Straight Panic, Gay Excellence

Summary

Podcast Summary: I've Had It

Episode: "Straight Panic, Gay Excellence"

Date: December 23, 2025
Hosts: Jennifer Welch & Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Special Guest: Ashlyn Harris (Two-time Women’s World Cup Champion, Activist, Creative Consultant)
Producer: Kylie
Notable Mentions: Sophia Bush, Renee Stubbs, Carson Kressley

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Overview

In this vibrant, candid, and unfiltered episode, Jennifer, Angie (Pumps), and guest Ashlyn Harris dive deeply into politics, societal pressures, family structures, parenting pitfalls, gay excellence, and straight panic. Broadcasting from Jennifer’s NYC apartment and joined virtually by their Oklahoma-based producer and Ashlyn in New Jersey, the episode oscillates between searing commentary and uproarious humor. The crew openly challenges America’s cultural and political regression, celebrates the queer community’s resilience, and shares stories about parenting, judgment, and the true meaning of family.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Red State Fear-Mongering vs. City Life Freedom

• Angie’s Rant on Fear of Big Cities (01:22):
  • Annoyed that people always ask if she’s scared in NYC due to media-fueled narratives.
  • “No, I'm not fucking scared. I feel so safe. I feel safer in New York City with the more restrictive gun laws than I do in Oklahoma.” (Angie, 01:24)
• Jennifer’s Analysis on Rural Hypocrisy (01:58):
  • Contrasts rural “freedom” with urban diversity and autonomy.
  • “The only culture [in red states] is being a patriot and going to your church... in a large city you don't have time to be up in everybody's business. You've got shit to do...” (Jennifer, 02:33)
  • On red state politics: “These are a bunch of misfit psychopaths who have lied to you, starting from Ronald Reagan...” (Jennifer, 06:04)

2. Parenting: Grandstanding Toddlers and Public Child Etiquette

• Jennifer’s NBA Game Story (06:31):
  • Shares a harrowing tale of being “adopted” by a toddler at a Thunder game—once you make eye contact, you’re trapped.
  • “It's like feeding a stray cat. Once you’re kind to them... it's showtime for all four quarters.” (Jennifer, 08:52)
  • Comparison of toddlers to drunks: “They bite you, they throw up, they spit on you, they tell you they love you, they tell you they hate you—all within five minutes.” (Jennifer, 13:04)
• Modern Parenting Trends (10:55):
  • Critique of the “take your baby everywhere” movement.
  • Pumps: “Just certain places you shouldn't take a kid. I mean, a baby like that.” (12:09)

3. Reviews, Online Hate, and Forming Community Defense Squads

• Fighting MAGA Bots and White Nationalist Accusations (16:18):
  • Jennifer and Kylie read and discuss hateful reviews and their fanbase’s efforts to combat them.
  • Jennifer doubles down: “We here at I’ve Had It podcast firmly believe with everything in us that Stephen and Katie Miller are white nationalist Nazis.” (Jennifer, 18:17)
  • Angie: “She [Katie Miller] might be crazier than him, and that's a low bar.” (18:54)

4. Defining Real Family & Empathy vs. MAGA’s “Traditional Values”

• Inclusivity as Strength (21:22):
  • Jennifer reflects on how conservative definitions of “family” exclude and harm non-traditional households, especially LGBTQ+ and immigrant families.
  • “A single mother with one child—that is a family... My family is not more valuable because I'm white or born in America.” (24:00)
• Producer Kylie’s Personal Story (22:37):
  • “I think my family cared more about what others thought than about me being gay...” (Kylie, 22:37)

5. Welcome: Ashlyn Harris — Queer Excellence, Family, and Straight Panic

• Ashlyn’s “Had It” List (30:54):
  • Tired of straight people dictating her life: “I’ve really had it with straight people trying to tell me how to live.” (Ashlyn, 31:06)
  • “Nothing irks me more than they're like, well, let's just not be political here. And I go, oh, must be nice that everything you do doesn't revolve around your, like, literal human rights.” (Ashlyn, 31:51)
  • Jennifer reframes these arguments: “This isn’t a political disagreement... This is a moral and ethical disagreement.” (Jennifer, 32:06)
• Athlete Chat: Lesbians in Sports (33:13):
  • Jennifer’s tongue-in-cheek theory: “Are lesbians better athletes?”
  • Ashlyn: “You can’t win championships without gay people.” (Ashlyn, 34:51)
• Frustration with Self-Checkout (35:04):
  • “My patience goes to my children, not to self-checkout lines during the holidays.” (Ashlyn, 35:04)

6. Family Structures and Political Threats

• Safety of Queer Families (40:56):
  • Ashlyn: “I checked every box in Florida. Actually we’re just not safe... What do you do as a mama bear?” (Ashlyn, 41:43)
• Sanctuary Cities for LGBTQ+ People (42:16):
  • Jennifer highlights the rising need for safe cities for queer families amid hostile laws.
  • Reflects on exemplary parenting by gay dads: “They were the best flying toddlers I had ever seen... Everything about it was a 12 out of 10.” (Jennifer, 43:33)

7. On Bigotry, Media Control, and Sex

• Book Bans and Black-and-White Thinking (46:06):
  • Angie: “My worldview was black and white... When you open up, you have to evolve.” (46:44)
• Evangelical Christianity & Sex (47:24):
  • Jennifer: “At the core of evangelical Christianity... is control over sex.”
  • “It’s such a threat to MAGA because they want to have shame-free sex so bad, but they’re so into their faith.” (Jennifer, 49:22)
• Queer Liberation as Threat (51:47):
  • Ashlyn: “The queer community knows themselves... their life is full of color... I think that is what MAGA and straight white men fear—the fact that we don’t care what people think about us because we’ve already lived decades in a closet.” (Ashlyn, 51:47)

8. “Had It or Hit It” Game with Ashlyn Harris (54:32)

Fun, fast takes—including:

• Chewing with mouth open: “Had it!” (Ashlyn, 54:47)
• FIFA World Cup 2026: “Hit it. I love FIFA.” (Ashlyn, 56:30)
• Renee Stubbs: “Hit it, baby. Hot.” (Ashlyn, 58:14)
• U-Hauling with Sophia Bush: “Hit it, hit it. Sophia U-hauled her way right in.” (Ashlyn, 61:27)
• J.D. Vance: “I've had it with all of those straight white men. Bye. Send them off to an island.” (Ashlyn, 62:56)
• The USA in 2025: “I've had it with what America looks like and feels like.” (Ashlyn, 63:09)
• On activism: “We do the work. We show up. We’re not just hopeful—fuck that. I’m rolling my sleeves up. I need more people ruffling feathers...” (Ashlyn, 64:30)

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

• “If you live in New York, you just don't care because you have to cooperate with everybody as a means of survival.” (Jennifer, 02:51)
• “They're holding a mirror up to your ragged, hateful face and you know you hate what you see, so you lash out, making yourself that much worse.” (Listener Review Read Aloud, 16:12)
• “When you have children... you feel a connectedness to all other women that had ever held babies... I just can't imagine you have that feeling and you can't transfer that towards immigrant families.” (Jennifer, 18:54)
• “If you think about some of the greatest athletes of all time, they’re straight... but you can’t win championships without lesbians, gay people.” (Ashlyn, 34:16 / 34:51)
• “You're a product of what you choose to see. If I tell you to look around for something blue, that's your POV. We're not opening our eyes to other colors that belong.” (Ashlyn, 44:25)
• “That is the one thing that is so fearful to [the Right]: how big and beautiful our life can be when you drop all the labels.” (Ashlyn, 51:47)
• “We do the work. We show up... I'm rolling my sleeves up.” (Ashlyn, 64:30)
• “Ashlyn Harris—she’s cool. We're cool. She's an athlete. Some people could say I'm an athlete.” (End banter, Jennifer, 66:01)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Resentment of Fear-Mongering About Big Cities: 01:22–03:58
• Rural Politics and Hypocrisy: 03:58–06:03
• Grandstanding Toddlers & Parenting in Public: 06:03–14:09
• Fight Against Online/Bot Review Attacks: 16:11–17:55
• Empathy and Family Values Discussion: 18:54–25:28
• Introducing Ashlyn Harris – Parenting and "Kid Jail": 28:10–30:24
• Ashlyn’s “Had It” List (Straight Panic): 30:54–32:42
• Queer Athletes vs. Straights: 33:13–34:51
• Self-Checkout and AI Frustrations: 35:04–38:04
• Safety of Queer Families, Sanctuary Cities: 40:56–43:33
• Book Bans, Control & Sex: 46:06–51:47
• Had It or Hit It Game: 54:32–62:47
• Closing Reflections on America & Activism: 63:01–65:11
• Sign-off Banter: 66:01–66:42

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Tone and Style

Bold, brash, unapologetically progressive, and deeply empathetic. Jennifer and Angie’s frank irreverence is matched by Ashlyn’s clear, direct activism and humor. The episode moves effortlessly from hilarious analogies (toddlers acting like drunks, U-hauling lesbians) to serious indictments of political hypocrisy—always with an undercurrent of warmth, community, and fierce love for all families, especially those marginalized by current politics.

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For New Listeners

This episode of I’ve Had It is a must for anyone interested in sharp social and political critique delivered with wit, laughter, and absolute honesty. You’ll walk away with important insights on queer excellence, the insidiousness of fear politics, and the everlasting fight for inclusive, empathetic community.

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Episode MVPs:

• The phrase “You can’t win championships without lesbians” (34:51)
• Unfiltered family and sex talk
• Ashlyn Harris’s direct call for all listeners to "roll up your sleeves" and get to work for real change (64:30)

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

So are we supposed to start the podcast?

[C]

Ready? 1, 2, 3.

[B]

Patriots gay trots. They Brown Trio. Everybody else can fuck off. All right, welcome to America's top DEI podcast. We are in New York City in my apartment. We're actually sitting side by side because we're so tech savvy. Those of you on YouTube, we have two different cameras. Our producer is not here with us, so our lighting temperature is not exactly the same because we're Gen Xers that don't know how to do that properly.

[C]

Hey.

[B]

But we're trying. And I think I'm just going to go ahead and ask Pumps. What have you had it with?

[C]

Okay, what I've had it with. And I've had it when I tell people you move to Oklahoma City. Or if I say I'm going to New York City. Oh, are you scared? Are you scared to be there? Are you scared to be on the subway? No, I'm not fucking scared. I'm not scared even a little bit. I feel so safe. I feel safer in New York City with the more restrictive gun laws than I do in Oklahoma. So tell me. Watch Fox News without telling me because they're all about making people scared of big cities. And I've had it.

[B]

Well, it's because the remedy to obvious white supremacy is multiculturalism. And so they have to demean large cities where people live in multicultural societies and thrive and engage in arts and music and all sorts of things. And they just have to scare the rubes into thinking if you go to New York City, you're going to fall prey to crime, when in all actuality, the red state crimes are far more per capita than the blue state crimes because the Christian nationalist politicians that run the red states act like they're so Christlike and act like they're so pro life. Meanwhile, they take their Christmas photos with their kids with AR15s. It's just. It's so backwards. It's so insane. But here's to segue on what you just said. Here's something that cracks me up. People in like Oklahoma or a red state, they think they're freer, that they have more freedom. And the thing about being in New York City is somebody can walk down the street in underwear and boots and no coat. Nobody would think one thing of it. There's no judgment because people don't have time. And in these red states where the only culture is being a patriot and going to your church, it provides a very codependent, toxic, noisy, nosy culture where people are all up into everybody's business. In a large city you don't have time to be up in everybody's business. You've got shit to do, you've got to play, you're going to go see, you're going to a concert, you're going to a cool restaurant, you're going to go eat multicultural food. You don't have time to worry about what your piece of shit hypocritical, gun toting Jesus freak neighbor is doing and you don't give a what they're doing. If you live in New York, you just don't care because you are. You have to cooperate with everybody as a means of survival.

[C]

Well, and it's so refreshing to be around different cultures, different languages being spoken, different colors of people.

[B]

I don't think people on the coast.

[C]

Realize how homogenous a state like Oklahoma is. And it just, that just drives me crazy when I appreciate and that's what I love about New York City. And to your comment about freer when somebody is trying to tell you what should be in your underwear and in your bedroom and in your ob GYN appointment, that is not freedom. That is not freedom. When the government gets in everybody's business, that's the opposite of freedom.

[B]

I completely agree and I just think that there is this. You have a bunch of dipshits running these states that are religious hypocrites that weaponize their Christianity against the electorate. And I think the biggest message that the Democrats should be promoting moving forward is look at how much the Republican party has taken advantage of your vote. Look at how little they've delivered for you. Look at how rural America has to has no choice but to be a parasite tax wise off of these blue economic hubs in order to survive because your politicians have failed you so much by lying to you. They've lied to you and told you wealth will trickle down. They've lied to you and told you that if you unionize to be treated with dignity by your bosses that somehow you're a communist. They've lied to you and told you that the immigrants are coming to take your jobs and taking your health care when the truth is Elon Musk and all of the AI dipshits are the ones that are going to take all your jobs and replace it with robots. And they don't want you to have health care because they don't give a shit. But they're going to do all of this depravity in the name of Jesus. And it's just so gross. And I think the gig is up. I think a lot of people in red states are starting to see the Republican Party is the party of crime. These people, all Trump does is pardon criminals. That's it.

[C]

And commit crimes.

[B]

He commits crimes every day. Every day. This is not the party of patriotism. This is not the party of the Constitution. This is not the party of the rule of law. This is not the party of family values. These are a bunch of misfit psychopaths that have lied to you, starting from Ronald Reagan and the cherry on top. This guy that a lot of you just had to go out and triple Trump for and you're realizing, oh, he really. And I know sometimes it takes three times to get, sometimes it takes me three times to get, but he really you guys so hard. He doesn't give a about red states. He only cares what the polling number is for him. That's the only interest he has in any red state. All right. My grievance is not political, surprisingly, and I might get a lot of pushback from this. But I think that a lot of you might understand I've had it with grandstanding toddlers. And here's the, here's the example. So I was home over Thanksgiving and my sons were home as well. And my husband and my two sons and I, we went to an Oklahoma City Thunder game, which we love, NBA basketball. We go to the game and seated in front of us is a mother and a father and they have four children. And the children are all boys. And they're aged like maybe 10 months or 1 year old to probably about 6. I mean, she really popped them out, which, you know, kudos to her. It's ambitious. You want to take them all to a game, et cetera. Not my business. What became my business was the one year old sitting in front of me. And he gets up and he turns around and he raises up and the seats are pretty close together. So I'm about to 10 inches from the toddler. And he's smiling and so I smile. And then he's kind of like making a face. So I kind of make a face and you know, you can do this for a couple of minutes and you feel affection, like, oh, he's a cute little toddler and he's so cute and you trying to be nice because he's a little guy and you're a big gal and you got to be mature and all of these things, right? Well, the problem with toddlers is you, it's like feeding a stray cat. Once you're kind to them and you smile and you give them a pleasantry, the show's on and then they're going to grandstand for all four quarters of that basketball game. And this little one year old sitting there, I mean it was just non stop and I just thought, okay, don't make eye contact, don't look at him because he, you know, and the mom's just, she's as deep in alligators because she's got all these other kids. And I will say her kids were very well behaved. Like at first I was like, oh boy, this is going to be bad. But all the kids were very well behaved. But the toddler and I know you probably witnessed this on like airplanes. Once you give, give them an inch, then they think, oh, it's showtime. And then they just perform for you for the remainder of the flight, the game, whatever it is, wherever you are, in a restaurant, your meal. And I've just, I'm, I've just decided I'm going to cease making eye contact with toddlers.

[C]

I think that's a good plan. How did you end it? How did you end it? Or did it go on the whole game?

[B]

I quit making eye contact with him and like really tried. And then of course I had a hard time enjoying the game so much because in my mind I'm like, don't.

[C]

Look at the kid, right?

[B]

Don't look at the kid. You're encouraging him to, to grandson. And I had empathy for the mom because I would have never taken a one year old, never to an NBA game. I just wouldn't have. But she's trying to wrangle all of these kids that she had in rapid fire succession and you know, that wanted to go to the game, whatever, free country. But I didn't want to be the babysitter and the entertainer. So I ceased making eye contact with him completely. And that worked for about a quarter. And then he went down to his dad, which was a few seats down and then he ultimately came back and then, you know, it's nighttime, of course he started Getting tired. He started getting cranky and kudos to the mom. She, she high tucked it high tailed it out with him and the dad stayed with the other three kids and the mom and the toddler never came back. So I got the fourth quarter apiece.

[C]

Here's the thing I appreciate the mom has four kids, she's got a fire drill going on at all times. But this falls under my, you shouldn't take that little of a kid to.

[B]

Such an adult environment.

[C]

Like I get the 34 year old but when you've got a 10 month old or 1 year old, they don't have the attention span. Invariably they're going to bug people around them, spill shit. So my advice, get a babysitter. Get a babysitter.

[B]

It's this new thing. So there's like for, for our listeners that are raising kids right now, I think they're super, they get into like mom talk. And when, when you're raising children, I want to give a shout out to anybody who has a small toddler or small child at home. It's very isolating and lonely and you want to make sure you're doing everything right because it's such an important role and you feel it immediately when they put, when the doctor puts that baby in your hand. You feel the severity and how important this role is and how in charge you are of this person. And so you can find yourself, I'm sure down like tick tock and all this. So I think it's this new thing where it's like take the baby everywhere and in this woman's like defense, her baby was pretty good. I've seen some really toddlers have no business being in public. But I think it's kind of a new trend that people are taking their kids everywhere. So I think it's going to get worse.

[C]

Here's the thing, I, the mother, I have all the sympathy in the world for her. I've had the child that was the, that did all that just there are certain places you just shouldn't take a kid. I mean and a baby like that.

[B]

My thing is like the kid's not going to remember the game. This kid doesn't know what Oklahoma City Thunder is. This kid doesn't know what a 3.3 point. You know, we, the mom would had.

[C]

A better time without the kid too.

[B]

That's what I thought. I mean it's totally what I thought because I think if you can afford the tickets, six Thunder tickets in the lower bowl, you can 100% afford a babysitter. And even my 19 year old son said, like, he's cute and everything, but why did they bring him here? They're never going to remember it. So a 19 year old kind of deduced because I was more like, I'm not. I didn't want to burden other people with the alcoholic nature behavior of a toddler. And what I mean is not that toddlers are alcoholics obviously, but they act like alcoholics. They bite you, they throw up, they spit on you, they tell you they love you, they tell you they hate you, all within four or five minutes. The only thing I can even closely relate to that is being around a drunk person who does the exact same thing. So you have these little drunk toddlers. And I was very like, I didn't want my toddlers to impose on public spaces. So I would either go to super family friendly right. Restaurants, I sure as hell just because maybe I'm too selfish. If I'm going to a basketball game, I cannot watch the game and watch a one year old because one year olds are just disastrous. Anyway. The kid was grandstanding and he was cute and he was moderately well behaved. I just, I don't, I want to be nice to a toddler. But I've noticed once you are once, then it's, it's showtime. They're like, right, it's showtime. I'm gonna put on a show. And then you start feeling like an because you're not entertaining somebody else's kid who should be home with a babysitter. Because I didn't come to the NBA to watch the Oklahoma City Thunder to watch a one year old. I came to watch this great team in my home city and instead I got this grandstanding toddler and just, just went all through me.

[C]

No, it would go all through me. I sound like an no, but I agree with you. So I'm an too. All right.

[B]

Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer.

[C]

I'm Angie Hbic. That's for Beaver.

[B]

She's the star of the show. We are in New York City. We are not color temperature wise coordinated with our lighting, but we can. We're sitting right next to each other. See, look. Let me pull her over here. Look at that.

[C]

God, your light is.

[B]

Yeah, look at how. Oh yeah, yeah. Your lights. I like it in both lights. Oh my God. I'm just kidding.

[C]

So yesterday we're on the subway and just had a real yakker, super nice sat across from us and we were looking at Jennifer's phone and he goes, are you guys twins? And I Go. No, she's a lot older. And it took her like a beat to get it. She's like, she's a lot older than me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That was so funny because it took you.

[B]

You were just a little bit behind on it. Well, I was just thinking like, again, like, am I going to feed the cat? Like, do, do I want to start talking?

[C]

No, he was chatty.

[B]

He was super chatty. And I could tell. And I knew it wasn't just going to. In the conversation went on and he was as friendly as I'll get out. Almost bizarrely a little too friendly. But he was, he was a nice guy. And then he started asking a lot of questions. Where are you from? How long have you known each other? And I just. So my hesitation to defend my being significantly younger than Pumps was. I was willing to let him let her bask in the glory of a pathological lie that she's younger than me for the, for the trade off that I might not have to have a belabored conversation with the man on the subway. But my decency prevailed and I defended my youth and engaged in a conversation with the man. Thank God we only had like one stop.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You say decency, I think it's vanity. But that's just my personal opinion.

[B]

I'll take that. Okay. Yeah, I totally agree with that. That's a great correction. Okay. I think we have a producer in Oklahoma City. There she is.

[E]

Hello, Kylie.

[B]

How are you?

[E]

Good. I'm sitting in Angie's seat where she should be.

[B]

It's nice in the studio.

[C]

Yeah. Are you on my little cushion?

[E]

No, I'm not on the cushion. I'm way too tall for that.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay. I have a couple reviews for you. This one is titled Check this fellow one stars. And this is a trend because Jen made a little call to action, to the gay traits. The sadness of taking time to hate on these women just because you can't stand yourself or your own choices is bonkers. They're holding a mirror up to your ragged, hateful face and you know you hate what you see, so you lash out, making yourself that much worse. What about your life isn't deeply embarrassing? Be honest. People are kind of trying to fight back to these one star reviews. What I found funny about this one is it's a one star review.

[D]

One star.

[C]

Like they almost got the assignment.

[B]

What's the name? Week?

[C]

Week? Weekend? Weekend today.

[B]

Weekend today.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Okay, so check this fellow one stars with. The one star says hashtag almost. Yeah.

[C]

It's like so close.

[E]

Okay, here's another one. Patriot assembled. This is from same Jacob tbh. Just leaving my 5 star review as Jessica just deployed listener me to combat maga. One star bot reviews.

[B]

See, I like it. Yeah. Understood. The assignment. Patriot assembled. We need more gay trio assembled, Black trio, brown trio, they trio, all of the triads. We have to. We are. We have been under assault by MAGA bots.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I recently got into kind of a fight with Katie Miller. So they're going to be coming out even more. So I mean, it's going to get bad. So I need all of the patriots and gatriots, everybody assembled because they're going to be gunning big time because here's the thing. Katie Miller got her panties in a wad that I called her husband a white nationalist Nazi. And I just want to state for the permanent record that we hear it, I've had it podcast. Firmly believe with everything in us that Stephen and Katie Miller are white nationalist Nazis.

[C]

Yep. Well, and I just, I had some empathy for Katie Miller before she became a public figure thinking, number one, this is her husband. She has to fuck him. And then like all of his rhetoric and how mean and hateful he is, I was like, God, I kind of feel sorry for it now. I'm like, she might be crazier than him, and that's a low bar.

[B]

Here's the thing about the Katie Millers and a lot of the women in the MAGA movement that just I can. I'll never be able to relate to. When you have children and you feel this, like I talked about this, just massive responsibility, but also a love that you've never felt before, ever. Like, I don't think there's a word in the English language that can describe the feeling you have as a mother to your child. And when I was in that state with young babies, I felt isolated and vulnerable, but I also felt like my most empathetic. Like, I felt a connectedness to all of the other women that had ever held babies. And I would think times like, you know, like somebody would ring the doorbell and I'd be like, oh, my God, the baby's gonna wake up. And then I would think, God, what about women living in war zones, right. That are trying to protect their children? And I was able to transfer so much empathy that, you know, I had my love for my baby knowing that I wasn't a special mother, I wasn't unique, that this is a human experience. So all the other mothers and parents feel the same intensity that I feel, and that connects us all as human beings. And there's a connected, shared humanity in that. And I just can't imagine that you have that feeling towards your child, and you can't transfer that towards immigrant families in the United States. But then I realize they must not have that for their child because maybe they didn't receive that from their parents. So it's like generational psychopathy. Because anytime I see a woman of color in the United States with their baby, I know that the system is more stacked against her being a mother than it was against me. And I just feel empathy for that, and I think it's important to say it. So the fact that she can't transfer any of that love tells me she must not have it.

[C]

Yeah, I don't. I mean, it would. You can make that case for sure, because how can you look at your kids that you love more than anything and say, because you're brown and from another country, you should not get an education. You should not get healthy food, medication, all of that, or that you're less.

[B]

Of a family or you're less. Less of a human. You know, like, that they. That they're quantifying families. And the Republican Party has done this.

[C]

For a long time.

[B]

They quantify families. They quantified immigrant families aren't. Are not important, and they should be separated from one another. Families that have LGBTQ+ members in them are not traditional families. And so they quantify the family. And you even have instances where, like Kylie, for example, from rural Oklahoma, her parents, traditional families, traditional church. Then all of a sudden, they have this gorgeous, fabulous, wildly successful lesbian daughter. And the people whom they've spent all of their adult lives with now no longer see them as a traditional family. So it causes some reorganizing in people. And then you think, wait a minute, we're just as important of a family.

[C]

Right.

[B]

As they are. And actually, we've actually had to go through some evolution and some reconciling of maybe some black and white thinking that we had that was not helpful to other families. And so I just.

[E]

I.

[B]

When it comes to those people, I. The lack of empathy, especially when you've bred and you've had kids like God. Kylie, what do you think about all that?

[E]

I agree. And I think that is something that these families, like mine, for sure, I can speak on. They really struggle with how people perceive them as that traditional family. I think that was something they had to wrestle with really strongly is worrying about what other people thought in their communities, their church, because now they're not this traditional family. And so I think that they almost cared more about that than they did me. The actual logistics of me being gay, I think it's what will my community of these traditional families think of mine now, which is the judgment.

[C]

The judgment. Because judgment is so prevalent.

[B]

Yeah. When really we should strive to be a society. Like I strive, like when I know somebody is gay and they live in Oklahoma and they have, you know, traditional family parents, I feel the need to love them more. When, you know, when I know that my really close girlfriend of mine and her husband have a trans daughter and I know that the trans agenda is so weaponized against her well being, I really triple check in on her and triple check in on her daughter and her husband. And when I have this microphone in front of me, I really want to advocate for trans people more because I realize they need more love, not less. And that people like all of us have to share our stories and have to raise the humanity level and we have to value everybody. It could be a single mother with one child. That is a family. It's not any less than any other family. And it's just, it's. Or it could be, you know, two people that are in a relationship that live together, that choose not to have children, and they have a cat that is a family and that is valuable and that is that whole household's world. And my. Because I have two children doesn't mean that my family is more valuable or that my family is white. Doesn't mean that we're more valuable. That we were born in America doesn't mean we're more valuable. And that's just the most insidious thing that the Republican Party has done long before Trump has devalued families while saying they're pro family. And it's just such horseshit. It makes me so goddamn mad. All right, we have a guest. I bet she'll have a lot to say about this. Kylie, thank you for sharing that. We love you. All right, our guest today, she's my friend. She has been here to this very apartment for dinner. I loved her. We bond a Ramadan. She is the host of Wide Open podcast. She is a creative consultant, entrepreneur and the coolest thing on the planet. Two time women's World cup champion. Pumps and I are cool as right have athlete World cup champion.

[C]

I'm not as cool as you because she hasn't been to my apartment.

[B]

Yeah, but she loves you. She does love you. And she has our merch. She wears Kangals McTuck.

[D]

Oh, that's right.

[B]

I've seen her in yeah, she's super cool. She has a smoking hot girlfriend, Sophia Bush partner, I should say. Let's welcome my bff, Ashlyn Harris. Patriots, gaytriots, Daytriots, Black Trio, Brown Trio, and all of the MAGA assholes can do what pops. Fuck off. I'm Jennifer. I'm in New York City right now. I'm Angie.

[C]

I'm in Oklahoma City right now. But coming very soon, we're going to be together in none other than Atlanta, Georgia. Our very first live show was in Atlanta.

[D]

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[B]

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[D]

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[B]

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[D]

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[C]

Please join us. It's going to be so much fun. And as much as we're excited to see each other, we're excited to see you guys. Hope to see you there.

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[B]

Hi, how are you?

[F]

Well, I am just so fine and dandy. Who is that?

[B]

That was Cha Cha Cha Cha. She's trying hooky from doggy daycare because it's going to snow today in New York. And I decided to keep her all bundled up.

[F]

Well, let me just tell you, I. My kids came home from Scotland yesterday with my ex wife. So last night, you can only imagine, was a roller coaster.

[C]

Oh, it's awful.

[F]

I woke up to a child poking my cheek at 4 o'clock in the morning, being like, yeah, mama, wake up. I can't sleep, it's dark out. So that was my, that was my fun night last night. So Mama is here. She is alive. She has a, a coffee in one hand and a protein shake in the other. So let's go.

[B]

This is what Pumps and I would refer to as kid jail. And so you need to know, and a lot of our listeners know, but new listeners need to know where Pumps and I really bonded was. Long before the podcast, we were raising kids together and it's such a bonding experience now. We weren't Leslie's like raising kids together that way.

[C]

Right.

[B]

We were married and questioning our life choices, the time in which we chose to breed choices, but loved each other, loved our kids. And we would all throw them in a car, take them to gymnastics, all you can eat pizza buffets. Nutrition was paramount.

[D]

Right.

[B]

But it's very, we were just talking for sometimes raising kids. It's obviously more than anything uber rewarding, but can also be very isolating. You feel very isolated from the world that you used to be a part of. Pre children.

[F]

Well, I mean, you know, my chic Leslie friends in New York City, all they do is hang out, go to social clubs, have dinners, and I'm like, I'm mommy with a, with a three and four year old. Like, I am lucky to get out once a week. And if that, if I can get out once a week, it's a success for me.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Your kids are little. You are in the weeds.

[F]

It's fun though. I love it. It's a type of, it's a type of suffering. I'm kind of used to being a professional athlete. It really, it just like, it triggers my, like back in the day where I'm like, I just, this is about suffering and being better and working hard at things and testing my patience. So I just, I just yuck it up to. Here we go. We're just rolling our sleeves up. We're going to suffer a little more.

[B]

All right, so Ashlyn Harris, what have you had it with?

[F]

Oh, gosh, we're gonna just get right into it.

[B]

I love this.

[F]

Okay. I can, I can I list a few because I live in Trump's America. So I've had it, clearly, with a lot.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

First and foremost, I'm really. I've really had it with straight people trying to tell me how to live. I just have had it.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

No more. Stop. Enough.

[B]

Can't we just. Can't we just shorten that to I've had it with straight people?

[F]

Well, I didn't want to, like, you know, because I love you both, so I don't.

[B]

Of course. Of course. I can only imagine how exhausting it would be to be queer gay, Leslie. All of the letters in Trump's America and the sanctimony of the Straits in the administration acting like they're better than everybody else. It's just so abhorrent. Yeah.

[F]

And nothing irks me more than they're like, well, let's just not be political here. And I go, oh, must be nice that everything you do doesn't revolve around your, like, literal human rights.

[B]

Okay, cancel.

[C]

It's a privilege.

[B]

My thing, Ashlyn, is when they say. I think the response, the collective response that we need to say to triple Trumpers and to MAGA at large, if they say, I don't want to talk about politics or, we're not political, is we need to say, oh, you're mistaken. This isn't a political disagreement that I'm having with you. This is a moral and ethical disagreement that I have with you. So this is not even remotely about politics, morally and ethically. I have a problem with you. If we were disagreeing about tax policy, I would agree. That's a boring subject. Let's not talk about that. But we're talking about human rights.

[F]

Exactly. Exactly.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Sophia and I just last Friday went to the out 100 event, and people, you know, media was there asking questions, and I'm like, girl, you know how we feel. Let me just be gay. And at this party, I don't need to talk to you about how awful it is out there. Like, we all know. Like, let this moment of queerness and excellence and everyone actually being able to blend their makeup and dress nicely, like, let me have my moment.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I have a question for you, and this is based on my own. My own anecdotal research. I have a hypothesis that lesbians are better athletes than straight women. And my. I have developed this by playing pickleball with a bunch of lesbians, okay? And they are just a little different on the court. There's a little bit more intensity. There's a little bit more athleticism. The cat, like, reactions are a little bit More fine tuned. And so on your soccer team, I would imagine you had straight women plus lesbians. And my question for you is, on your team, were the lesbians more talented than the straights?

[F]

I think it's a mixed bag.

[B]

Okay, okay.

[F]

Yeah, I think it's a mixed bag. I do think there's more queer people in women's sports, period. But I do think it's a mixed bag because if you think about some of the greatest players of all time, whether it's Mia Ham, you know, Alex Morgan, people like this, they're straight, straight.

[B]

Straight women tennis world, Serena Williams.

[F]

Yeah. So yeah, Renee stabs. Yes, exactly.

[B]

She's a lesbian.

[C]

Oh, that's right, that's right, that's right.

[F]

A very big lesbian. I'm sorry, straight about her. But then you have like, you know, your Abby Wambachs and like your Megan Rapinoe. And it's funny because when we won the World Cup, I think in it was 2015 or 2019. Megan Rapinoe says you can't win championships without lesbians, gay people. And it went everywhere. And it's the truth. Like you just, you can't win championships without gay people.

[B]

I really like that.

[F]

I really like. I live by it.

[B]

All right. Another, another grievance that you need to. Another grievance that you had were self checkouts. And I just want to talk about that. We.

[F]

No, no, no pumps. I know you don't know me, but hear me out, okay? My patients go to my children not to self check out lines during the holidays. Everyone is going to buy things, period. I went to Michael's because Sophia and I were decorating, you know, our tree. We needed the garland and the trinkets and trash. There were four checkout lines. There were 400 people and not one employee. And every time you like, you do the beep beep and then it goes, please see an employee. Well, now what am I supposed to do? No one works anymore. So it took so long to just like we had a hundred items because they're little trinkets. There's you got to do ornament by or I it it. I've lost my mind with it enough. I don't like the robots. I don't like the technology. Give me back to a normal human that slides and scans and we can talk, we can BS all we want about whatever it is going on in both of our lives at the moment. Like give me a human. It's, it's just I've had it with it. I've had it with the self check, like, am I going to be making the food next? And checkout lines, like they have all of us doing everything nowadays and I'm, I'm over it. I don't have time. I. Patience.

[C]

I hate the self checkout for the reason that you mentioned. Hate it when it says you need to see an associate, find me one. I'd be happy to see an associate but you can't find me one. And then I think Jennifer makes fun of me, but I think it's harder to do the scan and quick and back. I mean it's kind of an art a little bit. It's not just the easiest thing for me. So I'm slow. But yeah, I think self checkout is pumps.

[F]

God forbid you forget your bags too. Nowadays you can't even get bags here. Yeah, yeah, it's always out. They were like, sorry, we have, we don't have bags. And I'm like, oh, okay. So I have a hundred items. I'm checking out myself. And now what am I. And, and Michael's told me I couldn't bring the cart outside because people were, you know, we're stealing the car.

[B]

Yeah, right.

[F]

We're in New Jersey. So now we're, we're really getting somewhere. They're like, no, you can't take the cart outside. People steal them.

[B]

You have to keep. But isn't this all lead back to the big lie of the election? The election was immigrants are taking your jobs. Right. And the truth of the matter is I eat up the entire workforce. So in essence, the people who donated to Donald Trump's campaign to be bigots towards brown skinned workers in this country were actually going to gobble up all the jobs that white people are doing. Americans, quote, they call I, I do not support this phrase but heritage Americans, they're replacing all of those jobs with AI jobs. So the job thieves the whole time have been Donald Trump's donors. Yeah, yeah.

[F]

I mean the misinformation out there and everything he ran on has been out. It's just been such a nightmare. Everything has been, it's doomsday. And it's like so hard to compartmentalize everything because it's like I want to find joy and like raising my children and it's a beautiful time to be alive when you have everything you ever wanted. And then it's like the reality hits of this is really, I like if I could get two minutes with him, God bless, I would start by blending his also. I'm sure, honey, you need more gay people in your life.

[B]

Yeah, for sure.

[F]

You wouldn't look like an orange banana or orange peel. You wouldn't look unbelievable. Like all of his clothing and like, it's disgusting. I'm like, you act. Get a gay person to do your hair, please. Yeah, get a gay person to do your makeup because it's, it's showing very straight and white.

[C]

Well, except for Bubba. Who's Bubba?

[B]

Yeah, I think, I don't probably, I think he probably wouldn't put up too much of a fight to be surrounded by a bunch of gay men. I mean, every time I hear him, he's talking about how hot men are the size of Arnold Palmer's cock. Given a microphone, a blowjob. Jeffrey Epstein's brother revealed he sucked off some guy named. Information on that. But I want to. Before you came on, we're talking about something and we're talking about family. Okay? And how the Republican Party has tried to define long before Trump, traditional family, Traditional family values, which excludes so many people. And in your family, you have, you and your ex wife are raising your black children together. So two lesbian mothers, two black children. Your partner Sophia, co parent. You know, with this situation, I don't know what the ex wife, if there's a co parent there. But there is this desire from these, quote, Christian people that value children now. They value, Surprise, surprise. They say they value women's sports and they value family. But in their mind, and in the mind of a lot of the electorate, they would see your family as not good, as an abomination. And a lot of people, and I just have to be blunt with you, a lot of people in the Bible, but would say it was demonic and really horrible, cruel, mean things about your family. And I think the Democratic Party needs to take action to reclaim what family means.

[F]

Yes, I agree. I, I agree 100. I think, you know, we've, we're trying to move so far backwards that we don't even know what mission we're on at this point. We don't know. Like, I, I think it's just got all so jaded and, and so lost in the weeds. But yeah, I checked every box. I lived in Florida, adopted both of the children through adoption law in Florida, and was playing there professionally with my ex wife and they started doing the don't say gay bill. Then it was like book bans. And I was like, okay, like, we're checking every box here and actually we're just not safe. I think what it comes down to is I don't, like, I don't know what goes on in you guys homes. You don't know. Really, you know, you don't know what goes on in mine. And I'm like, let's keep our. Like, we don't have to agree, but we can respect. Like, I, yes, I have a black and brown child. I love women. I'm checking every box in Florida. I picked my up and I moved out. But also, like, that's so sad. Like, that was my village. That's like where my mom is and that's like where our family was. And I have my brother, my cousins and my best friends and it's just not safe. And what do you do as a mama bear?

[B]

Like, and I think that's something that's really underreported right now is the safety of LGBTQ + people in red states. And if you get to the children of, you know, a gay parent all the way to a trans child that is trying to go to maybe, you know, a therapy session and you see that there's going to be a need for sanctuary cities for LGBTQ + people. And the, the safety issue and the judgment that I see from having lived in Oklahoma for 50 years towards gay people with an assist from the mega churches they drive. So much of this homophobia, it's so devastating because I go, this is anecdotal again, of course, but Pumps and I, when we were on tour for the podcast, multiple times, we would be flying and there would be two gay dads with their toddlers, and I'd sit down and think, oh, here we go. By the toddlers. I'm going to tell you what, these toddlers, those dads ran a tight ship.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

They were the best flying toddlers I had ever seen. They weren't dirty, they had on great outfits, manners, had great behavior. They had cute backpacks. Everything about it was a 12 out of 10. And it always just strikes me at how I know from living in a white patriarchal Christian nationalist state. I know the lens that the judgmental Christians sitting two rows back, I know how they're going to judge those dads and judge those kids and dehumanize and demoralize them, and it just, it makes me so angry that these people, and I guarantee you, Pumps and Ashton, if we looked at the Google search history of these people that are real judgmental about you and your lifestyle, I guarantee you it's not good. I bet a lot of going on in the Google search history, I, I completely agree.

[F]

And I think you're, you're a product of what you choose to see. I Think it shows in lack of education for me. Like, if. If I were to tell, you know, you guys to look around your room and look for something blue, I mean, you're just. Your POV is blue. You're not opening your eyes to other things and other colors and other things that belong. You're just looking through the lens of one thing. And I think too often, especially now with this political landscape, people only see, like, we're in such this, like, fight or flight mode, and people handle it so differently. The problem is, is we're not open eyes, and our hearts, we're closing them because we're all scared. And we're only seeing the things that are catering to our wants and needs, not necessarily our community and other people who don't look like us. So I think until we take the blinders off and wake up and realize we're really harming a lot of people because we're not choosing to do the work and, like, doing. Read books. I don't know, read real truthful things about what's going on and how it's really affecting and harming people and their families. People are only going to see blue. They're not going to see the reds. And I can see the purples, and I see the browns and the blacks. They're just seeing the blue. And I think that is my biggest issue and the way I move in life is how can I see all of it? And if I can't, how am I holding myself accountable? Being like, ooh, in this situation, how would someone like this feel? And I don't know if we necessarily do enough of that.

[C]

That.

[B]

Well, I would say that they're banning a lot of the books that you're probably recommending that people read.

[C]

Yeah, I did read recently. The majority of banned books are by black and brown authors, as a surprise to absolutely no one. But Ashlyn, I grew up in Oklahoma, super evangelical society. And when you say that you're taught, look for blue. My worldview was black and white. That's how it was. That's how my mother's was. That's what I thought was right. And you're so right. When you open up, like, it changes. You have to evolve because you see things you've never seen. And other people's perspective is something I had no idea about. It was my perspective. It was what I liked.

[B]

I'm special.

[C]

But, yeah, so the blue example, that really hits with.

[F]

Yeah. And I think, you know, I think we're really, really harming people by diving in and take, like, Peeling back the layers of their piece and what goes on in there. Like, I know there's plenty of weird, wonky, straight people out there doing weird ass in their home, right? Yeah, go on. Don't hurt people. Don't judge people. Do your thing, get your kink, make sure it's age appropriate, blah, blah, blah. Not my problem. So I'm like, I'm so confused why people care so deeply about the hot chick I'm every night. Like, what do we.

[C]

Why?

[B]

Because at the core of evangelical Christianity, in my opinion, is control over sex. And it starts when people are very young. And so I was raised by atheists in the Bible belt. So when I would be hanging out with my peers, their number one thing that they talked about all of the time was remaining a virgin. I have to be a virgin. I have to keep my virginity. It's this. They are indoctrinated and brainwashed. You know, you go to church, be a good girl, keep your virginity. Virgin, virgin, virgin. Of course, these girls lost their virginity far sooner than the atheists did because they're just dying to go do it. Then it was like all this guilt and then they're going to be born again virgins. And then it moves on to when they can't control their own sexual urges because we're genetically hardwired to.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Then they start trying to control the sexual urges of other people. And evangelical Christianity, which is at the epicenter of Christian nationalism, is all about controlling sex.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

So it gets really, really, really bad for the evangelical when they see that somebody is completely liberated into their sexuality and are, you know, two women having sex or two men having sex. And what you had to go through to be able to get through the societal constraints and the expectation that that's not what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to find opposite sex and you breed and you live happily ever after. That's thrust upon all of us through capitalism, through education, through living at home, through toys we play with. Everything drives us to that narrative. So for a gay person to jump out of that narrative, you have to dig deep. And you had to dig a lot deeper than the Christian who's just focusing on being a virgin. And then, oops, sorry, we, you know, now we're going to start soaking and I'm going to be a born again virgin. All this. Yes. Or kids have to go through instead of just. And buying condoms. Yeah.

[C]

Right.

[B]

Like normal people. And so then it's just, it's such a threat to them. And I think it's Such a threat to MAGA because they want to have shame free sex. They desperately want to, but they're so into their faith. And I think, honestly, you guys, I think the whole abortion thing, my opinion is they don't. It's not about pro life because we know they don't give a show. It's about labeling the woman as a. She's not a virgin anymore and she had sex outside of marriage so that she will be deemed less. And I think it's a punitive thing because the whole epicenter of the whole evangelical white nationalist thing is controlling sex, right?

[C]

Yeah, yeah, that part.

[F]

And I think the other thing is. Yeah, well, controlling women is. We're getting, we're gaining too much traction and control and that is like literally exactly what they don't want. And my thing is, is what I love so much about, you know, when you talk about they are fearful of this, that or the other. What I think is so also what people don't talk about enough is the queer community knows themselves so like true and they're so authentic and they live a life full of color because they don't give a. Because they know themselves that well. When you think about drag and you think about trans and you think about just beautiful gay men wearing a full face of makeup or really chic lesbians, these people know exactly who they are and they don't fit in line. They don't follow the rules the way society tells us to do because we live our truth. And I think that is what this, you know, MAGA and straight white men, it, it, it's a feeling inside them that was like if I had follow the rules and I had to, you know, follow in line and do this and go to school and be a lawyer and you know, whatever the they tell themselves, the fact that we live a life that's so abundant and so colorful and live our truth and do whatever the fuck we want because we don't care what people think about us because we, we already live decades in a closet doing that shit. I think that is the one thing that is so fearful to everyone is how big and beautiful our life can be when you drop all the labels.

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[B]

Ashlyn, we're gonna play our game with you. Called had it or Hit it.

[D]

Oh my God.

[B]

Welcome to had it or Hit it. I would hit it.

[D]

I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day.

[B]

Had it or hit it. People who chew with their mouth open.

[F]

I've had it. Had it, had it. It's like claws on a chalkboard for me.

[B]

I completely agree. Sometimes my husband does this and we'll be like, and I just, I like hyper focus and stare at his mouth and I make a face like, so he knows that I'm disgusted by it. And then sometimes, and I'm like, josh, you care so much about your hair, your physique and your outfits. Why are you Talking to people while you're chewing food. It's gross. Take it over the finish line if you can't cherry pick. If you're going to be vain, be all the way vain. Don't just try to pick a few things to be vain about. Just go.

[F]

Go for it. Can I tell you what I do? Wait, before we move to the next one, I film Sophia and I zoom in. So uncomfortably close. And I don't say anything, and I send it to her. That's the level.

[B]

Right? Stop.

[D]

Right.

[B]

That gorgeous creature, Sophia Bush. She is a preacher and company.

[C]

Yeah, he. Now he's gonna be proud of it.

[B]

Yep.

[F]

Wait till we have dinner again at your place. Full open mouth.

[B]

Oh, Josh.

[G]

Sophia.

[B]

I'll just be down at the end of the table.

[C]

That's kind of a child start. So maybe she missed that parenting lesson.

[F]

I mean, and she's got this. These, like, jaws, and it's like, I can't even believe the sound coming out of it. I'm like, this can't be real. You're too cute to chew like this.

[B]

No. That is hilarious.

[F]

That's. Yeah, I've had it with it.

[B]

Okay. Had it or hit it? The FIFA World Cup 2026.

[F]

Yeah, hit it. I love FIFA.

[B]

Okay, Kylie put a note here that Iran just announced they're boycotting the World cup draw ceremony due to denied visas by the Trump administration.

[F]

Oh, I love that.

[C]

See, I kind of. I loved the World cup when you guys. I was in every minute, which I want to say thank you for using your platform for equal pay. That was.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

It was so important. So I appreciate you using because you were in all this glory and then had this fight on your hands.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

But I kind of think FIFA should be like, we're not coming to the United States because of the human rights violations. In fact, Christy, now I'm sitting there going, we're going to deport people from the arena. The Super Bowl. We're going to deport people at the World Cup. I'm just like, don't come. Like, if you value brown. Your brown skin. Countrymen don't come.

[F]

Well, the president and Trump are, like, in bed together, so that's the issue. FIFA is so corrupt. The things that they do, the way they handle things, they just, like, have no. No moral compass, in my opinion. I'm getting trouble for saying this, but it's just like, you guys, it's just. It's so in your face, too. Like, at least try to hide it a little bit and deny it. And then off behind closed doors. But like, Trump gave him an office in Trump Tower. And doing all these things, like, they're in bed together.

[B]

It's.

[F]

It's weird. White men are weird. I don't know how y'.

[B]

All.

[C]

Y' all date weirder.

[F]

Married.

[B]

You got it. They're just like, Josh. I had to shine the out of that. Oh, she was a rough time. And I mean, it was a two decade long project. Now he's great, but it was a big investment. All right, had it or hit it, Renee Stubbs.

[F]

Hit it, baby. Hot.

[B]

We had dinner. We had dinner with Renee last night. Renee's just cool, you know, she just. She's so listener. Renee Stubbs. She's been on the podcast twice. She's grand slam tennis champion, doubles player, Australian, and a great mutual friend of my and Ashlyn's and pumps. And she's just the best.

[C]

She's hilarious.

[F]

Wait, can I tell you a really sweet story really quick, because you both will love this. So when I went through my divorce a few years ago, and it was my first Thanksgiving, my first holiday without my children, I was, like, so upset. I was just, like, not good. She rented a car, she picked me up, and she was like, I'm taking you to my friend's house. We're like a bunch of gay guys. We're gonna have a great time. And it was Carson Kressley. They, like, knew what I was going through. Like, he put me in his master bedroom like this. The sweet, like, held me in a. We went on these therapeutic walks to the horses. Guess who we were listening to the whole time? And she introduced me to I've had it podcast. She was like, you have to watch this. Listen to it. They're my, like, friends. I'm obsessed with them. We listened to it the whole weekend on the drives, on the walks. And it was so sweet because she was like, it's. It's like. It was a really, really sweet time for us to connect. But you guys were there too, and you didn't even know it.

[C]

I love that.

[B]

And I love that. The one thing that I love about the gay community is that family is such a movable, evolutionary thing. And that for that Thanksgiving break, you made a family. Carson Kressley and Renee Stubbs. And you, in the absence of your children so they could be with their other mother. And I have always had an abundance of gay friends and that warmth and that ability to open up arms and welcome people, because so many in the gay community have been shunned by their very own parents. And so the acceptability, especially around big moments like that is undefeated in the gay community. The empathy, the welcoming, the sense of family, and the sense of humanity. So I just love that story and that pumps and I were there.

[C]

You were there.

[F]

You didn't even know it, but you were there.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You have better lives.

[F]

Oh, look at you.

[C]

Put.

[F]

You're together.

[B]

Yeah, we're together.

[F]

I should be over there. Why am I. I know, I know.

[B]

I shouldn't have had you come over.

[C]

Except that you have kids that just got home from Scotland.

[F]

That's okay. They're at school. I was like, no, no. You're not too tired to go to school? Bye.

[B]

Bye.

[F]

Mama's got to work.

[C]

I would take my kids. I would. No sacrifice was too large to get my kids to school.

[B]

Never. Absolutely. Nope. Yeah. Okay, moving along. Had it or hit it. Posting thirst traps with Sophia Bush baby did it.

[F]

She just posted one last night.

[B]

Late.

[F]

I woke up this morning, I said, okay, girl, go on.

[B]

All right. Had it or hit it? You hauling.

[F]

Hit it, hit it. I feel like Sophia. U hauled her way right in. She was like, what? I'm from Jersey too. She picked up and moved here right away. I was like, are you sure?

[B]

I love it. She the hinges from the closet right into the U haul. Straight into New Jersey. She's like, I'm here. I'm queer. Here's my U haul.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's post the thirst trap.

[F]

And she's so proud of it. Literally has a U haul hat. Like she. She is. She. She is playing right in. She really is.

[B]

One great thing about you and your partner. The fight for human rights.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Never dulls. And your voices just get louder and louder, and it can feel. So you being from a marginalized group has not diminished you. Both of you using your platforms to let other young LGBTQ plus people. Young, old, whatever. We're still here. We're still queer. We're still fighting for you, and we will not be silenced by that administration. And it's just so admirable because you see so many chicken cowards.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

In the United States right now that. That want to be pick me. And they want to be popular to everyone. And just. I just. I really like how vocal you guys are.

[F]

So hit it.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Okay.

[B]

All right. Had it or hit it, J.D. van.

[F]

I have had it with all of those straight white men.

[B]

Bye. Bye.

[F]

Send them off to an island.

[B]

Okay, last one. Had it or hit it. The United States of America.

[F]

I would say. I don't. That's really hard because I don't recognize this America. This is not the America I recognize. I will say that. And we have a long way to go to come back. So I'm going to say I've had it with it is in this moment what America looks like and feels like. I've had it.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

It's very fair. Like, honestly, we should all have it. Have had it. Yeah. With what they're doing right now and the way they're treating people.

[F]

Yeah. I think the other thing is, Jennifer, is like, you can. You can. I can say, you know, as someone who represented their country for a very long time, who, like, putting your hand over your heart and singing the national anthem and representing your country meant everything in the world to you. But, like, I have to be clear when I say this. Even though we've had it with this current climate and political landscape, let me be very clear. Like, we do the work. We show up. We're not sitting here and we're like, someone else will do it. We'll just keep staying hopeful. Oh, fuck that. No, no, no. I'm rolling my sleeves up. And no matter how big or small my community, community is this microphone or platform. Like, I go for it. And I need more people, like, ruffling feathers and going for it and building within their community. Like, truth and care and empathy and connection. Like, we have to get back.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

But, like, so many people are isolated and, like, it's almost like they're frozen. I'm like, no, no, no thought out, honey. Go to Florida. Go on a quick vacation. I don't know. Figure it out. But you need to come back fighting, because it's going to take everyone.

[B]

I agree.

[C]

I agree with that.

[B]

And I think it's. It's so important that all of us continue without fear, and we exercise every right that we have every single day. Which is why I always call Stephen Miller and Katie Miller white nationalist Nazis without hesitation, without fear of anything, because that is my right.

[F]

And that's why I love you and I want you to never change.

[B]

Ashlyn Harris. I love you. I want our double date, please. We need to have a five person.

[C]

I know. I need to come.

[F]

How long are you here? Just move here. What are you doing.

[B]

Husky? To die.

[F]

Oh. Oh, Jesus. Okay, well, we'll bless. Bless up, bless up to that lesbian God. We'll send. We'll send that doggy to the good place, the queer place. Bounce from rainbow to rainbow.

[B]

Yes. All right, Ash. And we love you. Tell Sophia hello. Thank you for coming on our pod.

[C]

Yes, thank you. It was a blast.

[F]

Love you both.

[B]

Bye, darling.

[F]

Thanks for having me.

[B]

All right, listener that. She's cool.

[C]

She's cool. We're cool.

[B]

She's an athlete. Some people could say I'm an athlete.

[C]

You say you're an athlete. I don't think anybody else does.

[B]

I think she's right. Nobody says I'm an athlete except for me. Which means that I'm an athlete. All right, buy our book. It is called Life is a Lazy Susan of Sandwiches. It's right here. Hang on. And here's the thing. I can show you. We. You can. It's the. It's the it stocking stuffer. But look, we can move it over to. We're having so much fun today without a producer. We did our own studio setup, which.

[C]

Is why the light sucks, which is.

[B]

Why we look like idiots. But hey, you know what?

[C]

We did it.

[B]

The show goes on.

[C]

The show goes on.

[B]

Subscribe to our podcast and we will.

[C]

See you next Tuesday and Thursday.

[B]

I'll tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that. Listen up, patriots, gaytriots and natriots.

[D]

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[C]

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[B]

Please go rate, subscribe and review so.

[D]

That we will charge upwards with America's greatest legal mind.

[B]

Pumps.

[D]

Pumps. What does an eagle say?

[F]

Caca.

[B]

A little bit more enthusiasm. Caca.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

That's. That's. That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.

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