How To Lose Your Rights In 10 Days

Summary

Podcast Summary: I've Had It

Episode: "How To Lose Your Rights In 10 Days"
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie "Pumps" Sullivan
Guest: Josh Welch
Date: April 23, 2026

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Overview

In this irreverent, sharp-tongued episode, Jennifer, Angie, and guest Josh Welch tear into a week of political hypocrisy, culture war drama, and the exhausting absurdities of daily life in America under the resurgent MAGA movement and anti-LGBTQ legislation. The episode deftly balances biting political critique with deeply personal stories, gallows humor, and earnest allyship for marginalized communities—serving listeners a mix of outrage, reflection, and laughs.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Personal Grievances and Humor

• Group Text Hell: Josh rails against non-Apple group texts, sharing a hilarious anecdote about having to block his entire college fraternity group (including his best friends) because the notifications became intolerable.
  • Quote (Josh): "I love those motherfuckers to pieces... But man, I can't stay in this fucking group another day." [03:48]
• Haircut Inspirations and Family Anecdotes:
  Josh’s hair inspiration album includes celebrity cuts (Brad Pitt, Bradley Cooper, etc.), leading to playful mockery by the hosts.
• Airline “Gaslighting” (Kylie, [10:46]): Parent frustration with airlines’ fake apologies about flight delays due to crew shortages.

2. Petty Grievances with Broader Implications

• Street Trash Cans in NYC: Angie and Pumps riff on accusatory “Please Don’t Litter” signage, arguing it discourages civic behavior rather than encouraging it.
  • Quote (Pumps): "How about, thank you for throwing your litter away? But it’s like it’s misidentified. It’s like such a New York thing. Please don’t litter. And I’m like, the nerve." [12:34]
• Political Merchandise and Local Activism:
  Hosts champion progressive causes, wear "Tax Me" and "Anti-Billionaire Socialist Club" shirts, and call for increased taxes on the very wealthy.

3. LGBTQ Rights: Tennessee’s “Nuclear Family” Month & Broader GOP Culture War

• Tennessee Governor Renames Pride Month:
  Bill Lee (R) has declared June “Nuclear Family Month,” described by the hosts as a transparent, bigoted attack on LGBTQ+ families.
  • Quote (Pumps): “Anytime politicians say they support the 'traditional family,' that’s a red flag…This is hate legislation targeted to demean and shame the LGBTQ+ community.” [24:27]
• Hypocrisy and Outrage:
  The crew skewers local politicians like Lee and Marsha Blackburn, highlighting their performative morality and bills targeting drag performances and LGBTQ families.
  • Quote (Josh): "You don’t even have to say that kind of bullshit...these guys hide behind this myth of how they live their life. All these people celebrating this kind of bullshit are all cheating on their wives." [26:59]
• Power and Persecution Complex:
  Discussion about conservatives’ consistent claims of being “under attack,” despite total political control in the South.
  • Quote (Pumps): "These people have everything they want...And they’re still miserable, hysterical nut jobs, and they control everything." [32:16]

4. Caitlyn Jenner, Trans Rights, and the Pitfalls of MAGA Allyship

• Caitlyn Jenner’s Passport Drama:
  • Trump’s administration eliminates gender changes on federal documents.
  • Jenner, a Trump supporter, becomes a victim of anti-trans policy.
    • Quote (Pumps): “That dehumanization that you received from the Trump regime...that’s just the tip of the iceberg, baby girl. They have so much more in store for you.” [37:25]
• Entitlement vs. Solidarity:
  Hosts reflect on Jenner’s blindness to the systemic harm inflicted on less-privileged trans people versus her insulated experience as a celebrity.
  • Quote (Kylie): "She believes that it’s okay for others not to have rights. She can go down and party at Mar-a-Lago...But she’s special." [39:49]
• Broader point:
  • Attacks on trans rights are overt political scapegoating, moving the goalposts further right as gay marriage acceptance grows.
    • Quote (Pumps): “If we leave one group behind, then we leave everybody behind...You cannot allow for a marginalized group to be scapegoated.” [44:15]

5. The Loneliness of Minority Conservatives: Gay Trump Supporters

• Article Debrief: “Inside the Lonely World of MAGA Gay Men”:
  • Discussing the isolation and contradictory politics of gay men who support Trump, including their rationalizations and internalized bigotry.
    • Quote (Josh): “What seems to be missing is just the smallest element of common sense.” [54:15]

6. The Importance of Allyship and Unapologetic Confrontation

• Calling Out Bigotry:
  Hosts and guests stress that criticizing and confronting racism, homophobia, and anti-trans bigotry (even among family and friends) is a moral duty.
  • Quote (Pumps): “The worst part of homophobia and transphobia is the people that allow the racists and bigots in their life to operate with impunity. That’s the worst part.” [58:38]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Josh’s group text struggle:
  "I make a calculated decision...I can’t stay in this fucking group another day." [03:48]
• On Tennessee’s anti-LGBTQ laws:
  "This is hate legislation targeted to demean and shame the LGBTQ+ community." – Pumps [24:27]
• On right-wing victimhood:
  "You control every part of government...How the fuck are you under attack?" – Josh [30:54]
• On Caitlyn Jenner’s predicament:
  "She thought...he's going to make a carve out for me. And that's just not how it works." – Pumps [56:48]
• On confronting hate:
  "It’s not optional, it’s not discretionary. It’s an obligation on our part to stand up for marginalized groups of people." – Josh [47:14]
• On bigotry enablers:
  "The people who know better are the worst, most dangerous part of racism...That is the worst, most dangerous part." – Pumps [59:13]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• 01:40 – Josh’s group text hell story
• 06:54 – Josh's high school sports under the influence; team memories
• 10:46 – Airline gaslighting and flight crew shortages
• 12:34 – Trash can signage in NYC & public messaging
• 22:28 – Tennessee’s “Nuclear Family Month” & LGBTQ backlash
• 26:57 – Riffing on straight male politicians’ fragility
• 34:18 – Lampooning Marsha Blackburn’s “attack on family” narrative
• 34:28 – Caitlyn Jenner’s passport/gender debacle and larger MAGA hypocrisy [35:06+]
• 51:32 – “Lonely MAGA Gay Men” article & internalized oppression
• 58:38 – Call to unapologetically confront bigotry and support marginalized communities

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Conclusion

This episode is a raw, unfiltered takedown of modern right-wing culture wars, focusing on hypocrisy in anti-LGBTQ legislation and the moral responsibility to fight bigotry. The hosts give listeners both cathartic laughter and earnest encouragement to stand up for those under attack, blending their signature humor with deeply felt calls for allyship and justice.

Transcript

[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

So are we supposed to start the podcast?

[Kylie]

Ready? One, two, three.

[Pumps]

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[Angie]

dump trucker,

[Pumps]

what can they do?

[Angie]

Pumps.

[Pumps]

Okay. We are joined in studio today by none other than my husband, Josh Welch.

[Josh Welch]

Hi, ladies. Hello.

[Pumps]

A round of applause for Josh.

[Angie]

Yay.

[Pumps]

Let's start with our guest, Pumps. Josh, what have you had it with?

[Josh Welch]

I want to first say before I get into my. I've had it.

[Pumps]

Okay, let's hear it.

[Josh Welch]

That I remember back in the day, there was a time when you guys would call me and say, hey, Josh, in a pinch, we need a guest. We don't have anybody. And I would trot myself down to Jen's studio and be a guest. And now that we have this, like, mega star podcast, I'm still being asked to come back on. I think it's such a neat, awesome thing. I'm glad to be here. Pumps. I feel like the gang is back together. So. All right, let's jump in it.

[Pumps]

All right, Josh, what have you had it with?

[Josh Welch]

I've had it with. Of course everyone's going to say these large text groups, but I want to take it a little bit deeper. Okay, so if you're on a text thread with about 15 or 20 people, and if they're not all using Apple Phones, bear with me. Some people are on non Apple devices. You don't have the ability to leave the text thread without blocking every person in the thread. So trust me, I've been down this rabbit hole. I know what I'm talking about. I'm in this group with about 25, 30 fraternity brothers from Oklahoma State, many of whom I love dearly, many of whom I can't stand, and they're going on and on about something from, you know, back in the day. And I'm thinking, okay, I need to mute this. And then I mute it. And then still the red. Every five minutes. And so I realize, okay, I'm not just going to be able to mute it. I'm going to have to leave this. So I go and I look for the leave this conversation or leave this thread option, and it simply doesn't exist. So then I have to AI this issue. And it tells me that if you're in a group with Apple phones, non Apple devices, the only way to do that is you have to block the group, which in essence blocks every member of the group from calling you and something. God, that can't be right. Because there's about four or five keepers in this group of 30 that I just simply don't want to block. Yeah, out of 30, there's about four that are rock solid keepers that are die hards of mine from back in the day. So I make a calculated decision. I sit on it for about 24 hours and the notifications keep coming. And finally I reach a point where I say, look, these four or five, these die hards, I love those motherfuckers to pieces. Like, we've been in the trenches before, DUIs in college, me going to rehab, all this stuff. But man, I can't stay in this fucking group another day. I can't do it. So I make a calculated decision to block all members, including my four or five ride or dies, from the day. And you know what? After I did it, I felt pretty goddamn good about it, you know, I didn't have any remorse at all. And so to this day, I don't know if they've tried to reach out or not or if anybody's asking, hey, why the fuck can't I call you or te directly? I have no idea if they have or haven't. That's the beauty of just having blocked them all.

[Pumps]

And you don't know if anybody's died Heart attack? Brain aneurysm?

[Josh Welch]

No, no. Back to that. I've had it, though. I've had it that there's not an easier solution. Like, again, I didn't want to have to cut the cord with those four, those five guys. I love them. But when faced with the alternative of getting these notifications and reading this content, I felt like I had no other choice. So if you're listening or watching this and we were asshole best friends in the day and you've tried to call me and it appears that you're blocked, I'm so fucking sorry. This is why.

[Kylie]

Can you go in individually and unblock the people that you like?

[Josh Welch]

Or no, I think you can. I think you could take it that far. But then you have to do an autopsy, right?

[Kylie]

You have to go make a decision about each person.

[Josh Welch]

Each person. And then some were saved and some weren't saved. And I just thought, I'm just not going to get into that. Yeah. And then as a question as to whether or not it shows up as being blocked or not blocked. But it's no doubt that if you leave the group like you're in essence blocking everybody.

[Pumps]

Do you think that when you blocked the group that it said Josh Welch has blocked this group?

[Josh Welch]

I don't think it tells them because I don't know. I don't know. But there's a handful that would want to text me like personally, you know, like send me a text and say, you know, like one of them I went to a funeral for a family member for recently. So I mean, these are not just like third tier friends. These are like.

[Pumps]

But the, the onslaught of the text message, the group text was so bad that you were willing to sever friendships to get out of the group text.

[Josh Welch]

The content and, and look, I'm one that will beat a dead horse and tell a story from 1988, like ad nauseam. Don't get me wrong, I'll jump in that camp and tell some story about how I handed one handed catch and we beat Ida Bell. They were ranked number one in talk that shit all day long. But this was just going on and on and on and on over shit that I just simply wasn't interested in.

[Pumps]

Why don't you elaborate about the one handed catch?

[Josh Welch]

Well, it was against Idabel and they were ranked number one in the state and I was, I was second team all state that year. This would have been 1987. The Cure was my favorite band. Jesus and Mary Chain released their first album two years before. So anyway, I had a one Handed catch. It was on video. And back in my day in Hugo, they would replay the Friday night game on Saturday on the local cable. And so, like, we would all gather around and we'd say, okay, the play's coming, it's coming. You know, and this is the next day. They would play it. They'd play it. So we would all gather around and I would see, like, I just. I stuck this one arm out like this. I don't know if you're not watching, you can't see this amazing thing, but stuck this one arm and just reeled it in. Kind of like a Travis Kelce type.

[Pumps]

I have a question. I heard at a later date that you said that you were on ecstasy when you made this one handed catch.

[Josh Welch]

Yeah. Can we say that? I guess the statue limitations are surrounding that. Can we say that I took drugs before that game? I did.

[Pumps]

And you still, despite tripping on ecstasy on Molly, you caught a one handed.

[Josh Welch]

I think it enhanced my performance. I think that's why I'm such a believer in psychedelics for recovery. Yeah, I did as a senior in high school. Hate to admit that I did take ecstasy before a football game.

[Kylie]

Okay, Josh, let me ask you this. Weren't you also all state in tennis?

[Josh Welch]

Yeah. And that sort of brings up another topic, like. And I used to carry this newspaper clip in my car with me all the time. But I won the most valuable athlete award for Hugo high school in 1987. There's a picture of me on the front page and I'm accepting this trophy, this gigantic trophy with the coaches. And it was for my performance in tennis and football both.

[Kylie]

Oh, my gosh, I'd love to get my hands on that.

[Josh Welch]

There's a little bit of a funny story for that, too. My parents weren't there that night when I won this award because the night before I'd been pulled over by a highway patrolman and they had made me pour out all this beer in my car. And my dad was so mad at me, so I had to accept this gigantic trophy solo, alone. It's a little bit of history.

[Kylie]

Oh, I'm sorry that you didn't have an audience.

[Josh Welch]

I deserved it.

[Jennifer]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

I would sure love to see a photo, though. I would love to see that photo if Kylie can dig it up.

[Josh Welch]

No, I've got one. I've got it on my phone. I'll send it immediately. Maybe we can.

[Pumps]

It's in the photo album. Since Josh has been in New York, we go to the hair salon to get haircuts. And I'M over with my gal getting my hair colored. And Josh is over there with Vincent and he. I hear him pull out his phone and he's like, oh, Vincent, I've added some new images to the photo album because listener, he has a hair inspiration album in his phone and it. Who all is in the well.

[Josh Welch]

So there's. There's a picture of me when I had a really good cut that I wanted to record.

[Pumps]

Memorialize.

[Josh Welch]

Memorialize in the album. Bradley Cooper, obviously. Brad Pitt. Tom Brady, the guy recently from Succession that played the Brother. And I don't know his name, but

[Pumps]

I saw Jeremy Strong.

[Josh Welch]

Kendall Roy, I think Kendall. He had a really tight cut that I saw on Instagram screenshot. It.

[Pumps]

What about Harry Styles?

[Josh Welch]

Yeah, Harry Styles. He recently had a little bit of a kind of a mullet cut that I wanted to mimic. So anyway, Jennifer overheard me giving the stylist kind of the history of like, I initially wanted kind of the Brad Pitt cut to grow it out, but then I wanted to blend it into this new Harry Styles look where he has this kind of ruffles on the side and a little bit of a mullet. I thought it looked amazing. The point is, Jennifer's listening going, are you fucking kidding me?

[Pumps]

Which is kind of how I feel right now. Pumps. What have you had it with?

[Kylie]

What I've had it with is airlines that sit and lie to your face because my son. It was a whole flight bamfoozled. The crew wasn't there. So then on their app, it says, I'm sorry, we don't have a crew for this flight, but we value your time. I'm like, you don't value our time? Because if you valued our time, you would schedule pilots that would.

[Josh Welch]

Yeah, right.

[Pumps]

Just gaslighting. Gaslighters.

[Kylie]

Oklahoma City sucks. We're not.

[Josh Welch]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

Planes there. If we have, you know, don't have enough pilots. Pilots. But do not just. And you know what? Then they sent me a survey which was not good for them because, you know, I love a survey. So I was like, I love your app. I like the flight times. But you telling me that you value my time when you don't schedule a crew.

[Josh Welch]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

Is insulting to me.

[Josh Welch]

And that's just like, listen, say that you value me some of the time, but when you're in Oklahoma City and we're busy and we got shit going on, we don't value you all that much. Just be honest.

[Pumps]

Or just.

[Kylie]

How about we value your money, but fuck you, you can't get any money back thanks to the Trump Administration, so go fuck yourself. That I would at least appreciate the honesty.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

Yeah. All right, let me tell you guys what I've had it with. So I've noticed when I go to throw something away on the street in New York, they have trash cans pretty much on every corner, which I totally appreciate, because there are certain cities that

[Angie]

are very stingy with trash cans, not New York.

[Pumps]

And so when I go to the trash can, oftentimes I have a poop bag, because unlike Kylie, I pick up when my dog poops. I immediately swoop it up. Right. Because I'm a good citizen. Kylie does not. Yeah, no. She leaves her dog's poop on the street. She admitted that.

[Angie]

But nonetheless.

[Pumps]

So I have this poop bag, and then I walk over to the trash can, and on the trash can it says, please don't litter. And I'm like, I'm fucking not littering. How about, thank you for throwing your litter away? But it's like it's misidentified. It's like such a New York thing. Please don't litter. And I'm like, the nerve. I actually am not. I'm actually bringing this to the trash can.

[Josh Welch]

Right. The only way you would see the don't litter sign is if you're not

[Pumps]

littering, you're not littering.

[Josh Welch]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

Yeah. So I want to bring this to Mayor mom Donnie's attention. And Mr. Mayor, my husband and I are both wearing shirts from the dsa. Mine says, I'm rich. Tax me. Josh is a member of the anti

[Angie]

billionaire socialist club over there.

[Pumps]

Yeah. Because we. We wholeheartedly believe that Kathy Hochul needs to raise the taxes on the billionaire bedwetters. The billionaire bedwetters that are like, oh, my God, I'll never notice this missing money if I have to pay more in taxes. So I'm going to fight hard for that, but I need a little bit of. It doesn't cost too much money. This. These. These aggressive, accusatory messages on the city trash cans. Please don't litter.

[Angie]

I'm not littering.

[Josh Welch]

It's just a typical New York thing. Instead of just giving you. Kind of embracing what you're doing. Giving you a hug. It just has a little bit of a bite to it. Kind of a fuck you to it. Yeah.

[Pumps]

Please don't let her. I'm like, I'm not trash can. Who's litter? I'm not littering. You are. I know you are, but what am I? All right, welcome to I've had it.

[Kylie]

I'm Jennifer. I'm Angie.

[Josh Welch]

And I'm Josh now.

[Pumps]

You should say, and I'm an alcoholic

[Josh Welch]

drug addict. But for some reason, addict has a little more bite to it.

[Angie]

Does it?

[Pumps]

You think it gives you more street cred as a person in recovery.

[Josh Welch]

You know, you think alcoholic, you think 85. You're at home, you're drinking whiskey. I want to be a little racier than that.

[Angie]

It's true.

[Josh Welch]

Opiates or crack or.

[Angie]

You earned it.

[Pumps]

Yeah, you earned that title, baby. All right, let's in. In light of lesbian visibility week, I would like to have Kyl come on.

[Angie]

Here is.

[Pumps]

Here we are making lesbians visible.

[Angie]

Here is a visible lesbian glow on that gal.

[Pumps]

That is a glowing, visible lesbian.

[Producer/Assistant]

Very visible.

[Pumps]

And what we wanted to do, Kylie in pump. So Josh is in New York for the week, and he has subbed in on IHIP News.

[Angie]

He's our guest today. And I believe that we have some comments in the comment section from Josh's most recent performance here on our channel.

[Josh Welch]

I hope these. I mean, you know what a pussy I am about these comments.

[Producer/Assistant]

Well, I found out he's probably likely already read all of these.

[Kylie]

I'd be shocked if he hasn't.

[Josh Welch]

All right, here's at least the good ones, right?

[Producer/Assistant]

Here's the first one. This is from Pamboy, and he says, josh is back. Skin moisturized, hair quaffed, mind sharper than ever.

[Josh Welch]

God, Pam boy.

[Kylie]

Exactly right.

[Pumps]

I love Pam boy. Pamboy actually lives in Paris.

[Josh Welch]

Is Pamboy a female or a male?

[Pumps]

Male.

[Josh Welch]

Oh, boy. I love you. Thank you.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Producer/Assistant]

Okay, and then this one says, omg, your guest looks ill. Something is terribly wrong with him.

[Jennifer]

Jk.

[Producer/Assistant]

Jk, Josh messing with you. You're probably fine.

[Kylie]

Probably.

[Josh Welch]

Probably. I don't know. I think there's sufficient grounds to be concerned about me. I might agree with her.

[Producer/Assistant]

Okay, and then the next one we've got here says, every time we get a little Josh, I'm reminded of how extremely good looking he is. Dang. Nina out of 10, highly recommend. Sorry, Jen.

[Josh Welch]

Just Chuck. You're hitting right buttons here, baby.

[Angie]

Just Chuck official.

[Pumps]

I have to go home with this narcissist.

[Josh Welch]

I like it. Just Chuck.

[Producer/Assistant]

All right, one last one says, nice to see sexy Josh back, but why no shorts? Great podcast, as always. And in case people are new here, I just wanted to remind them, I think this is what they're referring to in the past.

[Josh Welch]

Yeah, I want to talk about this setup hit job that you guys did on me too, because Jennifer and I go and work out, she doesn't tell me anything. About what we're doing and says, oh, by the way, we're filming. And I say, are my shorts going to show up in this? And he goes, oh, no, no, you're fine. And so then we film. And then the next day I see the comments and like every other one is, what the fuck is. Who is this guy and what's he wearing? It's like, God damn it.

[Producer/Assistant]

I actually have one more visual here for everybody.

[Pumps]

Riley, set up a live feed. Live feed. Short cam. There he is. I'm gonna put my hand.

[Kylie]

I like the high socks with the short shorts.

[Pumps]

Well, I mean, it's so dorky. He wears these compression socks.

[Kylie]

No, I know. I'm being facetious, Kylie. Too bad you can't get in the bowels of when Josh and Jennifer won the pickleball tournament. And he had on the shorty shorts,

[Producer/Assistant]

it looks like panties.

[Kylie]

The camera was front on.

[Tommy Lahren]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

And he was spread eagle. And it looked like he had.

[Jennifer]

Why does he know?

[Josh Welch]

Well, see, I alluded to that kind of stuff earlier. That's back in the day when y' all would literally give me three minutes notice and say, hey, get your ass down here. So I'd just show up thinking, okay, what are we gonna do? And then we film something and I look like a

[Kylie]

Josh. If you weren't such an adorable person, we couldn't tease you like we did pumps.

[Josh Welch]

You're so sweet.

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[Pumps]

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[Angie]

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[Pumps]

All right, I have some news stories I want to share with everybody. So the Tennessee governor, his name is

[Angie]

Billy, and he is designating June as

[Pumps]

Nuclear Family Month, primarily because he's a ridiculous. That's why. Because this guy is a prick. Let's pop up the first slide. Tennessee governor renames Pride Month Nuclear Family Month. And what I would like to see is Governor Bill Lee's search history.

[Kylie]

Absolutely.

[Pumps]

And I would like to have those. Those nodules hooked up to Governor Lee's and play porn for him, a variety of it. Gay porn, trans porn, you know, girl, all the porns. And see what kind of reaction we have, because I'm thinking it's not Mormon panty, missionary. That's what I think. All right, go to the next slide.

[Angie]

Tennessee has declared June Nuclear Family Month, prompting criticism from the LGBTQ advocates who

[Pumps]

view the move as opposing Pride Month. Republican Gov.

[Angie]

Bill Lee signed the resolution on April

[Pumps]

9 after it passed the state legislator. What a bunch of. The measure defines a nuclear family as one husband, one wife, and any biological adopted or fostered children. Next up, it describes that model as aligned with Tennessee's traditional values and God's perfect design for humanity. The resolution is symbolic and does not carry legal force.

[Angie]

LGBTQ residents can still celebrate Pride and display related flags. Critics, including glaad, which we love glaad

[Pumps]

argue that the resolution is an attempt to diminish the LGBTQ community and highlight

[Angie]

the diversity of modern family structures.

[Pumps]

And here's what I want to say. 12 times out of 10, anytime politicians say that they are for traditional family

[Angie]

and they support family, that is a

[Pumps]

red flag, because it's not something you have to say. Everybody's pro family when they use the moniker or the adjectives of traditional. They're using that to be bigoted. This is hate legislation targeted to demean and shame the LGBTQ+ community.

[Angie]

So my message for all of the

[Pumps]

Americans, particularly white women, that enjoy all of the multiculturalism of your gay hairdresser, your gay trainer, your gay physician, that enjoy all that gay fashion, Bravo television,

[Angie]

and then you go out and triple

[Pumps]

Trump, you're voting for hate, and you're a goddamn hypocrite. And I've had it.

[Josh Welch]

I couldn't agree more. And I'll say this. Back in the day in Oklahoma, whenever someone told me, hey, he comes from a good family or he's a good family man, I would say to myself, okay, my kids can't spend the night over at their kids house. That's the first thing that tells me, these people are fucked up, okay? Otherwise you wouldn't have to say that.

[Jennifer]

That.

[Josh Welch]

And back to that. Tennessee Nuclear Family Month. I wonder how many pumps, how many people get divorced these days, like I think nationally. Okay, so then we can shave that number for those dumb in Tennessee in half. So. Because they've all been married, they've now been divorced.

[Angie]

So whatever.

[Pumps]

So is that traditional?

[Josh Welch]

Yeah. Is that. If you.

[Kylie]

Here's a great question. Do you get to like, does Christy Gnome include Corey Lewandowski in her photo? And is Brian wearing his balloon?

[Pumps]

Interesting. Hang on, interesting. You just brought up Big Titty Brian. Because our producers have dug up an image of the first prick of the state of Tennessee. Of course, I'm referring to Governor Bill Lee in drag. Pop this up there is Billy in Dragon High School. As governor, he signed the Adult Entertainment act banning public drag performances, making a first offense a misdemeanor and a second a felony. I don't know what kind of pussy. If you have to rate pussies on a scale of 0 to 10, if you claim to be a man, a family man, traditional man, American values man, and you are triggered and scared of gay people and drag queens, on the pussy scale, how big of a pussy is that?

[Kylie]

20?

[Josh Welch]

Yeah. At least a 12. 13 on a 1 to 10. Yeah.

[Pumps]

I mean, you're a straight man.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Josh Welch]

You don't even have to say that kind of bullshit. And what's worse is that these guys hide behind this myth of how they live their life. This myth, like all these people celebrating this kind of bullshit are all cheating on their wives. They're all living this life that is full of, according to them, sin, lying, whatever it is, and condemning people, the gay community, for just simply being who they are, that don't do anything to anyone other than just show up and be who they are. And it's, it's, it's really a. Disgusting guys like that. I mean, it's just really disgusting.

[Kylie]

Yeah, it's insecure. So people, they, they want people to believe that there's something that they're trying to convince themselves that they are, when in reality they're the furthest thing away from it.

[Pumps]

And what you, are you talking about straight? Is that what you're talking about?

[Kylie]

Well, no, I'm just talking about people that have to put other people down.

[Pumps]

Yeah, I was making a joke. Yeah, sorry, that was being cheeky.

[Josh Welch]

And what you do is you just live this life by example. You don't have proclamation to say, hey, I'm gonna. We're gonna fucking celebrate this. You just live it by example. Be a good Person, be a good human being. You know, respect other people. Be kind. Hate it.

[Pumps]

Okay, speaking of Tennessee, we have Marcia Blackburn.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

She's a total C U n T. And now she is running for governor and she has been cheering on Bill Lee's homophobia. Pop this up. Here's Senator Marsha Blackburn. Bravo, Tennessee. The nuclear family is under attack and the Volunteer State is fighting back. What attack are these people talking about? What are they talking about? What attack is it like if you do not like drag shows, do not go to the drag show. You don't like drag queen story hour. Do not go to the story hour. You don't like gay sex. Do not have gay sex. You don't like gay hookups. Do not get on Grindr. There is no agenda. There is no attack. This is delusional shit that makes me think milady doth protest too much. Like, what are they talking about?

[Josh Welch]

They have to have a boogeyman. They have to have this boogeyman and it's just a straw figure. Like, there's no issue here. There's no. They're not under attack. Nobody's trying to take anything from us.

[Pumps]

And speaking of attack, Martha, Marcia, Marsha Blackburn, whatever the her name is, Marsha Blackburn voted against the reauthorization of the Violence Against Women Attack Women Act. So women getting attacked. She voted against that in 2013 because it expanded to include LGBTQ+, Native American and undocumented victims of domestic violence. She also voted against fair pay for women.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

And is a climate change denier. And so I just want to say this. We're beating up on Tennessee a little bit right now. Listen, we beat up on all the red states. We're from red states. So all of those blue dots in Tennessee, we see you and we know that you are more disgusted about this shit than anybody. But this. This bullshit that MAGA Republicans are pro family, pro child, pro business is the biggest lie. These people are an anti family death cult that enable pedophilia and participate in pedophilia and are consumed with the genitalia and the sex lives of others. MAGA is an anti family death cult. Say it over and over and over again.

[Josh Welch]

Let me add one thing to places like Tennessee and Oklahoma, where we live. If you don't like what's going on in your neighborhood, if you don't like what's happening with your politics, look around. It's all fucking Republicans that control it in the state legislature, your state senators, your US Senators, your governor, where we live, you're not under attack. You run everything. How the fuck are you under attack? Like, you control every part of government, every facet. You're shoving bibles up people's asses at schools. Yeah, like, you don't. You don't. You're not being attacked. And so it's just a false argument. It's just bullshit.

[Kylie]

I wish that people in these red states, and Republicans, particularly MAGA Republicans, were as worried about elite white men in a pedophile ring trafficking and sexually abusing little girls. I wish they would put all the energy that they go against drag time, story hour, or, you know, a thousand percent pumps. It's just like, where are you putting your energy? You're fine for kids to be raped and sexually abused. You're fine with that. But the nuclear families under attack shut the up.

[Josh Welch]

Right? It's.

[Pumps]

And then right now, for Marcia Blackburn to have sent that tweet out recently, to Josh's point, not only does Tennessee have a Republican super majority statewide, but federally right now, yeah, there is a Republican super majority, a Supreme Court stacked against everybody, and a bunch of oligarchs that are such pussies, they make participation trophies and take it to the president and present them them to them and bend over and I'm like, what's the point of even being rich if you have to go kiss this guy's ass? So these people have everything they want, especially Marsha Blackburn. She's in the majority in the Senate. She's got little Moses, Mike Grinder Johnson in the House that will not do shit unless Trump tells him to do it. She's got Trump, J.D. vance, all of the assholes at the Supreme Court, and then all of the oligarchs that have bent the knee. And these people are still miserable, hysterical nut jobs, and they control everything. And they're such pussies, and they're such cowards. They still claim we are under attack. Who is attacking you? Marcia, it looks like a goddamn bird attacked your hair, the last time I checked. Kylie, get a picture of her. Get a picture of her hair up on here. It's unbelievable.

[Josh Welch]

I keep wanting to say, Marcia, Marcia,

[Pumps]

the only thing under attack is this woman's hair. And I would argue that she could use a little LGBTQ hairdresser in her life, because there is. This is a huge argument against heterosexual hair design. Let me just say that. Look at that.

[Kylie]

Oh, my gosh, look at that.

[Pumps]

I mean, look at that. I mean, yeah, Marcia, you're under attack. You're under attack by straight people. Yeah, that's straight on straight Great crime, sis. Yeah, yeah, that is. Or if it is a gay person. That was beautiful. Well done.

[Kylie]

Very well done.

[Pumps]

Very well. Diabolical. Okay, moving along to Caitlyn Jenner. Caitlyn Jenner, as everybody knows, is a

[Angie]

trans woman and maga.

[Pumps]

And everybody knows that. We just heard from Marsha Blackburn. Marsha's under attack by trans people, right? So here's Caitlyn Jenner, who I think she thought that it was a good idea to be maga, Right? So now she is shocked as that the transphobic rules that the Trump regime has passed. And basically what they have done is if you're a trans man or woman, you typically. Because Caitlyn presents female, she's transitioned to a female. So she wants her passport to say

[Angie]

fish for female when she travels.

[Pumps]

Trump, Marco Rubio, Smokey ass sociopath. JD Vance. It's got to be whatever on your birth certificate. So Caitlyn Jenner gets her passport back

[Angie]

and it is changed back to male.

[Pumps]

Male.

[Angie]

And she's having a stage five meltdown.

[Pumps]

Pop this up. Caitlyn Jenner says her passport came back marked male under Trump's gender policy. She's reaching out for help. Okay, let's play the video.

[Tommy Lahren]

I had to get it renewed. I sent it back, comes back, gender marker M screws everything up. So there's a form in there. If they made a mistake, you can correct it. So I fill out all the proper forms. I'm not calling anybody. I'm not calling the president. You know, I got his personal cell number. I'm not calling anybody. I'm going to see if I can fix this myself. Because it's not just about me. It's about all people in this situation. So I even sent a hard copy of my birth certificate. Category, gender, sex, female. I did everything. And they sent it back M. They didn't change it at all. So now I'm in a position, Tommy, that what do I do?

[Angie]

Right? What do you do?

[Tommy Lahren]

This is a safety factor, okay? I can't travel internationally anymore. Okay? I can't use my passport. I can use Global Entry. It says F. I can do this. I can travel in the United States. License, you know, driver's license, pilots.

[Pumps]

I've heard enough. I've heard enough. Here's what you do, Caitlin.

[Angie]

You quit supporting bigots, and you quit

[Pumps]

supporting Trump, and you atone for your own internalized bigotry and then be a champion for trans people everywhere because you're not the special magic trans person as you just found out that Mag is going to Make a caveat or an excuse for the cruelty that you just received. That dehumanization that you received from the Trump regime. And changing your gender back to your passport, despite triple trumping, despite humiliating yourself on the national stage, that's just the tip of the iceberg, baby girl. They have so much more in store for you.

[Angie]

It's unbelievable.

[Pumps]

This is just wild. And so, just to give y' all a little backdrop on this, his first day in office, Donald Trump, he signed an executive order directing federal agencies to recognize only biological sex at birth. The state, State Department immediately stopped processing gender marker changes and eliminated the X option. In that interview, Jenner is giving an interview to Tommy Lahren. She, Tommy Lahren has said that trans people, quote, have a psychological condition that would make the military less effective and repeatedly defended Trump's trans military ban. And I just want to say there are so many wonderful trans military members, and this is just cruelty for the

[Angie]

point of being cruel.

[Pumps]

And so this is what she's finding out. Tommy Lahren also, she called gender identity

[Angie]

in schools radical LGBTQ plus grooming.

[Pumps]

And so here we have Caitlyn Jenner going into the belly of the beast. What does she think? Tommy Lahrens, everyone's gonna go, oh, my God, we're for trans rights. Now. Let's reverse the path thing.

[Josh Welch]

I'm gonna go on a limb here and say that Caitlyn Jenner isn't very smart. And so, and I don't, I certainly don't follow her or anything that she does or I know who she is. But you read that clip and you see a little bit of this, and it really is just jaw dropping at how ill informed or how, I don't want to use an improper word, but how ignorant she is. And then it makes you think that that's why a lot of these people vote against their interest, because they're so ill informed or they're so ignorant. And I say those words politely or as polite as you can. But how else do you explain that? How else do you explain choosing to go on this particular podcast with this particular message? You know, it's just something. I don't know. I mean, I'm not the sharpest stick ever, but goddamn, she makes me look like Einstein.

[Kylie]

Yeah, well, I think it's entitlement. And she is, she believes that it's okay for others not to have rights. She can go down and party at Mar a Lago. I think she takes her partner with her and they take pictures and you see this. But she's special. She doesn't have to worry about all of the bigotry and hate being spread by this regime. She's special. You heard her say, I have Trump's personal cell phone number.

[Josh Welch]

And there's a component to that. Two pumps, I think, that you touch on. And that a lot of the trans community suffer financially, too. Like Caitlyn Jenner's never suffered anything financially. And that changes your whole landscape. When you don't have resources and you don't have money and you're suffering this hate and discrimination, it's a game changer. It makes it totally different. And so she is. She's a privileged woman who's never had to embrace the discomfort associated with the way trans people are being treated in this country. And, and so I think you hit it.

[Kylie]

I just, I can't. And, you know, she says, well, I can still work on my driver's license. Kansas now is not allowing driver's license. Like, it's happening. It started federally, but it, the shit rolls downhill and it's rolling downhill. And for her to say that she's not safe, but yet she can't apply that to other trans people, I just, it makes me want to scream, yeah, nobody's safe under this regime.

[Josh Welch]

Can you imagine if you're, you know, 16 years old in rural Oklahoma, in a town of 2,000 people, and you're trans? I mean, how you feel, you know, and to not if you're a trans person like she is, with the means and resources that she has, that you don't feel a certain level of empathy for those people, like an obligation to help them, because you know what it feels like on a smaller scale. I mean, it's, it's, it's a real

[Pumps]

testament to the moral rot that MAGA is. And I just think it's really important to notice right now. Rahm Emanuel was on Bill Maher last weekend, and Rahm Emanuel did that same shtick that he did when he was on our podcast. You know, that Democrats are really good in the we weren't good at the kitchen table issues. We weren't good in the living room. The only issue we talked about was the bathroom, that hole where Rahm Emanuel thinks he's going to be the savior of the Democratic Party party. And as long as we don't talk about trans people or marginalized people, then we're going to win elections. And I just think this is so idiotic of Rahm Emanuel and a lot of other Democrats because, number one, the people who talk about culture wars, the Most we've made the case that Marsha Blackburn is under attack.

[Kylie]

Right.

[Pumps]

Despite them controlling fucking everything. The ads that were most effective and that I believe the hate groups spent, I think, $200 million. Something insane. Don't quote me on that. But was the anti trans ad.

[Kylie]

Yep.

[Pumps]

Trump, Kamala is for they them. Trump is for you. So it's the right wing that is constantly marginalizing trans people. So then you think, okay, so why

[Angie]

are they doing this?

[Pumps]

Why? Well, gay rights, gay marriage has accelerated at such a rate in our lifetime that we remember when it was completely illegal. Hell, Obama ran for president in 08 against gay marriage. And then Joe Biden, the vice president, trotted out that he supported it and it moved super quickly. So everybody has kind of moved on the gay issue. So then they have to move the goalpost back and pick on the most marginalized, less than 1% of the population. And I want every trans person to know that there are people in this country that are fighting for you, that see you, and we know what they're doing. We know they are using you and what I believe is your beautiful, unique uniqueness, in a way to shame you and be disparaging about you. And then once they have a majority that they think hate you enough, then they're going to start moving the goalposts. Because if we leave one group behind, then we leave everybody behind. And so anytime Democratic politician that's quick to throw trans people under the bus, they are a liar, a snake in the grass, and not a very smart student of history is all I have to say. You cannot allow for a marginalized group to be scapegoated. And we, as you know, Democratic voters in a Democratic party have to defend the most marginalized people against us. And it's not. Here's what I have to say. Nobody fucking wakes up in rural Democrats dumb Tennessee, right, Or Oklahoma, and says, you know what? I want to with my religious family today and I want to with all the people at my church, and I'm gonna go play tennis at high school, and then I'm going to be a D1 athlete and I'm going to game the system and I'm going to win Wimbledon. That does not happen. It doesn't exist. This is not a choice. This is. You need to meet people where they are and embrace them and love them. And I just. Caitlyn Jenner is horrific. And, you know, when she goes to Mar a Lago, you know, she uses the women's restroom.

[Kylie]

Of course she does. Yeah.

[Pumps]

And there's a Couple of other trans maga. Trans influencers too.

[Kylie]

I've seen. I just, I don't understand it. And I have to say, because I have a stone cold heart. When I saw that this was happening to her, as much as I hate it for other innocent people that all they want to do is be loved and be happy and just have what everybody else has. When I saw she, she was outraged about this.

[Angie]

You loved it for her.

[Kylie]

I loved it for her. I just thought, you know, nobody deserves this more than you, Caitlyn. You can prance around at Mar a Lago and you can have your head up Donald Trump's ass, but now you can't travel outside the United States. And you know what I have to say about that.

[Pumps]

Good.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Josh Welch]

You're kind of torn. I know.

[Kylie]

And my immediate thought was, oh, I hate that. And then I thought, but I like that it's happening.

[Josh Welch]

And really for me, it's just, how can you be that so self absorbed that you don't understand how other trans people, without the resources and means that you have, the struggles that they're going through, how can you not see that with just this one little sprinkle of a problem that you have in California in your multi million dollar mansion? How do you not want to reach out and help someone that grows up in a much different environment where it's much more toxic, where you wake up every day and hate is spewed at you simply because you're different, because you are different. Not because you chose to be different, but because you are different. I don't understand that. And to Jennifer's point, and you two pumps, I think we all think that it's an obligation on our part. It's not optional, it's not discretionary. It's an obligation on our part to stand up for marginalized groups of people. It's what I do in my work as a criminal defense lawyer all day. And I think I admire both you and Jennifer for day in, day out protecting this community because I know that they need it and they need a voice and fierce advocates like both of you. So I commend you both.

[Pumps]

Well, thank you.

[Kylie]

And I would just say, having been super from my personal life when I was rolling around and super Christian and all that other people's problems didn't apply to me. I was so entitled, I was so narcissistic. I thought I was so personally special that nobody else's problems affected me because I'm special and I'm better and you know, all the things that go with that. And then when that light bulb goes on and that peels away and you realize, I mean, you just for me, it's like I have to not. You can't erase the wrong, but I have to amend.

[Pumps]

You have to atone.

[Kylie]

You have to, you know, make amends for that. And so, Caitlyn Jenner, it is time for you to be an upstanding person that talks, speaks out about this.

[Pumps]

I don't think she's going to. Well, no, I don't think that's going to happen because we also can throw in sociopathy and psychopathy. And just because you're trans doesn't mean you can't fall prey to that type

[Angie]

of, of, of issue.

[Pumps]

And clearly there's something deeply, deeply wrong with Caitlyn Jenner.

[Angie]

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[Angie]

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[Pumps]

want to segue over to something similar. This is an article and it's Inside the Lonely World of MAGA Gay Men. Pop this up. This is via Uncloseted by the Gay Times Magazine In a time when gay rights are under attack in the us a minority of gay American men are

[Angie]

still staunch Trump supporters.

[Pumps]

Why? So basically this article goes through here's Evan. He was devastated about having to tell his boyfriend he voted for Trump.

[Angie]

And as you can see on the

[Pumps]

screen here, he called. He was nervous. And then his boyfriend called him a racist and a white supremacist. Evan is 21 years old. Also, it notes that 83% of queer men typically vote Democrat, and they do that because Democrats are a lot more

[Angie]

inclusive and promote equality.

[Pumps]

And the Trump regime has increased all sorts of anti LGBTQ plus hate legislation. Move along. People think that I hate myself, says Evan, for being gay, or that I'm a gay traitor.

[Angie]

And then there's nick Duncan. He's 43.

[Pumps]

He can relate to Evan's fears. I mostly get hatred. I never lost a conservative friend because I'm gay, but I lost all my gay friends because I'm conservative, says Duncan. And then Chris Dhoni's 56 voting Republican is the only choice that makes sense for him. He believes voting for a Democrat goes directly against his interest as a queer man. This is pretty interesting. Conservatives don't want to murder gays, they want them saved, he says. Muslims vote Democrat because if the Democrats win, they get to stay in the us they get to take power and they will murder gays brutally, blah blah. So my point in bringing all of this up is, is that every with Caitlyn Jenner, with these gay men here,

[Angie]

with Clarence Thomas, with some of the

[Pumps]

Latinos, for Trump, there is a political ideology that they do not value universal Human rights. They like the idea of being a marginalized group and probably hate that about themselves for such a. Whatever reason. And they feel like if they can pile on and bully with the patriarchy, then it satisfies something in this. In the case of the guy that, the last gay guy there that was like the Muslims and all that, he clearly was just raised by a bunch of racists.

[Josh Welch]

Right.

[Pumps]

You know, and that can happen to gay people, lesbians. I mean, nobody, everybody can fall prey to this.

[Angie]

But.

[Josh Welch]

But what seems to be missing is just the smallest element of common sense. I mean, I'm not trying to paint this in an intellectual rhyme, but it's just seriously. And it would welcome embracing some of these issues or having a conversation with some of these people. But I didn't see anywhere in those four or five slides where there was a valid reason for why they voted.

[Kylie]

Right. What is it?

[Josh Welch]

Republican instead of Democrat? Other than, I think there was a mention that, that Democrats are gonna murder them. Murder them. Yeah. Which is just completely irrational.

[Pumps]

Which. The Republicans actually murdered Renee Good, you know, lesbian mother of three kids with her black lab in the back of the car. And then after the ICE agent shot her, he said. What'd he say? Fucking bitch.

[Angie]

Isn't that what he said to her?

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

Yeah. And so this, you know, as frustrating as that is, it we have, this shows you that you, you have to provide allyship to these groups, whether it be black people and stand really strongly against anti black racism. White people like us calling out racists in our lives. Every. Everything of research points to that, that on a, on a person, to person way, calling out homophobia, you know, drawing the line with, I'm, you know, you're a homophobe and that community's under attack and I really don't share values with you and I don't want to do anything with you anymore. It's just, that's what it's going to take to stand up for this community, these communities, because that's how under attack they are, in my opinion.

[Kylie]

No, I agree. And I think one, I think one to one. Just from my perspective, Jennifer, in our relationship and going through, you know, like talking about what I believed, okay, you know, Moses, part of the Red Sea, all that, and you ask factual questions. I think when you present the facts to someone, it requires them to think about it, whether they admit they're thinking about it or whether. So you have, have to. It's like a thousand little paper cuts. At least it was for me. Point something out and just how you know, that was racist. I don't appreciate, you know, on and on until you just say, I'm out. And it makes people think, at least that's my perspective.

[Pumps]

Well, and it also, you can't normalize bigotry. Bigots are always looking for a permission structure to be able to be a bigot in peace. And Caitlyn Jenner wants to be a bigot towards, bizarrely, the LGBTQ community. And she thought that, okay, I like this. I like beating up on all these woke LGBTQ plus people and I'm Trump's magic trans woman and he's going to make it a carve out for me. And that's just not how it works. And it goes to Josh's larger point. There's an ignorant stupidity factor to this as well. You know, like lacking all self awareness, observational skills.

[Josh Welch]

There are, and we run into that. And also in rural areas where I think some people are well intended, but they're not very educated or they haven't been subjected to a lot of different cultures and different types of people. And so if I say someone is ignorant, I don't necessarily mean that in a derogatory way, but there's a lot of, you know, I do. I'm not as informed on certain things as other people. But the one thing I do agree with, with both of you is that when it does come to racism and marginalized groups, I think it's smart to be very unapologetic about having their backs and calling it out and normalizing that. And sometimes when you do that, it requires you to get down in the mud with these motherfuckers, for lack of a better word, and sling it with them. And whether that's good, whether that's bad, you're doing it because you're protecting a group of people that not very many people have the courage to stand up for. And that makes it right, in my opinion.

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Yeah, no one is a better defender and confronter. No one is a better confronter of racism than Josh Welch. I mean, he just absolutely, positively will call out a racist bigot immediately. And if he thinks somebody's a racist, if they even kind of look like a racist, he's like, they're not allowed in our house. When Colin Kaepernick was treated like by the NFL, Josh was so outraged, he comes to me and he's like, I'm banning the NFL in the house. I don't want you watching the NFL. I'm like, I'm gonna sneak off and watch Dallas Cowboys or something. You Know, like whatever. But it in RA raged him for years, the way Colin Kaepernick was treated. And there's the worst part of racism, the worst part of homophobia, the worst part of transphobia are the people that allow the racists and the bigots in their life to operate with impunity. That's the worst part, because if you go to Josh's point, the racist or the transform or the homophobe is ignorant to their racism. So the person who knows it's racist, who knows how dangerous it is, who knows how bigoted it is, that doesn't call it out. That's the worst. That is the worst, most dangerous part of racism. The people that allow it, that know better, those are racist enablers. And I think that's far worse than the people who live out in the trailer park in rural Oklahoma or rural Tennessee that have been served up this here's your scapegoat. Here's the people you hate. Here's why you can't have nice things. Here's why you're wages never go up. Here is why you can't have health care. The people who know better are the worst perpetuators of racism, in my opinion.

[Josh Welch]

That's right. And I will say this. At many of your shows, you've had maybe a trans child and a parent that's come up to each of you, and then you hear these stories about how the parent has had to think about things differently and evolve because of their child. And so. And a lot of these people are in smaller, more rural communities and more traditional states or conservative states. And so good for those people. Good for those people for seeing things. I'm sorry that it took maybe your child to be trans for you to understand this, but welcome. We embrace you. Thank you for your support, but you see that a lot. And it's your shows, both of your shows you have. We have kids that come up all the time and thank both of you for what you do and how much it means to people. So don't ever forget that. I know both of you won't because you take it so seriously, but it's such an important thing that you do. And I see it day in and day out when I'm with Jennifer, so thanks for having me.

[Pumps]

All right, I think that is all we have for today. Josh, thank you for guesting. He's here all week. We'll probably squeeze another episode out of him. But in the interim, please know if you're new to I've had it. This is the Tuesday Thursday podcast and then every single day we have I hip News, which are digestible bite sized nuggets of news. So make sure you're subscribed to both of those wherever you get your podcast. They're under one umbrella. Just the I've had it podcast YouTube channel and we'll see you soon. Tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that.

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