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Jennifer
So are we supposed to start the podcast?
Angie
Ready? One, two, three.
Jennifer
Patriots Gay trots. They trots. I have some really sad news. My cat, Kitsky, AKA Katsky, died peacefully in her sleep. And she lived a good life. She was 17 years old. I know that we had covered her journey, her feline journey into old age, exclusively on this podcast, but I do want to say this. When you have a pet for a long time and they're just kind of always there in your house, and then I searched in my photo roll with my sons and my husband last night. Cat. And then you have like two decades worth photographs with this animal. It's really sad when they're. When they're gone.
Angie
Yeah, it's really sad because when you see pictures of like your kids when they were little with her, it's like, oh, my gosh, she's been around for so many different steps in life changes. It is sad. And I. When you told me, I immediately felt guilty because I've been harboring this, wanted to kill her. You know, her quality of life has. Or her quantity of life has outlived her quality of life. And so I just. I'm sorry about that. And it was traumatic how you found her.
Jennifer
It's okay. It's okay. And I know that, like, you know that you loved Kitsky deep down.
Angie
Yeah, I loved her for you. Because you loved her.
Jennifer
Did the share with our listener. Well, listener, let me just tell you. So the vet had to come to my house to pick up her body, and I'm there and she's like, let's say goodbye to her. And I reached down and I was like, you're a good kitty. And then the vet like rubbed on her cheeks and I just had shaved her, you know, Cause she couldn't groom. And I looked at the vet and I said, that's probably what killed her.
Angie
Well, and I took my dog to the vet yesterday for X rays, and both the veterinarian and the vet tech extended their condolences to me about your cat. And I was like, I know it's sad, but we were ready.
Jennifer
If they only knew. No, it's. You know, when somebody. It's always sad when you lose an animal because it's like the fragility of life and your mortality and you have these animals that live with you, and they, for the most part, bring you just an abundance of joy. So anyway, my cat is gone. Long live Kitsky.
Angie
Do you think you'll get another cat?
Jennifer
No, no, no, I'm not going to get another cat. I. I Roman asked me this very question. I could see if I outlived Josh maybe, like, the last 10 years of my life. Having a house that's on some land and having a lot of animals.
Angie
Right. I would think those animals would all be French bulldogs, though.
Jennifer
Yes. But I wouldn't mind having, like. Have you seen those little cats have those little short legs and a real fluffy. Oh, I haven't. Yeah, they're super cute. Now, I'm. I mean, listen, I don't know. Right now, I'm not going to get another cat. I. You know, I've got these two dogs. I've got Josh. You know, I've got a lot going on, but pumps. What have you had it with?
Angie
Okay, what I've had it with is I've had, like, this head cold for two weeks.
Jennifer
Me, too.
Angie
It's ridiculous. And I wake up in the morning, Jennifer. And I tell you what, I wake up, my throat and my mouth are so dry, it's like somebody painted it with chalk.
Jennifer
Same. You would think that we've been French kissing.
Angie
I know. I mean, we haven't, but we could have been. And then, not only is my throat and mouth. Are my throat and mouth dry and chalky, it tastes like the biggest dog on the planet has come and taken a big steaming dump in my mouth. And I wash. I mean, I mouthwash, I brush, I scrape. And the entire day, I still feel like my breath could knock a buzzard off a ship wagon. And I was at the vet yesterday, and she was trying to show me some X rays. And so we were kind of having to lean in, and I have to put my hand over my mouth. And I was like, I am so sorry. I know my bre. Terrible. I mean, it is awful. You can just taste it. And I'm sick of it. And I've had it, and I want it to stop. And I can only imagine the snoring that's going along with my open mouth. Breathing, sleep. I mean, I'm sure it is a freight train.
Jennifer
Wow. Yeah, wow. I mean, the description of how bad it's so bad your breath is about the dog. Yeah, wow. I mean, you know, here's the problem. You know, we're secretly. Behind your back, the producers and I are trying to market you on dating websites. And so this goes. This is, like, not good for the branding that we're trying to put out into the universe. Date this hot podcaster, you know, America's favorite podcaster. America's meemaw. Legal Eagle, meet Curtain. All the stuff. Maybe a little over top Princess Diana. And then we just have a description about a dog taking a literal dump in your mouth. And then you parading around having conversations with people after that.
Angie
Right. With my hand over my mouth.
Jennifer
Oh, God.
Angie
And here's the thing. She's like, I can't smell your breath. And I'm like, what are you going to say if you could smell my breath? You're not going to say, oh my God, your breath is terrible. But I just, I have that film in my mouth all day long. It doesn't matter how much mouthwashing, brushing, scraping. I'm just, I've had it. I need to get over it.
Jennifer
Thank you.
Angie
Done.
Jennifer
Thank you for all those details. Thank you on behalf of me and the listener. That, that there's no happy ending there either.
Angie
No, it's not getting better.
Jennifer
Right. Okay, let me tell you what I've had it with. And you experienced this with me. And I just want to bring this to everybody's attention because we have to move and we have to move fast. There is something going on at arenas or venues that host people for like, let's say a basketball game, a concert, a tennis match, et cetera, where you go to the concession stand and you buy a bottle of water and then the concession stand worker says, would you please remove the lid and hand it back to me? And they're basically making you buy a bottle of water and then give the lid back to them because they don't want the lids in the arena. There is no good reason, there is zero reason for this, that you would take somebody's lid. Because here's my thinking on this entire thing. The reason why you get the bottle of water is you can screw the lid on tightly, stick it down if somebody kicks it over, because people are up and down going to the bathroom, in your case, going to scrape your tongue and gargle Listerine. All this stuff is going on. Right? And, and this bottle has no lid on it. So it gets knocked over and then you got some klutz that comes by and then bites it. The lawsuits are going to be far, far worse. So I don't know what the reasons are. Kyla, if you'll start researching Googling, I can guarantee you there's not a good reason for this. It's not like you're outside at Madison Square Garden and some bird is flocking in and choking on the water bottle lid. I mean, we've already, we're already drinking out of plastic, for God's sake. Right? We. Oh my God. The lid is the problem. And this has happened to me. It happened to me once at a tennis match in. At the labor cup in London. I couldn't have my lid on. And then when we went to the Oklahoma City Thunder vs. The New York Knicks for the permanent record, the Thunder annihilated the Knicks. And the New Yorkers were really, really salty about it, which gave us a lot of bonus points in that regard. But I ended up. I never drink soda. Ever, Ever. And I ended up drinking a Sprite so that it could have a lid on it because I didn't want this rogue water splashing around pumps. You know, you trip and fall all the time. I did that for your safety.
Angie
Right? No, totally. And I've done. I've had that happen to me, too. And what I can't get over is, why are you taking the lid off the water but allowing the lid on the soft drinks? Like, I don't understand that. That makes no sense. There's no symmetry to that.
Jennifer
I don't. I don't know who started this, but here's what I predict. I predict there were some people scrambling jets around a table.
Angie
Oh, yeah.
Jennifer
And they were bored. And they decided that they were going to commit violence that day. And they took the lids away from all of us. And then just snowball effects. And then one arena does it and another arena does it and another arena does it. And here's what's going to happen. Hide and watch. You're gonna have all this spilled water all over the place. And then all of a sudden you're gonna have broken hips, broken wrists, broken. A lot of stuff. Concussions, banging on the steps. And then there's gonna be a class action lawsuit. And let me tell you who the attorney for the class action lawsuit is gonna be. It is gonna be America's legal eagle attorney at Law Pumps.
Angie
Well, I would say I'd probably be more likely to be a litigant and one of the claimants, because I did. When I got a water at a soccer game in London, no lid, I put it underneath my seat, knocked it over immediately knocked it over, got my purse all wet, walked through it. I'm surprised I didn't fall head first down the stairs. But I do. It worries me that it's like a. Like I'm going to slip. And now I'm like. Because I did fall the other day, I'm super paranoid about it. So I just threw the water away. I was like, I cannot be trusted with water.
Jennifer
Let me ask you this. In the lawsuit that it's Going to be imminent. Oh, yeah. That we're organizing. Can you both be a litigant and a lawyer?
Angie
You know what they say about that. A lawyer that. Okay, a lawyer that represents themselves has a fool for a client. So I would say no. I could either be the lawyer or the litigant.
Jennifer
Because you're no fool.
Angie
I am. No. Well, that might be an overstatement, but in that particular capacity, I'm no fool.
Jennifer
Welcome to. I've had it. I'm Jennifer.
Angie
I'm Angie.
Jennifer
Kylie. What'd you find out about the lids?
Kylie
I found out that it is because it's a safety issue. And people use water bottles with the lid on tight full of liquid as weapons.
Jennifer
Bullshit.
Angie
Okay, but here's the thing. Why couldn't you use a bottle of soda? For the exact same reason. Because they give you the lid with the soda.
Jennifer
Well, because I think then you can beat. But here's the thing. Here's. That's the. Dad. That is no good reason because what's going to happen are these slips. We're going to have concussions. We're going to have broken wrists, broken arms, broken shoulders, broken hips. A lot of things. We're going to have a lot of medical problems. And I just want to say right now that if this happened to you. Contact. What's your Meat Curtain?
Angie
Meat Curtain, Meemaw Law firm. Isn't that right? Meat Curtain, Meemaw or no, is it Meemaw Meat Curtain?
Jennifer
Kelly, what is it?
Kylie
Was it 1-800-meat flap? Meatball Meat Mall?
Jennifer
Yeah. 1, 800 people even made jingles for me.
Angie
Curtain Law.
Jennifer
Yeah. That is. Okay, here's the deal. If. If I. Here, I'm. I think I could take a beating from a water bottle. And I think I could. Maybe I'd get a bruise or two. I think I could survive it.
Angie
I think it's more dangerous to slip down those stairs in an arena.
Jennifer
I do, too.
Angie
It makes no sense.
Jennifer
I want to know who came up with this idea. Yeah. I want more information. And it's not just the United States, because this has happened in the uk, Right? And the United States. And I'm just going to tell you right here, we have had it. We're not going to stand for it, and it trumps America. If there's one bloody thing the Democrats could do. If you could just give us one little victory, get us our caps back on our water bottles, for God's sake.
Angie
Let's start small.
Jennifer
Yeah.
Angie
Just small changes every day.
Jennifer
Yeah. That would buy me about 10 hours of not worrying, maybe five. I was gonna say God is generous.
Angie
Yeah.
Jennifer
All right, Kylie, what's going on on the Internet?
Kylie
I've got two reviews for you today. And this one is titled A Masterclass in Chewing People Out. Five stars from the Queer Cajun. And they write no one is safe from the verbal lashings of Meemaw Meat Curtains and Blessica. And honestly, thank God, my favorite part of every Tuesday and Thursday morning is cooking breakfast while y'all chew out every corner of the American population, from influencers and small talk to yoga instructors and Facebook moms, you two somehow say exactly what I'm thinking before I even knew it.
Jennifer
I mean, I. You know what? I. Thank you.
Angie
It's a service.
Jennifer
It is. You know, it's. All of this toxic positivity is nauseating. Not sustainable. I've had it. It's disgusting.
Angie
Shut up.
Jennifer
Shut up.
Angie
And I love the name. Was it Queer Cajun? I love that. Yeah, that's a great name.
Jennifer
Yeah, it's a good one. Listener, this may come as a total shock to you, but Pumps and I have not always been this pulled together and rock solid. In fact, we used to be rather screwed up. Wouldn't you say, Pumps?
Angie
I would say damn near psychotic.
Jennifer
Totally. And we have written a cell phone expose. One could even say it's a manifesto. And the book title is Life is.
Angie
A Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches.
Jennifer
In all sincerity, we share a lot of our struggles that led us to this grand stage where we can talk about petty grievances. You can click the link below in the show notes to pre order your copy. Now, Pumps, it's really important for me to get nutrient dense meals because I play so much tennis and pickleball. I notice if I don't get enough protein or if I eat, you know, non healthy food, I really feel it and my game suffers. And you know, when you're a serious athlete like me, eating clean is so important. That's why I am so happy to have discovered Cook Unity.
Angie
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Kylie
Okay, this one's five stars titled Kylie My Dehydrated Queen. Hi ladies. I'm disappointed to admit that I am a lacklust listener as I have been listening to your podcast and I'm a devoted cult member for over a year and I'm just now writing a review. I want to dedicate this to Kylie, whose travel advice I have now adopted. Whenever I fly, I will never use the restroom on a plane, so I purposefully stop all intakes hours before my flight. Sure, I may look like a dehydrated wrinkly raisin, AKA Meemaw meat curtains. After a year with no Botox, but it's worth it. I love you all. And coming from a member of the LGBTQ+ community, thank you for standing up not only for our community, but for all marginalized communities, especially during these frightening times. Keep it up.
Angie
What a great review.
Jennifer
It's a great review. And here's the thing. This is not a popular opinion, but we've been pushing it, and I actually have. I've been beating this so long that I'm starting to really reap some results. So, you know, pumps back in the day, you guys should get in my car. And she had a Stanley, a backup Stanley. And this was before Stanley's. They were actually these really large styrofoam cups. And she'd have one and then another. It was like four beverages. You. Unless you had a. An rv, you would not have enough cup holders for all of the beverages she transported around. And this is when, like, I just started getting really irritated with hydration. Combine that with the fact that when you go to any town with altitude, everybody's like, be sure to hydrate. Be sure to hydrate. I'm like, be sure to put a sock in it. Everybody knows. Quit talking about it. And so then the Stanley cup comes in, and we all know what that leads to and all of this stuff. And then Kylie, this little angel, enters my life who intentionally dehydrates, and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, I didn't ever take it far enough.
Angie
Right. You were just on the cusp.
Jennifer
I was. I was like, I was at the appetizer and she was a full blown entree and dessert.
Angie
Right.
Jennifer
And so I, like, when Kylie just admitted on our podcast that she intentionally dehydrates, I was immediately envious and in awe. I was too.
Angie
And I would like to report this. I have instituted a whole new policy on hydration. Number one, I do not drink liquids after 6pm Because.
Jennifer
Hear, hear. Hear, hear. Yeah.
Angie
I mean, none. If I eat dinner, like at 6:30, I just choke it down. No liquid. Because if I get up to potty in the middle of the night, that means my dog has to get up and potty. So that means I'm schlepping out to super cold weather. So I've just been really focused on intentionally dehydrating. Intentionally dehydrating.
Jennifer
Tell them about the Stanley.
Angie
And, well, I would love to take credit that I'm not on the Stanley, but I stopped the Stanley because my girlfriend said her dermatologist said the straw makes you have more wrinkles. So I'm Completely off the Stanley.
Jennifer
Let me ask you this. None of it. None of the getting rid of the Stanley.0% of it. Had to do with me browbeating it leading to Trumpism.
Angie
Would it make you feel better if I said yes?
Jennifer
No. I want the truth.
Angie
No.
Jennifer
0%.
Angie
0%.
Jennifer
0%.
Angie
It was the wrinkles. I mean, I'm like, I'm not paying this much money for Botox and filler and all the other to sit around and Stanley straw my way in to worse wrinkles. I mean, I already smoked for a hundred years, so I've got to start doing better on that. So now I've completely. I'm off the Stanley. Dehydrating on purpose. Thank you, Kylie.
Jennifer
But you know what? Here's what I'm going to say about these arenas. They do. I didn't. I ended up not purchasing the water on principle because I'm like. I'm not. Is there any discount for not getting the cap? Because I want the complete packaging dollar off. Right. How much are you going to deduct for removing that cap?
Angie
Yeah, it's kind of like when you buy a cheeseburger. Like, I buy a cheeseburger and I put no cheese on it.
Jennifer
That's a hamburger.
Angie
I mean, a ham. I know, but, like, it's. When you order, like, it's a number five with no cheese. So it's a cheese. You order the cheeseburger, but then you take the cheese off. So I've probably not taken. Like, I've made money for them all these years not ordering cheese. So it's the same way with the lid and the bottle. They're profiting. Why are you laughing at me? Why are you laughing?
Jennifer
Because you haven't made anybody any money. You've simply ordered a hamburger.
Angie
I know, but I order off all the burgers on this one menu in town.
Jennifer
You intentionally order a cheeseburger without cheese?
Angie
Yes, because they don't have just, like, a plain hamburger option. So I order the no cheese. So I'm like, that's saving them $0.30 every time I order. But if I order a hamburger with cheese, you have to pay extra for the cheese. But I'm not getting a discount for not ordering the cheese.
Jennifer
Kylie, do you know what's going on? Are you okay? No.
Angie
Look at the Brahms menu. Look it up right now. They do not have just a plain hamburger option.
Jennifer
They do.
Angie
I don't think they do.
Jennifer
Kylie, look it up. Look it up, Kylie. Look it up.
Kylie
Yeah, you can order a hamburger. I don't. You can do that.
Angie
Everywhere.
Jennifer
I want to know what.
Angie
No, but on the menu where it has all the menus pointed out. I'm like, boxed into different things.
Kylie
It's 420 calories. It's 20 fats. It's 39 carbs. It's the hamburger.
Jennifer
Yeah. They have a hamburger.
Angie
Are you for real? Let me see that.
Jennifer
Pumps. Every single. I have been ordering joint has a cheeseburger and a hamburger. And when you order a cheeseburger minus the cheese, you're ordering a hamburger.
Angie
No, but I pro. I mean, from the drive through window, I didn't see just a hamburger option.
Jennifer
So you're out there just. You think in your mind you're out there just helping corporate America.
Angie
I am. I'm out there saving them a slice of cheese every time I get a hamburger at the drive through.
Jennifer
Okay, Kylie, do you know what's going on?
Kylie
No, I don't.
Jennifer
Okay. I love you. I really do.
Angie
I've been bitter about that for years, and now you're telling me I had no reason to be bitter?
Jennifer
Yeah. You would just order the hamburger. The number one hamburger.
Angie
Yeah, but it ca. It comes with cheese, so you have to say no cheese. Okay, we're going to go through that in a minute.
Jennifer
We're going to go to Brahms.
Angie
We're going to go to Brahms.
Jennifer
And for those of you that don't know, Brahms is like a regional ice cream and burger shop. It's like Texas, Oklahoma. I don't know where else it is. All right, Anyway, I love you. We're gonna go. You know what we're gonna have for lunch today? I'm gonna have a cheeseburger. You can have a hamburger, but we're gonna order it accordingly.
Angie
Okay.
Jennifer
I'll have Kylie come with us and film it.
Angie
Okay.
Jennifer
For our social media, I think I'm.
Angie
Gonna prove that I'm right.
Jennifer
You are a. Here's what you are. You are a cheeseburger influencer, where you are really gaming the system by saying, I'll have the cheeseburger. No cheese.
Angie
No cheese. And please charge me for the cheese.
Jennifer
They're like, okay, no, I demand that you charge me for the cheese.
Angie
You put that cheese on my bill. I want that cheese charged. Like, this whole time I've been mad about it.
Jennifer
Okay, I have some news to share with you. Here's the headline. My five year old sister can't come to my wedding unless she sees a psychologist.
Angie
What?
Jennifer
A five year old? When the couple told their exciting news to the kids, both the older ones were happy. Evie, however, was furious. The reason for her anger was a surprising one. She wrote, she started crying and hitting me because she wanted to marry him and if I marry him, she can't. She refused to speak to me for almost a week and now she's mostly okay, but she gets mad at me and starts crying and hitting me anytime she sees me kiss him. She shared her feelings with her dad, explaining that she won't be allowed to attend the ceremony until she sees a child psychologist. He's saying she doesn't need therapy. She's just a five year old with a crush on my fiance. I'm overreacting and she won't forgive me if I exclude her from the wedding.
Angie
Yeah, I just kind of think you tell the five year old you're not going to act like an asshole at the wedding or you're not going.
Jennifer
I think here's something that, that. Remember our toddler advocacy, Right?
Angie
Yes.
Jennifer
That, that we're starting.
Angie
Right. Boarding school for toddlers.
Jennifer
So here's, here's. And we are like toddler safety advocates. Here's what I'm going to say. This involves a wedding, right? And about five, six episodes ago, we identified places that children shouldn't be.
Angie
That's right.
Jennifer
One of those places is a wedding. And clearly this child is in danger being around her unhinged bridezilla sister that's demanding that she goes to see a psychologist. And here's one thing I'm going to say about the bridezilla sister. I like that she's like, I don't give a shit if you're five, you still need help. You still need to go see a shrink, you little twat. I like it. I like that she has such high expectations of the child and isn't just, you know, pumping rainbows and unicorns up the kid's ass all the time.
Angie
It's what we used to call accountability before Trump's America.
Jennifer
That's right.
Angie
There used to be accountability for behavior.
Jennifer
Okay, here's one. Research says dogs who have other dogs as friends live longer. A study from Arizona State University found that a dog's social support network significantly influences its health outcomes, with social companionship having a more substantial impact than other factors like financial conditions or the owner's age. I don't know about anybody else's dog, but my dogs are gold diggers. Yeah.
Angie
I mean, that threw me for a loop. Came to me for money.
Jennifer
Substantial impact than other factors like finance. Now, I will say that some pets can probably be like, you know, live in poverty.
Angie
Right, right, right.
Jennifer
Yes, yes. Agree but apparently dogs that have friends live longer. And I agree with this.
Angie
It makes perfect sense.
Jennifer
They're pack creatures.
Angie
Well, and they just. Having somebody, like, the isolation is what gets you human or dog, apparently.
Jennifer
Let me ask you this. How's your pack leadership going?
Angie
Okay. It's better. I tried harder this weekend, and he did a little bit better. Oh, yesterday when I picked him up from school. It took me a lot longer than it took you, but I got him to sit. After a while, he just gets so excited. He just comes out of his skin.
Jennifer
He's. He's a really good boy. I think that this weekend we can take them to the cemetery. And I have a. I have something I've had it with. Listen up, listener. When I say that we take our dogs to the cemetery, there's a bunch of keyboard warriors that go apeshit bananas in the comment section. How dare you take your dogs to a cemetery and run over people's graves. We are monsters and we are terrible people, but we do not let our dogs run over tombstones. Here's the layout, everybody. All of you busybodies, keyboard warriors. The layout of the cemetery is this. It's a huge, huge acreage, and a part of it is developed. And there's all the, you know, tombstones and deceased people that passed, et cetera. And then there's the part that they're going to grow into, which is this big open field that is gigantic. Like, acre, like 10 acres. There's not one dead body, not one tombstone anywhere, but it's on the cemetery compound. Everybody takes their dogs and runs?
Angie
Yes, everybody.
Jennifer
So our dogs go and they run. Not near the dead bodies?
Angie
No, they're not even in the same.
Jennifer
They're not even.
Angie
I mean, they're like, way far.
Jennifer
It's a completely different area, and I just want it noted for the permanent record as well. When I'm dead, if dogs are running on top of my grave, it wouldn't upset me one bit. We don't do that. But number one, I wouldn't know it because I'm dead. And number two, I would want living things living their lives.
Angie
Right.
Jennifer
Because I'm dead, I wouldn't be a narcissistic dead person.
Angie
Right. I. I prefer narcissism in life.
Jennifer
What about that? Narcissistic dead people is what they're campaigning for in the comments section.
Angie
Yeah, well, a lot of people are dead.
Jennifer
Dead people. Narcissism.
Angie
Yeah.
Jennifer
I mean, you would think that it could finally end at some point.
Angie
I feel like it's never going to End.
Jennifer
All right, that's all we have for the news today. I think we have voice memos. Kylie, who's first?
Kylie
We do. Up first is Wesley, and he's seeking some advice.
Jennifer
Oh, good.
Wesley
Hello, my mothers. I know this is a podcast about grievances, but at this point, y'all are like, my life coaches. So here's the question for you all. What do you do when your best friend starts dating somebody that you cannot stand? So, in the past, my philosophy has always been, tell my friend once, never bring it up again, unless they bring it up. But good God, like, I cannot stand. Jen, what did you do when Pumps was married to her husband? I don't want to be in the same room as this person. I don't want to be in the same car. I don't want to breed the same air. I don't want to be socially associated with them. I mean, when I even think about it, my heart rate is like Tucker Carlson when Obama wore a tan suit. What do I do?
Jennifer
I love him. I love him. Okay, this is a great one, because.
Angie
Everybody'S had to face it.
Jennifer
Everybody has had to face it. I. It's really tough because it seems like just human nature when you tell somebody that you don't like their spouse or their. Their person they're dating or seeing, it makes the them get closer 100%.
Angie
And it's just. It is such a catch 22 because they ask for your opinion. I do think the. The rule Wesley had at first was, I'm going to tell you how I feel once, and then I'm never going to bring it up again. I have done that. It has bitten me in the ass so hard. I had one of my very best friends forever. She and her future husband were just dating. They broke up, and she was like, he's a loser. I've got to get away from him. So what did I do? I doubled down on that. I went in and started telling her how much of a loser he was, how I could identify every loser part of him. And, I mean, I left no stone unturned. And about three weeks later, they're back together, they get married, and I have to live with that. Like, she knows I think he's a loser. Now they're divorced, but he's the father of her kids. And we laugh about it now, but it was just like, it is such an uncomfortable feeling to do that. But when it's your best friend, I just think you have to be honest and be like, I'm not their biggest fan, but I Think for the sake of your friend. You have to be courteous. I mean, I. I do.
Jennifer
When Pumps was married to her first husband. First.
Angie
I've only had one. Unless I got married and didn't know my second ex husband.
Jennifer
Everybody's got to have a first husband.
Angie
I agree.
Jennifer
So we're just going to refer to him as your first? It makes you sound more like, I don't know, Social. Yeah. Like. Yeah, I like it.
Angie
Romantic. Yeah.
Jennifer
It makes it sound like you're getting laid more than you really are.
Angie
Okay, well, I'm all in on that.
Jennifer
Okay. So when Pumps is married to her first husband. By the time I started sounding the alarm bells, they were so obvious that we would sit and nobody freak out. We haven't. Neither one of us has smoked in over 10 years, but we used to smoke chain smoke, Marlboro Lights. And we would sit on my front porch and light cigarette after cigarette. And we had flowcharts about what a lying, horrific sack of shit this was. He could call and say, what are you doing? And she would say, I'm sitting with Jennifer making a list of things. And he knew exactly what that meant.
Angie
Right. And here's the deal. It was kind of easier for you because I hated him as much as you hated him.
Jennifer
It was so easy, Right.
Angie
We were in lockstep with our haters.
Jennifer
Now, there was a time period where I thought, for sure it's over. Like, this is the point of no return.
Angie
But there were so many.
Jennifer
And then get this listener, they get back together, like for appearances only.
Angie
Right?
Jennifer
So for the kids, he would come home and y'all would play house, like.
Angie
Until the kids went to bed.
Jennifer
And then the kids went to bed.
Angie
Right.
Jennifer
And he would leave and go spend the night with the friends. And then he would arrive back, like five or six hours later in the.
Angie
Morning before the kids.
Jennifer
In the morning before the kids got up.
Angie
Yeah, that fucking crazy.
Jennifer
That part right there, that's where I was just like, why are we trying to put lipstick on that pig?
Angie
There was no. There wasn't enough lipstick at the Chanel store to put lipstick on that pig.
Jennifer
He's not worthy of that. Cosmetics.
Angie
No, absolutely not. No. I mean, it was. It was so ridiculous. I look back and I think that is the dumbest you've ever been. Full stop. I mean, just dumb, dumb.
Jennifer
That went on for months.
Angie
Yeah. And then we moved back in the same house. I mean, we never had sex or anything, but still.
Jennifer
You did that one time when he bought you that car.
Angie
That was before.
Jennifer
Oh, wait, remember you, him in the back of that car, he bought you that infinity and you rewarded him.
Angie
I think that was before, wasn't it?
Jennifer
I don't, I don't remember when it was, but I remember thinking it's fucking.
Angie
Gross is what it is.
Jennifer
I, you know, here's the thing. You can say it's gross when you're married and you've had kids with somebody and you've had sex a million. It's times. It's like, what's one more time? I got the car I wanted. Yeah. I'll him in the back of it.
Angie
Yeah.
Jennifer
I mean, listen, that was my idea.
Angie
If I remember correctly.
Jennifer
I think it kind of was your idea. Which brings us back to how you're a closet horny person. You are in the closet as a horny person.
Angie
Yeah, I'm just waiting for the hinges to spring off.
Jennifer
Yeah. Because I mean that, you know, that was kind of kinky. I think your kids were at home, even. Yeah. I just. I do think you are a closet horny person. I do.
Angie
Just waiting for a partner.
Jennifer
As evidenced by the car sex.
Angie
Right, Car sex.
Jennifer
And when that guy recently flashed you a couple years ago, you were delighted by it. That driver, fellow driver, pulled up next to you and he was masturbating or something wildly inappropriate, and you came to me and you regretted from ear to ear.
Angie
I was just like, oh, my gosh.
Jennifer
I wish I could be about it. Yeah, I think you're a closet kinky horny person. I wish.
Angie
I wish I was out listener.
Jennifer
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Kylie
Okay, up next, we've got Kirby.
Kirby
Okay, so I love you guys. First of all, you're like my surrogate non lesbo mommies and I absolutely love you. I'm an OKC resident, born and raised in Oklahoma. I work in the service industry at the moment in time, but I worked in HR for a long time and what that's taught me is that you don't put up with bullshit when bullshit's right in front of you. So I want to tell you about a story from a few nights ago where a man wearing a MAGA hat walked into my bar, which is an intentional safe space, and I full on barked at him. And not just like a. It was like a. Like an English bulldog that hasn't been treated properly its entire lifetime. It was a. So I just, I just want to put that out there as a suggestion for you all. A few women came up to me afterwards after I did that and thanked me for my service. So I mean, you say get fully unhinged and give them what they've been getting. Give them what they've been giving.
Jennifer
So.
Kirby
So I full on barked at this man and anytime I walked past him, I went. So I've become unhinged as a result of listening to your podcast. I just want to thank you, thank you for your service because we're out here being deputized members of your community and doing the Lord's work that I don't believe in. But, but I really do love you guys and wanted to share that with you.
Jennifer
I mean to. What I have to say is, you're welcome little soldier. Young grasshopper.
Angie
Deputized.
Jennifer
Deputized. And I have a little story to tell you all. So pumps and I on inauguration Day went and had breakfast together at this little greasy diner we both love in Oklahoma City. I order scrambled eggs and a short stack. She orders biscuits and gravy. And a side of.
Angie
It's not really relevant.
Jennifer
I know. I'm painting the picture as an author would do. Okay? I'm letting them know that we're not in here eating, like, you know, crunchy food. We're doing greasy spoon, right? All right? So we look around at the people around us, and Pumps is, like, glaring at me. And she's doing her head like this. She's like, maga hat. Maga hat. Maga hat. So I turn and there's this woman sitting with this man that's about 950 years old, and she has on a maga hat, Red. And then she has this cup in front of her, and the cup has all these mini American flags in it, right? January 20th. Pumps and I are literally on suicide watch. We're just like, let's go eat. So she's parading around the restaurant, smiling, waving a little flag at everybody. And I want to tell you that I glared like nobody's business. I would not blink. I didn't. And I looked at her with just. I wanted her to feel it if she got smiles from everybody else. I wanted my negative energy and my disdain for her support of a sexist, racist, anti Semitic piece of shit that tried to give a microphone a blowjob. Because, you know, that woman was a big churchgoer. You could see all over her that she was a big old Testament gal. Right? And so I wanted my energy to just supersede anything else in that little cafe. And I think it did. Yeah.
Angie
You were like. Because she. Her back was to me as they were leaving, and Jennifer is just giving her the most evil eye you've ever seen. And they looked exactly, exactly. If they hadn't had the maga hat on, we both would have been able to identify them as MAGA.
Jennifer
Yeah, it looked like they came fresh from January 6th. I mean, just fresh off the boat from January 6th. Freshly pardoned.
Angie
Yes, Freshly pardoned from jail. They just looked exactly. And Jennifer was like that. I said, look, look, look. And she was like, oh, that guy with the maggot. I'm like, that's a woman. And she's like, that's a woman.
Jennifer
Yeah, Yeah, I did. I did misgender her initially. Yeah, yeah. But it was just from the side. And then once I got the front, then I could.
Angie
She was too old. I mean, she was old enough to know better. Had we Known about the barking. Like, I hadn't heard about the barking. I didn't know people were doing that. Would you have barked?
Jennifer
What? Was she meaning that metaphorically?
Angie
No, because she said she. When he walked by, she'd go, right.
Jennifer
But I. The barking. Was that literal or metaphorical? I took it literally.
Angie
Did you take it, Kylie?
Jennifer
What do you think?
Kylie
I want to take it literally that.
Jennifer
She literally barked at him?
Kylie
Yeah, just for me. I like picturing that.
Angie
Okay, that's what we should do.
Jennifer
And when she said it was an intentional safe space. Do we think that this was a gay bar or right now we're just shooting at the wind, trying to paint a picture. We need more details, caller.
Angie
Yes, please.
Jennifer
Okay, see, caller, we need more details.
Angie
Or send an Instagram to Seth where this is and we might take a loop through.
Jennifer
Please message Kylie or Seth. Okay, who's next?
Kylie
Up next, we've got Jess.
Jess
Hey, guys, it's Jess from Australia. And my. I've had it is kind of a double edged sword in a way. The first side of the situation is when you're in a public car park and you are walking back to your car, you're about to leave, you're kind of sitting in the car and you know, before I leave, I kind of like to reapply my lip gloss, scan my phone a little bit, just mentally prepare for the drive ahead and then some pulls up next to you and starts indicating obviously like one in your car park. No, you can't have my car park. I'm not done with it yet. I don't owe you the car park. You can sock right off and find your own. If I want to sit here all day, but I fucking will. On the flip side of this, however, when I need someone's car park and they don't get up and drive off fast enough, they are the problem and they need to be faster and I hate them and start cussing them out. And this is just another example of how I'm always right and everyone around me is always wrong. I'm gonna be brutally honest. I hate both sides of the situation. And in both situations, I'm the. I'm the correct one. One podcast, okay?
Jennifer
That is the most relatable, totally grievance.
Angie
I've been on both sides of it.
Jennifer
I'm on both sides and I am like, come on, lollygagger, get your together. Can't you see you're stopping traffic? What a selfish piece of. And that if I'm the person in and I'm checking my phone, responding to a text and I see somebody, I'm like, settle down, Right? Slow your roll. Maybe. Maybe walk an extra 10 yards.
Angie
Why are you in such a hurry? Why is your hair on fire?
Jennifer
Why are you breathing down my neck? But I do want to say this. I think it'd be really fun just to be complete assholes and twats to just start calling. Just start using British and Australian words in Oklahoma City, like car park.
Angie
I loved that when she was saying, let's just.
Jennifer
Yeah, we'll use car park Instead of aluminum, we'll start saying aluminium. Instead of vitamin, we'll say vitamin.
Angie
Yeah.
Jennifer
And just when people say, like, why are you doing that? Like, do you. And it's just like, in Trump's America, we're trying to distinguish ourselves from fascists in all ways possible. So we're trying to use different forms of English and pronunciation, and we can call them twats.
Angie
Quit being a twat.
Jennifer
Yeah, that's exactly right. She's. She is. Hashtag inspo.
Angie
Totally. And hashtag mood board. Love the accent. We all know I love an accent. Fabulous.
Jennifer
The car park. Okay, Kylie, last one.
Kylie
Okay. The last one is from Gwen, and she's also seeking your advice.
Jennifer
Oh, good.
Gwen
Hi, Jen. And pumps. I need some advice on this pressing issue in my life. So my co worker, who I work very closely with, just bought me a Stanley cup for Christmas, and I feel a little bit like I'm being summoned into some sort of cult. I'm looking at it from across the room. It is matte black, kind of chic, if I'm being honest. I'm kind of getting the urge to go and fill it up with water, maybe even iced tea, like pumps might. However, I do understand that this could be a total gateway into to Trumpism. I'm trying not to take that possibility lightly. And it should be noted that this co worker of mine is in fact, a Trump supporter. And I know that because she pronounced Kamala Harris's name as Kamala. And she also asked me if I had ever read Hillbilly Elegy. Please help.
Jennifer
Bye. Okay. To me, this wasn't a gift. This is grooming. This is MAGA grooming. They are groomers. You're being groomed. It is very dangerous. What I would do is I would take that cap right up to that office and walk right over to my colleague's desk and say, hey, where's your trash can? And then pull it out. And I'd say, don't ever give me this MAGA again and don't groom Me either. I know that y'all try to identify all the groomers. It's because you're the groomer. And just flip the script and just be unhinged. Be crazy and be unhinged, because you cannot drink out of this cup for multiple reasons that I've covered since the inception of this podcast.
Angie
And we're adding wrinkles to that.
Jennifer
And the fact. And the fact that this woman, this. The. The colleague that gave the cup is mispronouncing Kamala Harris's name and reading Hillbilly Elegy and all of that nonsense. I. I just think this was an aggression. I think this was an act of aggression.
Angie
See, here's the thing. I feel like. I mean, Stanley cups are pretty expensive, so she must like her. So do you think she likes her and that's why she wants to bring her into the cult?
Jennifer
I think it's a part of the cult. I think it's just. I just. I know everybody thinks I'm fucking crazy about this, but it's. There's just. There are certain things when you start getting, like, the top knot headband, right, With. If it's bedazzled combined with the Stanley cup, you know, you. You just start combining a lot of things and you know exactly what you're dealing with.
Angie
Yeah, that's a tough one. I just think I would just not use it. I just wouldn't. I don't think I'd make a big scene, because what if her boss and all her other trumpers in my.
Jennifer
I. Here's the thing. That kind of goes back to the Australian color. And pumps can attest to this. I'm a notorious fantasizer.
Angie
Oh, yeah.
Jennifer
About being a badass.
Angie
We both are.
Jennifer
I mean, I can sit and say, here's what I would do, and I would do this, and I would say this, and I would do all of these things, and I say it with such passion and so much confidence. You think, God, man, she would do that. She would really people up. Half the time I just tell pumps or I share with you, the listener, and then I'm over it. Yeah.
Angie
Big talking is one of our specialties. Yeah, I'm a big talker. We're big fantasy people.
Jennifer
Huge.
Angie
We chew out people in fantasies like you would not believe for years, especially.
Jennifer
This was exacerbated by joint and shared chain smoking.
Angie
Right.
Jennifer
Pumps would call me and she would say, let's burn. And that means go out to your front porch and let's light a cigarette. And this is when our kids were really little. And we couldn't and, you know, be together. So I'd light up. She'd go, okay, I'm gonna give you a fantasy of what I'm gonna say to my husband. And I was like, okay, lay it on me. And then she would just chew his ass out and then would finish that cigarette and she would say, let's double shot. And that means light another cigarette. Yeah. And then we just light another one. And that's it. And then you should say this. And this would go on for like an hour, right?
Angie
Until the kids got up. Because we got up super early before the kids so we could do this.
Jennifer
Sometimes the kids were watching, watching cartoons, eating junk food. But what does that matter? We were having therapy.
Angie
They're all fine now.
Jennifer
They're all fine. Yeah.
Angie
Nobody died.
Jennifer
Okay, listen. We have as many of you know, another podcast called I Hip News. And it is a way to stay engaged with the insanity that is the Trump era administration. Ten to 15 minute, short, digestible doses with a little bit of humor in it. But what they're going to try to do is wear you down and exhaust you to where you don't give a shit anymore.
Angie
Right.
Jennifer
It is important to stay engaged. So make sure you subscribe to that podcast. If you're on YouTube, it all comes in one main feed, but if you're a listener, you need to subscribe to both. And pumps.
Angie
Tell them we will see you next Tuesday and Thursday. I'll tell you what I've had it with.
Jennifer
Let's hear it. I've had it with that.
Podcast Summary: "I've Had It" – Episode: Narcissistic Dead People
Release Date: February 4, 2025
Hosts: Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
The episode opens with a heartfelt tribute from Jennifer Welch as she shares the passing of her cherished cat, Kitsky, affectionately known as Katsky. At 17 years old, Kitsky lived a long and joyful life, becoming an integral part of Jennifer's family.
Jennifer:
"So the vet had to come to my house to pick up her body, and I'm there and she's like, let's say goodbye to her... When somebody... is always sad when you lose an animal because it's like the fragility of life and your mortality..."
(00:08)
Angie:
"I loved her for you. Because you loved her."
(01:33)
The discussion emphasizes the deep emotional bonds formed with pets, reflecting on shared memories and the sorrow of their loss.
Both Jennifer and Angie lament their ongoing battle with a two-week-long head cold, expressing relatable frustrations about lingering symptoms.
Angie:
"I wake up... my throat and my mouth are so dry, it's like somebody painted it with chalk... It tastes like the biggest dog on the planet has come and taken a big steaming dump in my mouth."
(03:28)
Jennifer:
"Same. You would think that we've been French kissing."
(03:40)
Their humorous exaggerations highlight the daily discomforts of enduring illness, resonating with listeners who share similar experiences.
A significant portion of the episode delves into the hosts' annoyance with arenas and venues mandating the removal of bottle lids when purchasing water. Jennifer vehemently criticizes the lack of rationale behind this policy, speculating about potential safety hazards and legal repercussions.
Jennifer:
"There is zero reason for this... They don't want the lids in the arena. There's no good reason... lawsuits are going to be far, far worse."
(02:39)
Angie:
"Why are you taking the lid off the water but allowing the lid on the soft drinks? It makes no sense. There's no symmetry to that."
(08:44)
The conversation predicts a chaotic future with spilled water and injuries, coupled with a humorous take on potential class action lawsuits led by Angie as "America's legal eagle."
Jennifer:
"If this happened to you. Contact... Meat Curtain."
(11:24)
This rant not only underscores their frustration but also showcases their comedic approach to everyday grievances.
The hosts engage with their audience by reading and reacting to listener reviews, fostering a sense of community and relatability.
Kylie (Listener Review):
"A Masterclass in Chewing People Out... y'all say exactly what I'm thinking before I even knew it."
(12:43)
Jennifer:
"Thank you, on behalf of me and the listener."
(13:34)
These interactions reinforce the podcast's mission to voice common frustrations and provide a space for listeners to feel understood and validated.
Jennifer and Angie candidly discuss their past challenges, revealing that they were once "psychotic" before finding stability. They promote their book, Life Is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches, which chronicles their journey from turmoil to podcast success.
Angie:
"A damn near psychotic."
(13:48)
Jennifer:
"We share a lot of our struggles that led us to this grand stage where we can talk about petty grievances."
(14:01)
This segment not only adds depth to their personas but also offers inspiration to listeners facing their own hardships.
Jennifer introduces an intriguing study from Arizona State University, revealing that dogs with social companions tend to live longer. She emphasizes the importance of social bonds for pets, likening dogs to "pack creatures" that thrive on companionship.
Jennifer:
"Research from Arizona State University found that a dog's social support network significantly influences its health outcomes... Dogs that have friends live longer."
(26:14)
Angie:
"It makes perfect sense. They're pack creatures."
(27:27)
This discussion not only informs but also underscores the hosts' advocacy for pet well-being.
Addressing a listener named Wesley's dilemma about his best friend dating someone he despises, the hosts share personal anecdotes and offer guidance on maintaining honesty without jeopardizing the friendship.
Wesley (Caller):
"What do I do when your best friend starts dating somebody that you cannot stand... I don't want to be socially associated with them."
(30:24)
Angie:
"You have to be honest and be like, I'm not their biggest fan, but I think for the sake of your friend, you have to be courteous."
(32:51)
Jennifer recounts her and Angie's unified stance against Angie's first husband, illustrating the complexities of disliking a friend's partner.
Jennifer:
"When Pumps was married to her first husband... flowing chainsmoking and list-making about how awful he was."
(33:02)
Their reflections provide valuable insights into balancing personal feelings with friendship loyalty.
Listeners share their experiences, prompting Jennifer and Angie to respond with humor and solidarity. For example, Kirby from Oklahoma recounts how she's become more assertive thanks to the podcast, even resorting to barking at a man wearing a MAGA hat in her bar.
Kirby (Caller):
"I full on barked at him... I've become unhinged as a result of listening to your podcast."
(40:43)
Jennifer:
"So we're out here just trying to paint a picture... We're trying to use different forms of English and pronunciation, and we can call them twats."
(47:19)
These interactions highlight the podcast's influence on listeners' behavior and attitudes towards social issues.
As the episode nears its end, Jennifer and Angie promote their sister podcast, I Hip News, encouraging listeners to stay informed and engaged with current events through short, humorous episodes.
Jennifer:
"It is important to stay engaged. So make sure you subscribe to that podcast."
(53:13)
They conclude with their signature banter, reinforcing their commitment to addressing and voicing everyday frustrations.
Jennifer on Losing Kitsky:
"When you have a pet for a long time and they're just kind of always there in your house... it's really sad when they're gone."
(00:08)
Angie on Her Cold:
"It tastes like the biggest dog on the planet has come and taken a big steaming dump in my mouth."
(03:28)
Jennifer on Arena Lids:
"There is zero reason for this... lawsuits are going to be far, far worse."
(02:39)
Angie on Removing Lids:
"Why are you taking the lid off the water but allowing the lid on the soft drinks? It makes no sense."
(08:44)
Listener Review Highlight:
"No one is safe from the verbal lashings... exactly what I'm thinking before I even knew it."
(12:43)
Angie on Best Friend's Relationship:
"You have to be honest... I think for the sake of your friend, you have to be courteous."
(32:51)
Caller's Story on MAGA Hat:
"I've become unhinged as a result of listening to your podcast."
(40:43)
In this episode of "I've Had It", Jennifer Welch and Angie "Pumps" Sullivan deliver a compelling mix of personal anecdotes, listener interactions, and social commentaries, all infused with their trademark humor and candidness. From mourning a beloved pet to critiquing arena policies and navigating complex friendships, the hosts offer a relatable and entertaining exploration of everyday frustrations. Their engagement with listeners and promotion of related content further solidify the podcast's role as a supportive community space for voicing and alleviating shared grievances.
This summary captures the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions and insights while reflecting the hosts' comedic and candid style.