
Merry Christmas and happy holidays! This week Ross Douthat shares one of his favorite poems for the occasion, “The Journey of the Magi,” written by T.S. Eliot, to reflect on a year one might call “interesting.” See you next year!
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Merry Christmas and Happy Almost New Year 2025, at least in my experience, was a year when the future seemed more open, more uncertain, and maybe in some ways more frightening than at any point in recent memory. And so I thought I would read a poem for the season that spoke directly to the experience of transformation, anxiety in its shadow, and hopefully revelation as well. So this is the Journey of The Magi by T.S. eliot. A cold coming. We had of it just the worst time of the year for a journey, and such a long journey, the ways deep and the weather sharp, the very dead of winter and the camels galled, sore footed refractory lying down in the melting snow. There were times we regretted the summer palaces on slopes, the terraces and the silken girls bringing sherbet, then the camel men cursing and grumbling and running away and wanting their liquor and women and the night fires going out and the lack of shelters and the cities hostile and the towns unfriendly and the villages dirty and charging high prices. A hard time we had of it. At the end we preferred to travel all night, sleeping in snatches with the voices singing in our ears, saying that this was all foll valley. Then at dawn we came down to a temperate valley, wet below the snow line, smelling of vegetation, with a running stream and a water mill beating the darkness and three trees on the low sky, and an old white horse galloped away in the meadow. Then we came to a tavern with vine leaves over the lintel, six hands at an open door dicing for pieces of silver and feet kicking the empty wineskins. But there was no information and so we continued and arrived at evening not a moment too soon, finding the place. It was, you may say, satisfactory. All this was a long time ago, I remember, and I would do it again. But set down this, set down this. Were we led all that way for birth or death? There was a birth, certainly we had evidence, and no doubt I had seen birth and death, but had thought they were different. This birth was hard and bitter agony for us, like death, our death. We returned to our places, these kingdoms, but no longer at ease here in the old dispensation with an alien people clutching their gods. I should be glad of another death. So when I read this poem to my children as practice, they said, dad, that's kind of dark. And in a way it is. But I think an understanding of the darkness that's threaded in amid the joy and happiness and presents on Christmas morning is really crucial to understanding the true spirit of Christmas, that the reality of the darkness is the reason for the light. So Merry Christmas.
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Podcast: Interesting Times with Ross Douthat
Date: December 24, 2025
Host: Ross Douthat (New York Times Opinion)
In this special holiday episode, Ross Douthat reflects on the anxiety and uncertainty that defined 2025, offering a seasonal meditation through the reading of T.S. Eliot’s poem “The Journey of the Magi.” Douthat explores the interplay between darkness and light during times of transformation, drawing spiritual parallels between the poem and the deeper meaning of Christmas.
“...2025, at least in my experience, was a year when the future seemed more open, more uncertain, and maybe in some ways more frightening than at any point in recent memory.”
(00:16)
Douthat reads the poem aloud in its entirety, highlighting the arduous journey of the Magi—full of discomfort, regret, and questioning—before their arrival at the site of Christ’s birth.
The poem’s vivid descriptions capture the harshness of the journey:
“A cold coming we had of it, just the worst time of the year for a journey, and such a long journey, the ways deep and the weather sharp, the very dead of winter...”
(00:34)
Eliot’s lines prompt existential questions about change, faith, birth, and death:
“Were we led all that way for birth or death? There was a birth, certainly... but had thought they were different. This birth was hard and bitter agony for us, like death, our death.”
(03:30)
Douthat shares a personal anecdote, reiterating the importance of dark themes amid holiday celebration:
“So when I read this poem to my children as practice, they said, Dad, that's kind of dark. And in a way it is.”
(03:59)
He suggests that acknowledging darkness is essential to appreciating the true message of the holiday:
“But I think an understanding of the darkness that's threaded in amid the joy and happiness and presents on Christmas morning is really crucial to understanding the true spirit of Christmas—that the reality of the darkness is the reason for the light.”
(04:05)
On Uncertainty:
“...More open, more uncertain, and maybe in some ways more frightening than at any point in recent memory.”
—Ross Douthat (00:17)
On the Magi’s Struggle:
“There were times we regretted the summer palaces on slopes, the terraces and the silken girls bringing sherbet, then the camel men cursing and grumbling...”
—T.S. Eliot (read by Ross Douthat) (00:50)
On Transformation:
“Were we led all that way for birth or death? ... This birth was hard and bitter agony for us, like death, our death.”
—T.S. Eliot (03:30)
On the Spirit of Christmas:
“...The reality of the darkness is the reason for the light. So Merry Christmas.”
—Ross Douthat (04:13)
Ross Douthat’s episode, concise yet meditative, weaves together poetic tradition and contemporary anxiety. By reading “The Journey of the Magi” and offering a brief but pointed reflection, he sets a thoughtful tone for the season—one that looks honestly at fears and uncertainties while searching for meaning and hope. The episode serves as both a balm and a challenge: to recognize the darkness of our times, and to find in it the reason for seeking and cherishing the light.