No Country for MAGA Men

Summary

I've Had It – "No Country for MAGA Men" (January 8, 2026)

Main Theme Overview

In this high-energy episode, hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie "Pumps" Sullivan dive into the state of American politics under the Trump administration, focusing on the erosion of checks and balances, the complicity of evangelical voters, and frustrations with both the Republican and Democratic parties. They blend blistering criticism, personal grievances, and pop culture commentary with their trademark humor and candor. Special guest Wajahat Ali joins to discuss political cowardice, the failures of institutional leadership, and the urgent need for political reform and vigilant civic engagement.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Collapse of Checks and Balances in American Government

• Angie expresses deep frustration with the Supreme Court and Congress for failing to serve as effective checks on the executive branch.
  • "I've had it with Donald Trump getting away with crimes one right after the other...Mike Johnson has no balls, because he's a coward. And they do it because all these people are more scared of Trump than their constituents." (00:35)
• Angie criticizes the "worthless six" on the Supreme Court, arguing they’ve enabled authoritarianism.
  • "...you can do whatever the fuck you want because we would rather have a monarch and an authoritarian in government than we would any other. Rule of the people, by the people, for the people."

2. The MAGA Base and Evangelicals' Deep Complicity

• Jennifer calls out the hypocrisy of evangelical voters:
  • "Trump has exposed the white mega church evangelical voter for the absolute hypocrites they are...They voted for an evil villain...It's exhausting being an American." (01:49)
• The women encourage listeners to shift from mere outrage to proactive community organizing—getting out the vote, especially in face of gerrymandering and attempted voter suppression.
  • "Get the people that you think would never vote, don't care, go talk to them, talk to your MAGA relatives about the moral depravity and the cruelty coming from this administration." (03:22)

3. The Importance of Overwhelming Election Turnout

• Hosts emphasize the need for a "blue tsunami" in midterm elections—so large it overcomes gerrymandering and vote certification games.
  • "The turnout for the midterms has to be so large that all of the cheating...that we deliver such a repudiation. I am talking a blue tsunami...the likes of which the world has never seen." (02:46)
• Angie describes personal attempts—and emotional toll—of engaging triple-Trumpers, acknowledging "more disappointment and hurt than success" but still feeling better for trying. (05:44)

4. Shifting to Lighter Grievances: Phones at the Gym

• Jennifer and Angie vent about gym-goers monopolizing equipment while scrolling on their phones.
  • "I've had it with people on their cell phones in the gym...just scrolling Instagram...Have one place where you just disconnect." (06:44)
  • Angie's colorful commentary: "It was so distracting...I've heard your side of the conversation. There's nothing you said that couldn't have waited 30 minutes." (08:19)

5. Listener Reviews with Political Edge

• Kylie reads two five-star listener reviews—one from a self-described "MAGAstarter pack" firefighter who covertly resists MAGA at work, another praising the hosts’ fearless critique of right-wing corruption. (10:35-12:55)

6. The Trump Presidency’s Lasting Brand Damage

• Jennifer reflects on the cultural damage and international embarrassment:
  • "The brand damage of the United States...there’s something deeper broken with America and it’s the culture." (13:56)
  • Discusses complicity and silence as America’s most insidious form of racism.

7. Artificial Intelligence & Social Disconnection

• Kylie presents a news story: New York City’s Eva Cafe pop-up where people go on ‘dates’ with AI chatbots.
  • Jennifer: "It's entering at a time where we're already lonely from our smartphones and social media...our species, we need to feel connected." (16:34)

8. Gen Z’s ‘Swag Gap’ in Relationships

• Amusing cultural critique: Gen Z daters reportedly consider mismatched fashion sense a deal breaker.
  • Jennifer confesses shallow priorities: "I’m very superficial...why do I have to be with this guy that can’t dress well?" (17:56)
  • Angie and Jennifer agree this “swag gap” is not unique to Gen Z.

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Guest Interview: Wajahat Ali

Segment Begins: 24:06

1. Surprising Audience Demographics & Cross-Cultural Appeal

• Wajahat shares that white women over 50 are his biggest unexpected fans. "You fight for the right fight...you will attract not just an audience domestically...but all around the world." (26:57)
• Angie highlights the international “how did this happen again?” sentiment, especially from Canadians stunned by Trump's continued impact. (27:13)

2. Trump’s Brand of Destruction and Corruption

• Wajahat: "Trump is...gifted in this remarkable ability to destroy things you didn’t think could be destroyed...He was gifted over $400 million from his corrupt father. Squandered it. You know how, like, it requires talent...Trump found a way." (28:05)
• Angie: "The house always wins. Unless it’s Trump." (29:13)
• Both lampoon Trump’s taste—likening his style to “Timu Reno” and "cheap Vegas." (29:54)

3. Endemic Corruption and Lack of Accountability Across Both Parties

• Angie vents about Democratic leadership’s reluctance to fight hard, echoing her earlier criticism of Republicans.
  • "Where is their strong opposition? Where are they beating the drum all day, every day about the corruption?" (33:06)
• Wajahat’s “three litmus tests” for worthiness to lead the Democratic Party:
  1. Still “sucking at the teat” of billionaires?
  2. Excusing/supporting genocide or uncritical support of Israel?
  3. Willingness to throw marginalized groups under the bus for political gain.
  • "All we have is the Democrats, so we need them to fight the Republicans. But I believe we deserve a better Democratic Party." (37:13)

4. The Blueprint for Real Leadership and Reformation

• Extended discussion on Zoran Mamdani’s upset win over Democratic establishment billionaires as a model for future candidates.
  • "They spent millions of dollars...against Mamdani...But he stayed on message: affordability, don’t throw anyone under the bus...I'm against the genocide. I am Muslim, I am brown-skinned. I am an immigrant...wins historic race." (39:50)

5. Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, Gavin Newsom and the Failure to Address Systemic Challenges

• Gavin Newsom’s record scrutinized: praised as a “slick” and “magnetic” politician by Angie, but Wajahat remains dubious, noting Newsom’s swift political pivots and resistance to taxing the wealthy. (43:53)

6. Realism Versus Hope: Reforming the Democratic Party

• Wajahat expresses cynicism toward the entrenched establishment:
  • "If it means reforming or burning down the house, they will choose to burn it down...It’s a big club, and you ain’t in it." (45:55)
• Angie emphasizes robust primaries, new blood, and listening to the grassroots.

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"Had It or Hit It?" Lightning Round

Segment Begins: 51:57

• Marjorie Taylor Greene’s “transformation”:
  • Wajahat: "I have had it. Absolute BS...She is trash...a snake. Please be careful. Don’t fall for this." (52:12)
• Lactaid pills:
  • Wajahat: "Hit it. Top 10 greatest creations....It's either me having all these everywhere, or a bloated, farting husband. Choose." (53:13)
• Tucker Carlson:
  • Wajahat: "Had it. Tucker Carlson...is America First. He is a racist...moving further to the left on Democrats on two issues. Israel and the elite..." (54:27)
• Usage of 'remigrate' in DHS communications:
  • Wajahat: "It's a Nazi term. It means ethnic cleansing. That means removing all people of color...from Europe and America. Three times they've tweeted it." (56:07)
• The Arc de Trump:
  • Wajahat: "Had it. Just trash...Can't this guy just retire and play golf and sleep with his mini stroke mouth?...Just stop being a festering wound and just die with grace, you know, die honorably. But he can't even do that." (56:28)
• CBS News post-Paramount acquisition:
  • Wajahat: "I've had it with CBS News...Larry Ellison, the largest private donor to Israel...Huge Trump supporter. His Nepo baby gobbles up Paramount. Overpays Barry Weiss, $150 million...You and I are old enough...that CBS actually had quality journalists. The home of Cronkite, Murrow. And just like that, destroyed it." (57:24)
• The United States of America:
  • Wajahat: "Ooh. Had it and hit it. I have to love a country that doesn’t love me back...Hope, in my opinion, is an action. It's a verb...We have to do our best to stretch this country and expand it and make it live up to its proposed vision that it sells to the rest of the world." (58:12, 58:25)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Evangelicals and Trump:
  • Jennifer: "Finally, we have exposed...the white mega church evangelical voter for the absolute hypocrites they are." (01:49)
• On organizing for the election:
  • Jennifer: "None of these people are jack shit without our money or our vote." (03:22)
• On Democratic party failure:
  • Angie: "If we don't have leadership that is willing to stand up on every issue, every day, all day long, then why are you in leadership?" (33:06)
• On cultural rot:
  • Jennifer: "It’s the culture that embraced this man after they witnessed what happened on January 6 and allowed themselves to vote for it anyway and the collapse that they personally have experienced." (13:56)
• On hope and activism:
  • Wajahat: "Hope...is an action. It's a verb...We have to do our best to stretch this country and expand it and make it live up to its proposed vision that it sells to the rest of the world." (58:12)

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Notable Timed Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:35 | Angie’s "I've had it" with government failures and the Supreme Court | | 01:49 | Jennifer on evangelical hypocrisy and voter organizing | | 05:44 | Angie discusses engaging with staunch MAGA relatives | | 06:44 | Gym phone grievances | | 10:35 | Listener review on the "MAGAstarter pack" husband | | 13:56 | Jennifer on cultural and brand damage to America | | 24:06 | Guest segment: Wajahat Ali introduction and audience surprises | | 28:05 | Trump’s "gift" for destruction (Wajahat Ali) | | 32:46 | Discussion on Democratic leadership’s failings | | 37:13 | Wajahat’s three litmus tests for Democratic leadership | | 39:50 | Blueprint for insurgent, people-powered candidates (Zoran Mamdani example) | | 51:57 | "Had it or Hit It?" segment | | 58:12 | Wajahat’s nuanced love/hate for America and call for activist hope |

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Tone, Style, & Closing

Jennifer, Angie, and their guest blend outrage, biting humor, personal anecdotes, and pop-culture references. They are unfiltered, supportive of grassroots organizing, and critical of all sides—while sincerely optimistic that everyday activism can still create change.

Closing Notable Moment:
Wajahat praises producer Kylie’s style and friendliness, humorously asking to be her friend, underlining the show’s warmth and community feel. (60:30)

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Summary Useful For:
Anyone seeking a candid, comedic, yet deeply engaged analysis of the current American political crisis, the structural failures of both parties, the importance of activism, and moments of levity amid warning signs for American democracy.

Transcript

[Jennifer]

So are we supposed to start the podcast?

[Angie]

Ready, 1, 2, 3.

[Jennifer]

Patriots, gay trots, Theatriots, Black Trio, Brown Trio and the Maga Triple Trumpers can do what pumps off. Welcome to America's Top DEI podcast. Hard hitting critique of fascism and just the complete douchebaggery. And coming out of this administration pumps. What have you had it with?

[Angie]

Well, that is a perfect segue into my. I've had it. What I have had it with is the supreme court and the U.S. senate and U.S. house of Representative completely abandoned their duty as a checks and balances to the executive branch. I've had it with Donald Trump getting away with crimes one right after the other. I've had it with the callousness with which they treat people and sending masks in to cities. I have had it the way they demean migrants. I've had it from top to bottom for them getting away with all this. And they do it because Mike Johnson has no balls, because he's a coward. And they do it because all these people are more scared of Trump than their constituents. And I had it with the worthless six on the Supreme Court that have said you can do whatever the fuck you want because we would rather have a monarch and an authoritarian in government than we would any other. Rule of the people, by the people, for the people. I had it up to my eyeballs.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, it's really gut wrenching when you see so many people collapse. I understand a crazy person. I understand a morally corrupt person. We've been around, you know, in an individual with character flaws, everybody has. Nobody's exempt from that. But the people surrounding him, and more importantly, the 80%, over 80% evangelical Christians that voted for this man. I do think we have to look at making some lemonade out of this. And finally, we have exposed, not we, Trump has exposed the white mega church evangelical voter for the absolute hypocrites that they are. They, you know, stand on their Bible and claim the moral high ground and say, we are the family values voter, we're values voters, we're pro life. And it's all they voted for. An evil villain who's not even that cool, who's not even that great, who each day outdoes himself and his staff outdoes themselves on how corrupt and lawless and brazen they can be. It's exhausting being an American. But we have to be prescriptive in a, in a sense as well, and prescribe for our listeners and the American public at large. There is a choice here and what we all have to do is we can browbeat these MAGA triple Trumpers forever. And we've done a great job with that on this podcast. We have been united in that. We have really let them have it. But at times I think we need to shift gears and start talking about as a community. We're all on here, we're listening, we're commenting on the YouTube, YouTube section. What we need to start doing are having conversations about making sure that everyone we know is registered because they are going to gerrymander the. Out of all of these states, the turnout for the midterms has to be so large that all of the cheating that they attempt and all of the assist that they receive from the Supreme Court that we deliver such a repudiation. I am talking a blue tsunami, to quote the convicted felon president, the likes of which the world has never seen. And we have agency, we have autonomy and we have power. None of these people are jack shit without our money or our vote. And from now until next November, we're going to see, I think, an escalation and fuckery and escalation, an escalation in corruption, corruption and escalation in assists from the Supreme Court. But we must not be deterred. We have survived almost a year now. We've done it. We're battle tested, guys. We are battle tested. We have to, with everything in us, understand that. You have to get the people that you think would never vote, don't care, go talk to them, talk to your MAGA relatives about the moral depravity and the cruelty coming from this administration. Our children's lives and the trajectory of our country and many people's just lives and ability, ability to access cancer treatment depend on us delivering a mandate to the Democrats in this upcoming November. It is, it is a do or die situation. Either we're going to win or the little twerps that are worshiping this frail old queen, bitter, mean, sociopathic old queen in the White House are going to win. And we have survived it this far. We're battle tested, guys. We can get through this.

[Angie]

You're absolutely right on that. When I think about the midterms, they're going to pull every trick in the books, whether it's, you know, armed people in the city, in the cities where, you know, blue cities, you know, the gerrymandering, the screwing with people. We're not going to, you know, certify the vote because we're Trumpers. We've got to make it where it doesn't matter because it's such a huge overwhelming majority And I'm with you. We have got to start going into these people. And I have started talking to people that I know are triple trumpers. I haven't gotten very far. I have been more disappointed and hurt than I have succeeded. But I feel better knowing that I went and I tried, I did my best pumps. It's hard, but I mean, it's hard when they look at you and they're just like. So it's really unnerving, but it's just. I feel better after doing it, even with a bad result.

[Jennifer]

All right, so here's my grievance. And it doesn't have anything to do with Trump. It's just something that drives me crazy. I've had it with people on their cell phones in the gym.

[Angie]

I've one. Same, same.

[Jennifer]

Get off your cell phones in the gym. So I'll want to go to an exercise machine and somebody's on it and they're like maybe doing three sets on a machine. And in between sets, you know, you probably rest like what, 25, 30 seconds. Well, I've got some. That is on the machine and then is down an algorithm and we're talking like a five minute break. And I'm sitting there waiting while they're just scrolling Instagra, Instagram. And I just think people need to get off of their phones in the gym. Get off your phones, have one place where you just disconnect. I do not take my phone. I leave it in the locker room at the gym because I just have one place that I do not have to deal with a phone, a text, an alert of Trump saying crazy, you know.

[Angie]

No, I completely agree with that. Because here's the thing. Time at the gym is limited. You know, you only have a certain amount of time in your day that you can devote to it. So if you're waiting for some Yahoo to, you know, scroll through Instagram, here's another. This just is another little nuance factor on this. This happened to me yesterday at the gym. There's this girl, we're both doing free weights, right? And she has her.

[Jennifer]

You're doing a little free.

[Wajahat Ali]

Right?

[Angie]

Little free weights. Before I met my trainer.

[Jennifer]

Thanks for that description. I love that.

[Angie]

Yeah. And I was doing we must, we must, we must, we must our best. But so this woman is talking on the phone, like having a full blown conversation at the gym. And it was so distracting and I just wanted to walk up to her and wanted to say, I've heard your side of the conversation. There's nothing you said that couldn't have waited 30 minutes until you got done. It was not interesting. You are not funny. It is not cute. You're not doling out good advice. This is a filler. So go sit your fat ass. Which her ass was small. I use that as just a general topic for people that bug me. Go sit in your car and do it. But don't pretend you're at the gym distracting other people. You're not that important. You're not so valuable in this conversation. It couldn't wait half an hour. I feel the same way about people that get on the telephone before, after the plane's landed, they get service. You're texting to, you know, the off ramp, what do they call it? The gate, whatever. Jet bridge. You're going to the jet bridge and people have to talk on the phone. I'm like, you're not so important that you have to talk immediately when the plane lands. Nobody missed you that bad. Like everything can wait 10 minutes. The entitlement. I've done it with Emily and I said I can't talk anymore and hang.

[Jennifer]

Out every time I'm on a plane with with you. Right when we land, you're on the phone with your kids immediately.

[Angie]

No Emily calls and I'll say, I'll call you back. I don't like sit and talk about oh my God, did you go to the store today? What'd you get? Do you like yogurt? I mean these people have nothing to say.

[Jennifer]

I like that you a little nuance in your your grievances here that you fat shame, skinny people.

[Angie]

Yes, absolutely. It's just a general descriptor. I think it just rolls off the tongue like get your fat ass over here. It doesn' if you're a size zero. It's just a kind. It's kind of one of my favorite things to say about people.

[Jennifer]

Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer.

[Angie]

I'm Angie. Meemaw Meat. Curtains blast from the past right there.

[Jennifer]

Do you want to introduce our fat ass producer?

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Angie]

And here's our 6 foot tall weighs 120 pound fat ass producer, Kylie.

[Kylie]

Okay, I've got two reviews for you. This one is a five star titled Maga starter pack and tired and wired fed right in the least shocking news of the day. As a 40 year old born and bred Democrat millennial woman, I love your podcast. What actually may come as a shock is my F150 driving 6 foot 235 pound firefighter husband also listening and loving every minute of it, which is saying a lot. He's got the whole MAGA starter pack, mustache, truck, tight jorts, protein goals, and a job that requires him to be a hero. But in reality, he's more of a secret agent for the resistance. His mission, you might ask. When he's not downing black coffee or fighting fires and saving lives, he's spending all day trolling his clueless co workers with a barrage of anti MAGA Instagram posts, then sneakily changing the channel from Fox News when no one is looking. He's basically a walking, talking, firefighting feminist who's had it with his union brothers and sisters, so clearly voting against their own interests in the name of racism and misogyny. Keep it up. You're bringing joy to this family.

[Angie]

I love that. I love that. And I love the MAGA starter pack because there was this car. I do this all the time. It like, it was a big oversized truck. It's revving its engine, just look like a dip. And I immediately was like, of course he's maga, naturally. And who knows if he was, because you can never judge a book by its cover. I love that.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, that's great.

[Kylie]

I.

[Jennifer]

Go ahead, Kylie.

[Kylie]

I was gonna say sometimes you can judge a book by its cover, though.

[Angie]

Sometimes you can.

[Kylie]

I'm spotting the MAGA person out in public.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Jennifer]

Yeah.

[Angie]

At least I think I am.

[Kylie]

Okay. The other one is five stars, titled Two Incredible Female Voices and Shenanigans writes, thank you for standing up to these MAGA ass hats and conservative Christian crybabies who need to be voted out immediately. These two women are the only voices out there speaking the truth about the corruption on the right. They refuse to tiptoe around Republican talking points and instead tell the truth about how MAGA operates on fear and deliberate misinformation. I love your wit, your levity, your jabs. Only stupid people would hate this podcast.

[Jennifer]

Bravo.

[Kylie]

A plus plus plus plus. Please run for office. You'll have my vote.

[Jennifer]

That's so nice. That's the. This is the problem of the post Trump presidency is now everybody's like, run for office. And we're so unqualified to be in public office. But that's the Trump effect where because the biggest dip on the planet and then you have like the Marjorie Taylor Greens and a bunch of other, you know, dip shits that are now in public office, then like everybody should be in public office. We really need to have like, really like policy wonk, really smart people in public office because look at the devastating effect of having disqualified morons in positions of power in just 11 months. The horrific, or yeah, 11 months horrific dismantling of all of these institutions. And I just. The, the brand damage of the United States.

[Kylie]

It's.

[Jennifer]

The next election doesn't fix this. Blue tsunami doesn't fix this.

[Angie]

It's.

[Jennifer]

It's a very long term. Because there's something deeper broken with America and it's the culture. It's the culture that embraced this man after they witnessed what happened on January 6 and allowed themselves to vote for it anyway and the collapse that they personally have experienced. And then furthermore, the people surrounding these MAGA people that don't call out their racism, that don't call out their homophobia, that silence is so insidious in the face of bigotry. And America has been such a racist country and we've overcome so much of it. But the most insidious form of racism to me is the silent complicity. The people who allow it, who enable it, who don't call it out. It's really become problematic. And now all these racists are so emboldened and it's, it's devastating.

[Angie]

Yeah, they're like, we love Trump because now we can say the most hateful, cruelest thing in the world and we have these people that'll be like, oh, yeah, you got that right. I mean, it's bananas when you get on like a Twitter something and somebody posts something super racist. The, the double down of other people that I would think used to at least try to hide it. It's pretty unbelievable.

[Jennifer]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

Okay, I've got a couple news stories for you. This one scared the out of me and I think we're gonna see a lot more of this in this next year. 20, 20, 26, as Pump says. And it says you can now reserve a table for yourself and your imaginary girlfriend. Eva AI is opening a pop up this December where tables are built for one human, one phone and romantic night with your chatbot. And so if you're listening, this is a photo and you see like an iPad sitting across from you at a table that you've reserved with an AI girlfriend across from it. And it says Eva AI. One of the biggest AI relationship apps is launching Eva Cafe in New York City as a real world extension of its AI girlfriend and boyfriend platform. Guests book a table for one, sit in front of the built in phone, stand at eye level and talk to their AI in a dim minimalist space that looks more like a boutique wine bar than a text on. It's meant to turn late night chats with an AI companion into a Real date.

[Angie]

Wow. That's kind of scares me. This whole AI thing scares me.

[Jennifer]

Yeah, it's so, you know, it's entering at the time where we're already lonely from our smartphones and social media and our devices, and we've already disconnected from one another. So there's this longing for connectivity, particularly with young people, older people, and so finding relationships with something that doesn't exist. Because our species, we need to feel connected, we need to feel togetherness. And so it's really the, the trajectory of social media now to AI and then like, what's next? What's the next phase of this? It's really, really alarming, which is why I think we should put our cell phones down at a bare minimum when we're at the gym.

[Angie]

Bare minimum.

[Kylie]

And the last news story I've got is about real human relationship. Gen Z daters say the swag gap is becoming a real relationship deal breaker. And I'm going to sum it up. It's if two people in a couple have very different levels of style. Like, if one person is very stylish and the other person has bad style, this is becoming a huge reason for Gen Z people to break up.

[Jennifer]

Mismatched style.

[Kylie]

Mismatched style. So a swag gap instead of an age gap.

[Jennifer]

Okay. I mean, I have to say that, like, I'm very into clothes. I'm very superficial and shallow about aesthetic things. And I. I can see this. Like, if I was with a person and I felt like they were a really bad dresser and they didn't try to improve against suggestions. I mean, there's a lot of people in the world. Do you really have to be with, like, the worst dresser if that's important to you? Or for some people that are deeper, better human beings than I am, of course they'd be like, oh, it doesn't matter. I love this person so much, unconditionally. I don't care how they dress. But that's a much better person than what you're listening to right now, Listener. For me, I can see like, okay, there's billions of people in the world. Why do I have to be with this guy that can't dress well? I mean, that's kind of the way I would look at it. Yeah.

[Angie]

My guess would be, like, if you've tried to say, hey, you know, if you're in a really strong relationship, you're like, hey, let me help you dress and stuff. And that's either rebuffed or you don't feel comfortable enough saying it, that the swag thing is a big enough deal. I'm with you. Go find another fish.

[Jennifer]

And I don't think this is new. I think this is a new thing. I think that men have always been particularly. There's the way a woman dresses, that is the type of woman they would sleep with. And then there's the way a woman would dress, would be the type of woman that they would take home to their parents. Very sexist thinking. But that's always kind of existed. There's been some sort of swag factor. And I think women, you know, have always, at least the women I know have always tried to improve their straight boyfriends fashion sense and get them to dress better. I don't think this is unique to Gen Z. I think, I don't think this is new.

[Angie]

No, I agree. I think it's been going on for a long time.

[Jennifer]

A Christmas miracle has taken place. So we decided to go do a live show in Atlanta on January 31st. And we were for sure like the ticket sales are going to be lackluster. Nobody's going to become. I'll be damned if it didn't sell out in like a couple of days. So the organizer was like, you should do another day. And I'm like, that's a pretty big, pretty big ass. Pretty big ass for two old broads like us, right? So we added an additional day. Ticket sales were getting about close to halfway. February 1st, center stage in Atlanta. And it is also a matinee because we are going to normalize matinees. We are going to normalize a reasonable start time. We're not going to start a show.

[Angie]

At 8 or 9pm no, it's bedtime.

[Jennifer]

Wake up the next day feeling hungover, strung out. Why did I hang out with all of these radical leftists, anti fascists. We're not going to do that because we're pro matinee, we're pro democracy, we're anti maga and we're anti fascist.

[Angie]

Come see us. It's going to be so fun. I love getting together at a live show with all the people. It's such a community.

[Jennifer]

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[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

Hey.

[Kylie]

Hey.

[Wajahat Ali]

How's it going?

[Angie]

It's great.

[Wajahat Ali]

I am honored to be here on Ihip. My Pakistani American father, who came here in 1966, so finally thrilled that I am on this show because he's a big fan. So, you know, being an attorney, being on tv, being on cnn, eh? But now that I'm on Ihip, I've made it. And so thank you for redeeming my, my, my honor, the fact that I didn't become a doctor. Now, now I've made it.

[Angie]

Finally. The disappointment over your failures in life have all been overcome. You're now the son he always wanted, dear.

[Wajahat Ali]

And I'm the only child, too. Which makes it even worse than.

[Angie]

Like.

[Wajahat Ali]

They have no options. They have no options, Angie. Like, I'm the only one. And now, like, all right. But no, they're huge fans, so they wanted. I want, on their behalf, I wanted to say that you have two senior Pakistani, Muslim, immigrant, American parents who love you and Jen.

[Angie]

I love hearing that. You know, it's so funny. And you probably get this with all of your work that you find people that support you that you would never think would be in your even realm. You know, we were so shocked when we went to our first live show and there were like 17, 18, 19 year olds. And then we also had, like, women old, even older than us. And it's like, I guess when you have convictions and you're willing to talk about it, people gravitate towards that. Because I, at the end of the day, I think we're probably more alike than we are different. I mean, obviously there's some of us that we're never going to be like, but there's more commonality than we actually think, particularly now.

[Wajahat Ali]

Yeah. And you know, I'm always. People always say, oh, you speak out against white supremacy. White people must hate you. And I'm like, there's this demographic which I do not understand. I told my wife, white women above the age of 50, God bless them, they're the one female demographic that says, wajahad, he's handsome. And I tell my wife, I said, sarah, these women, they're wise. They know. So, you know, you always, like, are surprised that, you know, the, the one demographic that, like, you were like, oh, do you really like me? And they're like, yeah. And so, like, you know, white women in particular, you know, especially I've seen in the last couple of months, seniors, those who are elders, those who are middle aged, they really, like, glom onto what I'm saying. Even though I'm the son of, you know, Pakistani immigrants.

[Angie]

Right.

[Wajahat Ali]

I'm a man, 45 years old, drive my Honda Odyssey minivan. And so many of them say, you know, I fought, I protested, I marched. And what you're saying, I just want you to know, and they all. The reason why I know this, Angie, is they say, I am a white woman, and I want to let you know that I'm with you. So I'm always. I always sit there and go, who? Like, wow, who would have thought, right? Like, the demographics that you hit? And I think you're right. Like, if you speak authentically, we try to be authentic, honest, real sincere.

[Kylie]

You.

[Wajahat Ali]

You fight for the. The right fight, the good fight, the decent fight, and you speak out against the hate mongers, you will attract not just an audience domestically that you. You never thought you'd hit that demographic. But I'm sure you and Jen realize you got people from all around the world.

[Angie]

Yeah, yeah. And they cannot believe. I mean, honestly, when you hear from listeners from Europe and Australia and Canada, it is. They are like, how did this happen to y'? All again? Like, why are you so broken that Trump came back? You know, when you have somebody attacking Canadians who are the absolute most non controversial, they're kind, they like everybody, they don't say anything bad about people, and they're just like, what's going on down there? It's when you can alienate a whole country like Canada, who's been your longest serving ally, you are really screwed. Like, you are screwed as the leader of the free world. You have fucked up when you've pissed off Canada in Greenland, of all places.

[Wajahat Ali]

Yeah. Trump is, I think, just gifted in this way. He's very talented in this remarkable ability to destroy things that you didn't think could be destroyed. You know, long standing alliances with Canada, I'm gonna mess that up. I'm gonna declare, you know, call them the 51st state, Denmark. Denmark's like, why am I catching strays? They're like, no, I'm gonna take Greenland. You know, going. Just taking it. Each time he's given an economy that Democrats have tried to rehabilitate. After he's. After that, he goes, give me one year. I'll f it up. Just give me one year. And this is a man who attracts this destructive type of gluttonous appetite of this man, this black hole that's in his soul, right? He was gifted, Angie. Over $400 million from his corrupt father. Squandered it. You know how, like, it requires talent, angie, to squander $400 million. Trump found a way, you know, fails up in life. Given multiple lifelines. Nope. Bankrupt casinos, plural. Right?

[Angie]

Which is amazing. It's just unbelievable, the talent you have to possess to bankrupt a casino.

[Wajahat Ali]

It's the house always wins. Unless it's Trump. Trump.

[Angie]

Unless it's Trump. And then the house doesn't win. It's great. And then what drives me crazy is when I hear people say, well, you know, he was a great businessman. I'm like, on fucking tv, they couldn't even use his office. It was such a fucking dump.

[Wajahat Ali]

That's right.

[Angie]

Such a dump. They had to film elsewhere. It was all bravado and bullshit. And now I believe that because I look at the Oval Office, that it's turned into this just knickknack chotchki, like, undign. And I'm like, the thing about Trump is he thinks he has good taste, and he doesn't. He has terrible taste.

[Wajahat Ali]

It's like when the world's tackiest and trashiest people get money. And you're like, oh, that's not just new money. That's trashy new money. And they're like, you know, we're gonna have mayo sandwiches, and then we're gonna have neon disco lights. You're like, yeah, or maybe you could have, I don't know, a lawn with, like, tulips. They're like, nah, tulips are gay. We're gonna have, like, disco balls. We're gonna have UFC fights on the lawn. This is. This is wealth. And, like, he's that guy. He's like a vulgarian, an uncouth vulgarian. Like, I always think about this. God gives the wrong people money all the time, right? Like, why can't, like, good, decent people with good taste get the money? Can you imagine, like, the White House to be. Instead of, like, this $300 million ballroom slash bunker? I don't know, maybe a wing for visitors and diplomats and children in a garden. Something beautiful, right? Maybe you bring in some elegant designers and architects. No, not Donald Trump. He wants to make everything shiny and big, like Mar A Lago, right? It's all. It's interesting that you said this. It's all performative. It's all sheen and exterior because the inside is Hollow. And in the case of Donald Trump, even the outside, it's so gaudy. It's like cheap Vegas. It's like, it's like Timu Reno.

[Angie]

Yes.

[Wajahat Ali]

No disrespect to Reno or Timo Vegas.

[Angie]

And here's the deal. He bankrupted casinos. I believe that he is looting. I mean, this is just my opinion, but based on his history, my guess is that when he, if we ever see the end of the Donald Trump presidency, this administration will have squandered, embezzled, and left the treasury at the lowest point. And I do not believe for a minute that all these tariffs are going into, you know, funds for the US Citizen. I think they're going to his pocket, his friend's pockets. I mean, that's my opinion. But it is based on his history and how he has done business his entire life.

[Wajahat Ali]

I, I don't think it's even your opinion, Angie, if you just look right, December, Donald Trump, in less than a year, him and his Tweedledee and Tweedledum children have made, made over $5 billion in the past year through crypto. He's passed the pro crypto legislation that helps him and his family. And he pardoned his business partner, his crypto business partner, cz, who literally was serving time for admitting to committing money laundering. And then he was asked, well, who cz? I don't know who CZ is. What? Huh? I don't know. So either he has dementia or he's lying. And I think you're absolutely right. Once it's all said and done, if, if there's accountability, I think the criminality is going to be, you have to follow the money for the criminality. Right. Jared Kushner, $2 billion from Saudi. Steven Witkoff and his father, $1.5 billion. Right. All these people who've made money. Remember when he was bragging while the stocks went down, he's like, well, he bought the dip. Charles Schwab made money. That person made money. All the people who are giving him money for his ballroom. Right. Like all these obscene ethical violations. And you and me are old enough to remember that Jimmy Carter had to sell his peanut farm.

[Jennifer]

Yes.

[Angie]

And here's. Here's the thing. What might makes me so crazy about that is I expect now the Republicans. My hat it to start this episode was I've just had it with how the other two branches of government have just capitulated and they have not been a checks and balances. But I see this as. So of course, the Republicans, I mean, Mike Johnson has no no balls at all. He can't even disagree with him. But it's the Democrats. Like, where is their strong opposition? Where are they beating the drum all day, every day about the corruption? And I know they fled the zone. There's a million things they could be talking about. I get that. But if we. If we don't have leadership that is willing to stand up on every issue, every day, all day long, then why are you in leadership? I need you to. I need you to sit down and shut up and let somebody that will fight get up to the front.

[Wajahat Ali]

Angie, I am writing a strongly worded letter. I am writing a strongly worded letter, Angie.

[Angie]

It makes me crazy.

[Wajahat Ali]

I'm so glad. See, this is why I love you and Jen, because you all call out a spade, a spade, and you also call it Democrats, which I think is very important. And I'm sure you get some pushback, like I do, from, you know, lifelong liberals and Democrats. Oh, oh, it's one big team. Vote blue, no matter who. How come, you know, you just have to criticize Trump. My entire life. My entire life, the Democratic Party has said, whoa, whoa, whoa, slow your roll. Not now. Take it easy. Let's punt it. Right. Now's not the time, and I believe now is the time. Angie, this is a generational moment because you talked. You said young people. Right. We're always shocked by our demographic who comes and talks to us. Right, Right. But young people, they've had it. They're done. They demand reform. And what we're looking at with the establishment Democrats, not all Democrats, folks. I give credit where credit's due. I'm talking about the leadership, is they want restoration where? They want to go back to the good old days. Right. They want to. Oh, they're too big to fail. Let's still suck up to the broligarchy. Oh, you know, as Gavin Newsom said, oh, it's a big club. It's a big ten. We can't tax the billionaires. Oh, let's take a photo like Chuck Schumer did with war criminal Netanyahu in the summer. Oh, let's throw everything. And the kitchen sink and a Bill Clinton at Zorn Mamdani. Oh, it's still December. Trump has embraced Mamdani before we have, because Mamdani stood on business, went against the billionaires, talked about affordability, didn't throw the woke or the immigrants under the bus and said, you know what? I'm opposed to a genocide, but I love the Jewish people. See, I think. And I shared this with you and Jen, when you were on my humble show. I believe there are three litmus tests for the Democratic Party moving forward if you really want to be the leader of the Democrats. Number one, do you still suck at the teat of the billionaires and burligarchy? Most of them still do. If you do, you're not the person. Number two, do you still make excuses for genocide or support Israel? If you do, folks, forget the base. Young people around the world ain't there with you. They ain't there. And the third one is, are you willing to sacrifice one of us to get ahead? I'm old enough to remember, Angie. A year ago, Gavin Newsom turned on a dime on his podcast. Who did he invite on his podcast? The first guest.

[Jennifer]

Herc.

[Wajahat Ali]

Second guest, Steve Bannon.

[Angie]

Oh, Steve Bannon.

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Angie]

Charlie Kirkland.

[Wajahat Ali]

Community under the bus. And Democrats voted for the Lake and Riley act through the undocumented immigrants under the bus. And all of them stayed quiet when it came to pro Palestinian activists literally being kidnapped. So that's my take. I think if you're sucking at the teat of the broligarchy, you still take photos with Netanyahu and you're willing to throw one of us under the bus, which I believe Schumer, Jeffries, and the establishment folks have. To me, we got a cull. We have to call them. Right. All we have is the Democrats, so we need them to fight the Republicans. But I believe we deserve a better Democratic Party.

[Kylie]

And I agree.

[Wajahat Ali]

There's a small window, Angie, where right now we can push, push, push and create the fighter that we deserve for this moment. That's my take. Curious what you think.

[Angie]

Okay, so Jennifer and I have had this conversation, too, and we, we, we, like you think, you have to have these honest conversation with our leaders. They're the leaders we have, so we can't hold them to an impossible L test. But I think yours is right on the money. You have to. We have to know that the same people that are electing Donald Trump are not electing our representatives, because there is no. There's no opposition to these people. And we have to say, as a party, because from what I'm seeing, the leadership is not listening. They're not listening to the party on how we feel about the genocide in Palestine. They're not listening about apac. They're not listening about corporate donations and billionaires. So we have to make them listen. And if we can't make them listen, we need robust primaries, which I keep going back to David Hogg. They put him in there in the Democratic part, Party gave him a position in the Democratic National Committee. And they were like, yes, he's, you know, we need new blood, new new things. They fired him like within two weeks because he said we need robust primaries. If you're a corporate Democrat, you're sucked up to apac. I mean, I don't know if those were his reasons. Those would have been mine. They, they fired it, they didn't want it. And that's, you know what that tells me. I look at this and I know this is just one example, but in the House Oversight Committee we had Jerry o', Connell, who has since passed, which he had cancer. And he ran and took a leadership position all while knowing he had cancer. But that's a topic for another day. Nothing was happening, nothing was getting done. You put Robert Garcia in there. This thing has been run like a well oiled machine because he's young, he's not so beholden to other people that he is making a difference. And that's the kind of candidates we need. And when I go back to the Zoron thing, I look at him and think, that's your blueprint Democrats. There it is. You don't even have to hire a consultant. You've got it. You've watched a year of it. Do I think they're going to do that? No, no, no.

[Wajahat Ali]

You know, Zoron is the one that is most recent, I think is most salient because remember they spent millions of dollars and they went to the five star hotels and were trying to figure out where is the liberal Joe Rogan. They were finding him, trying to find.

[Angie]

Yes, we got asked about it all.

[Wajahat Ali]

The time, like where's Waldo? Where, where are they? Zoran comes out of nowhere. Assemblyman, right. Ascends on this consistent message. I interviewed him, angie, about like 10 months ago when he was a distant number two. And I said, I think you have a shot. He stayed on message. He's like, win or lose, this is what I believe in, this is what I fight for. I'm gonna be consistent affordability. I'm not gonna throw anyone under the bus. I'm against the genocide. I am Muslim, I am brown skinned. I am an immigrant, right. I eat with my hands. I am a New Yorker, says all those things, wins historic race. Everyone gets a multicultural coalition to come on. Almost wins by 10 points. The Democratic establishment folks. I mean, I think this underscores what me and Andrew are saying for people who are skeptical. They brought out Clyburn, Clinton, Summers, billionaires, Bloomberg, right, Against Mamdani. And wait for it, it gets even worse. Four, Cuomo, a disgraced politician they had kicked out of the party. But they said, whoa, whoa, whoa, we would rather bring in Cuomo than actually go against the billionaires.

[Angie]

And Bibi, is that not crazy?

[Jennifer]

That.

[Angie]

That is crazy. And, you know, here's the thing. All those billionaires banded together. We're going to go after him. They spent gazillions of dollars to go against him. And they're like, we're moving out, we're moving our companies. You know what those billionaires have done since he. Do you think they've sold their companies, sold their property. They've done nothing. They're toothless. They want to be in New York City. They don't want to come to Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. They want to be where the action is. And so all of these people and Gavin Newsom, he's going to have a really hard time with his message because I think he's a great messenger. Still mad at him about the Charlie Kirk thing where he threw trans people under the bus, but he's a, you know, we have to let him evolve and atone and make amends. You know, I, I don't know.

[Wajahat Ali]

I don't, I don't think, you know, I'm from California. I was born and raised in the Bay. I followed him as my entire career. I left because I married up and my wife is better looking, smarter and a doctor. So when you're a poor writer and your better looking, smarter, more accomplished wife gets a job in D.C. you move to Virginia D.C. so I moved at 32, but I've been following his career. He was also the commencement speaker at my law school graduation at UC Davis. Right. So always been, always been slick, always been a good talker. Right. He's had the gift of the gap. But there's two of the planks that. And through all three of the planks, he's already filled. You saw how the wind, he was seeing where the wind was blowing. He goes, ah, this is the age of Rogan and anti wokeness on my podcast, let me bring on the two worst people and agree with them. So he flipped like that. So that's something for you all to notice, right? Huh? He flips real quick. Okay, number two, given the opportunity in December, in December, Angie, he was being interviewed by Aaron Sorkin. Not the West Wing writer, but the, you know, the economics reporter for New York Times openly asked him at the Dealbook Summit. Taxing the rich. Well, it's a big tent. You see all the numbers. You've seen all the polls. You see how this is such a winning message. Affordability, fight the oligarchy still isn't there. And then when you saw the short circuit of his brain, the three smooth talkers, one of them short circuited on your show. Cory Booker, Pete Buttigieg, and Gavin, when asked about Israel, remember that? He goes, yeah, he got so angry. That's angry Gavin, for those who don't know. Van Lathan asked him, and I talked to Van Lathan afterwards. Van Lathan was really sincere. He goes, you know, what about supporting apac? And Gavin said, that's interesting. I find it interesting that you're asking this. It's very interesting. And I talked to Van later, and he's like, oh, why is this interesting? Like, he was sincere. What Van didn't realize later was he was implying that by asking this question, Gavin was trying to undercut him and say, you're anti Semitic. Right? That's what was. So you saw the short circuit of the three smoothest talkers of the Democratic Party on this issue. Which is why I believe he won't change, Angie. But if he does, and he's our fighter, I'll take it. But do you trust him, Angie? Do you?

[Angie]

Okay, so first of all, I'm Pollyanna, and I really want to believe that he would listen to the base. I know that he would not. I believe. Here's. I don't know this, but I believe he did test the air after the election with Charlie Kirk and Steve Bannon. But he has been a strong advocate for all human rights, including trans rights, his entire mayoral career and on. So I. I hope that he will stick with that. I'm hoping that when he. You're looking at me like, lady, you are, too.

[Wajahat Ali]

No, no, I'm listening.

[Angie]

I can't help but believe that these very skilled, very seasoned politicians will not look at the overall Democratic wins, the big wins that we've had. And I know the two governors were, you know, more conservative, but that they will see that as far as MAGA took the Republicans, that they have to move left for their base. I mean, I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful. And here's the deal. I'm not married to Gavin Newsom, although I think he is hot, magnetic, great speaker, he's a fabulous politician, but there are other people out there that. I mean, I'm not married to him as the 2028 candidate, but those are the issues that any candidate's going to have to confront. You've got to stop letting the richest people and the richest corporations continue to not contribute you anything to the infrastructure, paying livable wages to people and then brow beating them about being poor. Like you have got to bring in the billionaires just like Zorin did. I think he did like a math problem and I can't remember what the numbers were, but it's like, okay, so this person makes a million dollars a year, so his taxes are going to increase. And the number it was like compared to the fact he's bringing home a hundred thousand, this little bitty bit's not going to make a difference. And I thought that was kind of powerful soul.

[Wajahat Ali]

So this is me being a bit. I'll be the cynic, then you be the Polly, I'll be the sinning. I want to say, inshallah, I hope you are right. Why I think unfortunately you might be off on this is is the following reason I am old enough to remember the 2008 economic crisis. All of the people who created the crisis. And it was terrible, folks. I lived through it. I was a young man. You all remember, they were too big to fail. Bail, we bail them out. Yeah, then I remember, right, the Democratic establishment, not all democrats have had 10 years. Going back to your point, to hold Donald Trump accountable, Joe Biden brings in one of his great mistakes in his presidency, Merrick Garland. Who cares more about the institutions, let's be honest, than holding Trump accountable. And I always said Trump will never see a single day in jail for all his crimes. Right? Slow walked it. Right? Then you saw the alleged centrists come in and completely neuter and destroy what was once Biden's economic agenda, then going back to Connally. I'm so glad you brought that up because I always bring up that example as to why I'm cynical. You got this moment. House Oversight Committee. Another aspect of that story for those who don't know, you know who also also threw their hat in the ring to be the head of the Oversight committee for Democrats, aoc, Nancy Pelosi. Folks, Nancy Pelosi from her hospital bed rallied the votes against AOC for Gerry Connelly, rest in peace. Who literally says, I have cancer, I'm about to turn 74. And then Debbie Dingle in her 70s says, I want to be the head of communications, you know. You know who also threw her head in the ring? Jasmine Crockett. Who? Whatever you think of her, I think she's a great, great communicator. Right? Then you saw, literally you saw the blueprint and just what, a month and a half ago, they're like like, we're gonna back Cuomo and now. And now it's December, and as of this recording, they still haven't embraced Mamnani. And then the answer is, well, why? Why, why, why? The question is, why? Why? My take on this is it's a great George Carlin quote. It's a big club, and you ain't in it. I think that at the end of the day, it's a big club. That club is the anchor of that club is money, wealth, access and privilege. And my fear. My fear, Angie, is if it means reforming or burning down the house, they will choose to burn it down. And I look at what they're doing to Mamdani, I look at the fact that Gavin was given a layup last week. Just say, I'll tax him. Didn't say it, because, you know, with Gavin and the Democrats, especially in California, from Silicon Valley, where I'm from, they are like this with Elon Musk and Peter Thiel and the Broligarchy and. And you had the Democrats right now go all in with AI, like, literally last week. Like, I'm terrified of AI. And the Democrats are like, now, now. Jeffries is like, AI is the future. And so to me, it's a big club and we ain't in it. And the Democratic establishment, yes, they're different from, you know, MAGA when it comes to all the horrible racist stuff. But when it comes to the money, when it comes to the power, I think it's ideological, I think it's personal, and I think they're not built for this moment and they're not made for this. That's why you need an outsider like Zoran who comes in, or Talarico or these other folks who are willing to say, you know what? I see where the wind is blowing. I'm with the people who are against the establishment. And these institutions are seen as architects and architectures of our oppression. We're going to change it up. And Schumer and Jeffries, they still haven't embraced Mamdani, Angie. So that's my retort.

[Jennifer]

Unbelievable.

[Angie]

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[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

Okay? So Jennifer usually asks you what you've had it with. I forgot to ask. And now we're short on time, so I'm just going to scoot to had it or hit it.

[Jennifer]

Oh my God.

[Angie]

Welcome to had it or hit it.

[Jennifer]

I would hit it. I hit it every day. Sometimes twice a day.

[Angie]

All right. Had it or hit it. Marjorie Taylor Greene's transformation.

[Wajahat Ali]

I have had it. Absolute bs. I can't believe this trashy person has been rehabilitated by corporate media. Still, folks, Jewish space lasers, you know, harassing David Hogg, going after Ilhan Omer with the MAGA hat. Voted with Donald Trump essentially all the time. Voted for the big beautiful bill. Now all of a sudden she's civil. Yeah, because he turned on you. Because his base turned on you. And she still hasn't condemned Nick Fuentes. She is trash. She's America first, folks. She is a snake. Please be careful. Don't fall for this. Sorry for that rant.

[Angie]

No, and I agree with you. And what's so going back to the Democratic Party, she is making clips and she's doing a press tour saying the stuff that Democratic leadership shit. Like, when she's the expert on the message, we got real problems. Real, real problems. Okay, next one. Had it or hit it? Lactate pills.

[Wajahat Ali]

Hit it. Lactate pills are like, hey, you know what? I didn't even plan this. This.

[Angie]

Oh, there you go.

[Wajahat Ali]

Top 10 creation. If you are a South Asian male, and perhaps I think this is where you're going to find other demographics chiming in. After the age of 40, I was warned by my father, you're going to need lactate pills. And I said, what are you talking about? Not me. I have a gut of steel. And then the universe says, no, you're South Asian. This is what will save you. So this, I think this is one of the top 10 greatest creations on Earth. I have, like, thousands of these. Like, I'm like a diabetic when it comes to lactate pills. They're in my car. They're in my backpack. They're in my pockets. My wife's like, can you just. Like, I don't have a better system. I'm like, no. It's either me having all these everywhere or a bloated, farting husband. Choose.

[Angie]

Here's the deal. I'm the exact same way with. You are with your lactate. With my chapstick, I have a Chapstick everywhere. Like, by the kitchen sink, next to my bed, next to my sink, in the bathroom, in my car, in my purse, on my desk here. I mean, like, I am always within reach of a chapstick. So I completely get that. Okay, so had it or hit it? I'm interested to hear what you have to say on this Tucker Carlson.

[Wajahat Ali]

I've had it. Tucker Carlson, much like Marjorie Taylor Greene, is a creature reinventing himself. He is America First. He is a racist. He has promoted all the horrific anti Semitic conspiracies. And going back to a really good point that you made about Marjorie Taylor Greene and a warning for Democrats. Angie, I've been saying it. They listen to you. They won't listen to me. Folks, do not underestimate Marjorie Taylor Greene. Nick Fuentes, Tucker Carlson, Candace Owens. I've been saying it for months. They're moving further to the left on Democrats on two issues. Israel and the elite. The establishment. And what they're playing for is as MAGA crumbles, they're going to reassemble MAGA as America first and bring in the independence young people and dissidents around Israel. And you think I'm being crazy? No, I don't I tell you, Angie, how many whatsapps I'm in every day, I want to bang my head against the wall. We're smart, informed people because people take their, you know, lower information voters, not stupid, but they get clips. Look at Tucker. Look what he said on Israel. I think he's changing. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Who would have thought? And we live in the United States of amnesia. And just like that, they get rehabilitated.

[Angie]

Yeah, no snakes. It's worrisome. It is worrisome that like Nick Fuentes has. We play him on here so that we're telling people like he says this and it sounds really rational, and then the next thing he says is kill everybody. But what? You know, it doesn't say kill, but like get rid of everybody.

[Wajahat Ali]

Remigrate.

[Angie]

Re migrate. Do you know that it is on the Department of Homeland Security? Remigrate the word. They've been using it over and over three times. It's unbelievable. And people are so ignorant, they don't know what that means.

[Wajahat Ali]

It's a Nazi term. It's a Nazi Nazi term. That means ethnic cleansing. That means removing all people of color and the enemies of the state from Europe and America. Three times they've tweeted it.

[Angie]

It's. And of course, you know, it's such a crazy news cycle, we can't even talk about that. Okay, two more. The Arc de Trump.

[Wajahat Ali]

Had it, you know, just trash. Like, what can we say? Vegas trash. Timu Reno trash. Like, can't this guy. Can't this guy just retire and play golf and sleep with his mini stroke mouth? And I'm not making fun of people with stroke, but it's clear. Have you seen when he sleeps?

[Angie]

Oh, yeah.

[Wajahat Ali]

His mouth droops like you're dying. You have cankles. We know. We see it, we see it, we see it. What is Jen called? McTaco tits. All the makeup in the world can't hide it. You're bloated, you're a carcass. You're a decaying carcass. Just stop. Stop being a festering wound and just die with grace, you know, die honorably. But he can't even do that.

[Angie]

He can't do that because he couldn't live honorably. That man has no, no fucking honor whatsoever. Okay, Senator, hit it. CBS News.

[Wajahat Ali]

I've had it with CBS News. The Ellison's. By the way, Larry Ellison, the largest private donor to Israel, a huge Trump supporter. Huge Netanyahu supporter. His Nepo baby. David Ellison gobbles up Paramount. Cbs. Now they want to Gobble up Warner Brothers. CNN openly saying, oh yeah, Trump, you think CNN needs to be reformed? We'll reform government. Then overpays Barry Weiss, $150 million talking about mediocrity rising to the top. And she F's up and destroys CBS in less than a month. You and I are old enough. And we're gonna be the last generation Angie that remembers that CBS actually had quality journalists. The home of Cronkite, Murrow. And just like that, destroyed it.

[Angie]

It's ruined. It's like it's turning into Fox News 2.0. Okay, last one. Had it or hit it? The United States of America.

[Wajahat Ali]

Ooh. Had it and hit it. I have to love a country that doesn't love me back. Oftentimes not always women, people of color and those who weren't seen as white because the Irish and Italians weren't seen as white.

[Angie]

Right.

[Wajahat Ali]

Have to fight for a country that doesn't fight for us. But I was born and raised here. My children are here. They're brown skinned, beautiful, have multi syllabic names. And with the time that we have left with our lives, life, you can either be apathetic and cynical with it, which I think is cheap or lazy, or you can be in the ring and hope, in my opinion, is an action. It's a verb. So even though we might get a bloody nose, we have to do our best to stretch this country and expand it and make it live up to its proposed vision that it sells to the rest of the world. So that's where I've had it, but that's where I also hit it.

[Angie]

Yeah, we've got to fight for it. It's not great, it's not perfect, but we've got to get it back. We've got to get it back. Thank you so much for coming. I have to tell you this. I've been holding onto it this whole time. You're way too cute to drive a minivan. I had a girlfriend, she was super cute. You're just too cute to drive a minivan.

[Wajahat Ali]

What should I drive instead? I got like eight suv.

[Angie]

I know you've got three kids you can tune around, but I mean, I immediately hate anyone behind a minivan because I know they're screaming at their kids, which I did in the Suburban. And my, my ex husband always wanted me to get a minivan. I was like, I'm way too fucking cute to drive a minivan. And so I'm going to give you the same thing. You're too cute for a minivan.

[Wajahat Ali]

Like I said before, we'll end it on the positive note, where we make allies, where we least expected. Women above the age of white women above the age of 50. My demographic with fantastic taste. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Can you please tell this to my wife? And she's like, yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever. But, you know, I want a new car. I bought. I bought my wife. I knew when I sold the book, we had a little bit of money. I bought my wife the nice car, and I was the one who chose to drive the minivan.

[Angie]

You know what that is? You know what they call that? An alpha male. That's what they call it. All right, thank you. Thank you so much for coming on.

[Kylie]

It's.

[Angie]

We gonna have to keep these discussions going. We've got the Pollyanna and me. Cynic.

[Wajahat Ali]

Pragmatist.

[Angie]

Pragmatist, pragmatist.

[Wajahat Ali]

Oh, my final question is, can. Are you friends with Kylie? Because I think she's, like, the coolest person. Like, her style or her. Yeah. Isn't Kylie, like, the coolest person ever?

[Angie]

Yeah, she is the coolest person ever. Nicest. She's the most competent.

[Jennifer]

She's.

[Angie]

Nothing good things can be said about.

[Wajahat Ali]

I just see your style, Kylie, and I. I said this, like, to my wife. I'm like, like. She was like, what are you talking about? She was like, there's a producer and she, like, exudes style. And I wish I was as stylish as her because I go to the mall, I start sweating profusely. You put me in front of, like, a thousand people, I'll give a speech. But you say, watch, shop and be stylish. I'll just cry. I'll suck my thumb and I cry. And that's why I want Kylie to be my friend, because she just seems, like, understated. Too cool for school, but nice and, like, with a cool style. So this was just me asking. This is me being the dorky kid at school saying, can I sit with you at lunch?

[Kylie]

100%. And I'll just say it for Angie and Jen. You can come back a few times.

[Angie]

Yes. We want to have you back more. And we've got a lot of work to do between now and the midterms. Lots of work.

[Wajahat Ali]

Thanks, all.

[Angie]

Thank you. And we will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

[Jennifer]

I'll tell you what I've had it with.

[Kylie]

Let's hear it.

[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

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[Jennifer]

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[Angie]

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[Jennifer]

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