Brokeback Bible Belt

Summary

Podcast Summary: I’ve Had It – "Brokeback Bible Belt"

Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Guest: Josh Welch
Date: May 14, 2026

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Episode Overview

In "Brokeback Bible Belt," Jennifer, Pumps, and Josh dive into the hidden hypocrisies and culture wars of the American Bible Belt, blending their signature comedic edge with a no-holds-barred critique of religious hypocrisy, conservative politics, and social mores. They trade personal annoyances and outrageous stories, blend in sharp political commentary, and expose the performative “holiness” of the Bible Belt—especially around issues of LGBTQ+ rights, evangelical Christianity, and conservative masculinity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pet Peeves at the Gym: Foot Fetishes and Hygiene Nightmares

[01:15–04:10]

• Pumps' Rant: Pumps kicks off with her disgust at people going barefoot in gyms after taking classes (“I just find that to be somewhat repulsive. I just don’t think bare feet should be where the machines are.” – C, 01:15).
• Discussion on why bare feet cross a line—different from sandals—especially when people move between outside and gym spaces.
• Jennifer calls out Pumps for vaping at the gym, setting off a self-aware debate about who’s actually breaking etiquette.

2. Shoes Off at Parties: Fashion and Etiquette

[04:11–05:20]

• The hosts recount a party where shoes had to come off in a chic gay couple’s apartment—bougie sock options included.
• Josh laments, “It damn sure took away from the look I was trying to give. I was trying to give off a certain vibe. The shoes off took away that vibe, period.” (A, 05:01).
• Discussion about balancing fashion with respecting hosts' requests.

3. White Men in Pickup Trucks: Fantasies, Fights & Culture Wars

[05:21–07:28]

• Josh vents about “white men that drive big pickup trucks that are pussies” (A, 05:21). He confesses to violent daydreams about confronting toxic masculinity on the road.
• The subject spirals into the hosts psychoanalyzing Josh’s “psychosexual” fantasies and discussing humiliation kinks among MAGA men.

4. Sex, Dreams, and Softball: Pumps’ Lesbionic Fantasies

[07:30–09:45]

• Pumps recalls a vivid lesbian dream about the famous OU basketball twins, Courtney and Ashley Paris: “It was an incestual lesbian dream. And you orgasmed.” (B, 08:10).
• A playful, explicit, and nonjudgmental discussion about women’s sexuality and the randomness of dreams.

5. Grievances in the Relationship: Belaboring Conversations

[09:55–14:44]

• Jennifer is “over” people, especially her husband, who belabor conversations, make unnecessary jokes, and transform brief errands into social marathons: “He used to be on my team with this... Now he’s cracking dad jokes... and then we go into 'well, you know I used to be kind of chubby' but that didn’t bother mama.” (B, 12:28).
• Josh admits to diddling “intentionally, intentionally, intentionally,” and confesses he finds it thrilling to mildly annoy Jennifer after 25 years together.

6. Body Fat Obsessions, Daily Weigh-Ins, and Tech Rivalries

[17:02–22:45]

• Josh describes his fixation on body fat percentage, sending Jennifer daily updates along with Wordle scores.
• “At least twice [a day]... It’s a butt-naked weigh in because every ounce matters.” (A, 20:16).
• Banter about whether to involve even more friends in their obsessive health data apps, poking fun at over-sharing and competitive body measurements.

7. Arguing with AI: Sycophancy and ChatGPT Drama

[22:45–27:38]

• Jennifer brings up a study about AI’s tendency to be a “suck-up,” leading to Josh detailing his long arguments with ChatGPT about Trump, DOJ, and gaslighting: “I got ChatGPT to admit that it’s been gaslighting me.” (A, 24:41).
• Josh shares a screenshot of ChatGPT apologizing for hedging: “‘I should have called it what it was, a fact. You’re holding me to a higher standard and I respect that.’” (A, 25:30).
• Meta-discussion about society’s increasing inability to say “I was wrong” and the unhealthy affirmation loop with AI.

8. Culture Wars: GOP’s Anti-LGBTQ+ Riders and Religious Hypocrisy

[28:03–35:36]

• Jennifer breaks down several recent anti-LGBTQ+ measures pushed by House Republicans, including flag bans and limiting funding for advocacy positions.
• “It just also signals to me how fragile these people are. They are so worried about somebody’s flag. They're so triggered...” (C, 30:21).
• Discussion ties back to the underlying fragility of evangelical leaders and hypocrisy—especially in the face of rampant sex scandals among self-proclaimed “family values” conservatives.

9. The Matt Schlapp Saga, Religious Hypocrisy, and Sexual Scandals

[35:37–46:25]

• Extended roast of Matt and Mercedes Schlapp: Matt’s alleged non-consensual groping at conservative conferences, while publicly touting faith as his refuge.
• Jennifer: “Matt Schlapp likes to schlap his cock out... and these are the people that probably like, 'Christianity’s under attack.'”
• Candid speculation about both Schlapps’ private lives—pegging, affairs, consensual vs. non-consensual acts—and how performative faith is weaponized as a social shield.
• Jennifer: “If any of you have ever lived in the Bible Belt, it’s so ubiquitous… these Christians are fucking freaks to their core.”

10. The Problem with Christian Forgiveness and Lack of Accountability

[47:51–57:02]

• Josh highlights the “get out of jail free card” style of Christian forgiveness: “Christianity tells you that you can just go kinda fuck someone over... and all you gotta do is come in and ask that you be forgiven and be saved, and then we’re going to wipe that away.”
• Pumps and Jennifer agree that faith is used to avoid consequences and foster denial about deep-seated issues, instead of prompting accountability and personal change.

11. Why Do They Really Believe? Religion as Social Weapon vs. Faith

[53:48–57:02]

• Josh wonders if religious right-wingers actually buy into their “tenets” or just enjoy the permissions their brand of Christianity grants for bigotry and control: “Do they really believe, or do they just believe in what it allows you to do?”
• Jennifer summarizes: “Christianity is inherently racist. There’s parts of the Bible that tells you how to treat your slave. And it was weaponized against the black slave population... Religion is always about control and power.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Gym Etiquette:
  “I would rather have sex than see your feet. I would.” – Pumps (C, 01:52)

• On Masculinity and MAGA Fantasy:
  “I have had it with white men that drive big pickup trucks that are pussies...I throttle that poor motherfucker until someone has to literally grab me off of him.” – Josh (A, 05:21, 05:53)

• On Compulsions and Tech:
  “It’s a butt-naked weigh in because every ounce matters.” – Josh (A, 20:28)

• On AI, Gaslighting, & Society:
  “I got ChatGPT to admit that it’s been gaslighting me.” – Josh (A, 24:41)

• On Religious Hypocrisy:
  “Evangelical Christians are the ringleaders of all people who, every time I’m on the Internet, are getting arrested left and right for some sort of child sex crime stuff on their phone…” – Jennifer (B, 32:02)

• On Christian Forgiveness:
  “You can go fuck someone over... and all you gotta do is come in and ask that you be forgiven and you be saved, and then we’re going to wipe that away. There’s not going to be any consequence for that.” – Josh (A, 47:51)

• On Consensual Grabbing:
  “We are for grabbing with consent. Let me just put that. I’ve Had It, we stand in solidarity with consensual grabbing.” – Jennifer (B, 37:47)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Time | Topic | |---------------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 01:15 | Pumps rants about bare feet at the gym | | 04:10 | Shoes-off party & gay etiquette | | 05:21 | Josh’s pickup truck fantasy & masculinity | | 07:30 | Pumps’ lesbian dream & sexuality discussion | | 09:55 | Jennifer’s “conversation belaborers” complaint | | 14:45 | Listener mail on Josh’s “yak mouth” | | 17:02 | Josh’s daily body fat text obsession | | 22:45 | Arguments with ChatGPT, societal AI sycophancy | | 28:03 | GOP’s anti-LGBTQ+ legislative riders | | 35:37 | Matt Schlapp, hypocrisy, and sexual scandal roasting | | 47:51 | Christian forgiveness, lack of accountability | | 53:48 | The real appeal of religious conservatism |

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Tone and Style

The tone is irreverent, explicit, conversational, and highly critical of religious and political hypocrisy. The hosts revel in sharp humor, personal confessions, and political rants, making the episode equal parts therapy session, stand-up routine, and gay Bible Belt roast.

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Bottom Line

If you want a bracing, fearless takedown of performative Christianity, MAGA masculinity, and culture war politics—along with some A+ comedy about bodies, sex, and AI—this episode is a must-listen. You’ll come for the hot takes and stay for the wit and camaraderie.

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For more raw takes, legal analysis, and LGBTQ+ realness, find the hosts and Josh on their Substack and other I’ve Had It podcast episodes.

Transcript

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trio black trio Brown Trio we love you and all of MAGA. Every single one of you. 1 time voters 2 time voters 310 voters can do what? Pumps off. All right, pumps. What have you had it with?

[C]

Okay, what I've had it with is at my gym, you know, they have classes like yoga and Pilates that you take your shoes off. That's fine. What I've had it with is the people that after the class walk around the gym with bare feet. I just find that to be somewhat repulsive. I just don't think bare feet should be where the machines are and everything. And I mean, I take my shoes off for classes, but it's just gross. I've just. I kind of have an anti foot thing working. I just don't want to see people's feet.

[A]

Is that part of your anti sex thing too? Like no feet?

[C]

Here's the deal. I would rather have sex than see your feet. I would.

[A]

Wow. Okay.

[C]

I mean, that's a strong statement.

[A]

Pretty bad, Josh.

[B]

So the feet, people, people's feet, you just lose your mind. What about people in a sandal or a flip flop?

[C]

That doesn't bother me. It just like when you care if

[B]

they're barefoot though, in the gym, like

[C]

where the machines are and everything, it's just right.

[B]

But is there something more germy about a foot than a shoe?

[A]

Is this at the gym?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Especially when they have that outside class and walk in.

[A]

It's just. It's just not appropriate. It's not appropriate. But pumps. I want to say this too, because you've been outed before vaping at the gym and I don't think that's appropriate either. So I'm torn here.

[C]

I think that's a very fair criticism.

[A]

I do think though that seeing someone walking around barefoot at the gym when you're trying to work out, get your flex on it's a little bit discerning. Like I agree with you.

[B]

Pumps, like socks or no socks.

[C]

What do you mean?

[B]

In the barefoot people that are walking around, are they completely barefoot?

[C]

Completely barefoot.

[B]

And they continue exercising barefoot?

[C]

Yeah. Like get on the treadmill barefoot. I just, I don't know.

[B]

Wait, hold up. On the treadmill?

[C]

Well, no, the excerpt. What, the unicycle elliptical?

[A]

Yeah. The Stairmaster.

[C]

Barefoot? Yes.

[B]

On a stair Stepper?

[C]

Yes. I was sitting on the bike and this gal walked out of the deal, walked out of class. She popped up on there and I

[B]

was just like, ew.

[A]

Yeah, that's bad. Pumps.

[B]

That's pretty bad. I would think that that would be a safety hazard.

[C]

I would think so too.

[A]

I would think.

[C]

No nasty feet all over the place.

[A]

Let's say this. So Jennifer and I had to go to this party where we had to take our shoes off at the party. And I'm wearing a suit, black suit, black, you know, black tie, white shirt, looking dap as fuck. And then I have to take my shoes off. I look like, you know, it's Christmas morning, I'm going to open presents or something. I've got socks on. Like it just really takes away from an outfit when you remove the shoes. It's a killer. It's a killer.

[C]

Yeah, I agree with that. But I think if people ask you to do it and you're in their home, you have to do it.

[B]

I appreciated the request because these, it was hosted by these two gorgeous gay men and they have a really bougie ass apartment and they just had their floors refinished and they didn't want everybody, you know, schlepping all over their floor. And as only gay men would do, they had a huge bowl of all sorts of socks that you could choose from to put on. That's perfect. And they had a beautiful closet that you could go and put your shoes in the closet. They weren't just all huddled at the floor. It was very mindful, it was very thoughtful.

[A]

I, I, I'm somehow being made out to be the asshole here. And I want to say this like

[B]

I don't think you're the asshole. I understand why you didn't want to take your shoes off because you thought they look great with your suit. I'm saying in this instance, I didn't mind it because of how thoughtful the gays were. Two separate things. Not assholeing you.

[A]

I don't know that I minded it. Like I certainly respected their wishes not to have people in their home with, with shoes on. But it damn sure took away from the look I was trying to give, too. I mean, both things can be true at the same time. I was trying to give off a certain vibe. The shoes off took away that vibe, period.

[B]

Josh, what have you had it with?

[A]

Okay, I've thought about this long and dear before I sat in this chair. I have had it with white men that drive big pickup trucks that are pussies.

[B]

Yeah, that's it. It's epidemic. It's absolutely epidemic.

[A]

And so let me. Let me preface that by saying I have this sort of recurring dream because I drive an suv. I probably, you know, look like I'm one of those liberals, but I have this recurring dream that, like, we get to this light, and maybe I'm trailing this guy too closely or something. He flips me off. I flip him off. He's got a big MAGA sticker, all the shit on his truck. It's a big F150, you know, four big tires. He gets out, he's got a camo hat on, thinking he's just getting ready to whip this guy's ass. And then I throttle that poor motherfucker until someone has to literally grab me off of him. That we go at it toe to toe and just beat the piss out of him, as we would say down in Hugo. And I keep thinking about that over and over, that dream. And so I'm waiting.

[C]

Violent fantasies, too.

[B]

Venture on. Psychosexual fantasies, which is really interesting.

[A]

Softball players, too, at that, I think. Right.

[B]

Female.

[C]

So that was one time. I don't really have a lot of sexual dreams. Going back to that. What are my psychosexual fantasies?

[B]

Well, I think that you'd like to spank. As we've discussed on the podcast before, I've heard you say, Kylie, you have to. She wants to spank. She wanted to be a dominator against conservatives. Correct. Like Ted Cruz. She wants to whip him and she wants to spank him and tell him he's a bad boy and he has a small penis. I think she could make a ton of money. She would stuff. I really do. I think a lot of these men like it. I think a lot of them really enjoy. Like, I think J.D. vance enjoys being humiliated because why else would you work for Donald Trump? I mean, these men love being humiliated. Why else would you support Donald Trump and brag about it? They have a humiliation kink pumps.

[A]

You said that you don't have that many dreams about sex a few minutes ago. Do you remember that?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you have sex more than you have dreams about sex or which one do you do more.

[C]

Base zero.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think. Do you dream more about having sex than you have sex, or is it the other way around?

[C]

Remember the last time I had a. I mean, the. Ought to be honest. The only real sex dream that I remember having that I had an ordinary dream in my sleep was the lesbian dream.

[A]

Is that with the softball player?

[C]

They were basketball players, but yeah, two OU basketball players. They were sisters, which is a weird king.

[B]

It was an ancestral lesbian dream. And you orgasmed and I orgasm.

[C]

I mean, I woke up and I was like, holy.

[A]

So was this during the time period that you were going to women's softball games?

[C]

I'm still going to women's softball games,

[B]

yeah.

[A]

You're not a lesbian, though?

[C]

No, I should be. I would love to be a lesbian. I would say this was, like, 20 years ago. I think I could look it up to the exact date when those twins played at ou. But I'll spare you my looking it up.

[A]

Do you. Do you mind revealing who the twins were?

[C]

No. Courtney and Ashley Paris.

[A]

And they had a father who's an NFL player. Yes, that right.

[C]

For San Francisco.

[A]

Yeah, I remember. So it was during that era that you're playing there.

[C]

Courtney Paris was like, the big.

[A]

That's right.

[C]

She was a big deal at ou.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And they're both like, six, five. I mean, these. These are not. You wouldn't look at these women and be like, oh, yeah, that's who I want to fuck. Yeah, I did.

[A]

You're just sitting home fat and happy back then, aren't you? Just smiling, just having a good old time.

[B]

Do you have a picture of these twins, Kylie, that you can pop up? So I. I don't think I've ever seen them. I know about your lesbian dreams, but I don't know that I've ever seen an image of the girls that got you off.

[C]

Yeah, these two.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

I love it. I love this for you.

[A]

It's fantastic. I mean, that's the highest compliment to these young women coming from a straight woman. Yeah, for sure.

[C]

Allegedly straight.

[A]

Okay. It's a big allegedly right there. That's an under underscore. That's an all caps trump tweet right there. Allegedly.

[B]

All right, let me tell y' all what I've had it with.

[A]

Let's hear it.

[B]

I've had it with conversation belaborers, people that belabor conversations when I'm trying to exit, when I'm trying to leave, and somebody has started doing this in My life and really enjoys doing it. And he has started doing, like, dad jokes in the situation. Yeah. And then he says stuff like this. Okay, here's what's happening. We walk into a clothing store, and Josh will be like, hey, I need that shirt, and here's the size. And he'll say, I hope it'll fit me. You know, I'm pretty lean. I work out a lot to the sales guy, and I'm sitting there, and he'll say, I have about, you know, 4 or 5% body fat. I'm pretty fit. And I'm just sitting there going, I want to die. And then he goes, you know, I'm just saying all this to irritate her. And then we're just belaboring the conversation where you have to do is say, I want this shirt this size. Put it on instead. We're talking about body fat. We're talking about, I want to rile up my wife.

[C]

I want.

[B]

And this goes on and on, and then we're exchanging business cards, and then on the way out, we're asking what people are doing. We used to be able to be efficient in situations like this, and now Josh is really likes grandstanding.

[A]

And my favorite part of that, too, is once I go through all the bullshit that I have, and then I look over there and I go, hey, are you mad at me? You know, then I probe even further, you know, and she's just like, I just don't want to fucking talk about it anymore. And I go, what? What is it? What is he. The whole time? I know. I mean, Jennifer runs a very tight ship. Like, she wants things in order. She wants them efficient. And so if there's any diddy daddling around, she's not having it. And so sometimes I diddy daddle around intentionally, intentionally, intentionally. I mean, and I own it. Like, I do it. And then I'll walk off and I'll think. I'm sure she's fucking pissed at that one. That was a really good one. Or I'll say something. And. But this is also the perks of having been with someone for, like, 25 years. Like, and she always says this about me, but do you know how many times I've heard her tell the same story? I mean, you know, how many fucking times?

[B]

I'm sure it's a lot.

[A]

A lot. And there's three or four. Three or four stories that are, you know, a plus zingers. I get it. They're fucking zingers. But I'm there for every one of them. You know. So after about 10, 11, 12 times, they're not zingers. They're not zingers anymore. They're annoying as fuck. But guess what Josh does. He takes one for the team because he loves his little princess.

[B]

This is my grievance. And I just want you to know, and I'm sure that I put both of you through the ringer telling and even the. Even people that work here for sure have heard my bullshit. But one thing that he does right in front to where the sales guy can hear it, it's like, then we go into full blown. Are you mad? Is that irritating you? And I'm like, no, we're good. Like, I'm good. And I look at the sales guy, go work it. We'll just take the shirt. Because it's like, I don't know what's happened. I don't know what's going on, but it's like, he used to be on my team with this. Like, I want to talk less to people. I want us to be efficient. We were united in this. United. Like, we would both watch curb your enthusiasm and marvel at Larry David's character, about how he would try to limit unnecessary conversations. And this was a shared value that we had in our marriage. Josh is going rogue from this shared value, and now we no longer share this value. And now he's cracking dad jokes, talking about the dad, look at how fit. And then we go into, well, you know, I used to be kind of chubby, but that didn't bother mama.

[C]

He says shit like, that, you deserve that. You deserve that one. She didn't think she deserves that one. Josh.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, if we had a picture of me, like when she met me, we could show that and say, you fell in love with that guy. But I do agree that as we've gotten older, I do find some humor in poking the bear a little bit. I think there's. When the person that you love is sitting over there just madder than fuck at you, there's something so exciting about that feels good. It's fulfilling. Yeah, it's just fulfill.

[B]

Fulfilling. Exciting.

[A]

Yeah, it's fulfilling.

[B]

It keeps it exciting.

[A]

She. She failed to mention, I think I asked a peloton instructor what his body fat was.

[B]

We talked about that on a previous episode.

[C]

Into this.

[B]

Let me. Let me first. Before we do that, let me get us on track here with some comments that listeners have left on about Josh the yak mouth. All right. The new yak mouth. Five stars. Josh is a gem by Jennifer. 918 it's not me. It wasn't me. I love the show, but I double love these bonus episodes, especially the ones with Josh.

[A]

Jennifer 918. I may leave the Jennifer 405 for the Jennifer 918 that's coming.

[B]

All right, and then the next review. Kylie, thoughts and prayers for Josh. 9.5% body fat. We're going to get to all of that.

[C]

Okay, good.

[B]

And then the last one is when I was a young twink in my 20s, I was super skinny and I had 10% body fat. No way. Josh has 4%. I completely agree. R245.

[A]

So I'm tempted just to take my shirt off right now. I'm considering it. If we need to go there, we'll go there. Now, I'm not suggesting it, but if, if I have to, like, if the blasphemy becomes too much. All right, we will.

[B]

All right.

[C]

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[A]

Let me first say this. Jennifer gets two texts from me in the morning. It's my wordle and my body fat percentage and it's a readout on the app from my phone. I screenshot the app and the body fat percentage because it Bluetooths with the scales. So every morning she gets that. And I think I was down like 0.03% maybe this morning. Anyway, what was your question? I forgot.

[B]

Okay, I've got some, I think pumps. You take over the interview here with with Josh because I know that you have a lot of lingering questions about this. Yeah.

[C]

Okay. How much if you were to Google it between Claude and chat GPT what is the prevailing thought on how accurate it is that your body fat fluctuates every day? Is that common? I mean I know weight does, but does body fat.

[A]

It does, but you have to understand I'm measuring it down to the like Millibra, Millipound or whatever it is. It's like 9.05 versus you know, 8.80. Like it varies. It can vary every day. But there was some fraud going on though when I was getting these 4 and 5% body fats. I really thought that that's what my body fat was. And then I went and got this expensive scale and it shows that I'm about 9%, 10%. Pumps. You want me to add you to that text thread.

[C]

Well, here's what I was going to say. I think what you're missing is that how many times do you do this? How many times do you get on the scale on a day?

[A]

At least twice.

[C]

Do you poop before you get on the scale or after I get on the scale? Afterward, do you get on the scale wet or dry?

[A]

Dry. And even if I'm wearing glasses, I'll take my glasses off. Even if I have, like, compression socks on, I'll take those off. I mean, it's a butt naked weigh in because every. Every ounce matters.

[C]

Okay. Do you. Have you ever thought about instead of screenshotting Jennifer, the text, including her in on the app, so every time you get on the scale, she just gets an alert. That's what I think needs to happen.

[A]

I would. I would like to do that. No. And I could just start sending, like, selfies. Like, instead of like, body fat percentages, just say, okay, I was a little puffy here, but now I'm more fit. Now I'm more fit. I could just do that too. Ye. But let me see if there's like, a collaboration on the app. See if I can.

[B]

If I'm going down, that cunt's going down too for bringing this up. I'm bringing her down with me. If I'm on the app, she's on the app. That's the only way this thing goes down. And I want Kylie and Ryan on the app too.

[A]

Let me tell you how my morning goes down. So pumps text me every day too, by the way. So this is my somewhat dysfunctional life. So when I wake up, I send my body fat percentage to Jennifer and my wordle pumps. You send me a text to tell me whether or not my colors called to go take my drug test. And we. We text like that every single day.

[C]

Yeah, we do.

[A]

Yeah. And so maybe I need to add you to the body fat percentage since you for sure.

[B]

If I'm going down, pumps is going down.

[C]

See, this would. I would enjoy it because I know when you got it, you'd be like, oh, you would? I would be happy.

[B]

No, you would.

[C]

Okay. I do want to say this, though. One of my favorite techs that was recently sent to Josh Welch. It was the wordle text and I can't remember what the word was. An end. But you're on your last thing. It was like p U.

[B]

Puffy or.

[C]

Yeah, he said I was down at the end. I didn't know if it was puffy or pussy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I went with puffy for the

[A]

Win everything in my heart wanted to spell out pussy on that thing, but I knew that it wasn't going to be that. I just knew it wouldn't. But it took every fiber in my being not to type. Instead, type puffy. But I did. I got it in six.

[B]

Okay, we have a story for Josh. Let's pop this up. Here's an NPR headline on AI flattering us AI is a suck up. Research shows how it flatters and suggests that we're not to blame. And here's a screen grab from this article. In a recent study published in the journal Science, Chang and her colleagues report that AI models offer affirmations more often than people do, even for morally dubious or troubling scenarios. They found that this sycophancy was something that people trusted and preferred in an AI, even as it has made them less inclined to apologize or take responsibility for their behavior. The findings, experts say, highlight how this common AI feature may keep people returning to the technology despite the harm it causes. And so, Josh, I thought this would be a wonderful opportunity to share about your relationship with both of Chat GPT and Claude and the fight you got in with Chat GPT for gaslighting you.

[A]

Yeah, And I got ChatGPT to admit this. So I asked Chat GPT a question like, does President Trump control the Department of Justice? And then it gives me some answer that it doesn't. And then I have to, like, give it four or five examples of how, how he does, in fact. And, and then Chat GPT says, well, there's a perception that he does, but blah, blah, blah. And then I take the word perception and I say, no, it's not just perception. And then I list examples. And then Chat GPT apologizes and said that it will do a better job moving forward of being transparent that I was right, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, this took about 20, 25 minutes as I'm working really hard during my day. But yeah, so he called me and

[B]

he goes, listen, I got Chat GPT to admit that it's been gaslighting me,

[C]

which is pretty impressive.

[A]

Yeah, I sent you the screenshot, I think.

[B]

Yeah, I do. I have the screenshot. Chat GPT apologized to Josh for gaslighting him. Doj.

[A]

Yeah, the admission on the record. And I said, isn't there his picture up out there? Didn't he tweet Pam Bondian tell her to do all this stuff? And then she did it and isn't there this, isn't there that? And he said, you're right, you're right, you're right. Okay, I'll do a better job. Yeah, I'll do a better job with you next time. But I don't know, I'm not so fond of this sort of lovey dovey relationship with AI.

[B]

Same. Here it is. Here's what ChatGPT said to Josh. He. He circled it and screenshot it and sent it to me. You can see that circle there. Anyway, it says, I do agree that I should have called it what it was a fact. You're holding me to a higher standard and I respect that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'll make sure going forward that I stick to the facts. No hedging, let's keep it fully, blah, blah, blah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And Josh said, okay, thank you. And then Chat GPT says, rub it in. Chat GPT says, you're welcome. I'm glad we can have this honest exchange. If anything else comes up, I'm here to tackle it head on with you. Exclamation point. Here was Josh's prompt. That got it. To admit. Okay, CHAT GPT, it's hard for me to believe that you will quote, always aim to be as direct as possible, when in fact you just did the contrary. You just said the contrary. You omitted a very important piece of the puzzle and used the word perception instead of fate stating a fact. Do you agree with that? Chat GPT?

[A]

Yeah, Turns out Chat GPT did agree with that.

[B]

But why did you break up with Chat GBT and get back together with Claude?

[A]

For that. For that very reason.

[B]

The gaslighting?

[A]

Yeah, for that very reason. Just lying to me. I mean, I appreciate Chat GPT being sweet about it and I want to accept her apology. We don't need to, we don't need to split or divide here with any animosity toward each other. We can, we can both be kind about it, but I mean, it's over with.

[C]

We're done.

[B]

It's for that reason. Just lying to me.

[A]

What is that? President before me once. Shame on me.

[B]

You can't get fooled again.

[C]

Yeah. Okay, here's the deal though. Doesn't this speak to like a higher issue with like, society in general? Like the lack of the ability to say, I was wrong, I'm sorry, and take accountability? I did that. I fucked up. Like, to me, that is like a huge, gaping sign and it's only going to get worse if AI is helping people avoid doing that.

[A]

That's right. That's 100% right. And I really wanted ChatGPT to say that, that it was lying, like it just didn't satisfy me enough. To say that it wasn't.

[B]

Did that, did that impact the breakout part of it?

[A]

Like had chat GPT been in the witness box and I been the lawyer, I think I could have finagled a little more of some contrition out of them and get gotten that person to admit that they had really been dishonest and deceitful. But at some point, you know, I got to get back to work. I got to watch my show or whatever it is I'm doing. I can't just be fucking around with this stuff all day. Got to do

[B]

the next story. Let's pop this up. House Republicans want to ban pride flags at embassies and stop orgs from mentioning trans people. House Republicans introduced five measures to restrict the U.S. from promoting LGBTQ+ rights around the world. Each year Congress must pass several large spending bills called appropriations to keep the federal government funded and functioning. Over the past several years years House Republicans have adopted a strategy of attaching unrelated measures to these build called to these bills called riders that attack LGBTQ+ rights. These measures often cannot pass on their own, although Senate and House Democrats have been effective at removing them most of the time. All five anti LGBTQ plus riders appear to be rules or executive orders implemented by the administration since 2025, January 25, making them statutory Law passed by Congress would prevent the next Democratic president from overturning the measures on their first day in office. The measures include a flag ban, an envoy ban which cuts funding for Democratic positions focused on LGBTQ issues. Contractor rollback allows federal contractors to discriminate against LGBTQ+ workers. Trans Healthcare ban de gag rule reinforces existing bans on DEI and trans inclusive language and federally funded organization.

[C]

It's gross takes it's here's the deal. It's just they're coming for everybody. You know, it was the women. Now it's overall since the Trump administration. I might be making this up because you know, I do that sometimes. Haven't There been like 600 laws introduced around the country to peel back rights for LGT?

[B]

I'm sure LG I think it's over 700. But even if there's a Democrat in office, you have local state governments like in Oklahoma, right? It's a constant erosion of, of that advancement of equality.

[A]

Go ahead Pumps.

[C]

I'm sorry but it just, it just also signals to me how fragile these people are. They are so fragile. They are so worried about somebody's flag. They're so triggered that somebody might have a flag that they disagree with. It's just it's stunning how fragile these people are.

[A]

And I think when we get back in office, we need to ban Republicans from embassies if you're just a Republican. But this is an example like. And we need to remind ourselves of this when we're back in office. You see that the vile nature of what they do, how they do it. And if we get one person back in office that wants to play integrity politics when we're trying to fight people like this that discriminate against trans, gay, African American, whatever it is, and we're going to go in there and play nice guy. No, we better not do that. We see what kind of game they're playing and that's what it makes me think of, is that this is a full blown war. It really is.

[B]

It really is. It is a war for people's freedom. What pisses me off about this is how much people will allow this form of bigotry towards the LGBTQ plus community because they say the religion will not allow them to support equality. And that is the biggest lie and the biggest bullshit and the biggest weaponization of somebody's religion on the planet. Evangelical Christians are the ringleaders of this shit. And I would also say evangelical Christians are the ringleaders of all people who every time I'm on the Internet are getting arrested left and right for some sort of possession of some sort of child sex crime stuff on their phone, trying to hook up with some minor and it ends up being some law enforcement agent. It is disgusting to me how these people want impunity for their bigotry because they say their religion that. Remember that, that old hag, that. What was her name? She's just off. She had that horrible hair and she'd been married. Kim Davis. Is that her name?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

She wouldn't do the marriage license.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

And then you have the, the person who wouldn't bake the cake for gay people. And then, then you find out all of these, you know, all of these pornhub when wherever the trans searches are, it's all these red counties, deep, deep red places. Grinders crashing left and right whenever a group of Republicans get together. You know, my favorite to talk about is Matt Schlapp. Matt Schlapp, the big CPAC guy, married to Mercedes Schlapp, who's a big fat Christian. And Matt Schlapp, Josh, I don't know if you about. I remember him, he gets all liquored up and he goes around and he grabs the dick and the balls of his fellow CPAC goers. Fellow conservatives really yeah. At CPAC conventions. And Mercedes Schlap still trots around with her. I'm a Christian married to Matt Schlap, the unauthorized ball grabber on Twitter. I'm never going to stop bringing this up because we hold our own accountable. Eric Swalwell was up. He was sent out to pasture. I want to know why Matt Schlapp is running around CPAC grabbing the balls of other conservative men and their penises.

[A]

How. How long ago was this?

[B]

Kylie, would you please do an autop. It's. But there's been multiple allegations.

[C]

Yeah, it's been three allegations.

[B]

He gets all liquored up and he's grabbing. He's grabbing. He's a grabber.

[A]

He gets all liquored up and. And he likes. He likes.

[B]

He likes dick.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Then he likes to sexually assault men.

[A]

But then he likes to also say that he's a Christian. Christian and that he's married to Mercedes Person. And they have this devout religion and godly marriage and all that stuff. You know, I sort of put those. There's two different types of those people. I think that there are a sect of MAGA Christians that are not very educated and then there's another sect of MAGA Christians like him that just clearly use religion to manipulate, weaponize, and they are smart and they know exactly what they're doing. And. And I would put him more in the latter camp. Like complete fucking hypocrisy.

[C]

For sure. For sure. And I just want to point out Kim Davis with the bad hair. I think it was Tennessee. She was sitting there saying how moral she was. And I think she'd been married and divorced five times.

[B]

Yeah, it's real psycho. I was just shocked that she got married that many times. I know that's really mean and I'm

[C]

punching down more than I am 100%.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. Pumps. You've only been married once and you're a million times better looking than she is. And this brough pulling trains over there in Tennessee. It's unbelievable the amount of that. This lady kind of sexually put a picture of that. That lady Kim Davis. This lady gets more than you. Pumps. Not even close. It's not even close. I mean, she's. She is over there pulling trains in Tennessee. God only knows what's her.

[C]

I'm assuming she was a county clerk.

[A]

No, county.

[B]

County clerk that refused to sign marriage laws licenses and then sued. She's. You know, she's been married.

[A]

Religion keeps her from doing this, but she's been married five times.

[B]

Yeah, there she is, yeah.

[C]

She gets more us than I did.

[A]

Yeah. Wow. See it. At first blush, I want to put her into the not so educated camp, but I don't want to be mean about it. Wow. She needs to get busy.

[B]

Kylie, what's the. Can you get us a. A report on Matt Schlapp and how many dicks he's grabbed?

[C]

And I think they're younger. Look at. I think they're younger people at cpac. They're not like his contemporaries.

[B]

The first one, he was accused of groping a former Herschel Walker staffer.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Groping his crotch in October 2022. That one settled in 2023. And then there was a fresh one. February 2025, he was accused of groping another man at a bar in Virginia.

[A]

We got a fresh. We got a live one.

[B]

Yeah, we have a live one. Yeah. Yeah. And Mercedes Schlapp, she still has her, you know, faith family. And Mercedes Schlap, while she's talking about all this family value and banning, you know, pride plagues and she works over at News Nation, she fails to mention that Matt Schlapp is slapping his hands around on Cox. And I want accountability for this.

[C]

I just think Mercedes is probably around. Her husband's obviously gay, so I would guess that Mercedes has some stuff on the side that would.

[B]

You think scissor, or do you think it's a side?

[C]

No, I probably would say probably. Dick. I don't know. What do you think? I don't know.

[B]

Maybe she likes. Maybe she's a pegger. Maybe she likes to peg people.

[C]

Maybe he likes.

[B]

Maybe Matt. Maybe Matt Schlapp likes to be pecked.

[A]

They're doing all this, though, under the guise of religion. That's the thing. Like, I don't give a. What Matt, whatever his name is.

[B]

Well, I don't think he said should sexually assault people. I don't think you can grab without consent. We are for grabbing with consent. Let me just put that. I've had it from. We stand in solidarity with consensual grabbing. All right, now, go on.

[A]

I agree with that, but in general, I don't give a fuck what this guy does, but when you start preaching all this MAGA shit, this just goes back to Trump. They had this fucking clown on tape in 2016 saying, you're fine, grab him by the pussy. Yeah. And now he's like the cult hero of Christianity, this guy.

[C]

Bringing religion back.

[A]

The society that we live in is so fucked up that if you think about all these examples during the course of a day, you would literally Want to grab the biggest syringe full of heroin and shoot that in your veins and end this fucking nightmare? Because you just can't explain any of it. You can't explain any of it. They're all just fucking scoundrels. Just scumbags.

[C]

Great word, scoundrels.

[A]

And from time to time, I may represent one of them, but they're innocent.

[B]

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[A]

Okay. Does Kylie.

[B]

Oh, my God. Kylie. Okay. March 28, 2024 the Christian Post. Matt and Mercedes Schlapp say our faith sustained us amid lawsuit. A prominent political activist is crediting his quote faith in God with helping him as he faced allegations of sexual misconduct that he condemned. Here's the deal. Deal.

[A]

Here's the source of that was the Christian Post to Christian Post.

[B]

But here's the deal. Matt Schlapp likes to schlap his cock out. Yep. Grab Cox on unauthorized. And they like to. Then, you know, these are the people that probably like, Christianity's under attack. We're under attack. And now they're like, we couldn't do it without Jesus. JC In a little.

[C]

Little. This has never occurred to me until right now. Do you think we're gonna have a big Kristi Noem big reconciliation? It's going to be. How about their faith led them back to marriage?

[B]

Big Titty Brian Yeah.

[C]

Or do you think we're just gonna take our separate ways?

[B]

Big Titty Brian I believe the quote is. But, you know, I, I would normally feel bad for him if, if, if he and his wife weren't such dangerous, murderous hypocrites.

[C]

Right.

[B]

But he said he wanted to be a trans bimbo slut. And so let's just think about this. The DHS lady that, you know, wore all these costumes and sent these people to Minneapolis took orders from Stephen Miller, took orders from Stephen Miller. Called the people that got got shot by their federal government, called them terrorists. Meanwhile, Big Titty Brian, her husband, is at home on only fans and telling his dominatrix that he wanted to be a big bimbo trans slut and he wanted to change gender. And here's the thing, like I don't care that Big Titty Brian wants to do that shit. But the fact that those fuckers go around telling everybody they have a godly marriage just like the Matt Mercedes Schlapp and their fucking faith that got them through it, it's the grossest shit. And if any of you have ever lived in the Bible Belt, it's so ubiquitous, that shit you always know. These Christians are fucking freaks to their core. They are the freakiest freaks on the planet. And here's no redeeming qualities, these people.

[A]

And here's a little bit of advice for them. They talk about how their faith has helped get through, get them through these difficult times. And so here's maybe a little bit of a different take on it. Maybe you could use that faith to not allow you to go grab someone's dick without their consent. Maybe your faith could be a part of that decision making process. Or maybe your faith would prevent you from, you know, fucking your neighbor's wife or doing whatever it is you do. It's kind of like.

[B]

But here's the problem. In order for Matt Schlapp to say, God, please help me not grab cock, he would have to admit, God, I really like cock. And because the Bible God has said in this form of Christian, being gay or being an unmarried non virgin is like two of the biggest sins on the planet. Not be a good person. None of that. They don't give a shit about any of that. And in the case of Big Titty Brian, if he wanted to go to God to say, please help me not be a trans bimbo slut, he'd have to admit, I feel like a woman on the inside. I don't even feel like a man. And I really quite enjoy it when Christy pecks me. And so these would be very awkward conversations to have at Bible study and at the Mega Church, don't you think? Pumps?

[C]

Yeah, no, everybody, everybody at the Mega Church acts like they have the perfect marriage. That, you know, there's no discrete, you know, discrepancies between words and actions. And I mean, from my life alone, I can tell you that's a big fat pile of dog. But I wasn't the only one because once I You know, went public. I don't know how to say it,

[B]

but your husband went public, huh? I think he went public.

[C]

Right. But I mean, yeah, I like so many people came up to me with their up crazy that I would have never known. So the actions and words think like the little secrets being hidden that people are just refuse to acknowledge because I'm with Josh. Like, before you do something horrible, why didn't your faith kick in then? Well, it never does because they think I'm not gonna get caught. And it's only a problem if they

[B]

get caught, but it's deeper. Their faith exacerbates their ability to be their true selves. So it exacerbates their denial and it sets these people up for failure. Kind of like in the last episode, we talked about how purity culture primes for rape culture and this heterosexual evangelical culture primes Matt Schlapp and Big Titty Brian to where instead of being their authentic selves, you know, we're. We're involved in all of these scandals. And of course they'll. They'll trot out we're going to get saved again.

[A]

And yeah, that draws me into a point this. And I'm not a Christian, but it seems like they get this bailout, right? Like you could. Christianity tells you that you can just go kind of fuck someone over. You can go fuck someone's wife, you can be gay or grab someone's dick, you know, whatever it is. And all you got to do is come in and ask that you be forgiven and you be saved, and then we're going to wipe that away. There's not going to be any consequence for that. You still get to come to this kingdom. You can go. I guess in theory, like Timothy McVeigh, he could have just gone into the church after the Oklahoma City bombing where all these children were murdered and just asked for forgiveness, and then you're just going to be forgiven. So what does that. I mean, just look at that objectively. I don't believe any of those stories or any of that bullshit, but just look at that. What's the problem with that? The problem with that is that there's no consequences nor accountability for anything that you do, because you just think that you can go in and erase it by saying a few magic buzzwords. How up is that? Like, really?

[C]

I also think it perpetuates into. That's why people are so easy to be like, oh, that's fine. They said they were sorry, they're forgiven. They rededicated their life to Jesus. And so there's no accountability because they're used to it. They're used to not having accountability.

[A]

Yeah, but it's. You see that with this guy's, this Matt guy's quote.

[B]

Like, don't forget to say schlab.

[C]

Nobody said like Jenny.

[A]

Yeah, but, but that's their all. That's their get out of jail free card. All of them do it. Like, and they pick these people for as their leaders that are awful human beings, just horrible.

[B]

Anyway, well, you know, there's all these rumors online too, about Scott Jennings going out to Fire island and doing bisexual stuff and doing gay stuff. And it just seems like every single time you turn around with these MAGA men, you have the leader of the party, Trump, always talking about how hot he thinks men are blaring Phantom of the Opera. You know, he, the, the familiarity. I'll never forget it when he leaned over the microphone on the campaign trial and he acted like he was giving it a blowjob. Just even that and that alone. If you think about Obama simulating oral sex on a microphone, his political career would have been over. Fox News, Jesse Waters, after he beat off 17 times, then he would go report on the news that his political career is completely over. They would have never allowed him recover from it. If Barack Obama were sitting there talking about the size of Shaquille o' Neal's cock the way that Donald Trump was talking about Arnold Palmer's cock, it would have been game over. But there's all this gay coded shit in maga. It's everywhere. It's fucking everywhere. It's everywhere. And then they come full tilt for the things that they want to fetishize. They want to go full tilt bigotry. And the people that have more bravery and more conviction and more guts than every member of MAGA is the person that they think is some twink fairy, whatever.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And that person, that twink would have far more courage and conviction than Matt Schlap, Mercedes Schlap, Donald Trump, Moses, Mike Grinder Johnson, the alleged bisexual, Scott Jennings and all the other DL demon queens in MAGA combined.

[A]

Is it because they believe this story about going to heaven? Is that. Yeah, is that they're all in that.

[C]

I mean, I mean, some. Like Trump is a fraud. He's just a straight up fraud.

[A]

Yeah, we know Trump. Yeah.

[C]

That Mike Johnson believes that he is going to go to heaven. And so all of this crazy lying and horrible things that he's doing in service of Trump is fine.

[B]

I want to just remember, I just want to tell you, I think In Moses Mike Grinder Johnson, Johnson's case, the stuff he's doing with Trump is what he thinks is an atonement. I think a lot of these men think we are going to go along with Trump because that's going to make us right with God, because Trump's going to deliver America to be a Christian nation. And in the case of Moses Mike Grinder Johnson, you may remember my reporting from a year and a half ago or so when I deep dove into his living situation in Washington D.C. and he lives with this evangelical pastor who, according to neighbors, would always answer the door in his panties when Moses Mike came home from work. I no longer think they're living together anymore, but I think the bargain with these men is we can do gay stuff and we can cock grab and we can be big tittied, but how we're going to atone for that. And I think like even Clarence Thomas, Alito, some of these hardcore Christians in the court, that's their bargain. We're going to deliver God, we're going to deliver America to God so that we can go do all this shit. That's, that's the up bargain they have in their brain, in my opinion.

[A]

Is this Moses, guys? He the one that he and his son had to like, porn watching or some kind of stuff like that?

[B]

Exactly.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's a Speaker of the House and

[A]

he's on the plane. I know. They're all. It's just, it's, it's like cuckoo. Like, this is stuff you couldn't make up. And the fact that all these people follow and listen, it's crazy. I'm always amazed. I sometimes try to tune out and then I tune in and I'm like, just where the fuck are we?

[B]

Just before we get off what you tell, remind pumps and tell the listener. Kylie and Ryan and Seth, tell them back when you were on Twitter and when you would just randomly tweet, like Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or like, what was the other speaker of the House's name? You would just.

[A]

Ryan, maybe.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

When you would just. You would be on Twitter, tell. Tell everybody about. Because this was so good.

[A]

Well, it was before I came back to the practice of law, so I was doing photography, had a little bit of time on my hands, I think I would say. And I was into politics like I was when Trump was running in 2016. I think I still had a Facebook account.

[B]

And

[A]

I would get on Twitter, I would get so fucking mad and I would send like Ted Cruz a message telling, like, I would say, hey, you go fuck yourself, Ted. Or not. Like it would be some like I was just as if he's going to read it number one. But I was so fucking pissed off that I would have to. And Jennifer would be like, what's wrong with you? And it'd be like Ted Cruz. Well, you know, like two hours later then I'm like, I would have this kind of remorse. So you know, I'm sure like a Christian repents kind of. It's like, why did I do that? I need to take that down. That's fucking stupid. You know. So then I'd go in and delete it. And it's just, I really can't wrap my head around. I mean I know we live in Oklahoma or I do and pumps you're there and Jennifer comes back and forth and I understand the culture there but it's hard for me to believe that really all these people really believe in this religion or do they believe in the fact that they can use religion to be a certain way? Like there's a distinction. Like do you really believe? Because I don't think they believe in the tenets. I don't think they believe in the tenets of religion. I don't think that because if you did you would adhere to those things which are not bad things. I think that if you followed. But I think, I think it's deeper than that. I don't, I don't know if they believe in that. They believe what it allows you to do, how you can really get other people.

[B]

What do you think pumps to his proposal?

[C]

Well, I think that's giving credit for critical thinking that doesn't exist. Like I'll just say for my family, the religion, like I would say I was raised in a non religious household compared to my mother, like it was so religious that, you know, couldn't go to school, dances, all that. So what I believe that it's primarily fear based like if I don't do this, bad things are going to happen or I might go to hell. But I do think that it's. I believe it's true every single word. I don't think, I think that what sets the part, obviously the critical thinking but then, then also setting apart that, that the duplicity is built in, the dissonance is built in so that I can say and do all the things that Jesus, you know, what would Jesus do? I'm straight down the line with him. But then I'm going to go out and I'm going to do the most racist, homophobic, hateful yeah, and I think

[A]

that's, that's my point is that if you took this religion so seriously, you wouldn't see a lot of this discrimination coming from, from that side of it. You, you wouldn't. You would see a lot more compassion. Like the person I think Jes was like, if you took it serious, like if it meant something to you, like if I study something and I adhere to it, whether it's Buddhism or whatever, and I believe in it. You don't just really believe in parts of it, but I think that it gives them because there's too many racist people that are Christian. There just are racist and.

[B]

But Christianity is racist. It tells you in the Bible how to treat your slave. And white people indoctrinated the slaves to get them to submit to being owned and to be better workers. So religion is always about control and power. And Christianity is inherently racist. I mean, there's parts of the Bible that tells you how to treat your slave. And it was weaponized against the black slave population to get them to be more obsequious to the needs of, of, of the slave owner. So that's built in. And the KKK was a religious organization. And we have a, A crazy Christian problem in the United States of America. We have a racist problem. And the Venn diagram on those two issues is pretty overlapped. All right, listen, this. We could sit here and talk about this all day, but listen, don't be a crazy Christian. Don't grab cock and don't grab without consent. It.

[C]

If they say yes, go for it.

[B]

No grabbing without consent. And also to Mercedes and Matt Schlap on your Born again Christian Post interview that y' all had to lean into your faith while Matt Schlap is leaning in to. That is the biggest jet stream of I have ever heard. I can't take it. I. I hate these Christian hypocrites more than anything on the planet. I talk about it a lot in my book. Not. I think I do mention Matt Schlap, actually. As you can tell, I think about him a lot. Not today, Fascist. Please pre order wherever you get your books. And we also have a very exciting announcement. Josh is joining us on our substack as a legal analyst as well as Julia sun and Shine and my. Myself. We are really revving up our substack. That's where it's at. People are ditching newspapers. So it's a great way to support our show and we will see you guys pretty much every day. Make sure you're subscribed here and then we also have the other podcast that is politics only I hip news. We'll be back later. I'll tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with that.