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Co-host 1
So are we supposed to start the podcast?
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Jennifer
Patriots, Gay Trots, they Black Trio, Brown Trio, and the people who marginalize them can off. All right, listen up. We have another amazing guest today and her name is Crystal Ball. She is the co host of Breaking Points and the co host of Kyle.
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Co-host 1
And Friends because her husband pumps just.
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Jennifer
Found out a few minutes ago is Kyle of secular talk, Crystal Ball, who I thought his parents were for sure hippies that named her Crystal Ball that had crystals and wind socks and all sorts of stuff. Crystal Ball. Welcome to I've had it.
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Crystal Ball
Thank you, ladies. It is an honor to be here. Very hard to follow in Joy Reid's footsteps. I have to say.
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Jennifer
She's.
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Co-host 2
She's pretty amazing.
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Jennifer
She's pretty great. Okay, Crystal, you and I met in. I was on your podcast and then we spent the day together at the.
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Crystal Ball
US Open, which was great.
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Jennifer
It was so great. Have a love of tennis. And we spent some time with Torre. Your former friend. Not former friend. Your current friend.
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Crystal Ball
I was like, what happened?
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Co-host 2
What's this?
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Jennifer
What's the beef?
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Crystal Ball
You would be very upset to hear that. Yes. No. Current friend, former co host. Back when we were at Ms. Now or whatever the thing is called now. Enjoy. Obviously, Joy and I know each other from there as well, so a few MSNBC refugees here.
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Jennifer
Yeah. All right. So Crystal, what have you had it with?
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Crystal Ball
I have had it with AI Slope. Who asks for this crap? It's already being used by a bunch of reactionary politicians, people like Trump, of course, and Andrew Cuomo. The data centers that they're building out for this thing are already like sucking up all the water. They're spiking everybody's electricity bills. The grand plan, apparently, is to steal everybody's jobs and potentially end all of human civilization. So I am not a fan.
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Co-host 2
I'm scared of it. I don't. And I'm not able to distinguish Sometimes, like, is this AI? Is this real? I have to ask our executive producer, because I really don't know. And I get sucked in a lot. I'm not embarrassed to admit it because it's hard. It's really hard.
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Crystal Ball
Everybody does. No, everybody does. Look, I mean, the thing that I actually find the hardest to distinguish right now is I love, like anybody else, a good, cute animal video. And they will mix in the real ones with the AI ones. And oftentimes I can't tell the difference. So you have people taken in by, you know that you have people taken in by a bunch of the political stuff already. And I think it's sort of intentional to destabilize reality so that these tech oligarchs can control what we think and what we know about the reality of the world.
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Jennifer
Don't you feel like I feel somewhat conned and scammed if I see a. For example, there were these videos of these French bulldogs, AI doing these dives, like really dynamic, like Olympic style dives. And those were really fun because you knew they weren't real. It was obvious that a French Bulldog with 1 inch long legs could not do a triple pike, whatever it is. But then you. I see someone, I'm like, oh, my God, these puppies are so cute. And then my son will tell me, mom, that's AI. And I feel so, like, scammed. I feel like a part of me, like, I don't. I don't want to like something fake. And then I just read this article, you guys, that there is. I don't know if it's Amazon or where it is. They're cranking out 3,000 weekly AI podcasts. Have you heard about this?
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Crystal Ball
Oh, my God, I did not hear about that. I know that there's more AI news content on the web now than there is real content. So we're already living in this world. You're already having, you know, many fewer jobs for kids coming out of college. So the job displacement is here as well. And if you listen to the guys who are designing this stuff, they will tell you their goal is to eliminate all human labor. So while Trump and the right wingers and all of MAGA are telling us, oh, the problem is the immigrants, they're taking your jobs. The reality is they're pumping up these tech oligarchs who love, literally want to replace everyone and announce that publicly as their goal.
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Jennifer
Let's just stay with that for a beat. So basically, the Elon Musk's, the Jeff Bezos, the Peter Thiels, they want Their robots, their AI, which they tend to own most of, to take over all of these jobs.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah. And they effectively bought this presidency. You know, that's, I think, really what Elon's hundreds of millions of dollars are. He's the one that picks J.D. vance to be Vice president. You remember at the inauguration, they were all surrounding Trump. They've gotten all of their deregulation. Right now Republicans are trying to make it so that states cannot regulate AI at all. Like, this is at the core of what his presidency actually is, is selling out to these tech oligarchs who effectively want to get rid of democracy and have themselves in control of everything. And their big bet for that is AI. I mean, they're spending. Expecting to spend trillions of dollars on the data center, build out our entire economy is a bet on this crap. And so the AI slop is just like the visible manifestation of where this is all headed.
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Jennifer
Crazy.
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Co-host 2
I didn't realize until recently how much power from the power grid these AI centers took and how much water, like environmentally alone. It's a huge concern just with all the resources that they're taking from other people. But I guess if they're going to replace all the people, they don't give a shit.
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Crystal Ball
Shocking. Yeah, no, they don't care. It's actually anti. Like, you guys talk a lot about the religious right and conservative Christians, whatever. Like, it's actually anti creation is what Naomi Klein says about it. Because you, you're sucking up all of the resources that humanity needs in order to create this sort of shadow world based on all of our ideas and ultimately to fundamentally supplant and replace humanity. That's the plan. And it sounds insane when you say it, but that's literally how they explain what the plan is. I mean, the good side. And I don't know if you guys feel this. I feel like in general, the Trump presidency is extremely weakened right now. Yes, huge backlash against him in the elections. You see even some of the Republicans like Marjorie Taylor Greene starting to revolt. But an undercurrent of these election results was backlash against these data centers and the way they've spiked electricity bills in Georgia, those statewide races that shifted like 30 points towards Democrats. That was about electric bills and how they expensive they are in Virginia. It's been a huge issue as well. So at least there's some sort of public awareness and pushback that's starting to grow.
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Jennifer
So I think there's a through line between the oligarchs that you talk about and the Christian nationalists, like the Moses, Mike Grinder, Johnson's the Heritage Foundations. Obviously these oligarchs, with the exception of Peter Till, who has this weird obsession with the Antichrist and the Rapture, but we'll leave that there. But in general, they're not super religious people like the Heritage foundation, you know, white Christian nationalists are. But one of your grievances we emailed before is men being mad at us for not wanting to vote away our own rights. And I think the through line from the Heritage foundation to the oligarchs to, to Trump is misogyny. That's the one thing they all have in common. And you hear all the time, every time I turn on the news, open my phone, rise in anti Semitism, rise in anti Semitism, I'm like, okay, can we also talk about the rise of misogyny and sexism? Even the New York Times is participating in it.
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Crystal Ball
Well, how is the, how's the Sharia law going in New York, ladies? I tell you? So first of all, I don't know if you guys saw after those election results, all of these freaks, a bunch of like, right wing evangelical types, they saw that young women voted 80% for Democrats, including, you know, 80% for Zoran Mamdani, and they were like, we have to make it so these women can't vote anymore. Like, no. Where did we go wrong? What did we do? How can we win them back? Maybe, you know, maybe we shouldn't be trying to take all their rights or like, hate them for existing. Maybe we should rethink some of. No, it was, we need to make sure that these women cannot possibly vote again. And I was actually at my son's soccer tryout last night, and I was thinking about you guys, because I heard this guy talking about how New York women had just voted in sharia law and 80% of them supported this. First of all, this is insane. Second of all, if you really believe that, like, what would it say about the Republican Party that the choice was Sharia law or the Republican Party? I'll take the Sharia, thank you. 80%. Like Sharia hands down, no question.
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Jennifer
But great point. But you know, Crystal, the, the most, the party that I see that wants to institute a Sharia law type structure on women is maga. Super majorities in red states. In our state, I think it's ranked 50th for women to live, Oklahoma, dead last. And so it's amazing to me that I saw this whole, like, somebody put together like a hype reel of Fox News talking about the Republicans purging all These Democratic voters, and they sit there, these women who have careers, particularly Laura Ingram, who has a career, she's unmarried, she has children, etc, and she sits there and tells women, your path to happiness is to be homemaker and stay at home and quit shoot, you know, chasing your career. So the stupidity that they treat us with, that they think we're so stupid as that, oh, Laura Ingram can have a job, but we can't. It's so insane.
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Crystal Ball
Well, and have you heard them talking about this concept of suicidal empathy or toxic empathy?
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Co-host 2
Yes.
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Crystal Ball
This idea that, like, oh, the fact that we, oh, I don't know, care about immigrants or care about Palestinian children being murdered with our tax dollars in gaz, that this empathy is somehow bad and toxic. And they apply that to, you know, to look at women voting for Democrats and like, oh, it's because of their suicidal empathy. It's because of their toxic empathy. And like, first of all, having empathy, that seems like a pretty basic. My understanding of what a Christian value is.
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Jennifer
Right.
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Crystal Ball
That's number one. Number two, like, this is also self preservation when you're trying to take our way around, when you're literally out there, like, I don't understand why these women won't vote for us. Let's take away their right to vote. Seems like it's also self preservation to maybe vote against the Republicans at this point.
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Co-host 2
I think that what I have found, the most exposed part of MAGA is growing up in a hyper evangelical family. And now everything that they told you in Sunday school, be good to the poor, all of the things when I have asked straight up, do you not have empathy for these people? No, we don't have empathy. And I think it sucked, the empathy from people. And now it's toxic. It's stunning. It is stunning that somebody can say, I follow Jesus Christ.
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Co-host 2
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Jennifer
It is.
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Co-host 2
It is stunning to me.
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Jennifer
But it's not new.
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Co-host 2
No, it's just so exposed now. Yeah, it's so exposed.
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Jennifer
It is so exposed.
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Crystal Ball
Remember, right after Trump was inaugurated, they did that, like, whatever prayer service at the National Cathedral, and they had a woman here there who was the minister, and she gave a sermon where she included some comments about having empathy effectively for the least of these. I don't remember the specific language, but it was about the immigrant and it was about transgender people and the looks on their faces, including J.D. vance, who's like this big Catholic, you know, and how disgusted they were and how the right was horrified that this minister had asked them to have empathy and care and compassion for some of the groups that have been directly targeted by maga and obviously in this administration have been directly under attack by maga. I thought it was one of the more revealing moments about the ideology at the core of MAGA and what this has all become.
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Co-host 2
The fucking Pope is coming out against the United States government and then Trump administration. He's American. And I mean, I am not giving any credit to Catholics, but I'm just saying, like, that's how bad it is.
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Jennifer
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Jennifer
The Christian nationalist movement. You know when you track it back, it's rooted in KKK racism and it it continues. And I have always known, being an atheist raised in the Bible belt, that these people were cruel. They demeaned the poor, they demeaned the sick. They felt they were Entitled to things that, that other people, their neighbors or people that look different from them weren't entitled to. When Trump won, my mother, I mean, just absolute unapologetic atheist. She said, finally somebody is going to. She's from Dallas, is Jennifer. Finally somebody is going to expose these damn evangelicals for the hypocrites I always knew they were, which is Trump. So he exposed it. But we knew back when Reagan was president, they were all full of shit. They were racist, they wanted money, and they, you know, their faith was something that they hid behind so that they could justify all of their entitlement. And now that he's exposed them, they just kind of sunbathe in their hypocrisy and flex it. And I think that's the part where I'm just like, oh, now y' all just own being hypocrites. There's this. Some girlfriends of mine that still live in Oklahoma City sent me these text screenshots of an Instagram story. So there's this mega church based in Oklahoma City called Life Church, and its sole purpose is to expand and make more churches. More churches, more churches. And the, you know, the megachurch pastor wears the, you know, he has the walking microphone, he's got the dunk table. Britain, Spears, Mike, the light shows stylist, A stylist. Just obnoxious us all get out. Huge MAGA guy, right? And so while all of this stuff is going on, you have kids that are getting taken from their parents or parents getting taken from their kids with people in masks. You have the president fighting to keep SNAP benefits from poor people. You have Moses, Mike Grinder Johnson fighting to make sure that poor people don't get Medicaid. So what they're doing at Life Church, which now I think they're in like 11 states, and it's just a hideous moral rod of a church. They on Instagram are saying, we just have our 1 billionth Bible app episode Download. And it shows this huge arena with all these Christians in there with the light show and the rock band. And I just thought that is exactly what I view these evangelical Christians as. Like, what a moment right now that you could be speaking out for all of these marginalized people, but instead you're in it an overpriced auditorium with horrible architecture because at least the Catholics had the decency to have nice architecture.
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Co-host 1
Right?
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Crystal Ball
True.
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Jennifer
And these foe, you know, these ridiculous rock bands. And y' all are celebrating a Bible Download app and you're doing absolutely no good. And you're performatively posting that on Instagram so that you don't have to think about how up your sect of Christianity is that you openly celebrate and thumb your nose at every teaching that your alleged lord and personal savior is supposed to prompt you to do it. The hypocrisy in the religious right in the Bible Belt, it makes me insane.
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Crystal Ball
It just insane. You're right, though, about the way that many people are being exposed right now by this Trump administration, including, I mean, I think the Epstein files stuff.
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Co-host 1
Right.
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Crystal Ball
Just is incredibly revealing. Right? And exposes the way that they wanted to use this when they thought it was politically convenient. And they ignored the fact that Donald Trump was close friends with Jeffrey Epstein for a literal decade. They ignored the fact that he acted guilty as hell whenever he got asked about Ghislaine or whenever he got asked about releasing the Epstein files, suddenly he was not so sure that disclosure was the right move. Right? Ignored all of that because they thought in their partisan brains this would just be about Democrats. And so now here we are, and some of the people like Cash Patel, who made a career and a living off of talking about releasing the Epstein files, is there in the position of power, and suddenly it's nothing to see here. Case closed. He killed himself. Don't worry about it. And all of them acting so incredibly guilty. You know, it's the one issue where I've actually seen the MAGA base take on serious water in dissent from Donald Trump. I mean, he is underwater on his handling of this one issue with his own voters. And I've genuinely never seen that before because it typically is so cultish, but because they were so hardline about, you know, I mean, the reality is this was this global pedophile ring of elites because they were so hardline about releasing those. And they saw Donald Trump, in their mind as some hero who was gonna expose all the traitors and have this sort of like, moral cleansing. I think it's been genuinely difficult for them to deal with and have had to reckon somewhat with the way that this man is just a con artist who lied to you and is himself so directly implicated in all of this.
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Jennifer
It's. It's stunning. It's really, really stunning that so many people, when I've lived in this religious culture. And I want to get your take on it, too, Pumps and. And they claim that they love children and family so much, are just so morally out to lunch on this Jeffrey Epstein issue. It is just a level of willful blindness and willful denial in this cancer that is MAGA that they have no problem throwing anybody under the bus for this power. And for some of the electorate, the power has become so such a caricature of what power is for some people in the electorate. And it sounds so crazy, but genuinely, I think for some people it's just to bully liberals. They like it, it's become their whole absolutely identity is owning the libs and bullying liberals. They don't believe anything other than demeaning liberals. Even, you know, people of same color. It's become so toxic. And the, when I think about the power that the tech oligarchs have and that we started this with them doing AI and I think about, and I'm sure you get this too, you get these death threats and online trolls and we have these nameless faceless people and or bots that get into your phone and dox you and all of these things. And typically you would go to government for a remedy for that. This needs regulation. Our kids are not safe. We are not safe. We have these no name, no face people threatening sexual violence, threatening assault against us. And that's something that government would help remedy. And so I, Fox News covered me for a couple days in a row. They real mad about something, whatever. So I get all this happen a.
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Crystal Ball
Few times, Jennifer, to be fair.
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Jennifer
So they start giving, they're jealous. So they start giving me all, I start getting all these death threats. And I thought, well, who am I supposed to call? Cash Patel. Like are they going to care? But this is hilarious, you guys. Within the threats people are reporting me at Cash Patel. You need to check her out.
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Crystal Ball
Oh my God.
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Jennifer
Patel. It's like one, one post is like, you know, I hope you get Charlie Kirk. And then below that, hey, at Cash Patel, you need to look into her. And it's the same person. And I'm like, you just had a crime. How do we, what is going on here? Like what the fuck?
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Crystal Ball
I mean, and even if you had committed some kind of a crime, it's not like anyone would have any confidence that Cash Patel would be the person to deal with any actual criminality because he's also the most like pathetically incompetent, embarrassing person I have seen. Zero. That's the other thing is like our fascism is so embarrassing and incompetent as well, you know, so embarrassing. Real Team 6 rolling into cities like our fascists. Remember when they did their military parade and I was thinking like, oh my God, this is going to be this like fascist display of power and force and then it's some rickety 60 year old tank squeaking down the street.
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Jennifer
I was furious because I was like, are you kidding me? All the shit that we've had to listen to and all the elections we've had to lose because we had to spend money on the military and this is what's rolling out. Are you kidding me right now?
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Co-host 1
We.
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Jennifer
I mean, at least they should have hired, like Hollywood to come out and do it. At least we have that. No, it was bad. But. Okay, let's gossip for a second. Cash Patel and the girlfriend.
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Crystal Ball
Right.
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Jennifer
Okay, I've read and I haven't really deep dived into it as much as I need to because there's so like the blow job and there's so many other things.
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Co-host 2
Who's Bubba?
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Jennifer
Drawing my attention, so I wasn't sure.
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Crystal Ball
What blow job you were referring to. Yeah, I got it now.
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Jennifer
The one King gave to Bubba. So. But Cash Patel's girlfriend, you know, he got it. He used a PJ to go watch her sing country and western somewhere. And then he tweeted that she was a great American and she had done more. She's like 26, she's done more for America than, you know, millions of Americans that I know that somehow she's this incredible patriot. And then I've also seen that somehow she's like a. A super Israel, like, spy that's honey potted him. I don't know if that's true or not. But now I've also read that he. She has FBI security detail on her. And this is just the girlfriend, not the wife. Crystal, what do you know about this girlfriend of Cash Patel?
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Crystal Ball
I mean, that's pretty much. You pretty much summarized it. I think people with the honey pot thing are just looking at him and looking at her and going.
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Co-host 2
That's what I was like. There's no way that this is a.
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Crystal Ball
Couple in real life.
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Co-host 2
There's just no way.
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Crystal Ball
I think that's. That's where that. And then I do think she was like a Prageru influencer. She's definitely super pro Israel. So that's. That's where that, you know, that just asking questions came from. But yeah, I mean, he's spending. The same man who went after the previous FBI director for his use of the private jet. And that's fine. Like, I agree with that. I don't think taxpayer dollars should be used for frivolous purposes. But this same man, now that he holds the office, is using the private jet to fly to her stuff and fly her back home and use FBI taxpayer dollars to run her security detail, etc. And then it's just insulting for him to come out and be like, she's a country music sensation and she's the greatest patriot, and she's done more for America than anyone ever could. Again, embarrassing, frankly. And, you know, my show, Breaking Points. I have.
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Jennifer
Have.
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Crystal Ball
I'm on with Sagar. He's ideologically more on the right, you know, certainly than I am, but he's more right wing, so our audience can be somewhat diverse. And hating Kash Patel and thinking that he is the most incompetent man on the planet is like a unifying moment for anyone who's a Ted Cruz. Oh, Ted Cruz would be as well, I think Ben Shapiro. There's a number of characters that would fall into that category for sure.
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Jennifer
Okay, Ben Shapiro. So let's talk about that. I thought, okay, after Charlie Kirk died, he was like, I'm gonna take over Turning Point. And I was like, never happened, Larry. There's no way that is going to happen. His. His voice. And then I just can't get ever over the time that he said on with cameras recording him, that he was so confused about Cardi B's song oh, God as a Pussy, that he had spoken to his wife about it, who was a physician, because he couldn't understand why she would sing about this. And his wife told him that it was some sort of medical condition. And then I realized, oh, that's what's wrong with these people. They don't know how to. Right.
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Co-host 2
They never had orgasm.
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Crystal Ball
He's never been around the problems.
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Co-host 1
Wet ass.
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Crystal Ball
You know, I mean, that was. That was an iconic moment, if we're being honest.
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Co-host 2
He was so serious.
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Crystal Ball
Totally, completely serious. My wife says that, like, oh, my God. But, you know, I mean, Shapiro, it's interesting right now, you guys following all the, like, Fuentes fallout and all of that sort of stuff. And, like, Nick Fuentes, genuine neo Nazi, genuinely hates Jews, talks about, like, the threat of organized Jewry, says he likes Hitler, was buddy, buddy with Kanye. I mean, all this stuff, like, horrific, racist, overtly racist human being, right? Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and these other characters think that they have the moral high ground in order to, you know, criticize Nick Fuentes, which, again, this is a disgusting human being who literally likes Hitler. But you guys were good with all of the other racism, all of the racism. And Dinesh d', Souza, too. You were good with all of the racism until it came for your particular identity group you affiliate with. And then when it was about Jewish people in Israel, then Ben Shapiro speaks up with Dinesh d'. Souza. When it's suddenly. When, you know, the Indian hate is just. Just out of control. Disgusting. Right. What's coming out of this movement now? He draws the line and it's like, no, the logical endpoint of Christian nationalism is that nobody, anybody who isn't a white Christian is going to be in the out group. Like that is what your movement is about. Stephen Miller is in the White House doing a white nationalist policy, and they call him the Prime Minister because he's so powerful. And so. So where did you think that this was going to go? You have embraced these principles, and this is the logical endpoint, which is exactly why you have this genuine neo Nazi who is now one of the most popular figures on the right.
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Jennifer
It's in. It's utterly insane. So they call Stephen Miller the Prime minister.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah, Internally they call him the Prime Minister. Okay. But let's talk about the.
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Jennifer
Talk about the psychology of him. He's Jewish, but he seems kind of Nazi. Like, I'm just gonna say it. I mean, he seems like he's a student of that movement. And that's just my opinion. It's. And then you have his family members who have said Jewish people that are just appalled by his actions. And then, of course, we all saw his wife's stage five meltdown on Piers Morgan. And then all, you know, they're just having a rational conversation. And then she's like, you're saying this because I'm Jewish, blah, blah. And I always feel like, Crystal, that, like the far right Jewish people, they say this is the only marginalized group that matters. You know, this. This is the one that matters. And like you were just saying, they go to seek refuge in the political party that at their parades, boat parades, and insurrection carried Nazi flags around. So they go there for safety, and then they're mystified why people in their tent are anti Semitic. It's just wild. And, you know, it's gonna. The same thing's gonna happen to these demon queens. That's what I call them. Scott Besant, Peter Thiel, Sam Altman, they're all gonna find out. Tim Cook, they're gonna find out. Like, the white Christian nationalists of Heritage foundation that have been playing this long before Stephen Miller came around and long before Donald Trump came around, are going to throw you and your nelly ass under the bus so fast it's going to make your head spin. You are not going to be the magic homosexual that is going to survive in this regime.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah, well. And on Stephen Miller, I mean, yes, I think he is a Jewish Nazi. Like, I think his ideology is identical. You just swap out, like, Muslims or Hispanic people for the Jews. And you have a very similar ideology that has been given incredible power with this in this White House. And he's. I mean, he is running not just the immigration policy, he's also very involved in foreign policy. They're doing this, like, whites only refugee policy. The DHS Twitter account is just out and out Nazi posting all day long. And people talk about this divide in the Republican Party. Effectively, the divide is between whether to hate the Jews or the Muslims for, like, that's the intellectual divide, whether to, you know, be horrified by the old Holocaust or the new Holocaust that, you know, we committed in Gaza. I mean, that's the nature of the divide. I saw Laura Loomer, who is. Describes herself as a proud Islamophobe, who is the most openly racist person, wants Sauron to be deported, all that stuff. Right? And she's out here saying, we have a problem with Nazis in the party. It's like, girl, you have the same idea. You may, like, she's Jewish, so she may not hate the Jews. She may, like, carve out that one group. Otherwise, your whole ideology is the exact same. So it's, you know, incredible to watch them sort of grappling with the fruits of the very ideology that they have supported and promoted this whole time.
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Co-host 2
I was just gonna say, and it goes to, you know, the Marjorie Taylor Greene, the big, you know, revelation that she's had, she's changed, which we call bullshit on. But now she's like, you know, people are threatening to kill me. I'm like, you unleash that mob years ago when you started empowering somebody to talk the rhetoric that Donald Trump did, and now you're a victim of it. So it's a reoccurring theme within this party, is we're going to be the meanest, most hateful, wish the worst possible things on people, but we're exempt. And to me, there's an entitlement to evangelical Christianity that. That tracks for me. Like, I. I see that because that's.
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Jennifer
Super. So I think some of these marginalized groups, like Laura Loomer would think she's the special Jewish person.
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Co-host 2
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Jennifer
Dinesh Souza would think he's the special.
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Co-host 2
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Jennifer
Yeah, I think title entitlement could be the through line on all of that. Okay.
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Crystal Ball
You know, I feel like one of the Core sort of conservative traits is not giving a about anything until it directly affects you totally. How many times have you heard like, oh, now that I had this health issue or my child had this health issue, I see the problem with the health care system or now that my community is affected, I see the racism and I see that this is a major problem. But it's like, it has to impact them directly. I mean, talk about like empathy. I mean, it's just like complete. Devoid of an ability to project out. Okay, what could this ideology mean for me? Or what is it doing to these other. Other people and what does that mean for their lives? It's just, it has to like, impact them directly before they really get what the issue is.
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Jennifer
Okay. Something else you said you had had it with. Are minorities in ice?
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Crystal Ball
I mean, that connects to this, right?
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Jennifer
Yeah.
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Crystal Ball
Not only do you have no moral compass, and how many times have you seen these guys, they've got their masks on so you can't see their whole face, but what you can see, it's like a brown skin tone and a dude who looks like his last name is probably like, like Lopez or Hernandez or something. It's like, what is, what is wrong with you? Not only do you not have morality, apparently you don't have self preservation. I mean, this is. These people hate you. They hate you. They hate your family, they hate your kids, they hate your future grandkids. They don't think you belong here. You're not a quote unquote heritage American. You're never going to belong. And you're the one implementing the violent force against your own community. I just can't wrap my head around that.
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Jennifer
No, it's. It's insane. And I feel the exact same thing that you feel when you see the ICE agents. When I see Pam Bondi or I see Caroline Levitt or I see these women that gender wash this administration where Sean Duffy, Secretary of Transportation, says on camera, women shouldn't want to have careers to try to be happy. They should want to have husbands. Oh, my God, your mug is so cute. Oh, I want to say husbands and kids.
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Co-host 2
Oh, that's so cute.
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Jennifer
For those of you that are listening, it's a cute little teddy bear mug. And then when I see Pam Bondi and Caroline Levitt and Kristi Noem and they are riding the coattails of the suffragettes and all of these women that fought so hard for them to have the job, that they have to be in front of the cameras, that they are to sit behind the desk, that they're sitting on. And they are tearing it it all down with zero self awareness as to what generations before them fought how unworthy these women are of these positions because they're not taking the time or care and they're playing this role that a lot of authoritarians use where they use trot women out. So they make these apolitical women feel like, oh, it's fine. They're not anti women because these women are for it.
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Co-host 1
Oh, and they have a Christian cross.
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Jennifer
The Lord, she's. The Lord likes her, she loves the Lord. So we're going to go ahead and go along with this.
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Co-host 2
She must be a good person.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah. I mean, you have to, you have to take seriously this repeal the 19th amendment stuff. Not that because it would be like easy to effectuate, but I mean, all these things that start out as sort of like memes or jokes have become reality with Trump 2.0. I mean, they're really trying to go for it. They're trying to make it so that the only people that count and can vote and have any sort of influence are like the same narrow swath of people that to them count as whole human beings. So I think you have to take it extremely seriously. And they're putting on pieces about how women ruined the workplace and were to blame for absolutely everything that's ever happened. It's like, you know, what happened to this idea of personal responsibility also? I thought you guys were big on that.
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Co-host 2
Right.
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Jennifer
That that thing in the New York Times was a real moment for me.
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Crystal Ball
Right.
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Jennifer
When we covered on our other podcast, I hip News, we covered Pete Hegseth's pastor. So the secretary of Defense, personal good friend and personal pastor on 60 Minutes called for doing away with the 19th Amendment. That made me, you know, really pay attention because all the crazy that Republicans were talking about doing 20 years ago in the state legislature in Oklahoma. And when the national news cover, they say, oh, these people are so crazy, Mag is doing it now, right now in the federal government. So I listen to the fringes because I used to live in the fringes and now the fringes are mainstream. So I listen to what they're saying. And when I saw that, nobody at the New York Times thought, wait a minute, if we put the headline and it said, did Jews ruin the workplace? Do you think we could run that? Of course they wouldn't run it. Nope. But the rise of misogyny and sexism. When you see mainstream media like the New York Times run an opinion piece that they didn't have to run, they shouldn't have been even entertained that especially with the rise of when women lose rights like they have in our state. In Oklahoma, rape victims are having their babies, and it's the poorest women that suffer from this the most, and they fall prey to more violence and domestic violence and all sorts of things. For these people that make these decisions at a desk in New York City, to run an article like that in the New York Times and how damaging that is to women, compounding with these dip women in the Trump administration, I just really get frustrated with where we are and not hearing enough male voices speak up about this. Right now, you hear a lot of male voices talking about the male loneliness epidemic. And, you know, and I'm not saying that's not real, because it clearly is, but maybe women are lonely, too. We just don't bitch about it as much. And you just don't. You hear women being codependent, okay, how can we help the boys? How can we help boys not be lonely? We want to solve problems, but I need to hear more men right now on the left really speak up about the rise in misogyny, about the way they speak up about the rise of antisemitism. It needs to be on the same platform because all of these human rights are interconnected.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah. And I mean, think through what their actual position is. So they're like, okay, you need to be at home, like, with your kids. Okay, then if I'm doing that and I'm not working, you certainly don't want to help out with, like, you're cutting food stamps and you're cutting Medicaid and making it so you can't survive. I mean, those are gender issues as well, because it's mostly single moms who are struggling, who are suffering when those sorts of programs are cut as well. So they want you to work and have personal responsibility and take care of yourself, but then they also want you at home with the kids. I mean, I mean, basically, they want to use us as scapegoats because that's what their whole politics is. And the one group that they can never point the finger at is the billionaire class, who are the ones who are actually the ones rigging the system and making everybody's life miserable and sucking up all the water and jacking up our electric bills and trying to replace all the workers with robots. Those. That's the place where you actually need to point the finger, because they're the ones that are truly causing all of the problems. They can't do that because they're in bed with them. So Instead, it's a series. Okay, well, what other group can I scapegoat to try to deflect the blame from the place where it actually belongs? And so it's queer people, it's transgender people, it's immigrants, it's minorities, and it's women. Yeah, you know, it's anyone that they can point the fade. The reason why you're miserable is because your bitch ex wife or the reason why you're miserable is because these crazy cat ladies, ladies in New York City voting for sharia law or whatever. Like, it's got to be. It's got to be women that essential to their politics because they can't possibly look at what the actual problem is. So they have to constantly deflect to this group or that group in order to misplace and ascribe the blame.
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Jennifer
Okay, Crystal, let's play had it or hit it. Oh, my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it. I hit it every day.
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Co-host 1
Sometimes twice a day.
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Jennifer
Okay. Had it or hit it. Sydney Sweeney.
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Crystal Ball
Oh my God. Had it. So had it. I have so had it with this. Pick me as. I mean, by the way, I've also had it with. Remember when the jeans ad came out for American Eagle and she's like, jeans, you know, give you your blonde hair, whatever she said. And there are a bunch of liberals and leftists who didn't want to be like, you know, woke skulls. And they're like, it's cool. We don't even care. I was like, guys, we should care that they. This major American brand is flirting with eugenicism in order for, like, to turn a profit. Like, that's not okay and we should feel comfortable calling that out. So now that she's sort of like exposed herself, I feel like, you know, that view has been completely vindicated because she knows what she's doing. She wants to appeal to these like, right wing ethnocentric white nationalists effectively. She thought this would be Great for her career. Turns out they don't want to see an artsy movie about, like, a female boxer who's a lesbian like Christie. This movie she just put out that totally bombed at the box office. But no, I mean, I find her embarrassing and pathetic, honestly. Like, she wanted to lean into. She thought the vibe had shifted and this would be great for her career. And so I'm happy to see her fall flat on her face, frankly.
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Co-host 2
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Jennifer
I agree. Women that you know, she is fine latching on to political party where the Secretary of Defense personal pastor took the time in an interview to say, yes, Pete and I are very tight. We're close friends, and I want to do away with the 19th Amendment. And this is just. At some point when you go seek refuge with the people that hate everybody and you're one of the groups, minority groups that they hate, at some point, those knives are going to be turned.
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Crystal Ball
Well, and here's the thing. Thing. Here's the thing. Beautiful girl, great body, giant boobs. They love her for that. Second she turns 35 or 40 or whatever their expiration date is, they're done with her. That's done with her.
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Jennifer
Yeah.
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Crystal Ball
Like, you've set yourself up to have this incredibly short shelf life and they don't even care about you now. The only time they'll go see you is when you're doing these, like, you know, explicitly sort of like sexual roles. If you want to do something with any character that they already have no use for you. But yeah, she declared she registered as a Republican in Florida in this year, like in the year 2025, to register as a Republican, as a woman. That is a choice. That is a choice.
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Jennifer
Yeah.
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Crystal Ball
I don't buy this bullshit that she's like, oh, she's just not that smart and doesn't know which bullshit. She knows exactly what she's doing.
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Jennifer
And I agree with you. The Republican view of women is that it is breeding years only and then kicked out to the pasture. There is such ageism deeply embedded into their misogyny that is so embedded into Republican culture.
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Crystal Ball
But it.
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Jennifer
Those things that we tell little girls, like, these little girls grow up to be these beautiful women that are amazing and you fight for marginalized rights. But it's amazing how much the cultural impact of the stuff that Trump is doing is going to have on generations. That's what worries me. Generations that it takes. Takes. It's going to take so much time, so many years to peel out of all of this. Okay, had it or hit it, Zoran. Momdani.
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Crystal Ball
Oh, hit it. I mean, not literally, but he's. I mean, I think he's the future. Right. I genuinely think I'm so excited about the possibility in the Democratic Party right now, in the way that I have not been in a very long time since I was like hopeful about Bernie 2020 probably because. Because you see all of these great candidates who are very similar to him who don't give a fuck. Like, they're not waiting in line, they're disgusted with these old entrenched elites. And I don't even mean literally old. I just mean like out of touch, out of date, don't know how to fight, don't stand for anything. They're just done with it. They've had it, right? And you know, there's Graham Platner, a main Abdul Al Sayed. I saw this great guy, Cameron Caskey, who's running in New York's 12th congressional. You've got a bunch of primary challengers jumping in. And I think the Democrats base you guys are emblematic of this is just in a different place than they were before. They're, they're done playing by the rules. They're done with when you go low, we go high. They're like, no, we're going to grab the wheel. We want leaders who stand for something, who aren't going to word salad mealy mouth when they get asked a straightforward question. Cory Booker, we're actually going to get in there and fight. And so I think that is the direction the party is going as part of why right now that in election results are part of why I feel hopeful. Zoran's such a big part of that because his politics are so hopeful. And if they could succeed in New York City against all the odds and against its political dynasty, etc, I truly feel that anything is possible that makes me feel better.
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Jennifer
And the billionaires, I mean, they spent.
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Co-host 1
A ton of money.
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Jennifer
And you guys. Oh yes, the Internet is so good because I saw like I went to Zorin's victory party. I got home and I was still kind of excited and I had to wind down. So I was looking on Twitter and like people were like sending tweets to the billionaires that threatened to move all these hedge fund guys. And it was like, I expect that apartment to be on Zillow by 9am tomorrow morning. Just hilarious. And of course they're not moving. And in the like 10 days after Zoron won, luxury home sales surged in New York City. Because I think that Democrats have got to start messaging when government provides Services for people that are managed well, people like it. That's the purpose of government. And we have to start owning. It's not a handout. It's not people mooching or being parasites. The moochers and the parasites are the billionaires that had the luxury to throw 8, $10 million to feed some Islamophobic campaign and then think, oh, JK, we're good with you. We're not leaving anything.
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Crystal Ball
Yeah, let's work together. Bill Ackman. Oh, I'm looking forward to working. Why? Why would he want to work with you? Why would he want to work with you? No, I mean, the fundamental promise of Zorin's campaign is this city's been run for the rich. Now it's going to be run for your average, everyday working class person. And that is a revolutionary idea in our politics right now, and it's one that the CNBC crowd and all the financial elites feel incredibly, incredibly threatened by. Bringing in Lina Khan as part of his transition team is a real shot of across the bow as well. So, no, I find it incredibly hopeful because ultimately, if we don't have a Democratic Party that knows how to fight and knows how critically to confront capital, then even if we get rid of Trump and Kankels and Mike Johnson, all this cast of characters, we are still going to have to deal with the rise of fascism. Because if you don't have a party that's meeting people's material deeds, you're always going to leave for fertile soil for this politics of scapegoating the immigrants, the women, the trans people, etc. So it's not just, I think this is the correct electoral approach, I think it's the right moral approach, and I think it's the only way we actually fight fascism. And when we can look back to our own past and our own history to see that that is the case.
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Co-host 1
Right.
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Co-host 2
Make people so desperate that they think any little tidbit you get, it's really depressing. But Crystal gives me.
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Jennifer
Okay, okay, last one. Crystal. Had it or hit it. The United States of America.
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Crystal Ball
Okay, so I knew you guys are going to ask me this. I will say that I hit it, but with some caveats. So I genuinely, I genuinely love and I'm like, emotionally inspired by the core concept of us being this, you know, out of many, one nation of immigrants of all kinds of people from all kinds of places, and built on these ideas and these foundational principles and having the freedom to speech and tell Trump that he's got cankles. I think that that is actually really beautiful and special and fairly unique project that we're engaged in. We've never done it perfectly. It's taken on some major water. I'm very frustrated with my own countrymen who voted this man into office not once, but twice. But that bedrock, foundational principle of what America is, I find really beautiful and inspiring, and I am not willing to let that go. So fuck all these people that want to make it some blood and soil ethno state. I am not letting go of the vision on the Statue of Liberty of what America could be and should be.
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Jennifer
I agree. I really agree. I feel like there was a time period right after Trump won, and I know that this was universal for all of us that have a pulse and an ounce of empathy that you felt like, God damn it, fuck this country. And it felt really hopeless. And that was the intended result. And then they started flooding the zone, but we're all still in this thing. And I think about the. The way they're treating immigrants, and I think about what the Statue of Liberty says, and it sounds kind of juvenile to think about or maybe like Hollywood as to think about, but we're Americans. That's the way we think. We think in terms like this. We think in terms of heroes and doing right. Look at all of our. One of the. The greatest things we've done in this country is film. And look at what the films do. They always celebrate the heroes. We always commend the heroes. And right now we're living in a time period where everybody is celebrating the dorkiest, most demented, illiterate, incompetent villains.
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Crystal Ball
They're not attractive losers.
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Jennifer
Total. Could you imagine having to have. Have sex with Stephen Miller? No wonder his wife lost her mind on Pierce Morgan.
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Co-host 2
No, it's. She's probably.
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Jennifer
I mean, it'd probably just take anything to just send her into or she.
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Co-host 1
Has to get naked with him.
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Crystal Ball
Oh, horrifying. Yeah, absolutely horrifying. But no, I mean, that's. To go back to Zoron. Like, that was the other thing about his campaign is, like, that vision of America that we believe in and that millions of other Americans believe in. That's what he put on display was New York's not the same, like, scary, evil place where people are getting, you know, murdered on the subway. Every. It's this hopeful story about immigrants. It's always been in New York City, a story of immigrants and all of these different communities and cultures coming together and pursuing their dreams. I used to live in New York, obviously, when I was on msnbc. And it made me so nostalgic for New York. It made me miss New York so much because that part of it, to me is so incredibly inspiring and beautiful. And so to me, you talk about film like he knew how to use video and multimedia in order to paint that vision of what he believes New York should be and could be and is. And so, you know, I think that that is the most important counter example we've had for the Republican narrative, the MAGA narrative about what they want America to be, which is incredibly exclusionary. It's a place just for rich people, people really. And that if you aren't white and you're not Christian, if you're not quote, unquote, heritage America, then we hate you and you don't belong.
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Jennifer
Crystal Ball, we love you.
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Co-host 2
I could talk to you for 500 hours.
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Jennifer
I know you are definitely a cougar, like pumps and.
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Crystal Ball
Well, Kyle is younger than me, so I do have that. Really?
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Jennifer
That's hot.
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Crystal Ball
Literally.
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Jennifer
I love that you really are a cougar. But. But we love you. I'm so happy to have you on and I hope we continue to collab and continue to keep building a big ecosystem where we all support each other and fight for democracy and fight for these candidates like Zoron that remind us that we have to keep fighting for this country. So, Crystal, thank you so much for joining us.
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Crystal Ball
Thank you ladies, thank you for what you do. You both are so important to. I think that coalition that is coming together and right now is one winning. So thank you.
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Jennifer
Thanks.
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Co-host 2
Tell them we will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.
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Crystal Ball
I'll tell you what I've had it with.
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Jennifer
I've had it with that. Listen up patriots, gay trots and matriots.
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Co-host 1
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Crystal Ball
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Co-host 2
Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever you get your podcasts and YouTube.
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Jennifer
Please go rate, subscribe and review so.
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Co-host 1
That we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind.
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Jennifer
Pumps. Pumps. What does an eagle say? Caca. A little bit more enthusiasm.
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Crystal Ball
Caca.
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Jennifer
That's it.
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Crystal Ball
That's.
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Jennifer
That's. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.