Orange is the New Fascist

Summary

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I've Had It – Episode Summary

Episode: "Orange is the New Fascist"

Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan

Date: March 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

In "Orange is the New Fascist," Jennifer Welch, Angie "Pumps" Sullivan, and producer Kylie deliver their trademark mix of biting humor, unfiltered commentary, and personal insights as they tackle pressing news and cultural issues. This episode centers on the moral collapse of U.S. politics, the ever-broadening culture war, the perils and absurdities of modern technology, and the hosts’ personal journeys away from religious authoritarianism. The hosts create a space that marries outrage and comedy, encouraging listeners to embrace universal human rights, reject false binaries in public debate, and critically examine social structures like megachurches and tech billionaires. Both the serious and absurd are critiqued, with memorable moments of self-revelation and punchy, unapologetic opinions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Navigating the News: Moral Collapse vs. Political Debate

• Intro to News Literacy (00:00–02:27)
  • Jennifer shares her method for discerning the bias and factuality of news (using Ground News' Vantage Plan), emphasizing the importance of responsible citizenship in dark times.
  • Contrast between factuality and slant is illustrated with recent headlines on Trump’s tariffs.
• Universal Human Rights & Political Autocrats (02:27–06:36)
  • Jennifer and the guest (initially "C" – likely Kylie) vent about the current political climate, seeing a collapse less as politics and more as a fundamental moral issue.
  • C: "Anybody who is not thinking holy, the United States of America has fallen...what in the is happening?" (01:57)
  • Jennifer highlights the right to care about all forms of suffering—"You don't have to pick a side."
    • “By criticizing the IDF...doesn't make you an anti Semite. By supporting and giving empathy to the Jewish communities that want safety worldwide…you get to care about all universal human rights.” (04:20)
• The Exhaustion of Navigating Modernity
  • Both hosts reflect on how exhaustion and cognitive overload undermine people’s ability to care and act.

2. Personal Trauma, Privilege, and Growth

• Reckoning with White Privilege (06:36–07:33)
  • Angie confesses her previous apathy, crediting her privilege, and likening her awakening to a “former smoker” now disgusted by the smell:
    • “I was so narcissistic, I was so entitled, wrapped up in privilege...It's so gross.”
• Introduction of Kylie & Listener Reviews (07:39–11:37)
  • Kylie shares listener reviews, both positive and negative, showcasing the podcast’s impact and the mystery of hate-listening:
    • Notable quote: “That’s real dedication to hate that I kind of find admirable, because I don’t hate anything that much to invest that much time.” (Jennifer, 11:24)

3. The Toll of the Political Moment on Mental Health

• Political Depression (11:51–14:50)
  • Kylie highlights a news story about rising "political depression":
    • “Two-thirds of respondents in a 2024 survey said they talk about politics or elections with their therapists.” (12:10)
  • Jennifer reframes the phenomenon as a "moral collapse," critiquing political apathy:
    • “If you say you don’t watch politics, you’re telling me you’re a sociopath…What we’re watching right now is a moral collapse, absolute moral collapse.” (13:10)
  • Angie relates, self-identifying as part of that study and noting the overlap between feeling overwhelmed and helpless.

4. Technology, Incompetence, and Late-Stage Capitalism

• AI Phone Line Blunders (14:50–16:02)
  • The hosts discuss a viral blunder where Washington State’s Spanish-language helpline used an AI that spoke English in a heavy Spanish accent, much to the amusement and frustration of both hosts and TikTok commenters.
  • Jennifer: “Is that just TikTok verified or… through a news source?” Kylie: “No, that’s real. Multiple news sources, AP.” (15:37)
  • Angie: “The incompetence is just raining down from every direction, including AI.” (16:02)
• Wireless Technology Woes & Tech Billionaires (19:01–24:52)
  • Voice memo from Kevin (19:01) fuels complaints about the inconvenience of wireless headphones, rapidly changing adaptors, and tech companies’ planned obsolescence.
    • Angie: “I’m so fucking tired of the different plugins for every Apple device. Get a plug in, stick with it. I’ve fucking had it with that.” (22:21)
  • Jennifer rails against tech billionaires, particularly their perceived lack of gratitude and shifting political allegiances.
    • “These tech companies are the worst...These people are like monsters...No appreciation for the country that allowed such deregulated, unfair capitalism for them to succeed and for others to fail and suffer.” (22:21–24:28)
• AI as Utility – The Altman Rant (25:06–27:32)
  • Sam Altman’s comment that raising kids without AI is “unimaginable” is mocked by Jennifer as proof of AI leaders’ detachment:
    • “He has to consult AI as to how to raise a kid...It’s just like admitting, ‘I’m so stupid.’” (26:50)

5. The Mega-Church and Evangelical Critique

• Mega-Churches as Incubators of Hate (27:39–32:11)
  • Jennifer connects the acceptance of Trump and evangelical mega-churches, calling the latter the next Big Pharma/military industrial complex:
    • “Mega churches are the incubator of all of this hatred...These big churches are every bit as bad as Big Pharma. It’s almost the most insidious.” (31:50)
  • Angie recounts her own indoctrination and slow, painful process of deconstruction:
    • “Let’s be honest, I didn’t have the skills to critically think until well into adulthood.” (32:05)
  • Jennifer dramatizes Angie’s past mentality: “Maybe God just likes me more than he likes them.” (33:05)
  • The hosts underscore how religious authoritarianism primes people for political authoritarianism.

6. Personal Growth: Boundaries, Deconstruction & Family

• Standing Up to Family & Religious Authority (36:11–43:55)
  • They role-play a future confrontation between Angie and her mother about attending an anti-gay, pro-Trump Easter service.
    • Angie: “Thank you for the invitation, but I cannot feel good about myself if I go to a place that I know...is not for all human rights...and I cannot sit in a room of people that I know voted for Donald Trump...I can’t feel good about me if I go, so I’m not going.” (37:25)
  • Angie acknowledges her fear of her mother (and her progress from last year), describing the generational nature of denial and emotional blackmail in her family.
  • Jennifer praises Angie’s growth: “To hear you say that you’re actually going to talk the talk and walk the walk is the most growth I’ve ever seen in you.” (43:49)
• The Psychology of Megachurches
  • Conversation critiques the "brilliant grift" of duplicating a pastor on screens—“That grift is really next level.” (48:04)
  • They imagine founding their own screen-broadcast “cult” as satire.

7. Paths Forward: Support for Religious Deconstruction

• Need for Support Communities (50:20–52:13)
  • Jennifer suggests that as more people deconstruct from evangelicalism, support groups (paralleling sobriety circles) will be needed, with Angie potentially leading one.
  • Angie expresses ongoing struggle to “fight her way out of it,” illustrating how indoctrination lingers.

8. Closing Thoughts: Systemic Critique & Self-Reflection

• Summing up Experiences
  • The hosts reflect on generational differences, how critical thinking emerges, and boundary-setting with family.
  • They discuss the implicit and explicit homophobia of megachurches, noting how silence is as revealing as overt condemnation.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On universal empathy:
  Jennifer: “You get to care about all of these things. Universal human rights are the only thing that keep all of us safe, period.” (05:38)

• On former privilege:
  Angie: “I used to be the person that said if it doesn’t affect me, why do I give a shit?…I was so narcissistic, I was so entitled, wrapped up in privilege…” (06:36)

• On political disengagement:
  Jennifer: “If you say you don’t watch politics, you’re telling me you’re a sociopath…What we’re watching right now is a moral collapse.” (13:10)

• AI gone wrong:
  Kylie (reading news): “Callers…who pressed 2 for Spanish were greeted by an AI voice speaking English, but in a heavy Spanish accent. The voice would say things like, ‘Please press uno and enter the last quattro digits of your social.’” (14:50) Angie: “The incompetence is just raining down from every direction, including AI.” (16:02)

• On tech billionaires:
  Jennifer: “I would much rather hang out with a person who makes minimum wage working at 7-Eleven, twelve times out of ten, than I would any of these moronic sociopath billionaires.” (24:28)

• On mega churches:
  Jennifer: “Mega churches are every bit as bad as Big Pharma. It’s almost the most insidious.” (31:50)

• On deconstructing faith:
  Angie: “I’m so much happier. I feel so much stronger. I feel like I have a direction. I don’t feel aimless.” (35:18)

• On family and faith:
  Jennifer (role-playing Angie's mom): “Well, I voted for Donald Trump. Do you think I’m a bad person?”
  Angie: “Yes. I’ve asked you specifically about the treatment of migrants and you act like it’s fine. So I do think you have an empathy problem.” (38:01)

• On the archetype of Jesus:
  Jennifer: “If Jesus did exist, the brown Palestinian Jew Jesus would be so mortified at all of these freaks in the Bible Belt and their weird worship of him…” (41:00)

• On the grift of screen-preaching:
  Jennifer: “Think about the arrogance…He literally buys one TV screen one time, and then he just duplicates himself…it’s really aspirational grifting.” (48:04)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• News Literacy & Bias: 00:00 – 02:27
• Universal Empathy & Autocrats: 02:27 – 06:36
• White Privilege, Self-Examination: 06:36 – 07:33
• Listener Reviews & Hate-Listening: 07:39 – 11:37
• Political Depression & Therapy: 11:51 – 14:50
• AI Blunders, Tech Rants: 14:50 – 16:02; 19:01 – 24:52; 25:06 – 27:32
• Critique of Evangelical Megachurches: 27:39 – 32:11; 36:11 – 43:55; 48:02 – 50:20
• Role-play: Setting Boundaries with Family: 36:11 – 43:55
• Future of Deconstruction, Support Groups: 50:20 – 52:13
• Reflections on Family Dynamics: 52:13 – 56:07

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Final Thoughts

This episode of "I've Had It" is a cathartic, wide-ranging exploration of current culture wars, political outrage, and the personal growth required to resist authoritarian forces—whether in government, megachurches, or family. Jennifer and Angie’s forthright engagement with privilege, faith, and modern tech anxiety is bracing, laced equally with humor and vulnerability. The show offers not just critical takes, but a genuine sense of solidarity for listeners feeling battered by the times.

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Transcript

[A]

All right, listener. I know for each of you that tune in every single day, the news is just horrifying at times. But it's so important that you be a responsible citizen. And if you care about this country like I do, you have to stay locked into the news. And that's why every single morning we go to our Ground News Vantage plan. And let me give you an example of how this works and you can follow along at home on groundnews.com I've had it. So here's a headline that showed up in my Vantage plan. So Supreme Court ruling offers little relief for Republicans divided on Trump's tariff. It tells me that this article leans left and has a very high factuality. Same subject, different headline. Trump to sign new 10% global tariff after Supreme Court defeat. It tells me this is a lean right publication with mixed factuality. So then you know, okay, do I want to read something with mixed facts factuality that's owned by the Murdoch family? I'm going to go with the one that has high factuality. Listener. Join us by going to ground news.com I've had it. To get 40% off the ground News Vantage plan that we use every day. They are subscriber funded and my favorite part is that they are female. Founded by subscribing, you're not only getting a tool we all need today, you're also supporting our work here at IHIP. That's ground. G-R O U N D news.com forward slash. I've had it. So we supposed to start the podcast.

[B]

Ready?

[A]

One, two, three Patriots Gay trio. They Trio. Black Triots, Brown Trio. Triple Trumpers. Fascists can do wet pumps off. I like that.

[C]

I just have it up to my ears with all this craziness.

[A]

Oh cool, good. Tell us what you've had it with.

[C]

Well, obviously Trump and the lying and the propaganda, like I had it. Anybody who is not thinking holy, the United States of America has fallen. Our allies hate us. The rest of the world hates us. The only people that like us right now are Benjamin Netanyahu's a war criminal. We, the United States of America are committing war crimes. What in the is happening?

[A]

Well, I mean this is exactly what happens when you elect a convicted felon. The media sane washed it. But let's just visit Benjamin Netanyahu. Have you seen all this about like he's dead?

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And then there's all this like AI shit going online. And then he releases another video and another video and another video and the public is always like, well this one's AI well, this one's AI is rings in this picture, but not in that picture. And I think the larger thing with all of that stuff is, I mean, I don't know if he's dead or not. I don't think it would really matter because everybody likes to blame a lot of Israel's war crimes on Benjamin Netanyahu. But when you look at polling of that country, I mean, he's been in power this long for a reason. And I think if he's gone, just like if Trump's gone, we all have to realize that there is, there are these fascists, these war criminals that are making their cultures worse, that are not keeping us safe, that are not prioritizing universal human rights. Universal human rights. And this is the biggest message that I have for everybody trying to navigate the news. You get to, no matter what anybody says to you, you get to care about Palestinians getting killed. You get to care about the attack on the synagogue in Michigan. You get to care about the Iranian girls that were killed by an American missile. You get to care about the attacks in Australia where Jewish people were gathering on the beach. You get to care about the four Palestinians in the west bank that were executed. A family of four, a mother, a father, a five year old and a seven year old shot in the head by the idf. You get to care about all of these things. You don't have to pick a side. And by criticizing the IDF doesn't make you an anti Semite. By supporting and giving empathy to the Jewish communities that want safety worldwide, you're, you get to care about all universal human rights. And I'm so sick of the conflation, number one, we get to criticize Israel. They're worthy of criticism. Every other country in the world, every other leader in the world gets criticized. That's what happens. I mean, even if you decide to be an actor, we're podcasters, you get criticism. And so I'm just so sick of that. But what we have is all of these autocrats that have lined up. Benjamin Netanyahu is a fascist, a war criminal, a murderous, odd, homicidal maniac, dictator of the nth degree. I don't know if he's dead, I don't know if he's alive, but I don't know that it matters a whole lot. Just like if Trump were to drop dead, what is he incubated here? Look at the cultural changes where, you know, everybody's monitoring what everybody likes and doesn't like on Instagram instead of standing on business.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know, Stand on business. I oppose Islamophobia. I oppose anti Semitism. I oppose transphobia. I oppose homophobia. I'm sick to death of white people being racist to black people in the United States of America. Had it quit watching their football games, quit watching their basketball games, quit telling them entertain me and then telling them they can't have political opinions. And so it's very exhausting being alive right now. And it's very difficult to navigate all of the this with these fascists. But I want to offer our listeners, you get to care about all of these things. Universal human rights are the only thing that keep all of us safe, Period. If you start prioritizing one group over another, you leave everybody vulnerable, including the group you prioritize. Historically, this is all true.

[C]

Yeah, well, and here's the thing too. I think that my frustration, I mean number one, white women, obviously my demographic, but I think why it triggers me so much is I used to be that person. I used to be the person that said if it doesn't affect me, why do I give a shit? And I was so narcissistic, I was so entitled, wrapped up in privilege that because I'm white and socioeconomically stable, then I get to have special privileges. And I guess it's like a non smoker, I mean a former smoker, now a non smoker. I just, I see it everywhere and it enrages me and I'm like, I know that you don't have empathy and I know you don't give a about anybody else because I was you and it's so gross.

[A]

Okay, welcome to I've had It. I'm Jennifer.

[C]

I'm Angie.

[A]

Kylie.

[B]

Hi, I'm Kylie.

[A]

Hi Kylie. What's up?

[B]

I've got two reviews for you and I'm going to start strong with a five star titled one star with a wink face and resting bitch place writes. Hate to ruin the vibes, but I just want to say something. After listening to the most recent episode, Jessica made a self deprecating joke about having a platform and being an idiot. And I know it was said in jest, but I can't even stand hearing it as a joke. You two are so obviously intellectually superior to the average and mainstream pond podcasters. That's actually what drew me to the show in the first place. As a woman, I was intrigued by two women working in two of my dream career fields. And after listening for a while, I found you both to be nothing short of role models. The way you combine intelligence, humor, honesty and absolute refusal to Tolerate nonsense is rare and it's a huge part of why the show resonates with so many people. Please never downplay how smart and thoughtful you both are. It's one of the best parts of the podcast. Anyway. I've had it with self deprecating jokes. Keep doing exactly what you're doing.

[A]

That is so nice. Resting bitch face. That is so really, really nice. But I think we will always view ourselves as somewhat idiotic because there is some truth to that. But I think the reason why the podcast resonates is, you know, we really feel this. Like I have been around this cult of white evangelical Christianity. The only friend I had in my adult life that was, that was pumps. And we would go through closeness and then I would be like, oh man, this she's a little bit too fucked up for me this month. And I'd pull back like three or four months because she'd say some crazy shit. And so it's, it's. And as you know, as she's sharing with you all about her deconstruction, I think that what is happening here in the void of corporate media being able to give you truthful reports, people are finding themselves in independent spaces where people have conviction. In a world where in a country where conviction seems to be a rarity, I think that's why people are finding their homes in independent media spaces.

[C]

No, I agree, I agree with that. And I do think that here we are in the midst of all of this crap and we've built this community and that's. I feel stronger because of it. With all the people that listen and believe the truth and want to live in reality. It's very refreshing, obviously, based on all the crazy shit.

[B]

Okay, now I'm going to bring you down a peg with a one star titled Delusional and Go Leafs Go writes. There are quite a few delusional podcasts out there, but this one is just over the top, good for a couple laughs. And that's about all.

[A]

I mean, you know, I mean, for a one star review, I like that he committed to listen. He or she committed to listening to it long enough that they laughed.

[B]

Right?

[A]

And the fact that they took the time, energy and effort to go craft a one star review tells me the inverse of hatred is love. And there might be a little bit of love there. So I think that's one that we might potentially be able to convert.

[C]

We can bring them over.

[B]

I actually saw a review. It was too long to bring onto the show, but it was like this show sucked in the very Beginning, and it sucks even more now. And I was like, you have listened for three whole years, three plus, and they've hated it the whole time.

[A]

Oh, I love that. That's real. That's a real dedication to hate that I kind of find admirable, because I don't hate anything that much to invest that much time. And so I kind of admire. That's kind of aspirational hatred, you know,

[C]

really fighting the hate and the rage.

[A]

Well, to put that much time into it, I mean, that's really, like. If you really want to be a hater, like, that person can put on a clinic. Seriously. That's impressive.

[B]

I thought so.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay. I've got. I've got a news story that plays perfectly into your habits today, and I think a lot of our listeners will understand. And it's. Political depression is driving more people to the therapist's office. And it says it might look like traditional depression, the same hopelessness, despair, and shutdown, but its source is different. Two thirds of respondents in a 2024 survey said they talk about politics or elections with their therapists. And studies show political stress takes a very real toll on people's mental and physical health.

[A]

And this is where I would just disagree with the way that this article was framed. And I would say this is moral news. What we're witnessing right now is not political to me. What we're witnessing Trump do, what we're witnessing Benjamin Netanyahu doing, it's not. I don't disagree with their political policy. I fundamentally morally disagree with arbitrary murder. It's a moral issue for me. I fundamentally disagree with scapegoating groups of people. I fundamentally disagree with the diabolical, manipulative nature of propaganda and gaslighting. I fundamentally disagree with prioritizing bombing countries over helping the people in your own country eat, get a livable wage, and get health care. So, yeah, this. We. We gauge it as politics. But to me, my biggest thing right now is when somebody says, yeah, I just don't watch politics. I'm like, well, it's. Then you're telling me you're a sociopath. Because what we're watching right now is a moral collapse, an absolute moral collapse. And how convenient that you can, you know, escape into your algorithm and just ignore it. I'm not capable of doing that. I'm just simply not.

[C]

Yeah, I am part of that study because I do talk with the therapist about feeling so overwhelmed and, like, helpless and what does the future look like? So I'm part of that study. I mean, and I Agree with you. It's way past politics at this point.

[B]

Okay, I've got one more story. This one is super interesting. It went really viral on TikTok and it says Washington, as in the state roasted for using AI feature with heavily accented English instead of actual Spanish on state helpline. And it says for months, callers to the Washington State Department of licensing who pressed 2 for Spanish were greeted by an AI voice speaking English, but in a heavy Spanish accent. The voice would say things like, please press uno and enter the last quattro digits of your social. It went viral on TikTok with nearly 2 million views before the state fixed it. The woman who caught it said it was like a scene out of Parks and Rec. And I've got a video of this recording that people would hear.

[A]

You have reached the driver licensing service line. If you are calling about a vehicle or boat, please press one. Please press one for English. Dos par espanol, Triblarus. So bo. Thank you for calling the Department of Licensing customer support Center.

[C]

That's okay.

[A]

While scheduling a driver licensing office appointment, canceling an existing appointment, or questions about an upcoming appointment, please press uno. All other callers, please stay on the line. Thank you.

[C]

That's fucking crazy. That is crazy.

[A]

Yeah. Is that verified that that. But is that just TikTok verified or did that. Was that verified through a news source?

[B]

No, that's real. Multiple news sources, ap.

[A]

Really?

[C]

How does that happen?

[B]

This is what happens when you just use robots and AI and people found this funny. And a lot of people in the comments did find it funny, but it also was super problematic. I mean, that's like a year or two if you do. If you can't speak English, you literally couldn't understand. It

[C]

just the incompetence is just raining down from every direction, including AI listener.

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[B]

Okay, I've got some voice memos today and the first one we're going to start with is from Kevin.

[A]

Hey, Jennifer. Hey Pumps. Hey, Kylie Gatriot from New York City. Here. Here's what I've had it with. I've had it with wireless headphones, Bluetooth, I. I don't want to have to charge my headphones. I want to be able to just plug a headphone in to my phone or my device or whatever and then listen to your fucking podcast or music or whatever it is. I don't want to have to know if it's charged. I don't want to have to have it connect to my computer and then, oh, it has to connect to my phone and. And then, oh, I've lost one of my AirPods and then I can't find the right adapter for the old hole or the new hole or the 3 1/2 millimeter headphone jack or whatever it is. Just give me a headphone that plugs into the new port on the goddamn iPhone and I don't have to charge it and then I will be happy. Um, yeah, that's it. Love your podcast. Thanks. Bye. I completely agree with this These came out that I have in right here. I'm only wearing one because if you wear two, I'm either super soft spoken or I'm screaming at the top of my lungs. Because of the noise canceling thing, I have no way to moderate the pitch of my voice. But this, all the electronic stuff, it's like they, it goes and it goes and it goes and they keep advancing it to where now it's complicated. Like for example, the text messages on my cell phone have reorganized and there's columns now for like people that I text whose numbers are programmed. And I kept getting like phone calls, like, hey, I've sent you four texts. I'm like, I've not received your text. Well, it was an unknown sender text compartment. And I'm just like, well, this doesn't help me at all because I don't. I want them all in one spot. And then I want to be able to like block the person if it's spam or reported as spam. And so that, that's not helpful that they reorganize the tags. It's not helpful that we are all now forced to buy these because sometimes the plugin, I agree with him. It's better you just plug it in and you have them in your ears. You don't have to worry about charging. Like when I'm on long flights, like to go to LA to see my son, my ear pods die. I'm like, well, this isn't helpful. If I had the EarPods that plugged in or AirPods, whatever the they're called, I wouldn't have to worry about this situation at all. I could still be watching my show, but instead I'm having to take out my earphones, charge them for like 15 minutes at a time, one at a time to try to keep watching my show. I've had it now.

[C]

I'm so happy to hear this from somebody other than myself because I find all the earplugs and connecting to the phone, all of that, I find that so difficult and frustrating. And I just thought it was me because I'm older, technologically challenged. So this gives me great comfort because I feel the exact same way. And I'm just going to go on record. I know we've talked about it before. I'm so fucking tired of the different plugins for every Apple device. Get a plug in, stick with it. I fucking had it with that.

[A]

I agree. And I also think that there's a racket. I think this has been proven before and that we're supposed to have fixed it. But now the new iPhone's out. Like there's the iPhone air. And the minute a new iPhone drops, then my battery on my current phone starts draining so fast. It's a total racket that Tim Cook is in on where they just. These, these tech companies are the worst. I mean these people are like monsters. And I read this article recently that the people in Silicon Valley, they used to be so far left, now they're moving really far to the right. These are the people that want AI unregulated and all this shit. Peter Thiel, you know, Fucking freaks. They're all freaks. And here's my thing about these billionaires. Like they have all this money and they just act like they're so oppressed. Like, oh my God, they're going to tax me in California, so I'm going to pack my toys up and move. It wouldn't even affect your life at all. There's no sense of appreciation for the country that allowed such deregulated, unfair capitalism for them to succeed and for others to fail and suffer. There's no appreciation for the state and the customer base that they built it in. It's just like just on a whim, oh, we'll move to Florida. We'll move to Texas. Good luck with living in those red states. Good luck. Have fun with kitten heels and that nut governor and Ted Cruz. Have fun with Ted Cruz in Texas. I mean just. And no disrespect to people that live in Florida and Texas. I was born in Texas, but I just have had it with these billionaires. And then here's what's going to happen. Those red states that have these really tax friendly policies, they're going to end up having a multitude of problems and budget deficits because of this. And then these billionaires will pack their up and move again because they're so entitled. They think everybody in the entire world has to do everything to serve them because they're rich. And I just don't think that now. I would much rather hang out with a person who makes minimum wage working at 7, 11, 12 times out of 10 than I would hang out with any of these moronic sociopathic billionaires.

[C]

Agree. And here's the thing. It's so interesting to me that they think they're so smart. Like I have so much money, so I'm so smart so I get to tell everybody else what to do. It's like they think that they're, they've elevated them stat their status to like a deity or a demagogue.

[A]

I think I agree. All right, Kylie, who's next?

[B]

Before I kick you, I just want to say I've seen rumors that the next iPhone, they're thinking of having no ports, no charging ports, nothing.

[A]

Well, what.

[B]

So you'll have to.

[A]

They're all sitting around circle jerking, pulling stuff out of the parking lots, and they're making. It's getting too complicated. The technology is getting too complicated. You know what I just heard recently? I heard Sam Altman, that demon queen that owns GPT, right? So he said, well, the way I see the future is artificial intelligence is going to be like a utility service, like we're going to provide. So basically what this is doing, he's taking Google, the Internet, plus critical thinking or deduction skills that human brains have. He's bottling it up and packaging all of the. That we've all done, and then he's reselling it to you. Something that you could Google and use even a moderate IQ to crack the case on. It's so insane. How crazy is. And this is the guy who also said he couldn't imagine raising kids without AI. Just like you, really. And you're like one of the smartest, healthiest people on the planet, and you can't figure out how to raise a kid. It's like genetically encoded into our DNA. How to do this? Like, literally when I was pregnant, I was like, how am I going to do this? And you have the baby and you just know what to do. Just, no, it's genetically encoded. How do gorillas know? In the zoo, because it's genetically encoded. How do mama dogs know it's genetically encoded? But this. He has to consult AI as to how to raise a kid. I mean, it's just like admitting I'm so stupid, right? I. Even though I was a child and I experienced this human experience, and I've watched and read all of these books, in this body of evidence, I have no clue unless I consult with this moronic robot that I invented that now I'm going to package and resell to people. I hate these people. You just don't hate these enough. I mean, it's just, we need to. These people are awful. Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Lauren Sanchez, all of them neutered. Mark Zuckerberg, all these people hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein. They're gross. I. Here's one thing. Jeffrey Epstein was a total prick rapist. All the things he knew when he had all of those oligarchs having dinner, he snapped a picture of it and emailed it to himself. Yeah, that's just pretty telling to me. That's pretty telling.

[C]

Well, yeah.

[A]

Oligarchs had dinner with him after he pleaded guilty to being a pedophile.

[C]

They all begged to be in his presence. Elon Musk was begging to get invited to the wild party. That's the thing. He knew how up his shit was and he wanted to bring every person down with it. And these people that think they're so smart, everybody should cower to them. They're so stupid. They fell for it.

[A]

Yeah. And birds of a feather agree.

[B]

The we just had the Oscars recently and Elon Musk tweeted that he couldn't watch because he's not going to watch a bunch of pedophiles.

[A]

Okay, here's the thing. Elon Musk's step siblings and his siblings accused his biological father of being a pedophile of sexually abusing them. Elon Musk embarrasses and humiliates himself in the Epstein files. Elon Musk outed Donald Trump properly. You will never get the full release of the Epstein files because Trump is in them. You know, he nuked Trump on this thing. And clearly the President of the United States, in my opinion, has done sexual assault with underage people and was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein didn't have friends. He was a spy that had assets that he was working, that he was manipulating. And Donald Trump was one of those people. And the American evangelical white mega church people that still support this shit are the biggest political liability. The most morally bankrupt people on the planet go to speaking of grifting and capitalism. Go to the I've had it gift shop on our website and we have shirts that say boycott mega churches. And in the Trump era, all the shit that I have to think about boycotting, I'm telling you as a messenger from a red state. Mega churches are the incubator of all of this hatred, of all of this shame, of all of this hypocrisy, of the permission structure to forgive pedophiles. And let me just say this to every listener of this podc, if you're Christian light and you go to church and you think, well, my mega church is great because we have a couple of gay guys and there's a black couple that comes every week too, and the black couple's even gay. So we're so woke. If your mega church pastor is not screaming from the pulpit about egregious war crimes, about little girls in Iran getting shot with a tomahawk missile, if your mega church pastor is not talking about wealth and income inequality if he is not talking about the greed and the exploitative nature of the billionaire class. Because there's one thing that this atheist knows, because when I, after being pitched and pitched and pitched evangelical Christianity by the most morally bankrupt people I knew in my life personally, I read the words of Jesus, the central character of Christianity. He spoke out exclusively against the accumulation of wealth. It is. It is not kind of hinted at. It is explicit. And then you have all of these evangelical preachers who speak out exclusively about the accumulation of wealth, which is antithetical to their lord and personal savior, that they will not shut the fuck up about trying to recruit everybody to go to their megachurch to give them more money so the megachurch can grow. It's unbelievable. These churches, one, one of the most insidious. I talk about this a lot. Look it up. Live church is 25 locations. And here's the biggest grift of the whole thing. Each location doesn't have its own pastor. No, they have a television screen where the main guy is broadcast everywhere. And guess what this, their social media account did when Trump was quote, unquote, assassinated and Butler attempted assassination. They post support for Trump. They never post support for the people that Trump goes into rural Oklahoma, where this church is based on, and lies to them. Lies to them and tells them, I care about you. I care about your suffering. They don't. These big church is every bit as bad as Big Pharma. It's every bit as bad as the military industrial complex. It's almost worse. It's almost the most insidious.

[C]

Well, I agree with everything you said because I am a. I am absolutely. I was in, in on all of it. I was raised like that into my adulthood. I did, you know, this was not like something I did at 12. I kept, I kept it moving for decades. And let's be honest, I didn't have the skills to critically think until well into adulthood. I mean, I mean, like, I could do, like, academic stuff, but when you applied it to my life, I was incapable.

[A]

She was, I'm just telling you guys, it was crazy because we would. We're raising our kids and then her life falls apart and would be sitting on my front porch, chain smoking, working. And I remember her saying, and like, the whole life is falling apart. I remember this so vividly. She goes, well, I'm just so happy that my kids are safe. It's like, it's like Jesus and God, like, had these angels come and put barbed wire around my children. Yes, And I said to her. I said to her, like, I remember all the visuals about the barbed wire and these angels with barbed wire was kind of weird to me from job. But then I was like. I was like, but your kids aren't safe. Well, no, they are. I mean, that, you know, my prayer worked there at least. And I said, well, then, okay, let's say your kids are safe. Why are your kids safe? But the kids who, you know, live in the black part of town that are over policed, why are they not safe? She snapped. Just moved her head straight at me, and I'll never forget it. She goes, maybe God just likes me more than he likes them. And I was like, are you serious right now? Did you just say that? She was like, yeah, maybe he just likes me more. And I was like, yeah, be serious. And she was like, no, I'm dead serious. He just likes me more. And there was. It was just like everything was completely shut down. God likes Angie more, right? Everybody else. And so her kids are safe and everybody else's kids can go themselves.

[C]

That's exactly what it is. I mean, so imagine that by the millions. That's. That's a Trump voter.

[A]

I mean, I will give you this for all of your crazy Christian stuff. You were never a Fox Newser, which I think saved you, probably. You didn't, like, sit around and. And you. I mean, you didn't, like, you weren't political at all. I never knew you'd be political.

[C]

Why bother? Because I was so above the fray. I was chosen. Nothing bad was gonna happen. Other people's problem. Problems weren't going to affect my life. Jennifer, come on.

[A]

All right, who's the next caller? Have we only done one caller?

[B]

We've only done one.

[C]

We are just gas bags.

[A]

I mean, once. See, here's the thing. Once you start talking about this, mega churches, I can go to town, I can rip it because I lived around it. I see the moral depravity of it. I see the way these people treat minorities, LGBTQ plus people, and it makes me crazy. I'm so glad you got out of that pumps, because I don't think we'd have a podcast same.

[C]

I'm so glad that I got out of it.

[A]

Are you happy?

[C]

I'm so much happier. I feel so much stronger. I feel like I have a direction. I don't feel aimless. No, Everything about it.

[A]

Let me ask you this. Are you still terrified of your mother?

[C]

Interestingly, I am, but not near as much as. Not near as much. I mean, that is Evolving.

[A]

I mean, let me ask you this. Does she know you're an atheist?

[C]

If she does, she is ignoring it. But. But here's the deal. Denial in the way I grew up, that is just part and parcel of life. So if it's an inconvenient truth and you don't want to believe it, you just don't. You just don't. So that is. That was generational in my family. So I think she would. Even if she did, she would ignore

[A]

it and you just would never discuss it.

[C]

Okay, now that I say that, yeah, I think. I think she would ignore it because she doesn't want to know. Okay.

[A]

What are you going to do? Because I remember last year, Easter.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Your mom asked you to go to church and it's an anti gay. I went on the website of it. It is explicitly very anti gay, very homophobic, very hateful church. And I said to you, how can you do that? How can you go when we have so many LGBTQ plus audience members? And you said, this is just a year ago. I don't care. It's just easier for me to go.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I didn't want to still in there like that. Fear of your mother. Where are you this year on Easter? Let's role play. I'm Judy.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Okay. I'm gonna call you. Okay. Ring, ring. You have to say hello.

[C]

Oh, hello.

[A]

Hello, Angie. Are you. Are you gonna. The kids gonna go to Easter worship with us on Sunday?

[C]

Okay, here's the thing. I have actually role played this by myself.

[A]

You're getting out of character. You're out of character right now.

[C]

That's okay.

[A]

Be you. I'm your mom.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I just asked you the question, Mom.

[C]

Thank you for the invitation, but I cannot feel good about myself if I go to a place that I know, number one, is not for all human rights. That has racist overtones at every turn. And I cannot sit in a room full of people that I know voted for DONALD Trump, over 90% seeing what he is doing to U.S. citizens and abroad. I can't feel good about me if I go, so I'm not going to be able to go.

[A]

Well, I voted for Donald Trump. Do you think I'm a bad person?

[C]

Yes. I've asked you specifically about the treatment of migrants and you act like it's fine. So I do think you have an empathy problem. And I've told you that on several occasions that it makes me really sad that you can't have empathy for other people.

[A]

Okay, then what do. I don't know what she would say after that. What do you think she says after that? If you. Because this would be the first time. You're 57. How old are you? 60?

[C]

56. Barely 56 and like 28 days.

[A]

Okay, so 56 years old. This is really. It's really fasting and it's so. I think some of the. One of the more helpful conversations nationally, you tell your mother no for the first time in your life. Because that religious control, the mind control of religious authoritarian parents is so massive, which sets the psychological soil, by the way. Authoritarian parents set the cycle for people to fall prey to authoritarian governments. So you tell your authoritarian mother, no, you're not gonna go. What does she do? Cries victim. Immediately cry.

[C]

I don't think she'd feel like a victim. I think she'd feel like I was going to burn in hell, but she would start crying immediately. So it'd be the emotional blackmail kind of situation. But I just.

[A]

And what do you do when she does that? That's impress. That's stressful. Pumps. But you're used to it.

[C]

I'm. That's part and parcel.

[A]

That's just so. It doesn't. Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I. Is it. I wouldn't back down.

[A]

It's a. I'm so proud of you.

[C]

Yeah. No. That's such a year. I've been doing this in my head for a year because I was like, I'm never going. I can't go back. I. I just makes me too uncomfortable.

[A]

What are they doing? They hand praise. Did they do the hand praise?

[C]

No, they don't. They didn't do that. If they did, I didn't notice it. But I'm not saying they didn't. I personally didn't notice it.

[A]

You know what atheists call Easter?

[C]

What?

[A]

Happy Zombie Day. Zombie Jesus. I mean, if you think about it, he was dead for three days. So the decomposition in the desert. Yeah, it's pretty intense. And so then you think about him raising and everybody seeing it decomposed. This is a level of blasphemy for that. If you're an atheist or agnostic, you're very comfortable with. But some people would be like, oh, my God, she's so crazy. But I mean, I think the whole story's crazy. It's like, not believable to me. Just isn't. Of course it isn't, you guys. In Oklahoma, in my neighborhood, people put yard signs up for Easter and they say, he is risen. All over. He is risen.

[C]

It's in front of businesses, everything.

[A]

Yeah, he is risen.

[C]

I forgot.

[A]

And Then the Jesus that they worship, the capitalist supply side Jesus. Like, if Jesus did exist, the brown Palestinian Jew Jesus would be so mortified at all of these freaks in the Bible Belt and their weird worship of him and how they've whitewashed him into this Aryan businessman.

[C]

I'm just telling you, it would be like. I was shocked when I saw a picture that Jesus wasn't white. It just the way it was preached to me, he was white.

[A]

Well, I mean, on all of the Christian arts, I feel like I thought as. Even though I wasn't raised in church, I for sure thought Jesus was white because my family was culturally Christian. Like, we celebrated Easter. We celebrated, didn't go to church, and we had, like, Easter baskets and Easter eggs. We celebrate Christmas. We didn't go to church, but we had gifts. So we do all the Christian holidays. I for sure thought he was white. I mean, I grew up in white suburban Oklahoma City. I thought for sure he's white. Yeah. You know, attractive, blonde hair, blue eyes. Kind of what they do with Trump now. Those. Those Photoshop pictures of Trumper's hair is a little longer and he has, like, the muscles and stuff. They kind of Jesus him a little bit. They do this. That same group of people does this. Yeah, I guess it's their idealized male, right?

[C]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, obviously Trump is the idealized male.

[A]

A. Oh, my God, he's so gross. Kylie, did you leave us?

[B]

If I may, if you are like pumps and tell your parents you don't want to go to Easter and you're in Atlanta, we have a show that weekend and we'll house you. I think we have a couple tickets. They could still come.

[C]

So that's.

[B]

I think that's how people

[C]

pointed that I'm not gonna get to have that conversation with my mother.

[A]

You still can.

[C]

No, I still do, but it just. It kind of takes the thought out of it.

[A]

Yeah, it does. Let me ask you this. Will she make your kids go?

[C]

No,

[A]

she won't. Will they? Will she ask them and will they go?

[C]

She'll ask them. No, not if I don't. I don't think so.

[A]

You guys, this is big. It's like the biggest growth I've seen in you to be able. It is because you've always kind of straddled both sides. Like, there was podcaster pumps who fought hard for all of these things, but then privately, you were still going to these institutions or holding up these things, and it always kind of like, you know, it always kind of. I thought this kind of problematic but to hear you say that you're actually going to talk the talk and walk the walk is the most growth I've ever seen in you. I'm so proud of you.

[B]

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[C]

I'm really kind of upset about the whole Easter thing now because I. I've gone over this in my head a million times.

[B]

Well, technically, we're on Saturday, so you could fly back and make it so you can still tell her no.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

But.

[A]

Okay, I'll just have to.

[B]

I think you need this.

[A]

I'll just have.

[B]

You need it.

[C]

I'm happy with that.

[B]

He doesn't even know.

[A]

No, don't. You have to. Don't your parents do the. The video church where you have to watch it with them?

[B]

No. Well, that's what. Growing up, once we went to the megachurch once it was built in Stillwater. You watch the tv, people gather all over the country in big buildings to watch the same tv.

[A]

That's. Yeah, that is really a brilliant grift. I. I have to hand it to him.

[B]

He doesn't even have to hire people, truly.

[A]

Like, he doesn't even have to hire a pastor that he pays insurance to that he gives a 401k to. He literally buys one TV screen one time, and then he just duplicates himself. It's really like, that grift is really next level.

[B]

And I know what we need to do.

[A]

The narcissism. And I am only one preacher, and I can be duplicated all over. I mean, it's really. If you want to be a fucked up evangelical grifter, Craig Groeschel has. I mean, he has it down like, that is really aspirational grifting.

[B]

I know what we should do for tour. We should go on a nationwide tour. You never have to leave.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yes. We'll set up a tv.

[C]

Oh, my God. That is kind of brilliant.

[A]

That's. Think about the arrogance of that. Think about the arrogance. If we sold tickets to this Atlanta show, but at the same time, we had 25 other venues that we sold tickets for, and the people walked in and there was just a screen.

[C]

It was just the fact that this

[A]

guy has 25 churches and nobody thinks how little he must think of them. Because I would expect our fan base to be like, you are right. Narcissistic twats sold tickets, and you're broadcasting your Atlanta show. What? Who the fuck do you think you're in? The fact that this guy does this without criticism tells you it's a cult.

[B]

And then on top of it, during our live show, we pass it back a basket around. We're like, also, donate more. Donate more.

[A]

To.

[B]

I've had it.

[A]

I'll tell you what. It's a. It's a good deal if you can get it. They don't have to pay taxes. They have all of this political power. But here's the sad part. And this is where it pumps. This is where I think next year, this is what you move into. All right? I think there is going to be a huge need for people as old as you to very young and even older than you, which, you know, there are a few probably, that have deconstructed their faith. She's flipping me off, listener. Who have deconstructed their faith and need guidance and community, much like people who are getting sober need a sense of community. And I think you specifically can speak to the damages of these hate academies that are a part of the megachurch boom of the 80s and all of these schools that popped up. And I think that, you know, and your daughter so politically active and into, you know, studying therapy. I think there's something that could be really, really helpful because you were in it. You were inside the Death Star. You were in it. Yeah. All of your adult life, all of your childhood, and then you reverse course and you're happy. I just. I think there's going to be a huge need, outside of all the political shit that's happening, for the people who have been brainwashed and abused by these mega churches to find support groups. I'm sure it probably exists, but I think you should start the best one. I think you'd be great at it.

[C]

Well, here's. I. I agree with you. It's so needed. It's just. I wonder somebody else would have to lead it, because I'm still trying to fight my way out of it. You know what I mean? Like, I'm so clogged.

[A]

You would be an attendee.

[C]

I would be an attendee. Like, I would love to say, oh, yeah, I figured it all out. I'm aces. But I still feel like I'm unpacking stuff all the time from it. And maybe that's just how it is. Maybe that's just, you know, like, do you feel that Kylie finishing is part of the progression?

[B]

We had a little bit different. I never got sucked into it.

[A]

That's the thing that happened with my mom. Like, she was little, her mom was. People were like, how was your mom an atheist? And I was like, she just. She didn't buy it as a child. She was just. All the hellfire, damnation was threatened on her, and she was just like, this is so. She took the bus to the library all the time and started reading about it. And like. Like at 12, I mean, she's like in the library because then she lived in Dallas. But I think that the years in it would be far more damaging. Pump. So I appreciate that you're still. Because. Yeah, I appreciate that you're so growing from it because it's. I mean, it's a problem.

[C]

Yeah, it's a huge problem.

[A]

And your kids though, your kids kind of like Kylie at a very young age kind of rejected it, right?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, it. I just. I don't know, maybe it's because I wasn't. I mean, like, I didn't have this control over my kids like my mother had of me. I don't think. I think they were like critical thinking and questioning authority of any kind was just not something I did growing up. I just didn't.

[A]

Well, I think your mother's the classic textbook authoritarian parent. Yeah, I mean it's just authoritarian parenting. Well, I just remember like when we were grown adults, we were 30. Well, you were probably 40 and I was 30. Somewhere in that range. And like 35.

[C]

Not just flat 30, but anyway.

[A]

And anyway, we're at your house and we are in your backyard smoking cigarettes and your mother just showed up, doesn't knock, nothing. Which I thought was kind of weird that she like didn't allow you your adult autonomy of your home. But I mean, you know, sometimes, you know, parent. But even my parents, they always ring with the doorbell. But she races and she sees pump smoking. She complet. Melts down. She starts bawling, crying, screaming at the top of her lungs. Angie pointing her finger, grabs the cigarettes, puts them under the water. And again, we're like grown adults with children and it was just like this complete meltdown. And then she had to lie to her mother for years about hanging out with me because I refused. Because I refused her invitations to Bible study. Right.

[C]

But I mean like outright.

[A]

And then the smoking. And then the funny thing about the whole thing is her religious. Most religious friends, total chain smoker. The one. And Kay, you can delete that part. But she's like the biggest chain smoker on the planet. But if she, for your mother gets a pass on everything because of the believes in Jesus thing, I was always the number one.

[C]

But that's what I'm saying. That's like, that's why denial is such a part of it. No, I was shaking. I remember I was shaking, like physically. Remember?

[A]

I. Yes, I remember. And then she storms out. And I remember thinking this Is wild. Like, my mother would have been like, jennifer, you know, smoking's terrible for you. It's gonna age. You wouldn't be about cancer. It'd be like, jennifer, you know these cigarettes are gonna age you prematurely. I just think you're such a darling girl. You don't wanna. You don't wanna look like an old, shriveled up smoker. That would have been her purpose of telling me vanity purposes. And I. I know, Mom. I know it's bad. I'm going to quit. I'm going to quit. And that would have been the end of it. But the. It was like this super disproportionate crazy ass thing. It was really wild.

[C]

Oh, I remember it vividly.

[A]

She still do that kind of stuff with you or have you. Have your boundaries gotten better?

[C]

No, the boundaries are a lot better.

[A]

That's a lot better. Again, I haven't seen her in a long time.

[C]

Tiptoe, tiptoe, coming out.

[A]

Does she know you vape?

[C]

No, but at this point, I wouldn't

[A]

care if she did.

[C]

I wouldn't do it in front of her out of respect. But I just. I'm just like, sorry. I mean, I don't try to hide it like I used to. That makes sense.

[A]

Yeah, I totally get. But I also understand your point of, like, why poke the bear if it offends her? Like, I totally get that. I'm just like, I totally get not raping and apologize for it or. Right, right. Yeah, I totally. I don't think that's. I totally. I think that's respectful and you don't want a big drama about it. God, yeah.

[C]

I got drama about so much.

[A]

All right, Kylie, do you have anything else to add about any of these things?

[B]

I don't. I feel like you've said it all.

[C]

Gas bags.

[B]

Gas bags.

[A]

Yeah. What is the megachurch. What does the megachurch think about the gays?

[B]

Here's the thing. A lot of them don't say it out loud. Like the one that I attended, I never heard them even mention gays in my memory. But they have ways of, I think, not being in support, especially as a church. That's your very clear outright non support.

[A]

Totally.

[B]

You know?

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

It's like subliminal, kind of.

[B]

Yeah. Because that's the. That's what everyone assumes. So unless you speak out against it, that's where you stand.

[A]

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[C]

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[A]

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[B]

Kaka.

[A]

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