B (4:10)

First of all, he's on a trip all the time. I mean, he appears completely up every time I see him. He thinks he's hot because he has Gronk telling people what a great body he has. Like that in and of itself would be a reason to run. But can you imagine getting up? First of all, him speaking is like, can you imagine being in a three hour meeting with him stumbling over words? The speech pattern which again, I don't know if, if that's ketamine or just his speech pattern, but it would be. I, I don't know what I would think. I would rather just say it and you know, sell magazines on the street corner. That would be preferable than having to sit and listen to him talk. But all these crazy ideas, like, do you have to agree? Like, we're going to conquer Mars, we're going to be on Mars. Okay. Even though there's nothing to back that up. But he says it. So do you have to agree with everything he says? Is he like a Trump? I mean, I don't, it's amazing to me.

A (5:16)

I mean I've read some stats that, you know, he could, his contract, he's like going to be the world's first trillionaire, which is so obscene in and of itself how Tesla's stock is still so high considering like his first customer base were liberals that cared about the environment. And then he goes full tilt. Maga. And now the liberals don't want his cars anymore. Maga. They don't want to drive an electric car because they drive a truck, because they don't want everybody to think they're a pussy that drives some California, you know, eco friendly car. You got to have a truck with truck nuts and all this stuff. And Tesla sales are down. And every time I hear him speak, I am just like, oh my God, like this is not an impressive person. And it's always like, Elon Musk is a genius. And we just attribute this genius to people who are really, actually not really geniuses. They're just really good exploiters. They're very good at exploiting people because there's an empathy chip that's missing, which is why I think they've colluded with, you know, these far right religious people that, you know, also have a problem with empathy. And so I just. These B the Bak hires are what get me like that. Every day you go and you have to go kiss his ass. And even for these billionaires, I've always thought this, like, you've got to go make a trophy and go give it to this guy who like redneck America is like, yeah, he's a man. He's a real man. And Donald Trump is the biggest old queen I've ever seen in my entire life. Full face of makeup, listening to Phantom of the Opera, obsessed with his decorating projects, obsessed with, you know, his resentments. And that's their idea of a hyper masculine guy. It's just in these billionaires like that have to go make like, I'll never forget Tim Cook. Yeah, Made ridiculous trophy and goes in there just because he wants, you know, some sort of chips for the iPhones or some that he just went and say, you know what? We're rich as at Apple, right? Every MFER on the planet has an iPhone. Everybody's got MacBooks. We're going to sit this out. We are not going to bend the knee to this man. And that so many of these people have bent the knee to him, to me, is the biggest indictment on billionaires that I've ever seen. And you don't see billionaires coming out and saying, we need to stop this. We need to protect our democracy. I did see, and I don't know if he's a billionaire or not, but I was for sure a multimillionaire Mitt Romney who I'm you. I used. Who I used to refer to as Mittens Romney when he ran against Obama. Mittens did a post where he's like, I think it was an opinion piece maybe for the Washington Post or something. And it was, we're going to have to start taxing wealthy people like me. Of course, when he ran for president and he was a Senate, he was all chips in on, you know, helping country club Republicans get more wealth, avoid taxes and helping them exploit people more. But I saw him do that. But I also. Mittens kind of shocked the shit out of me. I'll never forget I had Covid, a long Covid. You remember that pumps. It's like October 2020, I was quarantined forever. And I'm like going down a rabbit hole watching BLM Prot on Tik Tok, which I had just discovered. And I'll be God damned if there wasn't Mittens Romley Romney with a mask on in Salt Lake at a BLM rally. And I was like, what the is he doing at Black Lives Matter rally? Yeah, researched it. He has a black grandkid. And so it's interesting to me that a lot of these men that have supported Trump in the past seem to have really, really distanced themselves from him. Like you, you know, like former speaker of the House Paul Ryan. I forget what the other guy's name was. It was speaker of the House when Obama was in. It's a big smoker. And he cried all the time, John always crying.

B (9:28)

It's gonna drive me crazy.

A (9:30)

Yeah, but you know what I'm talking about.

B (9:31)

I can't remember.

A (9:32)

Yeah, like, total smoker face. And he always crying. Yeah, like, you know, they're not into all this. Even George W. Bush is, is they incubated all of this. They incubated Trump. And then they know how crazy he is and he knows. They know how wrong they were and they just, you know, sit over to the side and don't fight this.

B (9:56)

Yeah, it's. It's really unbelievable. I mean, I look at 20, 25 in the hole and I just think, wow, it is so much worse than I thought it could be. And I knew it was going to be bad. I mean, I knew it was, but it is so much faster. And what I guess I've discovered more than anything is how sadistic a lot of the population is. They, they're like, they like seeing other people hurt. I mean, it's not just Stephen Miller and those cronies. There is a swath of the US Population that likes it.

A (10:35)

All right, pumps, what have you had it with?

B (10:37)

Okay, what I've had it with is I've had so many people ask me, what's your New year's resolution for 2026? And I'm like, a couple things. Number one, I don't make resolutions because I invariably fail to meet them. Number two, if I really did have a resolution, wouldn't that be nosy for you to ask? Wouldn't you be prying into my personal boundaries to ask me what my self improvement list would? And then number three, I'm like, every single fucking person in the United States of America needs to be have one resolution, and that is making it to the midterms. Like, we can't worry about your weight loss and you're quitting smoking and not drinking wine in January. We need to be singularly focused on getting to the midterms and saving democracy. And I. I feel like a lot more people than I thought at this point would be into it that are like, okay, we have to get to the midterms. Like, even people I didn't expect saying, okay, we've got to stop the train that's off the rails. But, yeah, so I'm just like, if I had a resolution, I think you're nosy to ask.

A (11:53)

My favorite part of that grievance is. My favorite part of that grievance is you saying people getting into your personal boundaries. My personal boundaries are new.

B (12:04)

You know that. These are very. Personal boundaries are a new concept for me, as you well know.

A (12:10)

I don't know.

B (12:11)

The old listeners will know. I came home from therapy one day and I tell Jennifer, oh, my God, we had a breakthrough in therapy today. She said, I lack personal boundaries. And Jennifer goes, I could have told you that 10 years ago for free. I mean, busted out laughing because it's like, yeah, that's right. I don't have personal boundaries. So now that I have them, yeah. And I'm more aware of them. I'm like, why the fuck do you care? And. And asking what your resolution is is small talk, which I hate, even though I participate in it.

A (12:50)

Okay. I don't know if mine is so much of a habit or grievance, but it's a story that I have to share with you and the listener that on my. I'm married to a hypochondriac journey. And that hypochondriac, as everybody knows, is Josh and Pumps. I've been waiting to tell you this story since for like three or four weeks. But I Decided to wait to tell you while we were recording. And so, listener, you may have noticed, last week, Pumps did. We started the intro of an episode together, and then Pumps interviewed the guest by herself. Because while we were filming, my beloved French bulldog, Tubby, had a seizure. And so I just, like, had to scoop him up and had to introduce the guest and then just log out, and I couldn't participate anymore. So it was Tubby's second seizure. So Josh comes up to New York, like, that next day, and I have a vet in New York now, and he made a house call to come check on Tubby. And Josh had been at the gym. And he walks back in, and I'm sitting in my living room with a veterinarian and the veterinarian's assistant, Tabby, Tubby's sister Cha Cha, and myself. And the veterinarian tells me, because we ran all this test, these testing at the emergency vet. He's like, I think he needs to go see a neurologist, a pet neurologist. He needs an mri. So Josh comes in around this time, and I say, josh, Tabby has to go see a neurologist. And Josh says, kind of like me.

B (14:29)

That was not his first comment.

A (14:31)

Yes. And so I look at the. The vet, and the vet assistant look at me, and I go, he's a hypochondriac. You can just disregard him. There's nothing wrong with his brain. The mri. The mri, like the doctor told him, you're fine, Leave me alone, was basically the. The diagnosis. I'll be damned.

C (14:55)

Pups.

A (14:56)

They start. Josh goes, yeah, I get these tension headaches. To the vet, yes, he said, I get these tension headaches. And they're telling me that maybe I should take SSRIs. And I don't think I want to take those anymore because I used to take them, and now I don't take SSRIs anymore. And then the vet starts giving Josh medical advice for the hypochondria and the tension headaches. And I am sitting there like, only Josh, only a hypochondriac comes and bogarts a senior dog, Tubby, who's 10 years old, which is like 70 or 80 in dog years. He's had two seizures. And this is a very serious medical appointment that I'm focused on making sure that we get to the bottom of these seizures. And the next thing I know, the veterinarian is giving Josh medical advice. And Josh is just lapping it up. And then he glances over at me, and I have this face your pants. And I am just like, shut the up. You bogart the vet. You cannot Bogart the vet. And this goes on for, like, five or 10 minutes. And then, of course, the vet leaves, and I go, you're unbelievable. You are talking to Tubby's doctor about your imagined brain disease that you don't.

B (16:30)

Have because we know you don't have it because you've had voluntary CAT scans with and without contrast, if I'm not mistaken.

A (16:37)

He said everything. The last doctor he went to that, like, they kept hunting him down. And I think he finally got to, like, a resident. And she was like, there's nothing wrong with you. Like, I can't see you anymore. There's nothing I can do for you. Like, this is over. Like, she broke up with him. And so he's desperate, right? Just a total act of desperation. And he just comes in and hijacks Tubby's vet, who's the kindest, nicest man on the planet. But, yeah, then he starts talking to. Then they start having this whole conversation about SSRIs and all this that we've all talked about as you know, for years, ad nauseam.

B (17:18)

The tension headaches have completely. I think it's outpaced the loss of hearing. The imaginary loss of hearing.

A (17:25)

Oh, my God. Over New Year's, I was back in Oklahoma at our Oklahoma house, and I noticed where we keep all of our medications, there was a bottle of earwax removal medicine to our listeners, if there's any new listeners. Before the tension headaches, we had ear issues. Ear wax, ear blockage. Other than. I will say this to give Josh credit, other than the. The relapse with Tubby's veterinarian I don't really hear much about since the doctor fired him and said, look, I can't see you anymore. We're done. I can't do anything for you. You're completely healthy. He doesn't bring it up anymore. He will. He won't say anything around me because he knows the eye roll and the sign. He will. Like, I'll notice. We'll be sitting somewhere. And he goes like this and to the. If you're not watching, if you're listening, I have my fingers at my temples, and I'm, like, rubbing them like, I'm just in so much pain. But I just thought you would get the biggest kick out of. He's so desperate, he's seeking advice from the veterinarian.

B (18:32)

I mean, even for a hypochondriac like Josh, that is a surprise. Well, I have a story I haven't told you. And I keep forgetting to tell you, but I'm glad you brought this up. So I had a plumbing issue. It was on a Saturday. So I called and I was like, how much extra is it? They said, it's 50 bucks to come out on Saturday. I was like, okay. Well, when I got the bill, when the guy fixed it and gave me the bill, I was like, I thought you said it was 50 bucks. He was like, oh, well, I forgot to tell you. Whatever. So anyway, then he comes back to me and he goes, I saved you some money. Now, granted, we'd never talked about anything. He goes, I saved you some money. I gave you the senior discount. I was like, so you gave me the senior discount? I didn't. I didn't even ask, like, what's the age? Because at that point I was scared to know if it was like 75 or 60. I was just like, it's better not to know. But, yeah, I got involuntarily given the senior discount.

A (19:37)

I would have demanded I remove the discount. Remove the senior discount. I do not want to pay the senior discount. If you want to give me the Gen X discount, I'll take it, but I will not take the senior discount just on principle.

B (19:50)

Yeah, so that was that.

A (19:53)

All right. Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer.

B (19:56)

I'm Angie.

A (19:57)

Let's be. Let's do a little check in with Kylie.

D (20:02)

Hi.

A (20:04)

Hi. Hi.

D (20:05)

My two elderly moms.

B (20:08)

Yes. Would you have taken the senior discount, Kylie?

D (20:10)

I would have, yeah.

B (20:12)

Well, because you're 30.

A (20:13)

Yeah, I have to.

B (20:14)

Okay. So one day, Kylie and I are on the phone, we're talking about something, and. And she goes, well, she's a lot older. I mean. No, she goes, she's really old. I go, how old is she? She said 40. And then I go, fuck you, Kylie. And she goes, oh, I forgot who I was talking to.

A (20:32)

Yeah, she did a similar thing to me. She had some Zoom call with some people, and I go, what were they like? And she's. Oh, they were old. Not as old as you, but old. And I just said, you are such a cunt, Kylie. That is unbelievable. But here's the thing. I respect it. I respect the hell out of a slam like that. Yeah, I really do. Even if I'm the subject of it, it was so good. It was so well delivered. I have to admire it.

B (20:55)

Yeah.

D (20:56)

Yeah, I did that both in the same week to you guys. I don't know what was going on with me.

A (21:01)

We deserve it.

D (21:02)

You pissed me off. But yeah, I'm sorry about that.

A (21:06)

All right, Kylie, what's going on on the world Wide Web?

D (21:09)

I've got two quick reviews for you. Five stars titled Heroes for Mad Times and Tiger Prof.

A (21:16)

Writes.

D (21:17)

I'm so grateful to have stumbled upon this podcast. Jennifer and Angie bring facts in a time of propaganda. Courage in a time of cowardice and truth in a time of mendacity. They're a bright shaft of hopeful light in the darkness of the maga nightmare. Long live the queens.

A (21:37)

That is so nice. I don't know if I've ever been called a hero before, so I'm gonna.

B (21:41)

I don't know if I've ever been described as having courage.

A (21:46)

Heroes with senior citizen discounts will take it. Courageous heroes, I need it.

D (21:53)

Okay, this one is five stars titled the Grown Ups have entered the chat and they write. Time to take away grandpa's keys and put the kids to bed. The adults need to talk. And these ladies are leading the conversation. Thank you so much for bringing it day in and day out. It's so refreshing to be having the right discussions finally.

A (22:13)

Nice. I'm gonna get a big head.

D (22:15)

Okay, I've got some news stories for you today. This one is from the Guardian, and it says 5:30 is goated. Why are young Americans eating so early? The 5 o' clock dinner time could be one of 2025's most surprising comebacks as younger generations seem willing to finish meals before the sun goes down. According to data collected by the reservation app open table, 53% of Gen Z and 51% of millennials in the US are interested in snagging an early seat.

A (22:50)

I mean, this is just. Finally, everybody's catching up with the I've had it lifestyle.

B (22:56)

Yeah, it's just so much better to eat early. It's just so much better. I'm so glad. 53%. That's a big. That's a big percentage.

A (23:07)

Yeah, I. I've always eaten early, unless I'm on vacation. Then I'm a when in Rome type person, but just generally. My mother was very, like, educational about, like, how to keep your weight the way you want it. And one of the things she taught me at a really young age is eat early, eat your dinner early, and then don't snack after that. Walk it off. And don't go to bed with a, you know, a stomach that's full. And I never do that. Like, I cannot eat, eat, and then just like, sit. I always kind of have to eat and move. And so I love that the younger generation is doing that.

B (23:49)

Yeah. And I'm not scared to eat at 4:30.

A (23:51)

As you know, a Christmas miracle has taken place. So we decided to go do a live show in Atlanta on January 31st. And we were for sure, like, the ticket sales are going to be lackluster. Nobody's going to become. I'll be damned if it didn't sell out in like a couple of days. So the organizer was like, you should do another day. And I'm like, that's a pretty big. Pretty big ass. Pretty big ass for two old broads like us. Right? So we added an additional day. Ticket sales were getting about close to halfway. February 1st, center stage in Atlanta. And it is also a matinee because we are going to normalize matinees. We are going to normalize a reasonable start time. We're not going to start a show at 8 or 9pm no.

B (24:39)

It's bedtime.

A (24:40)

Wake up the next day feeling hungover, strung out. Why did I hang out with all of these radical leftists, anti fascists? We're not going to do that because we're pro matinee, we're pro democracy, we're anti maga and we're anti fascist. Come see us.

B (24:54)

It's going to be so fun. I love getting together at a live show with all the people. It's such a community.

A (25:01)

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C (27:52)

I've been loving your work lately. Loving it.

A (27:55)

I have always been such an admirer of yours and Anna, I think I've been like so obsessed with you guys for years. You know, I see your clips and you just have such conviction and you have this fuck you brand of your conviction and that just like speaks to me. It speaks to my soul. You're not trying to package it up, but welcome to I've had it. What have you had it with, Jank?

C (28:21)

Well, I've had it with a lot of things but my number one thing is corruption, money and politics and I loathe it. It's the cancer in our country and, and if we don't fix it, we're not going to fix any of our other problems.

B (28:38)

What specifically are you talking about? Like many in election, I mean obviously what Donald Trump does every day, but like specifically.

C (28:47)

Yeah. So all of our politicians, almost all of them get corporate PAC money and foreign government money and they serve them 100%. So honestly, like all of politics is a theater. We're at a play and establishment media is the director of that play. So it's all fraudulent. They have conversations about, oh, they had a debate about this or that, and then Republicans won that debate or Democrats won that debate. There's no debate, none whatsoever. There's donor money being exchanged, it's legalized bribes, and then they do exactly as their donors order them to do. So this honestly, like, it's super embarrassing to work at the New York Times or CNN as you like, continue this fraudulent coverage of oh, what did they think? What is their ideology? What are their principles? Look, I'll give you one example, but I could give you literally thousands, right? But we can't negotiate drug prices. What is that? That's like, that's the exact opposite of a free market. And whenever, you know, there's talk of socialism or whatever, everybody gets triggered and everybody goes crazy. But there it is. The biggest case of socialism, slash corporate communism, which is a hilarious term, but really what it is is corporatism, right? Where corporations capture the government. And corporatism hates capitalism. It's against free markets. It wants to capture the government so it can capture the market and kill off competition. It hates free markets. And it has done that beautifully. That's why we live under corporate rule. And so the drug companies are the biggest donors in the country. So they just totally bought our entire Congress. They said our 5 year patents are now 12 year patents for a lot of these drugs. So now we have a monopoly for seven extra years where we'll rob you blind, of course. Not you, as in the politicians. We're bribing you so you help us rob the taxpayers and then on top of that, the government, Medicare, etcetera, cannot negotiate drug prices. Whatever we tell you, you must pay. That's an insane system. That is corruption on steroids. And that really happens with almost every industry. Our government doesn't represent us at all, not 1%. It completely represents the donor class. It's a giant robbery and I can't stand it.

A (31:07)

It. Let me ask you this. What do you think when you see Chuck, who I refer to as Chuckles Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries, it To me, it feels like they're controlled opposition, that they are completely controlled by the corporations and the corrupt corruption that you just spoke about. You do not. This would be such a layup right now to at least make the argument every single day against this administration and to get a groundswell of support of people that would then harass their Republican elected officials. But that just doesn't happen. It is limp dick energy all day, every day by the Democrats and personally I was a good MSNBC Democrat for a very long time, and I kind of, you know, rah, rah, let's go along with. And it wasn't until we started really getting our ass kicked by Trump that my eyes really opened up to the corporations and how beholden all of these politicians are. And when I see Chuckles and Hakeem, I literally want to pull my hair up by the root. It is such a disproportionate response than in the reverse, like, such a small, lackluster response to what all is happening. And now I fear that they've just let him run away with it, and we're completely moving away from any form of life that we've. We've known in this country.

C (32:45)

I mean, look, this is why I love your show, because you're saying it as it is, and you're 100% right. You've got it, in my opinion. Look, I've. We've been saying this for 20 years on the Young Turks, the Democrats are paid to lose. So this is the Harlem Globetrotters versus the Washington Generals. And so the same guy is paying both of them. And if you were setting up a system where you wanted to capture our government, you wouldn't just pay one side, you'd pay both sides, and you'd pay one side to be super strong and push through extreme policies that help you, and you'd pay the other side to pretend to fight them and then go, there was nothing we could do. There was nothing we could do. That's like the favorite Democratic leadership song. They all sing it in unison in the caucus, and so there. And we've pointed out for 20 straight years on the Young Turks, and we are, like, kind of a little bit known for our predictions. And the reason I do predictions is because it's so obvious. It doesn't take a rocket scientist look at where the money is. Money will win 100% of the time. And you will see Democrats huff and puff and then surrender. Huff and puff and surrender. Huff and puff and surrender. That's their pattern, because they're literally paid to do that. So is it a conspiracy? No. It doesn't have to be. So this is what's so interesting about this. So I went to Wharton Business School. I'm a capitalist, and I believe in the wisdom of the crowd. And so I believe in supply and demand and all these things. And you could see the invisible hand of the market moving things. How does it do that? So back in the day, when Howard Dean was a strong progressive, he's not anymore. But when he was, all the money would get drained from his campaign the minute he started criticizing the establishment and wars and all the things that made the donors money. Right. Same thing happened to Bernie Sanders. The money drains out and the next thing that happens is money pours in to a super weak candidate. Okay, so John Kerry is a great example. So John Kerry is super lame and he votes for the Iraq war and he backs up what Bush is saying. So did Joe Biden, so did Hillary Clinton, and they drove us into that Iraq war. And so where did the money go? Did it go to a brave fighter like Bernie Sanders or Barbara Lee, et cetera, that stood up against the wars? No, all the money went to Hillary Clinton, John Kerry and Joe Biden, the weakest Democrats who helped the Republicans get their goals. And oh, golly gee, look, there's billions of dollars that goes into their coffers. It's not an accident. It's because the person who wants tax cuts, he's not, he doesn't need a memo, he doesn't need a conspiracy. He's just naturally going to go, well, oh, that guy talking about a wealth tax. That guy talking about raising taxes. No way. What a radical. Right. Oh, that person is saying we should keep taxes as they are and we should keep making money from oil and drug companies. Well, I have a drug company, so. Okay, I like that one. I like Kerry, I like Biden, I like Hillary. I think the reason that your guys show is so important is because, yeah, so you know, we're considered in the Bernie camp and have been for a long time. And so people pigeonhole and they go, okay. Although these days we're fight sometimes with the far left and things have gotten super confusing. But what you guys are doing is you're talking to those former Hillary and Biden voters and beginning to wake everybody up. Guys, these are not, these folks are not on our team. They've never been on our team. Our team is the American people. And Democratic voters, Democratic voters are often in direct opposition, at least our policies and our priorities to Democratic leadership. Again, I can give you a hundred examples and one last one super quick. Minimum wage. We were told that that was the easiest layup there was. And I remember talking, I co founded Justice Democrats and so I knew a lot of the Justice Democrats back in the day. And I remember talking to a couple of those congresspeople, right? And I'm like, watch out, you're going to get an ambush in the Senate. The Democrats don't want to pass minimum wage and they're like what do you mean no? Nancy Pelosi told us no, it's guaranteed. No, of course they what do you cenk this is the bare minimum. Of course we're going to pass it. Like you're not going to pass it. Corporate interests don't want it, Schumer will kill it, Biden will kill it. And that's exactly what happened. But unfortunately they never learned the lesson. These guys are not honest actors. I don't mean to just Democrats, I mean the establishment Democrats and Republicans and for whatever I say about Democrats is at least the same for Republicans but usually way more right. So like there's no hope on the Republican side at all at this point. So. Whereas I think there is hope with some right wingers and independents. So. Which is a different conversation. But bottom line is they couldn't even pass an increased minimum wages of $7.25 cuz they don't work for us. They just keep lying to us, pretending they want to do go oh golly gee. I just couldn't figure out how to pass paid family leave that's pulling at 84%. Literally every country on earth has it other than us. So they're giant liars. Let's expose them and get better Democratic leaders.

A (38:02)

I agree and you just spoke about an awakening and I think that there is a mass awakening across all demographics, all different generations, not only to corporations but also to Israel. People are waking up to that and how we have been propagandized to believe one thing and then when we get on our devices or watch the news, you're seeing something completely inhumane in that genocide. But I will say one thing. Pumps and I are from Oklahoma City and I agree with you 100% on everything about corporate Democrats and I've been very, very critical of all of them. But I would be remiss if I didn't say that there are a lot of people, really good people that live in red states and they're queer or they are somehow marginalized. And a Kamala Harris presidency or Joe Biden presidency where I'm at right now, I 100% agree with you on all of that. But it is a lifeline for them. And you spoke about John Dean and he used to have a 50 state strategy and the Democrats have completely abandoned that. And, and not that the Democrats could win in Oklahoma, but when you pull out, you let the radicals get so fucking radical that the marginalized people in those states start getting institutionalized, bullied institutionally by their government. And it piles on and it Piles on. And you have this rabid right wing electorate in these states. And so I can kind of like, I'm where I am right now. I will always vote against the corporate Dem when they're on my podcast. I call them out as viciously as I can because this is our time, this is our moment, our generations for all. This is our fight right now. But I do understand how people can have an affection for a Kamala Harris or a Joe Biden because it means a lifeline for them if you live in a red state.

C (40:11)

Yeah. So look, do I get it? Of course I voted for Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. And why did I vote for them? So, yes, cultural wars are used to divide us. Identity politics is used as a weapon and a shield. So I don't love that stuff. But at the end of the day, I was born Muslim. I'm an atheist now, but my family's Muslim. And so Republicans say, oh, well, Trump, you know, in 2016 said we should ban all Muslims from the country and now he's attacking Somalis, etc. But you should just eat it. Like, you should just say, ok, as a Muslim, you're inferior and every once in a while we should talk about banning you. Yeah, no, I'm not going to eat it. I'm not going to accept it. And what a ludicrous thing to say to someone. We hate you, but you should vote for us anyway. No, sorry, no deal. Right. And do they hate trans people? Come on. Of course they do.

D (41:06)

Of course.

C (41:07)

So they'll say, like, we should take away all their rights and make sure they can't go into any bathrooms or the military or any of this, this, etc. But homophobic or transphobic, that's outrageous, right? No, it's not outrageous. You say it all the time. And I'm looking. I'm not trying to label people. I'm not trying to get into identity politics. I'm just talking about reality. I'm just telling you what you're telling me. Right? So, like, so do I. Is that. That's part of why I'm a Democrat. Do I understand that concept? Of course. It affects me in, in a lot of ways almost more than anyone else right now. Having said that, guys, the most important thing is primaries because I didn't want to vote for Hillary Clinton or Joe Biden or Kamala Harris. In my opinion, they were going to do nothing. Okay. Yes, they were not going to be as vicious as Trump and the Republicans. Yes, they were not going to discriminate against people so they weren't going to do as much damage. But were they going to do anything positive? Almost nothing. Nothing, nothing. Because they're paid to do nothing. But once you're in a general election, you're stuck. You're stuck. What are you going to do? Vote for Trump. Right. So for God's sake, vote. Like, make sure that you're super animated about primaries. That's where you have a choice. And you will see propaganda from the establishment media minimizing the primaries. Oh, primaries. Oh, we're going to waste our good precious donor money on primaries? Oh, you're just attacking other Democrats. No, brother, they're not on my side. If you can't pass paid family leave at 84%, at a bare minimum, you are the most incompetent politician on earth and you should never get my vote, ever. That's what primaries are for. Go vote on. My honest opinion is almost all the incumbents, because they almost all take corporate PAC money just as Democrats don't. And I've got my issues with the squad these days. I think they're probably to the left of me on identity politics and stuff like that, but nevertheless, they're honest. They. As long as you're not taking that donor money and you're not hooked on corporations or foreign governments, then I'm super happy to give you a shot. Like Mamdani. Mamdani's to the left of me. He's more. Way more socialist, obviously. Right. But I want him to try. I love that he's trying for the voters. Yeah, give me free public buses. Let's see what happens. Yeah, city run grocery stores. It wouldn't have been my first idea, but let's see what happens. At least the brother's trying. Right? So, which then finally gets you back to Israel. So why? Guys, the reason why. I mean, Kamala Harris lost the election, walked a plank for Israel. 92% of her voters wanted her to speak out against what they were doing. 92%. And she said no, I don't care about my stupid voters. My donors say Israel, I say Israel. Well, all right, well, well. Now what you're saying is you'd rather lose than defy the donors. So for God's sake, let's get into the primaries and find people who are not corporate robots, who are not zombies for Israel. And honestly, like, not like they literally fund 94% of Congress. So that. And guys, 82% of Congress votes with them every single time. And that 82% on average gets $125,000 in campaign donations and the people. And honestly, I think almost everyone in mainstream media is either an idiot or totally corrupt because AIPAC will spend $100 million in the last cycle and they'll be like, no, that's not relevant. Our politicians are so honorable. They would not be moved by $100 million. Well, you don't live on this planet. I mean, you're either obviously brazenly lying to us or you're really one of the lowest IQ people in the country. Why are you on abc, CNN and New York Times? I think those reporters should be super embarrassed. Every article about politics is nonsense. The only thing, almost the only thing they should be talking about is who got paid by who. Because that will show you nearly 100% why they're voting the way that they are. And instead we got gaslighters. Right? And so media will come in and go, so if you point out correct facts about apac, you hate Jews.

A (45:28)

Yeah, right. It's such.

C (45:31)

What is this? I mean.

A (45:35)

MAGA is an incubation, an incubator for anti Semitism. The real Jew hate. Like it is just unbelievable. And they are ignore all of that. And they're laser focused on Zoran Mamdani because he's Muslim and that goes against their script. And I'll tell you, Cenk, you said that you were an atheist. And I'm an atheist as well. But I was actually raised in a secular home, raised by atheist parents in the Bible belt. So I would say in my 20s I was on YouTube a lot like watching Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, etc. And I fell prey to post 9 11, 9 11ambient Islamophobia because it was like. And I did. I mean I had for sure Islamic is Islamophobic thoughts. And from that I watched a lot of Bill Maher and that I just kind of picked that up because for me I had all these crazy Christians around me, Christian, Taliban and Oklahoma City. But then you see somebody, you know, like he has five wives. Well, that's kind of up. They, you know, do jihad. Well that's fucked up. She's wearing a burqa. Well, that's fucked up. So it was easy for me to kind of fall into that being an uber critic of all religions. All Abraham. I'm an equal opportunity critic of all religions. So for somebody who, like me, who came from a liberal household atheist, fell prey to Islamophobia. When I see somebody like Zoron at the gay pride parade, not with a pride flag but with a trans flag he's like it, I want the most marginalized flag I can. That puts a sword right through my Islamophobia. That completely. I. That makes me critically think. And I reconciled this way before Zoran ran, but it makes me think, well, wait a minute. Every religion has its crazies and, you know, there's a billion Muslims and just like I live around these Christian Taliban that are taking away all the women's rights. Islam and Muslims have their same issues, but you can also be very progressive. And so it really pisses me off how laser focused they are on him when he, in my opinion, criticism of Israel is super important, especially since they market themselves as we're the greatest democracy in the Middle East. Well, democracy by definition should be open for business 24 7, 365 to criticism, just like science, you know, criticize, inquire, inquire. So that that shit just pisses me off. And I think there's been a great awakening from Americans that are white, heteronormative, what Mag would call real Americans, like pumps and me, where we see all of these things converging that you're talking about corporate PACs. Israel getting lied to. Democrats are pussies. They don't fight for us. And there's this huge awakening and the Democratic base is clueless, absolutely clueless as to how much the Democratic establishment is clueless as to how much the base has moved, in my opinion.

C (48:48)

Yeah, 100%. So look, first of all, when we criticize Big Pharma, which Big Pharma donates on average, not in the last cycle. AIPAC was number one in the last cycle. But on an average, normal cycle, Big Pharma is much bigger donors than AIPAC is. Nobody comes and says you guys are racist against drug companies like you're, you're an anti druggist, anti pharmacist or whatever, right? When we complain about oil companies getting an outrageous $35 billion in subsidies every year, that's just a robbery. They're just robbing us. No one says you're anti oilist. Right? When you say, hey, but wait a minute. APAC is doing the same exact game as Big Pharma is. Big Oil is. The defense contractors are. We're not singling them out. We're just saying they're part of that same corrupt system. Them, they go, you hate Jews. Wait a minute. This is. No, no, no, no, no, no. Because now at this point, that's not just oops, I just accidentally did that. It feels coordinated. Okay, so now add on top of that, what Mainstream media has been doing my whole life. Honestly. Look, I know for a lot of us educated Democrats it feels like the New York Times is our bible. And like, and it feels like sacrilegious to tell you that the New York Times and CNN are giant liars, but they are. And they, and part of it is because the people that work there don't know that they're lying. They were pre selected to have the same exact mindset. Donors don't matter. Anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti Semite and their lives should be ruined. Ruined, Right? So like Elliot Abrams, a neocon extraordinaire, today going around going, now look at all of this Jew hate on the left and the right opposing Israel. Israel. Israel wants a memorandum of understanding which is going to be 20 years. We're going to lock in a guarantee for a foreign country for 20 frickin years for about $100 billion. Remember, Israel's already taken 300 billion from us, right? So when we say wait, why are we giving the oil subsidies? Nobody complains. I mean again, mainstream media totally covers it up. If you watch mainstream media, I bet no one has any idea that we give oil subsidies like that, right? But when you turn to Israel, it's a different level. Level, they go, no, if you object to paying $100 billion to a foreign government, then you hate Jews. That is ludicrous and insane lie that they do on purpose to smear people who oppose Israel. And it's disgusting. If Portugal came to us or Mongolia or Bhutan and they were like, you owe us a hundred billion dollars, otherwise you're anti Portuguese, we'd be like, have you lost much? You and yes, and fuck you. And then so when you ask, everything is a total bullshit talking point. So here they're a special ally. Wait, Canada is a special ally? Why didn't we give them $300 billion? Right? Oh, you owe us. Why do I owe you? What a weird thing to say. Why do I owe you? Well, because of the Holocaust. Wait, what?

A (52:00)

What?

C (52:00)

But wait, we rescued people from the Holocaust. We didn't do the Holocaust. Are we some weirdly like guilty about that? I don't feel guilty about that. Like imagine with like the Bosnians, we saved them from a genocide, right? And I'm super proud of that. And that's one of the things that makes me proud to be a Democrat, that Bill Clinton did that. Okay, so, okay, so we saved the Bosnians. Imagine they turn around and go, now you owe us, you owe Bosnia $300 billion. And after that you want to you have to give me a guarantee for another 100 billion. For another 20 years, we'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow your roll. We just saved you from a genocide. Why do we owe you? And that would be the most normal question on earth. But when you do it about Israel, people in mainstream media voraciously attack you while pretending to be objective. They're the least objective people. And to your point, look, growing up Muslim, I didn't quite realize it. Just in the same way that you didn't realize it, right. Growing up in Oklahoma. It turns out mainstream media has been smearing Muslims my whole life. And why were they doing that? Because are there extremists in every religion? Of course. Could you. Are there other religions that have four wives? Yes. Right. But we never talk about that. Are there religious fanatics that do violence in other religions? Are you kidding me? Look at the settlers in the West Bank. They're vicious racists and bigots. They do massive violence and they steal people's land. Because why? Because they said, oh, oh, Yahweh or God or whatever the hell told me 3,000 years ago to murder my neighbors and take their land. I mean, but we never talk about the settlers. It's anti Semitic to say that. But, brother, you've been saying it about Muslims in a way that's a 100% lie my whole life. So you're allowed to say it about Muslims, but you're not allowed to say it about anybody else? Right. So, no, I have no respect for New York Times, cnn, msnbc, all those people, people at all. Because those are the same anchors, reporters, producers that have been smearing my people my whole life and go, it's no big deal. They're just Muslims. 70,000 dead, 20,000 dead kids. No big deal. No big deal. Shut up, you Muslim. Right. So, no, I'm not going to shut up. Jake Tapper and the rest of them are cancer on this society. They're giant gaslighters who lie on behalf of Israel day in, day out. And we're all sick of it.

A (54:22)

It.

C (54:23)

And the good news is, left wing is sick of it. Right wing is sick of it. The middle wing is sick of it. The only problem is they control almost every lever of power. They have 94% of Congress and apparently 94% of mainstream media. I mean, none of the cable news anchors have called it a genocide. When everyone, all of the genocide scholars, all the human rights workers, everyone has called it a genocide. Why? Because everyone knows if you criticize Israel too much, you're going to get fired, then you're going to get smeared in the press as someone who's a racist, anti Semite, et cetera. And your life is going to be ruined by these thugs that are inside this country. Sorry, but that's just reality. So I can't take it anymore.

B (55:08)

Let me ask you a question. You see, or we see Marjorie Taylor Greene breaking from Trump, all that she's talking about how MAGA or you know, this Congress, Donald Trump, he's not America first, he's Israel first. And then she's posting her picture like APAC money, zero APAC dollars. I have people in my life, young people, that are super anti Israel, Israeli government. They're not anti Semitic, they're for Israeli people, but not the government and they hate apac. So do you think moving forward, putting your APAC donations from the people that you're for and against, that that is going to move voters? And her gripe is the Democratic establishment is completely ignoring voices about APAC donations. And so moving forward, the Israel first thing, is that going to break up the MAGA party And then secondly, are the APAC donations going to be coming to the fore as we move towards these elections?

C (56:14)

Yeah, it's only going to get to be a bigger and bigger issue. So it'll probably be huge in 26, but it'll be gigantic in 28. And so here's why, guys, so you're 100% right again. And what's happening is the Marjorie Taylor Greenes and the Tom Masseys of the world are telling the right wing guys, we set America first and we said anti war, but yet we're forced into one war after another after another for Israel. And we're told that we owe them and that 300 billion wasn't enough. 21 billion in the middle of a genocide wasn't enough. And now we owe them another hundred billion and et cetera. Well, the Republican voters are primed to hate that to begin with. Right? The only reason why they ever went along with it is because they also grew up the same way we did, watching abc, NBC, cbs, telling us that Israel is the most important thing in the world. And if you oppose Israel, you're a devil who hates Jews, etc. By the way, guys, I have Jewish family. I have like half my friends are Jewish, My co founders on the Young Turks are Jewish. Like this is insanity. Stop smearing all Jews. They're like, if you're not pro genocide, you're against Jews. No, no, no. None of my Jewish friends are for a genocide. None of them, okay, none of them are for Netanyahu, none of them are for what the Israeli government is doing. But the Israel first guys agitate and they go, no. Oh, I don't care how good you are to Jews. You have to hate the Jews if you don't like what the Israeli government is doing. No, I don't have to hate Jewish people. I don't and I never will. I'm a progressive. I'm never, ever going to distinguish between religions, nationalities, ethnicities. We're all human beings. I'm an atheist, I'm 100% secular, and I don't believe in the rationale of separating out religions, etc. But you cannot tell me that I cannot criticize a foreign government. That's insane. If I said to everyone, erdogan's taking away democracy in the, in Turkey, but that's it. You're not allowed to say it. If you say it, I'm going to say you're racist against Turks and I'm going to ruin your life. You'd be like, lunatic, right? But they do it and they all do it, and that's the gaslighting and that's what's unbearable now. So the good news is gaslighting is broken on the right wing side. So they're now having a huge clash. So for the moment being the Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, Laura Loomer crowd has begun to quiet down to America first people a tiny bit, partly because the Iran bombing didn't get out of control. And right now they love what's happening in Venezuela and they're going around bragging and thumping their chest going, you see that? Israel's right. We should invade every country that we don't like. And they were helping Iran and Hezbollah. Yeah, we got rid of them and we're macho and bald eagle and American flag and they got Trump on their side. So Levin goes out and then bear hugs him, calls him the first Jewish president. Miriam says here, I'll bribe you to run for a third term. I'll give you 250.

A (59:15)

Oh, my God.

C (59:16)

So for now, it's like America first is, my estimate is winning. They got about 60% of the Republican Party, certainly online they're like 80%, 90%. Right. But, but, but right now it's, there's no conclusion, but my guess is what's going to happen is at some point the dam's going to break and it's. So if it hasn't broken already, it's incredibly close to breaking. And then eventually almost the entire, almost all the Republican voters will be America first and not Israel first. And then they'll call them all anti Semites like they're doing to Tucker and Megyn Kelly and everyone who criticizes Israel 1% anti Semite Jew hater, etc, but that they've beaten that one trick pony to death, right? And they keep beating that dead horse or pony and they're like, oh, call everyone a Jew hater. Call everyone racist, right? And we hate it. We're loathe it. On the Democratic side it's tougher because in, because we, unfortunately our voters listen to mainstream media more, right? So they go on CNN and MSNBC and they're like, no, Kamala Harris defying 92% of her voters is great, wonderful, brave way to oppose your own voters. Right? So no, not brave, stupid and wrong. Okay, so it's, I know it'll break by 28. And then if you are voting for, if you're taking AIPAC money by 28 or any kind of Israeli lobby money, you're in a world of trouble. But we're starting now. Now we have a pledge, tyt.com nomore saying no more. If you take Israeli lobby money, we're not, we're not going to give you a vote because what you're saying is I represent a different government, not this government. Okay? So I'm going to betray you and I'm going to represent the Israelis interests instead of yours. Well then obviously you shouldn't get my vote. And the beauty of this, guys, this is so important. Primaries because that means you don't have to vote for a Republican, okay? And the Republicans don't have to vote for a Democrat. Go inside your own primary and if someone is taking AIPAC money or Israeli lobby money, vote for the other person. If someone's not taking corporate PAC money, that's your number one sign that they're gonna represent you and not others. If you don't know this, the reason, one of the reasons Marjorie Taylor Greene started actually saying, wait, maybe we should have have lower health insurance prices and lower drug prices, let alone Epstein files, Israel, etc. Is because she stopped taking corporate PAC money and foreign government money. Because once you stop, once you get yourself off of that drug, you go, oh wait, what do the voters want? Oh, the voters want us to represent them. Dur right, Like I could. I, I called up Marjorie Taylor Greene and asked her to join Ro Khanna's bill on lowering drug prices. She went and analyzed it, came back to me a week later and said, yeah, I'm In. I'm co sponsoring. We've got to get them off the crack. The crack is corporate and foreign government money. So why would you vote for someone on crack? Right, I have to jump. Not by you.

A (62:25)

Marjorie Taylor Greene is still on some crack and she's still on some iron age, crazy Christian crack. And where we live and all through the Bible Belt south, you have a combination of people that are high on capitalism and high on Jesus, and it is a cancer and it is spread through these mega churches. And I appreciate that Marjorie Taylor Greene sees some light about Israel and that she cares to protect Palestinian children, but she doesn't care to protect young LGBTQ plus American children. And she still has very offensive postings outside of her office. There are only two genders. And let me tell you something, as a woman from Oklahoma City, I have a couple of friends that have trans children. This is painful. Nobody in their right mind wakes up in rural Oklahoma and says, you know what? I want to with everybody today. I'm gonna say, I'm a different gender. I'm gonna get everybody to call me demonic. I'm gonna with the, you know, I'm gonna go play one sport and all this. It is a very painful process surrounded by the most judgmental, righteous, obnoxious, hateful Christians. White evangelicals are what I'm talking about, and it is horrific. So I appreciate part of Marjorie Taylor Greene's journey, but I don't buy all of it because I think you have to link human rights. They're all linked, universal human rights. It's why I stand up against. And I'm embarrassed about my past. Ambient Islamophobia. It shames me, but I've evolved as a person both morally and politically, and I have devalue against, you know, fighting against Islamophobia, fighting against anti Semitism, fighting against transphobia, fighting against homophobia. And if somebody says, oh, you Democrats are too into these culture wars, I would be like, you know what? You, this is a free country. If you can throw a trans person under the bus and you feel good about it, you go live somewhere else because it's not your business if somebody is trans or not. When we were growing up, we're all around the same age. How much did we say all the time? Well, it's a free country. Yeah, well, nobody says that anymore because everybody's all up in everybody's business. If we have an economic message of populism, or in your case, you know, capitalism, really free markets, not beholden by my court, you know, corporate controlling packs and Stuff, it has to be for everybody. Even somebody that might be trans, or even somebody that might be an atheist Muslim like you. We have to include it to everybody. So, Marjorie Taylor Greene, I still my radar on her. Is she still a little bit of an opportunistic twat? I have not seen a full redemption to her yet, but I'm open to her crossing over the finish line.

C (65:24)

Yeah. So let me tell you one by one. First on trans, folks like this idea that they want to do it because it's fun or something. It's absurd. Like, yeah, imagine I live in the middle of Oklahoma, and I decided I'm gonna dress like a woman. And we think that's gonna go well for me. Like, I'm doing that because there's some sort of secret advantage. No advantage is going to overcome the disadvantage that you're gonna face in Oklahoma, Kentucky, or in most places, unfortunately, of being trans. That is not a thing that you do lightly. That is a super. Like, you have to believe that in your inner being so much to. To do it, because it's such a hurdle to overcome. Right. And to me, that is the essence of freedom. So I love that we live in a country where anybody could be what they want to be, what they believe they are. If you take that away from them, them, you're taking away freedom. And so I won't stand for it. And that's why I'm actually kind of corny about being patriotic. So as I see the hundreds of problems that America has, and I battle them for a living. Right. I still love the core idea of this country, that we're all equal, that we're all free, and that we strive towards justice. And once you start saying we're all free, accept, then we're not free. Right. So accept trans people, except Muslim people, by the way. Let me come back to that for one second. I don't think I finished a thought there. What I realized at the end, just like you did, Jennifer, is that, wait a minute, this isn't just random hatred towards Muslims. It isn't like, oh, golly gee, we picked this religion out of a hat, Right? No, it was done so that we could hate Israel's enemies. And otherwise spending $8 trillion on the global war on terror wouldn't have made sense to Americans. But if you hate Muslims enough, then you'll want to attack Iraq, which at the time, the Israeli prime minister said was their number one enemy. Then you'll want to attack Iran, which Israel now says is their number one enemy, which, you know, bomb Syria, Yemen, Nigeria, Somalia, etc. And go, well, remember, it's the dirty Muslims. Muslims, Muslims, Muslims. You should hate them. Oh, golly gee, look at that. We just wiped out all of Israel's enemies for it. What a lucky break for Israel. I don't think it was a lucky break at all. Okay, And I say this to right wingers, too, because now I talk to everyone. I'm going to go talk to Tucker soon. I've talked to Patrick, Bet, David, Tim, Pool, all these guys, right? And I say to them, do you mean it when you say you're anti war? Do you mean it it. Because it's about to get tested and it's being tested right now. And when you say freedom, do you really mean it? Do you mean it for everyone when you say equality? Do you even believe in that American concept? So forcing them into these questions is really, really important. And. And so now to Marjorie Taylor Greene. So I. What's super important, guys, is that we have to stop thinking in a binary way. So does Marjorie Taylor Greene still have tons of opinions that I find to be not just wrong, but outrageous? Yes. So, for example, just today she was like, celebrating the January 6th rioters. I do not celebrate the January 6th riot, bananas. Right. So now. But unfortunately, and I think that this might have also been a trick, to be honest. Okay, they want us thinking the other side is the enemy and we cannot work with them on anything. And what I'm saying is, but wait, what if they agree with us on some issues? Should we still say, no, I don't want your vote. I don't want your support. Like, that doesn't make any sense. So, for example, I went on Patrick bet David's show, and I made a pitch for paid family leave. And then they polled their very right wing audience and 75% of them said yes. Paid family leave for moms. Give them 12 weeks off at a minimum. What are we doing? You're supposed to go back to the assembly line the day after you deliver. That's insanity. And they. And they've never heard that. Literally every developed nation has it. But forget developed nations. I think every nation on Earth, over 200, except for like three of us, including America.

A (69:44)

Oh, my God.

C (69:45)

Oh, my God. Family leave. We're the only ones who don't have it. Okay? And so when they hear that and it's against American moms, they go, go, all right, I'm on your side. Let's go get this thing passed. Take yes for an answer. You could fight him on the January 6th stuff, you could fight them on the trans stuff, the Muslim stuff, you could fight them on all of that. But take a yes vote. Right? So when they joined Ro Khanna Massie and Marjorie Taylor Greene did in demanding the release of the Epstein files, that was a huge win. A huge win. They're joining them and saying, yeah, we don't want to fund Israel anymore and we want our government to represent us. That's okay. And by the way, like, to the point we're making, the right wing is also allowed to have any opinion they want. And so as much as it frustrates us, their opinions on different minorities and different issues, et cetera, they're allowed to have those opinions. And then we debate in an honest democracy and we get to the right answer. The good news is 2/3 of Americans culturally agree with us. Right? Right. We just got to get to an honest, representative government so we could have those debates instead of letting donors run everything.

A (70:57)

I agree. I really agree with what you say, that if you can find agreement with somebody like Marjorie Taylor Greene, who I still think is an. Is an insufferable twat, for the record, but I will be willing to move the goalposts on that because we have to allow everyone to evolve politically. I know I certainly have. Thompson's evolved massively. I mean, she's deconstructed her faith. She used to be a Republican, so. And I also think in order to defeat this horrific administration, these fucking dorks, these dweebs, cosplaying, running the government, it's going to take strange bedfellows to do so. And we have to embrace our agreements and then, like you said, fight later. So I really thank you for saying that. I needed to hear that today. I think that was a really good reminder, Cenk, and I think that's really good message. And I also think it's super important that you go into the Death Star and talk, because I was living in Oklahoma City, which is a purple city. It's interesting to me. Everybody identifies as Republican, but if you pull these citizens on issue by issue, they are more progressive. But the Republican Party has done such a good job branding Republicans of what you have to vote for. And Democrats are the, quote, demon rats from Satan. But issue by issue, everybody's pretty progressive.

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C (75:14)

So had it as in like no, right? I'm getting this right? Can I say hell no.

B (75:19)

Yes.

C (75:20)

Terrible idea. Had it it.

A (75:23)

Okay. Had it or hit it. Hassan Piker.

C (75:27)

I mean he's my nephew, so I gotta say hit it. I guess.

A (75:31)

You know, he was, he always had the biggest crush on him. He was our first famous.

C (75:37)

You're not alone. He's your what?

A (75:40)

He was our first like famous fan, he found us and then he had us on his stream and my son watched him. I didn't know who son was. My son calls me and he's at Syracuse University. He's like, mom, a son piker had you on his stream. I'm like, what does that mean? Who is that? What is the twitch? What's going on? And then he sent it to me and then we ended up collaborating with him. And, and I think in my opinion, as a mother of two sons and you see the propaganda and the sexism and all of the horrible stuff online, I'm appreciative and grateful that there are the Hassan pikers because this generation spends so much time chronically online that are promoting critical thinking. And my son doesn't agree with him on everything at all, but he, it's somebody who was the ambient background of his high school and college years. So I appreciate that in Hasan.

C (76:32)

Yeah. So real quick, so Ahas started at the Young Turks. And so our philosophy is open minds, open hearts. Right. And so if you're open hearted, you're going to be on our side and. But we really need you to be open minded. And so I was, I believe in hiring hosts who have a range of opinions and I don't mind them disagreeing with me at all. And something you said there that I just wanted to pick up on, which is we don't all have to agree on everything. You don't have to agree with everything Hasan says. You don't have to agree with everything I say or you guys say. That's normal. It's abnormal to agree 100% with a preset ideology or any other human being because you came up in different circumstances, different contexts, etc. So Haas is die hard socialist and we used to have a debate show called agitprop where he would take the socialist position, I would take the capitalist position. We're both on the left, right? And we'd go at it and we still do it. We do jenksgiving at his house because since we're family, we eat Thanksgiving dinner together, obviously. And before that we'll have a huge debate. But, but, but that's beautiful that we have a tent that's wide enough that we could include all that. And, and he's telling, you know, younger people to think critically and to open up their minds and just like. And he's similar to Mamdani's policies. Right. And it's beautiful that they're trying, they care, they've got new ideas. So let's, let's discuss all of them and get to the best answer.

A (78:07)

I love that. Okay, had it or hit it? CBS News is.

C (78:12)

Oh, had it. I mean, CBS is over. I mean, it's crazy to watch cbs. So.

A (78:19)

No, I mean about Barry Weiss and David and Larry Ellison and just talk about how crazy all of that is. We talk about it quite a bit on our other podcast, but I want to get your take on that.

C (78:31)

Yeah. So look, this is again, you're sensing themes here, right? And one of the themes is establishment media drives me crazy because look at what they're hiding from you. Now, you could verify all this. You could look all this up and once you know it, you go, oh, okay, so the people, the company buying up all of these things. Paramount, TikTok, et cetera, Skydance, run by David Ellison, the son of Larry Ellison. The funding for it is coming mainly from Larry Ellison, the founder of Oracle. So who is Larry Ellison? Larry Ellison. And I didn't know this until recently. I just knew him as the founder of Oracle. But it turns out he's a massively Israel first. First radical. Okay, so now why do I say radical? Is that fair? He donated $16 million to the IDF in the middle of a genocide. That was an attaboy way to commit this mass slaughter. Let me give you $16 million in charity for a military, by the way, of a different country. So that's already ludicrous. This again. All you have to do is take out Israel, put in any other country and people go, what the fuck, Right?

A (79:41)

True.

C (79:41)

Like if in the middle of Turkey invading northern Syria and killing ethnic people or whatever it was, I'm like, way to go Turkey. And I gave them 16 million, their military, $16 million. People be like, oh, obviously he's an agent for that government. Obviously he shouldn't be trusted. You say it about, about someone supporting Israel. They're like anti Semite, like, I'm so sick of it. Right? There's such thugs. Anyway, Ellison, then we find out through drop site news is the emails that, that were leaked that they've done stories on. He goes to Marco Rubio back in 2016 when he's running against Trump. These guys were never for Trump. They were always for only one thing, which is Israel. So he goes to Marco Rubio and he tells the Israeli ambassador before he meets with Rubio, I'm going to test him to see if he's. If he'll do what Israel wants. He comes back from that meeting, writes the Israeli ambassador, another email saying, I talked to him and he will serve Israel. And so I gave him $5 million into his super PAC. So that is not registered in the over $1 million that you see on AIPAC tracker for Marco Rubio from AIPAC in the Israeli lobby because that went into a super pac, not to him directly correctly. So do you see how they are funneling millions of millions of dollars for our politicians to serve a foreign government and then whenever you criticize it, they say they're not at fault. Jake Tapper and Dana Bash will jump in and go, you're at fault for doing journalism. You should never do journalism. Journalism is anti Semitic, right? So this Larry Ellison guy who is a Zionist radical takes over CBS and brings in Bari Weiss. Bari Weiss is mainly known for being Israel first cancel culture. She came up by doing lists of professors who should be fired for accurately criticizing Israel. She doesn't do the news. She does the exact opposite of news. She buries the news. And so they go and buy Free Press and they announce and it's in the New York Post about oh, we're giving them a really good price cuz they're pro is Israel. They overpaid by nearly $100 million because she had a pro Israel position. Then they take her and put her in charge of CBS all and then what does she do? CBS Evening NEWS anchor she finds Tony Dokopil, the guy who yelled at Ta Nehisi Coates for supporting Palestinian lives. I don't know if you guys remember that interview where he was like, oh, your book. I see that you think you Palestinians are human. Oh, you sound like you hate Jews. Like what? Right? And she's like, oh, that lunatic radical. Yeah, of course. CBS Evening News new host so Israel runs CBS now. If you're going to see something on CBS News, it is likely to be a lie. It's a propaganda for a foreign government, not for us. It's totally dead.

A (82:33)

Something you said, Cenk, when you said if you removed the country of Israel and you inserted any other country in. I'm borrowing this from Mehdi Hassan who we've had on the podcast, but he says online all the time he'll post something where somebody says something about Muslims and he'll post it. He'll say now remove the word Muslim and put in Jewish. And it's, it's incredible how propagandized we are to be Islamophobic and how excused it is. And then in the inverse of that, this protection and really psychotic treatment of Israel. And I, I see why they are so laser focused on Zoran. Because he, he completely negates the argument that all Muslims are, you know, crazy. You're right. Maybe he's a socialist, maybe he wants to give people free buses, but he's not a bigot. He just absolutely is. Not that. You can call him whatever the fuck you want to call him, but he is absolutely not a bigot. Anybody who links all universal human rights, in my opinion, that's the only way to link them. Okay, let's move along. Had it or hit it. Hillary CL.

C (83:48)

Had it. Billion times over. Had it. I mean, look again, guys, when you dig in, and, and that's why I'm so proud of Drop Site News, Guardian, Intercept, or Zateo. Young Turks, All Democracy now, all these independent places, breaking points, doing a lot of real journalism. Journalism's breaking out online. And so, so like, okay, so in Hillary Clinton's case, what people might not know, because again, establishment media has been not uncovering the news, but covering up the news. Her largest donor throughout her career was Haim Saban. And Haim Saban is another pro Israel radical. And so the only reason he gives her money is to serve Israel. And that's why Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton, they've been taking that kind of money to the tune of tens of millions of dollars throughout their careers. I don't know if it's gotten into the hundreds of millions. And so again, the news will say it's anti Semitic to report that fact. Facts have a well known anti Semitic bias. So, no, it's not. If she takes money from ExxonMobil or JPMorgan Chase, it would be negligent not to talk about it. We had a giant conversation during the 2016 primary about all the money she took from the banks. But once you get to Israel, it becomes magic. Shh. You're not allowed to talk about it. So, no, she's totally bought for almost all those donor classes. And it breaks my heart to see Democratic voters thinking that they're supporting the right person. Right? And they get led along by the propaganda. Oh, yeah, yeah, Bernie, boo. He would actually represent all of your policy positions, but he's going to lose. And we did this. This is like on the Young Turks almost every day during the 2016 primary. We're like, guys, guys, look at this poll. Bernie would do five points better against Trump than Hillary would. Here's a new poll. Seven points better, three points better, 12 points better. And then we show them a clip from CNN and msnbc. And their anchors all say, Bernie is unelectable, has no chance of winning. No chance of winning. No chance of winning. Sometimes it'll be a CNN poll showing Bernie would have done better against Trump. They'll bury their own poll, they'll report it it and then in the next segment they'll be like, well obviously Bernie can't win. And I'm like so and so that is all a way to sheep herd you towards Hillary. Cuz Hillary supports the banks, supports Israel, voted for the Iraq war, et cetera. They're purposely manipulating you to get you to vote for the both the worst Democrat, the one that is least likely to do those policies and two, the one most likely to lose. Hillary never had a better chance than Bernie in 2016. Never. Not once, not in any of those polls. And on election day Bernie had a 12 point lead against Trump when Hillary lost. Yeah, they would have run an election against him, but he would have also run an election against Trump. Why? Cuz it isn't that Bernie's magical, it's that the American people want populism. They don't want you to represent the donor class. And they could feel it in their bones. Right? So we're guys to forget maga, forget our own voters for a second. We have to win over independence. They decide elections. If you're not trying to win over independence and you're just preaching to the choir, it's self indulgent, like I love you and everybody can do everything that they want. I'm just saying generically to the other hosts, audience, etc. Right. It's a free country. But if you want to win and you care about that, that you've got to win over the independents that are enormously populist, they don't want corrupt politicians, they want people representing the average American. And that is super fair.

A (87:32)

The person you described that you were trying to reach in 2016 on the Young Turks that was watching CNN, watching MSNBC and didn't think Bernie could win and voted for Hillary. And that is me. I even hosted a fundraiser for her and the special guest was Bill Clinton. And I had a Hillary sign in my yard. I'm with her, with H and arrow. My oldest son was like, mom, you're so conservative, I can't believe you're not supporting Bernie. And I was like not conservative. I'm a liberal, Dylan. I am a liberal Democrat. I've never voted for a Republican. And he was 100% right. And you are 100% right. And I was, I share this with you because I want to share it with our audience because I do believe there is A great awakening. An awakening to the dealings of Israel that is harmful to us and actually harmful to Jews worldwide. A great awakening to corporations corrupting our government, getting our money, subsidizing their shitty wages to their employees. And then they have to get on, you know, services and shitty health care and all of these things. And I think there's a great awakening to all of this. And, and I understand that my vote now for Hillary Clinton was me falling prey to corporate propaganda. My heart was in the right place. I was a liberal, one of the few in Oklahoma City, and I was brave enough to put a sign for a Democrat in my yard, which were few and far between. But I didn't go far enough. And I have now. And I think that in your conversation, cenk that we need to be open. If we agree with somebody who's an insufferable twat like Marjorie Taylor Greene, if we agree with her on three or four things, embrace those agreements. And when we're wrong, or if somebody you know is wrong, but they've evolved, don't keep going nanny, nanny, boo boo. Five years ago you said this. And those two things are kind of linked in getting us through this because we have to get over. I agree with you. We have to get over MAGA stuff, which occupies a lot of real estate in my brain, admittedly, but we have to also get over all of the, this corporate bullshit stuff. We have pumps and I have five kids between us. She has three, I have two. And I want them to grow up in a, in, in a, in a great country that they can be proud of. Which brings me to my last. Had it or hit it, Jank. Had it or hit it. The United States of America.

C (90:05)

Oh, no. Hit it. So look, the. We're immigrants. So I came to the country when I was eight. I didn't speak any English. I was born in Istanbul. And I have an interesting perspective because I lived outside the country. And so we came here because of the idea of America. Like if we thought America was about white people or Christians or anything along those lines, we wouldn't have come because then we're not white. Welcome. Right? But what's awesome about America is it says no, you're all welcome. Right? That's supposed to be the, the driving message of America and the idea of America. And now it doesn't mean for my right wing friends, okay. It doesn't mean that we have open more borders and we let everybody in. Right? No, of course. Every country has to have a process, right? And we have to make a Joint decision. How many people are we going to let in? How many people are we not going to let in? It's etc. Northern Europe actually does this a lot. They're very liberal, described by some as socialists, etc. Great social safety net. But a lot of them are. Don't allow a lot of immigrants in. Right, So I get it. Different countries set the different parameters and et cetera. But overall, we came for the idea of America, which is we're all equal, we're all free and we seek truth and justice.

B (91:30)

So.

C (91:32)

And some people go, yeah, but Cenk, we don't really do that. I mean, look at what we're doing in Venezuela. Look at what we did in Iraq. Look at all the coups. Look at all this. Look at all the corruption you talk about nonstop on Young Turks. Right? I know, guys, but it's great to have those principles and ideas out there to strive for, right? And it allows us to come back and say, wait, did you mean equality or did you not when they're attacking trans people or anyone else. Right? So I love that idea and I'm here for it. And I'm super corny about it. I'm like very, very patriotic about it. And so. And what's. And the Constitution, you're supposed to amend it. It's such a beautiful document. It says you should do revolutions every generation. It just should be a political one. How you do a revolution is not through pitchforks or violence or any of that. You do a revolution through the Constitution. Every amendment is a revolution. And so what we need now more than anything else to get America back to its ideals is an amendment to get money out of politics. Because if we don't get the money out, no matter what the issue is, they're just going to go back and do whatever the hell they want. And Jennifer, I had the same kind of experience that you did, but in a little different way, because. So you were, you know, know, programmed to believe Hillary was the answer, etc. Etc. When we came to this country, we were programmed by mainstream media. And one of the reasons why I, as you can tell, I can't stand them, right, is because they brainwashed us into thinking that Reagan was a cowboy and got us to believe Shining City on a hill, Morning in America, because they never said he wasn't a cowboy. I wrote this book, justice is Coming. Chapter five is called the Matrix and it's about mainstream media. And I give example after example. Msnbc, Chris Matthews would talk about how George Bush landed on the aircraft carrier on the day of mission accomplished. And he was like a pilot and he was such a manly guy. And Fred Thompson would dress up as a guy in his pickup truck. He would drive a limo to a be up old pickup truck. And then after he was done with the photo op, he would drive back in the limo. And the press didn't report the limo. And Chris Matthews was like, fred Thompson smells of Aqua Velva like a leathery man that women love. I'm like, what would you know about what women love? So we've been hearing this crap. And by the way, I mean, he completed the whole YMCA thing. He was like, and Rudy Giuliani up on the bean. I'm like, wait, you're supposed to be the Democrat on msnbc. You're telling me that you like nearly sexually fantasize about all these Republican senators and politicians? President, Right. We were sold a bill of goods. They didn't care too much if you voted corporate Republican or corporate Democrat, but corporate media cared a lot that you voted for corporate politicians and not someone who's going to represent you. And so, so it's okay though. Open minds. Open minds. If Jennifer and I didn't have open minds, we wouldn't be where we are today. Right. And so it's so important to have that open mind. Go reach out to a fellow Democrat, to a fellow citizen, no matter who they voted for. And you might be surprised at the number of agreements. Last thing on that is we do a thing called populous plank on TYT. It's populousplank.com is how you could find it. And there's six different issues and they're all core Democratic policy issues. And almost every independent agrees with them. And a giant chunk of MAGA guys also agree with them. So what are these magical policies? Anti war, anti corruption, getting money out of politics, paid family leave, higher minimum wage, hence higher wages for everybody. Everyone negotiate drug prices and don't let private equity buy residential real estate. They're going to steal all our homes and they're going to turn us into renters. Okay, and when I tell those six policies again, core Democratic policies, almost every time, on almost every one of those issues, even right wing voters go, hell yeah, that's exactly right. In fact, I'll end on a shocking story. How did I wind up in going to all these right wing shows in the first place?

A (95:56)

Place?

C (95:56)

Well, we were at the RNC in 2024 and Charlie Kirk comes by and says, hey, do you mind if I sit down and do an interview with you guys? And we're like, that's already surprising, right? But we're like, sure, we're the young turks. We're open minded. We'll have a conversation with anyone. Charlie sits down. We still disagree on a whole bunch of stuff. I mean, you know, and they lionized him and made him a hero, etc. But I see the full picture and I know that before he died, he was talking about how Islam is the enemy, right. And how Mamdani was going to take over New York for Muslims, et cetera. On the other hand, we get into that conversation and he's, I mentioned the private equity thing of buying the residential real estate. And he goes, you're right. We shouldn't let Wall street buy residential real estate. And I was like, I had never seen a Republican say that before because in my experience, they were all trained by Fox News and Rush Limbaugh with corporate talking points. But here was populism breaking out on the right wing. And populism in the right wing in some ways could be dangerous on some of these identity issues. But populism on the right wing at least gets as one giant upside. It's past corporate talking points. It's past supporting corporations because Rupert Murdoch and Rush Limbaugh told you to, right? So there was Charlie Kirk going, goddamn right, do not let them buy our home homes. Because if we do, it's not going to matter if you're right wing or left wing. We're all going to be indentured servants to corporations. And so the fact that that's even breaking out on the right wing is a miracle, and it's wonderful. So let's take that win. We'll fight them on all of the other issues. And super last thing that ties all of this together, it's a free country. So I could fight Marjorie Taylor Greene 100% on her opinions on January 6, or trans people or any of that, and we could have a vicious fight over it and turn around and go, yeah, we should take money out of politics. Not that complicated, right?

A (97:53)

Yeah, I just, I, I can't thank you enough for coming on. It's. It's very cool and kind of surreal to have you on. And please tell Anna I'm so obsessed with her, I think she's a badass. Love her. We'd love to have her on the podcast as well. Thank you for all of your insights. I needed this. This. I felt like there was part political conversation and a little bit of therapy that I needed to remind myself of the commonalities that we can have and that those are important because I can be such a feisty twat sometimes, just like impulsive. I know that comes a surprise and I needed to hear that. I need that. That was really good to hear. So thank you so much, Jake.

C (98:33)

Can I give you just some love back first? I love you guys. So I think you're doing incredible work and I think what you're doing is so important because. So Young Turks is the oldest show in online history. We've been going for over 20 years online. We're the first YouTube partner channel. So I'm the original YouTuber. And the reason I bring that up is because we've been standing a post for over 20 years waiting for the cavalry. And you're the cavalry. So when I see you saying the things that are correct and, and waking your audience up to the reality, oh, my God, I've been waiting for it for decades. So thank you so much for doing what you do well.

A (99:18)

Thank you for lighting the fire.

B (99:20)

Yeah.

A (99:20)

Because it, it's. I mean, it's just. It's really important. The work that we're all doing is important. And you, you laid the psychological groundwork for us to be able to jump on where we are and evolve in the way that we have. And I think everybody right now needs an off ramp to whatever echo chamber they're in so that we can have conversations like this to make a better, safer, cooler country for ourselves.

C (99:49)

Absolutely.

A (99:51)

Pumps. Do you have anything to say to Jen?

B (99:54)

No, I'm just sitting here.

A (99:55)

I'm.

B (99:55)

I'm really. I'm trying to process a lot of what we talked about because I think it's super important and it's. It's a great perspective to have because I myself, having evolved so much politically and personally, making space for someone to do that, it's. It. I'm a hypocrite if I don't do that is basically what I'm sitting here thinking about.

A (100:18)

If we're going to be better.

B (100:19)

Better, we're getting better, we're going to.

A (100:24)

Be better at least for the remainder of today.

C (100:28)

Aren't we all trying to do that? Right? So, you know, again, I also love the theme of this, this show, right? Like, and it's not just about politics, like you guys asked me, you know, what have I had it with, right? And one of the things that I put on my list that wasn't political at all is our definition of success, right? And people are obsessed with money and status and fame and all these things. Right? But does that actually get you to happiness? Like the point is supposed to be, okay, I'm going to get rich or I'm going to get this, and then I'm going to get to happiness. Right? Okay. 1. I've interviewed almost everyone that's reached those heights, right? People like Ray Dalio, one of the richest men in the world. Norman Lear, one of the most successful people in entertainment history. And. And it goes on and on. And every time I ask him the same question, at the end, you wake up happy because you killed it. Like, your whole life is legendary, right? And none of them say, yes, it didn't work. So my answer is, go straight to happiness. Okay? So, and. And joy is an act of defiance. But in order to get there, you have to be on the same road we are politically, which is open mind. Because if you were taught success as well, success is status, you're not going to get off that track, Right? But if you're taught, no, wait a minute, success is whatever makes you most satisfied, you most fulfilled, you living the best life you can, getting the most out of life, then you'll be on a different track. And the way you got there, onto the correct track track is that you kept an open mind. If we don't learn from our mistakes, we're wasting all those gifts that life gave us. Every mistake is a gift because it lets you learn from it, grow and become a better person. And I think all three of us have done that politically in different ways. And I think it's a beautiful thing to teach our audiences.

A (102:27)

I do, too. Cenk, thank you so much.

C (102:30)

Thank you guys again. I can't appreciate you enough. You're awesome.

A (102:35)

All right, thank you. We'll see you soon. Okay. I feel like I had a therapy session. Did you too?

B (102:41)

And I. He's really smart, but he's very. He's a great communicator.

A (102:45)

He's a really good communicator. And I feel like he. I feel like he's very, you know, he's a seasoned veteran at this, and he hits so many good points. And as you're. As you're processing what he's saying, my brain will go one place and it's like kind of intuitively no. And stamps that out in the conversation or resolves it. I think he's very good. And I also. I think it's pretty cool that he's. He and Hassan both so passionate about all of this stuff. A little bit different political ideologies, but I think that's very cool.

B (103:15)

Yeah. And I'm sitting here thinking, does Elon Musk. Wake up. Happy. That's the most miserable.

A (103:19)

No, he doesn't. Ever.

B (103:21)

On the planet. I mean, can you imagine being the richest man on earth and that.

D (103:25)

Miserable.

C (103:26)

Miserable. All right.

A (103:28)

Yeah. He needs to go to rehab. All right. That's all we have. I think I was just so happy to have Jay. It was a super long episode, but I thought everything he said was so helpful. And pumps. Tell them when we'll see them.

B (103:41)

We'll see you next Tuesday and Thursday. I'll tell you what I've had it with.

A (103:48)

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B (104:12)

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A (104:18)

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B (104:32)

That's.

A (104:32)

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