Bullsh*t Family Values

Summary

Podcast Summary: "I've Had It" Episode - "Bullsh*t Family Values"

Podcast Information:

• Title: I've Had It
• Hosts: Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
• Episode: Bullsh*t Family Values
• Release Date: June 12, 2025
• Description: A comedic and feel-good podcast where Jennifer and Angie, along with their guests, discuss various grievances and societal issues with humor and insight.

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1. Opening Banter and Social Phrases

Timestamp 01:49 – 06:00

The episode kicks off with Jennifer and Angie engaging in their signature humorous banter, emphasizing inclusivity by playfully coining terms like "patriots gay trio" and "colorful groupings" to describe their diverse audience. They delve into the overuse of internet acronyms such as "IYKYK" (If You Know, You Know), expressing frustration over its ubiquitous presence on social media.

Notable Quotes:

• Angie: "Sometimes it's used so perfectly that it's kind of this niche thing in the world that only people that get it know."
• Diana: "It's totally annoying. Especially when it's like, you know, I'm reading a romance novel. If you know, you know, shut up."

2. Friendship and Tennis Tales

Timestamp 06:00 – 09:37

The conversation shifts to personal anecdotes, particularly revolving around Renee Stubbs, a recurring guest known for her competitive spirit in tennis. Angie shares a humorous yet relatable story about her mixed results on the tennis court and Renee's brutally honest feedback, highlighting the dynamics of their friendship.

Notable Quotes:

• Angie: "She ripped it out of my body."
• Diana: "I always get excited when you beat him because I know how hard you work."

3. Listener Reviews and Online Presence

Timestamp 10:00 – 16:12

Kylie presents listener reviews, showcasing the podcast's impact on its audience. One standout review praises the show as a "safety space" for queer individuals navigating conservative environments. The hosts celebrate the positive feedback, reinforcing the podcast's role in providing support and validation.

Notable Quotes:

• Reviewer: "Their unfiltered rants give me life validation and just enough rage to keep attending family functions without flipping a casserole dish."
• Angie: "That is such a great comment. And it's so true."

4. Political Commentary: MAGA and Red States

Timestamp 16:12 – 28:32

Jennifer and Angie delve into political discourse, critiquing the influence of MAGA supporters and the portrayal of conservative states. They discuss the disparity in living standards between blue and red states, emphasizing the negative impact of Republican policies on education, healthcare, and human rights. The conversation highlights the need for Democrats to focus on attacking detrimental Republican policies to regain support from working-class voters.

Notable Quotes:

• Angie: "These are the bottom 10, bottom 15 states in every category."
• Diana: "It's just a true window into the soul of people that are deeply, deeply morally flawed."

5. Guest Interview: Congresswoman Sarah McBride

Timestamp 32:32 – 69:27

a. Welcome and Work at Congress (32:32 – 35:37)

The hosts welcome Congresswoman Sarah McBride, discussing her warm reception in Congress despite opposition from certain provocateurs. Sarah emphasizes her commitment to serious legislative work and building bipartisan relationships.

b. Bullsh*t Family Values (35:37 – 42:43)

Sarah articulates her frustration with pop culture shaming, where women's preferences are disparaged while men's interests are celebrated. She underscores the double standards in political discourse, highlighting how emotional expressions are perceived differently based on gender and party affiliation.

Notable Quotes:

• Sarah McBride: "Can we have a sense of humor? Can we not over intellectualize every single utterance by every single person?"
• Diana: "Do you believe that people in your workplace... see a more emotional male sect than the women?"

c. Democratic vs Republican Policies (42:43 – 55:04)

The discussion shifts to the Democratic Party’s challenges in messaging and policy advocacy. Sarah advocates for bold economic policies like raising the minimum wage and implementing paid family leave. She criticizes the Republican strategy of scapegoating marginalized communities to distract from economic exploitation of working-class Americans.

Notable Quotes:

• Sarah McBride: "Republicans are screwing over working people by juggling climate, healthcare, and economic policies."
• Angie: "If Democrats are going to take money, then we say, look, it's broken."

d. Human Rights and Equality (55:04 – 63:17)

Sarah passionately speaks about the importance of fighting for human rights and equality, emphasizing that progress requires unwavering conviction. She reflects on historical struggles for emancipation, the Great Depression, and LGBTQ+ rights, drawing parallels to current challenges.

Notable Quotes:

• Sarah McBride: "We have to be fighting for everyone. We leave no one behind."
• Angie: "Your visibility and your election as the first trans Congresswoman is something that makes me so proud."

e. Personal Reflections and Closing Remarks (63:17 – 69:27)

In a heartfelt conclusion, the hosts and Sarah share personal sentiments about resilience and hope. They reaffirm their commitment to advocating for marginalized communities and combating systemic bigotry, rounding off the interview with mutual admiration and respect.

Notable Quotes:

• Sarah McBride: "The sense of inevitability that we felt 15-20 years ago... with hard work, change was inevitable."
• Angie: "What she's doing is her job. That's it."

6. Conclusion: Final Games and Farewells

Timestamp 69:27 – End

The episode wraps up with the hosts engaging in their playful "Had it or Hit it" segment, discussing various topics in a lighthearted manner. They encourage listeners to engage with their new podcast, "IHIP News," and share final humorous exchanges that encapsulate the show's blend of humor and earnest discussion.

Notable Quotes:

• Angie: "Can Democrats just be dicks sometimes? Can we."
• Diana: "Caca."

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Key Takeaways:

• Double Standards in Politics: The episode highlights how gender and party affiliations influence perceptions of behavior and policy.
• Impact of Republican Policies: Critique of Republican strategies that target marginalized communities to divert attention from economic mismanagement.
• Importance of Inclusivity and Equality: Emphasis on leaving no one behind in the fight for human rights and equality.
• Personal Resilience: Congresswoman Sarah McBride shares her journey and dedication to fostering change despite facing significant challenges.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Angie (03:00): "If you know, you know. Now, I agree. I see it a lot, but sometimes it's used so perfectly that it's kind of this niche thing..."
• Diana (04:03): "But do you think some people must?"
• Sarah McBride (35:37): "I honestly, I have had it with pop culture shaming..."
• Sarah McBride (52:10): "We have to be fighting for everyone. We leave no one behind."

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This detailed summary encapsulates the essence of the "Bullsh*t Family Values" episode, blending humor with critical discussions on societal and political issues. It highlights the hosts' camaraderie, the insightful dialogue with Congresswoman Sarah McBride, and the overarching themes of equality and resistance against systemic biases.

Transcript

[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

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[Diana]

And it's so easy to do because they suck so bad.

[Angie]

Oh my God, it's so easy to do. Their cult leader can barely speak, sounds like he has marbles in his mouth, hangs out with a crazed crazy drug addict whom he had a very public breakup with and he can't blend his makeup, right? And nobody tells him and they act like worthy assholes.

[Sarah McBride]

Right?

[Angie]

I'm just like, oh my God. Okay, pumps. What have you had it with?

[Diana]

Okay, what I've had it with is this saying that I'm seeing all over social media and it's an acronym, but I can't remember the acronym. If you know, you know that acronym.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Diana]

I'm like, if I don't know, then why do you think I would care? So why are you putting on social media like I've had it? And I feel like this was like Chloe and Chloe and Courtney take the Hamptons Allah 2009 or something. When my daughter used to watch that show, they said it all the time. So not Only is it ridiculous. It's old.

[Angie]

I just, before I dive into that, I just want you to know that the right side of your bra is showing.

[Diana]

Oh, God. See, I should put my thing on that I'm hard.

[Angie]

I just, I just wanted you to know.

[Diana]

Thank you for telling.

[Angie]

Yeah. Because you get mad at me when I don't tell you these things, but okay, so here's the thing. It's I, Y K. Y K. Is that right? I Y K, Y K. If you know, you know. Now, I agree. I see it a lot, but sometimes it's used so perfectly that it's kind of this niche thing in the world that only, you know, like, people that get it know. And so when you see it, like, if it's a curb your enthusiasm reference or if it's something that you're into and you see it used properly, it's fantastic. But in general, I would agree with you. It's like something gets sent all over the Internet, then everybody adopts it, and then it becomes completely annoying.

[Diana]

It's totally annoying. Especially when it's like, you know, I'm reading a romance novel. If you know, you know, shut up.

[Angie]

Just shut up.

[Diana]

Like, nobody cares what you're reading. Nobody cares what you're eating. Nobody care what the foam on your coffee looks like. Nobody cares.

[Angie]

But do you think some people must?

[Diana]

You have to think they do, right? Just like they screw their door dash driver, people care what your foam and your coffee looks like because people wouldn't continue to do it if they do.

[Angie]

Back to the door dash sex.

[Diana]

Well, I'm just saying.

[Angie]

Tell me we're two minutes in. Two minutes in. You know, I, I agree with, I agree with you. I've had it with if you know, you know. However, I'm certain I've used it, I'm certain of it.

[Diana]

In this last decade.

[Angie]

Yeah, for sure. I think within this last year, I do. But here's the thing, listener. If you listen to this podcast long enough, something that you do will be the subject of this very podcast. And oftentimes we just run out of shit to say we pull out shit that we do.

[Diana]

Right.

[Angie]

That we've personally had it with. So I'm certain that I have used if you know, you know, I'm certain I, I, I have a memory of typing that in to an Instagram story. So I am a part of the problem.

[Diana]

Well, here's the thing. I know for a fact I haven't done it because I couldn't come up with the acronym.

[Angie]

You're sure?

[Diana]

I'M sure I'm a virgin.

[Angie]

This is a pure grievance. It's a very rare, absolutely pure grievance. And I just want to let you know your bra is showing again. Oh, my God.

[Diana]

I'll just put my jacket on.

[Angie]

No, you can leave it off. I mean, I think at this stage, the list. The bra's out is fine.

[Diana]

What would you do if I just popped the bra? Because, you know, I don' Everybody knows this. It's a talent. I can take my bra off without lifting my shirt. I could sit here right now and take my bra off.

[Angie]

I can, too. Okay, but I'm just saying, don't you think all women can do that?

[Diana]

I'll just tell you when I figured out I could do it. I was really pleased with myself. I thought I had really discovered something. So if you tell me all women can do it without lifting their shirt, I'll be really.

[Angie]

Can you take your bra off without lifting your shirt? Yeah. You know what it is?

[Diana]

I thought it was a talent this whole time.

[Angie]

It's an iyky. It is an iykyk. That's what that is.

[Diana]

If you know, you know. Yeah. This whole. I've always thought that was a special talent on my part.

[Angie]

You know what? I give it a lie. I didn't know that that was possible.

[Diana]

It's a special trick I do.

[Angie]

It's just like balancing a hanger on your nipple.

[Diana]

That's right.

[Angie]

Okay, let me tell you what I've had it with. I have had it with our friend Renee Stubbs. And listener, you'll know Renee, she's a double dipper on I've Had It. She's been on the pod tw and she is a retired tennis pro. I think she won six or seven doubles grand slams. She coached Serena in her last US Open run. And she is an ESPN commentator and great friend of mine. And pumps. Well, she calls me the other day when I'm in the middle of my tennis lesson. I see my apple watch go off. I raised the phone because she was going in New York looking for something for me, and she was FaceTiming me to show me. I was like, hey, I'm at my tennis lesson. She's like, okay, I'll call you back. So I text her like, hey, I'm finished with my tennis lesson, and I'm still on court with Jeff. And she says, how did it go? And I said, well, Jeff beat me three times, and I beat Jeff one time. And being the heartless twat that this woman is, she says, to me. Well, you know, you really didn't beat Jeff. And what Renee Stubbs did right then and there is. She said the quiet part out loud, right? I need to believe that I beat Jeff. I need to believe that Jeff. Of course Jeff let me win. But we don't talk about that. We just don't talk about it. And she just took my victory and just with reckless disregard for my ego. All of the training that I put into that to beat him that one time, just with that hard truth and just. It sent me on a spiral pretty much for the next three days of tennis.

[Diana]

Here's the thing. I know Jeff lets you win, but I'm always so excited when you beat him.

[Angie]

Exactly. I really am.

[Diana]

Because I know how hard you work in that you have to be doing something really, really good to beat him.

[Angie]

You hear that, Renee?

[Diana]

Did you hear that? And so Renee just stole your heart is what she did.

[Angie]

She ripped it out, ripped it out of my body. And here's the thing. She's right.

[Diana]

But she didn't have to say it. Just because you're right doesn't mean you have to say it. Let. Let us have this, Renee, because I always get excited when you win.

[Angie]

I will say that yesterday something magical happened. I beat Jeff. We played to 10. Okay. We play, like, until the time is up. We play to 10, we warm up, and then we play to 10. First to 10 wins. And it's not even win by two. Yesterday, I beat Jeff nine to one.

[Diana]

Really?

[Angie]

So I can't think that all nine of those points. You're telling me all nine of those points he let me have. No, I had to earn. I would say at least four of those.

[Diana]

I was going to say four. At least. At least you won at least four. Because he was probably like, oh, I'll let her win a couple. And then he couldn't beat you. That's what I think.

[Angie]

I'll tell you what. There was a couple of clean winners down the line that he was going one way. He just.

[Kylie]

He.

[Angie]

He misread me. And he was. And I, like, broke his ankles a couple times.

[Diana]

Really?

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Diana]

That's wonderful.

[Angie]

But anyway, Renee, of course, we love you very much, and I do like a little smack talk among friends.

[Diana]

Oh, I do, too.

[Angie]

Yeah, I love that.

[Diana]

All right.

[Angie]

Welcome to. I've had it. I am a professional amateur, very average. I would say even below average tennis player. My name is Jennifer.

[Diana]

You're better than me.

[Angie]

Thank you, Angie.

[Diana]

I'm Angie HBIC and Judge Judy. Diana.

[Angie]

Oh, that's a Good one. I for.

[Diana]

See, I have so many. I have to go back to the.

[Angie]

Well, that's such a good one. Okay. Kiki.

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Angie]

The magic Lesbian.

[Kylie]

Yes. Someone called me that in public recently. A fan. And Anna, who doesn't listen to the podcast anymore, said, what the is Kiki the magic Lesbian? And I was just like, if you know, you know it is.

[Diana]

If you know, you know.

[Angie]

Iyk yk. Yeah, no, I know you know, Josh doesn't really listen to the podcast either. And I've been like, do I tell him? Like, hey, I've been talking about you behind your back a lot. About, like the hypochondria.

[Diana]

We've been talking about the earwax Sick days.

[Angie]

Oh my gosh. I have the most hilarious thing that I can send to Kylie to pop up here for our YouTube listeners. Um, Kylie, while I find it, why don't you go ahead and tell us what's going on on the Internet?

[Kylie]

Okay. I've got some reviews for you today. And up first, I've got a five star titled Blue dot in a red State. And they write, my new favorite pastime is pulling up at my small town grocery store, rolling down my windows and blaring this podcast. Keep going, ladies.

[Diana]

Go, go, go.

[Angie]

That's fantastic. I mean, that they're using us to troll. I mean, I love that.

[Diana]

I love a good troll. And very rarely do we get to be just a pure troll with no vested interest. And we're just after people in these states that we don't know them. And I love it. Have you noticed at the Thunder Games recently, a lot of people have been coming up to me saying, you're 100% right. You're 100% right. This is crazy. I've had like probably 10 each game the last two games.

[Angie]

You know, I just think that so much of the Trump support is so enhanced by algorithms and robot farms and troll farms. Now, there's no question that there's is maggot, but the online presence of the support, I think, is massively exaggerated. That's issue number one. Issue number two, people that are Trumpers, their entire identity is that cult identity. And so they're just online defending it all the time. Whereas, you know, like, I'm an anti trumper, but also an athlete, also a.

[Diana]

Tennis player extraordinaire, amateur at this point. But we're not closing any doors, right?

[Angie]

I mean, also, like, I have other things going on. Okay. I just sent Kylie a picture of Josh and me at some of the playoff games, and I want Kylie to put it up for our YouTube audience. And I'll describe for our audio listener so you don't feel left out. Do you have it? Cute couple, right? At the NBA playoffs. You see? There we are. And then look at Josh's ear. So to the people that are listening, it's a really cute selfie of my husband, the hypochondriac that I love more than anything on the planet. Josh and me at the playoff games, the NBA playoff games. And in Josh's ear is a giant cotton ball. And we all know the warfare that he's been going through in an effort to treat this ear. And the doctor hopes that he got it the way Josh wanted it. But we're going to Thunder games now with cotton balls in our ear.

[Diana]

That I. I'm totally stunned by that. That's why I busted out laughing. Not to minimize his very serious earwax concerns, but because I'm surprised he's so vain that he went with the cotton ball in his ear.

[Angie]

I will say that this was one day post op. Oh, okay. So he had the cotton ball in his ear. But we went to a game. So that was a couple of weeks ago. We went to a game recently, and it was so loud in there because our city, Oklahoma City, is known for having, like, one of the loudest crowds in the NBA. Josh went up to the people, you know, in the arena and requested some earplugs.

[Diana]

Oh, really?

[Angie]

Yeah. And he came back down and he had put an earplug in that ear. So the ear saga goes on and on. And I, you know, I don't know, like, do I say to him, like, what? Kylie says, you know, like, Ana doesn't really listen to the podcast anymore because if you live with the person that is the podcaster, you get enough, right? So you don't really have to listen to it. Like, my kids don't listen to it. Your kids don't listen to it.

[Diana]

My kids want to hear me talk less.

[Angie]

And so Josh, I mean, do I say, hey, I've been talking about you behind your back a lot on the podcast or just me? Or is it I Y K? Y K, right?

[Diana]

If you. And if you don't know, you don't know, add two Ds. But here's the thing. He can hear now, so that's good, because the whole point. Okay, so he can't hear now.

[Angie]

He's saying that the other day we were sitting on the sofa. I think what we're developing into is a little bit of selective hearing, right?

[Diana]

Which after 25 years of marriage.

[Angie]

But he always. Josh, everything's always loud. I've always noticed, like, if we're watching tv, it's up super loud. If we're in his car, the music's super loud. I think a lot of this he has damaged his own ears by not regulating the volume. But that's just my own personal theory where I'm conducting my own research group right on Facebook.

[Diana]

Absolutely.

[Angie]

But so he'll. He'll have the volume up really loud. Nobody can hear anything in the house because he has the volume up so loud with music. He'll talk to me and then I'll respond and he'll say, I can't hear you. And I'm like, I can't hear me either. Iyk yk. Okay, Kylie, what else on the Internet?

[Kylie]

I'll do one last review for you. We've got five stars titled Red State Renegade. Approved and they write. As a gay man in Alabama raised by a family with religious beliefs close to that of isis. I call it ISIS Light or Diet isis. Think less international terror, more aggressively judgmental potluck energy finding I've had it felt like spiritual liberation. Gin and pumps are the patron saints of saying what we're all thinking, but with better hair and funnier accents. Their unfiltered rants give me life validation and just enough rage to keep attending family functions without flipping a casserole dish. This podcast is my safety space in a world of camo casseroles and conservative craziness. If you're queer, questioning or just one bad takeaway from a full blown meltdown at a cracker barrel, listen to this show. The girls get it. Long live the Red State Renegades.

[Angie]

That's so awesome. That is such a great comment. And it's so true. You know, there are so many blue dots in Red state fuckery and that have found enlightenment. And you're just around just the crazy Christians and the crazy maga and it's just, I mean, it just wears me down. Doesn't it wear you down?

[Diana]

It does. It actually does. And what I love about this is, number one, do people on the east and west coast know what a casserole dish, like a casserole is? Do people outside of the south eat casserole? Okay, that's my first question. And then my second thing that I love is the diet ISIS or the ISIS Light because it says the judgmental potluck energy. And that is so true. The judgmental part, the part that I look back on and it's the most Damning.

[Angie]

But here's the part we say ISIS light. But we did an IHIP news episode where a preacher here in Oklahoma City that also works for the city of Oklahoma City, and he's a Southern Baptist preacher on the weekends, called for the execution of homosexuals on tape. It's. It's. I mean, we played the tape of this man, so it's really not that far off for Misys, because once they start getting emboldened and more emboldened, then it's not just, we can't. They can't be gay anymore. Then they escalate it to let's kill the gay. So that's why all of these people that play patty cake with maga, yet you have. You live in a city where you have minorities and members of the LGBTQ + community that have done nothing but enrich your life and add flavor, diversity, and joy to your life, and then you go vote against them. It's just. It is. To me, it is just a true window into the soul of people that are deeply, deeply morally flawed.

[Diana]

Or the lack of soul.

[Angie]

Yes.

[Diana]

The absolute lack of soul.

[Angie]

Okay, Did I.

[Kylie]

Did.

[Angie]

I welcomed. I've had it. I did that right. Okay. Did I say America's top DEI Podcast? No. Welcome to America's Top DEI Podcast. We just need to put that out there. We only have on staff here one white heterosexual male.

[Diana]

Just one.

[Angie]

Just one. That's it. And he. We even call him our DEI hire.

[Diana]

Absolutely.

[Angie]

All right, I have some news stories I would like to share with the group today. Number one, Swedish billionaire buys 400,000 acres of the Amazon jungle just to protect it. A Swedish billionaire has made headlines after purchasing 400,000 acres of the Amazon rainforest with no plans to profit, just to preserve it. So, I mean, this is something that I think we really need to start talking about. Trump Musk Bezos neutered Zuckerberg. His words, not mine. He went on Joe Rogan or wherever we went on, and he said he felt like he had been neutered, which is a really weird test. Well, nonetheless, you have an opportunity where you have been wildly successful as far as it turns to money. I don't know if they've been successful in their personal relationships or not. I don't know, because I consider that an even bigger success. But when it comes to money, they have been wildly successful. What do you do with that? If you're musk, you want to make sure you acquire more money. You want to make sure you take away food and medication from poor people. You want to wreck the earth. You want to just sit around and do drugs and deport people from a country that you're not even originally from. And then you've got this guy, you know, he's buying 400,000 acres of the Amazon jungle just to protect it. That's the kind of shit I would like to think that if I was a multi billionaire, that I'd be like, you know what? Everybody else is doing so much up. Let's do. Let's do some good stuff.

[Diana]

Absolutely. Like you look at the ex wives of all these billionaires and they're all doing good things for people. And it's just like what is in.

[Angie]

Your mind you're talking about for the listener. She's talking about Mackenzie Bezos. Yeah, the Melinda Gates. Melinda Gates. There even is a Walmart lady.

[Diana]

Abigail.

[Angie]

Wait, that's Abigail Disney at Walton. It's Walton. Christine Walton. And they are, you know, holding the line. And then who is it that owns. Oh, well, it's. It's Powell. The. The widow of Steve Jobs. Yes, yes. She owns the Atlantic. Yes.

[Diana]

Which is doing good journalism.

[Angie]

Yeah. She's not trying to silence or sway her journalist to be, you know, kowtowing to fascism, which is. Journalism should never do that. That's not journalism. It's propaganda.

[Diana]

Absolutely. But I just, I look at that and think, if I. What would you want your legacy to be? Obviously, elon Musk wants 7,000 children or whatever it is. So he's thinking in terms of legacy. And I think in his drug addled brain, he thinks that we're all gonna move to Mars at some point. But I'm like, what do you want your kids to look back and tell their grandkids about you and all these people? It's just hate and cruelty.

[Angie]

You know, that's when you think about your aunts. Like, when I think about people in my family that were two generations older that have died, one of the biggest things I remember about some of them is how racist they were.

[Diana]

Right.

[Angie]

That is the biggest thing. It outweighs any good or any kindness they showed me because they were racist. And that is what my memory of them is. And so the memory of what all of these people is going to be is just how inherently cruel and racist and greedy they are. Okay, let me get to the next story. This one really bothers me. Iran expands dog walking ban. The ban, which mirrors a 2019 police order that barred dog walking in the capital, Tehran, has been extended to at least 18 other cities in the past week. Transporting dogs and vehicles has also been Outlawed dog ownership has been frowned upon in Iran since the 1979 Islamic Revolution, with dogs viewed as unclean by authorities. Owners have sometimes been arrested and dogs confiscated for being walked in public. But despite efforts to discourage it, dog ownership is rising, and it is viewed as a form of rebellion against the restrictive Iranian regime. So this is crazy to me. So if you go back before 1979, Tehran was like Paris, arts, freedom. You know, it was women. You didn't see them running around in hijabs. It was a very liberal culture. And then when you get religion and you have religious takeovers, this is the kind of shit that happens. So they started with women, the gays, and blah, blah, blah. Now they're going after the dogs. Imagine, like, the joy that those citizens could be living in, but they can't because you have insecure, greedy, religious whack jobs dictating that your precious time on earth has to be fucking miserable and you can't walk your dog. And to me, there's not that much daylight between what the Trump regime wants to do and what happens here. Because if you. If you study what happened with Iran and how their culture, I mean, it was. It was literally called the Paris of the Middle East. Books, education, freedoms, et cetera. And then the religious nuts come in and just ruin everything for everybody.

[Diana]

Right?

[Angie]

And that's what they're trying to do here. The religious nuts are coming in. They ruin everything for everybody because they're so fucking miserable, because they have been religiously and spiritually abused their whole lives and hurt people, hurt people. And now those hurt people are in the United States government.

[Diana]

Absolutely. And, you know, you look at. But just the last or the first six months of Trump's presidency, you've seen how he's attacked women, attacked black and brown people, attacked gay people. Like, no one is safe. Like, if you told me at the end of his term he was going to ban dogs, I mean, this motherfucker has no compassion for a dog he can't have. I wouldn't be surprised, because he started with women and gays and black and brown people.

[Angie]

So what's left? I think there's something in the religion of Islam that forbids them like that. They think dogs are unclean. And I have an anecdotal, like, piece of information about this. So a friend of mine married a guy that was from the Middle east, and he was in that his parents were coming into town, and I said, well, maybe they could come over. And I was told that. That. That his parents wouldn't enjoy coming over because I had dogs. And my dogs, you know, sit on my furniture, sleep in my bed. Because I'm not a sociopath, right? You know, like I. My dog's well being is incredibly important to me. So I think it is a cultural thing. But what it shows is that even with any sort of authoritarian, you know, they, they just. It. That is insane to take away somebody's right to walk a dog. That's how crazy religious nuts get from the guy that we just told you about that is an employee of the city of Oklahoma City that said he wanted gays lined up and executed. This is widely available on the Internet. Or you can go to our IHIP news episode about it. He wants to execute homosexuals. Baptists in Oklahoma are okay with that. They're okay with that. Hellfire damnation. And if you keep going down that path, it gets to where nobody can have anything. Nobody. Nobody can have fucking anything. Because these people are so broken.

[Diana]

Well, and that's by design.

[Angie]

And I shout out, this is something that I think is really important. A lot of times people will be like, well, Iranians are crazy. And that's like an American mindset. The Iranian government is crazy. There are people in Iran that have access to the Internet, that love dogs, that love freedom, that want to learn, that hate living under this style of regime. And so it's important that we find humanity in all corners of the world. Because, you know, right now everybody could look at the United States and say, God, they're a crazy country. And on the surface I can say yes. But underneath that surface are a lot of people that enjoy freedom, that love freedom and fight for freedom, even for the crazy lunatics. We will fight for their rights to come out of the closet and be out of the closet on Grindr. You don't have to just do it at the Republican National Convention. You can do it without shame. And so it's important that we all, as we move forward through this treacherous global stuff going on, that you don't just dismiss an entire nation because their government is crazy. And it's a very easy thing to do, but it's very short sighted and shallow to do such a thing.

[Diana]

Well. And I feel like this whole administration, their goal is for people, people to dehumanize other people. And so as easy as it is for me to dismiss all magas as nuts, I have to remember their parents like, you know what I mean? Like, you have to. You cannot dehumanize people if they show you who they are. You have to believe them. But you cannot automatically dehumanize a whole group of people.

[Angie]

I don't think that the left dehumanizes them.

[Diana]

No, no, I'm saying the right dehumanizes them.

[Angie]

Right? I mean, the right dehumanizes. I mean, Trump has stoked that. Yes, forever the enemy from within. I mean, you know, he has now Americans on the right believing that people like you and me and our listener are a bigger threat to democracy than Vladimir Putin. Right. Which is wild. Which is so intellectually dishonest and lazy. But when you don't value education and you start injecting magical thinking, an Iron age thought into modern law, you get this article where you've got, we're banning dog walking. That's what, you know, it's just there is not. Christians seem to think that their religion is the best. And all religions, when you get right down to the letter of the book, you know, you, you get these crazy policies that come out of them, and it's, it, it's. Nobody is exempt from that. And so it's just. I feel bad for the people of Iran and God, somebody please come get us from the United States, because this man is completely unhinged and bananas. All right, we have a guest today we're super excited about. This episode of. I've had. It is brought to you by booking.com booking. Yeah. From vacation rentals to hotels across the U.S. booking.com has the ideal summer stay for absolutely anyone, even those who might seem impossible to please. Whether you're booking for yourself, your partner, your picky teens, or your sleep light early rise mom, you can find exactly what you're booking for on booking.com I personally just booked a trip for my sons and I to go to New York City. And I found the perfect hotel in the perfect location. And we were able to tackle the city with enthusiasm and convenience. And I just, just absolutely love this site. If our family can find their perfect stay on booking.com anyone can find exactly what you're booking for. Booking.com booking. Yeah. Book today on the site or in the app, you know, pumps. It seems like the biggest thing in America right now is trying to get your hands on some Ozempic or WeGovy. And apparently it's a huge hassle. But your experience was so streamlined. Share what you did with our listener.

[Diana]

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[Sarah McBride]

Hello. Thank you for having me.

[Angie]

We are so happy to have you. We have been having a lot of your co workers on and one of our favorite things to do with your co workers is talk about some of your other co workers. So how are things going at work, Congresswoman?

[Sarah McBride]

Well, I had quite, quite a warm welcome from every single one of my colleagues. You know, I am very lucky to be part of the Democratic caucus family here. There are a handful of professional provocateurs on the other side of the aisle who seem pretty preoccupied with me and people like me. But those are deeply unserious legislators who honestly aren't working with any Democrat and can barely work with their own Republican colleagues. So they're off sort of getting attention and making a show. I'm here to do serious work with the serious colleagues that I have in the Democratic caucus and even I will say a handful of, of somewhat serious Republicans.

[Angie]

Well, I mean, are there outside of the shows that we see on social media and the provocateurs that you say that feed just there is like this sub cult on the Internet that is very obsessed with people like you that spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about people like you, when people like you genuinely do not affect their life, you know, at all. But behind the scenes, do any of the Republican colleagues of these provocateurs, did they say, hey, we don't like this, we're sorry about that? Is there a sense of humanity on the right towards you in Congress?

[Sarah McBride]

There actually is. You know, I don't want to let these folks off for their public behavior or for their votes, but I will tell you that, that the welcome that I received from some of my colleagues actually fostered an opportunity for me to develop relationships on the other side of the aisle that I might not have had had. A handful of my colleagues decided to make me an opportunity to get attention for themselves. So I'll have Republican colleagues come up to me on the floor just to say, I just want to come and introduce myself. We are so lucky to have you here. Welcome to Congress. Others who will say, you know, I really don't like they're doing. It's not very Christian. There are other colleagues who have said, let's find opportunities to work together to show people that, that not everyone is like this. So there are definitely moments of kindness and grace that honestly are only possible because of the moments of vitriol and attention seeking behavior.

[Angie]

Yes. All right. Well, Congresswoman, you know, before we get into super deep stuff, we like to, to, you know, just skim around the petty. So tell us, what have you had it with?

[Sarah McBride]

I honestly, I have had it with pop culture shaming. I am so over the pop culture sexism we see right now where anything that disproportionately is beloved by women is deemed vapid and superficial. And anything that. That disproportionately appeals to men for their entertainment is perfectly acceptable. And so, honestly, I just want to watch my traders. I just want to watch Real Housewives. I just want to watch and listen to Taylor Swift. Like, let me enjoy my thing. I'm tired of people yucking my yum. And now that I'm in Congress and have a higher profile and people are starting to hear about some of my pop culture likes and dislikes. Likes, I just let me live my life.

[Diana]

Yeah.

[Angie]

So you're getting shamed for liking a little bit of trash tv.

[Sarah McBride]

Yeah, I mean, listen, I just think across pop culture right now, we, we, we tend to police people's likes. We yuck people's yums. And if it's something that, that disproportionately appeals to women, it's somehow looked down upon. And if it's something that disproportionately appeals to men, we celebrate it and we're a. Okay. And I'm just, I'm over that. Let people like what they like.

[Angie]

Don't you think on the left, there, there is a fine line, like there are certain things that we need to defend and call out online, but then there is this hyper fixation on overcorrecting. I'll give you an example. When Musk and Trump had their delicious breakup aoc set. Oh, the girls are fighting. Which is funny. And it was. I thought, you know, I didn't take, like, oh, my God, she's shaming women. I know what her record is on women. It's well established. But I saw so many posts saying that was wrong for her to equate girls with their behavior with the same as Trump and Musk. And I think sometimes that's just getting a little bit too deep into it. Because for me, the takedown of Musk and Trump is these are the people that are fixated on how hyper masculine they are. These are the people that demean women. These are the people that are wound up like cheap clocks over the LGBTQIA group. They get triggered by rainbow flags. So I think that's kind of fair game. I think we got to get a little dirty. And as a woman, as a feminist, as an ally, I liked what she said, but sometimes I feel like the hyper policing of that is so off putting. Can you let. Can we just. Can Democrats just be dicks sometimes? Can we.

[Sarah McBride]

Well, I also just like, can we have a sense of humor? Can we not over intellectualize every single utterance by every single person? Can we just laugh at some things and recognize that things don't have to hold up to every single critique for it to be okay to say? I mean, I saw that pushback to AOC's comments. I got a little bit of it. I put out an email referencing the movie Mean Girls and got the same kind of pushback. And. And I'm like, y' all, this is. This is why we can't have nice things.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Sarah McBride]

And I will have to. I have to be honest, like, I do think we are not in this position right now as a party because of us, but clearly we're not. We're not in this position where we're seeing a massive regression because we weren't canceling people enough and shaming people enough and correcting people enough when they made simple mistakes. I really think that the party that honestly comes off as the party that is most sort of joyful and welcoming. Yeah, With a little bite. With a bit of humor.

[Angie]

I agree.

[Sarah McBride]

I think that that's a party that is one that other people want to join because it seems fun, it seems exciting, and it seems welcoming to people who want to do the right thing and have a good time while doing it.

[Angie]

And I just think we can't be super thin skinned like these MAGA men are. I mean, titty baby thin skinned. But Pumps has a question for you.

[Diana]

Okay. In the in the vein of predominantly, like, girls do this, boys do that. My number one pet peeve, and I see it at your workplace. But the example that comes through my mind is that women are more emotional than men. And I always flashback to Kentaji Brown Jackson's Supreme Court hearing where she was ridiculed and berated for days. She stood up like a champ. Brett Kavanaugh, snot slinging, crying, like, so what I want to know is, do you believe that people in your workplace, do you see a more emotional male sect than the women? I mean, obviously, you've got the net job like the Nancy Maces. I understand that. Take her out. Because surely she is not the norm.

[Sarah McBride]

Yeah, I mean, I think the big beautiful breakup was a prime example of the sort of emotional irrationality of a lot of people in politics. And if a woman in politics behaved that way, particularly a Democratic woman, we wouldn't hear the end the of it. We wouldn't hear the end of how irrational and emotional she is, how unstable she is. And, you know, I think it's one of the things that I've actually observed right now is that our politics makes a lot more sense when you realize that the Democratic and Republican parties have become sort of the avatar for women or the avatar for men in our society. And that means that they're held to different standards. And it's one of the reasons why when Trump and Republicans are loud and hysterical, or frankly, even Republicans who aren't men, when they're loud and scream, they're seen as strong. But when a Democrat, even a male Democrat, yells and screams, they're called shrill and hysterical and have Trump derangement syndrome. It's why Donald Trump can insult half this country, and we tolerate it because we're okay with a deadbeat dad. But when Hillary says half of Trump supporters are deplorable, it's disqualifying because a mother has to love every single one of her children equally. And so, you know, the question that you asked really, to me, sort of illustrates, though, a larger truth in our politics that, yes, there are rules that Democrats could break that we don't break. But it also undersells a larger truth that there are two different standards for the party. And we have to figure out how to navigate those standards and how to navigate those double standards, standards if we are going to overcome them and win back. And that means fighting hard and fighting smart in this moment. But it also means recognizing that the Republicans get away with a lot of shit that we wouldn't get away with if we were doing it.

[Angie]

They completely do. And I think that one of the biggest things the Democratic party needs to do moving forward is walk, chew gum, dribble a basketball, do backflips. I mean do like 10 things at one time because we have to play catch up. A prime example is the decades long attack on blue states and blue cities. When most of these states and cities, if you look at the ranking of states they pay more in, they're donor states, they're not parasitic states. They have better education, better health care, better human rights, more freedoms, et cetera. If you take from Kansas, Oklahoma, which is where we are right now in Texas, and get just go straight east, that is the Bible Belt. And that is where you see the worst of the worst. These are the bottom 10, bottom 15 states in every category. At you have the worst health care, worst places for women to live, the worst education, more crime, et cetera. I would personally as somebody who lives in a red state and I see what these MAGA super majorities do, they ruin communities. Meanwhile the politicians gaslight the public and say we're a top ten state. I'm like, bitch, please, we're at bottom three. What are you talking about? But I would like to see a huge effort by Democrats attacking these red policies. And it seems like that the Democratic messaging is just so disjointed. And I know it's very disoriented, disorienting to get beaten by such a moron like Donald Trump. But my God, I just feel like sometimes I'm like, hello, why aren't we doing this? And I know you're there to fight this and to pass legislation, but what do you think think the Democratic Party needs to do to get real messaging that's not just about this news cycle, but that is about, you know, 10, 20 years. Because I always see Democrats start talking policy. And the reaction to when the average American voter hears policy is yeah, even if it snaps, even if it's Medicare, even if it's Medicaid, something that personally affects them, hearing about policy is boring. People have to have some juice in there. So why not attack Republicans Republican policies?

[Sarah McBride]

Well, first off, I think you're absolutely right. Policies are proof points to a larger message. And we have to have a larger message that is about working people in this country and how Republicans time and time again, whether at the state level or at the federal level, are screwing overworking people. And the way they do that, that and I think you've talked about this before, the way they do that is by picking a marginalized community, fear mongering and scapegoating about it. They attack them in an effort to misdirect the public's attention while they pick your pocket. Because I guarantee you, every single time they're talking about trans people or immigrants, always, they are picking the pocket of American workers. They're fleecing seniors by trying to privatize Social Security and Medicaid care. They're undermining and gutting unions in this country. They're lining the pockets of the wealthy and major corporations. And I think in this moment, we have got to pull back the curtain on what is a strategy as old as politics itself and defend the vulnerable people in this country, but also make it clear to folks who aren't part of those communities that when those communities are getting attacked, you're actually getting attacked.

[Angie]

Attacked.

[Sarah McBride]

Because it's an effort to distract while they fuck you over.

[Angie]

Yep.

[Sarah McBride]

And it's an effort to, to, to not only distract, but to divide this country and to push us further and further apart, to make us more bitter and more extreme.

[Angie]

Let me ask you this. In pulling back the curtain, really pulling it back, it's going to expose a lot of compromised Democrats that take a lot of money from lobbyists, corporations and special interest interests. And that, to me, is at the core of the problem and the paralysis that the Democrats have right now. If we. Why have we lost the working class? Because we are just as beholden to these corporations and lobbyists as the Republicans are. And I think having credible messengers in the Democratic Party is super important. That's why you see Bernie and AOC go out there and they get tens of thousands of people. If Hakeem Jeffries and Chuck Schumer went out and tried to do a rally, it would be, I mean, abysmal turnout. Because on our side, we know that there's a lot of bullshit the Democratic Party tells people. And to me, everybody's dancing around this issue right now. And if the Democrats are going to take money, then we say, look, it's broken. We're going to take money. But we have told our donors, you have to stand, stand up against Trump. You have to stand for democracy. And we are partnering with all pro democracy people to win elections. But I feel like there's a lot of dancing around it when we have other Democrats on here. And I think the Democratic Party is kind of compromised. And until we reconcile that, we're going to continue to shed these working class voters and these working class voters. You're exactly right. They think they can't have nice things because of immigrants and people like you and gay people and lesbians and on. Because of, because picking on marginalized groups is an authoritarian play to fleece the working class.

[Sarah McBride]

Yes. Yeah, look, I think one, you're absolutely right that we have to, we have to be fighting for bold economic policy to make it abundantly clear that we're working to make the American dream affordable and accessible for everyone. I think it's as simple as everyone, everyone needs to get a wage. And the first thing we'll do, we will raise the minimum wage. Age.

[Angie]

Yes.

[Sarah McBride]

In this country, everyone deserves the benefits that they need. That means that we're going to have paid family and medical leave across this country. So you don't have to break the bank to start a family or when your parent gets diagnosed with, with cancer and you need to care for them. We, we need to make it clear that we're fighting for bold economic policy. While also. I will be, I, I will also say on this, one of the challenges that we face, and I think it's, and I say this as a trans person, is that we often they will set out a trap for us and we will run right into it. Right. And I think one of the reasons why those anti trans ads were, were to the degree that they were successful or not, why there was so much money put behind them because they pulled well and in polling and in the focus group groups is because of the last line in that ad, Kamala Harris is for they, them. Donald Trump's for you. I do think that there is a perception that we are preoccupied with the culture wars, which is ironic because it's the Republicans who are preoccupied with.

[Angie]

That's all they talk about.

[Sarah McBride]

And I know that you all had a great conversation recently where when there were some Democrats who were trying to reinforce this notion that we were the party of pronouns, when the reality is the Republican Party is the party that is obsessed with pronouns. You push back on that.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Sarah McBride]

And I think we have to, we have to be very clear in pushing back against the notion that we are obsessed with culture wars, that we're the ones fighting about gender. We just want everyone to be able to live their lives. Right. We want everyone to be able to live their lives.

[Angie]

Don't you think those are compound thoughts that it's like in the economic message, we leave no one behind in, in having health care, in having a livable wage that includes all Americans. We don't cherry pick some for you, not for you, some for you, not for you. That's why trans issues, minorities, immigrants are included in our messaging because none of us are free until all of us are free. And, Congresswoman, I just feel with every fiber in my body that I have to fight for your rights and your visibility every bit as much as I do everybody else's. Because if I, I. If anybody gives up on you, Congresswoman, then they move the goalposts and they move the goalposts and they move the goalposts, and then all of a sudden you fall prey to it.

[Sarah McBride]

That. Well, that's exactly. That's exactly right. And I think the way that you just said it, though, is the way we should be talking about it, which is that we are fighting for everyone. We are fighting for everyone. We leave no one behind. I think when we start to sort of cherry pick different groups out to highlight, when we're talking about opportunity for all, unfortunately, a lot of people start hearing in. They don't hear the all part, and they hear just the groups that we mentioned. So I think, I think we have to lean in. In exactly the way that you just did. And again, I think explicitly reinforce that it is the Republican Party that is thinking about trans people and obsessed with trans people.

[Angie]

I've never heard people talk about genitals as much as they do.

[Sarah McBride]

Some of these folks think about trans people more than trans people think about trans people.

[Angie]

Absolutely. Totally.

[Diana]

Yeah.

[Sarah McBride]

It's crazy, but we have to be willing to just be 100% frank about that.

[Angie]

That.

[Sarah McBride]

And certainly also some of these Democrats that are, that are critiquing the party and saying that we're too focused on these issues are just reinforcing the very lie that the Republicans have been putting forward.

[Diana]

Right. No, I completely agree with that. I have a. We look at Moses, Mike Johnson, and we are just astounded because he is such a religious fanatic and the biggest hypocrite on the planet. We live in Oklahoma, where we have a state superintendent that buys Trump Bibles and puts the Ten Commandments on the wall, says there's no such thing as separation of church and state. What can you do within the body that you're currently serving in to make sure that we are not going to combine church and state? Because I just look at this and I think we are now sitting around and people in office are saying, well, America was based on Christian values. And I'm just like, what? We've completely gotten away from church and state. And I'm. Mike Johnson is the biggest offender and he's the most ineffective leader for many reasons. But I think that's one of them.

[Sarah McBride]

Well, you know, I actually think that it's the sort of Christian nationalism that we're seeing from the far right is a prime example of how the right is in some cases making some of the same mistakes that we made on the left in sort of a post marriage equality world where we overestimated our cultural victory and our cultural mandate and started to sort of, of require everyone. I mean, to the conversation we were having earlier where it was like we couldn't have any humor if it was like, right. If there was any potential sort of leftist critique. I actually think the Christian nationalist movement that we're seeing right now is sort of a mirror of that on the right where they're overestimating the cultural victory and cultural mandate that they have. And the Republican Donald Trump is this sort of profund, fun, pro humor guild on a Republican Party that is still very much the same old Republican Party of prudes and purists.

[Angie]

Totally.

[Sarah McBride]

And you know, I, and, and, and, and the Republican rank and file in the House are a prime example of, of, of that. Mike Johnson is a prime example of that. And I actually think there's going to be a backlash when it's not Trump's sort of humor and showboaty sort of three wives, million kids, you know, whatever. When it's not that. And it's actually policies that are banning contraception, policies that are banning speech, policies that are banning books. And you're like, actually these people aren't profund. They're the same old, old Republican Party that was trying to ban video games in the 1990s.

[Angie]

Right.

[Sarah McBride]

Just to pull a reference out from like 30 years ago that no one remembers but me.

[Angie]

But you know, but isn't it wild, I mean, knowing like all that, what the Republican Party has believed and what they all the family value stuff. And when George W. Bush ran, Karl Roe put that marriage thing on all the state ballots to drive out the evangelicals to get W elected and just, you know, we believe in traditional family values and that. Nauseating. And then to see Trump, who just is so morally bankrupt, banging porn stars, Playboy bunnies hanging out with Elon Musk, who snorting ketamine with reckless abandon and you just see this just depravity and then you see Moses, Mike Johnson trot out there as Jesus's little soldier and it's just so breathtakingly hypocritical. Now my mother, who is an atheist, who has lived in the Bible Belt her entire life, she has said the one good thing and she's from Texas originally, and she says it like this. The one good thing about Trump, darlin, is he has exposed all of these evangelical hypocrites for exactly who I always knew they were. And so I hope that Democrats pick up on that too. Look at these Christian hypocrites. Because there are people, I think in our research on you, Congresswoman, you're an ordained Presbyterian elder.

[Sarah McBride]

I am, yeah.

[Angie]

That's kind of cool.

[Sarah McBride]

Another reason why these right wingers heads explode. I'm an ordained elder. Queer trans woman. Like how does that happen?

[Diana]

What's going on with the Presbyterians?

[Sarah McBride]

Can't you amazing that I just don't burst into flames perpetually?

[Angie]

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[Diana]

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[Angie]

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[Sarah McBride]

O h, had it. I'm sorry, no iced coffee. I'm sorry, iced coffee. My conspiracy theory is, does not work.

[Diana]

No caffeine charge.

[Sarah McBride]

No caffeine. No caffeine. I want my coffee to slap me across the face. I like a good hot Starbucks coffee.

[Angie]

Okay. Had it or hit it. Delaware haters.

[Sarah McBride]

Okay, had it. I mean, this is when you were getting into the like, state on state hatred. It was, it was making me a little nervous because while Delaware is a giver state, we get so much shit as Delaware. Everywhere I go, people go Delaware. They insult my state. We are the best state in the history of the union. And I, I encourage everyone to come visit our little state and see how big of a heart we have and how much fun we have, particularly in the beaches.

[Angie]

Okay. I, you know, I've never been to Delaware.

[Diana]

I haven't either.

[Angie]

I mean, we just might have to make a big trip there, hang out with you on the beaches.

[Sarah McBride]

I love it. Come to Rojo, Hobart.

[Angie]

Isn't that where Joe Biden always is?

[Sarah McBride]

The gays and the flame beams.

[Angie]

Okay, had it or hit it. The big beautiful breakup.

[Sarah McBride]

Oh, hit it. Yeah, hit it. I've got my popcorn out. I'm watching. I'm loving it. Could, you know, while it could not happen to a nice, nicer two people. I will, I will, I will say it's been interesting watching the fluctuation like when Elon deleted the Epstein tweet.

[Angie]

Hilarious.

[Sarah McBride]

And I'm like, I'm like, you can't put that toothpaste back in the tube, my man. Like, once that's out there, that's out there.

[Diana]

I kind of feel like a little let down, though, because they were really going after each other. And I think somebody with some got into one or the other of or both and said, you all will end up. And this is my opinion, you will end up in prison if you keep doing this to one another. Because in my mind, there is so much malfeasance and nefarious conduct between the two. And they've kind of like. I mean, everybody knew he was in the Epstein records. Everybody except Maga. So that wasn't like the punch that I needed. So I'm kind of bummed about how it's kind of trickled out.

[Angie]

Here's the thing. Pun and Congresswoman, here's the thing. You got somebody who is an untreated, unhinged drug addict, and anybody that has that level of addiction is unable. He's going to be unable to control when he gets his feelings hurt and he has the loudest megaphone and he's going to drop more. So just sit back, fasten your seatbelt. It is going to be a bumpy, delicious ride with guaranteed turbulence, because they will destroy each other. It's impossible that they won't.

[Sarah McBride]

I mean, as someone who abhors cyberbullying, my heart goes out to both of them.

[Angie]

Hashtag be best.

[Diana]

Yeah, be best.

[Angie]

Hashtag be best. Okay.

[Sarah McBride]

What a great Trump. One reference.

[Angie]

Okay, last one. Had it or hit it? The United States of America hit it. I agree.

[Sarah McBride]

I mean, listen, listen, listen. We're going through a rough patch right now. We've been through rough patches before. And, you know, I think I will just say this because I want to. I want to end on this, this. This note, because I think it's so important for all of us in this moment to remember. Because I think what's challenging in this moment is that it feels like we can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. It doesn't feel like 10, 15, 20 years ago, when it felt like if we simply worked for it, if we voted and volunteered, feared that change was inevitable. But one of the things I take comfort in as I sit in the house and think about all the history that's occurred within that space, the highs and the lows of our country's history, the. The sins and the injustices and the moments of progress is the thing that gives me comfort, is that that sense of inevitability that we felt 1520 years ago that with hard work, change was inevitable. That is the exception in our history. And you cannot tell me that the reasons for hopelessness now for our country are greater than the reasons for hopelessness for an enslaved person in the 1850s who had no reason to believe that an Emancipation Proclamation was on the horizon. You cannot tell me the reasons for hopelessness now are greater than the reasons for hopelessness for an unemployed worker during the early days of the Great Depression. And you certainly cannot tell me that the reasons for hopelessness now are greater than the reasons for hopelessness for a closeted gay or closeted trans person in the 1950s who never knew of an America where they could live openly and authentically as themselves without violating the law. They had every reason to give up, but they didn't. They persevered. They summoned their hope. They changed the world. And they said to the United States of America, hit it.

[Diana]

I'm like, tear down.

[Angie]

Congresswoman, I want to say on a personal note to you, we live in a very anti trans climate. I have two very dear friends of mine that are raising a 10 year old trans daughter and they came over for dinner the other night. And this is an opportunity for all of us in this country with all of the hate and all of this judgment and just, just abject that goes on that I think it boils down to something very simple. You can be cool or you can be a dick. It's that simple, America. And every day I want Americans that are dickish to know that having somebody that might be slightly different than you and somebody whose life might not be perfectly down the fairway is actually an attribute to your personal life. It actually enhances your personal life. It adds depth, color, and joy to your life. And so your visibility and your election as the first trans Congresswoman is something that makes me so proud. And I want to say to you and to all of the American haters, just be cool. Why do you want to be a dick to people? Just be cool. All she's doing is her job. That's it. And people that get so triggered about flags and pronouns and bathrooms, that is a them problem. To use a pronoun, that is a they them problem. And you are not the problem, Congresswoman. You are the solution. You are the solution. And I'm just so proud to live in a country where you were elected and there's no question that Delaware has to be one of the best states in the union by having elected you because you have handled just horrific hate and just a whole cesspool of fiery hell online with more grace and humility and class than I've ever seen, because I'm not capable of that. I mean, I would fight back and I get so scrappy, it'd be ugly. But not you. I mean, you just rise above and you're an inspiration far beyond your. Just first, just who you are in your presence and the way you conduct yourself is just hashtag goals for all of us.

[Diana]

Wow.

[Sarah McBride]

That. That. That's really. That's really kind. I mean, I. I am here to do the serious work of governing. I'm here to represent a million Delawareans to the best of my ability. I think it is a testament to your point about Delawareans. It's a testament to Delawareans that they were fair minded and were judging candidates based on their ideas. I also, I will just say that I've got really incredible colleagues who have my back. I've got incredible constituents who have my back. I have so many people like you two who not only have my back, but have the backs of so many people across this country right now. I know. You know, one of the challenges when you are a first is, as the owner of the Brooklyn Dodgers says In the movie 42, if you respond to a slur with a slur, they'll only hear yours. And if you respond to a punch with a punch, they'll say you're the aggressor. And my hope, and one of the reasons why I did the documentary was my hope is that people can see a story that's not a simple story about my experience, because it's through the nuance and the complexities and the challenges that we learn lessons that other people see that those, that those of us who do this aren't doing it because we're fearless. And hopefully folks can. Can take that more complex story, learn from it, so that not only I'm not the last, but that the people who come behind me can do it better. And yes, when it's a second or third or fourth or fifth, they can also do this job differently than I'm doing it.

[Angie]

Congresswoman, I just think you're so cool.

[Diana]

I think you're amazing.

[Angie]

I just do. I think you're so cool. And you're been one of my favorite guests. And I'm so happy you came on. In any time, time you want to come on, you're always welcome. And I just enjoyed our time with you so very much.

[Sarah McBride]

Thank you. I would love to come back. Thank you so much for having me. It was an honor.

[Angie]

Great. All right, we'll see you soon. Good luck at work.

[Sarah McBride]

Thank you. I need it.

[Angie]

Okay. I mean, I just think she is incredible. Are you crying?

[Diana]

I mean, I'm just so moved. Yeah, I mean, that her story and like she's the one saying after all she's been through, like, we have hope, you know, I guess I just needed to hear somebody say, like, it could be worse. It's been worse. But so much class. She's been through so much. I mean, just. I'm very moved. I'm not sad, I'm just very. She's very moving.

[Angie]

This is why it's so important, the fight for human rights. This is why it's so important to. That nobody goes along with even a fringe of systemic homophobia or transphobia because it squashes beautiful voices like hers and prevents her from living a normal life just so people can be angry dicks. That's the sole purpose of it is, you know, she has no agenda other than to get up in the morning, eat whatever it is she's going to eat for breakfast, go to work with, you know, half of them up there, nut, co workers, nuts. And it's just so important that we never compromise and we never bend on that issue because you give these people an inch and they keep going and going and going and going. And I hope if there's one thing that we impress upon our listeners listener, it is that the fight for human rights and for equality, you have to have ironclad conviction. You can leave no one behind just because it's personally easier for you in that one segment of your life because it just allows a lot of pain when that happens and it hap. And it allows a lot of systemic bigotry to live and get deep, more deeply embedded into the culture. And so, you know, I mean, our podcast is silly, but a lot of times it's serious. And we are very, very, very serious about this fight for equality for everybody. And MAGA is not for that.

[Diana]

No, they're for white men. Rich white men, preferably. Full stop.

[Angie]

All right, listen, okay, Pumps is over there. She's boodle, baby. God love her. She's so sweet. Okay, look, we have a book. It's called Life is a Lazy Suit Susan of Shit Sandwiches. It's a great little weekend summer read. Our goal is get you one and take it on your summer trip and then take a picture, a selfie of you on vacation with your book. We will reshare it. You can buy this link in bio and also at local bookstores and pumps. Tell them don't botch saying Thursday.

[Diana]

You've got it in my head so bad.

[Angie]

Come on.

[Diana]

We will see you next Tuesday and Thursday. Was that not good?

[Angie]

It was excellent. You nailed it. I'll tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with that. Listen up patriots, gaytriots and natriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called IHIP News. It's Monday through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape landscape of the United States of America. Always served with a side of petty grievances.

[Diana]

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[Angie]

Please go rate, subscribe and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind. Pumps, pumps. What does an eagle say?

[Diana]

Caca.

[Angie]

A little bit more enthusiasm.

[Diana]

Caca.

[Angie]

That's it. That's. That's cacao. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.