Land of the Free-ish

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Land of the Free-ish"

I've Had It Episode Release Date: June 5, 2025
Hosts: Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan

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Introduction

In the "Land of the Free-ish" episode of I've Had It, Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan delve into contemporary societal frustrations with their signature comedic flair. Skipping over promotional segments and diving straight into the heart of the conversation, the hosts engage in candid discussions about political dynamics, personal anecdotes, and broader cultural observations.

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Media and Trump's Influence

Jennifer and Angie kick off the episode by expressing their frustration with how the media handles former President Donald Trump. They critique the media's leniency and perceived enabling behavior towards Trump, highlighting his controversial actions and inconsistent rhetoric.

• Jennifer remarks at [04:00]:
  "It's amazing to me how easy, easy the media is on Trump and has been for, like, 10 years, how he just gets away with so much."

• Angie adds at [05:58]:
  "Sometimes, especially with family members, it's just easier not to stir the pot. It's just easier to ignore it and go on. And that's something that is becoming increasingly more difficult and dangerous."

They discuss the systemic deference given to certain political and societal groups, emphasizing how this undermines human rights and perpetuates power imbalances.

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The DoorDash Dilemma

A significant portion of the episode revolves around Jennifer's experience with a DoorDash delivery, sparking a humorous yet thought-provoking debate about modern reliance on technology to avoid human interaction.

• Jennifer shares her story at [07:17]:
  "The other day I ordered doordash. ... I answered the phone. And he goes, hey, Jennifer, this is Randy, your doordash driver. Just wanted to let you know I'm pulling up right now."

• Angie responds at [09:26]:
  "I do the doordash because I want to avoid putting a bra on. It's easier for me to see."

This leads to a broader conversation about loneliness, human connection, and the evolving role of delivery drivers in personal lives. The hosts entertain the idea of relationships forming through such interactions, blending humor with genuine societal commentary.

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Listener Contributions and Personal Anecdotes

Kylie, a recurring participant, offers insights and reactions to the hosts' discussions:

• At [12:41], Kylie comments on the DoorDash situation:
  "I think that that is sweet that he did that. I like that he's doing that. I would hate it. That's literally what I'm trying to avoid."

The conversation shifts as Angie recounts past personal stories, including affairs with personal trainers and humorous mishaps in college, adding a personal touch to the episode's themes of relationships and societal norms.

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Navigating Identity and Professional Boundaries

A humorous yet revealing segment explores the complexities of professional relationships turning personal, particularly in contexts like personal training. Jennifer and Angie navigate the awkwardness of disclosing past affairs to new personal trainers, highlighting the challenges of maintaining professional boundaries.

• Angie at [24:14]:
  "I need her to know that as my personal trainer, I felt like she needed to know that."

This discussion underscores the often-blurred lines between personal and professional lives in the modern age.

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News Highlights: Narcissism and AI Blackmail

The hosts transition to discussing current news topics, offering their perspectives on serious societal issues:

1. Trump as a Narcissist:
   A psychologist's take on Trump's narcissistic behaviors is dissected, with Jennifer asserting at [31:16]:
   "He's a total abuser. Absolutely. And now it's at a global scale."

2. AI's Potential for Blackmail:
   Highlighting concerns about AI models displaying self-preservation tactics, Jennifer shares at [34:05]:
   "AI is the big thing that we're dealing with next. It's the new next frontier."

The conversation reflects fears about technology's role in personal privacy and global governance.

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A Heartwarming Tale: China's Police Corgi

Shifting to lighter content, Jennifer shares an endearing story about Fuzai, a police corgi in China, who steals a child's sausage. The incident humanizes law enforcement animals and adds a joyful note to the episode.

• Jennifer describes at [37:34]:
  "Fuzai, just a one and a half year old, joined the police force in 2024 for his skills in explosive detection."

This segment emphasizes the charm and unexpected moments within professional settings.

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International Listener Perspectives: Critiquing American Patriotism

An international listener from New Zealand, Jake, voices his exasperation with American nationalism, sparking a deep dive into the indoctrination of patriotism within the U.S. education system.

• Jake states at [49:19]:
  "I'm so sorry. I love America. ... like we're the greatest nation on earth. I'm just sitting there going, duh."

Jennifer and Angie agree, discussing how critical thinking is often stifled by forced patriotism, leading to a superficial understanding of national identity.

• Jennifer elaborates at [57:33]:
  "Like, think about now pumps. If you see that on TV and you see Kim Jong Un's kids doing that with him, with a banner of him, we are programmed to think that's somehow indoctrinating them."

The conversation highlights the importance of fostering genuine patriotism through critical engagement rather than rote nationalism.

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Conclusion and Podcast Promotion

Wrapping up the episode, Jennifer and Angie promote their upcoming podcast, IHIP News, encouraging listeners to engage with their content for daily political hot takes infused with personal grievances.

• Jennifer concludes at [61:10]:
  "We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called IHIP News. ... Please go rate, subscribe and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind."

The hosts leave listeners with a blend of humor, critique, and heartfelt stories, encapsulating the essence of I've Had It.

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Notable Quotes

• Jennifer on media's leniency towards Trump:
  "[04:00]" "It's amazing to me how easy, easy the media is on Trump and has been for, like, 10 years, how he just gets away with so much."

• Angie on avoiding confrontation:
  "[05:58]" "Sometimes, especially with family members, it's just easier not to stir the pot. It's just easier to ignore it and go on."

• Jennifer on AI blackmail:
  "[34:17]" "Think about all this stuff we put on the Internet. ... They're going to start blackmailing you."

• Jake critiquing American nationalism:
  "[49:40]" "Like, as someone from... New Zealand, like, it's so annoying. And I've just had it."

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This episode of I've Had It masterfully blends humor with incisive commentary on political, social, and technological issues, offering listeners both laughs and food for thought.

Transcript

[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

1, 2, 3.

[Jennifer]

Patriots, gay trio, Black Trio, Brown Trio. Off.

[Angie]

Did we forget one?

[Jennifer]

Did we? Patriots, Gay Trio, Gay trots.

[Angie]

They. Black Trio.

[Jennifer]

All Cool Trio.

[Angie]

All Cool Trio.

[Jennifer]

Okay, and somebody was saying in the comment section, is she saying off? And it's yes, she is. Because it was at a listener's request, we change it from caca to off. In Trump's America, it is a take no prisoners. Would you like to introduce our new friend?

[Angie]

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[Jennifer]

Thank you for sharing with the listener about your soft beaver. That gift was given to her when we were doing our book party, our book release party. And for those of you that haven't ordered it yet or gone to a bookstore and purchased it and filmed yourself doing it and done, like, a big performative book purchase, hashtag blessed online. Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches is a book that pumps. And I co authored one. Could call it a manifesto. It's a great read. So please support us by buying our book. Pumps. What have you had it with?

[Angie]

Okay, what I've had it with is it seems like every day I'm waking up to news stories that they're acting like are breaking news, and it's like Trump is in cognitive decline. I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Where have you been? Elon Musk could have conflicts of interest and his role at Doge. I'm like, where have you been? Like, no shit, Sherlock to all of this. Stop acting like it's new news. This has been apparent from Jump. So I don't need a big fat article to tell me something that if I use the eyes in my head, I can figure out. I've had it.

[Jennifer]

My Favorite is, I saw a chiron on the news the other day, and it's like, Trump's meme coin dinner raises questions. Really. We're raising questions.

[Angie]

Questions are answered. We're past the question stage. We're at blatant corruption, going completely unaccounted for in Congress and political leaders. We've no questions there. We're done.

[Jennifer]

It's amazing to me how easy, easy the media is on Trump and has been for, like, 10 years, how he just gets away with so much, and he's gotten away with so much his whole life. I mean, this man had his whole life. His whole life has been teed up for him, just with massive enablers at every turn, including the media. I mean, the fact that people are not freaking out about the way he's speaking right now and the slurring of the words and he can't pronounce stuff and the Hannibal Lecter and not remembering who attacked who and who started the Tarif and who pays the tariffs. I mean, he contradicts himself all the time, and he can't speak in coherent sentences. But the media, it's like Trump is starting the dawn of a new era in America. New York Times. And I'm like, and y' all call them the liberal media.

[Angie]

Well, do you think that's what I question? Do you think it's because Trump from Jump was like fake news liberal media that he. He threatened them so they felt like they needed to be. To do more, both sides to avoid that type of criticism? Or do you think it's the corporate overlords of this legacy media, or now he's suing media?

[Jennifer]

I think there's a combination of all of those things. But something more important is there is. Has always been a deference to these systems. There's always this deference that if somebody is a Republican or if they are religious and we disagree, we might have to whisper about it, at least you know, for the. For our listeners that live in middle America. There's always this deference that those people are right instead of a confrontation to them. That. No, just because you believe that doesn't make it right. Just because you're Republican, I'm a Democrat, doesn't make you right. It's like when we're in Oklahoma and we see people that listen to our podcast, they whisper to us, hey, I really like what you're doing. Like, because it's. It's bucking the system, and the system is white, patriarchal, Judeo Christian values. And so there is this systemic deference. To it. And you, you know, there's people in our lives, I mean even, even you personally, when it comes to, you know, family members, you defer to their way of thinking and don't confront it. And this happens, multiply it over and over and over and over again all across America. And this side always gets the deference, undeserved deference, where the deference should be to, you know, human beings and to the well being of human beings. But everybody always give, gives this undeserved deference to these people and it makes them feel empowered and it enables them.

[Angie]

Yeah, you're 100% right about that. Because sometimes, especially with family members, it's just easier not to stir the pot. It's just easier to ignore it and go on. And that's something that is becoming increasingly more difficult and dangerous.

[Jennifer]

Truly it is, it is especially like with family members. I know that so many Americans are dealing with this right now. How to deal with your deeply indoctrin parents or siblings or aunts or uncles that are high and drunk on Fox News and, you know, full of hate from their megachurch. And I just think it's, it's, you can gently start drawing boundaries. You gently just start saying, you know, I, I am not going to have a conversation with you about that because I don't argue facts. And the fact of the matter is Donald Trump doesn't give a shit about human beings. And you should because you're a follower of Jesus, yet you follow him. There's little ways that you can gently start the conversation to embed some critical thinking without, you know, completely not being in their lives. But the deference, the undeserved deference that these people get and that people in red states feel like they have to whisper for caring about human rights shows you how rigged this system is for the Donald Trumps of the world.

[Angie]

Yeah, you're absolutely right.

[Jennifer]

Okay, let me tell you what, I've had it with non political. So the other day I ordered doordash. And when you order doordash, the purpose of that is you're saying, I don't want to deal with human beings. I'm going to go into my app, I'm going to order it, they're going to drop it on my door, they're going to send me a text when it's there and I don't have to look, see, talk, to have anything to do with another person for whatever reason. That's why you've just, that's for me, that's a lot of the times why I've ordered doordash because I need to tap out on dealing with human beings for the remainder of the day. So the other day, I ordered my dinner on doordash and I all of a sudden got a phone call. I'm tracking the doordash because I'm starving, right? And I see that the doordash is pulling up in my driveway. I'm like, I'm watching it like a hawk. I'm going to time it to where I get the text. I go to my ring doorbell. I see that the driver's driven off. Then I'll go retrieve it so that I can avoid any interaction al together. So I see the driver pulling up, but I'm also getting a call. And it says, doordash. Like, I wonder if my dog's out. I wonder what's going on. And so I answer the phone. I'm like, hello? And he goes, hey, Jennifer, this is Randy, your doordash driver. Just wanted to let you know I'm pulling up right now. I go, okay, great, thanks. And he goes, you got it, sweetie. And so I hung up. And here's what I want to ask you and the listener, okay? Part of me, at first I was like, I've had it with him. I didn't want to take a phone call. That's why I ordered through a robot, right? And then I wanted him to drop it off and what the fuck is he doing calling me sweetie? And then I got the food and I took a couple bites and I thought, was that the worst thing in the world? We're about to head into AI where all of these robots are controlling everything. In his mind, he was just being a good, doing a good job. Don't we about people that don't take stuff over the finish line. And he's enthusiastic and he's, hey, let me know. Hey, that's going to be on your front porch. Andy called me sweetie. Is that a bad thing? Should I have had it with that or should I hit that?

[Angie]

Okay, here's what I think. Number one, I like the Hustle, and I think it's a good business strategy because I think a lot of people are lonely and they want somebody to talk to. And the enthusiasm is nice. I personally would have had it with it, but I think as a business model on his part, it's pretty smart because a lot of people will sit and bullshit with him and then say he's a prefer driver because they're so lonely and need somebody to talk to.

[Jennifer]

So you're suggesting that the Door dash guy would call and somebody would continue to talk to him. Don't you think that talker would have just gone to the restaurant or called the restaurant and then go to pick up?

[Angie]

Because I think some people are afraid to eat by themselves. And that might be, like, if you're at home all day, let's say you work from home all day.

[Jennifer]

Wait, hang on. I get all that. You think people are having conversations with their door dash drivers to satisfy loneliness?

[Angie]

Absolutely, I do. People sit and talk to telemarketers. People sit and talk to, you know, political surveyors.

[Jennifer]

I mean, don't you take a lot of political surveys?

[Angie]

I do.

[Jennifer]

Do you talk to your doordash driver? Are you?

[Angie]

No. No.

[Jennifer]

Are you?

[Angie]

No, I don't talk to my doordash driver. But I just think, as a general rule, there are a lot of people that would make that a friendship thing. And then prep. Sweetie, how old?

[Jennifer]

I mean, I would say. I mean, middle age, probably. I didn't sound super young. I'd probably say he was in his 40s. I never. I didn't see him. Right. Because I was so shocked by the phone call and the sweetie. And then I was. After that, I was like, I have to hide. I'm gonna have to make sure he's.

[Angie]

Like, 100 far, far away before I.

[Jennifer]

Go retrieve the food. But at first I was kind of like, well, you know, it's 2025. You can't call a woman sweetie. But then I thought, you know, for some people, it's. That's just a. He's just. He was just himself being sweet. He was just, like, trying to do a good job, trying to deliver the food, let me know he's doing it. And then he probably calls everybody sweetie.

[Angie]

Right.

[Jennifer]

Which is kind of a Southern thing, anyway.

[Angie]

Yeah, I'm kind of with you on that. Like, I would kind of bristle in the moment. But I think when I thought about it, I'd probably be like, it's probably very regional. And he's.

[Jennifer]

When I mitigated my hangerness that I had and I took a few bites, I decided, okay, but I'm just gonna say this. I think that a lot of people use the doordash feature to avoid human contact altogether. I think if you're lonely, you would place the order, because then you get to talk to somebody, and you would drive to the restaurant and pick up your takeout order, because then you get to go in the. In the restaurant and talk to people, too. So I disagree that I think people are having conversations with a doordash driver because by design, these apps are for people who want to avoid human contact.

[Angie]

See, I do the doord because I want to avoid putting a bra on. It's easier for me to see.

[Jennifer]

Are you wanting to talk to her?

[Angie]

No, I'm wanting to talk to zero people, but I'm. I.

[Jennifer]

If doordash driver called you, you're talking to him. Kylie. Welcome to I've Had It, America's top DEI podcast. I'm Jennifer.

[Angie]

I'm Angie the hbic again, reminding everyone that stands for beaver.

[Jennifer]

She has a soft beaver.

[Angie]

I have a soft beaver.

[Jennifer]

Kylie, what do you think? What is your take on this doordash dilemma that I'm proposing here?

[Kylie]

Okay. 1. I think that that is sweet that he did that. I like that he's doing that. I would hate it. That's literally what I'm trying to avoid.

[Jennifer]

Exactly.

[Kylie]

I will wait up to 10 minutes at my door watching through the window until they've driven off. That's how little contact I want.

[Angie]

Yeah, you don't want to open the door while they're still standing there.

[Jennifer]

I just thought it was a duplication of the service provided. You can follow it. And then you get an alert that says your door dash driver is pulling up. And then you get another little alert that says your door dash has been delivered. And then they take a photograph of it. Because I always zoom in on the photographs because my dogs are always in the picture because I have a glass front door and I always think it's cute. So I screenshot that, put my files of my dogs, and so I thought it was really, like, overkill to make the phone call. But also, considering I thought he was maybe in his 40s or 50s, he might not understand that I'm getting all of those alerts. But I'm with Kylie. I think people are using doordash to avoid. Avoid human interaction altogether.

[Angie]

I do, too, but I stand by. Some people just chat him up. I bet you at some point, if he keeps calling people, someone's going to take him in and fuck him. What? I just think it.

[Jennifer]

I just. Okay. I'm just. I just think there's a lot going on here with your response to this, and I think it's Freudian.

[Kylie]

I think it's a lot of projection.

[Jennifer]

I. I do, too. I think we've got a lonely, horny broad that wants to talk and fucking her door dash driver because she's already eliminated the entire prison population from her day. So now we've moved on to doordash Guys.

[Angie]

Doordash guys.

[Jennifer]

I mean, she's talking about. I'm talking about that. She's talking about loneliness. And now we've escalated to fucking. The doordash driver.

[Angie]

I know someone that had sex with the repairman that came to repair an appliance.

[Jennifer]

Oh, really?

[Angie]

And had sex with them that day.

[Jennifer]

That's pretty hot.

[Angie]

Yeah. So I'm just saying. It's not.

[Jennifer]

Let me ask, was this person married?

[Angie]

No. Single?

[Jennifer]

Single. Who. Who came on to whom?

[Angie]

I don't know. I just got that they were. Had sex, and I was just, like, couldn't even talk. I was so wowed by the whole thing. So I don't know. I would assume it had to have been.

[Jennifer]

Isn't that, like, a basic porn plot, though? Somebody comes to a house, and then, you know, horny housewife hits on them.

[Angie]

Yeah. Yeah. But, you know, ever since I heard that story, if I have an appliance break, I'm, like, super, like, worried that my appliance repairman.

[Jennifer]

Didn't you have a plumber ask you to go on a date to Red Lobster?

[Angie]

Yes, that. Yes, I did have that. But I just.

[Jennifer]

Let me ask you this. Were you talking him up? Were you chatting him up?

[Angie]

Well, I was. He was at my house for, like, eight hours a day for four days, so I'm sure I was overly friendly.

[Jennifer]

Feeding that cat.

[Angie]

I fed that cat. There's just no question.

[Jennifer]

I mean, then you got the. Then you got the invite to Red Lobster.

[Angie]

To Red Lobster. It was very specific. Invite Red Lobster.

[Jennifer]

All right, Kylie, so what do you. What do you think? Do you think people are talking? Okay, two compound question. Do you think people are having phone conversations with their doordash drivers? And then in an extreme plot twist, do you think people are their doordash driver?

[Kylie]

Okay, first question. Absolutely not. I've. I've never heard of that happening. I don't think anyone. How do you even talk them up? What's your response to him saying, I'm here. Here's the food, sweetie. You're just like, hey, let me tell you about my day.

[Angie]

Like, what do you envision if you wanted to. I mean, I don't know how to hit on somebody, but I would think apparently you do.

[Jennifer]

You're hitting on that plumber. You got that.

[Angie]

I was monster. I was not hitting on him. I was just talking to you. But you could say, oh, my gosh, that's so nice. Do you want to come in and have a bite to eat with me or something? I mean, I think I don't think it'd be that hard if you were.

[Jennifer]

Okay, wait.

[Angie]

Determined to have sex with your doordash person. If you just were like today, when I order that food, if my doordash driver calls me, I'm his brains out right now. I would have a plan. I'm just saying.

[Jennifer]

Okay, am I the only person on this podcast listener right now that is hearing the woman sitting next to me saying, the doordash driver's calling her and she's gonna invite him in to have a bite with her and then she's gonna him and the whole thing's premed.

[Angie]

I'm not saying everything, but I'm saying it's happening. I guarantee you in this up world, people are fucking their doordash drivers. I guarantee it. I'd bet my arms and legs on it. I promise you it's happened. It just has.

[Jennifer]

Okay, here's what I want to say. Gay trio, patriots, they trio, Blacks, brown trio. It's all the cool people. I need to know who's fucked their doordash driver.

[Angie]

Right. Or you know, someone that has.

[Jennifer]

I need to know if people are doordash. I need to know it because I think that if we don't know of anybody, I think I'm sitting next to America's first doordash and her soft trailblazer.

[Angie]

I do have a soft beaver.

[Jennifer]

You do have a soft beaver. Which I'm sure the doordash driver would be appreciative of.

[Angie]

Really appreciative of.

[Kylie]

I just googled I my doordash driver to see what came up. There's a whole Reddit thread. Someone said, has anyone hooked up with their doordash driver? And this person responds, yeah, this one. This one girl ordered medium fries. She got a large.

[Jennifer]

Are there any others, Kylie?

[Kylie]

Let's see. Someone said, haven't considered it. Someone said, yes, because my husband orders from me. I delivered to my ex boyfriend. You know what happened next, right? I did get hit on once. Flattered, but nah.

[Angie]

So see, it's happening. It's happening.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

I don't know that that's such a bad thing.

[Angie]

No, I don't either. It's very anonymous. You know their first name, you know they're on the clock. So they're not going to rape and pillage you because they're trying to make money. So I mean, it's a quick in and out.

[Jennifer]

I think you've made the case that.

[Angie]

I should fight my doordash driver.

[Jennifer]

Yes. That's how you're going to dip your toes back in the water.

[Angie]

I mean, we all know I'm not brave enough to do it, but I know people that have.

[Jennifer]

Oh, I think you're brave enough to do it.

[Angie]

I don't think, you know, I'm not.

[Jennifer]

I, I, you know, here's the thing. I've known you long enough that I could totally see you calling me and going, you're not going to believe this. And I'll say, what? And you'll be like, so you know, the store dash driver's really hot. My dog got out and I ran over. And then he starts talking and he's real nice. And so I start talking and then I was like, hey, do you want to come in? The kids weren't there. And then he came in and then he just kind of came over and grabbed my ass. Next thing you knew, I was fucking him. I could totally see it happening.

[Angie]

No, I could see that happening too. But I'm just saying I, that would be, it would have to be like an on an impulse thing. I wouldn't have the ability to like forecast it.

[Jennifer]

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[Jennifer]

I mean, I'll just never forget. This is in our book about your affair with your personal trainer. Yeah, and you know, and, and I do want to talk about that with a listener briefly. So Pumps and I were talking about her aforementioned affair with her personal trainer, which is in our book Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. All the details of that. So Pumps recently hired a new personal trainer who is a female named Tina. And then Pumps, just out of the clear blue sky said to me the other day, tell the listener what you told me.

[Angie]

Okay? That's how it was brought up to you, but I just said, oh yeah, I told my personal trainer that I had sex with my last personal trainer but to not be worried. And you thought it was so weird. And I was just like, well, when the book was coming out, I just thought if the book's coming out, I just don't want that to blindside her. So I felt like I needed to be upfront with her that, you know, just full disclosure. Full disclosure. I didn't want her to read that and be like, oh my God, does she have a fetish for personal trainer or something? I don't know. I just felt like she needed to know that as my personal trainer. I felt like she needed to know that. That. Do you think that's weird, Kylie? Jennifer acts like, it's so weird.

[Jennifer]

It's weird as.

[Angie]

Kylie, do you think it's weird as.

[Kylie]

Yeah. And also you told her, don't worry, like, don't worry, I'm not gonna come on to you.

[Angie]

I don't know if I said don't worry, but that was in the vein of just full disclosure.

[Jennifer]

You know what I'm gonna do the next time I eat out and a waiter comes over to the table, I'm gonna say full disclosure. My ex boyfriend was a waiter. I'm not gonna try to you so you don't have to worry. We'll get through this meal together. But full disclosure, I. Another past.

[Angie]

You're just taking a little too far. You're just taking it a little bit too far.

[Jennifer]

Let's just, let's just, let's just go down this thought track, okay? You, your personal trainer, as mentioned in our book, life is a lazy Susan of shit sandwiches. What was that 15 years ago?

[Angie]

Longer than that. Long time.

[Jennifer]

Anyway, so you had that little fling and then 20 years later and he's. That's a male. And then 20 years later you have a female personal trainer, right? There's all these rumors about all this asexuality slash lesbian leaning shit. And you walk into your female personal trainer in between taking hits off your vape in the gym where you're not supposed to be vaping, and you say, FYI, I my previous personal trainer. But you don't have to worry.

[Angie]

Well, I mean, I don't know the exact words, but that was in the vein of, yes, Kylie, I need your thoughts. I didn't just walk in and say we were working out. She was, ask me about the book.

[Kylie]

Kylie, I think there's a lot going on with you pumps. And it's Hard to even start somewhere with this episode. You're projecting like crazy. The doordash driver. The last thought I would have had is he's gonna get. The last thing I would think when I get a new personal trainer is I need to tell her that I. My last one. Don't worry. I mean, it's at the forefront of your brain.

[Jennifer]

You guys, this is a nine one. Yes. Soft beaver over here. You. It is. When's the last time you were late?

[Angie]

Is it 5 years, 40,000 days?

[Jennifer]

Is it Covid? Was it Covid?

[Angie]

Yeah, maybe a little Five years.

[Jennifer]

This is somebody. I mean, this has got to happen. I, I. You know what? Why don't you order doordash tonight? Don't you think, Kylie?

[Angie]

For research.

[Kylie]

Yeah. Maybe we could call up Randy. We've got someone who wants his call.

[Angie]

We need a Randy and a doordash driver named Randy.

[Jennifer]

That's who. That's who delivered mine and called me sweetie. It's perfect.

[Angie]

His name was Randy. Yeah, that was my middle school. Wanted to be boyfriend Randy.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. Wow. All right, I have some news stories. Let's get off of this.

[Angie]

My lack of sex life.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. That was great though, Pops. I really, I was just like.

[Angie]

I just don't think it's as weird as you do, but I could be wrong.

[Jennifer]

I, I do get laid more frequently than you do. So I don't have to announce to write. I mean, he.

[Angie]

But like, if I was representing a client and they were like, oh, yeah, there's getting ready to be something that comes out that says I had sex with my last lawyer, I would think I would be okay. Well, now I know that. You know what I mean?

[Jennifer]

Just all lawyers are the same and that.

[Angie]

No, but there's just not any appearance of impropriety. I would take extra caution to avoid it.

[Jennifer]

By your. Your logic, if I dated a dentist that was my dentist and I. That dentist. When I go to the new dentist, I need to disclose that I like to.

[Angie]

It's coming out in a book, so.

[Jennifer]

I need to say hey.

[Angie]

Well, I mean, Dr.

[Jennifer]

Sounds weird. Doctor. Dr. Tooth Driller. Here's the deal. My ex boyfriend was a dentist and I was his patient. And then we started. I just wanted you to know I'm not going to hit on you or anything. It doesn't matter how high you turn up the laughing gas. You're not. I'm not you and I need to just start disclosing now.

[Angie]

That makes it sound. That makes it sound weirder.

[Jennifer]

Make a list. The three of us and our Listener. That's four of us in total. We make a list of all of the people that we have and the professions that they had. Okay? And then moving forward, the four of us, pumps, Kiki the magic lesbian, myself and our listener, we start just automatically disclosing and Trump's America. Why not? Like, you know, you go to the 7 11, you're buying some gum, they're ringing you up and you say, I, a 711 clerk, don't get any ideas. And you don't need to worry one bit. I'm just buying this gum. This is transactional and I'm leaving. We are not. And just go on about our lives.

[Angie]

You know what? Another thing we could do is make a game like of all the occupations you've had sex with and see if Kristi Noem has dressed up like that. That would be a good game. And then also, I think it does sound weird when you say that, but when you're with your personal trainer, you're with her like three times a week, you're shooting this shit. It wasn't like I walked into the dentist, right? I mean, there is a little bit of difference, but I'll admit it sounds weird the way you've laid it out. And maybe it was weird at the moment.

[Jennifer]

Pumps. It's not that it's weird. It's not. I just think, as Kylie said, there is this theme. And all roads are leading back to the soft beaver. The soft beaver and the neglect.

[Angie]

The neglected soft beaver.

[Jennifer]

The neglected soft beaver seems to be an issue. And here's the thing, look, we're too barely competent middle aged broads. Me much younger, barely at middle age. But we. This is the type of content we need to keep this podcast going. So I need for you to go get laid.

[Angie]

Talk to my doordash guys.

[Jennifer]

Doordash guy trainer. Anyway, your new trainer. That would be exciting.

[Angie]

That would be exciting because she's a female, right?

[Jennifer]

Yeah. Oh my God. Okay, listen, we have to get to the news. Kylie, pop up this first article. This is from the Huffington Post. And a guy writes, I'm a psychologist who specializes in narcissists. Here's what we need to do to stop Trump. When your sense of self exhaustion requires tanks, flyovers and up to 45 million for a birthday party. We're no longer in the realm of cake and candles were squarely in criterion one of narcissistic personality disorder, a grandiose sense of self importance. Authoritarian leaders, like narcissistic family members rely on well worn tactics to manufacture a psychological state of volatile uncertainty where outcomes aren't just unknown, but constantly shifting and unpredictable. This overwhelms the brain's ability to anticipate and prepare, keeping people mentally off balance and easier to control. While narcissistic dynamics rely on urgency and alarm, deep change comes from staying calm, clear and connected in defending against narcissist narcissistic control. The answer is never to mimic harmful tactics. It is to recognize them, grieve their damage, stop enabling them, and break out of reactivity.

[Angie]

I like that.

[Jennifer]

Thoughts?

[Angie]

Here's the thing. I mean the first part about him being a narcissist like that is not news. The self aggrandizement, true, but staying calm and all that, I could do better at those things, controlling my reactions to it, I think. But I don't think there's any question he is like inflicting emotional abuse on the whole country every day.

[Jennifer]

He's a total abuser. Absolutely. And now it's at a global scale. I mean think about what he put Canada through, right? Do you know what? But he united the entire country, right?

[Angie]

He did unite the country.

[Jennifer]

Okay, the next story. This is Wild Pumps. Okay? New AI model will likely blackmail you if you try to shut it down. Anthropic's new AI model, Claude Opus 4 is their most powerful yet. However, in tests it chose to blackmail users 84% of the time. When being faced with being shut down, the AI's self preservation tendencies, such as blackmail and whistleblowing are more frequent than in earlier versions. In one scenario, Claude threatened to expose a fictional engineer's affair to avoid deactivation. Displaying ethically questionable behavior, the AI will also alert authorities if prompted with illegal activity, locking users out or sending emails to media and law enforcement. Anthropic says this behavior isn't unique to Claude. Other leading models from companies like OpenAI and Google also show these tendencies as I. As AI models grow in capability and complexity, researchers warn users to approach with caution and avoid ethically gray prompts. So this is okay, we're heading into this whole AI world. I mean it's coming for us. And if you listen to the leaders in these industries, they say like a lot of the jobs that, that are being serviced right now, like in five years, they're not going to have any more. An example, I went and had a mammogram this morning and you know you get your, your boob is like squished in a car window. And there was this really nice woman named Tina and she had a great southern accent, she was really sweet And I was like, I get lightheaded. Will you let me do the mammogram sitting down? And she was so sweet. And after we did, like two images, she goes, well, honey, we're cooking with gas now. Let's move to the other bo. And I just turned and I just got. She was just in a great mood and she made me happy. And she had this great Southern accent, and she seemed to, like, really like her job and didn't have, like, the cynicism and the doom and gloom that you and I had. Right. I thought, you know, this was a. For getting your boobs smashed in a car window for 10 minutes. Tina made it somewhat enjoyable as she was filling me up. Right, right.

[Angie]

Breath of fresh air, Tina.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. And so if I end up going, and then a robot's doing it, and then, you know, it's all robotic, it just seems like all of that is damaging. And then to think that the robots are going to blackmail us.

[Angie]

Right.

[Jennifer]

Think about all this stuff we put on the Internet. All the stuff we've said about, you know, you wanting to, you know, fuck your doordash driver and, you know, your personal trainer, the new one, and all of this stuff. They're going to start blackmailing you.

[Angie]

Yeah, but that's the part I don't get. You have to prompt them to think that or they just go like you say, hey, my name's Angie. I'm your owner of your AI.

[Jennifer]

Well, I think they're running like examples of it. These are companies have their own AI models, and so probably they have access to emails and they did a fictional engineer that had a fictional affair, and the AI knew about it and they told AI they were going to shut it down. And then the AI was like, if you shut me down, I'm emailing out. You're fair to everybody. That the inherent thing is that AI is made by humans. And so it has these petty human tendencies to it. You know, it's not altruistic. And so it's just, I don't know, we're heading into this new time where, you know, I'm sure you can really vividly remember, I was too young to remember when cell phones came out.

[Angie]

Oh, yeah, vividly.

[Jennifer]

That's what I thought. And, you know, and that now we've moved, you know, Internet, things like this. Well, AI is the big thing that we're dealing with next. It's the new next frontier. And these are robots that have this crazy human ability to do good and to do evil, like blackmail people about affairs. Right.

[Angie]

It's like one of those movies that you saw. Like in the future you're gonna have robots and then they're gonna blackmail you and the robot takes over all that crap. Come ask you this. I, I am encouraged a little bit that they send stuff to the police because I feel like that was would, that's going to root out the Trump administration super fast if AI is just going to start sending this to the police because they're breaking the law all day, every day.

[Jennifer]

I, I, I don't know that we want to live in a society where AI is sending things to the police. I, I, I think that's a, via a constitutional violation of privacy to have a robot sending prompts to a police department on its user. I think that that gets very blurry into civil liberties.

[Angie]

Totally agree, but I'm just saying it would help with the Trump administration, hopefully not all the administrations going forward.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. But the risk of that at personal liberties is very concerning to me.

[Angie]

Oh, no, it is. It's crazy.

[Jennifer]

All right, next up, leaving with a happy story. And I just loved this story. I sent it to Kylie to pop up. Put this up, Kylie. China's first police corgi, steals sausage from a child. Fuzai, just a one and a half year old, joined the police force in 2024 for his skills explosive detection. Though well trained, he's had past mishaps like napping on duty and urinating in his food bowl. After the sausage incident, his trainer apologized and promised stricter food training. To make amends, Fuzai visited the child's school with gifts and snacks. The child's mother took it lightly, wishing them both well. So the video of this is this little corgi who is a working dog. He's a, a Chinese police officer.

[Angie]

Okay.

[Jennifer]

He's walking down the street and the little kid is eating a sausage and Fuzai just reaches up, grabs a sausage, doesn't miss a beat and just keeps trolling. I mean, just keeps walking because he's working, right?

[Angie]

He's, he's on the job.

[Jennifer]

He has a job. And so they, the he had to go to the school and apologize to the kid for stealing his sausage. But what I want to say is I think this dog is a profile encourage. How many dogs do you know work full time, are that cute? Look at the smile on this dog. That is a cute face dog while he's working. He's a kid listener. I mean, this dog is grinning from ear to ear. He has his little work vest on and I don't want to have any Part of shaming this, this brave cop. Corgi. Cop, Corgi. I. I don't want to have any part of that other than he was hungry. And that kid should have secured his sausage better, right?

[Angie]

And this, I mean he's working. He's like sniffing out explosives. His life on the line.

[Jennifer]

I doubt that kid has a job. What's that kid doing with it?

[Angie]

Life?

[Jennifer]

That corgi is only a year and a half old, probably younger than the kid from whom he stole the sausage. And we're starting to browbeat the corgi who's has a full time job. That kids over there just eating sausages. Probably not doing a damn thing, living.

[Angie]

Off his mother's tit, greasy hands and all.

[Jennifer]

All right. Anyway, I just really like that, that corgi. Kylie.

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Jennifer]

What, what else do we have to do on our podcast today?

[Kylie]

We could do some voice memos.

[Jennifer]

Excellent.

[Kylie]

Line up first. We will start with Tiffany.

[Joe]

Hey ladies. Love you guys. I had it with how easy and accessible it is not to mind your own goddamn business. So I was on a community page. There's a picture of these teens. They probably shouldn't have been doing whatever they were doing in a public park. Whatever though, like, it's not, it's not my job. It's not your job job to go parent these children? Like if they're not causing a disturbance, like they'll eventually get caught. That's my philosophy. But you've got this Karen online that decided to take pictures of all these minors and put them on the community page. And it's like 20 years ago, you wouldn't have been able to do this. You would have to do the same to have the same effect, to try to post pictures and shame people. Like, you literally would have had to. To have a camera take the pictures, get the film developed, post them on a community bulletin board or post them pay to have them put in the newspaper. Like it's too accessible. It's too easy for these not to mind their own business. And I had it. Dude.

[Angie]

I could not agree more.

[Jennifer]

I. You know, nobody likes a tattletale.

[Angie]

No.

[Jennifer]

You know, somebody who's just all up in somebody's business photographing stuff, posting it, putting up and I mean, teenage kids are always up to mischief.

[Angie]

Always. Yeah, it'd be weird if they weren't. Now I. My son has been a victim of this. I mean, not really a victim because he was breaking the rules, but he and his buddies were trying to break into the neighborhood pool. And I guess some guy just sits on the community livestream, watching the pool, because within minutes he's posting, do you know these children? Blah, blah, blah, blah. Post them up there. I don't. I'm not on the Facebook page or whatever it is. And so I get a call and I'm just like, like, so kids are trying to get in the pool at night and we're making a federal case out of it. It's just not that big of a deal. Like, I just wasn't knotted up about. They couldn't get in, they didn't hurt anything. So I. I'm with her and I just. I am so grateful for one thing. I'm hashtag blessed in this way that when I was young and stupid, I. E. College, there were not photos and videos everywhere because I did some really stupid, shitty things that would have been recorded.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. And I think that's probably why this generation is so risk adverse, because there's always this risk that whatever they do is going to be photographed or videoed and then put online and they're going to have to go through, you know, the. The shame and the turmoil of that. And for us, I mean, we could do stupid shit, get drunk off our asses, make horrible decisions, have sex with the wrong people. Never. The good doordash driver would have always been the bad doordash driver. And then it was just over. There was no record. There was no text chain. There was no. There was no lead up. There was no paper trail at all.

[Angie]

Okay, let me tell you a funny story about that because, okay, so I was in college, wasted at a function, and I am like, I don't remember this dirty dancing with this guy. And the party picks come back from the party and he has like, we're loved up together and he's got a huge heart on. And in the party pic picture.

[Jennifer]

Wait, he has a hard rock.

[Angie]

Hard rock in this picture. So right around then, it rolls into Thanksgiving. So my roommate ordered that picture and she made 1,000 Xerox copies of it. So when I went to class, I would come out, it would be sitting on the, like, the door. It would be a picture of me and him with the huge heart on. Okay, so fast forward like a couple weeks to Thanksgiving break. I'm at home. She sends a picture every single day for the entire break. She mails it and it comes in the mail, which, you know, I would die if my mother saw that. So I am like, the first times it happens, for whatever reason, I got the mail and then I was just parked at the mailbox. So that my mother did not see that picture. That's the closest I ever got to being caught on tape doing something bad. And it's horrible. And you're right, everything.

[Jennifer]

Y' all are fully dressed.

[Angie]

Yes, but he's in jeans. Jeans.

[Jennifer]

Is it just the two of you in the photo?

[Angie]

Yes. And I am just like, hugging him.

[Jennifer]

Like, let me ask you, this is the best thing. Have a copy of this photo?

[Angie]

I'm sure she does. The little bitch has probably saved it all these years.

[Jennifer]

Does she listen to the podcast?

[Angie]

I don't know. I lost track of her. I don't know. I'm sure I could find out if she has that picture. But, I mean, it became a huge joke because it was all over campus. This, me and this guy with a jean hard on.

[Jennifer]

Oh, see, it's all making sense now. You could just stand next to a guy.

[Angie]

The magnetism just rolls off complete.

[Jennifer]

I mean, he has an erection through his jeans. Just. You're not even making out, just posing for a picture. And you've given this guy a hard on. So for your jump, now it's making sense, right, Kylie? So for her to jump to a phone conversation with the doordash driver, to the door dash driver being aroused, to her bending over the island, taking it from the doordash driver, that was not that of a jump to get to. When you figure out what her history with penises has been historically, when you.

[Angie]

Really look and analyze how sexy and magnetic I am, when we realize your.

[Jennifer]

Effect on the penis historically, all of this makes perfect sense, Right, Kylie?

[Kylie]

It sure does. If it had been her instead of you that answered Randy's phone call, I think his response would have been a lot different.

[Angie]

You think I would have been like, instead of okay, sweet. It would have been like, hey, sweetie, you want to share something?

[Jennifer]

I don't think there's any question because we all know everybody on this podcast. Our listener knows that she has a guy that did her Christmas lights and the he was very attentive, came over multiple times a day. Troubleshot. Now he's doing her yard. They have progressed the relationship where it's not only seasonal now it's year round, wrong the clock. Well, I had a little job for this guy and I called him and said, hey, I'm going out of town, but when I get back, get, get with me and I'll have you do this little job for me. Crickets. Never heard from him again. So I don't think there's any question. The pheromones that come off the Soft beaver. Compared to me, it's. We're talking about a preschool in her diapers with her pacifier titty baby me. And then a full grown professional graduate PhD student next to me with the impact on the penis.

[Angie]

And I hate to rub it in, but he does text me a couple times a week to remember to water. So I'm just saying, I'm just saying. I've been invited to Red Lobster, reminded to water my grass.

[Jennifer]

We got. We're posing for photographs and somebody has an erection from here to the moon.

[Angie]

Right. In jeans.

[Jennifer]

In jeans. Just posing for a photograph.

[Angie]

Just being that close to me.

[Kylie]

Me.

[Angie]

Yeah, that happens.

[Jennifer]

Yeah. So now it makes perfect sense that you have to. You throw off such pheromones and you have such an it factor sexually that you immediately had to go to your trainer and say I did my previous trainer. But you don't have to worry. I'm going to spare you. Right. That makes per. It's all. You know, Kylie, we were so mystified by the whole thing until we just cracked the case with this.

[Kylie]

Yeah, it's just hard for me to empathize with that effect on the penis. I've just never lived in your shoes.

[Angie]

Well, I mean it's a big, it's a big lift carrying all this pheromone around.

[Jennifer]

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[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

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[Jennifer]

All right, who's next?

[Kylie]

Okay, up next, we've got Joe Jake.

[G]

Hi, ladies, my name's Jake. I'm calling from New Zealand. And I've just got to tell you, I've had it with fucking the way Americans talk about America. I'm so sorry. I love America. I've been there many times. A beautiful country, but this whole fucking greatest nation on earth. Number one, best kind of freedom, land of the free. I'm just sitting there going, duh.

[Jennifer]

Fuck.

[G]

Like, as someone from. Who's lucky to be from a country that. That experiences such freedom as, well, like New Zealand, like Australia, like Japan, like Italy, like so many other countries, you sit there going, the fuck are you people on about? Like, it's so annoying. And I've just had it. And especially in Trump's America, the fact that this narrative still exists is wild to me, and I just can't handle it. Love you guys, but I just had to share that, that I've had it with it.

[Jennifer]

Sorry. It's so true. And we're kind of indoctrinated to that type of thinking. We're told in school. And you even hear politicians on both side of the aisle say, we're the only country in the world that you can do this, right? Only in America, we're number one. We're the greatest. We're the best. And, you know, it makes sense that then we elected. Not we, not you, the listener, not the New Zealand listener, right? But as a nation elected somebody who has to. I'm the best. I'm the. You know, it's kind of cooked in the. This, you know, having to be the best at everything. I sent my sons to this private school from preschool to eighth grade, and that's. And it ends in eighth grade. And it. It specializes in, like, critical thinking. And the eighth grade government class, when they walk in the classroom the very first day, it would say, is America the greatest country in the world? Yes, no. And the kids had to write a paper on it. And the majority of them said yes because they're born in America, indoctrinated into this way of thinking, have bought into whole narrative that we're the greatest. And it's like, it's real important to Americans to be very. Instead of like, well, France is great too, but I'm American for me. America is the greatest for me, but I know other countries are great too. That kind of thinking is not allowed. So in Mr. Vernon, his name is Mr. Vernon in his class, then they study income inequality, and then they study the gun issue, and then they study health care, and then they study poverty, and they study social safety nets, and they study the justice system, incarceration, women's rights, blah, blah, blah. They study all of these things. And then the last week of class, he asked them again, and then they have to answer, yes, no. And the majority of them have changed their mind. And not saying it's not, oh, my God, they're teaching kids to hate America. That's not what it is. They're teaching kids to critically think that, you know, know, I was told we were the greatest. But in buying into that narrative, I had to buy into it that it was okay for black kids to get shot at a higher rate than white kids. I've had to buy into the fact that it's okay that we're the richest country in the world, but people die because they can't get chemotherapy treatments, or they go bankrupt because of medications, or that black people have a completely different experience, you know, getting hired and all sorts of things. There's this whole forced narrative right now on the right and some of the. What I call the centrist saviors of the Democratic Party that say you have no choice. Like, they want to be the thought police. America is the greatest country in the world, and you spoiled brats can't say it anymore. Well, what makes America better is the ability to criticize it. Right? The ability to identify guns are a problem. And if you live in America long enough, somebody you love is going to get shot by once. You can either care about it now, you can care about it at your loved Ones funeral. Funeral and, or, you know, talking about Medicare, Medicaid, veterans benefits, all of these things. It's okay to critically think about them. It's okay to criticize your own country in an effort to make it better. But you have people that are now the thought police, like Bill Maher is one of them. These kids saying they hate America. Well, they're not necessarily saying they hate America. These young kids right now can't get jobs, have been raised by helicopter parents, have a dipshit as a president, impotent Congress, a Supreme Court that only cares about corporations and making this country fascist. Of course, maybe they're critical of America, but that's the thing. If you're an American, you get to criticize it. That is the thing about it. And I agree with this New Zealand listener because there is this whole, like, machismo and it plays into that whole masculine thing, right? We're the best. We're number one country in the world. World. We're number one. Just shut the up.

[Angie]

Shut the up. Because we're getting worse. Like, when you think about where we are now, it's worse than it was 20 years ago by far. We're banning books. Women don't have reproductive care in certain states. They're deporting people for having different views. They're not letting institutions enroll people that might have a different view. They're withholding research because they want to dictate what everybody thinks and feels and does. And so I agree, it's, it's a huge problem. And I think you're 100% right that you're indoctrinated from an early age. And until you start thinking about it, you don't, you don't really get it.

[Jennifer]

This is why they want to control the education system. They say we don't want our kids being indoctrinated. They've already been indoctrinated. We've already been indoctrinated to buy into the fact that, that you could die of a bullet and you're going to do active shooter drills. And that's just cooked in the books because we're not going to fix it because the gun law is more important to us than your child is. And any centrist or any MAGA person that tells you you have to love America and it could be so much worse elsewhere. That's a stupid point. The point is big thinkers with big ideas constantly try to improve and make things better and to criticize people that want, want objective critical thinking in schools and saying they're the indoctrinators that's just gaslighting the people that do the indoctrinating. And I went to an American public school. You did too. There's no question. When I think back on it, we did the Pledge of Allegiance every day. So it's kind of this forced nationalism. We were told it was during the Cold War era. We were told that the United States was the only country in the world had freedom. And they juxtaposed it with all these communist ideas. We're the best country in the world. We have the best this, best that, the best that. So when my parents took me to Europe when I was about 14, I was shocked at how civilized and clean and nice it was because we didn't have younger listeners. We didn't have the Internet. For those of you that haven't been to Europe, you. Your brain and eyes have been to Europe because you've seen it on your Instagram feed or your Twitter feed or your TikTok. Well, back in. In the day, you would see pictures of it, maybe on TV or whatever, but it was really, really abstract. So when I went. My sister lived in Germany when I was in junior high, and we would go over there to see her all the time. And I was like, wow. I mean, it's efficient, it's clean, it's nice, it's. I didn't see poverty like you do driving in the United States. There's no guns, et cetera, et cetera. And so these conversations that get shut down by people, this is a whole part of the fascist play. And at the epicenter of the idea of America is, is you don't have to like it and you get to speak out against it. And that's protected by the Constitution, period.

[Angie]

Yeah, we did the Pledge of Allegiance every single day.

[Jennifer]

Like, think about now pumps. If you see that on TV and you see Kim Jong Un's kids doing that with him, with a banner of him, we are programmed to think that that's somehow indoctrinating them. But when we did it all the time, it's this forced patriotism. And nobody ever, like, talks about that. Right.

[Angie]

And I think one thing for me that I found as I've grown up and become an adult is disagreeing with people and having discord makes both sides better. Regardless of what the situation was, whether it was in my legal career, like, you have a husband and a wife or two wives or whatever, they're getting a divorce. It's better if you talk about it because then you can learn more and build and change your perspective. And I feel like right now we're not doing that. We're about talking, just sitting in one echo chamber. So we're not learning. Like, I learned from stuff you say all the time. Like, unless you're exposed to it, you can't get better. And I think discourse makes things better. And so I think having this patriotism forced on these people and this indoctrination from Jump, it just skews all of the growth that we could have.

[Jennifer]

Yes. And it's the same thing as religion. You know, like, if you think about the insanity of. Of choosing your child's religion for them and making them be that religion and indoctrinating in them, them in that at birth, the same thing that they're doing with this nationalism, what the superintendent of school in our state wants to do. Forced religion, forced births, forced patriotism. That is the antithesis of freedom. That is the antithesis of the idea of America. Free thought, critical thinking, et cetera. And if we have a nation where we foster these things, then you have real organic patriotism. Not this veneer of I'm a big boy with my bald eagle T shirt, my homoerotic dump truck, truck Trump nut sack bullshit with my, you know, gold Trump shoes and all that just fake, you know, it's just this superficial patriotism that it has no meaning because they will change their opinion on one issue as quickly as Trump does.

[Angie]

Right. Well, and they, oh, we're so for the military. And then they cut veterans benefits. They don't vote for veterans. So everything they have is hypocrisy. And people should be thinking about patriotism in terms of how can we get better, instead of, you have to agree with me because America is the best country in the world.

[Jennifer]

Organic patriotism.

[Angie]

Organic.

[Jennifer]

Where it comes from within, it comes from this. I saw this country, the Supreme Court, vote to make gay marriage legal. And if somehow that offends you, then you don't believe in freedom. Right? Then you're a part of a cult. If your religion tells you that's wrong and that that needs to be your number one goal in life, I'm sorry, you're in some sort of hate cult. All right, listen, listener, I want to wrap this episode with our book where you can read all about Pump's aforementioned affair with her personal trainer. And listen up, Tina, the new trainer, she's warned you. And I'm here to tell you, too. She is not going to have sex with you. It's a strictly platonic relationship. She's going to come, come. She's going to train, she's going to pay you and she's going to leave. No slap and tickle, nothing.

[Angie]

No funny business.

[Jennifer]

No funny business with any trainer moving. Do you want to say any trainer moving forward in your life or just this specific current one?

[Angie]

Oh, I think we have to leave it open ended, just in case.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, just in case.

[Angie]

I mean, you never know what's going to happen.

[Jennifer]

All right, Pumps, tell them.

[Angie]

We will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

[Jennifer]

Tell you what I've had it with.

[Pump]

Let's hear it.

[Jennifer]

I've had it with that. Listen up, patriots, gaytriots and natriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called IHIP News. It's Monday through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America. Always served with a side of petty grievances.

[Angie]

We are on all the available platforms. Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever you get your podcasts and YouTube.

[Jennifer]

Please go rate, subscribe and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind. Pumps. Pumps. What does an eagle say? Caca. A little bit more enthusiasm.

[Joe]

Caca.

[Jennifer]

That's it. That's. That's caca. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.