak. I mean Ashley, I know I can't comment on this to a jury but look around everybody. We're not in a courtroom right now. We can talk about it. Remember that crazy first amendment we can have freedom of speech. And I am free to say when someone Refuses to cooperate with police about what happened to a missing young mom. And you're with her last? I would want to say, yes, I was with her. We walked to my car. I drove her home. She got out, she waved goodbye, and then I left. And I haven't heard from her since. Why? Where is she? That's what I would think. We would hear from him, but he's refusing to speak. Does that concern you, Ashley?
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Ashley Wardlaw
Absolutely it concerns me. Because if you don't have anything to hide, then why are you hiding something? Right.
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Nancy Grace
Yes.
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Ashley Wardlaw
The actual act of deleting something isn't illegal. But when it comes down to it, you know, as a private investigator, we're just really interested in what is in that device. What did you delete? Because when you think you deleted something, most of the time we are still able to uncover it.
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Sarah Ebersole
The shoes Sarah is seen wearing in photos at Robinson's home are found inside her home, but her phone and wallet are not. There are no signs of a struggle. No clothes left out like Sarah changed. And a pack of cigarettes and a lighter on the front porch missing from the home. A binder of information Sarah kept on her ex's criminal history. Legal documentation of her daughter's name. Change a key. Egg Teddy bear with a dahlia flower for Cora's middle name. And Sarah's toothbrush, hairbrush and makeup brushes.
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Nancy Grace
Michelle, tell us. Joining us this is Sarah's sister who has led the search for her sister. What does that tell you? I can see the shoes, Michelle, that Sarah's wearing in the photos that night at the house party at that couple's home. Can we see that photo? I see the shoes. And those shoes are found in her home. See those shoes right there? Those exact shoes are found in her home, which says, Michelle, she came home. What do you deduce, Michelle?
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Michelle Tullis
Right. You would presume that my sister made it home and that something happened after she arrived home. Did somebody else pick her up or what happened? We just don't know.
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Nancy Grace
Was it her cigarettes? Was it her lighter on the front porch?
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Michelle Tullis
Yes, it was.
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Nancy Grace
Because I remember my paternal grandmother would sneak a cigarette and she would go outside and smoke one cigarette and then come back in like nothing had happened. But she would leave the lighter and the cigarettes out there so everybody would know she had been out there. So I'm thinking I'm imagining Sarah snuck out outside so smoke wouldn't get inside where her daughter would be and had a cigarette. So there's a cigarette in the lighter on the front porch, but missing is that binder she kept on her ex husband including the docs regarding Cora. Now Cora's name change. Remember her name had been Dahlia Mann and now she changed it for the biodead. Why would that be missing?
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Michelle Tullis
That was the first thing I noticed when we went into my sister's home. It seems like the paper trail needed to be deleted of the history between the two.
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Nancy Grace
The search for missing mom Sarah Ebersole goes on. If you know or think you know anything about her disappearance, please dial 352-368-3542. We remember an American hero Police Officer Robert Schisler, Deptford Township PD New Jersey Shot and killed in the line of duty. Survived by parents Robert and Tracy, siblings Ashley and Tyler American hero Officer Robert Schisler Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend.
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