← I've Had It
I've Had It
She Wants to Kill Me
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Big Pumps is back in the Big City accompanied by a much younger Jennifer and they're joined by Congressman Eric Swalwell to get all the tea on Congress. Pre-order our new book, join our Patreon Cult, and more by clicking here:...
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Jennifer
So are we supposed to start the podcast?
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Angie
Ready, 1, 2, 3.
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Jennifer
Patriots. Gaytriots. They trots. It's big pumps in the big city. We are in New York City. We have a very special guest. Very. We're meeting here later.
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Angie
Fun guest.
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Jennifer
Very fun. Very important. Yes, very important.
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Angie
Which almost pseudo makes us important.
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Jennifer
Kinda. A little bit kinda important.
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Angie
Adjacent.
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Jennifer
We are important adjacent. All right, pumps, what have you had it with?
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Angie
Okay, what I've had it with and it's twofold. It's mostly at myself. But my overall had it is I've had it with the cutest shoes being uncomfortable. And then I've had it with myself for continuing to buy the uncomfortable shoes knowing that I'll wear them for about an hour and just be like, I can't do it, I can't do it. So it's like this, never ending. You want your shoes to be cute, but if they're comfortable, they're just awful. They look like corrective shoes. If they're cute, you can't wear them because at my advanced age, everything on your body hurts after about an hour. So I've just, I've had it with the whole thing. I think I'm just going to go to my house shoes. Back to my house shoes and flip flops 24 7.
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Jennifer
Did I have ever told you that my mother thought I was pigeon toed when I was a child and I had to wear corrective shoes briefly. And then she enrolled me in ballet because she thought it would turn my feet out. Yeah.
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Angie
I did not know you were corrective shoe wear.
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Jennifer
I wore corrective shoes. Well, I asked my mom, I think it's maybe a year, but I remember they were so ugly, they weren't very cute. But my mother is very vain. Right.
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Angie
So that was hard on her.
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Jennifer
Yeah. And. And I don't really think I was like pigeon toed. I bet they just went in slightly. We need to talk to Linda.
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Angie
We need to get to the bottom of that. But here's the thing. Aren't you glad she did it when you were younger and you didn't have to correct it as an adult?
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Jennifer
Yes.
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Angie
So thank you, Linda. At the end of the day.
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Jennifer
Yes, yes, definitely. But no, I'm with you on the shoes. I see these fantastic shoes and I'm like, God, I love those. Those look great. Put them on. 45 minutes later, I am miserable. And listen up, kids. As you get older, gravity is not kind to your feet.
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Angie
No.
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Jennifer
And I mean, and pumps can report from like the future. Future. And she's saying near death.
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Angie
It's even worse.
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Jennifer
Near death. Yeah, exactly. All right, let me tell you what I've had it with. And I love the person I'm about to throw under the bus, but I have to. It's been building and building and building, and I just have to get it out.
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Angie
Okay. What?
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Jennifer
Who? So at the office, listener. Downstairs is my interior design business. Upstairs is the podcast studio. And so girl that works for my interior design business oftentimes brings her lunch to work and heats it up in the work microwave. And several times it's been fished.
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Angie
Oh, and she's perfect in all other regards.
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Jennifer
I've had it with people using a shared microwave to heat up food that stinks. Yeah, there's nothing you can do about it. It permeates. It's awful. It. It. The secondhand smell, if you're not the eater of that food, if you're not the consumer of that food is so horrible. So the other day, she did it, and I had. I had been out of the office for a tennis lesson, of course, on my lunch hour. And then I walked back in. I'm, like, still gasping for air. My heart rate's still high. I'm kind of behind the eight ball, running a little late getting back to the office. And I walk in, and it is the worst. Rotten fish smell smacks me in the face, and I am dying. D Y I N G So I light a candle and I put it right under my nose on the desk as I'm typing. Couldn't even penetrate this fish smell, really. So I got up and I opened up the front door and I put a plant to keep it open. And I opened up the back door so we could get flow going in and out. And I turned on the fan on the H vac, and I mean, it took about an hour and a half before I didn't smell this overtly heinous fish smell, but I do not think that should be allowed. I agree. I don't think that's right. And I just. I said, who. Who heat up the fish? She said, I did. And I was like, adriana, it's a good thing you don't listen to my podcast, because this is going right to the top of my grievances. She just kind of laughed and goes on, you know, with her business as only Adriana would do. But it was horrific.
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Angie
You know, I. I have friends that have worked in really big companies before, and there is a mandate that you cannot cook fish in the microwave because it. It permeates the whole office. And at first they thought it was like, oh, that's kind of rude. And then somebody broke the rule and everybody agreed. You just. It's one of those social contract situations. If we're all going to eat here, if we're all going to work here, if we're all going to share the same space. You cannot put fish in the microwave.
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Jennifer
No, you just can't. You cannot do it. It is not acceptable. It's. You're not taking into account the senses of your coworkers. There's a lack of self awareness about it. And I like fish, I eat fish. You're not a big fish eater. But I am. But after that I thought I'm not going to be able to eat fish for a while. Right.
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Angie
Because it was so traumatic.
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Jennifer
It was, the smell was just awful. And so listener, do not heat up stinky food and your shared microwave. Take into account the senses of your co workers, even those that you hate, because you wouldn't wish this on your worst enemy.
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Angie
You know, this might be a good idea. We could give our next guest on what he should do to torture his colleagues.
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Jennifer
Oh, that might be good. That's a good idea. That might be a great idea. Okay, welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer.
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Angie
I'm Angie.
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Jennifer
She's the star of the show. She's big tits in the big city.
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Angie
Yeah, I mean I, they're just. I look a hundred in this lie. I mean like literally I sat down and I said I look 550 years old. Then I look down just now and I have my boobs hanging out. The dragons are trying to get out. And I thought there is just nothing GROSSER than a 500 year old woman trying to show their boobs off. It's gross.
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Jennifer
What did I say when I sat down right next to you?
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Angie
How pretty I am?
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Jennifer
No, do you remember you said, oh my God, I look 500 years old.
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Angie
Yes. And she immediately says, oh, I feel like I look a ton younger than you on this. And I was just like, well that's just right on brand listener.
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Jennifer
You know, there's just certain things when you have a really good asshole buddy that you can just give each other shit for forever. And that's just one of the things because I will always be younger than you. Like there's nothing you can do about it. I have you so checkmated on that.
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Angie
I mean there's nothing I can do about it. Unless I wanted to become maga and then I would just lie about my age and gaslight. You and just say I wasn't.
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Jennifer
I have a copy of your passport and your driver's license.
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Angie
Yeah, that wouldn't work.
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Jennifer
Perfect. All right, listen, we have a story to share with everybody. So, you know, we, we are thinking about ways that we can better mitigate interactions and horrible interactions with people in the public. And yesterday, I would say, was a masterclass for your two co hosts of this heaping pile of dog shit podcast called I've Had It. So we have to get up and catch the early bird flight. Memaw comes and picks me up at my house. 5:56am we're going to fly from Oklahoma City to LaGuardia. We head to Will Rogers World Airport International now. Oh, pardon me, Will Rogers International Airport in Oklahoma city for our 7am direct flight to LaGuardia. We're meeting a couple of friends at the airport that are also coming here with us. And we make it right on time. Sit down and pumps, of course. I look over and she's knee deep in conversation with a stranger.
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Angie
Pretty quickly, not on my own volition. It was like where you live. I mean, the questions, it was just rapid fire. Immediately.
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Jennifer
At first I thought maybe she is a yak mouth magnet. But then I also fell prey. Right? We all noticed that everybody else fell prey to this particular yak mouth. And it was unrelenting. It was, it was. He would ask you a question and then you would start to answer it and then he would speak over you while you were giving him an answer to the question he asked you, Right? Really, really annoying. So then we're waiting to board. We're waiting to board. Shout out to the guy that works for American Airlines that was working gate number one on this morning. You were amazing. So he says, we're delayed because the flight attendant's iPad is not working. And so the manual, she doesn't have it digitally. And we're trying to get her logged back into her iPad. And this goes on for about an hour. And one of our friends is like, I'll give my iPad. I'll volunteer my iPad to American Airlines, I'll volunteer my iPad to American Airlines and I will buy a new one when I get to New York. Anything to just get this burden there because it's starting to dump snow, right? So we're getting paranoid. So then he says, well, they can't get her iPad to work, so we have to go to the basement and print the 1000 page manual for the flight attendant to have on the flight. Several observations here. Number one, who is going to look through a 1,000 page manual on a flight, if it's going down, like, who's doing that?
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Angie
Nobody's doing that. I don't. That made absolutely no fucking sense. Okay, we're. The flight's going down, we're getting ready to crash. Here, let me page through my notes so I can tell you what to do. It's like nobody, nobody's gonna do that.
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Jennifer
And why don't you, American Airlines just have a hard copy just in case, right? Why don't we just have a hard copy in one of the bins at all times just in case.
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Angie
Avoid this.
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Jennifer
So then 45 minutes, another hour passes and then flight attendant walks by, or some worker for American Airlines walks by with literally a 12 inch stack of papers. They give it to the darling gate agent. We love you. They take it down, they put it on the plane. We start to push back from the gate. Captain gets on the flight and says, we're having a computer issue now. And I've tried to reset it. Doesn't work. I have to go back. We take you guys back to the gate, deplane you, and then we will hopefully be able to take off if the weather doesn't get worse. So we get off the plane. And I digress here a little bit because the yak mouth. That's what I was going to say.
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Angie
Don't forget the best part of the story.
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Jennifer
The aforementioned yak mouth is seated right across the aisle from me. Pumps was two rows behind us. I was furious that I got stuck with that hickey.
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Angie
Right.
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Jennifer
And so I'm, you know, trying to manage that. And this was a person that you could have your earpod in. And I made a very dramatic, like tucked my hair behind my ear and I was like, I'm sorry, what did you just.
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Angie
No, it didn't matter.
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Jennifer
Didn't matter.
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Angie
No, did not matter. I mean, there were several times that when we were standing in the terminal, I would completely put my back to him where he could only see the back side. And he just kept going in, just kept going in. And I was just like, are you. Where is your ability to address social cues?
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Jennifer
Let me tell you something, you guys, if pumps, the biggest stray cat feeder in the United States of America is turning your back on you. The yak mouth is bad. It's not savable.
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Angie
No, you cannot, you cannot crawl your way back.
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Jennifer
No. So anyway, long story short about all this flight stuff, then we get back on the flight, the flight attendant is bawling, crying. She is beside herself. She is literally in tears. And I Give her a hug. And I'm like, I'm sorry. Just like, people are just being mean to me. So apparently one of the passengers got on, told her she thought it was her fault that her iPad didn't work. Right.
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Angie
She was mad at the flight attendant, Right.
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Jennifer
Because her iPad that's owned by American Airlines didn't work. She called her stupid. She called her A too and a. So she's in tears. And so here's what we did. You would think, the hosts of this podcast, that we would have been maniacs. You would have, you would think that Karen would have had a resting heart rate of about 300.
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Angie
Right?
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Jennifer
None of this happened, right? New Year, new us, now, the, the yak mouth passenger. The only way we were never rude to him was just try to avoid eye contact and do all of your body language as best you could as far away from him. And he would, he was still able to penetrate it. But we were never rude to him.
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Angie
We were never rude to him. We were. Every body language signal was saying, stop. Every answer was saying, stop.
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Jennifer
If I saw him again, I might just go back home.
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Angie
Right? Just go.
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Jennifer
I'll just start tomorrow.
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Angie
Let's just move this to tomorrow.
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Jennifer
Yeah, because that was a lot like, he was a very active, persistent, relentless yak mouth. Like, I, I, I'd never seen anything like it. Right.
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Angie
I mean, it's been a long time since I've seen one to that level.
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Jennifer
It was an incredible level of interrogations right towards us. It was, it was, it was really intense. It was super intense. And it was, it never stopped. I know more about this individual.
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Angie
I know every, I mean, he's over 70. Because I know his exact age. And I knew who he grew up with in high school. I knew what his dad did. I knew where I went to college.
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Jennifer
Yeah. I knew where he worked to law school.
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Angie
I know all of it, Everything there is to know about this man. I know it. His work schedule, his 100 work schedule.
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Jennifer
Travel schedule, all of a dress. Yeah, it was, it was, it was a very sustained attack. I almost felt like somebody's with us. They've listened to the podcast and I.
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Angie
Kind of thought that too.
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Jennifer
They know what we. What annoys us. And this is a plant. Somebody is doing this, Testing us. Yeah, this is a test. But here's the deal. You were really good the other day. I was really proud of you. You were nice. That flight attendant, she couldn't have taken it if you would have even been remotely caring towards her.
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Angie
No, I was super sweet, unraveled.
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Jennifer
And you, I was really, really proud of you, that you were just a normal, even fucking person. Did you keep your bra on?
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Angie
I kept my bra on the whole time. Yeah.
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Jennifer
See, this is growth. Yeah.
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Angie
I really take it off on super long flights.
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Jennifer
All right, listen up. We have a fantastic guest today. We are gravely concerned about January 20th. Plus, we vacillate from like, are we gonna die? To we're gonna be fine.
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Angie
We're gonna be arrested.
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Jennifer
Yeah. Are we gonna be arrested? Are we still gonna have the first amendment?
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Angie
Right?
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Jennifer
Yeah. So anyway, we, everybody knows we love politics. And this is a congressman that I have loved forever because he says what's on his mind. He has conviction, he has principles, and he fights the good fight. So let's welcome to I've had it in New York City, Congressman Eric Swalwell. This episode of I've had it is brought to you by wild grain Listener. Pumps and I are bananas about wild grain. First of all, we both love bread and pastries. And it is the first bake from frozen subscription box for artisanal breads, pastries and pastas.
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Angie
I would say damn near psychotic.
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Jennifer
Totally. And we have written a cell phone expose. One could even say it's a manifesto. And the book title is Life is.
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Angie
A Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches.
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Jennifer
In all sincerity, we share a lot of our struggles that led us to this grand stage where we can talk about petty grievances. You can click the link below in the show notes to pre order your copy now. Okay. Welcome Congressman Eric Swalwell.
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Eric Swalwell
Thanks for having me.
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Jennifer
Yes. Thank you so much. We're in New York City, everybody. We're so excited. I do. I was looking at your Twitter.
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Eric Swalwell
Yes.
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Jennifer
And there was a tweet that I found concerning and I want to see what you have to say about it. It was tweeted November 10, 2024 by Rep. Swalwell verified account. And it says, night Night at OKC Thunder. How dare you.
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Eric Swalwell
And I like to say no, Casey, sometimes.
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Angie
Oh, I like that.
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Jennifer
You can't like that.
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Angie
I like. It's a good slang. Like we can turn it into a chance.
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Eric Swalwell
But they've had our number. We started 12 and 2. We're like now 19 and 18. I think we had a win last night. But yeah, you guys are looking good. We are out for revenge, though.
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Jennifer
Here's what I have to say about, like, you live in California. You represent the state of California. You've got the ocean, you've got mountains, you have all this cool stuff. You have multiple sports teams.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah, I know.
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Jennifer
Why are you so greedy? Like, we're living in a MAGA hellscape and this basketball team is everything to us. And then I get on truck Twitter and I Have to see that bullshit congressman.
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Eric Swalwell
You know, everything's like. There's. There's. Everything's off limit. Nothing's off limits when it comes to sports. Right. I agree.
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Angie
That's true.
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Jennifer
I totally agree.
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Eric Swalwell
So night, night.
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Angie
Night, night.
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Jennifer
I want to talk to you, though.
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Eric Swalwell
Seeing the playoffs.
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Jennifer
Oh, well, you're going down. I want to talk to you about your work environment.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah.
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Jennifer
And your coworkers, because I've had it with a lot of them, particularly the Freedom Caucus. What. What can you tell me about the Freedom Caucus?
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah, I mean, they don't really want much freedom for you and your body.
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Jennifer
That's right.
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Eric Swalwell
They don't want much freedom for, like, what books your kids can read, right. At school. They don't want you to have much health care freedom. It's really their interpretation of, like, what they want to do with you. Your body, your kids. Like in. In the bedroom. Right. So all the places that are personal to you and you don't want government, they want to be in there. And the places where you need help, like cost of groceries, cost of gas, taking on, like, corporate greed, they're nowhere to be found. So I would say they're in all the wrong places.
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Angie
So I agree with that.
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Jennifer
Let's, like, role play. Like, you are in the Congress and you get in an elevator, and there is Marjorie Taylor Greene.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah. She wants to kill me.
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Jennifer
She does.
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Angie
Really?
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Jennifer
Lauren Boebert.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah.
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Jennifer
Is there.
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Eric Swalwell
She wants to talk.
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Jennifer
Is there any friend.
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Angie
Okay, let's give us a little Beetlejuice on.
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Jennifer
Give us your team with mgt. I want all that scoop.
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Eric Swalwell
So it's pro wrestling where I work.
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Jennifer
Okay.
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Eric Swalwell
I work with pro wrestlers.
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Jennifer
Okay.
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Eric Swalwell
And so they will hit me over the head with a steel chair in the ring. So in a committee hearing, in a House floor speech. And then when I get in the elevator with Ted Cruz or Jim Jordan, Matt Gaetz, Boebert, they wanna bro out. And it's to them I've come to realize they're just like, hey, cameras aren't on.
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Jennifer
We're all cool.
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Eric Swalwell
We're just doing what the fans want. We can talk. Right. Marjorie Taylor Greene, credit to her, she wants to fucking kill me. She would want to go to blows if she saw me in the elevator. So she actually believes the crazy. And I respect that because I think the others see themselves as performers. And so who they think they're performing for, the quote unquote fans, I happen to call, like, constituents. Like the people that we represent. Once you can figure that out, I think you can be effective. And it took me a long time because I was very righteous, I think, in Trump won. And I kind of divided the Congress. Like, you were either with Trump, I didn't want anything to do with you, or you were against him, and I was with you. And I think that's. I get that, and that's one way to take it, but now I've just kind of priced in. You know what? Like, they're just performing. This isn't even what they believe. And so, like, if I need to get things done for my constituents, like, they can do their crazy shit in the ring, right? But I will try and work with those who I can work with if I can get things done. So it's not a great environment to be around people like that. But, like, my job title is representative, and so I've got to get things done. And so. But once you can figure out who's a pro wrestler and who really believes in the crazy, I think you can start to sort your way through.
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Angie
That's what's always amazed me is, are these people so insane that they believe this horseshit they're spewing? But what I'm wondering is, is when you're trying to do legislation, if it's not something that the Trump administration wants, or Mike Johnson, or Elon Musk, or Elon Musk, more importantly, Elon Musk, these people do not have the backbone for their constituents to vote for it anyway. Do you think that that will change in Trump 2.0?
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Eric Swalwell
No. So what worries me, I was in the House gym at the end of December. So there's this gym three floors below the Capitol. It's members only. It's like Vegas rules. Like, what happens in the gym stays in the gym. Like, substantive conversations. Never leave the gym. And it's good. Like, you want to place.
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Jennifer
Tell us what everybody says.
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Eric Swalwell
I'm not going to tell you who.
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Jennifer
Okay?
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Eric Swalwell
But there's a couple. There's three TVs also in the gym. And you've got CNN, Fox, and then, like, ESPN, okay? And so those three TVs are on. You've got treadmills, weights. And I was in there, and we had a deal that Republicans agreed to, to keep government open, fund some priorities, like, you know, cancer research for kids. And there's this, like, breaking news cry on from CNN that Elon Musk is tweeting against the deal. And a couple Republicans in the gym are looking at it, looking at their phones, and they're like, fuck, fuck, fuck. God damn it. And it was just like. And I told one of them, I said, if you go along with this, if you let him tank this, he's gonna own you for the next two years. And you're gonna have to sit around and wait to see what he says about any major piece of legislation. And if you stand up to him now and don't let him do that, then you're gonna set the terms for the next few years. And, of course, predictably, they completely folded.
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Angie
Yeah, that's a concern.
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Jennifer
They always like a cheap suit, don't they? Yeah, every single time. Okay.
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Eric Swalwell
It's fear, though.
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Jennifer
And sometimes is it fear of the base?
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Eric Swalwell
We mistake it for. We mistake it for, like, political fear. And there's part of that. I mean, some people who I serve with, they think the only job they can get is this job, which is weird, because I thought I was working with people who gave up other good jobs to do this. But I've come to realize, like, a lot of them think this is the only job they can get. But I've come to also learn that it's more than just fear of losing your job. It's the fear of, like, the Trump or Musk tweet that changes your life, really. When they go after you now, you have death threats, your spouse is saying, like, why did you speak up? Like, now we've got all this heat on us. And the death threats don't just come for. For you. They come for your spouse. They go after your kids. And so life becomes very, very uncomfortable. And so for a lot of them, it's like, if I can just lay low and just go along with this, life doesn't get uncomfortable for me. And so that is a big part of this right now. And by the way, Trump and Musk, they know this. They know that when they unleash, when they send these tweets or they call out these members, that all they're unleashing, you know, the hell and fury of Twitter death threats that'll come, and that's a real deterrent, and that's a real problem.
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Angie
Yeah, yeah.
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Eric Swalwell
I've also had some things that I've had it with, by the way.
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Jennifer
Oh, yeah, tell us what you had it with.
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Eric Swalwell
Parent group chats.
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Angie
We all over it.
- [26:52]
Jennifer
The worst.
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Eric Swalwell
If my kid is in a ball pit with four other kids for longer than five minutes, a new fucking group chat is created. And, like, I don't need to be in a group chat for every organization that my kid is a part of, and they become, like, completely unmanageable. And it's to the point where I'm, like, responding into the wrong group chat, and I'm volunteering for things, and people are like, I don't think your kid's, like, in this group chat anymore. And by the way, my wife Brittany, I mean, she actually monitors and tracks all these group chats. But I think we have overdone it on the parent group chats. It's just. It's become too much.
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Jennifer
I have bad news for you.
- [27:29]
Angie
Yeah.
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Jennifer
I have a senior in high school, one that's in college, one that's a senior in high school. And I thought for sure I would be done with all of this by then. And they continue, and I just refuse. Yeah, I refuse to engage. And I had a lady who got kind of riled up with me last year, and she side messaged me, like, hey, you didn't respond to XYZ in the group chat about homecoming dance tickets. And I just responded to her. This is a Roman problem. Like, it's. He's 17. At the time. He was 17. Like, I almost. A man not raising a titty baby. Like, he needs to get. Get his own tickets. Why am I doing this? Like, I've already done all the major stuff right now. I'm just at, like, you know, making sure he gets home on time and everything else. He's kind of on his own. It gets worse.
- [28:13]
Eric Swalwell
Okay.
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Jennifer
We did a whole episode. Apparently, there is college parent group meetings. I have never been a part of any of this at Syracuse. I would never. But, yeah, the helicopter mothering, y'all should see. You could do something about this in Congress, right?
- [28:27]
Eric Swalwell
Ban them.
- [28:28]
Jennifer
Yes. Group chats.
- [28:29]
Angie
Banned.
- [28:30]
Jennifer
Yes. Group chats. Okay, I want to talk a little bit about the speaker of the House. And there's a video where he says on camera that the Lord was speaking to him and kept waking him up every night and saying, okay, we're going to figure out who Moses is, and it's not McCarthy anymore, and maybe it's going to be Scalise. And the Lord woke me up again. And so. And he says this, like, on camera. I've watched the video multiple times because I cannot believe that nobody is sending him to a mental institution after watching it. But then he ultimately says that the Lord told him that he was, in fact, Moses. And I just have a fundamental problem that we're all sitting around in this country, and you've got the president, the vice president, and then Moses, Mike, who has fireside chats every night with the Lord, where the Lord tells him, listen up, buddy. You're Moses. And we're all sitting around, we just took the subway here. I'm riding on the subway. We're all acting like this is normal, that the speaker of the House is insane, like this is insane behavior. It's magical thinking. And if somebody on the subway was sitting there saying this, I wouldn't think anything of it. This guy's the speaker of the House. And it bothers me so much that we all just act like he's a normal person and he is a fanatic and I think possibly like crazy that he's hearing all these voices and it's delusional.
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Eric Swalwell
It's not the Christianity that I believe in, by the way. Second, like I would love to have God waking me up every night. I have a six year old that does that three or four times a night and tries to come into our bed. So I would love to get like a message from God telling me I'm the leader now of the world. But what really concerns me though is this push, and I say this as a Christian, this push toward Christian nationalism and that's the only religion that's acceptable in our country. And to the exclusion of non theists who are very important to the exclusion of Jewish people, Muslims. That part really concerns me. I joined the Free Thought Caucus. So this is a caucus of non theists. As I said, I'm a Christian. But I do believe a lot of their concerns about what is going to happen. And this is led by Jared Huffman who by the way, I think is really interesting on this topic. But there is this real concern about like this radical fundamentalist approach that is starting to like really creep into our politics and our governance and then again into your bedrooms and your kids classrooms. And that's, that's really concerning. And yes, it just sounds weird.
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Jennifer
Well, we live in this.
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Angie
Yeah, we live.
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Jennifer
So they're already trying, even during Biden's term, they've already started trying all of these hardcore. Right. Project 2025 Heritage foundation stuff and red states. You know, they're trying them out in Texas and Oklahoma and we have now the superintendent who's mandated that the Bible be taught as a historical document in all public schools. Ten commandments beyond the walls, Women have lost the right to abortions. OBGYNs are fleeing the state. It's. And you see like if you look at the states that are doing this, we're ranked 49th or 50th in education. So these MAGA policies have always failed. The trickle down economics is the biggest myth. And it's so Difficult to see, like, this start to become mainstream. I knew. I knew in, like, deep Bible Belt states that this was happening, but you're starting to see it kind of get mainstreamed where people think this should be okay. And I hope that the Democrats have a plan to really fight for secularism, because that really is one of the founding principles, is that we have a secular government. And the 1950s is when all of this got injected. And it's really troubling because, you know, there's a saying in the Bible Belt for those of us that aren't Bible thumpers. And it is. There is no hate. There is no love like Christian hate. And it's true, because there's a real cruelty to. There's a punitive nature of the laws that they want to make. And it's about taking rights away from people or judging gay people and getting into people's bedrooms. Okay, but let's move on from that.
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Angie
I want to ask one quick question. Okay. On the Mike Johnson thing, this is what fascinates me more than anything. Here he is. He holds his Bible every minute. God told him he was Moses. He and his wife have a covenant marriage, yet he is that weird app that.
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Jennifer
Oh, my gosh, the porn appenant eyes.
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Angie
We just think that's the weirdest. But so do you think he has a recognition of his hypocrisy when he supports a candidate like Donald Trump where he does everything he wants against poor people, against women, that Donald Trump himself is the most immoral, unethical person on planet earth? Do you think he recognizes it? Or is he just so full of shit he doesn't even know it?
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Eric Swalwell
I think he's so brainwashed, and they've convinced himself that he's David, that Trump is David, that he's the imperfect vessel that God has sent to do this. That's what I hear. I mean, they will.
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Angie
So he believes it?
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Eric Swalwell
Yes, he believes it and many others believe it. And as Democrats, I think we have to stop using the like in a court of law. When I was a prosecutor, and I know you're a lawyer, like, it matters to, like, impeach somebody's credibility with, like, a prior inconsistent statement. And, like, Democrats, I think, are very good at, like, aha, we got you. Like, you are a Christian and you're supporting somebody who's very unchristian. Like, but, like, to Republicans, they don't give a about being inconsistent. They just have a goal of what they want to do. Tell your school, your kids, teachers, what they're going to Teach and what books are going to be in the classroom, and they just zero in on it. And they're very, I would say, adept at messaging on it, and they just plow through. And we sometimes, I think, get so caught up in, like, taking a scholarly, Harvard, moot court competition approach to this, and it makes us less effective. And so what I've tried to do on, like, messaging, especially with our younger, newer members, is to try and, you know, have us, as Hakeem Jeffries would say, govern in headlines and not in fine print, if that makes sense going forward.
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Angie
That does make sense.
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Jennifer
Yeah, that makes great sense. All right, let's move on to First Lady Elon Musk.
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Eric Swalwell
Yes.
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Jennifer
Okay. Or co president or president. Maybe Trump is first lady, however you want to.
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Eric Swalwell
The press secretary. Yeah, that's a great. Yeah, I see it. Musk is the muscle and Trump is the mouthpiece.
- [35:09]
Jennifer
Yeah, that's great.
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Angie
I agree with that.
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Jennifer
So, okay, Doge, is this gonna have congressional oversight?
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Eric Swalwell
Like, what we should root for government efficiency. I also think it's interesting that the Department of Government Efficiency has two people who are in charge of it. It's almost like starting off in an inefficient way. But, like, I'm rooting for their success, especially I'll just say in my district, 40% of my constituents were born outside the United States, and we are one of the top 10 wealthiest districts in the country. So there's a straight line between people who immigrated here and started businesses or, like, created, like, this really strong economy, and they deal. And some of the most skilled immigrants are dealing with, you know, the biggest backlogs and inefficiencies. So if they're going to go after inefficiencies on immigration to get the best and to get rid of anyone who's committing violent crimes, great. If they're going to go after inefficiencies in health care and fraud and waste and abuse, great. But I fear that their sense of inefficiencies is that you paid money into your Social Security and your Medicare and that money should be going to billionaires. And so we're going to cut that so that billionaires and this brolyarchy can take more. So that's what I fear. But we should, as I said, we should approach this stuff like, yeah, guys, let's make the government more efficient before just shitting all over it. Because I do think most Americans would say government is inefficient and then wait to see what do they really go after. Does that make sense? Because I think if we just root for them to fail, then it looks like we're on the side of inefficiency.
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Jennifer
Right. This is why you're a politician. Right? Because I want him to fail.
- [36:56]
Angie
I'm petty.
- [36:57]
Jennifer
Like, this is why I would never run for office. Because what you said about Marjorie Taylor Greene having conviction. I would be that person. Like, with Moses, Mike. I'd be like, hey, I'd probably, like, see him in the elevator and just be like, you're voting. I know women that are suffering because they don't have access to medical care because of you. Fuck you. And that's how I would feel about it. So I have that kind of connection. Conviction. I couldn't just talk about him on here and then see him be like, hey, Mike, what's up? You want to, you know, Bible study it or something? I couldn't do it. And so. But here's what bothers me about Elon Musk is number one.
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Eric Swalwell
He.
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Jennifer
I don't think he's emotionally stable or psychologically stable right now. I don't think Trump is emotionally or psychologically stable. You see him, you know, he controls a huge information system, which is X. He's already trying to mess with UK politics, German politics. He talked a lot of time on his hands, talked about it.
- [37:49]
Eric Swalwell
He runs a rocket company and a car company.
- [37:52]
Jennifer
Right. But has chats with Vladimir Putin.
- [37:54]
Eric Swalwell
Yeah.
- [37:54]
Jennifer
When.
- [37:55]
Eric Swalwell
And Iran.
- [37:56]
Jennifer
Yes. And we find out that Trump's talking to Vladimir Putin. And I don't know if I'm paranoid, but as I'm sitting here looking at all of this, you know, they're all up to something. Right? You know, Trump and Musk, these are not people of integrity and decency in the manner in which Joe Biden was like. Joe Biden was a good man. Nobody is ever going to agree with anything that every president does, but at his core, he's a decent human being. I do not believe that about Elon Musk. I do not believe that about Donald Trump. And I think they're palling around with Putin, and I think, oh, shit, we're fucked. That's what I think all the time.
- [38:32]
Eric Swalwell
So we're not fucked, but I think what we have to do is to zero in on, like, what you just described. Like, what does it mean to an everyday American? Would I see it as to, like, a small business owner, you know, to somebody, you know, who goes to work every day and thinks that that hard work adds up to something, that this system that you just described means that you can buy and sell politicians if you have the money and access to do it. And anyone else who doesn't is fucked and on their own. And so this is, as I said, like kind of on your own. It's, it's not a free market economy. It's a free market for all economy. And free for all means that those with the most money and the most access are the ones that are going to do the best. And that the guy who works pretty hard and thought that the cost of eggs was going to go down and he was going to see a bump in his paycheck, he's screwed. And so I think that's where we have to take all that and drill it down to what does it really mean to each person who's affected by this and attack it that way. Because I think that's effective because we were promised and we should not discount that. People said when they exited the polls that this was largely about the economy. Nobody said, I want Donald Trump to make his priority Greenland. Nobody said, I want Donald Trump to make his priority renaming the Gulf of America. Nobody said, I want Donald Trump to add Canada as a 51st state. And by the way, this moron doesn't understand that Canada is the same size as California, which means they would have 54 electoral votes that would like cut against JD Vance in.
- [40:07]
Angie
Please come in.
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Eric Swalwell
28. We should welcome that. So nobody asked for any of that when they went to the polls. And that's where he's focusing. And that's why I think we have to kind of read the room, so to speak, and really say we're the ones that are actually focused on you.
- [40:25]
Jennifer
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Angie
Women voted against their own self interest. The working class, the middle class voted against their own self interest to elect Trump. Which brings us to the misinformation that's coming out. And you look at the hurricanes in the eastern seaboard.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah.
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Angie
Now you've got the wildfires in California and then Donald Trump and Elon Musk are pumping out disinformation as fast as they can get it. How do we, I mean I feel like we're living in a post fact world. They immediately like I thought that when they were saying Democrats controlled the weather, I thought that's so insane. Any person that heard that would immediately know that that was crazy.
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Eric Swalwell
If I control the weather by the way, I wouldn't have had two fucking snow days for my kids over Christmas. Back to Christmas.
- [43:50]
Angie
Yeah, but I mean it's just so now all of these rumors, how do we stop that? What can we do about about it?
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah. Well first we cannot give up on, you know, having standards for social media companies and especially so I have a seven year old, a six year old and a three year old and they're, you know, going to be hurdling into this very soon, you know, once they're exposed to social media. And so having, you know, high standards, especially for kids, I think we should start with kids because, you know, they're the future. They're going to inherit. They're going this disinformation or information forum and platforms that we have. And so I'm all about Professor Haight at NYU and some of the standards he wants to have on age requirements for social media. The schools either taking the phones or only allowing a flip phone for a student at a high school. I mean, I do think really protecting our kids first is important, and then for what's out there right now, I do believe we have to look at. Okay, if Facebook. If you're going to get rid of any patrolling or any standards or guidelines around speech, well, then you should also be on the hook for what happens on your platforms and what hate it brings and what defamation forum or environment you create. So we should not just say that's okay and be okay with the consequences. I'm not cool with that.
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Angie
Yeah, that's a great idea. The civil lawsuits change laws. They really do.
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Eric Swalwell
They do. We saw that obviously, with the oil and gas companies. We saw that with tobacco and even with firearms that they can.
- [45:37]
Jennifer
Okay, now we're going to play a game with you called Had It.
- [45:39]
Eric Swalwell
That's why I came on the show.
- [45:40]
Jennifer
Had it or Hit It. Oh, my God. Welcome to had it or Hit It. I would hit it.
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Eric Swalwell
Had it.
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Jennifer
Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. All right. Had it or Hit it. Gulf of America.
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Eric Swalwell
Had It. And I say this because, I mean, are we going to name New Mexico, New America? Like, it's absurd. But I will say, as Democrats, we should just say, you know what, that's great, Donald, that you want to go rename all this stuff, but what are you doing about the cost of eggs?
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Jennifer
Agree.
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Eric Swalwell
That's. That's where. I mean, just don't. Because he is so insecure about his own ability to actually deliver on what he promised. That's why he's doing this nonsense.
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Jennifer
I agree. I agree with that. And I also think there's a grift opportunity for him, right? Because, you know, he basically has a flea market now, online flea market, where he's about. Remember? And we have to remember, he ran because he said, look, I'm rich. I'm a bit. In 2016, I'm a billionaire. Nobody can buy or own me because I'm so rich. And now he is the most bought and paid for man this world has ever seen, which is so weak. Okay, had it or hit it, Republican parents had it.
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Eric Swalwell
Let me just tell you, when I send my kids to school, I don't want to pick the fucking curriculum. I don't want to be anywhere near it. I was not trained in this. I don't know anything. I mean, I can help my kids with their homework, but the day to day curricula that our kids are learning, why do I want to be involved in something else? And I want my kids to be at school with parents who are also busy and this is not their lives. So I've had it with parents who want to horn their way into the classrooms and tell our teachers what to teach. Like, I wish I had that much time on my hands also, by the way, to do that. I don't because I'm trying to do shit. And I wish, you know, Republican parents in some of these states also had other things to do.
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Jennifer
Follow up question, are your parents Republican?
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Eric Swalwell
My parents are Republican.
- [47:45]
Angie
So are mine. So are mine. It's bad.
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Eric Swalwell
And the only way I have to go on Fox News, otherwise they won't see me on tv.
- [47:52]
Jennifer
Right? Are they maggots?
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Eric Swalwell
I think they voted for Trump. They claim they didn't this time. My mom also got to the point where she would say when Tucker Carlson or Sean Hannity would start to shit talk me, she's like, you know, honey, I don't like when they do that. So I change the channel usually and then I'll turn back a couple minutes later. So I'm like, thanks, mom. That's really sweet of you.
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Jennifer
Are they proud of you?
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Eric Swalwell
Yes. Yeah. I'm very close to my parents and we just have like a no hat rule now at Thanksgiving.
- [48:21]
Jennifer
You know what's funny? She and I have noticed so a lot of these Republican parents are like, I want my kids to receive the best education, I want them to go to the best universities. And then they end up getting liberal, open minded children. That's right.
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Eric Swalwell
So my parents blame me. They blame, they say I went to college, that's how I became a Democrat. They really, that's what they think happened.
- [48:43]
Jennifer
Okay, had it or hit it? TikTok hit it.
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Eric Swalwell
I like TikTok. Yeah, it's a very effective way to communicate. And the issues that, you know, I think people have with TikTok are not exclusive to TikTok. Like with algorithms and privacy and data. That also applies to meta, that also applies to X, that applies, you know, to Snapchat and a bunch of different platforms. So if you want to, like, engage on reforms, let's do it. But I don't think we're a country that bans things. China is a country that bans things. And I also know that a lot of small business owners really benefit, you know, from TikTok. And we do.
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Angie
We do.
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Jennifer
Yeah. Yeah.
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Eric Swalwell
We have this. My three year old, by the way, who would not stay in his crib. And I'm of the mindset that, like, I don't mind if he is applying for college and still in the crib if he's not getting out of the crib. Like, we're keeping him in the crib.
- [49:35]
Angie
Absolutely.
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Eric Swalwell
And so when he started to have issues where he wanted to climb out, my wife found on TikTok this tent that you, like, put into the crib. It's clear. Kind of looks like an Ebola, like, chamber. I could still see him, but you tie it to the bottom post of the crib, and we call it Hank's Castle. And so he thinks he's got his own castle, but it may have bought us another year. And that was found on TikTok, which.
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Angie
Would have known about that.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah, there's a lot of fun.
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Jennifer
That's the worst.
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Angie
When they can get out of the bed.
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Eric Swalwell
I don't want that.
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Jennifer
No. Oh, I remember that. I remember getting downstairs and getting in my bed, and then all of a sudden there was this hand and I was like, yeah. Oh, my God, he crawled out.
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Angie
You lose all control at that point.
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Jennifer
Yeah. No. Toddlers are, I think, the very first episode of this podcast we ever did.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah.
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Jennifer
The title of it was Toddlers are.
- [50:25]
Angie
Assholes and they remain so today. They haven't changed that much.
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Jennifer
Okay. Had it or hit it? Mar A Lago had it.
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Eric Swalwell
And by the way, if they want to work remotely from Mar A Lago, I would welcome that.
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Angie
Right.
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Eric Swalwell
I think there's just this collective. This collective anxiety about the circus coming back to town and just how obnoxious they are and just how cruel and cringe they can be. And so that's what I'm just not looking forward to. That's. That's coming back to town. They're just. I mean, they're just so obnoxious.
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Jennifer
They're horrible.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah, they're obnoxious. They're very. They're very.
- [51:06]
Jennifer
Okay, last one. Had it or hit it? Midterm elections, 20, 26.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah, hit it hard. Because we. We have a pathway, you know, to winning the midterm elections and what's so critical right now is that we're purposeful in how we take on, you know, Donald Trump, that we understand what the voters were asking for and we're seen as the serious ones who are delivering on that. And then most importantly, like who is self recruiting or being recruited by us. And we'll be able to tell by the end of the summer who our candidates are in these toughest races. And if it looks like 2018, especially where you had these veterans and national security moms and prosecutors who were running and we flipped 39 seats, that was a strong, high caliber class. And so that's what really excites me is that we do have this opportunity. And also you've seen new leadership really step up with Hakeem as our leader, with Jamie Raskin is now the leader of the Judiciary Committee. Angie Craig is leading the Agriculture Committee from Minnesota. And then you have like Jasmine Crockett and Maxwell Frost and Jared Moskowitz, Dan Goldman, this new crop of members, many of them are going to go into the Judiciary Committee. So we'll announce the new members next week. And it's going to be like this murderer's row of talent who are going to hold them accountable.
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Jennifer
We desperately need. So from, from the heartland of America, let me tell you what we need, because there are little blue dots peppered all over the country and he only won by a percentage and a half points. So this was not the mandate that they say it is. We need the optics really desperately. We need to see you that Brendan Boyle we had on Jasmine.
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Eric Swalwell
Yeah.
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Jennifer
Aoc. Dan Goldman. Any firecracker, any firecracker in there that you can bring. We need the optics of all of you saying, we're here, we're the rebellion. We're going to work with them where we can, but we are not, you are going to be safe. We are on this because everybody, like there is this, this. We're all going on living our lives, but there's this dark passenger with us all the time. It's like, shit, how fucked are we?
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Eric Swalwell
Right? And we can get through this. But I hope the message that my colleagues have received from this past election is just be real.
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Jennifer
Yes.
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Eric Swalwell
Like just be yourself.
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Jennifer
Yes.
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Eric Swalwell
And be plain spoken. And don't, as I said, don't approach us as like the Harvard Law School mood court competition. Just talk to somebody like you're talking to them at a bar or a bus stop. Just be real. And I think that'll get us far. And you talked about earlier women voting against their interests or poor Americans who would go for Trump, and he's only going to benefit the billionaires. I think so much of this is a personality contest. Oh, yeah, it's, do I like you and do I trust you and do I like you? Is very much like, do you get me? Do you look at me and know what I care about? And so, you know, we've got two years to do that. But I, I feel good about who's coming in. The names you just put out there, and I'll go foxhole with them, let.
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Jennifer
Them know that I've had it. Podcast is always a place because I think you guys have got to flood the zone. I think you've got to do podcasts. I think you have to just like this, just get on here. Maybe threw an F bomb. Who cares? The president's a convicted felon, screws porn stars. Who cares? You know, so get, get out there. And I think y'all need to flood the zone like they've done. And we're gonna help do our part because basically we're all boiling it down to are you pro democracy? Right?
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Eric Swalwell
That's right.
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Jennifer
Okay. Congressman Swalwell.
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Eric Swalwell
Jennifer Pumps. Thank you. It's an honor.
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Jennifer
Thank you.
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Angie
Thanks for coming. It's great having you in person, too.
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Jennifer
Tell you what I've had it with.
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Angie
Let's hear it.
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Jennifer
I've had it with that. Listen up, patriots, gaytriots and natriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called IHIP News. It's Monday through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America. Always served with a side of petty grievances.
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Angie
We are on all the available platforms. Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever you get your podcast and YouTube.
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Jennifer
Please go rate, subscribe and review so that we will chart upwards with America's greatest legal mind. Pumps. Pumps. What does an eagle say? Caca. Little bit more enthusiasm. That's it. That's, that's, that's the patriotism that this country laundry needs right there.