Grifter-in-Chief

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Grifter-in-Chief" – I've Had It with Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan

Episode Title: Grifter-in-Chief
Release Date: May 1, 2025
Hosts: Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Description: Join Jennifer and Angie as they delve into the pervasive grifting in America, from corporate loyalty programs to political manipulations, while addressing the societal impacts of these practices.

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1. The Pervasiveness of Loyalty Programs and Corporate Boundary Issues

The episode kicks off with Angie expressing frustration over ubiquitous loyalty programs. She highlights the intrusive nature of these programs, where companies incessantly request personal information, leading to a sense of being overwhelmed by constant marketing tactics.

Notable Quote:
Pumps [01:07]: "No, I don't want you to have my cell phone number. If it takes me giving you my cell phone number to be a member of your loyalty program, then I am out."

Jennifer echoes this sentiment, criticizing corporate America's inability to respect personal boundaries, likening their relentless pursuit of customer data to "unregulated capitalism" and "information mining."

Notable Quote:
Jennifer [02:03]: "Corporate America needs to have like a therapy session or like go to rehab to learn about boundaries."

2. Multi-Level Marketing and Its Integration with Megachurch Cultures

The discussion transitions to the dangers of multi-level marketing (MLM) schemes, which often infiltrate tightly-knit communities such as megachurches. Both hosts condemn MLMs for exploiting trust within these groups to propagate their business models, describing them as "grifts."

Notable Quote:
Jennifer [03:43]: "Multi level marketing is the worst because a lot of them, they target megachurches... it's a grift."

Pumps further amplifies this critique by labeling prominent figures like Donald Trump as "the biggest grifter" for his extensive empire of questionable product endorsements.

Notable Quote:
Pumps [04:30]: "Donald Trump is a grifter and has the biggest grifting empire we've ever seen."

3. Trump’s Product Endorsements and Symbolism

Jennifer and Pumps dissect the absurdity of Trump's product lines, such as the "Trumpy Trout" and gold sneakers, which they argue are pandering attempts to manipulate voter demographics rather than genuine product offerings.

Notable Quote:
Jennifer [05:35]: "For me, it was the gold sneakers because it was intentional to try to be cool to black voters, and they said that... like, what is a presidential candidate doing selling shoes?"

4. Frustrations with Social Communication and Respect for Time

Shifting gears, the hosts vent about individuals who provide exhaustive details when declining social invitations instead of offering simple responses. This behavior is criticized for being disrespectful of others' time and boundaries.

Notable Quote:
Jennifer [06:05]: "I just don't want to hear your schedule. I want no part of any of it."

Pumps shares a personal anecdote about her ex-husband's intrusive calls, underscoring the emotional toll of such invasions of privacy.

Notable Quote:
Pumps [07:35]: "He would call me periodically to update me on what he was doing... I just was like, motherfucker, I don't care."

5. International Perceptions and Anti-American Sentiments

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing how America's current political and social climate has led to increased anti-American sentiments globally. The hosts emphasize that countries like Canada and members of the European Union are actively boycotting American products and distancing themselves from U.S. policies.

Notable Quote:
Jennifer [19:46]: "The anti-American sentiment abroad cannot be overstated... They want nothing to do with us."

Pumps highlights Canada's targeted approach against products from "red states," viewing it as a commendable stance against America's divided political landscape.

Notable Quote:
Pumps [20:47]: "Canadian is not viewed as this big, tough guy, masculine energy outside of that bubble."

6. The Battle Over Trans Rights and Education

Jennifer and Pumps engage in a passionate debate about the politicization of transgender issues in education. They argue that misinformation and political agendas have overshadowed genuine human rights concerns, leading to widespread discrimination and misunderstanding.

Notable Quote:
Jennifer [26:11]: "Nobody is changing anybody's gender at school, right? That is not happening. This is an authoritarian attack on education."

Pumps criticizes the right-wing's approach to transgender rights, suggesting that the movement aims to erase the existence of transgender individuals rather than protect their freedoms.

Notable Quote:
Pumps [35:53]: "They want to deny their existence... They have existed since the beginning of time."

7. Democratic Party’s Response and Future Directions

The hosts express disappointment in the Democratic Party's handling of these issues, particularly in addressing the false narratives propagated by Republicans. They advocate for a more honest and direct approach to defending marginalized communities and restoring America's reputation both domestically and internationally.

Notable Quote:
Jennifer [35:05]: "The Democrats have to respond and say we are not going to abandon human rights for anybody."

Pumps emphasizes the need for the Democratic Party to go on the offensive, confronting misinformation head-on to regain the trust of younger and diverse voters.

Notable Quote:
Pumps [44:40]: "They need to go on the offensive like you did in the podcast... Why do you care? Shut the fuck up."

8. Closing Reflections on American Identity and Capitalism

In their concluding remarks, Jennifer and Pumps reflect on the broader implications of America's internal conflicts and the necessity for systemic reforms. They call for regulated capitalism and policies that prioritize citizens' well-being over economic gains, hinting at a dire need for America's reckoning with its current trajectory.

Notable Quote:
Jennifer [51:20]: "This is a reckoning that our country has to have... capitalism needs to be regulated."

Final Thoughts:
The episode "Grifter-in-Chief" presents a scathing critique of various facets of American society, from corporate practices to political maneuvers. Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan leverage their platform to advocate for more honest and respectful interactions, both personally and nationally. Their passionate discourse underscores the urgency of addressing these deep-seated issues to restore integrity and unity within the United States.

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Key Takeaways:

• Corporate loyalty programs and MLM schemes exploit personal data and community trust.
• Political figures like Donald Trump engage in grifting through questionable product endorsements.
• Anti-American sentiments are rising globally due to internal political and social strife.
• Misinformation around transgender rights is fueling discrimination and political division.
• The Democratic Party needs a strategic and honest approach to reclaim trust and advocate for marginalized communities.
• Systemic reforms in capitalism and governance are essential for America's future well-being.

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For those seeking an in-depth analysis of America's current socio-political landscape, "Grifter-in-Chief" offers a compelling and unfiltered perspective from two outspoken hosts determined to highlight and confront the nation's challenges.

Transcript

[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

Ready? One, two, three.

[Jennifer]

Patriots. Gaytriots. They trio. Blacktriots. Yeah, that's right.

[Pumps]

I'm getting really good at it.

[Jennifer]

I know I like it. And I just want to say to all the non magas of the world, we are the majority. We're the cool kids. This is America's top DEI podcast. Pumps. What have you had it with?

[Pumps]

Okay, what I've had it with is people. Not people, companies. Always asking me, do you want to.

[Angie]

Be part of our loyalty program?

[Pumps]

No, I don't. I don't want you to have my cell phone number. If it takes me giving you my cell phone number to be a member of your loyalty program, then I am out. So then when you say, no, I'm going to pass on your loyalty program. It says, oh, so you don't want the free rewards? Like, I just don't want you attacking my phone non stop.

[Angie]

So they try to shame you for.

[Pumps]

Not being a part of their stupid loyalty clubs.

[Jennifer]

I think corporate America needs to have like a therapy session or like go to rehab to learn about boundaries. Because it's like you say, no, I, I'm not too interested. And then like you say, then it's like, oh, you don't want to save 15% off. And it's like it's just unregulated capitalism and the mining of our information and all of this crap. I've had it with, I've had it.

[Pumps]

With all of it. It's just, it's borderline, like abusive that they just won't say, no, I don't want to be a part of your loyalty program. And they say, okay, that's fine. They have to browbeat you a little bit about it.

[Jennifer]

And if you want to go, if that's like, you know, street drugs. If you want to go to the hard drugs, go to the multi level marketing salespeople. Oh, that's crazy because they know you personally.

[Pumps]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

And then they personally start pressuring you. And you and I probably, we've talked about this Before, I don't know if we have on the pod or not, but there was this woman when Pumps and I sent our kids to the same preschool. And there was this woman and she called me up and she was like, hey, Jennifer, how are you doing? I was like, hey, how are you? I mean, like we knew each other. Carpool, pickup, drop off. She's like, I just have a great opportunity for you. I think you'd be incredible at selling Arbonne. I was like, oh, thanks so much. I'm an interior designer, so I don't, I don't need to take on another job, especially I have these two toddlers. But I mean, you could make so much money, I think you would absolutely crush it. And here's what your plan is. And I had to tell her, like, no, four or five different times. Ultimately, I think I like abruptly hung up on her. And then for the remainder of the preschool year, she refused to speak to me. And so for my analysis of this, I'm like, okay, you call me unsolicited, right? It's your idea that I'm going to be an Arbonne sales lady. Not my idea.

[Pumps]

And it's an opportunity for you.

[Jennifer]

I say I'm not interested, like 17 different ways and somehow at the end of this, I'm the asshole, right?

[Pumps]

Yeah, that happens all the time. All the time.

[Jennifer]

Multi level marketing is the worst because a lot of them, they target megachurches and that's where they're kind of rooted in mega church culture because you have like people that are already grouping together like Bible studies and whatnot. And so you see a lot of this riff raff, knickknack, life coach, makeup, dishes, all that shit. Yeah, it really, they really start accelerating up the food chain on that in the megachurch culture because it's so networked.

[Pumps]

Also the mom culture, the power mom culture.

[Jennifer]

And it's a grift. Which mega churches are grift. Multilevel marketing is a grift. And it's just. I've had it.

[Pumps]

Donald Trump is a grifter and has the biggest grifting empire we've ever seen.

[Jennifer]

I can't even the, the, the knickknacks and the riff raff and just the pure, unadulterated white trash that the President of the United States is. It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable that people look at him and they think, oh, man, he's crushing it. He's.

[Pumps]

He is so good. Okay, let me tell you what. I have all the shit and I watch pretty Closely. All the stupid shit he sells. You know, the cups, the hats, the tea T shirts with his, like, bodybuilder picture on it when he's a fat ass, all that. The one that really got me the most. It wasn't the $200 watch he was selling for 200,000. That wasn't. Was the Trumpy Trout. He had the fish on the wall that has his face on it and it talks, and it's called Trumpy Trout, and it sings a little song and that. To me, I was just like, wow.

[Angie]

Like, this is a whole new level.

[Pumps]

So what was your. I mean, which one of them has stuck out to you the most? The Trumpy Trout always stuck out to me.

[Jennifer]

For me, it was the gold sneakers because it was intentional to try to be cool to black voters, and they said that. And to, like, lean into this stereotype about black people that they like shoes and they like gold stuff. And so we're gonna sell these Trump sneakers like they're Air Jordan or something.

[Pumps]

Right.

[Jennifer]

You know, and that, to me, I'm just like, what is a presidential candidate doing selling shoes? I mean, seriously, it's so gross. Okay, let me tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with when you're asking somebody to do something like, hey, can you meet me for lunch on Friday at noon? And let's say it's Tuesday. And instead of that person just saying, yes, no, let me look at my schedule. Those are the three answers that are acceptable. They walk you through their schedule leading up to that date. And this happens a lot. Oh, okay. That morning, I'm going to go to yoga, and then I'm going to go meet my coffee group at Starbucks, and then I got to run the dog to the vet. And then. Okay, so what did you say? Noon. Okay. Oh, my God. And then I have a zoom call. And then. And I'm like, I don't need. I don't need to know how busy you are. And actually, I want to retract the invitation.

[Pumps]

And now I don't even want to go to lunch with you. Yeah, I cannot stand that. And I'm probably particularly susceptible and triggered by that kind of thing, because my ex husband used to call me on the phone. He would dial my number and call me and say, I am too busy to talk to you today. And I'm like, motherfucker, you called me like, what? Nobody solicited this information. If I didn't talk to you all day, it's fine. But he would call me periodically to Update me on what he was doing and tell me how busy he was. And I just was like, motherfucker, I don't care.

[Jennifer]

Well, I think we now know that this was a huge operation of CYA and listener. CYA is cover your ass. And come to find out the ex husband of the head beaver in charge was playing offense to make sure he wasn't caught doing things so that he wouldn't have to play defense.

[Pumps]

Right.

[Jennifer]

So these are two different issues. If you're significant other is dialing you up to tell you how Busy they are 1 million percent. They're fucking around and they're trying to provide an alibi so you can't hunt their ass down. Right.

[Pumps]

And I do have friends that have super, like, call, call, call, call ex husbands. And when we do the autopsy after the divorce, the. The husbands that are calling throughout the day all the time are being naughty.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, that's just so. That's. That's one issue. The other issue is I'm trying to just ask somebody to go to lunch, and then I get a narration of their schedule in the dates leading up to that and what all they have to do prior to. And sometimes they'll even throw in what they have to do after. And I just. I don't want to hear your schedule. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to be copied on your calendar. I want no part of any of it.

[Pumps]

Remember when I was copying people on my doctor's appointments?

[Jennifer]

Oh, I did, because I got updated to your gynecologist appointment. You were sending that out to everybody that works at I've Had It Podcast and Sharing Pumps has a pap smear today.

[Pumps]

Yeah, I didn't know.

[Jennifer]

Welcome to I've Had It. I'm Jennifer.

[Pumps]

I'm Angie. The HBIC had beaver in charge.

[Jennifer]

Beaver is our mascot is the animal of Canada. They mate for life. They're fiercely loyal and the mascot that America needs right now. And it's also a way that we can tell our Canadian friends, help us. Help.

[Pumps]

Send. Help.

[Jennifer]

Send Rescue.

[Pumps]

Rescue.

[Jennifer]

Y'all were so sweet to everybody in the Handmaid Tell. Don't forget that. Be nice to us in real life, too. Yeah. Okay, that's the intro. I've had a podcast. America's top DEI podcast. Now we will kick it to our producer, Katerina.

[Katerina]

Hello. I'm going to read you two reviews today. And this first one is titled Botox Appointment. It's five stars, and she writes, hello, I have an appointment to get Botox for the stress Wrinkles that have been deepened by the Trump administration. I can't seem to find the office I'm looking for and I've been standing in this lobby for the last five minutes with no answer. There's a sign on the door by appointment only. I have an appointment. I can hear two middle aged women chitchatting in the back, but they don't seem to want my business enough to come out here and help me. Only gave five stars because I can't figure out how to change.

[Pumps]

That's so clever.

[Jennifer]

That's so I, I love that. I, I, I love Botox. I love that five star review. It's excellent and clever. All right, who's next?

[Katerina]

Up next, we've got five stars titled the only Podcast I'll Listen to and they write. All right, ladies, first of all, let me just shame myself real quick. It took me 10 entire minutes to figure out how to leave this review. I'm 25. That's embarrassing. Do I care? No, because I know it'd take pumps even longer. You two are my unofficial walking buddies. I Throw in my AirPods hit play, and suddenly my aggressively basic round the block walk becomes a full blown masterclass in saying the things everyone else is too scared or too boring to say. The best part is walking by the only maga supporter in my neighborhood. I live in Colorado, thank God, with you two in my ears. If only it would be socially acceptable to blast this podcast on a speaker in front of his house. Keep it up. You're doing the Lord's work. With love. A proud, liberal, anti maga, megachurch hating Stanley owning queen Love.

[Jennifer]

That's a great.

[Pumps]

That's a Great review.

[Jennifer]

We're 25 years old and we're cool.

[Pumps]

I mean, I feel like I'm kind.

[Jennifer]

Of younger because we used to say we're not cool. But I'm going to change it. I'm going to update it. I think we're cool.

[Pumps]

We're definitely cool adjacent, if nothing else.

[Jennifer]

I agree.

[Pumps]

You're cooler than me.

[Jennifer]

I think there's no question about that.

[Pumps]

Yeah, I mean, because he's right. I mean, I tried. I did. I tell you, after we talked about leaving reviews, I left a review of our podcast.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, you did.

[Pumps]

And it took me longer than 10 minutes to figure out how.

[Jennifer]

Kylie, do you think we're cool?

[Katerina]

I think you're cool.

[Pumps]

What's she gonna say?

[Jennifer]

Let's let her finish.

[Katerina]

All of my friends, I get surprised because they'll text me and they'll say something about the episode. The Other day, some of them came over and said, put that episode back up. That was just there. I want to watch it again.

[Pumps]

Really?

[Katerina]

I mean, they listen to every episode.

[Jennifer]

I think it's. I think we're on the cool track. This episode of I've had it is brought to you by booking.com booking. Yeah. Every time I use booking.com I find a place to stay in the U.S. i know they'll have exactly what I'm looking for. They have a huge variety, variety of options from hotels to vacation rentals. And I'm always able to find something that fits my specific needs. I found that booking.com has something for everyone. Recently I took my oldest son and his girlfriend to New York City. They wanted to stay in Soho. Through booking.com I was able to find the perfect hotel for us.

[Pumps]

What I like about booking.com is I can find a great vacation rental where my kids and I both have our own space and we have a common area to enjoy so we don't get sick of each other.

[Jennifer]

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[Pumps]

And.

[Jennifer]

And obviously we have to hook you up. So we're doing a giveaway with Bellesa where literally everyone wins a free vibrator. Yep. You either win a fully free Whisper Vibe or a free rose toy. With any Whisper order, just click the link in the episode description or go to bbvibes.com had it bbvibes.com had it. The whisper vibrators stay silent. But the big question is, can you? Okay, there's a an article I want to share with everybody that I found on. What was this? Kylie, Guardian, Independent.

[Katerina]

The Guardian.

[Jennifer]

The Guardian. And I read this and I sent it to Kylie to put into a slideshow for our viewer and for the listener. Don't worry, I'll narrate and read. And the article is called this Un American Life. Can you really divest yourself of everything from the US and this is by Jeremy Eddinghausen. He says, I know that if I'm going to be serious about de Americanizing everything, I have to get systematic about it. There will need to be research and auditing, rules and considerations and caveats, and above all, self control, commitment and discipline. So to keep myself on this righteous path and to help others similarly appalled by America's descent into authoritarian plutocracy cleanse their lives of Yankee fare, I offer the rules of the game and an incomplete review of everything that I will be replacing with an un American alternative. The rules. Number one, no American product may be bought or American service used. No exceptions. But what about Apple? I hear you say they have rejected calls to remove DEI policies. What about about Patagonia? They're the good guys. Yes. And yes, of course some American companies and some Americans are good, but what? A battery won't get us anywhere. Number two, if an American product has been previously bought, it can be used until it breaks, at which point it cannot be replaced by another American product. Note, if a working product, example an iPhone, uses American services, example iCloud storage, it must be immediately replaced by a product that does not require American services to work. Similarly, one is allowed to keep any existing American friends. But making new American friends is verboten. Number three, if an artist, a writer, musician, filmmaker, actor, whatever is American, their work is taboo. It is unacceptable to experience American art on existing physical formats. But as per Rule 2, these cannot be replaced once defunct. To support American artists is support is to support the American military media entertainment complex. Sorry, Bruce. Number four, it's not a principle if it doesn't cost you something. All right, now put up the next slide. I'm sure there are plenty of good, well meaning Americans out there sharing good and interesting insights, reckonings, gifs and feelings. So please don't think I'm being rude if I block, mute or ignore ignore you until 2028. I'm just following the rules. Netflix, Apple TV Plus, Disney plus and Prime Video will all have to go Arriva di the studio Reacher and slow horses. Hasta Luego, Seinfeld repeats Breaking Bad binges and the Good Place water cooler moments. And for music, I have Spotify, which is Swedish, so already not American. But remember, no streaming of American music. We don't want royalties following into the wrong hands. Never again will I groove to Marvin, Aretha or Otis. Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson. Time to saddle up and ride into the sunset. The list of prohibited foods is lengthy and surprising, but it will be necessary to get familiar with all of the brands owned and managed by Kraft, Heinz, General Mills and Mondelez to ensure that no prescribed product accidentally gets into the shopping trolley. This exercise is not about rejecting the modern world or the pleasures and comforts of modern life. It's about turning away from America and turning towards Europe. One day I'd love to go back to the States and eat a cheeseburger in a Brooklyn dive bar, toasting old friends and new with shots of rail bourbon in the land of the free. But not for the time being, not under the current regime. So in summary, this is something that every American needs to be aware of, that the anti American sentiment abroad cannot be overstated. And my message to the triple Trumpers, to the country club Republicans, to the white women that are fiscally conservative but socially liberal, the brand damage to the all everything American is horrific.

[Pumps]

Right?

[Jennifer]

These are, this, this is one of our biggest allies, the uk. And this sentiment is echoing through Canada, through Mexico, all over Europe, in Asia, Australia. They want nothing to do with us. And if you stop for a second and get out of your right wing media echo chamber and think, holy shit, they watched us elect to president a man that was convicted of 34 felonies, an adjudicated rapist and who tried to overturn a free and fair election and says all sorts of crazy shit all the time, and then picks a fight with all of his allies and wants us to still worship them like they're so great. The arrogance, right? And I hope that Americans can have conversations with the Triple Trumpers in their lives and explain to them and help them get out of this deranged cult. The damage to this is going to go far beyond your pocketbook.

[Pumps]

Well, it's absolutely going to go beyond the pocketbook and for generations. And I really think that people don't understand, especially where we live, that Trump is not viewed as this big, tough guy, masculine energy outside of that bubble. I mean, he is viewed as exactly what he is. A failed businessman, a blowhard losing his mind, not athletic little hands destroying democracy. Want to be a talk autocrat in bed with Putin, like it's not that hard. And I will tell you that I, I do not discount what he's saying because I think it's absolutely, probably he's on the right side of history. But I do like that Canada has gotten very pointed about they're not buying certain products from certain states, like red states and that to me, I see that as a really good thing for Canada to do. People are, I mean supposedly we're supposed to lose like 90, is it billion dollars in tourism this year. People not coming to the United States because it's not safe. They're deporting people like this. It's not hard to look at. It's only the people that are looking at it through the Fox News Len, or the paid Russian asset Tim Pool lens that they're saying. Or Tucker Carlson, like he wants to be an autocrat. He is shipping people out of the United States into concentration camps. So I applaud what this guy's doing. I've been really trying to cut back on certain brands that I order from and it's really, really hard. I mean it is really hard to do that. So you gotta make some rules. I think that's.

[Jennifer]

And the European Union has also been very targeted about the way, way they're conducting business with American products targeting red states. Because here's the difference between those governments and the current government we have. They understand American politics and the American electorate more than MAGA does, more than Fox News blowhards do. They understand the cancer in America and how it permeates and cooks in these red states full of all of these bad ideas. And I will never understand why Democrats have not actively attacked red state governments the way Republicans have attacked blue cities. And they have, you know, you can get on Fox News, these blue cities are dangerous, they're crime ridden, blah blah, blah, homeless, et cetera, et cetera. Mind you, they're all supposed to be big Jesus people, when they see a homeless people, they're just gross homeless people. There's no compassion, none with these people. But I don't understand because when you look at our state, you know our governor says out loud all the time, and anybody who knows anything about government, who's taken a basic government class knows that if somebody says this sentence we need to run government like we run a business, that they're stupid, right? Well, because you cannot run government the way you run a business. Government is not set up for profit. It's set up for security and safety and for the well being of people. Business is Cutthroat business is set up for profit. So the fact that you have red state governors saying that and thinking they're smart and they say it to an electorate that continues to be brainwashed over and over and over, election style, election cycle after election cycle to vote against their own best interest. And it's like, you know, we got, I gotten that, you know, heated exchange with Rahm Emanuel on this podcast. And before we had the heating heated exchange, he was talking about education and how important education should be for people. Well, who can disagree with that?

[Pumps]

Right?

[Jennifer]

Well, I'll tell you who disagrees with that Oklahoma electorate who has had Fox News and Ryan Walters, the superintendent of school propagandize the public for years now and saying there is a drag queen agenda and there is a gender woke transgender ideology that's ruining your kids in schools. So. And they say it over and over and over again. So suddenly those parents don't care about test scores and they don't care about their kids getting a good education. They're worried about an imaginary problem that scares them. And so it's hard to talk about facts with people that choose to be lies. So you can't talk about the problem with American education because where are the worst test scores in red state?

[Pumps]

Absolutely.

[Jennifer]

You can't talk about promoting a good education until you deprogram the electorate. That there is no hidden drag queen trans agenda that's going to indoctrinate your kids at school because they believe that. I had a person in Oklahoma that has a law degree that my husband plays tennis with. Tell me. And this was about two years ago. Yeah. You know, kids are identifying as cats. And up at Jinx, which is a suburb of Tulsa, up at Jinx, my friend, her daughter saw a litter box in the classroom. I said, is there a picture of it? Well, this went on all over the United States. How do you get people to care about test scores in education if they think there's litter boxes and kids are taking shits in litter boxes in between transgender ideology courses in public schools, which the latter part I've just said. All of that is a lie.

[Pumps]

Right?

[Jennifer]

It's all propaganda. And so the Democrats have to be smarter and quit assuming the electorate is so dumb. There's a percentage of the electorate that's really dumb that you're never going to move. But the people who don't follow the 24 hour news cycle, those are the people you need to bring on board and say this is insanity.

[Pumps]

Well, here's the thing. I think the breakdown is that you have people that would that actually believe that people are identifying as cats and they're getting their weenies whacked off and eating the dogs and eating the cats. Like, like people fundamentally, the Donald Trump and the whole right wing, they have allowed people to crave into the cruelty, the racism, the misogyny. They like for other people to be victims of what they hate and like, see it all the time on Twitter, like, hey, I wanted you to deport, you know, brown people, but I didn't think you were going to deport, you know, my wife or my husband. People want cruel things to happen to other people. And I don't know if it's a human indecency thing. I don't know why. But Trump has unlocked it and now people are emboldened to raise their confederate flag.

[Jennifer]

And I think the response to this is we have to start telling the truth. And there are two big lies that the Democratic Party has not responded to, that the Republicans have propagated onto the electorate. We used to talk about the big lie, the 2020 race. Okay, that was the big lie. But there are two. There's actually three big lies, in my opinion. Number one, the 2020 race and the results of that. The second one is that Democrats are killing babies after they're born, right? A post birth abortion. That is a lie. It is a complete lie that millions of MAGA Republicans believe. They believe that a baby is born and that doctors and nurses in the hospitals murder that baby. They believe that happens. They believe it's real. The, the Democrats have not responded to that. You know how they respond to it. The person who promoted that lie, who said it on tape, Liz Cheney was trotting around with our nominee. I don't think unless Liz Cheney looks in the camera and says, I knew that was a lie and I know that it fed and birthed Donald Trump and I was a part of the problem. And unless she atones for that because we live in a state where women have lost their right to abortion care, then she has no business trotting around with our candidates. That's my opinion. The third big lie is that Trump said all over the campaign that kids are going to school and getting their wieners wiped off. That is not happening. That is a complete lie. But the trans issue gets people so crazy. After Rahm and I had our episode, I get all of these messages in my DM box. You believe in gender mutilation, you don't know what a real woman is, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And just all. And I'M like out of all the issues in the world, what you just said, none of those are even true. But like that's your main focus. Like that's, that's your huge focus and it's a huge focus for all of them. Because the minute Donald Trump tanks the stock market, what is Fox talking about, right? Trans pool players in Thailand playing, you know, pool, and I'm talking about table pool. You know, they promote it and they scapegoat it. And it's the, the Democrats have got to respond to it and say we are not going to abandon human rights for anybody. Number one, nobody is changing anybody's gender at school, right? That is not happening. That doesn't happen. Number two, nobody is making your child be a different gender than they are. Number three, do you want your kid, if you give birth to a little girl that ends up being kind of a tomboy, do you want her being picked on because genetically she's not as feminine as maybe the girliest girl in the class? Or if you give birth to a little boy and maybe he's a little effeminate, do you want him bullied for being a sissy or an F word? Because we've all known that has existed all of our lives, right? So who are we? Do we protect the kids that get bullied or do we bully them? And do we allow the government to bully them? And do we allow a political party to lie and say that teachers and school administrators are change surgically changing the gender of children? It's simply not fucking happening. But I'll tell you where children are getting injured and there is a shit ton of evidence to this. Not at a drag show, not at, you know, there's no sort of radical trans agenda. But it's all these churches, right? Every single sect of Christianity has massive payouts, massive cover ups of massive child sex abuse. Nobody talks about that. We talk about the imaginary stuff that's never happened.

[Pumps]

Well, and you have the Jesus leaders or the big mega church Christian pastors going all in for Trump when he is the most immoral, inhumane person. But I will say this, on the trans thing, I was naive enough when Fox News, during the campaign, when they were like, you know, they spent millions and millions and millions of dollars on the trans issue. I was naive enough to think nobody thinks this is happening. Like this isn't real. Only 3% of the population is trans. Less than 1%, I'm sorry, less than 1% is trans. There are not that many trans athletes trying to compete in sport. Like all that Shit, because you just know it's not true if you try, if you just give a glance at the news and then you see that people were galvanized by the thought of the boy in the girl sports or the girl. And it's just, it's insanity. People are obsessed with this and I don't know why. I, I might, I suspect it's something to do with religious issues, traditional gender values. But they are being fed this stuff and the victims of all of this are all of us. Everybody is a victim. Trans people should be protected. They should not be bullied. This administration, this should go under a human rights violation. What they are doing to trans people, in my opinion.

[Jennifer]

I agree. And then so, so then let's talk this through. Pumps like okay, okay, so what is their end game with this? Like what, what? You're anti trans? So what does that mean? Trans people don't have first amendment rights. So we are a country of freedom for everybody except for the most marginalized, less than 1%? Is that what it means? Does it mean that if a guy wants to wear, you know, dress kind of feminine or wear a skirt or something, that we're going to make that illegal so everybody else has freedom except for them? What does it mean policy wise? It means that you are denying somebody freedom and either we are a free country and that means everybody, even the people you might personally think because you're so shallow and you're such a dick, you might think those people are freaks. Maybe that's what they think. I like the freaks. I want to hang out with the cool people. As an atheist that, that was raised in this state, all of the Jesus shit drove me so crazy and people were so mean that I wasn't religious and so judgmental that I wasn't religious. When I went to college, I found solace and friendship with a bunch of gay men because they too had been judged by the same people that had judged me my whole life. Told me my mother was going to hell, told me my father was going to hell, told me I was going to hell, told me I had demons running all around me, all this crazy ass mega church bullshit. Meanwhile, these people were total pieces of shit. And so I found like the. My longest friends that I've had since college are these group of gay men. Some of them sadly have died, succumbed to aids. And in that group I found people that had emotional depth, emotional intelligence, fun, a lot of lack of judgment. We had deep, deep conversations at a really young age that still continue. I ran into a friend of mine that I've been friends with since I was 17. He now lives in Brazil and he was in Oklahoma City. We sat at a coffee shop and talked for like three hours about deep political things. And those are the friendships that, that I've had with members of that community. Not to mention they helped influence my style, my interior design business and all sorts of things. But I, I don't understand what their end game is. I, I don't. Other than to deny people freedom.

[Pumps]

I think that they want to deny their existence. I think it's more basic than freedom. They want them not to exist. They send them, they send gay people to conversion camp and don't think that's abuse. They think it's fine. They think that they can make them not gay. I think just being in the megachurch world that I grew up in, it is denying that they exist in population which they have existed since the beginning of time. I mean, so I, it's a no win. The right wing cannot win on this shit issue. They cannot take people out of existence as much as they might want to. They can, they can deny all they want that they exist, but they exist. They've always existed. But these are the same motherfuckers that deny facts, that deny evidence, and that do not give a shit or have any empathy for anyone but themselves.

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[Jennifer]

You know, I want to share with you all like something that but was an unintended consequence of this podcast. So when pumps I started the podcast, you know, it took off and then we went on tour and we would have these VIP meet and greet lines and we met people in every single city that we went to. And we met young, early 20s, maybe, you know, 30s, a few trans people in each location. And they would cry when they met us. And we, I, we didn't, I had no idea, I had no idea that our audience, we had a young audience that found a sense of belonging with us simply because we refused to buy into this narrative that somebody had less value because they didn't fit with, you know, societal constructs that we have. And that really started resonating. So in that episode with Rahm Emanuel, you know, I, I, I, I'm open to having all sorts of political conversations, but what bothered me about it was he didn't have to throw in the bathroom part, right? He did it. And that was real insidious to me. And I just, my reaction was just really visceral, like a mother, like I would defend my own kids because he did it on purpose to send a signal to voters that are never going to vote for the Democratic Party that, hey, I'm not going to allow this kind of talk to go on in our party. You know, I'm going to be the centrist savior and I'm going to put a stop to all this nonsense. And that's number one. It devalues the progress that since the last time he won an election with Obama, after gay marriage became legal, people felt safer to start saying who they were and showing who they were. And the reason that the Gay Pride parade is called Pride is because they went from feeling so much shame for so long to finally being able to be out and feel pride about who they were. Because you have to remember the first people that truly shame these people are their parents. Their parents. And that's a wound that you might say Kumbaya and all that, but that's something that that gay child's going to remember forever. My first bully was my parent. That's just my gay friends that I have. That is a wound that is always there. Your own parents. So then when you pile that on, that it's your government too, and then your political party that's supposed to fight for you just casually, in some sort of anecdote, metaphor, throws in the bathroom thing. I just thought that was just. I thought that was so low rent. I thought that was just such pandering to a group of people that. Why would you want to pander to them? Because in the year 2025, the degree of separation from you and somebody who doesn't fit the exact gender norm that you think they should, it's not very much if you live in an urban area.

[Pumps]

No. And I do think when you talk about the traditional Republican or not, sorry, the centrist Democrat trying to get everybody, they're courting a vote they're never going to get. And I agree with you 100%. Either everybody has equal rights or nobody does. And you cannot go back now and, like, dump trans people off, because Trump fed that to the base. You've got to come in and say, why do you fucking care? Why are you all in these people's business? Why are you talking about it all the time? What's wrong with you?

[Jennifer]

Well, then here's another thing. Like why does Caitlyn Jenner get to go to Mar a Lago, right, and use the women's restroom? And that other MAGA trans influencer, why did they get to do that? And it's all fun and games and y'all put it on Instagram. But then you know anybody any other time that you're failing in your polling or you're tanking the economy or Fox News needs to get the eye off the ball of what a abject failure Trump is. That's who you rake over the coals. Yeah. Like that. That to me, if I. If the Democrats abandon trans people, people will abandon the Democrats en masse. Because freedom, this is either a free country or it isn't. And if you were born with one gender. And science has shown, and this is what nobody ever wants to talk about, Science has shown that while somebody's in utero, when the brain's developing, it can get flooded with either testosterone or estrogen. And then at another time in utero, when the genitals are developing, it gets the other. And so this is something that happens in nature. This is not some plot to own mega churches or own MAGA or to fuck up anybody's life. It doesn't really impact your life. And I just. It makes me so mad that there's this talk and some leading Democrats that I agree. It's not the biggest issue in America simply by numbers. Right, the numbers simply by numbers. Gun violence in children is a far bigger issue. But we don't talk about that. Never talk about that. But if they abandon it, and they do, if Democrats do the same thing that Republicans do and scapegoat them, fuck the Democrats. I am so sorry, but that is just. You will lose all of your base that is under 55 years old gone. Poof.

[Pumps]

Yeah, No, I think that they need to go. I mean, I think Democrats need to go on the offensive like you did in the podcast, the most genital obsessed people on planet Earth. It's none of your fucking business. Why do you care? Shut the fuck up. I mean, just go straight offense at it. Cause that's what MAGA would do. They go offense on everything that's stupid. They go offense on whacking wieners off.

[Jennifer]

You can't talk about the stuff that, like Rahm wanted to just purely talk about education. And it was so divorced from reality and it was intellectually dishonest because I was trying to explain to him what was going on in our state. You cannot have a conversation about test scores and education in the state of Oklahoma unless you're willing to talk about the big lie that schools are whacking wieners off.

[Pumps]

Right?

[Jennifer]

And it is a lie that schools are promoting gender ideology and woke ideology. It's fucking bullshit.

[Pumps]

It's not happening.

[Jennifer]

It's simply not happening. This is an authoritarian attack on education. And be intellectually honest about it. Be honest about it. And that's what bothers me about it, because the two things are linked. Because they've used maga, has used the trans issue to delegitimize education. The reason they've done that is they want to delegitimize education is an authoritarian play. So they're all interlinked. And I think it's just either treat the electorate with Respect and dignity and be a warrior for democracy, for everybody. First Amendment for everybody. Even if you think that person's a freak, even if you think that person should dress a different way, even whatever it is, it's a free country. And we used to say that all the time. Oh, it's a free country, right. That used to be something that was a part of the American thing. Well, it's a free country thing. Do whatever they want to do. You don't hear that that much anymore.

[Pumps]

No, you don't.

[Jennifer]

You don't hear people say that that much anymore. Because MAGA wants to regulate morality. They want everybody to be as miserable and wound up as they are. And I, when you see a pride parade, I see joy. I see people that had to face their parents, their churches, their redneck towns they grew up in and probably cried in their bed so many times, feeling bullied, snot slinging. And then finally they were able to come out and feel pride about who they were. And then you have all these little crusty ass white Republican Christians that get so triggered because you're having fun. Well, it's a free country, right? So what is it, Mag? Is it a free country or is it not? Apparently for them it's not.

[Pumps]

Well, I was gonna say it's obviously not because they want to regulate, you know, now maga, Trump administration saying, well, are you a practicing Jew or are you just Jewish? They're going into all religion. They're, you know, religious. Anti Christian bias. All this shit is not free.

[Jennifer]

I have that. Well, anti Christian bias. I have that.

[Pumps]

Okay, but they're trying to make. They're doing a task force to investigate.

[Jennifer]

I'm being tongue in cheek here.

[Pumps]

No, but I mean, technically we are. We'd be on the task force radar. But I'm just saying, like they want. As long as you agree with them, you have free speech. Anybody who doesn't agree with them thought police all that, then that's not free speech. And I don't think they're even trying to hide that. I really don't.

[Jennifer]

No, I don't either. And I just think the Democrats, if you. The reason the democratic polling is 20 something right now is because we have Chuck Schumer and what's his name?

[Pumps]

Hakeem.

[Jennifer]

Hakeem Jeffries that couldn't fight a toothpick. I mean, it's just like, come on, man, nobody wants to talk about the people that are bringing out tens of thousands of people to protest AOC and Bernie Sanders. And it is a, it is a economic populist message that is for everybody, even for maga, that specifically will benefit rural communities. And the, the Democratic establishment wants to come in and tell everybody, we know we're the centrist saviors, we know how to save this thing. Look at how well us trotting around with, you know, Liz Cheney did it worked out great because it's just. And I, you know, and I bet, I think Kamala is obviously smart enough that she probably went back and she probably looks at that and she, you know, I'm not criticizing her for doing that because you take your advisor's information and what they think that you would do, and I think she's that discipline that she would say, okay, this abortion issue is really resonating with women. And we're showing that Republicans and Democrats can come together on this issue. The problem is what that was. And I felt it at the time. I felt an abandonment of the base because I remember Liz Cheney looking into the camera saying that Americans were killing babies after they were born. And I remember thinking, how is she a congresswoman and she can stand on camera and lie like that? I remember, I remember exactly where I was sitting in my house when I saw it. And I thought her, her dad was a piece of shit and she's a piece of shit. And that is just feeding this crazy ass shit to all these crazy Christians and it makes them more and more and more vile. Which bred and incubated Trump. And you know, when facts don't matter.

[Pumps]

Anymore, in walks Trump and Maga. I mean, because you look at the last 10 years, I mean, we have just completely gotten away from facts and expertise 100%. Yeah, nobody cares.

[Jennifer]

All right, well, you know what, here's the thing, you guys. We just went off on all that. We were supposed to take calls from our callers with this article about the Brits banning American products, which listen, fiscal conservatives, you were short sighted. You thought about your income tax return for like couple of years. You thought about your 401k for like a couple of years. What he's doing is generational damage to a 250 year brand that was like, we are good at running an economy. And where we erred. And what led us vulnerable to this is we started valuing that economy over the lives of our citizens.

[Pumps]

Right?

[Jennifer]

And this is a reckoning that our country has to have. Yeah, we like capitalism, but it needs to be regulated. There needs to be safeguards. People shouldn't go bankrupt because they get cancer.

[Pumps]

Right?

[Jennifer]

All right, I want to thank everybody for tuning in today. Next episode. We will get your to your calls. This is just a hard time and we all need to lean on each other and it's difficult to process all of this. It's difficult to be an American. And it's just so weird that you can understand intellectually why a country would want to boycott absolutely our products. Because we don't stand for freedom right now. We're standing for some sort of, you know, dictatorship. And it's just gross. And disappearing people, people in a Hitlerian type style is just really, it's really stressful. But subscribe to our channel, buy our merch and we will see you all soon. I'll tell you what I've had it with. I've had it with that. Listen up patriots, gaytriots and natriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called I Hit Hip News. It's Monday through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America. Always served with a side of petty grievances.

[Pumps]

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[Jennifer]

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[Pumps]

Caca.

[Jennifer]

That's it. That's, that's kaka. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.