A (3:24)

Fast forward 20 minutes later, and we're in an Uber and he is in the throes with Chat GPT about his body fat. So he goes from celebrating to doing dramatic readings to me about what Chat GPT is saying about his body fat. Saying if you are someone. This was a direct quote because I'll never forget it. I remember exactly. We were on Park Avenue, and I was looking out the window, and he says, oh, my God, listen to what Chat GBT says, Jennifer, if you or someone you love is suffering from 4% body fat, you should seek out. And then it lists a whole new group of professionals that Josh can go to, like a nutritionist, all of these things. And it also ties in the body fat to the tension headaches. And it's like, I don't know when we're going to be able to bury the hypochondria.

B (4:18)

I went through three or four layers of the body fat being directly related to my tension headaches. And that's part of My grievance with ChatGPT is that I spend three or four hours diagnosing myself with these illnesses that then open other doors. And it's like this ongoing loop of insanity. Um, I.4% body fat is too low for me. So at one point I thought it was good, but then I realized that it was the cause or source of all these other things.

A (4:51)

And wait, these other things don't exist? That's what's so important, listener. The cause of all of these other things. Have. All these other things have been eliminated. And not just by a doctor, like, looking at him and listening to him. I'm talking about, like, cat scans, MRIs, dye injections, contrasting.

A (5:16)

X ray type things that Provide contrast. I mean, we have, we have been given a clean bill of health. And then you get in this sycophantic relationship with Chat GPT where obviously this is what I thought and I didn't want to dive into it in the car, but if Chad, GPT is saying, if you were somebody you love is suffering from and you think that that would be like heroin addiction would be the next thing.

B (5:43)

Right?

A (5:43)

But that it said 4% body fat. I know that you fed that thing a bunch of fear mongering questions. That then it provided this, that although you were suffering from some grave disease. And for the record, you guys, I think the body fat thing that we did, it didn't like pinch your fat. It was like you just stand on this scale thing. I think it's a racket. I don't think you have 4% body fat.

B (6:04)

Let me just say the last neurologist I saw.

B (6:08)

And it's been within 30 days, by the way. So I take my MRI and CT scan and all this stuff and give to her and we spend about 15 or 20 minutes talking about my condition. And ultimately she looks at me and she says, there's nothing else I can talk to you about with this. There's nothing I can do. And I just looked at her and I was like. She said, that's it. You're okay, you're fine.

A (6:32)

I mean, it's over.

B (6:33)

I could prescribe some sort of SSRI maybe for you, but you don't need it, so there's nothing else to do. And so then I think I called you and I said, said, look, I think this is about over. I've had the neurologist say there's nothing. There's no other rabbit hole to go down. I've exhausted all of it. And then chat GPT.

A (6:51)

Chat GPT.

C (6:52)

4%.

A (6:53)

Yeah, it's just a nightmare. All right. Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer. Josh is subbing for Pumps. Kylie.

D (6:58)

Yes, hello. I have something for you guys. I want to do a little different than reviews.

A (7:05)

Okay?

D (7:06)

We're going to go over a tweet together that as of the time of recording has almost 2 million views on Twitter. Okay, Braden. Hashtag Team RizzGod tweets. I found the perfect nominee for 2028. One, an outsider. Two. Not super old.

B (7:24)

Love that.

D (7:24)

And listener. This is A photo of Jennifer. 3. Loved by progressives. Loved by Facebook. Wine moms. Southern hates Republicans even more than Newsom Dark woke and can mog JD Vance. And then I've got two Responses here from some commenters. Also add, she could redecorate the White House from its current tacky mess. Despises those bankrolled by aipac. And then someone said, they got their reality TV star. We've got ours.

C (7:53)

Wow.

A (7:55)

So when was this on Twitter? I haven't seen this.

D (7:58)

It was a couple days ago from filming this.

A (8:02)

Really?

A (8:04)

Here's the deal, listener. I would rather earn my money on my back than be a politician. I would just rather say, what do you want? Doggy me on top, you on top. 500 bucks a pop. 100. You know, whatever it is.

A (8:18)

I love that. I mean, that's great. I do think you would make a great first lady, Josh.

B (8:23)

I do, too. I'm still trying to process the on your back or doggy, 500 bucks a pop. But now that I've whipped past that, I would love to be a first la. I would love to be a representative for all. I think it's a good idea. Was there a ticket associated with that? Is Jennifer on the bottom of that ticket? Top of that ticket.

D (8:45)

I've seen some different versions with Jennifer at the top. And then I've seen quite a few of, like, Newsom, Jennifer.

B (8:50)

There you have it. Although I don't know that I could stomach letting her be with Governor Newsom, so.

A (8:56)

He's cute.

B (8:57)

I know.

A (8:57)

Yeah, he's pretty cute. He's pretty cute.

A (9:02)

That's wild. What does MOG mean?

D (9:05)

I think it means you can, like, eat them up.

A (9:08)

Oh, okay. You know, okay, Mog. I hadn't heard that before. I love that.

D (9:13)

It.

A (9:13)

What was it? Not super old.

D (9:14)

Not super old.

B (9:17)

Just kind of.

D (9:18)

Yeah, just kind of old.

B (9:19)

Yeah. Just getting up there. Not there yet.

A (9:22)

That. I mean, you know, if you ever have a moment, like, sometimes, like, I went and played tennis yesterday and I thought, God, man, I feel like I'm 27. I felt like when I left the tennis court yesterday. Cause I ran down every ball, I didn't let one ball go. And I thought, I'm as fit as a fiddle.

B (9:38)

That's right.

A (9:39)

I feel like I'm 27 years old. And I wanted to say thank you to the poster of that. That put me right back square in reality. You're just not super old. You're old. You're just not super old.

B (9:51)

You're perfect. Perfect for the ticket.

A (9:53)

That's so nice. That is so nice. I think that I am better positioned holding politicians accountable than being in the White House. Although I would really like the plane perks because traveling has become insufferable because that goddamn Kristi Noem, she is the biggest grandstander, showboater I've ever seen in my life. She has, in TSA lines everywhere, a video of her. I said, christy Noem, I shot my puppy and my goat.

B (10:24)

I don't want you to turn into a cache, though, if you got to be vice president or president, where you're just taking these, you know, unnecessary trips to Vegas and back and forth. We can't let you abuse the air.

A (10:38)

Yeah, yeah. All right, Kylie, what else?

D (10:41)

Okay, we've got some news stories today. The first one is from Salon, and it says, don't blame women for men's loneliness. Blame capitalism. There's a lot of money to be made off angry, isolated men. And it goes on to say the real story is the booming industry built on male isolation, where influencers, cryptogrifters, pickup artists, and gambling apps have realized loneliness is an incredible profit opportunity. And OpenAI is moving in the same direction, pushing ChatGPT toward features that let the software act like a user's romantic interest, despite warnings that this could send users down mental health spirals and pull men even further out of the real world. It's an economy that thrives when men stay lonely.

A (11:27)

Okay, that's interesting, because I do feel like there's this, you know, emergence of the male loneliness epidemic, and it seems to be being prioritized over everything else. And.

A (11:41)

I do think that capitalism is to blame for a lot of this. And furthermore, in that, you know, that men are using CHAT GPD to be romantic partners, but you're really using CHAT GPT to be a physician. And I think it's equally as dangerous, if not more so.

B (11:59)

Well, just becoming somewhat dependent on it. But I think the core of that article, I've seen several bits of. Of things like that that talk about sort of the strength of a woman and how a man is somewhat reliant upon a woman and his relationships. You let. You let a guy sort of veer off on his own and get out into the world free and clear of any guidance from a woman. And it's kind of a dangerous thing.

B (12:28)

You know, men are. We're a lot needier than women. We're less independent. We're somewhat dependent on women. And you don't see that until the man gets somewhat exposed. And there's this idea that men have to be strong and have to be the earner of the. Of the family and do all these things. And. And that belief system is somewhat archaic in today's society. It's not. It's not like that. And I think some men struggle with that. You're not. That you're not at the top for the family, that you're maybe your spouse is more successful than you are. That's a reality for a lot of men.

A (13:06)

And research has shown that, like, marriage is disproportionately beneficial to a man than it is for a woman. A man's quality of life and stressors go down in a marriage. A woman's quality of life and quality of life goes down and stressors go up in a marriage. And I love you, darlin, but that has surely been the case in ours, I'm sure. I think that you've benefited more from the marriage than I have historically. And that doesn't mean I don't love you dearly.

B (13:37)

Right.

A (13:37)

But wouldn't you say it's a lopside.

B (13:40)

I would think so. When you factor addiction and some other things rehabs. Rehabs into the equation. I would. I would dare to say. But I think in most marriages, like, if you think of what women put up with over a period of time, 20, 30, 40 years.

B (13:58)

A man couldn't put up with half of what women have to put up with over the course of a marriage with their responsibilities, which have historically been to sort of clean the house, cook all these things. And now that's shifted, thank goodness, to where that's sort of outdated. But. But women. I don't think anybody would disagree. Women are sort of the backbone of any. Any sort of good man that you see out there that that has sort of risen above any sort of adversity. It's because he's had the benefit of a good, strong woman. Myself would be no exception.

A (14:30)

That's so sweet.

B (14:31)

There we have it.

A (14:31)

All right, Kylie, what's next?

D (14:33)

Okay, this one is. Scientists once taught monkeys how to use money, and they ended up buying prostitutes. What it says. In a groundbreaking behavioral economics experiment, researchers at Yale University taught a group of capuchin monkeys how to use money to buy food. What began as a test of decision making quickly spiraled into chaos when the monkeys started stealing coins, gambling, and even trading money for sex.

A (15:02)

You know, it just. It all goes down to, like, sex, drugs and rock and roll. I remember I had a humanities professor once in college and he said, you know, all of these archaeologists and human humanities people, they go. Anthropologists and they go uncover all this stuff in ancient Egypt or, you know, old ruins in Europe, and they think they're going to find some. My.

A (15:29)

Fountain of youth. That unlocks the purpose and it's all sex, drugs and rock and roll. Our species and we share 99% DNA with monkeys, much to evangel evangelical Christian Christians chagrin. And so it makes sense that it's all boils down to the sex, drugs and rock and roll thing. Tell, tell the listener when you went to rehab. I mean, AA meeting and what that guy said when he came in.

B (15:55)

So this would have been.

B (15:58)

2002. Let me sort of think about that quote.

B (16:03)

Well, there are two things that were said when I, when I went to rehab. Number number one, the guy said, I've got really good news for you, Josh. Number number one, it's you're not stupid, you're not crazy. But the bad news is, is that you have to quit acting like you're stupid and you're crazy. That was number one. I don't know if that's what you're referencing or not. Number two, I went to one of my very first AA meetings and this guy had a 30 day chip and he looked like he had just been fighting his entire life to stay sober for that period of time. And he stands up and he looks out amongst the crowd and he's barely there and he says, you know, it's not all champagne and pussy, but I did it. And it's like, boom. Couldn't be said any better. It's not all champagne and pussy. Life is not all champagne and pussy. But he had his 30 days that he strung together sober. And I thought, man, you can't say it any better than that.

A (16:58)

That's great. All right, Kylie, anything else?

D (17:02)

That's it.

A (17:02)

We've got our guest ready. Okay, now it's time for our guest. And this guest is actually a friend of mine and Josh's. We went to the US Open together and I feel like this is just a budding bromance between Josh and Kyle. So today's guest is the host of the Kyle Kalansky show on the Secular Talk YouTube channel. He is a fierce magus lay. He doesn't give a fuck. I love this guy. Welcomed. I've had it. Kyle Kalansky.

A (17:33)

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A (20:19)

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C (21:00)

How you guys doing?

A (21:01)

We're doing great, Kyle. It's kind of been a little bit more fun being progressive the last month or so. Like, I kind of feel like we're all getting our swag back a little bit. And you and I have something in common that we both just love to relentlessly and mercilessly mock these not even beta male, zeta male, whining titty baby maga men that shit the bed every single time somebody says something true about them.

C (21:34)

Yeah, well, that's what I love about you, is that you have a way of always getting under their skin, no matter how true. The thing you say is they just, they can't help themselves. It's like a fly to a. To a bug light. And so, yeah, I take some inspiration from that myself, with all the memes that I post.

A (21:51)

Don't you think that with me, they feel a sense of betrayal because I look like I should be one of them, I sound like I should be one of them. And so it really, like, it really hurts when they hear a woman with a Southern accent, a certain socioeconomic bracket, and they think, wait a minute, we've lost her. And so they just really like Fox News in particular. They are just, they. They start their news stories, the Five, they're called. They start off with this podcast is so irrelevant, and we're the top story of their episode.

C (22:23)

Well, they're going to keep saying stuff like that until you literally become president, which I don't know if you're aware of this, but this is something I've advocated for privately with Crystal, but also I have no problem saying it publicly whatsoever. I think the country is ready for a Jennifer Welch presidency because you're the only person that brings the heat. Like, they bring the heat. Like, you look at Trump and he's just totally unhinged in a negative way for him. And he just says wild stuff and just kind of gets away with it. But he can control the media narrative. You're like one of the only people that does that on our side side where you can, like, set a whole discussion in order. And it's really an amazing thing to see. And, you know, the funny thing is they would hear me say that and go, oh, we would love to have an opponent like that. We would destroy Jennifer Welch. And it's like, no, you wouldn't, because you idiots said the same thing about Zoron. You thought like, oh, Zoron, we would. Look, we're going to destroy that guy. Cuomo will beat that guy. And it's like, actually, he dusted you because you have no idea what really sells and what doesn't. And, like, that's what the country needs right now, is like, hardcore lefties who are gonna really go to the mat.

A (23:23)

Fuck you, lefties.

C (23:25)

Yeah, exactly.

A (23:26)

Yes.

C (23:26)

That's the vibe, for sure.

A (23:28)

Josh talks about this a lot, how he just gets so mad when Democrats play integrity politics.

B (23:35)

And I think that's been my biggest pet peeve. I don't delve into the political circles as much as you and Jennifer do, but when I do, it's like, why can't we stand for something? Why can't we recognize that we're playing in a different set of rules against a different opponent and improvise and quit placating, quit being nice. Like, I remember seeing someone was going to get a censorship or co author a letter and send something to so and so after they had just decapitated us. And I'm thinking, what good is the letter going to be? What good is the censorship going to be? It's like we're not playing the same game.

C (24:07)

Yeah, the. The obsession with decorum and civility. Politics used to be the entire Democratic brand. The, you know, when they go low, we go high. And then what we learned is we're dealing with absolute psychopaths. And that doesn't work if one side is cheating and we're not cheating. Well, then what we're doing is laying in a chalk outline of ourselves on the ground and saying, okay, I guess you guys take it. But now we need to see a little bit of the opposite mentality, which Newsom has showed us a little bit where he said, like, okay, if you guys gerrymander in Texas, we're going to count to counter gerrymander in California. And like, they look at that and they go, oh, my God, how dare you? They literally are suing him to say, you can't gerrymander, but we can gerrymander, which is like, no. So if you guys are going to cheat, we're going to cheat back. Because that, ironically makes it more even. So I hope you're ready, because you guys created this whole new movement on the left of, like you said, Jennifer, fuck you, lefties is the best way to do it.

B (24:55)

How do we get our politicians to. How do we get that to resonate with some of our leaders to play that brand of politics now? Like, how do we do that?

C (25:04)

I mean, it's a great question. I wish I had a better answer than this, but I just think they have to be forced into it by seeing the meteoric rise of, like, Jennifer Welch. They look at that and they go, oh, wait a second. This is what's selling. This is what people love. Look at all the legions of supporters that she has and all the people who watch her podcast, and they hang on every word she says. And so they kind of have to be bullied into it in a way. And I think, honestly, I think we're getting a little closer. We're getting a little closer to having some people who are in there that are you lefties. But, you know, I want to see more of it. I'm reminded of the video they just put out where they said, trump, what was it Trump was talking about? Oh, shit, I'm blanking on it. It was. He went after Mark Kelly. He went after Alyssa Slotkin because they said, oh, you're doing these illegal orders. So if you're in the military, you can stand down from the illegal order. You don't have to follow an illegal order. And then Trump fired back and said, it's traitorous and you need to be put to death. And then I saw Alyssa Slotkin's response, and she said, I'm not kidding about this. She was like, well, I'm not accusing any particular thing of being illegal. And it's like, no, don't do that, because there are, like, 78 things that are illegal. And if you're going to represent us, you need to be able to list a bunch of those things to be fair. Representative Jason Crow, he actually did list some of those things to his credit, to say, no, I'm right. And here are the things that Trump did that were illegal, but that sort of like going to the edge and then backing away from it that I saw Slotkin do that really annoyed me, because you put us in a worse position than if you said nothing at all.

A (26:29)

Well, Alyssa Slotkin voted for Kristi Noem. And so there is a. In order for where. Where I feel we're positioned right now is we have Hakeem, who drives us all crazy, but he's who we have. We have Alyssa Slotkin. And so my thing is, we can't be super picky. Like, if Alyssa Slotkin will say, I up, I shouldn't have voted for Lil Marco. I shouldn't have voted for Kristi Noem. That was stupid. I was trying to play bipartisanship, and I made a huge mistake. I'm not going to take APAC money anymore. I'm going to totally charge at these people. I'm going to Take an.

A (27:08)

Populist message, and that includes everybody, even transgender people. And if you don't like it, tough titties. Go be a racist over with maga. And I wish that the people we have would start moving that way. Like, we'll be forgiving if you just own your shit. Just own it. You're the politician we have. And. But the Alyssa Slotkins, where they show a little bit of a fight and then they placate to MAGA talking points drives me crazy. That's as big of a red flag for me as taking APAC money is placating Demaga talking points.

C (27:40)

Yeah. And I mean, I'm curious to ask you, do you think she's gonna do that? Like, do you think she has that in her to be like, you know what, maybe I should have had a list of six things that Trump did that was illegal and not back down? Or do you think it's sort of in her political DNA that she's a centrist? She's that cloth in the same way that Hakeem Jeffries can't fight his way out of a paper bag. Alyssa Slotkin, it's the same.

A (28:02)

I think that I don't even think these people are centrists. I think they're pick me Democrats. They are what governs. Their who decision making process is will people like me, will I upset anyone? And in that process, if you try to get everybody to like you, nobody likes you and thinks you're worthless because you don't stand in anything there. You know, the reason people like me right now is because I stand for something and I fight for it. There's just as many people that hate me too. But at least you know where I stand in these pick me Democrats, where they just go right down the center. There's no principle or conviction there. They're not understanding this moment. They're just trying to be popular, which is no different than what Trump is doing, leading with his fragile ego, trying to get everybody to like him. He's just not polite about it and he's a prick about it. But centrist Democrats are just doing all of this stuff in a very polite manner, and it leaves the same dissatisfaction that MAGA politics do.

C (29:02)

Yeah, to your point, I actually revel in the fact that a bunch of people hate me now. I like that. Me and Crystal were high fiving when the New York Post wrote up that article coming after me for sharing that spicy Erica Kirk meme team. And we were enjoying it. Because you know what? I think you rally more people to your side when you have, when you become the enemy of the day among the absolute dead eyed psychopaths. And maybe in the past I would have felt like, no, I can reach out to them, I can appeal to them, I can get through to them. I just need the right argument at the right time. But now I feel like I've matured a little bit to the point where I understand that there's some percentage that are just, I call them TFGs too far gones that you're just, you're just not going to get through to them. And so yeah, go ahead, attack me if anything. That only makes us stronger when you do that. So in a sense, it's kind of what worked for Trump if you think about it.

A (29:48)

Totally.

C (29:49)

He would say things that would just rile up the left and liberals and we would call it out and then all of a sudden he would get more people that rallied to his side on the right and it was like this weird dynamic with attention where he knew how to direct the attention economy to ride his way into power. And now I think we're getting our swagger and we're doing the same thing.

B (30:07)

But what he would do too is when he was called out on it, he would double down on it. He wouldn't shy away from, from it like, like some of the Democrats do, where they go about 80% of the way and then they get called out and then they kind of stop and pause and back up. He doubles, triples down on his position with full conviction.

A (30:26)

He actually, do you remember in his deposition for I think it's the E. Jean Carroll case, they ask him, the attorney says, you even said you could grab him by the pussy and when you're a star, they'll let you do it. And he's under oath and he can goes well historically that's true with stars. And this is like in a, in a deposition And Josh is 100% right. He just like he triple and quadruples down. But it's the opposite of pick me politics. And I think that when you see Hakeem Jeffries chuckles even Cory Booker, a lot of these centrist Dems, they, you just think this doesn't believe in anything. They just are so thirsty for people to like them and their milk toast politics bizarrely comes off as this, the most boring form of thirst trapping that I've ever seen. Okay, Kyle, before we get too far into brow beating everybody that we need to browbeat, I need to ask you what you've had it with. What have you had it with.

C (31:26)

So for me, the big one that's been pestering me for a long time is I've had it with people saying Trump is anti war. I was losing my mind before the election when he would say it on the campaign trail and they would post those memes that say Trump is the pro peace candidate. And I'm losing it now because you just look at what he's doing. He bombs fishing boats off the coast of Venezuela on like a daily basis. Some of those boats are from Trinidad and Tobago and Colombia. They're plotting regime change in Venezuela as we speak. He illegally bombed and Somalia and Iran. He's already threatened Greenland and Panama and Canada and Mexico. He said he wants to re invade Afghanistan the other month. And this is all just stuff from the second term. Don't get me started on the first term where he increased drone strikes over 400 and illegally assassinated Qasem Soleimani, an Iranian commander who was fighting ISIS in the field. So like, and then he says the. I stopped eight wars and sometimes he upset. He'll go anywhere from like six to nine wars that he stops on a daily basis. And I'm not kidding when I say one day I was like, I know this is, let me like look into this.

A (32:26)

This.

C (32:27)

The actual answer is zero. He stopped zero wars and just shamelessly lies. So that's what gets, that's what sticks in my crawl.

A (32:34)

Oh my gosh. I agree. And I just think also I heard Ro Khanna say the other day, and I thought this was such great messaging. He said the Democratic Party first and foremost needs to be clear eyed and discuss that Joe Biden gave Benjamin Netanyahu a blank check. And it was so refreshing to hear it phrased that way. And Trump continues to give out of all the other things you mentioned, continues to give Benjamin Netanyahu a blank check. He has Jared Kushner and Steve Witkoff. Dumb and dumber, I think not as dumb as Eric and Don. I mean those are for sure the dumb and dumber, but like Dumb and Dumber Jr. They are doing all of this colluding with Vladimir Putin and with Benjamin Netanyahu and these people. Like Jared Kushner doesn't have a security clearance. He said he wasn't have anything to do with this. And all of their actions are with very provocative, unethical, fascist governments. I mean, Benjamin Netanyahu is a total nationalist fascist. Vladimir Putin is a murderous, psychopathic dictator. And it's like they just. He wants this Nobel Peace Prize so bad, Trump, because Obama got it and it's just amazing that he's found so many dipshits that just sit around and tell him, yeah, Betty, you should have gotten the prize. Nice. Yeah, you've solved eight, nine wars.

C (33:56)

And by the way, these people are personally profiting off of these fake peace agreements that they're making. So Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, they're making millions of dollars with crypto. Jared Kushner got $2 billion from the government of Saudi Arabia. And by the way, Jamal Khashoggi was reporting on Jared Kushner giving MBS classified material when he was murdered. And so there's a lot of nasty, nasty stuff going on where they are personally insanely corrupt.

B (34:23)

This is where Trump says that thing. Those things happen in the interview about the murder.

C (34:27)

That's right. Apparently there's a phone call, too, by the way, that's gonna. That's supposed to come out soon of Trump in the wake of Khashoggi being murdered, where, you know, there's some damning phone call that comes out where he says, lord only knows what. Because Jared Kushner may have been involved in this. Trump may have been involved in this because they're trying to protect mbs, too, because they have business dealings with him.

B (34:45)

Now, it seemed like one of the things with Trump. How do you sort of combat someone who lies so much? Like, there's so many lies, so much disinform that's put out every single day. You've just mentioned a few of the different news cycles of events. Like, you could literally just go down a rabbit hole trying to combat these things over and over and over. I don't think that. I know that. We saw Ty Cobb gave an interview the other day where he said, our Constitution is not equipped for a person to defend against, like, someone like President Trump. How do you respond to that? How do we. How do we respond to that?

C (35:19)

So I think it's honestly shameless, ruthless, endless mockery at this point. There's, like, no other way to handle it. When you're this far through the looking glass and when it's this absurd on a daily basis where every day you're dealing with, like, 12 impeachable new things that he does. Like, what is there to do but, like, pointed it, laugh, mock them. You know, I. I see no other way around it, because certainly, you know, the tutting and finger wagging and we're holier than thou approach, that didn't work. You got to get in the mud with them and you got to expose them for what they are, and I.

A (35:49)

Think here's something and I want to run this by you all. I think we need to start a complete hit job on Fox News via memes and social media clips that brand people that watch Fox News as, you know, dipshit morons, like really go at them. I'm talking basket of deplorable low IQ rubes. And I think we could do a coordinated effort to just really. Because this, this is the mothership of a lot of. Because Fox News viewers typically are voters. A lot of the people that listen to like, you know, some of these hardcore, like Alex Jones podcast, these people are not regular voters. These people came out to vote for Trump, but these people are, you know, like rapture preppers and, you know, they've got a lot of other activities out in the woods that they've got going on. Another thing that I think we need to message and I don't know why Democrats don't do this, is the failures of Republican super majorities in red states like Oklahoma, where Josh and I are sitting right now. We are ranked like 43rd, 46th out of all 50 states. Our governor is in the middle of his second term. Prior to him was this dipshit named Mary Fallon who had Republican majorities. And each time we have, each year we go down and down and down. And I just, I don't know why we are not. Gavin Newsome is doing it to an extent, but this should be a massive effort with Democrats reissuing a 50 state strategy and starting to really go in and changing the culture in red states. Because the culture in red states right now is if you're a Democrat, you're a demon. And they literally believe in like spiritual warfare and all this shit. And the Democrats have got to go back into these red states to.

A (37:37)

Dull a lot of this propaganda that you have been lied to since Ronald Reagan. And they used your faith to scare you and to weaponize against you. And it's just, it might, we might lose three or four election cycles, but I think it has to happen. I mean, there's just, there's no Democratic infrastructure in a state like Oklahoma. None. They've just abandoned it and people have gotten worse. And then I think it makes the Democratic Party look like we lose credibility. We only care about states where we can win a majority. When you have to have a 50 state strategy.

B (38:09)

And all 77. I'm sorry, Kyle, to interrupt you. All 77 counties here in Oklahoma went for Donald Trump. They're all Republican. So if, if anyone here, if you look around and you don't like your circumstances, you don't like the economy, you don't like your life. The Democrats have done a horrible job of messaging. Then who do you blame for that? It's all of the elected Republicans in your hometown, on your city council, at the state level, they're all Republicans. How in the world do Democrats have anything to do with your demise or your situation?

B (38:43)

That's what we live with.

C (38:45)

So Bernie floated the idea of running in red states as an independent, that it's. The Democratic brand is so tarnished in deep red states that you may as well run as an independent and basically caucus with the Democrats and basically run on an unapologetically populist economic message. And honestly, that I think is a winning strategy. I think we got super close with that guy, Dan Osborne. He did that to an extent. The success of Platner in Maine, I think is another good example of a similar thing, although he is running as a Democrat, to be fair. But to your point, it should be easy to defeat these people because they are objectively harming people's lives on a daily basis.

B (39:27)

This.

C (39:27)

And then when you look at some of the blue states, like you look at what's happening with Tim Walls in Minnesota, for example, this is a guy who, with a one seat majority, he delivered universal free school breakfast for kids, universal free school lunch. He legalized weed. He did tax rebates for the working class. He did 12 weeks paid family leave and 12 weeks paid sick leave. He, he did free college for families that make under $80,000 a year. He did sectoral bargaining for nursing home workers so their wages went up. So like, you put a Democrat in there and it is just wall to wall wins and then the approval rating skyrockets. So it's really one of those things where it's like you just got to get a toe in the door and then, you know, all of a sudden things might change and Democrats might actually have a shot.

A (40:08)

All right, here's one of the grievances you emailed with us beforehand, and I think this one is so hilarious. You said, I've had it with conservatives not understanding land doesn't vote.

C (40:19)

Yes, I'm sure you've seen the meme before, but like, Republicans will do this seemingly every week. Somebody will post like, what you're telling me. Democrats almost won with a map like this. And you'll see like a lot of red on the map and then like dots of blue. And these people are genuinely dumb enough where they think like, like, what are you talking about? Republicans are way more popular. Look at this, look at this. And it's like, no land doesn't vote. Like the, the blue dots are where all of the fucking people live, right? There's like 17 people in this giant swath of red and there's like millions of people in the dot of blue. How do you not understand this? Population density is like a very, very simple concept, but they genuinely and sincerely don't get it. And that to me is mind boggling because like, it's like I'm debating toddlers here. Like, what am I doing? I'm wasting my time.

B (41:03)

I think you've answered the question for how we got Trump second term.

A (41:07)

You're also debating toddlers based in Nigeria. Let's just go ahead, right? You know, a lot of the people that are posting this shit. Another thing you said you'd had it with are conservatives not understanding marginal tax rate rates.

C (41:23)

My entire life, and I'm not kidding, I've been doing this full time since 2012, my entire life, doing this. Not a single one has known what marginal tax rates are. Not a single one. A marginal tax rate is if they say, oh, we're going to do a 90% tax rate or a 70% tax rate. Conservatives, their brain shuts down and they go, oh my God, the government's taking all of my money. No, that's, that is for above a certain line. So If I make $6 million a year, let's say. Right, right. The first 5 million is taxed at a lower rate. And for every dollar above that $5 million mark per year, that's taxed at 70% or 90% or whatever the line is. None of them seem to get it. And what's so crazy is if we had high marginal tax rates, we could fully fund the social safety net and their lives would objectively be better. You would have a fully funded, you know, Medicaid system, Medicare system, you'd be able to have, you know, food stamps, fully funded, for example. Example. And like they're actively arguing against their well being by not understanding what marginal tax rates are and opposing high marginal tax rates.

A (42:26)

It's amazing to me, I remember when George W. Bush was running the second time. Josh had a criminal case somewhere out in rural Oklahoma because he's a criminal defense lawyer and he kind of. We were just so mad all the time. We fucking hated Dick Cheney. We hated George Bush. We. I look back on those problems now as kind of quaint, but he comes home and he's like, you're not gonna fucking believe what I saw at the gas station. So I saw this woman, she had like, you know, 10 kids in her car, no car seats, none of the kids had shoes on. Car was an old clunker and I mean, it could barely even, you know, start. And she had a Bush Cheney sticker on her car. And, you know, this is something that is so dominated in rural America. Our son last year, he was a senior in high school and he played basketball in all these rural Oklahoma towns. And as you got closer to these towns, like I remember, we pulled out to the school and this guy gets out of this big truck, had Trump, you know, Trump and like, you know, like militia type stickers on the back of it. Like, I'm a big boy and I have my big boy gun and my big boy truck. And he gets out and his shirt said.

A (43:40)

Jesus. Strong Trump, tough. And I thought, you know, I bet that hits so hard out here, you know, that I bet that fucking hits so hard out here. And I think this is where if the Democrats, whether it's Bernie Sanders idea of running independence, going into these places and saying what Josh said, if you don't like your life, you have no one to blame except for Republicans because they've been in charge of this state for 20 years. The last time we had a Democratic governor, his name was Brad Henry, we were ranked 17th in the nation in education, 17th. Since then, we are now dropped each year worse and worse and worse and worse. And now we're ranked 50th in the country. And we used to have a superintendent of school who as a side hustle sat in his car all the time, Ryan Walters, and filmed about his obsession with genitals and trans people. And it's just, it's wild how rural America, like they believe that land, you know, votes and they don't understand that they're being taxed at a higher rate than somebody like Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, who I want to remind everybody that's against immigration is a fucking immigrant. I just think it's really important that we remind everybody all the time that Elon Musk is a fucking immigrant that doesn't pay taxes, who is a parasite off the American taxpayers.

D (45:05)

Higher.

B (45:06)

And.

C (45:07)

Well, that's.

B (45:07)

Go ahead, Kyle.

C (45:08)

I was going to say. Well, you're exactly right. And also the entire right wing agenda, the whole point of it is tax cuts for the rich, right? Especially at the state level and at the federal level. And so what ends up happening is the working class gets a higher tax rate, the wealthy get a lower tax Rate, you underfund education, you underfund all of the social services. Their lives get objectively worse, worse. And it's all because Republicans have done this trick now for a generation where they talk about we're going to cut taxes, we're going to cut taxes, we're going to cut taxes. And working class people might think, oh, they're talking about me, they want me to have my money in my pocket more. But that's not true. They're talking about people like Elon Musk. They're talking about, you know, multi millionaires and billionaires. And that's the entire agenda. As soon as people wake up and realize the problem affecting your life in a negative way. It's not black people, it's not trans people, it's not immigrants, it's the billionaires and the fascists and the warmongers. As soon as they realize that, then we'll really, you know, have our moment in the sun.

A (46:05)

Don't you all think there has been a real shift though lately? Because I think the Trump administration has blown their wad really quickly in the, the showboating and grandstanding of wealth in this administration is like nothing I've ever seen. The Marie Antoinette redo of old, you know, old queen, I think he's just an old queen. Donald Trump listening to Phantom of the Opera redoing at the Oval Office. He's building this ridiculous ballroom which I'm so grateful that every donor wants to put their name in the ballroom because I want those motherfuckers name to go down forever as funders of fascism and people who refuse to defend the humanity and the rights of their fellow Americans. But the just the disgusting display of wealth by the magnificent seven people that own all the AI and Donald Trump taking the plane billion dollars, I think it's kind of backfiring and I think the soil is completely primed for a real fuck you rage economic populist takeover of the electorate.

B (47:09)

And I think it's an opportunity for Democrats as far as we have to remind ourselves so that day to day people get, they don't have time to go down three or four rabbit holes to get their information or their news. They go get it quickly. And so we have to take advantage of a way to message. We're given these layups with we're right on all the issues like we've talked about, but it's how do we message that in a way that reaches a lot of these people, whether it's in rural America or in bigger cities, because people there's so much disinformation out there. And that's by design for us not to be able to give succinct pieces of factual information for people to rely and make judgments on. So there's so much out there.

C (47:51)

I think you're right. And we're now fighting in that information environment. We're trying to give people like, you know, the bite sized factual information that keeps them fully informed, even though it's in a shorter amount of time. So we're fighting on that battlefield. But at the same time, Jennifer, to your point. Yeah, I think the thing that actually woke a lot of Americans up and the polling reflects this is the Great Gatsby Party that Trump had as he was freezing food stamps and freezing £94 million of food aid from going to food banks. So that was one thing that woke him up. And the other thing is the wanton destruction of the east wing illegally, casually, so he can build his Jeffrey Epstein Memorial ballroom. And so that's the thing, because, you know, Americans are going, holy shit. Inflation is out of control. My groceries cost way more than they did before. I'm having a hard time paying the rent or paying the light bill or whatever it is. And they're looking at Trump and they're going, you're having a Great Gatsby party party. You're having a roaring 20s party. What happened after the roaring 20s, you dipshit? It was the Great Depression. It was the Great Depression. Like, what are you celebrating? So I think that was really a moment. And we're getting closer. We're getting closer to that point. I mean, people have already soured on Trump's immigration agenda, but that was like his big sell during the election where he polled well on immigration. But now we're getting to the point where he's underwater on that. And then again, our main thing, and every Democrat needs to hammer this narrative home is, is the problem, is the billionaires. They're the problem. Repeat that over and over and over until people realize they're the reason your life sucks.

A (49:19)

They're the parasites. I mean, these are the people who are parasitic, the loopholes. And when you think about the benefit that Walmart gets from us subsidizing their inability and their lack of morals and principle and decency to pay their workers a livable wage. And we subsidize it when we give them food stamps, Medicare and Medicaid. But also just Jeff Bezos use of infrastructure to support Amazon, he should be paying a massive infrastructure tax, a massive infrastructure tax. His trucks are all over the place beating down streets and roads. And he is basically operates fights, you know, people that want to unionize. And he pays a shit ton of money to Donald Trump so that he doesn't have to pay taxes.

C (50:06)

Taxes, yeah. And think of Elon Musk. He has taken tens of billions of dollars from the federal government. And what's he doing? He's cutting pediatric cancer research and Meals on Wheels. I mean, think about the optics of that. The world's richest man, who just got a trillion dollar pay package, by the way, he's going to be the world's first trillionaire. That guy is cutting pediatric cancer research and Meals on Wheels as he's taking like 30 plus billion dollars from US taxpayers. So his rockets explode 48 times. Like, what are we doing here? What are we doing?

B (50:38)

It's unbelievable. And another thing we were talking about earlier that I wanted to ask you about, Kyle, is do you think that the government's sort of acquiescence on this shutdown, the seven or eight Democrats that voted in favor, you think that was a missed opportunity again where the Democrats were on a winning position and about 70 or 80% there with it. And it was at a point in time when Trump's numbers were tanking. You know, the Republicans controlled everything. The Epstein files were an issue. All of that was sort of. Because I remember reading that. Not in the day to day. No. And just, just being really pissed off, being mad.

C (51:14)

Well, 100%. They absolutely messed up. They absolutely messed up because either the Republicans would have had to fold at some point or if they didn't fold, what they would have done is nuked the filibuster. But that's good. I'm okay with them doing that because. Because they're only going to get a small window where they can get anything through, even with nuking the filibuster. And then when we get power back, we can actually make real change with no filibuster anymore. And so they really messed up this opportunity. And I gotta be honest, I actually think they probably would have folded to one extent or another. They would have offered at least a year or so of the Obamacare subsidies extended, but they would have wanted to do it like let's call it a different name or let's like relabel it and let's call it Trump subsidies or something like that, and then they would have been fine with it. So we were right there. And of course Chuck Schumer rushed in to bail out the Republicans like he always does. And that's the problem, right, Is we just had a mandate in that election. Like, people want you to fight. They voted for a Democrat who was, like, joking about murdering his political opponent. You think they want you to go in there and, like, immediately cave to these people? That's psychotic. They want you to go to town against them.

B (52:14)

And it was just like, why did we do it? We have all of this momentum, these elections. We had, you know, all the polls, numbers, all this stuff. And then you read that and you just think, now, why am I part of this party? Why, why? Why are we doing this? And you just want to bash my head against a wall.

C (52:31)

Totally. It's a ghost ship. And we got to board that ghost ship and take control of it. That's the bottom line. And I think, I think in due time. It's already happening. There are people who are now fans of the I've had it podcast and fans of my show and fans of breaking points. Like, these are people who are going to be in Congress now and going to be in the Senate now, now. And like, okay, now we're talking. Now we have, you know, a group of people who are really about the fight.

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A (56:42)

All right, Kyle, let's play our world famous game. Had it or Hit It. Oh my gosh. Welcome to had it or Hit It. I would hit it. Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. All right. Had it or Hit it. Zionism.

C (56:57)

Oh my God, I've absolutely had it with Zionism. It's the one version of an ethnostate that everybody has to say they support. I mean, that's insane to me. Any other version of an ethnostate, everybody's like, well hold on. An ethnostate by definition is against against democracy and against secularism. But we have one example where you go, well, this One gets a special exemption. No, it doesn't. We see what happens when you have a state based on that. What happens? You have genocide in Gaza. You have, now the west bank is being taken over. You have Israel trying to create Greater Israel because they believe in an ethnic hierarchy and supremacy where they're above everybody else. Well, this is the end result of that. So everybody should just stand in principle against all ethnostates.

A (57:36)

Yeah. So I, like you said, I, in principle, as an atheist, somebody who thinks religion has screwed up so much of everything. I was against Zionism, but my opposition to Zionism has accelerated like you wouldn't believe after hearing Zionists speak. One in particular, former Obama speechwriter Sarah Hurwitz, I believe her name is. And I've watched her speak in three different places now. And this woman, it's a level of brainwashed cult psychosis in which she speaks that is so jarring. It's. It's almost worse. Living in the Bible Belt, you hear a bunch of evangelicals say a bunch of crazy about spiritual warfare. What she's saying is almost worse. Like, I think it is worse because she's saying when she talks about the wall of dead children, she acts like you just need to ignore that so we can continue to move forward with whatever their ethnic cleansing plan is. And it's just disturbing to see these people on a stage and it's produced and they're sitting in chairs and they look very civilized discussing this carnage and being so dismissive of it. And it's made me be like, the biggest opposer of Zionism on the planet. Like, the more Zionists speak, the more I hate them. I think they're absolute monsters.

C (59:00)

Totally, totally. And that same woman said. Said she's turning on Holocaust education because Holocaust education is making people see Palestinians with more humanity and realize that when we say never again, we should mean never again for everybody. She says the younger generation has been poisoned by that mindset. What we need to realize, according to her, is that the Holocaust education should be about teaching that Jews are special victims so they have special victim status. And like, when we say never again, we actually mean just for us. That's what she means when she says that. And she's on stage saying this.

A (59:32)

How condescending to tell younger Jews, which I've had a conversation with many since I moved to New York. And there's a definite generational divide where the older Jewish people tend to be more Zionist. They were more radically indoctrinated into thinking this under the, you know, dark cloud of the Holocaust and they valued Israel as directly linked to Jewish safety and to, to opposing anti Semitism. The younger generation, less indoctrinated, more critically thinking. I think it's very condescending held them, they can't care about this genocide and they can't care about Palestinians. And I further think that these Zionists that are alleged liberals or Democrats or former Obama aides have to atone or explain to us how they have allowed this bullshit argument that the Trump administration is using, which is anti Semitism on college campus campuses to go and then get, do a complete shakedown of these universities and then start censoring speech. And the more you censor speech, the more you're incubating anti Semitism, racism, all of the stuff. And they need to explain this because it seems to me like these people are just walking, talking contradictions, hypocrites, sociopaths of the highest order.

C (60:55)

Yeah. How quickly they threw out all the concern about free speech when it came to this one issue issue. Right. We heard nonstop for years about, oh, free speech is the most important thing. Stop telling comedians what they can and cannot say. The second it was the, it was free speech to criticize Israel, all of a sudden that's anti Semitic. We got to shut it down, it's over. And so yes, they've just been exposed as colossal hypocrites. But I think that the public has come around to our position and it's only a matter of time until Democrats do. I mean, you've done a great job of this, Jennifer, where you've now made it basically a litmus test that if you're a Democrat and you're taking AIPAC money, you're not really a Democrat, you're Diet Maga, you know.

B (61:31)

Right.

C (61:31)

And so they're, they're going to have to wake up or be left in the dustbin of history.

A (61:36)

I completely agree. And I just also, I think it's, it's very, the whole Zionism Israel conversation becomes so consuming and it gets prioritized in such a high regard that it leaves a lot of other marginalized human rights groups that we need to advocate for like anti black racism and the anti immigrant sentiment which has actual actions that are parallel exactly with Nazi Germany where you see America's American citizens or brown skinned immigrants in this country kidnapped by Trump's Gestapo with the puppy goat killer Kristi Noem leading the charge when she can fit it in, in between photo shoots and the fact that I don't hear the Sarah Hurwitz of the world world prioritizing what's happening to those people in this country right now the most. And she's putting these. Her own personal desires for Israel over everything else to me, tells me she doesn't really value human rights. She values human rights the same way Marjorie Taylor Greene does, which is they cherry pick which ones are important. I mean, and I wish somebody would get Marjorie Taylor Greene in front of them and just say, hey, who won the 2020 election? Hey, what do you think about gay marriage? Because then her rebranding tour is going to start unraveling.

B (62:57)

What's interesting about her, too, is that she decides to resign after one week of, you know, catching shit from maga. And you and Kyle have been, you know, doing this forever in the trenches, taking all the MAGA heads, and it's like, really? You get one week of it and you're out. We have to fight this shit every single day. So.

C (63:15)

That's right.

B (63:15)

Yeah.

C (63:16)

Do you think she's going to run? Do you guys think she's going to run president? Yeah.

A (63:19)

It's going to be Carlson, Tucker Carlson at the top of the ticket, Marjorie Taylor Greene at the bottom. Marjorie Taylor Greene is rolling out exactly Trump's plan that he did in 2015 into 2016. She's starting to attack Republicans. That's exactly what Trump did. Little Marco, low energy Jeb. She's doing all of that, but she's also combining it with an economic populist message. And she is a total anti Semit Semite. She is a total Jew hater. She doesn't give a shit about linking anti black racism, transphobia to anti Semitism to Islamophobia. She's all down with some forms of racism. But she knows that the America first agenda has an Israel problem on both sides, and she's going to message it as such. And I think she's going to run run along with Tucker. And I think they're both already. They see that Trump completely ruined the Republican Party. But I think you're going to see people like Nikki Haley, she's going to be rebirthed and be like, I want to bring back compassionate conservatism and get back to Ronald Reagan.

C (64:28)

You know, Ted Cruz, we know he's going to run. Yeah, Ted Cruz.

A (64:32)

Ted Cruz. Okay, here's that. Everybody hates Ted Cruz. Like his neighbors hate him. They were leaking to the press when he went to Cancun. His neighbors were anonymous sources in this story in the paper that he is such a piece of. I mean, I kind of. I'm excited for Ted Cruz to run again because I think he's great content.

B (64:54)

The Cancun video is just too good. He's wearing, like, these outdated dad jeans, you know, in the video, and he's got like some, you know, beach shirt on. And God, it was just so great. Right? Fantastic.

C (65:04)

And he's leaning into supporting Israel, too. That's his thing is he's saying, I represent old school conservatism like George W. Bush style or Ronald Reagan style. And I don't think that's going to land, especially because young conservatives are about 50% against Israel. And so that's not the future of the party. All the Israel supporters are like 80 years old on the right.

A (65:23)

You know, here's the thing, too. Marjorie Taylor Greene is outflanking the Democrats right now because Hakeem chuckles. Take so much APAC money and they haven't completely evolved out of it yet. But when she you live in it. Red county. Ish. We're from a red state. When she says very simply, and so imagine you're on your Instagram and you see cat and then you see, you know, some funny meme, and then you see Marjorie Taylor Greene and she says, we have sent Israel billions of dollars and we also then thus subsidize their health care. They don't go into medical debt, and they. We also pay for their kids to go to college and they don't have to go into go into medical debt and we pay for that. That hits hard. And flyover states. That hits so hard. And it's a very simple message. Now, the Democrats would try to go in and explain why Marjorie Taylor's green Marjorie Taylor Greene is wrong. And they'd give all these nuanced answers. She's really an anti Semit. When Democrats should make the exact same message that we cannot fund a fascist regime to kill a bunch of kids. And then they do have a lot of these benefits that we don't have. And I don't just besmirch anybody for having health care. I want all citizens of all of the world to have such a thing. But she's outflanking the Democrats on that stuff, and I hope that they catch up.

B (66:42)

You could just say America first, not Israel first. I mean, that was the start.

A (66:46)

Yeah, she has it on her door in Congress. Yeah.

B (66:49)

Okay, well, that makes sense because I think that's a pretty clean, clear message.

C (66:54)

Yeah, I think the Democrats are waking up to some of that stuff. I saw a bunch of attacking Trump over giving $40 billion to Argentina while he's freezing the food stamp money. And starving people. And that same line of argument applies across the board when it comes to Israel as well. Giving them billions of dollars as they massacre innocent Palestinians. I think there's something there, and I think that the main message has to be, it's the billionaires, it's the fascists, it's the warmongers. They are the problem and we need to defeat them in order for you to have a better life. It's got nothing to do with. Trans people are not the problem. Black people are not the problem. Immigrants are not the problem. Problem, et cetera, et cetera. They're the real problem.

A (67:29)

People are not the problem. I mean, I think that provides cover from a political strategy point that, you know, a lot of Democrats are fearful of Jewish voters because there is a generational divide and they are typically big donors to their campaigns. And I think it's important that Zoron did it really well and he won. But he linked anti Semitism to Islamophobia, to all of the other things, and then. And factored it in with affordability. Like, our affordability plan is forever everybody. That includes Jewish people, that includes Muslim Americans, that includes, you know, whatever type of American you are. If you're trans American, then our affordable, our affordability plan works for you. And if you don't like that maga tough titties, go stick with the billionaires. See how much they like you.

C (68:14)

And he made clear we're pro Jew and anti Zionist. Exactly. That that's our stance is we. We love Jewish people, but we're against Zionism. And that lands. People understand that distinct distinction.

A (68:25)

Yeah. Okay, moving along. Had it or hit it. Maga bot farms.

C (68:30)

Oh, Maga bot farms. I've obviously actually. Know what, I'm going to surprise you. I hit it because it's hilarious. I thought, it's hilarious. It's too easy. Now you go, anybody says anything from one of these big MAGA accounts, and it's like, okay, but you're in Pakistan right now. You're in a basement in Nigeria. Like, who are we kidding? I actually sort of love it because it just exposes. The sad part of it is we were psyoped into fascism in this country. Country. Because everybody was under the impression that this wave of pro Maga stuff online, that to one extent or another, there's like a sincere core there, but there's really not. It was basically like this massive psyop. You trick the entire country into thinking it was basically like, fake it till you make it like, oh, totally. So much MAGA stuff. And then people were like, I guess I'm on board with the MAGA stuff. And it's like, really? This is where we're at now, where we get like, you know, dragged around by the tail from people in infant India messing with us to make some money? It's kind of crazy if you think about it.

B (69:22)

Yeah, it's kind of perfect too, really. I mean, in our culture that the MAGA policy is being dictated or governed by these people in Nigeria and all.

A (69:31)

Their maga merch is made in China.

B (69:32)

And all the flags on the profiles and their banners, you know, it's like the American flag everywhere. It's almost just kind of perfect, really.

C (69:39)

When you think about it, people are doing like, Fuentes Nazi accounts and they're in India. What is this?

A (69:47)

Okay, had it or hit it? RFK Junior Junior's poetry.

C (69:52)

Oh, my God. I'm going to surprise you again. I hit it because it's hilarious. It is gross. I don't know if you guys saw that piece from Ryan Lizza. Yeah. Ryan Lizza explained that he found text messages between RFK and his ex fiance, Olivia Nuzzy, where he learned, unfortunately, he had to learn what the term felching meant. So felching, I don't know how. How dark I can go on this show here. You tell me if I got the green light here, but go for it. Felching is when. When you come inside a pussy or an asshole and then you eat out your own cum from said pussy or asshole. And RFK was talking about this to Olivia Nuzzi, and by the way, they claim, oh, we only had a texting relationship. I call bullshit on that immediately because you don't go from zero to felching in fucking texts. Right? Like, there's gotta be some real life stuff in between. Am I wrong?

B (70:41)

So RFK texting about this felching with this woman.

C (70:46)

Yes, yes, yes. And you know what's hilarious? I saw somebody had this tweet, I thought it was hilarious. They said, RFK wants to ban you from having red M&Ms. But he'll eat come out of an.

B (70:56)

How can he say anything after that? Like, you need to not be able to say anything. Amazing. The one thing I learned from that story was the fact that Mark Sanford is still alive.

C (71:08)

Yes.

B (71:09)

I didn't know that guy was still around. I mean, the last I knew, he had taken off to the mountains or something. And he's still. He's still. Still with us.

C (71:16)

That guy disappeared. He was the story for like a week or two. Everybody was Talking about it. He disappeared in the Appalachian Mountains. And now. Now he's back. Who knows? Olivia Nuuy. Olivia Nuuy, by the way, I don't know if there's somebody in politics that she hasn't slept with. Apparently she was with Keith Olberman, too, when Keith was 50. She was 18 years old at Keith. Man, that's a bad look, bro. I don't know what you're doing there.

B (71:36)

Yeah.

A (71:36)

And the thing about this story is, is obviously nobody cares how many people Olivia Nutzy sleeps with with. It's sleeping with, like, sources, the journalists crossing that line. That's where the integrity issue is. And she seemed to do that time and time again.

B (71:52)

It's just sprinkled in with all of these little tidbits of juice with felt, Mark Sanford being around somewhere, like in some thread that the husband, you know, finds out about. He's reading. He's. I didn't even know that guy was still alive, honestly.

C (72:07)

She also, by the way, made a song when she was 16 years old, and it's called Jailbreak Bait. And she sings about how she's jail bait because she's such a. It's crazy. It is crazy. And now I think Vanity Fair had hired her, and now they're looking into whether or not they're going to keep her. Let her go. Because Ryan Lizza, he's got a lot more in the chamber, too. He said, look, part one. I got more for you. You guys better.

A (72:28)

She's really attractive. I mean, I've seen pictures. I. I've never seen her in person. I've seen picture of her. She's gorgeous. Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna list your Hat it or hit it. And then I'm gonna put a question attached to it. It's had it or hit it, Hakeem Jeffries. And then after you answer that, I want you to address the following. Zoron and AOC have signaled that they don't want him primaried. So answer both of those.

C (72:52)

Yeah, I've had it with all of that. I mean, it's just. To me, it's terrible. He. He doesn't know how to fight. He's Diet Maga. He's bought by corporations and by APAC from. For Zoron and aoc. I get what they're trying to do. What they're saying is, hey, we're in here now. We're trying to make a positive change. In order to do that, we need to have allies, the more centrist side. So let us cook. That's basically their argument, but I don't buy it. Because Zoron is mayor of New York City, he doesn't have to work through Hakeem Jeffries. AOC is only going to be in Congress not that much longer, because he's either going to run for Senate or run for president. You don't need this man. So to me, it seems like overkill. If Zoron had said, look, I'm not going to go after Kathy Hochul because I have to work through her. I get that. Because it's true. She might be the one you have to get your agenda through. I get that. But this is not Kathy Hochul. This is Hakeem Jeffries, who. Who's like. Just like Chuck Schumer in how ineffectual he is in fighting back against Maga. And so I just want them to tell me, give me a good reason why you're doing this. Tell me what it is. Is there some fundraising mechanism that I don't understand that has to go through them? And they can quash your agenda like that with the push of a button? Let me know. Because otherwise what people are going to start saying is, really, did you sell out this quickly? Did you, like, go soft this quickly? And I don't want people thinking that, because these are the best that we have at the moment, and there are. There are out allies to an extent. And so we need to be fully kept in the loop here. And I don't feel like we are being kept in the loop.

A (74:11)

I agree with that. And because I feel like with Hakeem, there. There are moments where I'm like, okay, all right. And then there's a lot of moments where I'm like, hakeem, what the fuck? Like, he needs to hire a really good social media manager. Whoever's doing it right now is not great. And he needs to, I think, come on more podcasts. He's been on ours before, but I wasn't as attuned to the APAC stuff at the time. I think I asked him about it, but I didn't really get in that ass like I should have, and I'd like to have him come back on. We can ask him to come back on, but here's where I stand with this. We have the politicians that we have, and if we have Hakeem, and it's clear that he's going to win, even if he gets primaried, which I think all of these centrist Democrats should be primaried to either make them tougher and a little bit further to the left, and iron out some of the kinks.

A (75:03)

Or the primary wins. I think, I think all of these people should be primaried. I agree with David Hogg on that. But Hakeem, there's just something. It's the pick me situation that bugs me. It's like, oh, pick me. You know, he has a lot of word salad, platitude answers that really drive me crazy. And if I hear the words, strongly worded letter from anybody, from any person, any person, person, like, I. I think that should be as disqualifying as aipac. If you say that you're going to fight Donald Trump in his dipshit squad with a strongly worded letter, I'm just gonna lose my mind.

C (75:43)

So true. It's so true. And the thing like, what are you. What are you doing this for? That's the thing to me is, like, I need to be able to feel why you're doing this, why you're a politician, why you can care and look for virtually everybody on the right. You get the. You get the sense, oh, these are genuinely hateful. Like, they hate liberals, they hate trans people, they hate immigrants. They have a real driving force of, like, you, we're gonna make this a Christian nation, a white nation. Yeah. Like, they're about that life. Whereas on the Democratic side, to your point, you do get the pick me sense. You get the. Where the teacher's pet who are like, I'm trying to be a careerist and climb the ladder and get my name up there. And it's like, that's not enough. I need to feel like you're in this for universal health care and free college and a living wage and ending the wars and ending the corruption. Like, I need to feel it in my bones that you're about that life and you want to take the fight to the billionaires and the fascists and the warmongers. And unfortunately, there's just not that many where you really get that, that sense that, like, that revolutionary spirit is sort of flowing through them, where you have.

B (76:44)

That, you have that level of conviction, but you also don't care. Care what other people think. That's the second part of that, is that you're going to take a stance and you don't care if it's unpopular to a certain extent, if you think it's right. That's the part that's missing.

C (76:56)

That's attractive. Yeah, that's so attractive, too.

A (76:59)

AOC answered this. There was the town hall before the elections with she and Bernie Sanders, and they asked her about MAGA people Disliking her. And she said, they can dislike me all they want, but I'm still going to fight for them to have health care. And that was a really, really, really good answer. It was something think could penetrate these people.

C (77:21)

Totally.

A (77:22)

And just to say, look, I disagree with you. Your votes make me sick. They make me want to vomit, actually. I mean, all day long. But I, I'm going to fight for your fat ass. To have health care and to have access to good things. Because I don't believe in suffering in the richest country on the planet. And I think I thought that was a really, really good point. So I don't know. I mean, we have a pack Shakur. We're just gonna have to keep pushing him. You know, I think he is going to get primaried and I think it'll be good. He'll either win or he'll get his ass beat. It'll be interesting to see where it goes. Okay, two more. Had it or hit it. Bubba gate.

C (77:58)

Oh, Bubba gate. Oh, I'll hit that all day. That's amazing. Because whatever the, whatever the explanation is, it opened up the door for us to speculate like crazy, which is glorious. We're talking about Trump blowing Bill Clinton. We're talking about Trump blowing a horse. We're talking about Trump blowing some other random guy named Bull Bubba. Like, what's to not like?

A (78:20)

I love it so much. I've always loved a gay Republican scandal. I mean, back in the day from Larry Craig going to the airport, that conservative senator that did the tapping, you know, to the stall next door because he wanted to go eat ass and then go to Washington the next day and do all this, you know, family values.

C (78:37)

So Mark Foley, I think, was that Mark Foley? That may have been Mark Foley.

A (78:41)

Larry Craig.

C (78:42)

Larry Craig, Mark Foley, I think he's another gay Republican or Christian. Yeah, right.

A (78:46)

Yeah. And so I love this so much because I had long felt like Donald Trump presented like an old queen and I have excellent gaydar. And then Trump 2.0, he comes in and you start seeing the decorating projects, the music, the, you know, you saw what happened after he met Zoran, which clearly there's a pattern. This man likes dark skinned men. We saw how he was with the Prince of Saudi. I hadn't seen him that happy. He's never that happy around either, Elon. God knows, God knows JD Vance isn't his taste. This, this man, this old queen president of ours doesn't really like, I think attracted to Caucasians. I mean, you see him get very excited around. Around brown skinned people with a. Culminating with the just absolute crush on Zoron. And then the next day he did a little makeover.

C (79:40)

Yes.

A (79:41)

Little scarf on, you know, like he was going to the gay bar that night and his hair was a little bit poofier. I'm telling you, this man likes brown skinned men.

C (79:50)

He also. Have you seen those clips of him, the compilations where he's talking about they got this big, strong, beautiful guy. Have you seen this man? Big broad shoulders, straight out of central casting. Good looking guy. Look at this guy. I'll kiss all you. And even that guy. There's all these amazing clips of him just riffing and letting the truth come out from time to time. So I am totally there. I'm going by. I think Trump is better by. That's my guess.

A (80:13)

You're going by. You see, I think I, I think that it's. I, I don't know. I mean I could go by. But I definitely for sure thinks that he likes men in the whole maga movement. I think there is just so much DL homosexuality in it. All the photoshopped pictures. I think even the broadcasting space, these men have other men on. They are very. Their happiest and homo social. Social settings like the whole entire. Like, you know those. I'm going to be a big boy boot camp. Have you ever gone down the rabbit hole on those where these. If they go to alpha male boot camps, it's all gay. They do all this wrestling. It's so homoerotic. I think the whole movement and I just think there's a lot of DL demon queens in the maga movement. You've got JD Vance, you have the out of the closet DL demon queen. Scott Beth.

A (81:08)

I think.

A (81:10)

Who are the others that I'm always. Oh, the speaker, Moses, Mike Grinder. Johnson is the biggest queen on the planet.

C (81:16)

You know Marco Rubio in the bubble bath, Remember that?

A (81:19)

Marco Rubio. Yeah. Huh. There's a lot of them and I just think there's a lot of either. I think a lot of the maga hyper sexuality stuff is my theory is a lot of like straight men have watched Torn and then they see like a hard penis. And that was the moment where they got excited and so they like it. That was kind of fun. Then they think, oh my God, I'm gay. And maybe they're not. Maybe they just liked in that exact moment a penis because it's not so binary. And then you have all. We have to go through all of this suffering because these people refuse to go to therapy.

C (81:52)

No, you made a great point about the hyper masculinization thing where you have, you'll see these podcasts and they'll be in like, you know, an all wood room and they'll have like a camo hat on and they got this big phallic cigar that they're puffing on and it's. And they're all on steroids by the way. Just like RFK. He's 70 years old. That's why he's talking about felching, because he's 70 years old. Steroids. And so he's horn. The Kennedy's already have a high libido and then he added steroids on top of it. So he's gonna be until he's in the grave basically. But like you see these guys and between the steroids and the cigars and the camo and then we're going on hunting trips and we're gonna man you up and come to our boot camp. It all just screams gay. It just screams gay. It's just very, it's the over compensation thing, right? It's, it's the same reason there were studies that said the people who are very vocally anti gay are. They did a study where like they attached electrodes to their dick and they got hard when they watch gay porn. So they're. Yeah, so they're, they're gay and they, you know, they internalize the shame from a very Christian culture. And that's how they, that's how they try to protect themselves, to be like, oh, that's disgusting, that's gross. It, the overcompensation thing. I wonder when the world is going to catch on to that and when these guys are going to realize you look more suspect that way, bro. Because you look at a guy like me, I got bleached blonde hair, I'm wearing makeup right this second and every time I do a show I'm wearing makeup and I'm the straightest on the planet, right? And so they got to break free of this mindset that like if I'm jacked and I got the camo and the cigar and everything, then I seem really straight. It's like actually no, that's when the gayar starts going a little bit.

A (83:20)

But because I think they're projecting what they think straight men want and what straight men like, like where straight men, you know, like are not just this one stereotype. And that's just like a real red flag to me. But I think that's just a whole problem with this. And you, and you pegged it when you link it to the Christianity and the shame surrounding all of that. Because I just think we got a bunch of queens and I just think, I mean, Donald Trump, I think, okay, you know, old people in your lives, Kyle, right? As they start to die, they start talking a lot. Loose lips sink ships. And so you'll have like a parent that will be like, you were always my favorite child or I never liked you. Right. I think we're about a year away from. And Trump will never not be on camera. That has to be on camera all the time. Somebody's going to get him in an interview on a podcast and he is going to say, you know what? That love affair I had with Bubba and he gave the best blow job. Boy, that son of a. Could suck the crowd chrome off of a tailpipe, I tell you. And I think it's going to be one of the more glorious days for America because then we can use that to say maga. We're so happy to know that you're not anti gay. You worshiped this man, this old queen. All the signs were there all the time. He's blaring Phantom of the Opera, but come on.

C (84:42)

Better looking than Tom Cruise. He says that all the time. Cruise.

B (84:46)

Maybe I'll make the revelation. Revelation on I've had it podcast, maybe.

A (84:49)

I would love it. I would live for it.

C (84:50)

Be amazing.

A (84:51)

And remember when he was on the campaign trail, he gave that microphone a blowjob with, I mean, a familiarity. There was a film familiarity to the technique that cannot be discounted. Okay.

C (85:02)

Last year, Andy, one more thing. Hold on. He talked about Arnold Palmer's. I can't not bring that.

A (85:06)

So excited about it. He was as excited talking about the as he was glare staring up at Zoron.

C (85:12)

It was a whole story. Story. Yeah, story. He spoke for five minutes where the punchline was Arnold Palmer's dick.

A (85:18)

Yeah, he was excited about it too. He was excited. Okay, last one. Had it or hit it. The United States of America.

C (85:25)

This one's a tough one. And I heard you ask. I think it was Hassan Piker or maybe Emma Vigland. This question. And me and Crystal were listening to the podcast when picking up the kids and we actually were discussing it a little bit and she said, she said she'd hit it. I gotta be honest with you. I'm more. I've had it at the this point. And the reason I say that is because I've never ever, ever, ever, ever seen a situation where we went this low. I mean, we. Trump opened up concentration Camps he had alligator, Auschwitz, sending people to seekot where by the way, people were graped at seacot. And there's detailed reporting on that. You also have like we talked about before, the warmongering, trying to overthrow Venezuela, bombing Iran, doing a fake peace agreement in Gaza as Palestinians continue to get murdered on a daily basis basis. The stupid trade war which is just absolutely jacking up prices, unemployment's going up, the billionaires taking over the country. You got all these horrible things. And I never thought in my wildest dreams it could get this bad. So I'm very like, I'm very disgusted with our political system but also a little disgusted too with sort of the passivity of the public. So in this moment I'd say I've had it. But that's all the more reason, like I don't want to say, say that and it to be like a negative thing. That's all the more reason to try to fight to get back to a place where I hit it. Like that's my reaction to that is we got to do everything we can to get it back on track. So I'd say I'd hit it. But in this moment, no, there's no hitting anything.

B (86:52)

I think that's a very, very honest answer that's sort of reflective of the way a lot of us feel is that if we're going to be honest about the state of affairs with our country and its again, there's so many things that happen in one day. Like if I wanted to not go practice law and sit and read all this stuff, it would take hours to process and digest. But most people have to go to their day job, what they do every day and focus on working, getting a paycheck, picking up your kids, doing the very basic things that my fear is that we don't have enough time in the day to process what's real and what's not real and that we're desensitizing people to where they just don't care. And there's nothing worse than apathy. When people just don't care, that's when the wheels start to fall off. I will say this. 2028. Jennifer Kyle. Let's do it. Okay. That's my.

C (87:45)

Oh my God.

A (87:46)

I'm gonna put you, Jennifer.

C (87:47)

I'll put you. I would knock on every door in America for you. I hope you know that. Right? I want you to be our president so bad.

A (87:52)

Thank you. Thank you. I told Josh I would rather earn my money on my back than be a politician because at least everybody would know exactly what I. I was, you know, But I appreciate that. I think that I'm best partnering and allying with this, all of these voices like yours and building a giant pro democracy echo chamber because we're 10 years behind. And I think we're actually starting to get a lot of traction in building this new media. And I thank you so much. You know, I love you and Crystal so much. Listener. We went on a double date, the first four of us, Crystal Ball, Kyle's wife, Josh and I, we went to the US Open together and we had the best day.

C (88:34)

Right? It was. It was awesome. And we're giant fans of you guys as well, so keep up the awesome work.

B (88:39)

Tell your wife hi for us. Okay? For me.

C (88:41)

We'll do. We'll do. Thanks for having me, guys.

A (88:43)

All right, thanks, Kyle. Bye.

C (88:44)

Bye.

A (88:45)

Kyle's cool. I like him.

B (88:46)

Smart.

A (88:47)

He's very smart.

B (88:48)

Smart.

A (88:49)

Smart. He has a great.

A (88:53)

YouTube channel. Channel. And what people like about Kyle is he just. He speaks very.

A (89:00)

Factually and to the point and we just need more of that. And I love he and Crystal. He's very smart. All right, listener, we will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

A (89:10)

I'll tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that.

A (89:16)

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D (89:21)

Dropped.

A (89:22)

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C (89:54)

Caca.

B (89:55)

That's it.

A (89:57)

That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.