Pumps (2:51)

Well, well, I mean, and even before that, he's the guy that recommended injecting bleach.

Jennifer (2:56)

Oh, yeah.

Pumps (2:57)

I mean, you know, like, this is. This isn't new. This is just. It's gotten worse because dementia and cognitive decline is a progressive illness. And so it's progressively gotten worse. And I read an article that I don't even. People around him don't even really know that he really knows what's going on. And if you think about his day, they've made the Oval Office his own personal coloring book, right? Where he can color gold leaf all over the place. And then he does show and tell every day with his executive orders, and they trot him around, and then there's all these nefarious actors behind the scenes, but they give him these vanity projects. Like, you know what you can call the Kennedy Center? The Trump Center. Oh, you know what, big guy? We'll put you in charge of vetting all the history at the Smithsonian Institution. Like, we want the guy that recommended that Americans put bleach into their bodies to disinfect it from COVID Like, we want that guy, that's our guy, to be in charge of history. And, like, there's something that Americans need to get back to embracing, and it is embracing the absolute bookworm nerds that have never made a be in their life that like policy, that like to study policy, that are not threatened when people disagree with them, that are experts and the face plant of expertise in the MAGA movement and the capitulation to that expertise in favor of raising up complete dipshits like Pete Hegseth, Right. Who's wholly unqualified, whose pastor is a huge guy that covers up pedophilia in his church. And it just seems like every time I turn around, these guys are involved in these crazy scandals that involve some sort of sexual abuse, some form of pedophilia. They say stupid stuff that they don't know what they're talking about. And here's the thing. I get a bunch of nuts forming a culture. The. I think that we're at. I think the support for Trump in this country. I saw, saw a poll that only 31% of Americans believe Trump to be honest and trustworthy, right? So that's the base. 31%. And they're so loud and obnoxious. That feels like. It feels like that 31% is much larger than it is. Because their whole life, when they wake up in the morning, until they go to bed at night, is defending cankles, McTaco tits and owning the lips. That's their sole identity. Like, they don't have other hobbies. Liberals don't stay so hard in this all the time because they have. We have other stuff going on. We have other things that we like to do.

Jennifer (5:46)

Well, you know what is so interesting about that is you have these people that I see on Twitter or whatever you call it now, and it's like, release the Epstein files. It's, you know, pedophilia, can't stand, da, da, da. And then like two years later, now that Trump's, you know, it's old news, we need to get over it. And I'm like, not only do you want to own the libs, you have to twist yourself into a pretzel every day because he is so crazy and changes what he thinks and what he says. It's the Epstein hoax that he's geared you up for for 10 years because.

Pumps (6:20)

He'S in the Epstein hoax. He's in the. He's in the Epstein files. He's in it. Of course he is. And now this is a huge cover up. All of these people are complicit. All of these betas wake up every morning and figure out, are we pro release Epstein files, are we against. And whatever. A guy, a grown man, and these guys, you know, fancy themselves. They like to quantify masculinity. That's like one of their top three things to do. Own the libs, worship Trump and quantify masculinity. And in that vein of quantifying masculinity, they worship a guy that wears a full face of makeup every day and.

Jennifer (6:56)

Shoulder pads and, and shoes.

Pumps (6:57)

A girdle. Yeah, I mean, you know, a girdle. Apparently a diaper. I mean, he's what, 98 years old? And I thought he was 103.103K. I mean, the whole night is nuts. Okay, so my grievance is somewhat similar, but I have had it with MAGA being so triggered by the First Amendment. Yeah. And here's a prime example. So this summer, my family and I, we went to London and we saw the band Oasis at Wembley Stadium. It was, you know, they did like five nights there. We were there on the first night. 90,000 people, complete freedom. The band members on stage were shit talking. Because it's a democracy. People have that right in the uk. They have the right to freedom of expression. We used to have that. So I was reading the news, and the Oasis band members have been warned not to talk Trump when they do their U. S swing into the United States of their tour. And that's just like, I'm sorry, but if you run for president and you're. You choose to be in government, you choose to be a podcaster, you choose to put yourself on, you know, the, in the public domain, people shit talk you. I mean, several days ago, Fox News did wall to wall coverage of me calling out all the racist triple trumpers that like to go eat Mexican, Mexican food. And they were just mortified by it. I'm not a victim of that. I said it on camera. I knew it was going to be out on the public domain. I'm a big girl. Come at me. But these guys are such titty babies. You're telling Oasis when they come over here that they can't shit talk. Cankles make taco tits. But yet we're supposed to be. I'm for freedom. I'm for the constitution. I like Trump. I triple trumped triple trump. I'm gonna go eat a cracker barrel just to own you, Lib. Yeah, okay. All right, big guy, swing for the fences. I'm sorry about your cock.

Jennifer (8:59)

Sorry you have a teeny weeny peeny.

Pumps (9:02)

But you know, what are we doing telling musicians, what are we doing? People get to shit talk in democracies. That's freedom. You might not like what they say. I don't like a lot of the stuff that's said on the right wing. I simply don't listen to it. I've never been to a Toby Keith concert. I don't go to. I don't watch Chuck Norris on TV if he's still on tv because I'm just not into it. So don't go to the Oasis concert, but do not muzzle people's right to free speech. And then nobody is going to want to come to this country if they're going to be muzzled. And that doesn't even get me as to what's going on at the border right now with people being detained and people that, you know, have tourists, you know, right to come over here, to, to travel, to spend money here. They're shutting all of that down. Canada hates us. So to the 31%, the triple Trumpers, nobody likes us anymore because of you. Like, you're the reason we can't have nice things, right?

Jennifer (10:07)

Here's the thing, the book banning, they're banning books. They're telling universities who can be their teachers. It's unbelievable that the right wing is so. We love free speech. We love democracy. They hate democracy. They hate it.

Pumps (10:25)

Well, they're dismantling it.

Jennifer (10:26)

They're dismantling it every day. And I just. Every day. Not every day, but a couple times a week, I think. What are the history books going to say about Trump, the enablers in Congress, and all the people that sat back and watched what happened? That they were shipping people to Alligator Alcatraz, and they made fucking merch about it. Degrading people, dehumanizing people. It's unbelievable. Like, 100 years from now, I, I understand why Donald Trump wants to rewrite history, because it will not be kind to him, nor will it be kind to Moses, Mike, and that whole thing. And I have a prediction, it's just a personal prediction, but as this continues to go, you know, no religion is the number one growth in religion. I really feel like there's going to be, after this, a real step away from it even more because of the unity in lockstep with Trump, the Maga movement, and evangelical Christians. I just can't imagine that all that he's doing would not affect people moving forward and staying in the church.

Pumps (11:41)

Like, generationally, I'm all for that, because I just think it's nuts that people are going to Iron Age thinking to guide their modern life. I mean, out of the Ten Commandments, the first four of them are, are about protecting God's ego before we even get to not harming other people. And so, I mean, that's kind of nuts. Like, you know, don't worship other gods. And we're putting that up in public schools. Like, we've really studied a lot past this. And if you define the Abraham and Abrahamic God, and you went to a therapist, a secular therapist, and you told them, yeah, I'm in a relationship with this guy. But, you know, if I don't think this certain way, or if I think about if I find another guy attractive or if I tell a little white lie, tells me he's going to burn in hell, I'm going to burn in hell forever. And the therapist would be like, you need to break up. This is a controlling, psychotic relationship. And so, listen, listener, I know that some of you are probably Christian light and were raised in this, and you have a sense of spirituality that gives you peace. Where we live in the Bible Belt, these Bible thumpers are meaner than rattlesnakes. They oppose everything good about this country, and they're so miserable in their own religion that they want to recruit everybody to be in it with them because misery loves company. These people are not fun. They're racist. They are white supremacists they do not like freedom. They get wound up about other people's sex lives all the time. It is the biggest busybody movement, which is why we have started a movement to boycott megachurches. I want to start there. So we are selling merch right now to boycott megachurches because the religious industrial complex has done every bit as bad damage to this country as Big Oil, Big Pharma. And we need to keep our eyes focused on that and those listeners that are in it still. And you realize, wait, this kind of doesn't make sense. What do you mean? Like, people used to live to be 900 years old? Because that's the thing about it. They, they make you believe all of it, which is unbelievable. You can, you can get deprogrammed because pumps hair did it.

Jennifer (14:03)

Yeah. And I just think in looking back, the lack of empathy that I showed other people and now that I see every day with people that I know, I mean, I think we could add to the shirts like Christianity sucks. I was gonna say equal sign with like a thing in it. Empathy, the exact opposite of empathy is what I see in this maga. Evangelical Christianity.

Pumps (14:29)

Now there are a couple of Democratic politicians that are deeply religious from the South, James Talarico out of Texas and Andy Bershear out of Kentucky, who use their faith to message to a very religious country. And make no mistake about it, America is religious, first world country, kind of rich third world country. But that to message that they will not marginalize people because of their faith. But sadly you see religious movements now talking about they're labeling people who have empathy as they're labeling. Labeling it as toxic empathy. And so the, the central character of their religion, by their own definition, Jesus would have had toxic empathy. So it's just this stupid mind fact. Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer.

Jennifer (15:19)

I'm Angie. Hbic Head Beaver.

Pumps (15:22)

Let's check in with Kylie.

Kylie (15:24)

Hi.

Pumps (15:25)

Hi.

Kylie (15:26)

I've got quick couple of reviews for you.

Jennifer (15:28)

Okay.

Kylie (15:29)

This first one is five stars titled Live from the Memory Unit. And Batman's sister writes, it warms my heart to see the elderly and infirmed provided with such wonderful opportunities for enrichment as this podcast. To the live in nurse who provides these ladies with microphones and Internet connection. You're truly a saint and are surely not being compensated enough. I hope when I reach their ripe ages that I am half as coherent as they are. Most admiringly a rogue straight white Gen Z male from the great state of Pennsylvania.

Pumps (15:58)

Matt. Matt, what a great review. Straight white Gen Z. I Mean, you know, this is like our audience is a big tent audience. We are, we are the big tent audience here, guys.

Jennifer (16:13)

And I always say it. But our listeners are smart and funny and witty. We don't have any MAGA listeners.

Pumps (16:22)

I think there's a few hate listeners.

Jennifer (16:24)

But they can't follow it because it's got nuance, I think. But our listeners, you can bank on them being smart.

Kylie (16:30)

Yeah, I've got a MAGA listener.

Jennifer (16:33)

Oh, good.

Kylie (16:33)

Ready for you. One star titled hideous spelled K H U N T S who need to be deported. Typical left wing garbage spouted by the most vile and hideous looking women who have never worked a day in their life and have had everything given to them. They should be banned from the United States and should be forced to live in a non white country and definitely go on a diet.

Pumps (16:56)

Go on a diet.

Jennifer (16:58)

Go on a diet.

Pumps (16:58)

Motherfucker.

Jennifer (16:59)

You wouldn't believe what I spend on Manjiro.

Pumps (17:02)

Keep that up really quick. So he thinks we've never worked a day in our lives. And I have news for you, Voso. I've worked every day of my life and everything that I have I earned with my own money. Zero handouts. And I didn't have to give one blow job for it. I own my house, I own my cars, I own this building that we're sitting in all in my name because of my hard work. And so that is just. That is a typical thing that MAGA people think. They think, think that if you have empathy for other people, then you're supposed to be poor, right? And suffering. That's what they relate it to. They can't imagine that a woman could make their own money and have their own autonomy and have their own agency and have their own bank account with zero handouts. And I mean, I had very dark days where my financial situation was incredibly precarious, but I had too much pride to ask anybody for help. I. I mean, I hunkered down and made sure my kids had everything they need. And I'm rich. Ish now, but it's all my doing. It is 100% my doing. And the MAGA movement wants to prevent women from having this type of autonomy and agency. And I just, I think that if women are left, not all men, because there's a lot of good ones, like Matt, the aforementioned Gen Z listener, but there are a lot of men that use finances to control and abuse women.

Jennifer (18:35)

They absolutely do. And you see that in divorce all the time. Women stay because of money they're not allowed to know how Much is in the bank account. How much is earned? Now, granted, it takes two to tango. Why did you settle for that?

Pumps (18:47)

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

Jennifer (18:48)

But financial abuse is real. And they want to take our right to vote away. They want to take us back to where women can't own homes or credit cards. And it's because of a guy like this that he knows that women can do it. And that's why he's so fucking triggered.

Pumps (19:04)

This is a guy that in his spare time is finding a pod. He probably saw us on Fox News, right? And in his spare time is going to hunt down the podcast to put a one star review. Like, you know, like number one, it doesn't hurt my feelings. But number two, it. It is so pathetic that so many wake up every single day and their soul like they live in this chat room. Comment section. Keyboard warriors all day. Okay, listen up. We have a guest today. We have a guest today that we love. He is the first real fan of this podcast. He is a guest that we that pumps shamelessly objectifies every time she sees him in person. He's super cute and he is our friend and he is a GQ model. He is a twitch streamer and he is the host of Fear and Podcast and he's just one of our best friends. Let's welcome to I've Had It. Hasan Piker Pumps and I need to share with everybody that we have written a book. It's called Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches and believe it or not Pumps and I have not always been so rock solid and we talk about all of our trials, tribulations, most of all our fuck ups. Yes, because fuck ups are relatable and a part of the human experience.

Jennifer (20:30)

I have gotten so much feedback regarding the book that because of my situation with the religion and addiction and all that that people relate to that. So I do think there's something to take away that's comforting about it because we've all been in very difficult situations.

Pumps (20:47)

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Hasan Piker (24:44)

Oh, my God.

Pumps (24:45)

Oh, my God. Mr. GQ Pumps. Go ahead and get it out of your system. Oh, my God. I loved it.

Jennifer (24:50)

Loved the bubble bath. Here's the deal, Hassan. You're the only person, like, I hate everybody that posts their workouts on the Internet. I hate everybody that posts their outfits of the day. I fucking like yours every single day. Day. Because you're so cute and so smart and so everything.

Hasan Piker (25:07)

I do it for you specifically. So that's why I do it. But. But thank you so much for the kind words. I'm honored to be on the most radical progressive podcast in North America.

Pumps (25:25)

That's right.

Hasan Piker (25:27)

This is the headquarters. This is the headquarters of the actual resistance. And not like the 2016 era resistance, liberalism, like the real resistance.

Pumps (25:35)

This is it. I mean, you are. I mean, you are in the epicenter of it. We are not fucking around. We have had it from top to bottom, and we're calling every motherfucker out. No one is safe. I mean, no one. We have had it. Fox News is on our trail. They're wound up like cheap clocks, which is always just a bonus, of course, when they get wound up. But, Hasan, what have you been up to and what have you had it with?

Hasan Piker (26:00)

Oh, I have so many things that I've had it with. But first and foremost, I wanted to say I've had it with Democrats who are not fighting. If you're a Democrat, you have to fight. If you can't take the heat, you got to get out of the kitchen. That's the number one thing I've had it with. Because we know that Republicans are bad. We know that they're going to ruin the country. They're doing it already. They're doing all the fascist stuff. They got the military takeover of the Capitol. But we need Democrats to be out there putting their bodies on the line. It can't just be the American public. I'm. I'm out there at the protests. We're getting shot at. I don't see any Democrats with us. You know, I need to start seeing Democrats on the. At those protests. I need to start seeing, like, actual visible, prominent politicians that are making a big fuss about the kidnappings that are going on all around the country and also even the unlimited funding that's seemingly going to Israel.

Pumps (26:58)

Well, you know, that's. That was a real aha moment for us because it's such an easy layup right now to take down maga, to say MAGA isn't America first. They are clearly Israel first. Moses Mike Johnson packed up his toys because he didn't want it the his base to find out that Trump is in the middle of a pedophile ring. And he went immediately to his home district of Israel. They are Israel first. And so I was waiting for, for the Democrats to say this. And they can't say it because they're beholden to the same people that Moses Mike Johnson is. So when the only bipartisanship that you see in Congress right now is support for killing marginalized Palestinians and starving them out, that's a huge problem for the Democratic Party. And I mean, here's the thing. And the Democrats are being really stupid about this. I played a clip yesterday, Hasan, of Marjorie Taylor Greene bashing Israel and talking about an economic populist message like Americans are sick of funding wars. They're sick of not having health care. And I just said, you know, she's a nut. She's clearly anti Semitic, all this stuff. But I said, when you consume news, you're a middle information viewer, and you just see those clip. The Democrats are leaving us vulnerable to more fascism, to more conservatism, to more Christian nationalism by not taking the lead on this. And it enrages me.

Hasan Piker (28:27)

Yeah. Marjorie Taylor Greene should not be the leading voice on this. She should not be outflanking any Democrat on this issue whatsoever. The Democrats are leaving a massive, they're leaving this space and discourse completely void. And it's allowed Republicans to basically capture this issue because they recognize, at least some of these Republicans recognize that this is a way to communicate earnesty, because it's a, it's a 92 to 8% issue at this point in the Democratic Party's base of support. The majority of Republicans don't even support Israel as they once did. You got basically just a base of evangelical Christians who are evangelical Zionists, who are some of the most rabid supporters of Israel. American Jews don't even fuck with Israel like that anymore. And, you know, the Democrats are still seemingly leaving this, this conversation out there for, for the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene to take advantage of to make themselves seem like they're earnest and not grifters.

Pumps (29:30)

Totally. And she is, she's a total grifter. But, you know, we've been keeping an eye on her, and she has been hanging out with Steve Bannon a lot, and they're nuts. But Steve Bannon has good political instincts and he always returns to an economic populist message. Now, does he want to deliver that populism once he gets power? Fuck no. Absolutely not. But he knows that he can use it to lure them in. And Marjorie Taylor Greene, she's figured out how to game the stock system. You know, she's made her money. And I think she is starting to realize that Trump's 95, he's got cankles, you know, clearly has dementia. She's starting to see beyond Trumpism, and she is evolving in a Darwinian style to say, how am I going to survive after this cult? And once the damage and the debris field of all of this that he's done, there is going to be a rise of economic populism. And the Democrats are leaving us so vulnerable.

Hasan Piker (30:34)

No, absolutely they are. I think the real scary person in this league of villains is Tucker Carlson.

Jennifer (30:42)

Really?

Hasan Piker (30:43)

I am. I'm truly terrified of that guy. And the reason why I say this is because he was early. He was an early adopter of the fake populist messaging when he was on Fox News. He was one of the only guys in mainstream news that was actively talking about, like, workers rights and, and how important it is that, like, the right wing actually care about American labor. Right. And Donald Trump in many ways actually adopted that framing when he was talking about why he was going to do a. Tariffs, when he was going to do this tariff strategy, when he was like, oh, we got to revitalize American manufacturing. These kinds of, like, anti NAFTA positioning. This, all of this is actually trade protectionism. It's technically supposed to be like a, like a left wing economic message. Now, of course, the way that Trump is implemented is ridiculous and has been disastrous. But, but I think a lot of that actually stems from not only Steve Bannon, like you correctly identified, but also even someone like Tucker Carlson. And I truly am worried about what he would, what kind of damage he would do if he was actually in charge, if he, if he actually ran for president. Well, you guys won before because they.

Pumps (31:52)

Also have the support of what you called them, Christian Zionists. I called them. I call them rapture preppers because I live in the Bible Belt. And these got. These people are genuinely prepping for the Rapture. And there's. They. This percentage of the population are what leave us most vulnerable, these religious rapture preppers. This is the way Putin Entered is through the prayer breakfast. This is the way everybody gets radicalized to Trumpism. This part of the electorate is the. The worst part of America. I think you may remember during this last election, a guy in France that worked in the French government, he was a politician, said we have to have more independence than waiting every four years to find out how the voters of Wisconsin vote, because other countries are recognizing that we have dipshit problem in America with part of the electorate. And the thing that pisses me off, Hasan, about the Democrats is there's still this, like this that they want to lure some of them their way instead of just saying, look, we need to get new voters. Those people are always going to vote. Right? But there's still this kind of. Like you probably saw when I got into it with Rahm Emanuel, I got in a fight with him and he was trying to, to. To bend, like, say, hey, I don't like trans people either. And I'm like, that's not the way Randy Bershear proved that we don't have to throw any group under the bus. And he got elected in Bible thump in Kentucky, like Mitch McConnell land. And so I don't know why the base, beyond the Israel thing, I don't know why they. They want to if it's just still upholding patriarchal structures or protecting capitalism. But at this stage, I'm so mad as a Democrat. And listen, I was in the tank. I was Hillary. I didn't vote for Bernie, my kid, my oldest son, Brow beat me for that, called me a conservative. And I was that Democrat. Okay? I was that Democrat. And people use the word radicalize, and I don't think that's the right language to what happened to me and what's happening to a lot of white women that look like me. I would say it's being deprogrammed. And this is what pissed me off. The Democrats won. Joe Biden won. And we all saw what happened on January 6th and that got elected again. They should have charged him. They should have. He should be in prison. And I just saw the breathtaking pussy at the core of that party that y' all are playing two different games here. And that's what pissed me off about the Democrats. And I still see that going on right now with the Democratic Party. They're not standing up to him. Like, it's like, come on.

Hasan Piker (34:34)

Yeah, no, that's you. You have to, at some points, punish a child that's misbehaving, otherwise they're never going to learn the right lesson. They're never going to grow up to be a healthy adult. The Democratic Party, on the other hand, is so cowardly, so feckless that they are utterly devoid of any sort of counter messaging campaign. They're, they're just incapable of combating anything that the Trump administration is doing. I have begged consistently Democrat party consultants, the Pod Johns, when I go on their podcast, to be like, the Democrats should behave more like Donald Trump, but with good policy rather than the evil policies that are damaging to the working class that the Republicans present. Damaging to marginalized groups that the Republicans present. Like, you know, taking away women's bodily autonomy, fantasizing about potentially taking away gay marriage, things of that nature. The Democrats should do Trump style politics, but with good policy instead. Oh, we're doing student loan debt relief. What are you going to do about it? Sorry, everyone is actually going to enjoy that. Republicans are going to enjoy that. We're going to do paid family leave. Right. Whether you like it or not. We're going to do health care whether you like it or not. Sorry. Sucks to suck. Oh, you hate free health care. Well, you're going to get it regardless. I think that's how they should legislate in a bold way and also punish people both within their ranks that step out of line for corporate interests. And I'm talking about, of course, Kirsten Sinema and the Joe Manchins of the world who are playing the role of a, of a villain, a revolving, rotating villain within the structure of the Democratic Party whip those votes. Why am I talking about all this? Well, the reason why I'm talking about it is because before I actually met Democrats, before I actually went to the dnc, for example, before I met the consulting class, I always used to think that these guys are just like cynical, amoral monsters who are cold and calculating. They are just simply, you know, actively behaving as the controlled opposition party that they're, they, they know that they have a role to play here in the grand scheme. But American politics is a duopoly, but it's actually uniparty when it comes to a lot of stuff like Israel and foreign policy and even tax cuts and deregulations. And their role is to broadly just stand aside and allow the Republicans to dominate and shift the Overton window further and further to the right. And I thought they were doing that on purpose. And then I met a couple Democrats and then I started meeting their consultants and I realized, oh my God, it's not even that they're just stupid. Like, they literally are so stupid that they Genuinely think. Like when they say, oh, we got to go along and do a song and dance with Liz Cheney. There are some dumb fucks in there who unironically thought that this was a banger. Like, they literally what they were communicating to the TV channels about how, like, we have to hug and kiss Liz Cheney because we have to, like, bring over this mythical moderate Republican voter. When have you met a Republican lately? Like, 90% of the things that they are, you know, 90% of their grievances are just made up. They're hallucinating it. You know what I mean? They're living in an alternative playing field. Like, you're not winning those guys over. They think you're like, like a pedophilic vampire. You know what I mean? They don't think, like, they're not like, oh, wow, reasonable foreign policy. That's why I'm voting for Donald Trump. No, they literally have hallucinated an alternative reality. So they didn't win any of those voters. But. But the intention behind those actions are, I guess, genuine. Genuinely stupid, but genuine nonetheless. So I guess there is, like, there is some, some hope there.

Pumps (38:10)

I do think when you think about the way the base moved the Republican Party so far to the right, we have to be that bold and move our, the politicians that we have right now that far to the left. And none of them are perfect like Gavin Newsom and the what's his name, Charlie Kirk interview. I mean, double thumbs down, annoying as fuck. But what he's doing right now, the cap lock tweet and like acting like, you know, sending that out, those unhinged tweets, kind of like Trump did and threatening to gerrymander. We have the leaders that we have right now. And I mean, here's the thing, Hassan, between you and me, I think, you know, most people would probably rather earn their money on their back than being an elected politician. So these are the guys that we have right now. So I think our best plan, we have to beat up on them. But we also, when they're showing good fight, we have to support them and also continue to move them to the left. Because the people that live in these all MAGA super majority states, the damage is already happening and has been happening. And so I, you know, I share all of your disenchantment, but I think we need to, as a base, keep pushing them. The ones that we have now, the ones that won't push primarium, but the ones that we have, I think they can evolve because look at how quickly the whole Republican Party changed I mean, these guys used to just. I mean, they. I mean, not that long ago in my lifetime, they told Nixon to resign, that they wouldn't support him.

Jennifer (39:42)

You know, they used to think Russia was bad.

Hasan Piker (39:45)

Yeah, well, they were. They had a sense of shame back then, I feel like. I mean, they were still doing a lot of shameless stuff, but there was, like, broadly some. Some level of. Of wanting to preserve. Yeah. Some decorum. Wanting to preserve the sanctity of institutions. Right. Like. Like, at this point, it's just like pure domination. They don't care. They will utilize. They understand the resentment that people have towards these institutions after multiple decades of. Of not getting any progress for anyone in a. In a meaningful manner. So they. They recognize that animosity and they use it. They use it to their advantage to basically pick apart the corpse of America at this point for, like, profits for a couple of their friends. I mean, the President did a. A rug pull meme coin, like, with cryptocurrency. What are we doing?

Pumps (40:30)

I think a lot of us see that what I spoke about earlier, the failure of. In Joe Biden's term, the biggest failure of his term and what that term will always be defined for, regardless of any legislative accomplishment he did. In my opinion, that presidency would be considered a failure because it. It led to not incarcerating Trump and protecting voters and protecting democracy.

Hasan Piker (40:55)

And Gaza. Yeah, right, And Gaza, too.

Pumps (40:58)

Yes. And that. That, like, you know, that left us so vulnerable. And then when you see Zoran Mamdani, like, we're all dying for, like, a savior. Right. And you see this Barack Obama, Riz kind of look, that larger than life kind of celeb politician arrive on stage where you're like, oh, who's this guy? He's good looking. Oh, he's spitting facts.

Hasan Piker (41:21)

By the way, Barack hasn't said anything about Zoron.

Pumps (41:23)

I don't know.

Hasan Piker (41:24)

I know.

Pumps (41:25)

That's my next point. So my next point is then you're like, oh, okay, the Democratic Party, everybody needs to endorse him. And then I see Cory Booker, abject disappointment, puss out on it. I mean, just a total puss. I see Hakeem puss out on it. And you see all of them. And I'm just like. And he's still like, I just saw a poll come out today, Hassan, where he's ahead of Cuomo 20 points. He's getting the Jewish vote. He's getting, you know, the white vote, the minority vote, all the votes. And I'm just like. And I think I'm go Back to.

Hasan Piker (42:00)

He'S winning the conservative vote. Did you know that?

Pumps (42:03)

Yes. And I go back to you. They're stupid. The Democratic. They're stupid. They don't understand. They're all about charts. I mean, these are the same people that thought we're going to spend, what was it, 10 million to learn how to talk to men.

Jennifer (42:13)

20 million learn how to talk to young men. That's what the Democratic think tank debt.

Pumps (42:18)

And what you're saying is how you talk to him. You say you don't like healthcare for everybody. Tough titty, son. You're gonna get it anyway because that's what we stand for. We don't let poor people die. Tough titties. You don't like your student debt being forgiven, fine, we'll exclude your ass and you can pay all the interest. But to not be such pussies and govern like that, it would be incredible. But I don't see it from the Democratic leadership. And I've been so disappointed that Obama and others have endorsed Zoron.

Hasan Piker (42:51)

Yeah. And I think it's by design. And I think Israel is a major reason here. That's it. Because for Zoron, within the limited confines of the New York mayoral race, within the limited powers that he has as New York mayor, he looked at that problem. He went to the voters, he said, what do you, what do you care about? They said, we want better public transit. We want affordable housing. He said, bet I'm going to give that to you. And he ran with those policies and he was uncompromising in his worldview, and he got rewarded for it, People thought. And I think there are still a lot of Democratic consultants that try to claim that Israel is a third rail, that you can't touch, that you can't actually criticize Israel, otherwise everyone will call you anti Semitic. And, and, and then your career is over. You'll never be able to, you'll never be able to get AIPAC money ever again. Oh, no. And, and it turns out the voters rewarded Z. There were so many people, there were so many right wingers that saw that famous, that famous, like four, four of the candidates getting asked like, where would you go after. Yeah, after you win the, the, the, the mayoral race. And they're like, I'm going to the Holy Land. I'm going to Israel. I'm going to Israel a tenth time. I'm going to Israel a fourth time. And this one's like, I'm the mayor of New York. Like, I'm staying in New York. And they were like, do you Hate Israel. Why wouldn't you go to Israel? And that. That actually helped them so much. And this is something that I've been trying to tell politicians. Obviously there are politicians that I'm friends with and friendly with and talk to with regular frequency, but they already know this. We need to stop treating voters like they're. They're incredibly stupid.

Pumps (44:35)

Agreed.

Hasan Piker (44:35)

I think, like, we, we can. We can be honest with voters. We can tell them like, this stuff sucks. I mean, you're seeing the dead children. Nobody likes that.

Pumps (44:44)

Right.

Hasan Piker (44:45)

Why are we giving money to Israel to do that? It's illegal under American law. Even before the genocide. Because that's a word that even Bernie Sanders sometimes is too afraid to call out openly, which, you know, pains me because I love Bernie. But even before that, it's war crimes. It's illegal. Like, Israel has absolutely done war crimes. It's unquestionable. Israel's doing a genocide. That's also unquestionable. But even if you don't want to say that Israel is doing a litany of war crimes, it is illegal for America to give weapons to a country that is doing war crimes.

Pumps (45:19)

For the ethnocentric American voter, you can take the big message that you just took, the right moral message to a deep thinker who wants to absorb that and understand the human rights issues and violations pertaining to it, but to the selfish me, me, me, capitalist, I'm so important American. These Democrats have to take the message that you. And it's not as pure as maybe the leftists want, but it's effective and you have. They have to take a message that says, you don't have health care, but everybody in Israel does. You can't access a college and without massive debt, but everybody in Israel can. Oh, and by the way, all those kids that you're seeing dead, that Ms. Ms. Rachel, the YouTuber is showing you, you're paying for that. And our politicians go ahead and autograph the bombs before they send them over. That kind of language with flyover rural people fighting. And which brings me to something I wanted to talk to you about. So Zoron has been one. Like, I'm like, okay, this is great messaging. But somebody who I thought kind of came out of hiding, that I thought was kind of a good messenger that I enjoyed recently was Hunter Biden.

Hasan Piker (46:33)

I mean, I've always thought he's a very telegenic individual. I've always had a fondness to Hunter Biden for his proclivity towards crack cocaine. The. The incredible stories that come out of his life as far as like, you know, strippers falling in love with him and he's like advocating for prostitutes to unionize and stuff like that. Yeah, there's so many different stories like that. And he's just been like a very charismatic fail son. Everything that the, the Trump children never could be.

Jennifer (47:05)

Right.

Hasan Piker (47:05)

Handsome. He's got a big penis also. And very charismatic. Now, do I think Hunter Biden should be the guy that's like running for office? No, I don't think so. But, but there are, there are real people out there. I think with, with respect to what you said about rural voters and, you know, middle America. Middle America voters and an environment that is ripe to capture. You're absolutely right. With the way that we could be communicating this message. Like, why are we giving. Why is the Texas governor saying it is anti Semitic for towns in Texas to want to take back $4 million in tax revenue that they're sending to Israel so they can spend it on infrastructure hardening so that when, when the inevitable floods and, and you know, chaos that unfolds with natural disaster is, happens, like, they are better protected. They can protect their constituents better. Why is the Trump administration saying, oh, if you want FEMA dollars, you literally have to sign a loyalty pledge to Israel? That's insane. That's not America first at all. What are we talking about?

Pumps (48:14)

What about Sarah Huckabee Sanders tweet where she's talking about the Arkansas Israel connection? Did you see this? Yeah, it was crazy. Yeah, it was just, it's.

Hasan Piker (48:26)

Those are the evangelical nuts, like rapture preppers. Yeah, yeah, there are, there are a lot of them. Right. But like, like, but there are so many more people that look at that. And I think you go, oh, that's weird and gross.

Pumps (48:36)

Like, here's the thing that politicians need to know because we live around rapture preppers. They're also anti Semitic. At the same time, I have. The Jew jokes are constant and non stop in WASP environments. And yes, they will say we're Israel first, but the all of the tropes about, oh, I'm going to Jew him down. I've heard that my entire, entire life from rapture preppers. And they are the most anti Semitic people I know. So that is just an insane way to capture support. But again, these are the people that leave us pray. These are the people that the Israeli government is able to manipulate for support. And these are the same people that Vladimir Putin enters into manipulating through the prayer breakfast.

Hasan Piker (49:22)

I do find that really interesting. Like, the Putin stuff is so strange. To me, because, like, like, these guys hated Russia for years and years, even after the USSR fell, right? And then almost overnight, they like went into a couple telegram groups or a couple Facebook groups, and now they're like, oh, no, actually, Vladimir Putin is invading Ukraine to like stop trans people.

Pumps (49:44)

What?

Hasan Piker (49:45)

Like, how did you arrive at this? Like, how, how were you so easily duped? How can you be so easily convinced by a couple tweaks in the algorithm in a somewhat sophisticated influence peddling operation? But like, it does shock me that they, that something that I thought was, was world defining for a lot of conservatives especially, you're supposed to expect the liberals to be like, oh, no, Russia are our friends, they're a foreign country. But like, let's not fight them. Like, nope, it's the, it's the Republicans who are now saying like, like, Russia is our friend and we should fight Ukraine instead. The country that was invaded. We should fight those guys because they're woken gay, which they're not. I don't know where they got that from either, but they're just like, no, they're Democrats. Ukraine is the, is the Democratic Party country and Russia is the Republican Party country. So they're good. And it blows my mind.

Pumps (50:38)

So much homoeroticism in the Republican Party and so much suppressed sexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality, closet cases. And Vladimir Putin did his topless photo op on top of that horse and they were just frozen.

Hasan Piker (50:54)

I hate to give him that. He did look good on that. He did look. It's cool. I wish, I wish more politicians would do stuff like that.

Pumps (51:01)

Oh my.

Jennifer (51:01)

Please don't tell me Trump is going to get topless. I mean, that is just.

Hasan Piker (51:05)

Oh, no, I hope not so bad. So I hope not because I'll be too turned on. You know, there are people who think he's hot, which is so crazy. That's like one of the things where I'm like, oh, you're like actually hallucinating, right? There's no way ladies at like Trump rallies, yeah, I would want him to grab my pussy. I'm like, oh, what? Like, you think this guy is like, like a sexual dynamo?

Pumps (51:32)

But you know what? This is what's interesting to me. They're all so, like, a lot of the men are so deeply attracted to his aura, to him, but they have to Photoshop right images of him. So you get all this homoeroticism that comes out of MAGA like that. To me, MAGA is the most homoero erotic movement. It's. It's more gay than Pride Month because it's just. They talk about genitals, they're talking about sex. Bathrooms, Bathrooms. It's just unbelievable.

Hasan Piker (52:04)

They're obsessed. Yeah, there they. There is a. There is definitely, like, an unhealthy sexual pathology associated. Like, when they were talking about Trump as daddy, Tucker Carlson went on. I don't know if you ever saw that video where he's like. Like, trump is daddy, and daddy's home. And I was like, you're a grown ass man. What are you saying right now? Like, and. And I don't know where that stems from. And I think I. I think there's, like, a lot of repression, and then there's a lot of, like, straightforward homophobia, queer phobia, things of that nature, of course, like, just, like, pure bigotry. And you can kind of tell, like, you can tell who's the Lindsay Graham in the situation and who's just, like, a straightforward bigot and not even, like, repressing.

Pumps (52:45)

Let's identify. Identify those. Let's. Let's. Okay, Moses, Mike Johnson. Is he a straightforward bigot, or would you say he's the Lindsey Graham?

Hasan Piker (52:55)

No, I don't think he's a closeted gay man, even though I have heard people make this inference. I think he is into, like, weird kink shit, though. Like, I think he's the type of guy who, like, is into BDSM and. Because, like, he. He has that porn app, right? Like, he has the porn watchdog app that him and his son monitor each other's, like, porn consumption to keep one another on the ball. So they're not, like, you know, they're not, like, looking at porn. And to me, it's like, dude, if you have your son doing that for you, you got to be a real freak. You know what I mean? It's just, like, just don't watch porn. What's wrong with you? Or just watch porn. Who cares? Like. But, like, you got. You got your son involved in this. Like, that is. That's crazy. And then he also. Why do we know this? Because he volunteered this information. How crazy is that?

Pumps (53:44)

He told us. You're a real freak with a camera rolling. Okay, what about J.D. vance?

Hasan Piker (53:49)

Ooh, J.D. vance is the interesting one. I think he's just too. I think J.D. vance is. Is. I mean, he's a straight guy, but he's gay for pay. You know what I mean? Like, he. He will do it. Like, he will do it as long as. As long as there's, like, a higher office that he can reach, because he is, like, a real. He he's one of those, like, real sociopathic brown nosers. Like, he knows Trump sucks, but he's.

Pumps (54:14)

In his drag photos right where he had. Is the wig on?

Hasan Piker (54:17)

Well, he was in, you know, he was. Maria.

Pumps (54:20)

Yeah, I just, I always tell pumps, I just envision that he gets home from work and he's like, hi, Usha. And he's like, you know, tells the kids, daddy's got to have time in the bathroom. And I picture him, you know that scene from Silence of the Lambs where they, where the serial killer is, like, putting on makeup and tucking his penis under and, like, dancing. I picture J.D. vance doing that. Something that dark after work.

Hasan Piker (54:43)

I don't, I don't know. I don't. Like I said, I think he's just more so. I peg him as a straight man. But he's, he's definitely experimented. I mean, he was in the Marines. Like, those guys get down, you know, they do wild stuff. It's not even. Until recently, it wasn't even an issue. Donald Trump is, is doing drag alongside Rudy Giuliani. Like that. That is a real, that's real footage that exists out there. Rudolph Giuliani, America's mayor, is in full drag and Donald Trump is, like, fondling his breasts and, like, smelling his breasts and motorboating like fake titties is crazy. That's a real thing that exists. But now they're like, oh, how dare you do drag. You're. You must be a pedophile. Meanwhile, you got, you know, that Utah congress person, state congressperson being like, who. Who automatically is like, oh, if you're queer, you're a pedophile. Ridiculous, insane, hateful statements. And then you have his immediate family member that was a literal pedophile that did statutory rape. He's like, well, that guy's good. We should change the law. Specifically for my immediate relative.

Pumps (55:46)

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Hasan Piker (58:57)

Yes.

Pumps (58:58)

Oh my God. Welcome to Pat it or hit it. I would hit it. Had it. Had it. I hit it every day. Sometimes twice a day.

Jennifer (59:07)

All right.

Pumps (59:08)

Had it or hit it. The anti woke movement.

Hasan Piker (59:10)

Oh, I've had it. Nobody likes cancel culture. Everybody is annoyed by it, right? But nowadays I think I would rather have the most annoying liberals constantly yelling at me for something that I've said that they have like misconstrued as problematic than seeing another like 65 year old hedge fund manager say the R word because they think it's based and cool. This backlash towards woke has gotten so out of control that it's got someone like myself who is known for, you know, saying things that maybe some people don't appreciate, you know, getting out of line every now and then and even getting quote unquote canceled every now and then, begging for woke to come back. I'm saying like, bring woke back. I'll get canceled. We should all get cancelled, world. It's so much better than like, you know, whatever these freaks are doing over at Twitter where they're just like talking about Adolf Hitler in like positive ways. I'm like, no, you should be canceled. There are certain social stigmas that we need to bring back. Like, we need to use shame as a tool against this seemingly unstoppable force of shameless behavior.

Pumps (60:29)

That's what Pumps talks about, the shame all the time.

Jennifer (60:31)

I say it all the time. Like, these people have no shame. They should be publicly shamed. But they don't feel it. They don't realize how. Absolutely. I mean, it's like I've never in my life seen people that have no shame. None.

Hasan Piker (60:46)

Yeah, no, I, I, it's, it's, it's incredible. They wear it as a badge of honor. They almost wear that like backlash as, as a, as a mark of courage where they're like, like, yeah, I must be doing something right because I'm really pissing people off. And it's like, it's like a spoiled child like, oh, I, I, in my diapers and now you have to smell it. And haha, I did this deliberately. It's like, well, okay, you're sitting in your own now. Like you're a grown ass adult sitting in your own. What do you mean? You're not owning anybody but yourself in this situation, buddy. And, and we need to like remind people of that because for, you know, all of my disagreements with Tim Waltz, I think like one of the things that he did very well in the early stages of the campaign and that immediately was back pocketed was like calling the Republicans weird. Like weirdos.

Pumps (61:34)

They're, they're like, to bully conservatives. We need to, we need to make that, we need, they need to be bullied. They bully us all the time. And I think we need to normalize bullying MAGA and bullying the shit out of them because it's just, you know, and I agree. And then if by bullying them we get canceled, then okay, we'll check ourselves and get out of cancel jail at a later D. Yeah. Until then, we have to have all hands on deck. Okay. Hasan had it or hit it. Thirst traps.

Hasan Piker (62:01)

Ooh Ooh, this is gonna hit me hard. I mean, of course, I can't. I can't say this right after that GQ article that just came out.

Jennifer (62:11)

You look great.

Pumps (62:12)

Speak of daddy. Right there.

Hasan Piker (62:16)

Oh, it's embarrassing.

Pumps (62:18)

You have to.

Jennifer (62:19)

Well, you look great.

Pumps (62:19)

You have to say hidden. You know, Poms has a huge crush on you.

Jennifer (62:22)

He knows that. He knows that. That I'm old enough to be his grandmother, but he knows that.

Pumps (62:26)

Not grandmother.

Hasan Piker (62:27)

Maybe, maybe, maybe sister.

Pumps (62:28)

Yeah, he's charming, too.

Jennifer (62:31)

Smart, charming.

Pumps (62:32)

Hassan. Had it or hit it. A J.D. vance coup.

Hasan Piker (62:37)

Oh, my God. No, I. I think that would also be devastating. So I've. I've had it.

Jennifer (62:44)

But don't you think that he's plotting, like, he keeps. Oh, for sure, I. I think he's plotting. There's no question about it.

Hasan Piker (62:51)

Yeah. No, he. He has been noticeably absent in the conversation when it comes to the Epstein stuff. If you realize, like, he. He stays out of stuff like that because I think he's always, like, in a. In a. Let's wait and see. He. He approaches everything with, like, a. Let's wait and see where this goes. And I think eventually, I think it's partially because, like, he wants to use the existing momentum of, like, the Trump train for his inevitable pathway into the White House. But. But I think if given the opportunity, he would. Oh, my God, he would. He would have a Brutus moment. He would shank Donald Trump so hard. Which is rewarding for sure for only a brief moment, because I do think that he is backed by some of the most rapacious freaks out there, like the Peter Thiels and the Curtis Yarvins of the world. Like those guys. Like the. The Silicon Valley techno monarch attitude that they have is. Is so alarming.

Jennifer (63:56)

Yeah.

Pumps (63:56)

It's terrifying. And this. See, here's my thing. I know you said that you didn't, and I. No pun intended. I know on your part, you said you didn't peg J.D. vance as being gay. I kind of do, because this is my theory, and our listeners have heard it. Think about pre Silicon Valley, JD Vance, hillbilly elegy. He had no eyeliner. He was a little chubby. He was a little frumpy. He called Trump Americus Hitler. And then he goes out to Silicon Valley and he hangs out with Peter Thiel, who everybody knows is out of the closet, and that comes back yassified and psychotic. I mean, he got queer eyed Peter Thiel. Queer eyed. Him. He looks. You can tell.

Hasan Piker (64:43)

I think he's just a robot. Like I, I do legitimately think like, he'll play any role necessary fair. He's certainly a smart guy too. He's not like a stupid person by any means. But I, I also think he's too invested in like being cool.

Jennifer (64:59)

Right?

Hasan Piker (64:59)

Like, this is a known secret and I'm surprised that more people haven't brought this up. But like, J.D. vance is in like some very questionable chat groups on Twitter with like teenagers. What, talking to like, yeah, there he's talking to like, like Twitter. He, he follows a bunch of white supremacist accounts on Twitter. And like some of those guys are war teens when J.D. vance was in the chat groups with them. Like, he's gone on ridiculous podcasts. Like even more ridiculous than like Donald Trump going on Alex Jones, right? Because Alex Jones is still like a mainstream figure. Like he'll go on like super random Peter Thiel backed podcast Guess. And, and, and that's where a lot of the, the stuff about him like treating women as like brood mayors came from. Because he would just like go on those podcasts and be like, yeah, women should just stay at home and, and you know, and, and keep breeding so that like the American destiny can unfold. Right? Like, stuff like that that he was saying, he was saying at those podcasts because he thought that that was like the meta that he thought that was the cool thing to say in those groups. Loops. So he is, he, he, he plays every side of the field and he will pick whatever, whatever movement will, will back him at the end. And I think it's going to be like the, the Peter Thiels of the world. But as far as, like, his sexual proclivity is, you know, his activities goes. I just, I think like I said, at most J.D. vance will be gay for pay. If it's an, if it's an opportunity for him to like, for career advancement, he'll do it for sure.

Pumps (66:34)

Do you think that. Okay, let's say, let's just one final thing and then we'll let you go. I want to run a hypothetical case. All right. Trump's cankles cause blood clot drops dead.

Hasan Piker (66:47)

Oh my God.

Pumps (66:48)

J.D. vance is sworn in the MAGA base. Okay, first of all, there would be, you know, conspiracy theories, all this, this stuff. Can J.D. vance, you know, calm and keep the MAGA base tethered to him? No, no, I agree.

Hasan Piker (67:04)

No, I don't think anyone can. I. I think we see this with like charismatic, strong men. They're, they're, they're second in command or whoever. Like the, the Continuation of the movement is, Never ends up winning over the entire base. I mean, look at Chavez versus Maduro. It's just like it's a, it's a similar, it's a similar example where Donald Trump is a. That's why I call him like white man's Barack Obama. Like, Donald Trump is a uniquely charismatic figure that speaks to the frequency of white supremacists in a way that no one has ever been able to do and no one will ever be able to do. You will never have another zesty New York billionaire real estate developer who loves Broadway musicals. Go to West Virginia and talk about how Graydon Carter is a. And Vanity Fair parties are no longer hot. And you got like, you know, former coal miners sitting there and be like, yeah, Graydon Carter is a Mr. President. They don't. You don't know who that is, right? What are you talking about? Why do you care about this? You know, and that speaks to Trump's cult like figure, his cult like figurehead status. This and, and how he's been able to keep these guys captivated. And, and part of that is because of the policies that he correctly is, is able to get people to pay attention to, you know, the, the villains that he has presented. But a big part of that is, is his, uh, telegenic, uh, nature. And I don't think J.D. van. I think J.D. van is too much of a nerd. He was very unlike. He was intensely disliked, liked in the campaign. He was actually seen as a burden to Donald Trump, and we forget that. Why was he seen as a burden? Because he's the guy who is supposed to be Trump's attack dog for liberal media. He can speak the language of liberals. But I think a lot of Republicans, especially in the MAGA base, don't want that. It just comes across as, like, fake. It comes across as phony. I always say, like Pete Buddha J. And J.D. vance are the type of people that middle America knows very well. Well, when those guys come into your town, you know, layoffs are about to happen. The McKinsey consultant types, they come in with a smile on their face, and then you lose your job because they had to eliminate redundancy. So people are very, people are very aware of, of who J.D. vance is, I think. And, and therefore, I don't believe that he'll be able to whip up the same base of support. Because, because it's not just about being able to put on a show, you know, putting on the vest and maybe the snakeskin boots and just being like, I'm A real American. Or look at how racist I can get. Like, there is a. Donald Trump has been able to hit that frequency so perfectly without compromising, and he was able to communicate earnestly to some of the worst people on the planet.

Jennifer (69:57)

Yeah.

Pumps (69:58)

Yeah, that's true. He was. All right. Hassan, we love you. You know, you were our first. First famous podcast fan ever.

Hasan Piker (70:05)

That's crazy. You guys have been killing it. I see the. I see the clips all the time. And I love when. I love when people that don't know who you guys are will be like, wow, look at these, like, liberal wine moms saying crazy stuff. I'm like, no, they've been there. They know. They know. They're. They're. They've been at this fight for a minute now, you know, But I don't. I don't let them know because I feel like that's a part of the marketing. Right.

Pumps (70:29)

Yeah.

Hasan Piker (70:29)

Where it's like, we learned they first encounter you first.

Pumps (70:32)

They Google where were Jen and pumps on January 6th? Right. You know, before they spend any time. Did they work at Fox News? They look kind of Fox. You know, I'm kind of getting Fox News vibes. It's a whole part of the, you know, of our spell that we. That we're casting on white women across the country.

Hasan Piker (70:48)

We're doing it together, right? Like, I got the. The bro types who would normally be captivated by the manosphere. So when people look at me, they go like, oh, this guy, like, he. He likes to. To lift weights and. And I don't know, he seems kind of broy to me. Like, is he a misogynist? And then, you know, and then people maybe tune into that frequency a little bit better. Like, people that otherwise could easily be duped by the likes of Andrew Tate then come in and watch me. And you got the liberal wine moms who are. Are like, well, yeah, these are. These gals. I. I identify with them. Like, they're just shooting the. And. And, you know, they're saying the right things. So it's this. It's this unique coalition that we're. We're building in base of. Bases of support that the Democrats have lost. And white women.

Pumps (71:35)

I'll tell you what I have. I've had young men has. We have the gay trios. We have a huge LGBTQIA plus community audience, and we call them the gay Treas. But I'll tell you what. Women, White women, Women love gay men, and gay men love white women. So it's a great alliance. So I think we Keep tag teaming this Hassan. I hope we make it to the 2026. I hope everything's not militarized by then. I'm sincerely worried about it. That's not hyperbole.

Hasan Piker (72:03)

Oh, yeah, no, for sure.

Pumps (72:04)

But we love you and it's so good to have you on. I want to. The next time you come, I want you to come to the Bible Belt and I want Marsh to come and just feel. I want to take you to a, like a cowboy steak restaurant. Because I know that for you it's being in the middle of.

Hasan Piker (72:22)

Yeah, I've been, I've been to Oklahoma a bunch. My brother used to live in Oklahoma when he worked at Boeing. So I, I'm, I'm very familiar, remember with the, with your former governor Mary Fallon and everything.

Pumps (72:32)

She sucked.

Hasan Piker (72:34)

National Oil Field Prayer day, baby. That's, that's my goat.

Pumps (72:40)

My goat. All right, Hassan, bye. We love you.

Jennifer (72:43)

Bye. Thanks, Hassan.

Hasan Piker (72:44)

Love you guys. Keep up the great work. Bye.

Pumps (72:46)

Okay, bye. By, I mean, he's so smart, he's deeply attractive.

Jennifer (72:53)

He's so smart, he's so deeply attractive. He's so well spoken, he's built. I mean, I'm just looking at him the whole time thinking, you're like the full package, dude.

Pumps (73:02)

Let me tell you what I like about Hassan is he's not one of these titty baby liberals that's monitoring, correcting people all the time. He's you liberal. And he's open to saying, hey, sometimes I mouth off and I might say the wrong thing, Cancel my ass and I'll work my way out of the. Cancel isolation because his heart's in the right place. And I think the message with the Hassan's and us of the world is we're fighting for the right thing. We're open to you calling us out. But in the time that we're trying to get the fascist out of the government, if people are 90% on your side, don't check them. Check the fascists instead.

Jennifer (73:38)

Right.

Pumps (73:38)

You know?

Jennifer (73:39)

Right. There's plenty of things you can be bitching about. We've got to coalesce. I mean, if I'm willing to swallow the whole Charlie Kirk trance thing, because Gavin Newsom seems to be the only real fighter on the national stage.

Pumps (73:54)

Like, I mean, well, here's the thing. It's. You don't have to support somebody 100%. Right. Like, I didn't like when he did that. That's the thing about Trump. All the Trump supporters say, well, I think his tweets are crazy, but I really like him. Right. I think that grabbing by the pussy comment was kind of weird, but I can't kind of like him. So the liberals need to take or progressives need to take a mindset that that Charlie Kirk interview was bullshit. But he's fighting the fight right now, by God. I'm gonna. I'm gonna regram, retweet, I'm gonna do all this stuff because he's out there. He's putting himself out there. You don't have to like 100% of a politician or 100% of a politician's actions. In fact, I think it'd be weird if you did.

Jennifer (74:34)

I totally think it's weird if you do.

Pumps (74:36)

Right.

Jennifer (74:36)

That's what. Why you have Trump and you know all the things. Thanks.

Pumps (74:40)

All right.

Jennifer (74:40)

Thanks to Hasan Piker. He is beautiful. And here's our book. We have our tooth model, Jennifer modeling this and Pumps.

Pumps (74:49)

I just want to tell you all one thing. The very first time we ever met Hassan. Oh, his Hasan messaging. The very first time Pumps met Hasan, we arrived at his house and she's like, oh, my God, you're hot. And I couldn't help it. It just came out right out of the gates. Mrs. Robinson. And then we hung out with Hasan at the dnc and she would just march right up to him. She goes, just, hasan, you're just so handsome. Yeah.

Jennifer (75:12)

And we'd get a picture and he'd be standing next to me.

Pumps (75:14)

I'd be like, no, no, no, no, no.

Jennifer (75:16)

I want a full arm around. I want people to.

Pumps (75:17)

Oh, yes. She made him that we're a couple. She did. I did.

Jennifer (75:22)

I mean, he's that cute.

Pumps (75:23)

I forgot that you did that. That's so cute. He is. I love him. He is the best. And Will and Austin that he does.

Jennifer (75:31)

The other podcast with, they're fabulous.

Pumps (75:32)

Fabulous.

Jennifer (75:33)

It's a great group. It really is.

Pumps (75:34)

Pumps.

Jennifer (75:35)

Tell them we will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

Pumps (75:40)

I'll tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that. Listen up, patriots, gatriots and matriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called I Hip News. It's Monday through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political political landscape of the United States of America. Always served with a side of petty grievances.

Jennifer (76:05)

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