Pimps, Hoes & Politicians

Summary

I’VE HAD IT
Episode: Pimps, Hoes & Politicians
May 28, 2026

Overview
In this lively and irreverent episode, hosts Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan are joined by special guest Peppermint—Broadway star, activist, and ACLU artist ambassador for trans justice. Together, they take on the hypocrisies of online reviews, corporate mission statements, performative relationships on social media, corporate politics, and the weaponization of identity in the current American climate. The episode moves seamlessly from biting pop culture commentary and internet pet peeves to substantive conversations about anti-trans legislation, intersectional injustice, and the commodification of political identity, always laced with sharp humor and righteous indignation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Rage Against Online Reviews & Corporate Fakery

• Deceptive Reviews: Angie rails against false online reviews likely generated by bots or “cooked books,” sharing an experience with a disastrous bathing suit cover-up.
  • “It’s the best fabric! …Just the worst things on the planet… Are these AI reviews bots? Is it like fake?” — Angela Dawn [01:32]
• Mission Statements: Jennifer and Angie mock the prevalence and emptiness of corporate mission statements, seeing them as red flags and marketing theatre.
  • “If you’re a company and you have a mission statement—shut up. I don’t want anything to do with you.” — Jennifer Welch [03:25]
• Performance over Authenticity: They recall how, early on, they asked friends and kids to leave positive podcast reviews themselves.
  • “Yeah, we’re assholes too.” — Jennifer Welch [02:01]

2. Performative Social Media & 'Relationship Surveillance’

• Performative Coupling Online: Jennifer observes that couples who loudly profess love for each other on social media are usually headed for disaster.
  • “Happy couples do not talk to each other on the Internet. …If Josh was writing on my Instagram post, ‘I love my mama,’ I’d be like, what the fuck is wrong with you?” — Jennifer Welch [08:27]
• Enabling and Spectacle: Social media communities enable this performativity, with friends chiming in or quietly rubbernecking.
  • “They’re enablers of crazy. …There are crazy people, and then there are crazy enablers.” — Jennifer Welch [10:15]

3. Internet Annoyances: Pop-Ups, Email ‘Terrorism’, and Data Overreach

• Online Shopping Hell: Jennifer vents about aggressive pop-ups, club sign-ups, and spam email tactics that now plague digital shopping.
  • “All you’re wanting to do is spend money …Giving these people money isn’t enough. They want all the dirt on you.” — Jennifer Welch [11:33]
• Hypocrisy Realized: The hosts acknowledge their own online presence and self-exposure:
  • “We always admit we’re hypocrites, though.” — Jennifer Welch [13:00]

4. The Great 'Centrist’ Debate

• Trolling & Self-Reflection: Jennifer receives a 5-star satirical review lauding her ‘centrism,’ which becomes a running joke and reflection on seeking political identity.
  • “I’d rather be called a MAGA cultist than a centrist, because at least the MAGA cultists believe in something. …Centrists don’t believe in anything.” — Jennifer Welch [14:54]

5. Hooters, Family Values, & Performative Masculinity

• Hooters’ Rebrand: News that Hooters wants to pivot toward a “family friendly” beach-themed restaurant is met with skepticism and mockery.
  • “The people that take their families to Hooters don’t give a fuck one way or the other.” — Angela Dawn [18:10]
  • “Straight people are literally bringing their kids to a restaurant to teach them to objectify women. …But drag queen story time is the threat.” — Jennifer Welch [19:58]
• Queer Experiences: A story is shared about families taking gay boys to Hooters to “ungay” them—a misguided and common practice.

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In-Depth Interview: Peppermint Joins the Conversation

[25:10 - End]

Identity, Obsession, and Transphobia in America

• Trans Issues as Scapegoating:
  • “I’ve had it with people who think that trans people only think about trans issues.” — Peppermint [25:39]
• Hypocrisy of Conservative Fixation:
  • “The people who think about trans issues more than anybody are conservative MAGA people. That’s all they fucking talk about.” — Jennifer Welch [25:48]
• Material Consequences: Peppermint explains how this obsession translates into real-life discrimination: job loss, lack of identification, health care access, and violence, especially against black trans women.
  • “It is fatal. It is a fatal attack on a group of very marginalized people.” — Jennifer Welch [29:17]
  • “We are in a situation where historically black trans women, black trans people, stand at the intersection of anti-black racism and misogyny and homophobia.” — Peppermint [29:59]

Progressivism, Political Identity & ‘Pimps and Hoes’

• Politicians as Puppets: Calling out politicians from both parties who take money from powerful corporate interests (the “pimps”), Jennifer and Peppermint declare:
  • “We cannot vote for pimps or hoes. …If you’re just getting paid to go do a little hoing in the back, that’s different.” — Jennifer Welch & Peppermint [47:54]
• Left vs. Center: Peppermint makes distinctions between being a leftist, progressive, and ‘centrist’ Democrat—emphasizing that identity alone isn’t enough; policy and principles matter.
  • “Just because it says the name Democrat doesn’t mean it’s on the left or progressive at all. American politics is very center-right focused.” — Peppermint [45:00]

Intersectionality & Conditional Solidarity

• Universal Human Rights: The group stresses cross-solidarity—protecting trans rights, Palestinians, Muslims, and others is inseparable.
  • “If they’re willing to throw little kids in a very poor country under the bus, what’s going to make them not start marginalizing more groups?” — Jennifer Welch [53:08]
• Corporate Capture & Everyday Suffering: Peppermint rails against corporate control and exploitation, from ice cream shrinkflation to the erosion of rights.
  • “Everything corporations touch, for the most part, just ends up exploitation and profit.” — Peppermint [55:44]

Notable Memorable Moments

The 'Centrist’ as Insult

• “Centrist liberal is like the biggest, most disgusting insult.” — Jennifer Welch [51:13]
• “Incremental change. Do not lie to me and tell me that incremental change is...what we have to have… These right-wing people are not moving in any increments.” — Peppermint [61:23]

Drag Her, Cheers

• “If you’re earning your money on your back, earnestly, I support you and I’d probably vote for you.” — Jennifer Welch [48:46]

On Surviving and Representation

• “Imagine what sports would be like, acting would be like, just your everyday life without black people or immigrants. What America has is multiculturalism. That’s our culture.” — Jennifer Welch [64:10]

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Important Segments with Timestamps

• Deceptive Online Reviews Rant: [00:48 – 03:14]
• Mocking Corporate Mission Statements: [03:14 – 04:50]
• Performative Couples on Social Media: [05:19 – 10:20]
• Hooters, Family Masculinity, and Gender Performativity: [17:05 – 22:55]
• Peppermint’s Introduction and What She’s “Had It” With: [25:10]
• Conservative Obsession with Trans Issues: [26:01]
• Intersectionality & Black Trans Women’s Struggles: [29:59 – 34:21]
• Trans Kids, Parental Fears, Empathy: [34:21 – 39:33]
• Centrist Democrats, Allyship, and “Kitchen Table Issues”: [51:13 – 60:10]
• Pimps, Hoes & Corporate Capture Explained: [47:36 – 49:13]
• Had It or Hit It? (Rapid Fire Grievances Segment): [60:10 – 73:32]
• Peppermint on NYC Pride and Politics: [73:36 – 77:30]
• Peppermint on Survival of the Thickest and GLAAD: [77:48 – 80:24]

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Tone & Language

The episode is frank, acerbic, quick-witted, and unfiltered, with hosts and guest using humor as a scalpel to dissect serious sociopolitical issues. Phrases like “fuck them,” “hypocrite,” “pimps and hoes,” and irreverent cultural references are abundant, making this a bracing listen for those craving comedic truth-telling mixed with sharp social critique.

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Notable Quotes by Timestamp

• “If you’re a company and you have a mission statement—shut up. I don’t want anything to do with you.” — Jennifer Welch [03:25]
• “Happy couples do not talk to each other on the Internet.” — Jennifer Welch [08:27]
• “They’re enablers of crazy. …There are crazy people, and then there are crazy enablers.” — Jennifer Welch [10:15]
• “I’d rather be called a MAGA cultist than a centrist, because at least the MAGA cultists believe in something.” — Jennifer Welch [14:54]
• “Straight people are literally bringing their kids to a restaurant to teach them to objectify women.” — Jennifer Welch [19:58]
• “I've had it with people who think that trans people only think about trans issues.” — Peppermint [25:39]
• “It is a fatal attack on a group of very marginalized people.” — Jennifer Welch [29:17]
• “Identity alone cannot be a reason to follow somebody off of a cliff.” — Peppermint [45:00]
• “Just because it says the name Democrat doesn’t mean it’s on the left or progressive at all.” — Peppermint [45:00]
• “Everything corporations touch, for the most part, just ends up exploitation and profit.” — Peppermint [55:44]

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Conclusion

This episode is a rollercoaster of guilty internet pleasures and righteous indignation, blending comedic instinct with passionate social justice analysis. Whether skewering the emptiness of mission statements, the farce of corporate allyship, or the deadly consequences of anti-trans obsession in America, Jennifer, Angie, and Peppermint offer a rich, humorous, and incisive takedown of the status quo—and give listeners plenty to laugh about and lots to think about for the fights ahead.

Transcript

[Jennifer Welch]

Speaking of passports, why don't you update us on Caitlyn Jenner's Aha, darling.

[Peppermint]

Denied.

[Jennifer Welch]

You know, I got in this big fight with Cory Booker on the podcast. Woo.

[Peppermint]

Honey, I'm done with her. Why is equality's life so bad? Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you.

[Jennifer Welch]

Peppermint.

[Peppermint]

Cheers.

[Jennifer Welch]

Cheers.

[Angela Dawn]

Ready? 1, 2, 3.

[Jennifer Welch]

Patriots gay trio. They trio. It's black Trio. It's Brown Trio. We love you. Anybody who still supports this dipshit running the country can do what Pumps off. I like it. Pumps. What have you had it with?

[Angela Dawn]

Okay, what I've had it with. And we know that I'm on the struggle bus when it comes to buying on the Internet. But what I've taken to doing is reading the reviews, which I thought was smart. And then I got two products recently from a company I never bought anything for and I read the reviews and it was like, oh my gosh, the. These are. It's the best fabric. You will love these. Just the worst things on the planet that I just simply picked them up and put them back in the thing to return them. That's how bad they were. What I just threw away because I didn't even know where the return slip was.

[Jennifer Welch]

Tell us what you bought.

[Angela Dawn]

This. Okay. It's like a bathing suit cover up.

[Jennifer Welch]

Okay.

[Angela Dawn]

And it was super cute. It looked like seersucker. Like a little like, looks like a shirt, but it goes all the way down. It's like printed on material. It's so bad. So I've had it with the lying reviews. And then it occurred to me, are these AI reviews bots? Is it like fake?

[Jennifer Welch]

They're cooking the books.

[Angela Dawn]

Is that right?

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, they're cooking the books.

[Angela Dawn]

See, so now I remember when we

[Jennifer Welch]

first started this podcast, we told all of our friends to go on Apple and write some reviews. So we also, we have also, they weren't bots. They were real people. Not objective at all. But do you remember, like telling our kids and our friends, hey, will you give us five stars and write us a review? We. Yeah, we're assholes too.

[Angela Dawn]

Yeah, okay, I know I'm an asshole. I'm not even debating that point. But I'm just like, if you don't know anything about a company and you see all these, the quality is outstanding reviews, and you get like the grossest of the gross. And then another one had a ruffle that wasn't in the picture on this bathing suit cover up.

[Jennifer Welch]

Where was the ruffle?

[Angela Dawn]

Like right at the waist. Like it was a drop Waist and

[Jennifer Welch]

a ruffle at the waist.

[Angela Dawn]

No, it wasn't a ruffle. It was like a trim, but it was like just pointy triangles. Like a flag you would put. But it was like pointy triangles. And I just thought no one would ever buy this if it was re. If it was real. And I thought about, well, do I take it to the tailor? And I thought, I spent 28 on it. I'd spend 5,000 times more than that altering it. And I just chunked it. I was just like, I've had it. Had it.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, yeah. It's hard. It's hard to navigate the Internet. All right. I've had it with mission statements.

[Angela Dawn]

Such a great one.

[Jennifer Welch]

I mean, a sock in it. If you're a company and you have a mission statement. Shut up. I don't want to buy anything from you. I don't want anything to do with you. If you talk about your mission statement a lot. If. When you're presenting your services or your product to people and you're like, well, our mission statement here at I've had it is to make sure we call every an nobody. A mission statement is a made up thing. It is, it is. It is a disguise. I guarantee you that company that you bought that. That swimsuit cover up, I bet they got a mission statement. Oh, I'm sure they did.

[Angela Dawn]

It's a red flag how you find

[Jennifer Welch]

us some mission statements that are stupid.

[Angela Dawn]

Okay, here's one that I think a mission statement is a. I mean, I'm sure things have had mission statements like when we were younger, but I don't remember ever it being talked about. So I overheard a conversation between my two youngest children. And my youngest child was preparing for the meeting with his boss this summer. And my daughter says to him, oh, get on the website and see what their mission statement is.

[Jennifer Welch]

And then you can start dip kids buy into this too. That's what I'm saying. And yes. Oh my gosh, that's great.

[Angela Dawn]

Because I've read their mission statement. And so when you.

[Jennifer Welch]

It's a. It's a statement. It is a statement. I'm gonna boycott companies that have mission statements.

[Angela Dawn]

And the Christian fish.

[Jennifer Welch]

That's. That is. I have boycotted that for decades.

[Angela Dawn]

Yeah, you have decades to be fair.

[Jennifer Welch]

For decades.

[Angela Dawn]

Do we also want to talk about something else? You were right about something. You have told me.

[Jennifer Welch]

Go on five years.

[Angela Dawn]

Okay. Since the beginning of time. Jennifer Welch has set beginning of Facebook for sure. That's when you made me a Facebook. So this is literally 25 years ago.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Angela Dawn]

We would follow couples that had their Internet love story. I love you, you're the best.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah.

[Angela Dawn]

She has said right from jump. I mean, day one of Facebook. If couples are telling you how much they love each other on the Internet, it's a disaster. They're screeching towards divorce. Do you want to take it from here? Do you want me to do it? Because you're, you're a better storyteller than I am.

[Jennifer Welch]

Well, I'll take over because I do like to bask and being right. So I noticed this a while back. There's two degrees of this. There are the people that are advertising on Facebook, like, I love my man. My man made me pancakes this morning.

[Angela Dawn]

Okay.

[Jennifer Welch]

And then their friends are like, oh my God, you're so lucky that your man is such a good man, blah, blah. And then there's the couples who communicate with each other on Facebook, which I say is a five alarm fire. So then you have the guy that would chime into this post, anything for my woman. Baby, you do me so good. I love those pancakes. You made them special and hot just for your mom. And he's like, yeah, that's what daddy always does. And then other people are participating with it. And I'm watching this thing when Facebook first came out and I'm like, somebody's around, somebody's around. They're all of this is for an audience. And so this couple that Pumps and I have been investigating for, I don't know, close to 10 years.

[Angela Dawn]

Yeah, 10 years.

[Jennifer Welch]

And it was, I mean, every post was, they had nicknames for each other. And every, every post it's like my pumpkin. And I'm going to keep the real nickname anonymous. But it's like my Pumpkin just does everything for me. It's the love of my life. And it's. I'm talking paragraph long, very Trumpian style with sometimes cap lock, sometimes not. Runaway punk punctuation emojis. And I, and I, I said, when this first happened, I said to Pumps, I said, they might, it might be high times right now. It might be cocaine and fantastic sex, but they're going to come off of this thing and it's going to be a stage five meltdown of a divorce. Because there's no way people that online like this, that are that crazy online, have a real civilization divorce. Not that civil divorces are that common, but you hear about them. And so we hadn't, we had dropped the bag on this for quite some time. I moved to New York, blah, blah. Well, Pumps and I were on the phone the other day, catching up about personal stuff. And we. I went back and did an investigation into this couple that not posted about each other in six months. I think divorce is imminent. Uh, and I mean, it just. It's. It. It happens every single time. Happy couples do not talk to each other on the Internet.

[Angela Dawn]

No, because you live with the person, right?

[Jennifer Welch]

You live with the person. You don't. If Josh was writing. If Josh was writing on my, like, Instagram post, like, I love my mama, blah, blah, blah, I'd be like, what the is wrong with you?

[Angela Dawn]

Call me immediately.

[Jennifer Welch]

It's such performative coupling. And it's. To me, it's. Although I don't want the crazy people to stop because I love it and it makes me feel really emotionally mature, which we all know I'm not. But in the face of their emotional immaturity, I feel super mature.

[Angela Dawn]

I feel really good when I fall, like, because I forget. I don't. I'm not as consistent as I once was looking at my crazy people. But every now and then, I'll just do a recap of all my crazies just to see. See what's going on. And when they've turned it private, I'm

[Jennifer Welch]

like, oh, it's so good.

[Angela Dawn]

It's so good.

[Jennifer Welch]

But it's so good because, you know, there was some form of an intervention, right? So think about. Think about how crazy social media is that people have to intervene because somebody is posting like a cokehead on that. That family members are like, you need to stop. There was that one gal that we followed that was a complete nut job. The one that wore the hats all the time.

[Angela Dawn]

Yes.

[Jennifer Welch]

Just. I mean, just spiraling, spiraling, spiraling on the Internet. And, like, her family and friends had to intervene. It's nuts.

[Angela Dawn]

It's crazy. The people post. And what's interesting about it is, yeah, we like it for fun. But some people comment and are like, you go, girl. Or, that looks good. I'm like, what are they doing? Are they perpetuating the problem because they're like me and they like to watch?

[Jennifer Welch]

Or.

[Angela Dawn]

Or are they. Do they believe what they're saying? Like, this is a great post.

[Jennifer Welch]

They're enablers of crazy. There are. They're crazy people, and then there are crazy enablers that allow the crazy person to run amok. I mean, look no further than the government of the United States of America to confirm that hypothesis. All right, welcome to I've had it. My name is Jennifer. My name is Angie Angela Dawn. The dawning of an angel of an angel. Kylie. Hi.

[Kylie]

I've got a mission statement for you. I'm gonna see if you can guess the company.

[Jennifer Welch]

Okay? Okay.

[Angela Dawn]

Okay.

[Kylie]

Our mission is to identify, educate, train and organize students to promote the principles of freedom, free markets and limited government.

[Jennifer Welch]

Turning point, Turning point.

[Kylie]

Okay, one more.

[Jennifer Welch]

Okay.

[Kylie]

Our deepest purpose as an organization is helping support the health, well being and healing of both people, customers, team members, and business organizations in general and the planet. What company?

[Jennifer Welch]

Amazon?

[Kylie]

Whole Foods?

[Jennifer Welch]

Close. Exactly these companies. I want to start anti mission statement.

[Kylie]

Also,

[Jennifer Welch]

I am up to my eyeballs on these pop ups online.

[Peppermint]

Oh yeah.

[Jennifer Welch]

I go into a website where I want to buy something, right? So I go in and I see the item, about to click on it, and then the pop up comes, join our club. Send us your email, your STD results, your blood type, your, you know, your sign. And I'm just like you, you know, they want all this information from you and all you're wanting to do is spend money, but they, they, that's not enough. Giving these people money isn't enough. They want all the dirt on you. So lo and behold, you get through the, you get past that barrier. I'm like, I don't want to join the club. I'll pay money to not join the club. I'll pay money to not receive emails. I, because I oppose email terrorism as much as I do these mission statements and then you buy the thing and I'm like, they better fucking not email me anything other than the receipt. And then it's just, you're just terrorized in your email box. And the amount of anger that I feel during the day navigating the Internet is overwhelming. That's why I'm really grateful for these emotionally unstable, crazy people that advertise online because it makes me feel like a better person. Their insanity makes me think at least I'm not that person.

[Angela Dawn]

Right?

[Jennifer Welch]

But as I say that, I realize I'm a total hypocrite because this entire podcast is online and our haters, as well as some of our lovers would probably say, you're a fucking hypocrite because you advertise you're crazy all day, every day. And I would say I really can't defend that.

[Angela Dawn]

We always admit that we're hypocrites, though.

[Jennifer Welch]

I know, but we're still hypocrites nonetheless.

[Kylie]

I bet there's a lot of people that watch this show and say, I'm up, but at least I'm not 100.

[Jennifer Welch]

For sure I'm worth that for somebody up, but at least I'm not as up as that gin and pops. And I'd be like, okay, see, okay, pay it forward, pay it forward. Right?

[Kylie]

I've got one review, and Jen, you're just getting trolled so hard by someone who loves you. Okay, this is 5 stars titled Centrist excellence reimagined and exceeded. This is from Chicago, Mark, and he says, it's so refreshing hearing Jen the centrist, or gentrist, as I call her, always stay right dab in the middle of every issue. You never know if she leans more left or right. And that's really what we need right now in Trump's America. Truly the most moderate voice in all of political podcasting. Sure, sometimes I wish she was more progressive or even liberal, but that's what PUMPS is for. When PUMPS goes left, gentrist is there to lead us all. Right, back to the middle. Centrist excellence at its finest.

[Jennifer Welch]

Love marking. Mark from Chicago just knows how to just really poke it there for the new listeners. Like, within the first year of podcasting, would you say, yeah, somebody called me a centrist in one of these comments. It was a long comment, like, and even though she's a centrist, and it was like a pretty effusive comment, like, it was pretty overall five star positive. And at the end pumps like, that's so nice. And I'm like, did they just call me a centrist? Oh, that's all I heard. And I. I think I spiraled about that for at least six months.

[Angela Dawn]

At least six months. Because you spiraled so bad, people started making you T shirts and giving centers to you at our those that would centrist. And then it just dug all back up again.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, yeah, they called me a centrist. God. And I, I just. Now you see the centrists out there in the political landscape, and you know what? It's a total. I'd rather be called a maga cultist than a centrist, because at least the maga cultists believe in something. They believe in the crazy evil they do. Centrists don't believe in anything. It is a pick me. I don't want to. I want make sure I don't, you know, ruffle any feathers. I'm just. I'm a centrist. I don't like either extreme. And it's like, I don't even know what's so extreme about the left.

[Angela Dawn]

Kind of every day I think that more and more, what's so extreme about it?

[Kylie]

For those watching, Jen, look at your name tag on the screen. Can you see it?

[Jennifer Welch]

Interest Such a cunt. It's unbelievable.

[Angela Dawn]

Kylie, five stars.

[Jennifer Welch]

I'm reporting work. I'm reporting you to hr.

[Angela Dawn]

You live with hr.

[Kylie]

Yeah, I've got the N on hr.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah. HR happens to be Kylie's girlfriend Anna I hired to be my assistant and I also put her in charge of the HR department here at I've had a podcast and her first day as the HR director of I've had it podcast, she wore a black sheer shirt and over the boobs were two hands that weren't sheer. And she goes, hi, what do you think about my new HR shirt? And I thought, that is perfect. That's the exact kind of leadership I want in my HR department. And I. I want our mission statement to say we dismantle mission statements. Your mission statement. You. If you came here and you thought we would actually have a mission statement, let never listen to our podcast again, ever.

[Kylie]

I remember that morning that she was HR and she was getting dressed for her HR position and she came out, didn't even acknowledge the shirt at first, but it's just like you said, sheer, two hands over the tits. She said, since I'm hr, should I wear glasses or not watch.

[Jennifer Welch]

All right, I've got a news story.

[Angela Dawn]

Okay.

[Jennifer Welch]

Hooters is getting a rebrand. Pop this up. Hooters is trying to revamp its image with a family friendly vibe. The New York Times reporting the original owners of Hooters, Hooters are moving to reclaim the business with a plan to re hooterize the brand and bring it back to a casual place with a family friendly vibe. We're getting back to what makes us a beach themed restaurant as opposed to a girly bar. Neil Kiefer, the chief executive, said in an interview. Under private equity control, he argued the franchise operators leaned into more more overtly sexual marketing, notably a 2021 decision to introduce uniforms that resembled underwear. There's kids eat free promotion on Saturdays and Hooters branded baby onesies are for sale. Yet it holds the occasional bikini night with servers doing their jobs in swimwear. The name of it is Hooters.

[Angela Dawn]

It tutors. It's always going to be Hooters. Here's the thing. The people that take their families to Hooters don't give a fuck one way or the other. So I don't know who they think is going in there. I mean, I don't the kids eating free. I just don't know who Hooters is. Hooters. That's why people go in there. I. I was just in a Hooters in November because my set, we were in Mexico City and my son needed to pee and there was a Hooters right there. There was nobody in it, but you have. So I bought a coke and he peed know they were still in the same old uniforms, but

[Jennifer Welch]

something about didn't want the uniform that resembled underwear. I mean, haven't they always worn basically short, short orange shorts? And isn't it known like Hooters or. Or tits?

[Angela Dawn]

Right. And you stuff them up in those little white shirts and they're like, you, sir, when you serve the food, it's like a cleavage shot. That's what I always thought.

[Jennifer Welch]

I mean, it's basically like family friendly titty bar is what it is, right? I mean, that's what they want. Like, but. And here's the thing, like, what's interesting about this is he said the company lost their way becoming overly sexualized. You hire women with big tits and good bodies to serve food and drinks. Like, what am I missing here?

[Peppermint]

Right?

[Angela Dawn]

When was it like the cracker barrel of kid friendly? I don't get it. I didn't even know it was beach theme. That's news to me. That's the only thing that surprised me in that they're so stupid.

[Jennifer Welch]

Okay. And then pop this up. Hooters has also been the place for a cultural rite of passage. Some fathers have taken their sons to the restaurant as a kind of initiation into heterosexual masculinity. On a recent night in East BRUNSWICK, Aaron Lapa, 47, was perched at a high top table with his son, his brother and a nephew. It was his son's 12th birthday and he had driven here from Staten island to celebrate. It was a family decision, Lapa said. We brought the wives together to discuss. So straight people are literally bringing their kids to a restaurant to teach them to objectify women. Y But the drag queen story time is the threat. And then also I just want to say our friend Peter Rothcap, also like known as Peter Twinklage on Twitter. His I believe it was his grandpa took him to Hooters because they were trying to ungay him. So a lot of gay men have reported that like their grandparents or their dad thinks they're gay, so they take them to Hooters. And in Peter's article, he also wrote for the New York Times, when the grandpa went to the restroom, the waitress sat down with him and said, I know, honey, I love you just the way you are. They. These guys do do this to. To gay boys all the time. Like basically comforted him and when Peter's story came out, he was flooded with responses from several other gay men whose d dads and or grandparents and or peers took them to Hooters to try to, like, ungay them. So the whole rebrand, that somehow this is a family restaurant. And it doesn't surprise me at all that this rebrand would happen in the middle of the Trump administration. That the Big Titty restaurant is a family restaurant. I wonder if Big Titty Brian can get a job there. The husband. Oh, my gosh.

[Angela Dawn]

That's the best idea I've heard.

[Jennifer Welch]

What was his? He wanted to be a trans bimbo named Crystal.

[Angela Dawn]

Was it Crystal?

[Jennifer Welch]

I think it was Crystal.

[Angela Dawn]

Candy.

[Jennifer Welch]

I think it's Crystal. Crystal with a K. The very first,

[Angela Dawn]

like porn on Skinemax. My girlfriend and I watched when we were like in sixth grade. It wasn't like a porn. It was Skinnimax. So I don't know if that. But anyway, her name was Candy Cane. So I always think of Candy instead of Crystal. I think that's just a personal anecdote nobody asked for.

[Jennifer Welch]

Was that your first foyer into lesbian porn?

[Angela Dawn]

No, I think it was straight. I think it was. They were having sex in a hay barn.

[Jennifer Welch]

I'm impressed that you remember such details. Did the woman have large breasts? Did Candy Cane have large breasts?

[Angela Dawn]

I think she was in hooter shorts.

[Jennifer Welch]

All right, that was the intro to our show. Stay with us during this commercial break and then when we get back, back in studio. Joining us is Peppermint. So stay tuned and we'll be right back. All right. Are you sick of all of the makeup that is like caked on and you just look. Don't even look like yourself? I have the antidote for all of this, and it is Jones Road beauty. And the best thing about it, it shrinks your get ready time because you don't even have to use brushes. You can use your fingers, rub it in and go. And every formula of Jones Road beauty is packed with skin loving ingredients. It actually nourishes your skin instead of clogging and caking. And once I started simplifying my routine with one of my favorite products of theirs, Miracle Balm, I realized some days I still want a little more coverage just without going back to a full complicated makeup routine. And Jones Road actually just launched their foundation stick that fits perfectly into my new wishes listener. Modern day makeup that's clean, strategic, and multifunctional for effortless routines. For a limited time, our listeners are getting a free gift on their first purchase when they use code hat it at checkout. Just head to Jonesroadbeauty.com and use code had it at checkout. After you purchase, they will ask where you heard about them. Please support our show and tell them that we sent you. Joining me today is my very good friend, Peppermint. She is a dynamic actress, singer and Broadway performer whose work spans television, music and cultural storytelling. She is a trusted and expert voice on issues impacting transgender communities and serves as the ACLU's first artist ambassador for trans justice, using her platform to foster understanding, visibility, meaningful dialogue, and I'm going to editorialize here a little bit. And fabulousness. Peppermint.

[Peppermint]

Hi. Finally, we're here together on camera. I love it. Hello, gorgeous.

[Jennifer Welch]

Hello, gorgeous. We first met at the GLAAD Awards.

[Peppermint]

Yes, we did.

[Jennifer Welch]

And I asked you if you had had it with white women.

[Peppermint]

The sentence was longer than that.

[Jennifer Welch]

I said had it or hit it. White women had it. Had it. Oh, my gosh. I'm so happy.

[Peppermint]

I'm happy to be here.

[Jennifer Welch]

I know, I know. Okay, what have you had it with, Peppermint?

[Peppermint]

I have had it with. Let's just jump right in. I've had it with people who think that trans people only think about trans issues.

[Jennifer Welch]

Very fantastic grievance because from what I can see, the people who think about trans issues more than anybody are conservative MAGA people. That's all they fucking talk about.

[Peppermint]

That's all they talk about. They are obsessed for many reasons we could get into. But yeah, the trans community is obviously, there's lots of prejudice and discrimination going around. All of this thinking that the Republicans and conservatives are doing about trans people and about queer people in general is really damaging. It has real life impacts. Their move to their fight against dei, which results in people losing access to healthcare, people losing access to their jobs, people not being able to have proper identification. It really is far reaching and very damaging. That being said, all these issues that affect trans people that you hear as a transgender issue, really, when you boil it down, are just about a regular person getting to have access to the things that we all need. Housing, food, health care, a job. That's what it means. I don't want some trans discriminatory law to go out because it's going to stop me from being able to hold a job, from being able to have fair housing. All these things that everyone fights for and should have in what's supposed to be every country.

[Jennifer Welch]

It's. It's insane. And I started digging. I've had theories about a lot of this stuff for Quite some time. The obsession with Republicans, maga Republicans, towards LGBTQ plus issues is like nothing I've ever seen. And I get in fights sometimes with Democrats on my podcast who want to throw the trans community under the bus and capitulate to right wing framing surrounding it. And instead of playing defense, I don't understand when we don't play offense and say, why are you guys so obsessed with trans people? It's not normal to be this obsessed with a group of people. So I, I dabbled around on the Internet one day, okay, And I found a study, and they found all of the trans porn hotspots, Peppermint, they were all these bright red counties with the number one consuming county of transport, Lawton, Oklahoma.

[Peppermint]

I know. And that also coincides with all of the anti trans bills and laws that are on the books is in Oklahoma. You know, there is an obsession, and I think that there's something to be said for people who are extremely conservative in any sort of like Western patriarchal society, having, you know, like sort of these really, really, really strict, what they would call moral values, that women should be this way, men are this way, and having this sort of binary thinking. Everything's just so black and white and simple. And human beings are not simple. Human beings are complex. And so any human being, regardless of how you identify politically or sexually or in your gender identity, every human is complex. And so even conservatives who subscribe to, like being extremely religious and extremely this and extremely just simple, all men are this, all women are that. Even conservatives can't really hold hold to that. And so they end up doing what is more human now, unfortunately, they end up betraying their humanity because they're actually attacking those people that they are either attracted to or drawn to fetishizing, which is harmful.

[Jennifer Welch]

It is harmful. You know, I think it's important to point out that conservatives give birth to children that are LGBTQ at the same rates that a liberal would, which is around 10% of the population. When you get to trans issues, it's less than 1%. And now there's this hyper fixation on your community that is relentless, dangerous and fatal. It is. It is a fatal attack on a group of very marginalized people. Particularly when you get to black trans women. The numbers are really devastating. Can you speak about that as a black trans woman?

[Peppermint]

Yeah. I mean, yet again, we are in a situation where historically black trans women, black trans people stand at the intersection of anti black racism and misogyny and homophobia.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yep.

[Peppermint]

And so that those sort of issues crisscross through the trans community, and particularly for trans women in a way that, that stops us again from being able to access the things we need. And many, unfortunately, historically, many black trans women have been forced to make a decision when they've been, you know, shut out of work and shut out of different opportunities. They've been forced to make the decision to engage in survival, sex, work. And that's something that I think has impacted the community. It has lasting impacts in the community and for individuals. But this obsession with trans issues, like you said, it is fatal. And the lack of protection that we should get from who are people who should be progressives. These are people that campaign on progressive ideals and then they turn around and they admit after, not admit, but actually coalesce or acquiesce to the right and saying, yeah, the reason why we lost is the election is because of, we were too woke and we focus on trans issues too much. When the Harris campaign did not champion. I'm not saying Kamala Harris was anti trans, but that was not included in her platform anywhere. I was looking for it. I was working with the campaign saying, right now there are many, many anti trans policies that were happening in the state level, even despite the fact that Donald Trump was not in office. But his rhetoric really, and probably his first term really allowed people to, at the state level to start attacking the trans community years ago. And so we were seeing that attack really, really sort of take hold and end up result in hundreds of anti trans bills and policies. And it kind of started with the like attack on drag.

[Jennifer Welch]

Do you remember? Oh, yes.

[Peppermint]

We're like, we don't want drag queens reading. We don't want drag queens, you know, breaking into our house. We don't want drag queens, you know, scamming, whatever. And they're not, they're not doing anything. They're not, they're in a dress at the thing, reading a book.

[Jennifer Welch]

All you have to do is not go to a drag show.

[Peppermint]

Just don't go to a drag show.

[Jennifer Welch]

It's simple.

[Peppermint]

But they were able to use that as their anti trans introduction. And people sort of like slyly moved over from drag issues to trans issues. Suddenly it became about gender ideology and gender this and gender that. And philosophically, theoretically it does have harmful impacts that are longer lasting. But immediately it has devastating impacts for black trans women who don't have access and who aren't as institutionally secure.

[Jennifer Welch]

Right.

[Peppermint]

And so that is, that's a problem. The thing that is the more devastating for me is that so many people spend so much time talking about the trans community on every channel. It's like, it's top of, it's on the top 10 list for sure. Maybe even top five. Yeah, obviously top one in Oklahoma.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, it is, it is top one in Oklahoma.

[Peppermint]

But what we're not doing is talking about the black trans women who are viciously murdered brutally on a weekly basis. We don't talk about their lives as if they have any value and we're not really acknowledging the circumstances that can get them killed. And a lot of times the murders are at the hands of people in the community, people in their local communities, wherever they live, who are their romantic partners or boyfriends or people who they're engaged in sex work with, you know, and beyond that, then trans women will sometimes have a really dangerous interaction with law enforcement and the police. And what my fear is that this new sweep, this new sort of like emboldening of ice and placing trans people on the terror watch list or whatever they're doing will really impact people when they have interactions with law enforcement that can be even more dangerous and more deadly. And so it's a mess. It's a mess.

[Jennifer Welch]

Let's unpack a little bit here. I want to talk about trans kids because where I'm from in Oklahoma, that whole binary world you're talking about of, you know, you're a Christian, you're a boy, you're a girl, you're a Republican. It was very defined. Fortunately for me. I grew up by an open minded parents atheist and I was never indoctrinated into any of this. My mother and I had a trans hairdresser in the 1980s. Oh yes, my mother is. Yes. But I watched this before. This issue was so frontier culture war issues. It was either 60 Minutes or advice episode probably about 10 years ago. And it was a woman in Alabama and she was raising her trans daughter and she was Christian evangelical, this mom and Republican, all the stuff you're supposed to be in Alabama. And she has this born son who is identifying as a girl. So there were spankings, there were times out timeout, there was abuse, there was prayers, there was just a lot of things that the community that she did, her family did and then her church at large did to this little girl. And finally this mother said I had to save my child. And now my family doesn't speak to me, now my church doesn't speak to me, but my daughter is safe and who she wants to be. And so, because I think we need to normalize talking about this where, where it happens before it gets to the place where we have people that are getting viciously murdered. Can you share with my audience, with your. With my listeners, about your experience and what happened to you when you were little and what would have helped you so that anybody who's listening here that has a grandchild or a friend, who maybe has somebody on the gender spectrum, how can we as a society raise our awareness, educate ourselves about gender and about the best way to embrace children who are presenting a certain way instead of punishing them so viciously?

[Peppermint]

I think a lot of this really does fall down to, obviously, fear.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, yeah.

[Peppermint]

And I. I watch plenty of interviews and hear people talking about, like, their opinions about trans kids or transgender people in general and the influence and influence of the community on someone who they think could become trans. And the fear in their voice. It seems as though they're expressing a fear that that child could become trans or could become gay or could be influenced into being something that they are not. And then beyond that, I hear a lot of people advocating and saying, well, you know, you shouldn't get surgery because if you do, you shouldn't have. You know, you shouldn't have gender affirming care, because if you do, what if you want to change your mind? What if in 10 years, what if in 100 years, what if in a million years? And I understand that perspective. I also know that there are people who do parents and guardians or adults who do unfortunately contribute to a very anti trans and anti queer sort of atmosphere that then turn around and say, well, I don't want you to be gay or queer or trans because you might get bullied not realizing that they are contributing to that same energy. But ultimately, I think the thing that would have. I came out as trans as a young adult and didn't really have access. I mean, I tried to come out somewhere.

[Jennifer Welch]

When did you feel that?

[Peppermint]

I never. I've always felt.

[Jennifer Welch]

You've never not felt it?

[Peppermint]

Yeah. The only thing that was different was how I was perceived by other people. And I knew, like, I'm well aware of who I am, how I was born and all this, but I also knew how I felt. And it just didn't work for me. And I was. The only way I can explain it is I had this. I was a happy child. Like, I was like, I would laugh and joke and stuff, but, like, underneath there was like an underlying sadness that was just always there until I was able to really click into who I am and express that. And I think every human being knows what it's like to want every. I Hear so many human beings, regardless of their political affiliation, that they want to be accepted for who they are. Everybody. Trans people do, too, of course. And that is, I think, at the crux of this conversation. And when a parent is trying to figure out, like, what the best thing is to do. And. No, we have to understand that so much of the fear that parents have and people who are naysayers of the trans community are listening to everybody but trans people on this issue.

[Jennifer Welch]

Totally. Yeah.

[Peppermint]

Like, they don't. Statistically, most people don't personally know someone who's trans. You know, a lot of you can hear it in how they're talking about it, saying they're coming in and they're. They're riding on elephants and like, they're just like this. It's like, what are you talking about? Like, that's not what's happening.

[Jennifer Welch]

They make it sound, if you listen to fogs, like, y' all are this organized drug cartel.

[Peppermint]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Welch]

With all of these weapons going into schools and like, peppermint go down, you're like, I've got her shot. Trans.

[Angela Dawn]

Boom. Trans.

[Jennifer Welch]

Like, you're shooting trans bullets into kids like a ninja. It's fucking crazy.

[Peppermint]

It's wild. And I also want to, you know, like, we can specifically look at the numbers when it comes to that misinformation, because we just talked, you know, about shootings. And I want to be, you know, reverent of the fact that there are so many school shootings that happen, so many mass shootings that happen in our country, you know, we top the list. There's a mass shooting, statistically, that happens every day, I think. And right now, what we're doing is we're watching people who are conservative and who are anti trans, basically blaming the entire trans community, Joe Rogan, for every single school shooting that's ever happened, trying to sort of, like, convince us that every trans. Every single shooting that's ever happened has been done by a trans person.

[Jennifer Welch]

I have the numbers on this. It's four that are trans and then the rest that mass shootings, it's in the thousands. And Joe Rogan is a huge presenter of this misinformation with an assist from his friend Elon Musk. And this just all contributes to this propaganda surrounding trans people. When. When I think back to growing up in the 80s, you. We all. This whole gender binary thing, the way they're. It's trying to be defined so forcefully right now by the right wing. It didn't even really exist that much back then, because I remember the phrases if there was a girl who was kind of mask presenting, and I hope I don't say anything wrong, that we would say she's a tomboy.

[Peppermint]

Yeah.

[Jennifer Welch]

And then if there was a little boy that was a little bit effeminate, we would say, well, boy, he sure is lighting his loafers.

[Peppermint]

Light his loafers. Little Nelly.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, well, yeah. And so it was just, it was something that we accepted. And now it's like on steroids with these men and the Trump regime trying to be so masculine all of the time. And it's so nauseating and it's so

[Peppermint]

performative, and it's totally like, we can totally see through it. And, you know, I understand that people have this fear of the unknown. And so much of what we're hearing, particularly with like, for instance, the school shooter issue, we can see in the numbers that that's actually not what's happening. And what we're hearing now as a result of, like, this supposed epidemic of transgender shooters that's false. Is talking about taking away guns, talking about limiting people's access to their Second Amendment rights. And it is really ironic that people who are conservative are the ones who are purporting taking away Second Amendment rights. Now, I know there's a lot of people who are, like, caught up in it and saying, well, we have to do something. But just take a step back and understand that all of this complaining that people were doing about wanting to protect the Second Amendment and not have anyone come for our guns, it's going to be the Democrats, it's going to be the this, it's going to be whoever it's going to be. Right now. Listen to yourself and realize that you are on the side of the, of taking Second Amendment. If you are coming for a certain group of people, I'm not talking about one person who's barred. That person is on a list. I'm talking about transgender people in general because they're trans losing access potentially to Second Amendment rights. That is the government fucking with Second Amendment. And now you're on the side of taking away the guns.

[Jennifer Welch]

Well, and let's talk about how we have seen little kids killed in their classrooms. Nobody will do anything about it. Nothing about it. But the threat of this, this made up lie perpetuated by Joe Rogan and Elon Musk to all of their idiotic dipshit followers. And yes, I called you all dipshits and idiots. And I'll tell you that's right. Then it's like, okay, now we're gonna do something about it. It's just the hypocrisy. But I want to talk to you about. Because the gun segue right into this at one thing that you emailed us about. You've had it with pro corporate musings of influencers who are obsessed with trying to convince us that instead of holding politicians accountable, just trust whoever looks like you, as long as they are wearing blue. Go off on this, honey.

[Peppermint]

I mean, I'm just. I am. I guess I've had it with people who. It's a different era. I think we can all agree it's a different era. Politically. The rules have changed. Pardon me? The rules have absolutely changed. It used to be back in the day where if they were Democrat, they're good to go. They feel the same as me. And I knew, like, if somebody was black and running for any office, vote for them because they're gonna be on the. They understand me, they understand my community. But right now, especially with how much money is flowing through politics, all bets are off. It doesn't matter what your identity is. We can see you would say if there's a person who's really high profile, who's trans, should we trust them politically? Should we get them to office? Ten years ago we might have said yes. But if I told you that person's name is Caitlyn Jenner, there's a lot of people like, actually, no. Actually, no. Well, guess what? If it happens for the trans community, it can happen for black folks, women, disabled people, whoever, you name it. And so identity is really important when it comes to being able to understand and hold sort of empathy for people. But identity alone cannot be a reason to follow somebody into off of a cliff. And so what we really need to do, I think, as people who are progressive, is understand the difference between being on the left, being a leftist and being a Democrat, being a progressive, being a liberal and being a centrist. And we have to understand, and I know a lot of people don't, that just because it says the name Democrat doesn't mean it's on the left or progressive at all. American politics is very center right focused and that's just the way it is. Because if the people who were the, quote, opposition were really the opposition, they would have as much fire to get things done as what we're seeing the Republicans doing. Who are getting things done.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, they're wrecking the shit out of everything.

[Peppermint]

Yeah. Meanwhile, the people that are in the center who are sort of like the thought leaders or whoever, are sitting there attacking people on the left and convincing you know, everyone just stick with the status quo. Don't rock the boat. And using identity as a shield for criticisms, for very real criticisms that need to happen. I don't care who you are. I understand now because of Citizens United and the Heritage foundation, that these organizations work in tandem to flood money into politics and then completely do things like reverse access to our constitutional rights. So if the person. If they decide that they're gonna put a black person in front to usher that in, I don't care what you look like, I don't want you in. If you're taking money, I don't want you in. If you can't say no to war, if you're not anti war, anti genocide, I don't want you in.

[Angela Dawn]

I agree.

[Peppermint]

Those are my personal. That's where I am personally on this. And I am so frustrated with the leftist. Not leftist, with the centrist people who look blue, but all they do is attack the left.

[Jennifer Welch]

I have a great thing. So everything you said is so smart and a lot smarter than I've been saying it recently. I boiled this down to two groups. Pimps and hoes.

[Peppermint]

Okay, honey, I might have been one or the other.

[Jennifer Welch]

One of these pimps are the Heritage Foundation. Pimps are big gun, big pharma, big tech, Israel, aipac. Hoes are all of the politicians that take money from the pimps.

[Peppermint]

They are. And they.

[Jennifer Welch]

So here are some hoes we have. J.D. vance is the biggest prostitute this country has. Peter Thiel bought him, took him off to Silicon Valley, queer eyed him, sent him back as vp. He looks a lot better after he went to gay camp with Peter Thiel. But he is the country's biggest prostitute. But we also have. In the Democrats Party, we have some hoes. Chuck Schumer. Ho, Ho. Hakeem Jeffries, ho. They're taking money from the same pimps that pay maggots.

[Peppermint]

It's the same.

[Jennifer Welch]

We cannot vote for pimps or hoes. I don't care if you're.

[Peppermint]

Now, if you're a classic pimp in a hoe, I'm. I'm in support of decriminalizing sex work. I am, I am.

[Jennifer Welch]

I am.

[Peppermint]

But if you. Now, if you're just getting paid to go do a little in the back, that's different.

[Jennifer Welch]

If you.

[Peppermint]

If you're taking away our rights and changing the access to the constitutional rights and protections that we have, then that's the wrong kind of hoe.

[Jennifer Welch]

If. If you're earning your money on your back, earnestly, I support you and I'd probably vote for you.

[Peppermint]

Hey, honestly, I really would.

[Jennifer Welch]

I honestly would. And I would rather earn my money on my back than be a hoe like chuckles, like J.D. vance, like little Moses, Mike Grinder Johnson. I just. Peppermint drag her.

[Peppermint]

Cheers.

[Jennifer Welch]

Cheers. This is Peppermint's Tea. Tell my listeners about your tea. This is a commercial break. Go off Peppermint.

[Peppermint]

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[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, I love that because I don't drink.

[Peppermint]

Yeah, my. Me neither. Ooh. But the, the best part about this is every single. A portion of every single sale of this tea goes to advocates for trans equality. I love that trans focused, trans led organization that focuses on quality of life issues for the trans community, protecting us with our passports, our identification, name changes, legal access to voting, all these different things that are on the, on the table right now. And so get yourself some tea. If you're not drinking this, then your tea is transphobic, honey. That's what I have to say.

[Jennifer Welch]

Speaking of passports, why don't you update us on Caitlyn Jenner's Darling Denied.

[Peppermint]

You know, I mean, I have very little empathy. Sympathy. I have very little sympathy. I can empathize with her, but I have very little sympathy for someone who's going to. Who fails to see her contribution to this situation that we're all in right now. That being said, I don't want to misgender Caitlyn Jenner. No, I don't. She's a woman. I don't want her to not have access to a passport. Not on the, maybe on the grounds that she killed someone, but not on the grounds that she is trans. You know, and so I want her to have the same access and the same rights as everyone else. And it seems as though she would be perfectly happy and a lot of people who, especially even those centrist liberals, would be perfectly happy. Centrist liberal.

[Jennifer Welch]

She's like the biggest, most disgusting insult.

[Peppermint]

Centrist liberals perfectly happy having these rules for thee and not for me, where they're like, as long as I have access to whatever it is, then I'm okay. As long as I'm not involved in a genocide, it's okay. As long as I'm not losing access to this or that, it's okay. And the centrist liberals are the very first people when people are chirping online because most of the conversations we have is online are the very first people to sit around. I only hear them talk about the trans community two and a half times a year. Once is when you are criticizing a establishment politician. Then they'll be like, well, you better not criticize them because they're the only ones who are going to save you. Meanwhile, look what's happening, right? The other time is when they, when you are like trying your best to advocate against war and genocide, people be like, well, don't, you know, if you're like against, against Islamophobia and anti Islam hate. Well, don't be, you know, don't be protecting the Islamic people and Muslim people because they would throw you off a building. Honey, what are you talking about? They're not, you know, like, this is. That's the only time that I hear these centrist liberals even announcement mention the trans community. Could you say something about the attacks on the trans community that are currently happening right now? Can you say something about the fact that trans people are being put on a terror watch list and being blamed for everything? Can you do something about that? State by state by state, they are. Not only did they start in Kansas, but now there's six or seven states that have overnight revoked access to trans people's licenses and their birth certificates.

[Jennifer Welch]

And then here's what's important to point out. Trans people do not disappear. It doesn't like, it's so like, what is the end game here? All you're doing, it's institutionalized bullying. And again, as we mentioned at the top of the episode, it can be fatal. It can. This, this type of legislation can be fatal. But let me have you explain this. And I try to explain this to my audience all the time. My audience agrees. I think for the most part, yeah, they're good. So when you have universal human rights, you as a trans person cannot throw Palestinians under the bus. You cannot be dismissive of Islamophobia if you want people to take seriously anti black racism. And so when we have a Democrat politician who is really good on a lot of issues, but then the genocide comes up, for me, this is a red flag. Because if they're willing to throw little kids in a very poor country that have nothing under the bus, what's going to make them not move the goal posts and then and start marginalizing and attacking more groups?

[Peppermint]

Money hoes.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, Exact hoes.

[Peppermint]

Yeah, we are. Listen, when it's on the simplest, regardless of where you fall on the simplest of terms, I thought we were at a point where seeing Children being burned alive is something we can all agree we don't want to happen.

[Jennifer Welch]

I thought so, too.

[Peppermint]

Some people might just say that they don't want to see it, but I don't want to see it because I don't want it to be happening. So if we can start there, imagine someone who can be paid by a corporation to turn an eye, a blind eye against that. Imagine someone who you think is a principled person being able to have their moral compass adjusted to fit what a corporate PAC wants it to be. And people need to realize. They should realize, I think, that they do. That corporations do not have our best interest at heart. No, they want to pollute the water, pollute the air, pollute the cellless chemicals in our food.

[Jennifer Welch]

Not pay you anything.

[Peppermint]

Not pay you anything, take away your access to housing or make the houses. Everything involves corporations. And capitalism gets smaller and smaller and smaller. The products get worse and worse and worse and get more and more expensive. Honey, I went to go get some damn ice cream the other day. I'm used to having a pint of ice cream. This is a pint of ice cream. They're not even pints anymore. They're 14 ounces. A pint is 16 ounces. They're not even a pint anymore. They're smaller and now they're $8. They used to be like 4. 75. That's what I mean. That's. I don't mean to, you know, belittle the conversation of genocide. I'm just saying that corporations, everything corporations touch, for the most part, just ends

[Jennifer Welch]

up exploitation and profit.

[Peppermint]

That's what it is. And so why would you want somebody who wants to cozy up to that if their job is to, as an elected official, advocate on behalf of people?

[Jennifer Welch]

This is. You know, I got in this big fight with Cory Booker on the podcast.

[Peppermint]

Oh, honey, that episode, Honey, I'm done with her.

[Jennifer Welch]

Oh, I know. Because here's my thing. As a progressive person that lived in Oklahoma City, I saw firsthand how destructive the MAGA super majorities are. I have friends who just recently move. They have a trans daughter. They had to move out of Oklahoma to California because they cannot raise that child there because it trickles down. The bullying trickles down. Other kids would bully, you know, the schools, etc. And so back in the day, back in the day, I would see Cory Booker. And I think, I mean, this man's a dream. He's good looking, he's progressive. I really had this like, like, warm feeling about him. And then you find out that Israel broke him and that he's a hoe and he takes money from the pimps. And then you think anything he says from that point, moving forward about the lgbtq, about anti black racism, to me, it's all watered down. How do you feel as a black trans woman when you see somebody like Cory Booker talking about equality and all of the things? How does that make you feel? It kind of goes to one of your grievances here.

[Peppermint]

It's only I. I see our identities being trotted out and used only as this shield or this protection or as an excuse when they're making a statement about something where invoking transness serves their argument but doesn't really call them to put in the work. I don't care if you. I remember when Obama was elected and the first time he mentioned the LGBT community in a speech. I think historically it was the first time a president's ever done that. I remember, honey, I was running through the streets. I was celebrating. I was like, oh, we did it. It's over. We got it. Little did I know, right, that we had so much further to go. And that is not enough. We hear politicians mentioning the LGBT community from time to time, and, you know, certainly not enough. But, you know, they're not putting in the work. They're not actually performing the actions that they were elected to do to protect their constituents. They're voters. And that is a problem for me. I would much rather have someone who maybe they say, I don't necessarily like trans people. I don't know anybody, and it doesn't really mean anything to me, but I want every single person in this country to have access to healthcare and housing and food and this. Everybody, if we can agree on that. I don't care what you think of me. You don't need to come to my show.

[Jennifer Welch]

I think that a way around. Because this issue I acknowledge, for people that live in rural America that have been told, this is the only way you people exist, this is the only way the world is, and then they hear, you know, all about, you know, all this trans ideology and all this crazy shit's going on, that they'd be like, well, what the. A politician that truly is a decent person that really cared about the country, their faith or whatever, all the stuff they trot out, all the platitudes would say, you don't have to understand it. You get to think it's weird. Yeah. You get to think, well, that's some weird shit, but you cannot take away rights from people. People. And so when Democrats. I had that Rahm Emanuel on my podcast. And he said, yeah, and he said, you know, we Democrats shouldn't be talking about the bathroom issues. We should be talking about the kitchen table issues. And I thought I kind of lost it on him. I was just like. Because I just saw like. Do you believe in anything? Are you kidding me? You're throwing a community under the bus because you think it's a political transaction. And it's so gross. Peppermint.

[Peppermint]

It's disgusting. And fine, let's talk about kitchen table issues. Let's talk about making sure that corporations don't. Aren't able to interfere in our elections. That we people can have enough pay like a wage that actually helps them. But Rahma, Manny, you don't want to talk about that either.

[Jennifer Welch]

Newsflash. Trans people have kitchen tape. The same. We got kitchen tape. Tissue. Yes. That's the thing. When the Democrats do that. And I don't know what. I don't know what they're going to do. I know it's going to take. Lose, not fight. Fold.

[Peppermint]

Yeah.

[Angela Dawn]

Hello.

[Jennifer Welch]

Okay. All right, let's play. Had it or Hit it. Had it or Hit it. Salt and pepper packets.

[Peppermint]

Had it. Had it. Listen, I love it. Why is there not enough pepper in the packet? There's all this salt and then when you go to get your food, you know, you get your mouth all fixed up to have a nice to go meal. Cause we live in New York, honey. We're cosmopolitan. We're on the go. And you open up your seasoning packet, your little salt and pepper, and the pepper has like three granules of pepper in there, honey. Why don't they put the same amount? I don't get it.

[Jennifer Welch]

Corporate greed. Corporate greed.

[Peppermint]

What else would it be? Corporate greed, capitalism.

[Jennifer Welch]

It probably had it. And probably those three pepper specks are just carcinogens.

[Peppermint]

It's not even real pepper. It's pepper flavoring. Girl, girl, girl, you know it's not pepper. That's not pepper. Oh, Lord.

[Jennifer Welch]

All right. Had it.

[Peppermint]

Carcinogens. Fill it up with.

[Jennifer Welch]

You've gone on this again, but I have to ask you again, had it or hit it. Centris.

[Peppermint]

I'm over the Centris. I'm over the Centris. I'm. The jig is up. We know who you are. I see you. You are only working for capital. You are only working for your own very, very, very close issues. And you're not willing to risk anything for the greater good. And I have a problem with that because it doesn't seem like it's geared towards humankind. It doesn't seem like it's geared towards ultimate empathy. It's geared. It's in this mindset of like. Like, we're just gonna, like, keep the status quo and pick me. Yeah. Keep it. It's like, it's all about respectability, politics, and just like, let's just look and act like we're nice and be cordial and say yes, ma' am and please and thank you. And that is all. That's it. Who cares if you're dying in the street? Who cares if you can't afford. Just be nice. Come. Don't come in here being, you know, rowdy. Be really nice. When you're telling people that you don't have any money and that you're getting evicted and you're starving. Just be thankful. Like, that's the centrist way and I can't with that. Incremental change. Do not lie to me and tell me that incremental change is. That is what we have to have. We have not. Honey, these right wing people and these conservatives are not moving in any increments.

[Jennifer Welch]

No, they don't fuck around.

[Peppermint]

There's no increments to be. It's not. Honey, by the time you look here, they're all the way down the line. Oh, yeah. And so we know now that that's not true. Incremental change is not true. And the only thing that's the through line is seeing these progressive establishment Democrat politicians say, oh, well, you lost, we lost, but let's raise money. And I'll be here in 10 years and we'll still be losing, but just let's raise money. Oh, Gay pride. I'll march at the parade. Yay. Okay, that's that. Oh, you can't get married. But I Gay pride. Oh, you can't have your rights. Oh, they just took the right away. Oh, now you can't have an abortion. Oh, oh, I respect women. Can you raise money? We're still losing. We have a new game.

[Jennifer Welch]

Well, you know, I get angry when I get irrational. I like to think about doing things like this. And I would imagine that this is the way the leftists would govern if they had kind of a MAGA style psychosis. Okay, so you and I get into the White House, okay, And I'm going to be like, rom, you didn't support trans issues. Absolutely zero LGBTQ plus in your life. If there's a movie that one LGBTQ person worked in, I don't care if it's a makeup artist, a hairdresser, you're banned from watching it. No Mexican restaurants for anybody in the Bible Belt. You like, you don't like black people, but you watch sports.

[Kylie]

You.

[Jennifer Welch]

You can't watch sports anymore. I would just start banning them all from doing anything that they enjoyed that contributes to our beautiful multiculturalism now.

[Peppermint]

What a bland life that would be.

[Jennifer Welch]

Cooler heads prevail. And I wouldn't, you know, obviously do that, but I think about it all the time. Like, imagine what this city or any city would be without the LGBTQ community. Imagine what sports would be like, acting would be like. Just your everyday life without black people or immigrants. We don't have that much, but what America has is multi culturalism. That's our culture.

[Peppermint]

Preach, honey. That's it. You know, but in addition to that, like you said, this just occurred to me. We're not going to disappear, right? Like, we don't disappear. Black folks aren't going to disappear. Immigrants are going to disappear, Mexican folks, disabled folks, trans folks. We're not going to disappear.

[Jennifer Welch]

So we have to ban the whites.

[Peppermint]

The whites disappear. Let's try that. We've been. We've been. Let me, Let me stop. Let me stop. I'm gonna get dragged. But one thing I do want to say is I think that they are, okay, they like the.

[Jennifer Welch]

That.

[Peppermint]

Listen, they know that these human beings are going to disappear. But how much more desperate will this group of human beings be to accept the little crumbs that we give them if we can make sure that they don't have access to the equality that we're all that says we're supposed to have in the Constitution? And so that's what ends up happening, is these people who are anti trans up here, they like the fact that we're losing access to all these different things that make our lives better. Because they don't want to see a trans person prevail and be prosperous. They want to see a trans person out in the street who's just desperate for any little thing that you'll give me. Because then they have control over us. When we're desperate, we have control. Like when women weren't able to work out of the home and couldn't help have their own bank accounts and couldn't have. Certainly couldn't make decisions about their own bodies, but they were stuck in these marriages that they couldn't get out of. They were desperate. And so then you're not thinking about getting your freedom or trying to be prosperous. You're just thinking about, how am I gonna have a roof over my head? Well, I better do what this man'. And then we saw women were marrying people that they would have never wanted to marry just to have a place to live. And they were like, okay, I'll raise kids. I'm not, I'm not disparaging having a family. People do that and they love it and all these different things. I have no kids. But there were certainly women who were, who were like queer or whatever they were in the 50s, who were stuck in these relationships, who didn't want to be in these relationships. And then they were going to key parties and swinging at night because they were like, I gotta do something. And that was like a widespread thing. Well, it's not as big anymore, I think, at least not on the surface, because people can make their own decisions. And they're trying to roll that back because they see these men in power, see that when people can make their own decisions, they're not desperate. And then they, then they're not paying attention to us and uplifting our mediocrity.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah. And then maybe they don't like men as much.

[Peppermint]

Hello.

[Jennifer Welch]

I mean, you've heard about all this. Like, I'll tell you what's happening in the Bible Belt right now. I've never seen so many middle aged women switching teams. They are flat out switching teams. I mean, women I knew that were married, three kids, next thing you know, they're married to a woman. I'm like, what? I'm telling you, this midlife lesbianism is just really on the rise in the Bible Belt.

[Peppermint]

Thank goodness for that.

[Jennifer Welch]

Moving along. Had it or hit it? Sucking your teeth in powder public, can't stand it.

[Peppermint]

I sit in a car or wherever I am. Whether you're in a car, on the train, wherever. A close proximity with a stranger, a lot of times he's a man.

[Jennifer Welch]

Give us an example. People do that in Oklahoma all the time.

[Peppermint]

There's nothing in. What's in your tooth, sir.

[Jennifer Welch]

They do like this. They got a toothpick and they'll go, darling, I'll tell you what, let me get this meal.

[Peppermint]

Sir.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah.

[Peppermint]

Sir, go brush your tooth. What's going on, honey? Is there something. Did you get it? Did you get it? Do you need my help? Do you need my help? Like, I don't get. I just. It really, really. It burns my britches.

[Jennifer Welch]

All right. Had it or hit it. White women. Present.

[Peppermint]

Had it with the white women.

[Jennifer Welch]

Who.

[Peppermint]

Okay.

[Kylie]

Who.

[Peppermint]

Okay. Who do not see their place in dismantling anti black racism in exchange for pro white feminism. There are white women who think I Mean, we saw in the 20s, women got the right to vote in our country. Black women were left behind. Black women were involved in that fight, but left behind for another, what, 30, 40 years, until the 60s, which is being attacked again. We need white women to stand up and realize that their place in the patriarchy is not suitable as an exchange for throwing all these other communities under the bus and being able to be the woman who's in charge of the corporation that's kicking people out of their homes and poisoning the water and polluting the atmosphere. That's not. You're not winning.

[Jennifer Welch]

How do you think Kristi Nunn's doing learning this lesson right now?

[Peppermint]

I don't think about that bitch. I don't know. I think that she did. She just stepped down or get fired. I don't.

[Jennifer Welch]

I believe she was fired and then placed in charge of the shield or something.

[Peppermint]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jennifer Welch]

And then her husband is. I call Big Titty Brian.

[Peppermint]

Titty titty, tatasha, Tatasha Titty Brian.

[Jennifer Welch]

So he said to his dominatrix, I saw the.

[Peppermint]

I listened to the video, the recording.

[Jennifer Welch]

He wanted to be a trans bimbo, bimbo, slut named Crystal. And here's the thing.

[Peppermint]

He wants to be his wife.

[Jennifer Welch]

I would.

[Peppermint]

That's what it sounds like.

[Jennifer Welch]

It does. And here's the thing. I mean, Big Titty Brian, I, you know, I. I could feel badly that he's not able to express himself or be who he wants to be, but when you're a part. When you're married to a woman that shot a dog, number one, and then that's before we even get to the ghost, you know, she killed a goat too. Nobody talked. She shot the goat.

[Peppermint]

Why?

[Jennifer Welch]

Because she's a psychopath.

[Peppermint]

What did she do? Did she shoot it because she was hunting and gonna eat the goat?

[Jennifer Welch]

No, I think she was mad at the goat and shot it.

[Peppermint]

Why are there goats around? Okay,

[Jennifer Welch]

it's just maga shit.

[Peppermint]

Or get away from animals. Like, what are you doing?

[Jennifer Welch]

It's just maga shit.

[Angela Dawn]

Okay?

[Jennifer Welch]

Had it or hit it, billionaire bedwetters. And what I mean by this is you've got Ken Griffin, who owns $150 million apartment, Central Park, Park South, Zoron, like, was like, hey, Ken Griffin, you need to pay petit terror tax. Ken Griffin goes on tv, wets the bed. Jeff Bezos recently went on tv. He said he thought Trump was, what do you say, more mature. What do you say? You guys? More mature and more level headed or something?

[Peppermint]

Than What?

[Jennifer Welch]

Than Trump 1.0.

[Peppermint]

Goodbye. I have to go Is it time to go?

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah. And then he said he was tired of billionaires getting villainized. So I call this billionaire bedwetting, where these men have bank accounts that could choke a bull and they get on television and act like they're the victim. So had it or hit it. Billionaire bedwetters.

[Peppermint]

Absolutely had it. I can't with billionaires, let alone if they're wetting the bed. I don't want billionaires to do anything, but I don't want somebody. I don't want to be with somebody who only has $50 who wets the bed. And so I don't want to be with somebody who. And it's not because they only have $50, it's because they're wetting the bed. So. No. And if you have a bedwetting situation that's a health issue, then that's your own thing. But listen, you billionaires, we can't talk to billionaires. Cause they're not gonna listen. They're so self centered. And I do think that there's something about being a billionaire that puts you out of touch with being a human being. Yeah. It just does. And the fact that we're hearing so many of these billionaires and, and Peter Thiel and Andreessen and just like not Andreessen, who's the guy who is behind. He's a tech guy who wanted to be like the tech feudalist.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yarvin Yarvin.

[Peppermint]

Curtis Yarvin.

[Jennifer Welch]

Curtis Yarvin. Yeah.

[Peppermint]

When you read the musings of these people, it's out of control. And it doesn't seem like it's aligned with anybody who wants to do anything good for people or humanity. And there has to be, there has to be a line where people are saying, listen, look, y', all, I know you feel like you're a capitalist, but you're not. You're a laborer. You are a worker. If you're listening to this podcast, you are a worker. You are working class. I don't care how much money you have in your bank account. If you don't have a private jet and you don't already have a bunker.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah.

[Peppermint]

Today. You are not a capitalist and you're obviously not a billionaire. And everything we do is geared towards coddling these people.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yes. And all they do is wet the

[Peppermint]

bed and caring about their feelings. I've had it with them, darling. Let's say fuck them. You have enough money, you're on your own. Let's focus on people. Let's do what? This. At least with this country and like the call to humanity says that it's supposed to do is take care of people.

[Jennifer Welch]

All right. Had it or hit it. New York City Pride.

[Peppermint]

Absolutely hit it, honey. I am so excited about Pride.

[Jennifer Welch]

Tell my audience what's gonna happen at Pride.

[Peppermint]

Oh, my gosh, it's gonna be fun. We're gonna have.

[Jennifer Welch]

You are the.

[Peppermint]

I'm one of the grand marshals for Pride this year. I'm so. I've been involved in the Pride Parade and Pride march for years. It's always. It's a gas, darling. It's always so much fun. But this year, considering where the attacks on the trans community, considering where we are in this world, the fact that they. The New York City Pride Committee has named the theme is for all of Us, which was something that should resonate with everybody, but it's something inspired by Marsha P. Johnson, trans woman who is key and instrumental in the modern sort of gay rights, LGBT rights movement. Back from Stonewall. And so knowing that we have her as inspiration really feels good for me to be able to step in to those shoes and sort of pick up and carry the torch where she left off. And so if you're going to be in NYC Pride Month, everybody knows is June, New York City Pride is the end of the month. Famously, you know, now 55 years, I think, after the Stonewall uprising in the heart of New York City, Greenwich Village, where police officers were attacking the LGBT community, raiding a gay bar, and then also focusing and targeting trans sex workers and people who were on the street who didn't have all the money and the protection that they would normally have. So 50 something years later, here we are. We're gonna be marching for Pride. We're gonna be marching to tell people that we're out and proud. We're not going anywhere. But we're also ready for the fight.

[Jennifer Welch]

What do you think about our mayor?

[Peppermint]

I absolutely love the job that he's doing, how I feel about him on the side. I love him. I think he's great, but I don't want to psych myself into being like, it's just him. It's just him. He could mess up one day and then we'll hold him accountable. What I love is his ability to want to be held accountable. The way that he is operating in what feels to be a very transparent manner. And he came in the door principled and that we have that. I know that the city and the people in the city are gonna be so much better off. And I see people online all the time saying, well, the billionaires are gonna leave and everybody's gonna move. And da, da, da. I'm like, honey, let the. Let them move. Millionaires have more than one house. Yeah, if I had six houses, I wouldn't care what was going on in one of them. I'd go to another one. Let them go to another city and not pay taxes. Let them go to another city and not have to worry about how they're damaging the local economy. Let's focus on the people who only have one place to live and go to work sometimes a 2, 3 jobs to try to stay in the city. Let's focus on those people and the services and the quality of life that those people have. Everybody that's online saying, well, the man they're gonna leave are in wherever they are, not New York City. And I know that if you ask them, would you wanna move to New York City? The first thing they'll say is, no, I would never move to that place. Because of the quality of life so bad. Why is the quality of life so bad? Sorry, I didn't mean to scare you. Why is the quality of life so bad? Because people can't afford where they live. Because the servicers are so bad. Because things are failing. And now because we have a mayor, a former mayor in Adams who left us with $12 billion in debt, of course the services are gonna be bad. Of course the quality of life is gonna go down. So now we have somebody who's helping to slow that down and fight against it. And so I think the work that he's doing, he gets an A from me right now, and I'm always gonna keep watching. And I'm so happy that he instituted and implemented the mayor's office for LGBT BTQ affairs.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah.

[Peppermint]

I'm excited to see what work they do.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yeah, I've really enjoyed the woke Sharia portion.

[Peppermint]

I'm here for it, honey.

[Jennifer Welch]

Yes. Okay. I want to talk about. Now you have Survival of the Thickest coming out on Netflix. Tell my listeners Survival of the Thickest.

[Peppermint]

Yeah, tell me all about it. It's where it's a show headed up inspired by the book by New York Times bestseller I Believe Fuck the New York Times by Michelle Buteau, who is such a wonderful person comedy. She's an all star in my book. She's super, like, inclusive in her thinking and her approach to everything. And if you like Sex and the City, I think you would like Survival of the Thickest. It's been on Netflix for now two years. We just left our second season and we're about to drop season three. It drops on July 2nd, and I super excited. Some great things in store. And last season, my character got married on this on the show. And that was a wonderful, like, titillation for me. But Michelle says that she wanted to make sure that the trans community was seen in a way that we're not usually observed and not usually seen. She wanted to show trans people being loved and adored and treated like everybody else who deserve to be loved and adored and treated. And that just. It really made me feel so good. And I love what we have in store for season three. So people should tune in. It's all going to drop on the same day. You can binge it in, like, love it like a day.

[Jennifer Welch]

And lastly, you and I met and became friends through our involvement with glaad. And you were on the board, correct, at glaad?

[Peppermint]

Yes. I'm justly. I'm still on the board for one more year. It's my last year on the board board, but it's been a great, wild ride watching everything that's been happening outside. But, yeah, glaad, it's a wonderful organization. They are at the front. Not only are they leaders in making sure that there's fair representation and accurate representation for the LGBT community in media, but now beyond that, because media and this nightmare of politics that we're in, they are able to track everything from the roles and LGBT roles in film and television, but also making sure that people have fair representation in social media, which is a really important thing. So they have their new initiative, the Common Ground Project, which I'm really excited about. Anybody wants to go to my social media, peppermint247, they can click on the link for the Common Ground Project, which really is. Is sort of a new approach to attacking all this anti LGBT rhetoric that turns into bills and laws and policy and has real life implications. And so I'm proud of the work that GLAAD is doing, and I'm happy that we've been able to team up.

[Jennifer Welch]

I love it. Okay, Peppermint, thank you so much for coming to share your grievances. We did it. I want to have you on again already.

[Peppermint]

Absolutely.

[Jennifer Welch]

Okay. All right, we'll see you all later.