C (2:06)

It's been 7,000 days.

D (2:09)

Throw that in next time.

B (2:11)

All right, Pumps. What have you had it with?

C (2:13)

Okay, what I've had it with, what I was going to start with is. What I've fucking had it with is when you have a traffic slowdown and a guy on a crotch rocket comes right in, right next to you in between the lanes. That's what I've had it with. But what happened to me just now is I was prancing around the gym in light green leggings, going to yoga and a girlfriend in the class. I walk in and she busts out laughing at me, and I'm like, oh, my God, what? And she's like, look in the mirror. My camel toe was so bad. It looked like a dick. It looked like I had a dick in my pants at yoga just now. Not even.

B (2:55)

I. I don't remember how many episodes ago it was, but it's got to be two years ago. I advised you that you had to remain vigilant in camel toe prevention.

C (3:06)

Your voice went through my head.

B (3:07)

You. You. How you do not feel because it looks so painful when I see your camel toe and you're so unaware of it. I'm like, is her vagina that numb from lack of use? How does she not? Giant, thick, wide dental floss up her twat, for God's sake. It's unbelievable.

D (3:30)

Is there any way I can leave and come back maybe in about five or ten minutes? Oh, no.

B (3:34)

Because my grievance is directed at you, which let me just dive into that pumps. You'll love this one. I have two grievances with Josh, and I just want to say before I do them, there was a time, and pumps can attest to this, where I would say to pumps, and I would say to Josh, I just want normal people problems. I don't want to deal with addiction and, you know, money issues. And we had really listener Josh and I had really big, major life problems. And now I have normal people problems. And I have gratitude for normal people problems. And so here are my grievances with Josh. Number one is he is a purse hijacker. And what I mean by this is last night, we were invited to a party that Mehdi Hassan of Zateo Media was. Was hosting. And I have a lot of really cute little evening bags that I have calculated when I purchased them. Like phone, little sleeve of nicotine gum, a lipstick, keys. It all works out perfectly in my head. I scale it all out. When I buy the purse, I'm like, this is perfect for me. This is the perfect evening bag for me. And I have multiple of these as we're leaving. It never fails. As we're leaving Josh, first of all, he can't just walk out the door. No, don't talk. He cannot just walk out the door effortlessly. Like, oh, I'm ready to go. And we just walk out. We have to narrate. Do I have this? Do I have that? Oh, I need to pee. We're narrating every thing we're doing, and I'm still standing at the door. And then it comes. A handful of shit that he wants me to put in my little pre scaled purse that I didn't allot for. His glasses, his, what are they? Zen. What are those things? Pouch. Sometimes there's some, there's a wallet, there's all of these things that he dumps on me. And I'm trying to be agreeable and I'm like, okay, be a sharer. Be a big girl. So I start to try to make room in my purse for the hijack that took place. Then I arrive at the venue and I'm trying to fit my phone in, which again, I pre calculated when I purchased the purse that my shit would fit in it and only my shit. My stuff. It's my purse and I only want my stuff in it. And so as we're walking in last night, I'm like, because his little Zen container was there and his wallet was there. And I was like, now my phone won't fit in here.

D (6:03)

She did this like, I mean she looked down and she fumbling through, couldn't get her phone. It didn't fit right because my stuff was in there. And I can see this noticeable, just glare up at me like,

C (6:15)

josh, did you offer to take your stuff back so she didn't have it in her purse?

D (6:19)

I think I did, actually. I did at that point.

B (6:22)

Which is huge growth.

D (6:23)

Yeah.

B (6:24)

Before it would have been like tough titties, cram it all in your purse. You're the, you're the purse carrier.

C (6:29)

Right.

B (6:29)

My second grievance with Josh is the frequent visits to the restroom and how un, well how ill timed they are. Ill timed. For example, we're at a boarding gate. We've been sitting there to board an airplane for an hour and a half. One hour and a half. You've had an hour and a half to go pee and or poop. And it's like pre boarding starts now and all of a sudden Josh has to race to the restroom. That's number one. This is a compound grievance. The second point is I believe that he is a bulimic pooper. And what I mean by this is he's constantly forcing poops that aren't ready at in a very ill timed manner.

D (7:22)

I, I, I'm, I'm very proactive in trying and when it comes to pooping, like I try to get out in front of the problem. Like it well in advance. Well in advance. I'm so glad that these important topics are being shared. Like everybody needs to know.

B (7:43)

Again, I have gratitude for these Problems

C (7:45)

I have gratitude, what you wish for.

B (7:47)

But even the purse hijack. That, the purse hijack is my complaint with you.

C (7:52)

Almost unforgivable, really.

B (7:54)

And it's on. It's constant.

C (7:57)

And you have a man purse. It's not like you're against carrying your own bag.

D (8:01)

No, but I, I, some of these functions, I don't know if I want to bring that. I, I know last night was kind of an exception, but I've done it many before, and, and it is like on a small purse, if you add three or four items to a very small handbag, it just consumes the handbag. And so I, I accept some responsibility for that. I, I have to admit it.

B (8:24)

All right, Josh, what have you had it with?

D (8:26)

Well, I've had it with a bunch of things, but the first thing I've had it with is, is, and I've thought a lot about this, but it's, it's men that wear khaki shorts. And I want to preface this by saying that I used to wear khaki shorts.

B (8:48)

Okay?

D (8:48)

Okay. And some part of me wants to wear khaki shorts again, but there's nothing appealing or attractive about wearing khaki shorts. Like, they just don't fit. Well, do you know what I'm talking about? Do you see all the kids or guys that wear these big khaki shorts as an adult? As an adult, man wearing khaki shorts seems impossible to me. They just don't fit. They don't look right. So, so that's number one. Number two are these puffer vest that men wear. Do you know what I'm talking about? The puffer vest. I despise those puffer vests. I think maybe it's because I despise the people that wear the puffer vest. So I'm going to put those two in one category. Then the third thing that I've had it with, I recently moved my law office to midtown. Oklahoma City, not Manhattan.

C (9:48)

There's just a slight difference.

D (9:50)

I don't want anyone to be confused. But back in the sticks, back in Oklahoma, we call it midtown, too. So I recently moved to midtown, and I'm about two or three blocks from a sanctuary for homeless people, and there's a bus stop right in front of our office. And I'm building all this up because I'm an atheist. I'm not a Christian. But what I'm really had it with are Christians who don't act like Jesus. Okay? And when I say that I see a lot of the homeless population around this new office, and I see how much help people need. And so I make a point, like, if I go outside and I bump into someone sometimes, I'll give them money. If they need a water, they need a drink. And then I think to myself, you know, I'm an atheist. I'm not a Christian. I don't necessarily believe in Jesus and all that, but if I was a Christian, it would seem like I would try to emulate the Savior, the guy himself, Jesus Christ. And all these people that I see that are Christians are just the opposite. They don't want to give shit to anybody. They don't want to help anybody. In fact, what they want to do is prevent people from getting help that need help. And so my grievance, aside from khaki shorts and puffer vest, or Christians who refuse to act like Jesus should be barred from Christianity, should. Their name should be struck from the halls from. From the ledgers of Christianity.

B (11:26)

And what about a Christian wearing khaki shorts, a dry fit polo, which I think you've mentioned before on the podcast Under Armour. Under Armour, which is kind of like, like workout fraud, because they have on an Under Armour shirt and they're not actually working out with a pupper vest, walking past homeless people and saying disparaging things.

D (11:49)

See, I think all of those things go together because the type of people that wear khaki shorts, that are men and that wear sleeveless puffer vest are in Oklahoma, at least white male Christians. And most of the white male Christians don't act like Jesus in Oklahoma, at least that I know. But I try not to know that many of them or at least talk to him.

C (12:13)

It's a concerted effort.

D (12:15)

So I just want everybody to know that this atheist in Oklahoma is out there doing the Lord's work. I'm out there helping people. I'm out there trying to act like Jesus.

B (12:27)

Good for you, Josh.

C (12:28)

That's a great grievance that I have personally failed to address because that's a good one. Because I was raised from jump in that evangelical Christian bubble. And when it comes to helping the poor and feeding the sick or what is, whatever it is, I can't remember it's been so long. That was not what. That's what wasn't our goal. Like the stuff acting like we talked about it a lot, we didn't act like it. I mean, we demonized the poor. We were ugly to people, judgmental. So I think that's a great overlooked grievance.

B (13:05)

I have found the most religious people I know in Oklahoma are the. The cruelest about the homeless problem. But these people also say they support the troops. They're such patriots, and they support the armed forces. Well, 35% of the homeless people that they demean and ridicule and just are such a nuisance to them. 35% of those people are veterans. And so I think there's a. I've always said this. I believe this. I believed this my whole life. America has a crazy Christian problem. And at the core of the crazy Christian problem are the MAGA cultists. And these people have operated with impunity, with a sanctimony that they think they're on the moral high ground because all they have to do is Christian signal. We're going to Bible study. Oh, we're doing this at the church and, oh, we're tithing here. And then behind the scenes, these are the ugliest punching down people on the planet. Cruel to minorities, cruel to homeless people. And it's like, how about some empathy for a person that is homeless? It's really gross when you hear like, I think it was on Fox News, they. One of those crazy guys was talking about, like, euthanizing homeless people was insane. It was. And that guy still has his job. He is still employed at Fox. The cruelty has been so normalized and so mainstreamed, and they feel so protected because these people that you're talking about, these types of Christians that wear the khaki pants and the puffer vests, they love to use their religion in two different ways as a weapon to weaponize against people. Like, we're morally superior and we don't like these trans people, these gay people, these black people. And then when you call them out, it's a shield. Oh, my God, Christians are under attack. Christianity is completely under attack. I'm like, bitch, please, are you kidding me? Especially you go to Oklahoma. I mean, it's just like Bible dump truck galore.

D (15:01)

That's right. And it's really like, I try to remove religion from any of it, really. And it's pretty basic. You just simply wake up in the morning and you be nice to people.

C (15:12)

Kindness.

D (15:13)

And if someone needs some help, maybe you offer it to them. You do something to help someone else, and that's it. Whether you're a Christian, whether you're an atheist, whether you're a Buddhist, it doesn't matter. It's really not that hard. And it shows you how many fucking awful, mean people there are in the world. And this administration has given everybody a free license. A free license to act this Way,

B (15:35)

think about this, Josh and Pumps. If you look at the Bible Belt and you look at the politicians that they've elected, the government officials, these are the cruelest states imaginable. The politicians that these religious states elect are a reflection of their religious beliefs. Agree. And they are also a testament to the fact that prayer doesn't work because these people pray non stop 24 7. And all of the prayer in Oklahoma has driven us from 17th in education to 50th. And so if you look at these Bible belt states, it's just jaw dropping how they elect the cruelest, meanest people. Right now in Oklahoma in the gubernatorial primary on the Republican side, it is a race to the bottom. Who can out crazy each other, who can be the meanest, who can be the cruelest, who can act like they love the troops? They'll never vote for some homeless PTSD vet ever. They will never do it. But they'll lie to everybody and say they will.

D (16:39)

I do want to point out this reminded me when you said, when you said this, that if you'll remember, we're in a group, me for our youngest son's basketball team. And it was. They would have prayers before the games in the group, me praying for the players. And, you know, we would go out and get our ass kicked by 20 or 30 points by a team. And I think everybody said the prayers in the group, but we would just get the shit kicked out of us.

B (17:08)

Josh would say, I want to follow up and go, hey, we didn't show up for the prayer thing, but it doesn't look like it's working. They just got their ass beat.

C (17:14)

Well, if it worked, we wouldn't have a gun problem in this country.

D (17:18)

That's, that's right. So I just would always be like, man, if we only said, you know, two or three more prayers, maybe four or five more prayers, then somehow we're more special than the other kids and we're, we're going to get what we need. But anyway, I digress.

B (17:32)

All right, I have some news stories to share with everybody. By the way, welcome to I've had It. I'm Jennifer.

C (17:38)

I'm Angie.

D (17:40)

And I'm Josh.

B (17:41)

All right, we have a story. Speaking of maga Christians and their kindness and their great policy and their great outreach of empathy. MAGA is outraged over comedian Rami Yousef celebrating Arab American Heritage Month on Sesame Street. It started when Sesame street posted this video. Let's play the clip.

E (18:04)

Salaam alaikum, everyone. I'm Rami Yousef.

B (18:07)

Oh, it almost Elmo. Mr. Rami, what is salaam alaikum mean?

E (18:11)

Well, salaam salam means peace. And it's a way to say hello in Arabic.

C (18:14)

Oh, cool.

B (18:16)

Salaam alaikum, everybody. Okay, so obviously to me, I think this is great. Whether you like it or not, there are Arab Americans who are Muslim that live here, that are citizens and there's nothing you can do about it. You can be a dick. Like these responses right here. Pop these up. Ben Bergquam, America's real voice at RAV TV News. Sad Sesame street has fallen to the woke jihad mind virus. And then another response. Sally Jack 3 says, why does the US have an Arab American Heritage Month and not an English American Heritage Month when the English founded the country? And then AI says there is no widely recognized or federally designated English American Heritage Month in the United States because we live that every day. Day, every day. Sally Jack. And then the last response and there was this was all over the Internet. Jewish American pirate says why is at Elma at Elmo with a pro hamas, pro jihad, 911 lover comedian? It's not very funny. I miss old Sesame Street. What guest is next? A bin Laden talking about planes at Sesame Street? This type of Islamophobia is so normalized on the American right. And it's it you have people like the adl, the Anti Defamation League that excused Elon Musk giving two back to back Sikh heils and then they are laser focused on Zoram Mamdani because he's a Muslim. I mean, it's just, it's such bullshit. These groups in the way they behave. Muslim Americans are a part of America. You can either be a dick like these three people here or maybe, I don't know, maybe mix around a little bit. Get out of your white cookie cutter neighborhood and mix around with people and it makes your life better. We were at a party last night and I think it was majority Muslim people. We had an absolute total blast. Kind, normal, fun, interesting, lovely people.

D (20:29)

But that would require you to, number one, be curious, openly curious about other people's cultures that's different than yours to be somewhat open minded. I think that, you know, the past four years or six, eight years, ten years, however long Trump's been with us, you've seen, I definitely think you've seen this more out in the open style of racism, just blatant racism. And the only thing, we talk about this a lot on this program, at least since, since I've been here this week. And the only thing that we can do is we have a responsibility, number one, to call it out and recognize it, and then, number two, to let other people know that, hey, we're not all like that. Like, we're not. And it's something that we take very serious. And it's sad. It's sad. It's dog whistling. And we all know people that do it that are like that, especially back home, you know, we're in the Bible Belt. We see day to day how they marginalize trans kids, gay kids, you know, especially in small, rural towns. It's. It's. It's sad. And so we have an obligation to stand up for those people and tell them that, listen, this isn't the norm. And when I say these people, I mean these groups. This isn't the norm, and we're here to protect you.

B (21:49)

And I think it's really cool that Elmo, I thought that was a cool video. Like, I love multiculturalism, and I think it's. I think it's enriching and a part of, like, great development to learn about different cultures and to learn different languages. But Ramy Youssef responds to the backlash. Let's hear his response.

E (22:10)

Very emotional, actually, if you watch the clip, you can tell. I can't believe it. It's very surreal.

B (22:14)

You know, the entire time, some other people were emotional about it because it was not without controversy.

C (22:18)

I have for you what I wish Sesame street would stick to teaching kids about letters and numbers, Laura, and leave the Arabic immersion to someone else. Next, Bert and Ernie will be praying

B (22:31)

five times a day on Sesame street facing east. So you seem to embrace this on Instagram. What did you make of all this?

E (22:39)

Well, you know, I feel for them, right? Because, I mean, you guys were talking about it earlier. I think they're worried. You know, he's saying Arabic immersion, and it's gotta be tough because I think they're supporters of the president. So imagine your president on Easter is tweeting, praise be to Allah. Now Elmo saying, habibi feels threatening.

B (23:00)

It's over. Yeah. That is so good. Okay, so in the clip, in the Fox News clip that Raymond Arroyo, who is seen in that clip, previously criticized the Biden administration in 2021 for partnering with Sesame street to teach kids about child refugees. In January 2024, Elmo posted a simple, how are you doing? Check in on Twitter. And Aurora responded, saying, it speaks to the arrest that you see through the culture, mocking adults for pouring out their hearts to a puppet created for preschoolers. And so Sesame street has a history of teaching Spanish, of featuring prominent black actors. And it, this is really problematic for these white supremacist white nationalists. And I think this is their final push and we need to ridicule and bully these people. Think about this guy and think about Laura Ingraham there. Like you're triggered by Elmo saying what do you say? Salaam ali kum like that or something that triggers you. And then, and then you got dip Trump over there talking about nuking an entire culture and that's just a free hall pass. Or grab him by the pussy, let's go vote for him and oh, he's in the Epstein files a million times. Oh, that's fine. We cover up for pedophiles. It's these MAGA Christians are a cancer in this country and they are the, the most co opted voting group on the planet.

D (24:34)

Think about how insecure they must be in their belief system that they would be offended by someone saying this on Sesame Street. That was a pretty benign comment. So. And not to mention the fact that, you know, white Republicans dominate almost every piece of government in this country. And so the thought that you're somehow threatened by something like that shows you, shows you just how fanatical, radical these people are. It's crazy.

C (25:11)

It's also crazy that they're standing up saying we have to go do regime change in Iran because they're such religious zealots and we've got the ten Commandments, you know, being required in schools. That saying peace and Arabic is such a big deal for the freedom lovers. The freedom don't tread on me. You know, we want to have the flag and all the frames. It's the same people that banned books and it's, you know, these are the same people that think Ms. Rachel is anti Semitic. Why are all these people watching kids shows is what I want to know. First and second, can you imagine turning on like a normal news, let's say, you know, ABC News and they break in with Elmo like this is not news. This is, we can't talk about Trump being in the Epstein files. We can't talk about Trump having incompetent people that kiss his ass all day and have no plan. Global economy, boom bomb in Iran, we can't talk about that. So we've got to talk about Biden or Elmo. Like that should be a clue. And here's the deal. You're right, Jennifer, people dig it because punching down, that is clutch. I mean when you said that it just took me straight into my childhood. Punching down, that's right.

B (26:28)

Go ahead and think about you guys, what a minefield a television is for a conservative, for a MAGA Republican. You turn on your television, you're triggered by Elmo. You got to go on Laura Ingram and you know, 91 1, all hands on deck. Elmo. Peace be with you in Arabic. Stage five, Titty Baby Meltdown. Jimmy Kimmel. Oh, my God, Trigger City. These guys are the biggest, most fear based I've ever seen in my life. Need I mention Bad Bunny and the meltdown that happened there? Watching television for a conservative male has to be one of the more terrifying experiences that happens to them throughout the day. Because I would assume a lot of these men, probably in homosocial environments all the time, they're white guys that are around other white guys and that's where they feel most comfortable in these homosocial relationships. And then they turn on their television, it's like, oh, my God, there's Bad Bunny and he's kind of hot and he's singing, oh, my God. And then what's Elmo doing with this Muslim comedian? And then, oh, my God, what are these women doing? Twerking? And could you imagine living your life that watching TV and operating your remote control would be like a minefield?

D (27:52)

No. And this reminds us what is exactly at stake for these midterms in the next presidential election. Because if it's up to this regime, this government, this president, this Congress, they want a white national, Christian United States.

B (28:09)

They got it. They got it right now. And they're still not.

D (28:12)

But that's not enough, though. They don't want it. You've seen the courts come in and say, hey, we're going to allow you to have the Ten Commandments now in a school. So they're starting this. They're by no means finished. And so, I mean, once you see the courts and even some of the courts are jumping in and saying, you know what, we're going to get behind this, too. And you see Trump appointing all of these judges. And so the minefield is changing from these intellectuals that would honor separation of church and state to these judges that are just downright partisan Republican hacks that will do anything, compromise anything in the Constitution to instill some form of national, Christian form of government that would be even tighter than what we see now. So that's what's at stake when you go to the midterm elections, when you go to the next presidential cycle. That's what we're fighting.

B (29:05)

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F (31:18)

You guys his son or daughter?

B (31:20)

Son.

F (31:20)

Awesome. And are you guys a couple? Yeah. That's awesome. Cool. So have you ever heard about, about the statistics coming out that gay men are statistically much more likely to commit child molestation?

D (31:31)

No.

F (31:31)

You've never heard about that?

A (31:32)

Yeah.

B (31:33)

No.

D (31:33)

Yeah.

F (31:33)

Don't you think it's weird that you guys have a child but neither of you are a woman? No. You don't think that's weird?

D (31:40)

No.

F (31:42)

So you had a surrogate. You paid a woman $50,000 to be pregnant.

B (31:48)

Who are you?

F (31:49)

And build an Emotional connection to a baby. Baby, kick your head. Hey, don't take my mic, dude.

E (31:53)

You.

F (31:53)

I'm actually concerned for your baby's, like, safety for you.

C (31:56)

We are asking you to leave.

B (32:02)

Okay? So not only is Nemi a raging homophobe, but also a white supremacist, saying in a podcast quote, nobody wants to admit that the darker you get, the lower your IQ is going to be. And he goes on to say, if people don't think that the white race is superior or light skinned Asians are superior, I mean, that's just a fact. And then, according to West Hollywood Online, who interviewed the couple, Nemi's group hurled insults like the F word towards them. And here's something I want to say. Number one, it's a complete lie that gay people are. Have. Are. Have a more tendency to molest children. Look no further than the fucking Epstein files, all right? But this type of shit is unbelievable to me. It's disgusting. It enrages me to my core. And good on the one of those dads who shoved that guy. And so the couple has started to go fund me that's already raised over a hundred thousand dollars because they've charged the dad who shoved the homophobic, racist pussy. And then he goes and presses charges, this guy. And here is the text from their GoFundMe. Pop this up. As a gay couple with our newborn baby, we were targeted in a way that was deeply upsetting and destabilizing for our family. My husband and I have fought incredibly hard to build the life that we have today and to welcome our baby into it, which makes this moment especially painful and overwhelming. As a result, my husband David is now facing a legal process, and the cost of securing proper representation is significant. David is a devoted parent to our newborn baby and an incredibly important part of our lives. Right now. Our focus is simply on keeping our family stable, supported and together as we move through this. Josh, as a criminal defense lawyer and just a human being, how does that make you feel? And then talk about the legal implications for David.

D (34:05)

Well, this is the first I've heard of this story, and I normally wouldn't want to give some piece of shit like this any sort of platform to talk, but here I think it's important that you bring this up. I first want to find. Is this in Los Angeles?

B (34:21)

Yes.

D (34:22)

Yeah. So I. I think we need to first, I would certainly reach out or be willing to help him find someone that would. That would, I'm sure, assist him pro bono from the state of California in a case like This, I mean, even in Oklahoma, if I had a case like this and someone did or said something like that, I mean, my defense would be simple. It would be all you got was shoved. You should have had your fucking face knocked off. Like you, you know, you're lucky that that's all you got. And, and just get that in front of a jury or a prosecutor. No one's got. I don't know what jurisdiction filed this, but this would be easy to get resolved. And I'm sorry that he, both of them had to go through it with their child. It's, you know, it's an ugly side of Trumpism is what it is. That's exactly what it is. And when we talk about what's at stake for the next two or four years, it's stuff like this getting worse and worse and worse. You know, that's not the country that we grew up in. We used to be able to disagree with people respectfully. This stuff is different. The way that the Republicans are preaching this stuff is different. There's a violent element to it, there's a racist element to it. And we see in Oklahoma, like, we see in particular with a lot of trans kids, like there's a meanness and ugliness to the government sponsored conduct in our country right now. And so back to your original question. I would certainly volunteer offline to look and see and make sure this man has a competent lawyer and gets this stuff resolved. We can talk more about that later.

B (35:58)

Pumps, you grew up and a lot of your adult life around a lot of white people who have really homophobic, horrific views about gay people. Does showing them something like this and seeing how ugly that is, does that change it or is it just. No, they're going to go to hell. And that's just, you know, now.

C (36:23)

Okay. Just in thinking about it and applying it to family members, I think that that video would make them uncomfortable. They would find fault with the person that went in and took it, took those questions and acted that way. Because when you see it, it's ugly. It's so ugly. But it would it change their fundamental belief that they have a duty to spread Christianity and you know, homosexuality is a sin against God. No, but the one they lean into,

B (37:01)

if they didn't have a baby, then they wouldn't have been confronted like that. Two men shouldn't have a baby?

C (37:06)

I don't think so because it was so ugly. And I think the whole, you know, we protect famil, we're pro kid, you know, all that we, you know, the Sanctity of life. I think it would be offensive that they were accosted on a street with their newborn. I just think that would be, that, that would be too awkward and ugly and like crotch sweaty to see that. But. And I, I think they wouldn't think that charges should be filed. Maybe. I'm going through my family right now.

B (37:38)

I just pumps. The people I know that were in your circle, the, the. They would have a problem with two men having a baby. And there's always a blame to. Well, I mean, you know, a lot of people, you know, if we as Christians just, you know, we think marriage is between a man and a woman, that baby doesn't have a mom. And that guy was just trying to, you know, point out to them and show an example that this baby doesn't have a mom. I can see that group piling on to this other narrative that two men shouldn't have a baby and how he, when he asked those questions. Because you're talking about schools and institutionalized homophobia where they teach marriages between a man and a woman. And I mean, it's a big, big, huge part.

C (38:29)

Duplicity. I think the duplicity would still be there, no question. But the way that was handled would be on the interviewer because it would be too embarrassing and awkward and ugly to rubber stamp that. But it wouldn't. So it'd be duplicate. Duplicitous in how you'd handled it. Yes, that was wrong. It shouldn't happen. But yeah, two men probably shouldn't have a baby. Does that make sense?

B (38:56)

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I'm just gonna say those two dads, in my opinion, are a million times better fathers than all of the white Christian conservative parents that I encountered raising my kids in Oklahoma City that have their. Not Christian light people, but mega church white Christian people. Those two dads are going to give that baby a much better childhood without the indoctrination, the hate, the permission structure to be an. Than any of the, you know, those, all those crazy Christian schools in Oklahoma. I mean, Josh would always say, or I don't want my kids hanging out with those kids.

D (39:37)

Yeah, it's. I was getting ready to re up that. It's like back in Oklahoma, if you said, I come from a good Christian family, our kids could not spend the night at your house. That's the way we think about people like that. Like, like we see it up close. We. The hate is real.

B (39:52)

It's real. When our son, when our youngest son would play these Christian schools and I would walk into these Christian schools. And I knew the parents had signed all of these homophobic, you know, marriage things. I physically felt ill. I knew I was embarking in like a KKK grounds. I mean, I knew that there was a per, a structural permission structure to hate particularly LGBTQ plus people that is just hardwired into all of that education and they feel very justified in attacking Josh And I wrote a fundraise, co hosted a fundraiser the other night for GLAAD and Sarah. Kate, the president of glad, is this amazing woman. And she stood up and spoke about the attacks that that community is under right now. And it's just very, very real. And that guy felt so emboldened to do that. And it's popped off on MAGA supporting that guy because this shit tracks. They love to hate on gay and trans people. It's so sad.

D (40:57)

And I will say this too, in, in my work and what I see in a lot of rural small towns, there's a lot of young African American kids that are just subjected to just outright day to day racism in small white communities where they're called the N word every other day, or they're called a monkey, or they're called something every single day. And then that child has to come home and see his or her parents and process that. And then a lot of times you have a school that doesn't protect you. It's. I mean, we all. It's easy to think that this thing isn't as bad as it is, but when you get up close in it, especially in the criminal justice system, it's ten fucking times worse than you think it is when you get up in it. Oh, sorry, no, go ahead.

C (41:46)

No, because my kids went to a Christian school and I can tell you it's there. The racism, the cruelty is it, it's the superiority that you don't even recognize the cruelty because you believe you're superior and that it's your right. Like your divine right almost. And critical thinking is not taught.

B (42:09)

Like, don't you think it's just your normal. Like it's your, just your normal. Like, like, yeah, that's all these people,

C (42:15)

Noah and the Ark. I just thought, okay, that's, that's what happened. Because I never questioned it. Because I was never taught to question it. I didn't have critical thinking skills. So you just, it's just, you're like on a hamster wheel. Generation after generation after generation, unless you stop it.

B (42:33)

Because those Christian school kids, they, that's where you hear the N word the most. That's where you hear The f slur the most. That's where you hear all of it. That's where it all lives. My kids would inevitably go play with some kids that went to the all Christian school and they'd come home, home and it was always, oh my God, these kids, mom. I mean they just say the N word. They say the f slur. They, I mean they just knew like wow, this is a completely different type of people than than what we are around and that this lives and breathes there in this video of this guy. It is. MAGA loves this. They like this. As outraged as we all are, this it sticks the landing in the magaverse. Okay, let's move on to billionaire bashing.

C (43:22)

So favorite.

B (43:24)

All right, the 2026 Met Gala is coming up. And as a person who loves fashion and attractive people, what can I say? I'm shallow and vapid and all those things. But I think I like to look at attractive people and great clothes.

C (43:37)

That's why she likes us. We're attractive.

B (43:39)

Exactly. So I always liked looking at all of the image images, whether before back in the day it was like People magazine or Us Weekly. And now it would be like Instagra at the Met Gala. But in the face of Trump 2.0, the disgusting wealth on display and what little conviction these billionaires have. Like Jeff Bezos, it really like it's been so stomach turning to me. Like I really before it'd be like I'd hear people on the far left go I hate billionaires. Like why do you care? You know, like whatever. Now I get it. I totally get it. Because they're disgusting exploiters. So Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez are desperate to be cool kids. Desperate. Little did they know all they had to do was just be decent people and resist fascism. But instead of course, they've been the Dina Trump launching rockets and he is now going to be like the co host or the leader of the Met Gala. And so pop up this headline. A billionaire circus MET Gala quietly slashing costs as it struggles to sell out amid surrounding Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez's involvement. And here's an excerpt from the article. The Met Gala was once the hottest ticket in town, but the shine is fading fast with prices being slashed as tables struggle to sell for the 2026 ball. RadarOnline.com can reveal some of the lack of interest stems from disgust at amaz billionaire Jeff Bezos and his wife Lauren Sanchez serving as honorary co chairs and lead financial sponsors of the event while lead chairperson and primary host Anna Wintour is Fighting to keep the Met Gala relevant and rapidly changing times. And I love this for all of them. I love that this is going to be humiliating to have your picture taken there. I think that this needs to be. This is a time for people of all walks of life, famous, not famous, rich, poor, middle class, you know, to stand up and believe in something. This administration is being propped up by fascist oligarchs like Jeff Bezos who are funding I shit, who have given Trump a permission structure, who exploit their employees. So I love it when bad things happen to bad people. People.

C (46:13)

I do, too. You know what I love is that Lauren Sanchez after her. I have thought so much about that article about her. Like, we get up and we do our gratitude. Like, I've thought about that and I'm just like, you could not waterboard that information out of me. Like, if my husband and I got up and we just. Gross. Okay, whatever. And that she's so victimized. I'm enjoying being a billionaire. Name me. All these billionaires should enjoy life. They have everything they want. But.

B (46:40)

But.

C (46:40)

So my favorite thing about that whole article that you just read right here is that they have to read it. That they have to know that people are boycotting them. I loved it for Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez when they did their rocket thing. And it's like, it's 20 seconds in space and we're empowering women. It's like everybody was like, shut the fuck up. If you want to empower women, fucking get off Trump's dick and spend money like your ex wife. Jeff. Have Bezos, you piece of. So I love this for them. I. I'm. This makes me happy.

B (47:14)

So it's gonna get better for you Pumps here, because pop up this next headline calls for Met Gala boycott after Jeff Bezos foots the bill brought to you by worker exploitation. This year's Met Gala is being funded by the Amazon founder and his wife, Lauren Sanchez Bezo. And then here's a photo boycott the Bezos Met Gala brought to you by the firm that powers ice. And so this is a really important form of resistance. And it's bigger than just beautiful people that have money and designer clothes. It's bigger than that. It is a cultural awakening and that so many people in capitalism are completely swept over. They get up and they do everything right. They get up, they make breakfast, they go to work, they drop their kids at school, or their kids, you know, take the bus to school, they get back home, medical bills, dental bills, child care bills, and they can't get ahead because these billionaires exploit their labor. And we have a entire country that assumes. And we give these billionaires something they haven't earned. Oh, Jeff Bezos must be so smart and so amazing because he's so rich. And really, he's just a total piece of shit. There's nothing unique or great about Jeff Bezos. Probably as boring and probably a terrible light. I bet Mackenzie Bezos so happy that she is away from him. And she's probably like, lauren, you have at it.

C (48:55)

You can have it.

B (48:56)

Chomp. You know, I mean, I bet it's just so. I love this. I think it's a really important time for all of us to think about how we have. And I still think we all get to like nice things we don't get. Not everything has to be ruined for us. But this grotesque parade of wealth when there's so much suffering in the richest country, people don't have health care or can't afford child care. It's really gross. It's really.

D (49:22)

I don't know that it's necessarily wealth as much as it is what you do with your wealth. Like. And Jeff Bezos is obviously not a good example for people, but the thought. I have a pretty strict rule I try to adhere to. And if you're a white Christian with a lot of money and you're a Republican, I just don't spend any time with you, period, End of story, much less get dolled up. And also, I find them very, very uninteresting, you know, if you're having to talk to him. So I don't think that it's gonna be any skin off our back to skip the Met Gala.

B (49:59)

Yeah, no. Yeah. We've never been.

C (50:01)

Okay, hold on. He wants taxes, but how much do you think he's bankrolling this Met Gala for?

B (50:08)

I mean, who knows? I mean. I mean, probably a good chump change to him. Yeah, it would be chump change if it's $10 million. If it's $20 million, it has zero impact on Jeff Bezos's bottom line. I mean, the larger issue here is when you have Anna Wintour, who famously wouldn't allow Melania Trump on the COVID of vogue during Trump 1.0. And you see this slow capitulation by so many people that have so much privilege and could really be leaders and fighters for democracy and for the systems that made Jeff Bezos successful, the systems that made Anna Wintour successful, and you see them grotesquely bend the knee to this, it is moral collapse on full display. I think we need to do brand damage to the Met gala. I think that anything that Jeff Bezos is associated with, where he's trying to wash his fascist, you know, rot that he has on him, you know, when you hear about they call it sports washing with Saudi Arabia, they're investing in golf and they're investing in these tennis matches, but they're still like, these are the people that ground, like put a human being in acid dec, like dismembered him, Jamal Kogi, and then poured him down the drain. And, and I just don't think the ruling class, the oligarchs or the Democratic ruling class, the Republican ruling class has any idea how disgusted the American public is with these people. And Josh, you have a really good point. Somebody like McKenzie, the wife of Jeff, she can't give it away fast enough. And it's always to marginalized people, mills on wheels, black universities, etc.

D (52:05)

I want to say one thing too, because even some of the liberal elitists that are wealthy, that run in these circles, and we mentioned Anna Wintour, if they're not a part of the day to day fabric of this culture and what's taking place in this country, it's easy to lose sight of who you're associating with and what you're supporting. Even though you come from a place of good goodness, you become somewhat complicit by agreeing to do these events or associating yourself with brands like this because you're not part of the day to day grind. You're not getting your nose in it every day because you're in a penthouse in Manhattan. You're not in Paul's Valley, Oklahoma. So keep in mind, keep that in mind. Think about that. Like this stuff, the incident you showed with the gay couple and their child, all the stuff we see where we're from, like, this stuff is real. And when you associate with someone like Jeff Bezos or someone in Trump's administration or you agree to appear at something, you become complicit in that you become part of the problem. Even if you come from a place of goodness, even if you're a liberal, a staunch liberal who believes in equal rights for all people. And it's easy to forget that we're here to remind you.

B (53:29)

Yeah. And I just think it's interesting that like at one point Anna Wintour used her privilege and the brand she had built at Vogue for like, no, I'm not putting on the COVID Melania Trump. I'm not doing that. I'm not bending the knee to the, these human rights violators, whatever her reasons were, and then now she's able to do it. And I think that's something that a lot of people are going to have to answer for. It's a quick, impulsive thing in this moment to do. But this moment that we're in right now isn't going to last forever. So let's, let's Fast forward to four or five years, five years ago, what was it, 20, 21. We just come out of COVID That didn't seem like that long ago. So five years from now, we're all going to be in a completely different place. But what these people did during this time will remain. And there is a historical record of all of the people who just. I want to feel good right now, this second. And I'm going to let Jeff Bezos and Lauren Sanchez in and say, if you know what, Jeff Bezos, fucking pay your people. How much goddamn money do you need? Instead of bending the knee to Trump, you know, demand, demand structural change. It's just, it's really disgusting. I, I will say there's. What's his name, Warren Buffett, he was talking about taxes the other day. And like if you tax the rich, if the rich paid their fair share in taxes, none of us would even have to pay taxes, really.

D (54:53)

I was going to say Jeff Bezos could hire a bunch of bots to go to this event. Couldn't he just pay a bunch of bots, some of these MAGA bots and have them attend?

B (55:02)

Okay, but here's some good news. Mayor Mandani and his wife have declined the invite to attend the Met Gala this year. Breaking a long standing tradition for New York City mayors. Cites that his focus right now is on affordability. And so I think the dam is kind of breaking. And I good on him. He just consistently, the mayor shows that he is for the people, that he is going to fight for working class people. And this takes me back to kind of the start of this episode where we're talking about these matters. Christians. The Muslim mayor Zoran Mamdani fights for trans people, fights for gay people, fights for poor people, fights for homeless people, humanizes people. And to me, he acts more Christlike than all of the Christians at every mega church I ever met in Oklahoma combined. I agree. Zor and mom Donnie does the Muslim who I just have to say to white America, you need to accept it. Muslims are here, they live here. We have Muslim American citizens and they're not going anywhere. They're not. They are Americans.

D (56:20)

Couldn't agree more. And it circles back to our point.

B (56:24)

I don't think Zoran wore khakis in a vest, do you? Pumps. I don't see him doing that far

C (56:31)

too like, he's got too big of an interesting it factor for that.

B (56:35)

He's always in a suit and tie. He's always dead. Always.

D (56:39)

What a smart, you know, the Met Gala, it just sort of exudes excessiveness. And so what a smart decision. I mean, it's by far the right decision at a time when people are hurting as much as marginalized groups are hurting and your day to day citizens are hurting. To be a part of something that's so excessive and wasteful with a group of people like that. And so kudos to the mayor who I got to meet last night, by the way.

C (57:09)

Yeah, isn't he great?

D (57:11)

Yes, fantastic.

B (57:12)

It's just, it's really good when politicians make us better people and they set an example that makes us better. That's a really important component to it. And you know, there's nothing about Ted Cruz or Lindsey Grahams that makes makes one person on the planet better. Not one thing they say or one thing they does is helpful or promotes any sort of goodness. But zoron and progressive people like him saying, I'm not going to the Met Gala, it makes you stop and think God is pretty. I mean, people are suffering. Jeff Bezos sucks. Trump sucks. It is pretty grotesque. He would be a hypocrite if he went. It makes you think. And I think that's a really good politician.

D (57:54)

I will say this. Ted Cruz's Cancun video did add a lot of joy personally to my life for a long period of time. So he has contributed something positive out into the universe by allowing us to see him stampeding to the airport during the hurricane.

B (58:14)

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