
Hosted by Maureen Wiley Clough · EN

In this last episode of the year, I reflect on what I’ve learned in 1.5 years of podcasting about ageism in the workplace. Spoiler alert: it’s a big deal for all of us, whether you’re fresh out of school or deep into your career, so let’s roll!Did you know having a positive mindset about aging can add 7.5 years to your life? That’s more than quitting smoking or exercising! Mind-blowing, right? But thanks to the media and the beauty industry, stereotypes about aging make it harder for everyone to feel good about getting older.Surveys from Resume Now and AARP show that up to 90% of workers face age discrimination. And it’s not just older folks—“reverse ageism” hits younger workers too. Meanwhile, multigenerational workplaces aren’t just nice to have; they’re productivity powerhouses, boosting team performance by 20%.The financial hit? Brace yourself—ageism costs the U.S. economy $850 billion a year! On top of that, issues like menopause in the workplace are costing companies millions in lost productivity. But there’s reason to hope! Listeners have shared some inspiring success stories about landing jobs through their networks. Plus, collective action is making waves—like holding companies accountable for ageist practices (looking at you, Indeed). Change is happening, folks, and I’m here for it.So buckle up - this episode is going to change the way you think and get you geared up and revved up for what’s next!Join the Event with AARP on December 9, 2024:-Send an email to hello@itgetslateearly.com to reserve your seat.Sign up for One-on-One Coaching:-Send an email to hello@itgetslateearly.com or a message at https://www.itgetslateearly.com/collaborate. Maureen LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/Resources Mentioned in the Episode:-Generations Report by Protiviti and Dr. Daniel Jolles - https://www.protiviti.com/sites/default/files/2024-01/lse-generations-survey-report.pdf -EEOC Report On Diversity In The Tech Workforce - https://www.eeoc.gov/special-report/high-tech-low-inclusion-diversity-high-tech-workforce-and-sector-2014-2022 -Women in Leadership Face Ageism at Every Age - https://hbr.org/2023/06/women-in-leadership-face-ageism-at-every-age -McKinsey & Company’s Report On Women In The Workplace - https://www.flipsnack.com/78C9ACFF8D6/women-in-the-workplace-2024/full-view.html -Resume Now Survey on Ageism - https://www.resume-now.com/job-resources/careers/ageism-in-the-workplace -AARP Research On Age Discrimination - https://www.aarp.org/research/topics/economics/info-2022/workforce-trends-older-adults-age-discrimination.html -Almost Half Of Recruiters Think 57 Is Too Old For A Job - https://www.thetimes.com/business-money/entrepreneurs/article/almost-half-of-recruiters-think-57-is-too-old-for-a-job-gxpn6nsfj Previous Podcast Episodes Mentioned:-Daniel Jolles: https://www.itgetslateearly.com/podcast/episode/294a48ae/what-do-older-workers-bring-to-the-table-with-inclusion-researcher-daniel-jolles -Tamsen Fadal: https://www.itgetslateearly.com/podcast/episode/4802f24b/how-menopause-affects-productivity-at-work-corporate-americas-neglect-of-womens-health-and-the-billion-dollar-cost-to-businesses-with-tamsen-fadal -Bradley Schurman: https://www.itgetslateearly.com/podcast/episode/24dc20c7/the-super-age-how-demographic-change-impacts-us-all-with-author-bradley-schurman -Emilia D'Anzica: https://www.itgetslateearly.com/podcast/episode/3a7eb073/fired-for-being-42-the-insane-age-discrimination-case-no-lawyer-would-take-and-picking-up-the-pieces-with-over-40-founder-emilia-danzica -Keith Sonderling: https://www.itgetslateearly.com/podcast/episode/381130db/how-youre-getting-discriminated-against-at-work-part-2-with-eeoc-commissioner-keith-sonderling -Lori Prutsman: https://www.itgetslateearly.com/podcast/episode/20160be5/over-40-in-tech-an-ex-amazon-recruiter-tells-you-what-to-expect-with-lori-prutsmanIn This Episode:-Lesson 1: Ageism is real-Lesson 2: Ageism affects everyone-Lesson 3: How your view on aging impacts longevity-Lesson 4: Ageism costs companies billions-Lesson 5: Women’s health in the workplace is ignored-Lesson 6: Demographic changes demand immediate action-Lesson 7: Age discrimination laws aren’t enough to protect workers-Lesson 8: Why education about ageism is crucial-Lesson 9: Age bias in layoffs and hiring practices-Lesson 10: Hope and the power of networks-Community efforts and success stories-Upcoming events and opportunitiesAnd much more!Connect with Maureen Clough:-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Ever feel like you're trying to navigate a corporate obstacle course while juggling flaming torches and keeping your cool? Like you're supposed to be "authentic" but also "professional," vulnerable but not too vulnerable? Well, today we're diving into the workplace circus with Hanan Harb Sahourieh, the brilliant mind behind Everybody Be Cool - a book that's basically your survival guide to the modern workplace.Here's what's fascinating about Hanan: after getting laid off (yeah, we've all been there or feared being there), instead of diving into the usual "how to climb the corporate ladder" stuff, she wrote the book she wished she'd had - one for the regular folks trying to figure out how to show up as themselves. And this isn't your typical "lean in" narrative. This is real talk about what happens when five generations of workers try to coexist without driving each other crazy.We get into some juicy territory, like what Hanan calls "spiritual business moments" (trust me, it's not what you think), and why being vulnerable at work isn't always the magic solution Brené Brown might have led us to believe. Speaking of which, wait until you hear Hanan's take on psychological safety - spoiler alert: your role might have more to do with it than your personality.So, if you're tired of workplace advice that feels like it was written by AI (no offense to our robot friends), and you're ready for some real talk about power, authenticity, and staying human in the corporate jungle, this episode is for you. Don't worry, we'll throw in some cringe-worthy corporate culture stories too - because sometimes you just need to know you're not alone in this wild ride we call work life.“We have power and control over how we show up, how we interact with our neighbors, our community, our family, and the people we work with. That's where we have the power to be who we want to be and be the change that we want to see.” ~ Hanan Harb Sahourieh In This Episode:-Why personal power matters in the workplace-How to build a personal brand and its benefits-The inspiration behind Hanan’s book Everybody Be Cool-How to navigate generational differences in the workplace-Why power skills are essential in today’s workplace-Challenges of being vulnerable in the workplace-How independent publishing empowers creators-The value of a coaching culture in the workplace-How to build resilience and adaptability in the rising gig economyAnd much more!Resource Mentioned in the Episode:-Hanan’s book, Everybody Be Cool: https://a.co/d/h7SzNjE Connect with Hanan Harb Sahourieh:-Website: https://www.everybody-be-cool.com/ -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hananharbConnect with Maureen Clough:-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Imagine hitting all your KPIs at work, only to be told you're out—because they want someone younger. Well, that’s exactly what happened to today’s guest, the incredible Emilia D’Anzica. And trust me, her comeback story is one for the books!Emilia is the founder of Growth Molecules, an author, and an all-around powerhouse. She takes us through her nuts experience of being pushed out of a tech company despite knocking it out of the park for 13 quarters straight. Emilia shares how she handled the blow (hint: with grace and a lot of courage), why fighting ageism in court is nearly impossible, and the advice she received from top lawyers. But this isn’t a downer episode! Emilia didn’t just take the hit – she flipped the script and used her MBA to launch her own successful consulting firm. We also talk about the rampant ageism in tech, the gender and racial pay gap, and how recruiters are still weirdly biased about hiring older talent (hello, 57 is not “too old” to hire!) If you’re over 40 and feeling it in your job search or career, Emilia’s story will inspire you to keep pushing forward. She’s living proof that there’s life – and success – after even the most unfair corporate rejection. So, don’t miss this conversation packed with insights and a story that will leave you both inspired and enraged.“If you're a recruiter, you should have the courage to look past how that person looks. We shouldn't have to pay an 'age tax' to get a job.” - Emilia D’AnzicaIn This Episode:-Emilia’s shocking story of being replaced by a younger colleague despite consistent success-Why age discrimination is so hard to prove in court (and the advice Emilia got)-How Emilia turned a tough experience into a thriving business-Recruiter bias against older workers and why we need to fix it-McKinsey research insights on gender pay gaps -A peek into Emilia’s book Pressing On as a Tech Mom And much more!Resources Mentioned in the Episode:-Emilia D’Anzica’s book, Pressing On as a Tech Mom: https://www.amazon.com/Pressing-Tech-Mom-Industry-Boundaries/dp/1956955194 -Women in the Workplace 2024: The 10th-anniversary report: https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/diversity-and-inclusion/women-in-the-workplace Connect with Emilia D’Anzica:-Website: https://growthmolecules.com/ -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emiliadanzica -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emiliadanzica/Connect with Maureen Clough:-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

Did you know that menopause affects over half the population and costs companies billions in lost productivity each year? And yet, it's still one of the most overlooked issues in the workplace. Well, today’s episode focuses on the impact of menopause on the workforce.I share my experience with a tech company's absurd mishandling of women’s health, where a session titled "Navigating the Uniqueness of the Female Body" (and no, I'm not kidding!) was beyond offensive. I’ll share some shocking statistics on menopause and its symptoms, which can last up to - get this - 20 years! Additionally, my guest, Tamsen Fadal, a former journalist turned menopause advocate, recounts a personal story about collapsing in the newsroom due to her symptoms, which led her to focus on raising awareness about menopause. Tamsen is about to launch a documentary called The M Factor: Shredding the Silence on Menopause, and continually advocates for better workplace education and support for women experiencing menopause. Tamsen stresses the need for companies to address menopause and highlights organizations that are making progress in this area. She emphasizes that better education and treatment can improve both employee well-being and workplace productivity. Whether you're experiencing menopause, know someone who is, or just want to create a more supportive work environment, this conversation is for you. Tune in to learn how you can be part of the change.“As long as we know what to expect, and you’re not surprised or sideswiped by something, it just makes it a little bit easier—even if the symptoms are not.” -Tamsen FadalIn This Episode:-The definition of perimenopause, menopause, and its symptoms-The impact of menopause symptoms on women and workplaces-Menopause-related productivity losses and healthcare costs-How companies benefit from addressing menopause-Education and support for women experiencing menopause-Why raising menopause awareness is crucial -How women should handle aging in the workplaceAnd much more!Resource Used in the Episode:-Economic Impact of Menopause: Individual and Collective Costs: https://www.aarp.org/pri/topics/work-finances-retirement/employers-workforce/menopause-workplace/ Connect with Tamsen Fadal:-Website: https://www.tamsenfadal.com/-LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tamsenfadal/ -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tamsenfadal/Connect with Maureen Clough:-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/

The fantastic Jen Saarbach and Kristen Kelly from “The Wall Street Skinny” podcast join me today for a candid and super fun crossover episode on the challenges women face breaking into and growing their careers in the male-dominated industries of Tech and Finance.Jen and Kristen tell us how they started “The Wall Street Skinny” to democratize access to the world of high finance via their incredible podcast and lighthearted but value-packed social media posts. Turns out there’s more to the industry than we see in the movie The Wolf of Wall Street with Leo DiCaprio and Margot Robbie! Who knew?!We all shared some of our career horror stories, including Jen’s (which she turned into a hilarious viral video) about how being a few minutes late to an interview can completely derail your shot at a big job. They also share that Wall Street is actually accessible to…English majors?! But it's not just the hurdles of getting your foot in the door. Once you're in, we all face ageism (either levied against the young or the old, depending on the industry - we’ll reveal what we mean here!) and sexism through microaggressions, lack of mentorship opportunities, and assumptions. We dive into these realities and highlight the importance of age diversity in both industries.We also discuss AI’s double-edged sword—its potential to both automate away jobs and also revolutionize fields like gene editing. So whether you're well-established in your career or just getting started, our chat has you covered. Did I mention we had a lot of fun? Join us for our wide-ranging but impactful conversation."We have structured society so differently than it was historically so that you aren't hitting the same milestones. You aren't necessarily graduating from college at 22, going to business school at 25, getting married at 30, having kids by 35, retiring at 65. Those milestones have all shifted and are no longer fixed points." - Jen SaarbachIn This Episode:-Challenges and opportunities for women in finance-Ageism in the tech industry-Women representation and role models in finance and tech-The challenges of starting a career in the finance industry-The apprenticeship model in finance and its impact on career paths-Challenges of entering finance later in life-The importance of age diversity in finance and tech-The role of venture capitalists in guiding founders-The impact of AI on career pathsAnd much more!Learn Finance From The Wall Street Skinny:-Website: https://www.thewallstreetskinny.com/-Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-wall-street-skinny/id1680425507 -Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thewallstreetskinny/ -TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@thewallstreetskinny Connect with Jen Saarbach:-Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jennifersaarbach/ -LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jennifer-saarbach-realtor Connect with Kristen Kelly:-LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/kristen-kelly-71bb7814Connect with Maureen Clough:-Instagram: @itgetslateearly - https://www.instagram.com/itgetslateearly/-YouTube: @itgetslateearly - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGrHwk-y7ERaq7bCSjZYf1A?sub_confirmation=1-Website: itgetslateearly.com - https://www.itgetslateearly.com/-LinkedIn: @maureenwclough - https://www.linkedin.com/in/maureenwclough/-Facebook: It Gets Late Early - https://www.facebook.com/people/It-gets-late-early/100088694515585/