Supremely Screwed

Summary

Podcast Summary: "Supremely Screwed" – I've Had It Release Date: July 17, 2025

Hosts: Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan
Guest: Leah Littman, Law Professor at the University of Michigan

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1. Opening Discussions and Clapping Intro Dilemma

Timestamp: 01:03 – 03:01

Jennifer Welch initiates the episode by addressing the often-overlooked challenges of maintaining engaging content amidst routine structures. Angie “Pumps” Sullivan expresses her frustration with the podcast's clapping intro, especially when guest appearances make it feel awkward.

Angie: "I have had it with the clap to start, because here's why. If we have someone in person and we do it, I feel like the world's biggest dipshit..." (01:29)

Discussion Points:

• The discomfort of performing the clapping intro in front of guests.
• Consideration of evolving the podcast’s introduction to better suit diverse settings.

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2. Critique of Moderates in Politics

Timestamp: 03:01 – 07:18

Pumps launches into a passionate critique of political moderates, arguing that self-identifying as moderate often masks exclusionary tendencies towards marginalized groups. She asserts that moderates in today's polarized environment fail to fully support DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) initiatives, effectively perpetuating systemic inequalities.

Pumps: "When somebody says, 'I'm a moderate,' they're allowing for some space in that statement that is exclusionary to marginalized groups." (03:08)

Key Insights:

• Moderates vs. Independence: While independence can signify autonomy from corporate interests, self-identified moderates often lack genuine commitment to DEI.
• Impact on Society: In the current socio-political climate, moderates are seen as inadequate or complicit in maintaining systemic biases.

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3. White Women and Internalized Misogyny

Timestamp: 05:01 – 07:18

The conversation shifts to the role of white women in perpetuating systemic issues. Pumps and Angie discuss how white women, particularly in the South, exhibit internalized misogyny and lack awareness of historical struggles for civil and women's rights.

Pumps: "There’s a group of white women, especially in the south, that have so much internalized misogyny. And it's really, really gross..." (06:27)

Discussion Points:

• Historical Context: The disconnect between past movements for equality and current attitudes.
• Generational Influences: Angie shares her personal journey of overcoming internalized misogyny in her 30s and 40s.

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4. Promotion of "Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches"

Timestamp: 07:40 – 14:48

Jennifer and Pumps introduce their book, "Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches," highlighting its themes of vulnerability, personal struggles, and resilience. They share heartfelt listener reviews that emphasize the book's relatability and emotional impact.

Kylie: "This one's for you. Loved this book. Five stars..." (10:31)
Pumps: "Things that could be damaging or like a shiny object that takes away from the larger point." (12:55)

Key Themes:

• Vulnerability and Resilience: The authors discuss the challenges of sharing personal stories and the importance of vulnerability.
• Listener Connection: Emotional reviews underscore the book’s authenticity and its role in validating listeners' experiences.

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5. News Stories and Social Commentary

Timestamp: 14:48 – 28:32

Pumps and Angie delve into current events, offering their critical perspectives. They discuss a case involving Debbie Wood, dubbed "the world's most jealous woman," whose insecurities lead her to extreme surveillance of her husband. The hosts link this narrative to themes in their book, emphasizing the chaotic nature of modern relationships.

Pumps: "It's horrific what she's going through on multiple levels..." (15:20)

Additional Topics:

• Soft Life Movement: Analysis of a global study where 74% of women prefer relationships with men who assume full financial responsibility. Pumps critiques this trend as propaganda influenced by mega-churches and corporate interests.

  Pumps: "This is online propagandizing and brainwashing... psychological warfare." (19:07)

• Impact on Women: Discussion on how such movements can place women in subordinate power dynamics, potentially leading to financial dependency and loss of autonomy.

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6. Guest Segment: Leah Littman on the Supreme Court

Timestamp: 28:32 – 65:31

Introduction of Leah Littman: Leah Littman, a prominent law professor and author, joins the podcast to discuss the current state of the Supreme Court and its alignment with conservative agendas.

Key Discussions:

• Supreme Court's Institutional Failures:

  Leah: "The idea that these justices are engaged in a serious project of law is just so obviously false..." (30:20)

• Rulings and Originalism:

  Leah: "Big corporate interests recognize the importance of controlling the Supreme Court..." (33:42)

• Justice Clarence Thomas and Alleged Corruption:

  Pumps: "Harlan Crow purchased Justice Thomas's mother's home while she was still living there..." (33:48)

• Impact of Citizens United:

  Leah: "Citizens United opened the door for unlimited money in politics... a first step that sped this up in such a cataclysmic way." (43:01)

• Backlash Against Feminism:

  Leah: "The rise of originalism and the jurisprudence of the Republican justices is rooted in a backlash to feminism." (38:43)

Notable Quotes:

• Leah Littman: "They (Supreme Court justices) are selected not for their merit but for their alignment with corporate and conservative interests." (34:16)
• Pumps: "Justice Roberts is, like, not making conflict of interest, allowing Alito and Thomas to weigh in on these January six cases. I'm like, you have no fucking balls." (41:02)

Insights:

• Perceived Corruption: The close ties between certain justices and wealthy benefactors raise questions about impartiality.
• Judicial Bias: The court's decisions often favor corporate interests and conservative ideologies over progressive reforms.
• Future Implications: Concerns about the long-term effects of rulings like Citizens United on democracy and governance.

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7. Game Segment: "Had It or Hit It"

Timestamp: 54:05 – 67:39

The hosts engage in their signature game, "Had It or Hit It," where they evaluate various topics based on their perspectives.

Highlights:

• Taylor Swift Opinions:

  Leah: "I'm not going to name names, but I'm tired of men reducing women to breeding." (56:04)
  Pumps: "I've had it with men who aren't real fans giving their takes on Taylor Swift's albums..." (56:04)

• Alligator Alcatraz:

  Leah: "Calling it Alligator Alcatraz does not convey the depths of the depravity..." (57:43)

• Zoran Mamdani:

  Leah: "He breaks the stereotype of the boogeyman that Fox and other right-wing propaganda have built." (60:47)

• P.Diddy Verdict:

  Leah: "Grateful he was convicted on some accounts, sad he was let go on more serious charges." (61:58)

Guest Interaction: Leah Littman participates enthusiastically, offering her perspectives and engaging seamlessly with the hosts.

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8. Final Thoughts and Future Episodes

Timestamp: 67:39 – 68:37

The hosts wrap up the episode by reflecting on the discussions and teasing future content.

Angie: "I have a news flash that... there are a lot of people that are below average intelligence in the United States of America." (66:25)

Conclusion:

• Critical Reflection: Both hosts express concerns about the current socio-political climate and the state of public discourse.
• Guest Appreciation: Jennifer and Pumps commend Leah Littman for her insights and intellectual contributions.
• Upcoming Content: Teasers for new segments and encouragement for listeners to engage with their book and upcoming podcast content.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Angie on Clapping Intro: "I have had it with the clap to start... this is stupid." (01:29)

• Pumps on Moderates: "I have had it with moderates... You're either batshit crazy or you're for everybody or you're not." (04:09)

• Pumps on Internalized Misogyny: "It's really, really gross that they have no knowledge of history and the fight for civil rights..." (06:27)

• Leah on Supreme Court Institutional Failures: "The idea that these justices are engaged in a serious project of law is just so obviously false..." (30:20)

• Pumps on Citizens United: "Citizens United under the Roberts Court will be the first step that sped this up in such a cataclysmic way..." (43:01)

• Angie on Intelligence Levels: "I didn't realize there were so many breaking news... America is full of dipshits." (66:25)

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Conclusion

In "Supremely Screwed," Jennifer Welch and Angie “Pumps” Sullivan deliver a potent mix of personal grievances, sharp political critique, and insightful commentary on current events. The inclusion of guest Leah Littman enriches the discussion, offering expert perspectives on the judicial system and its broader societal implications. The episode underscores the hosts' commitment to addressing systemic issues with both humor and depth, engaging listeners who seek both entertainment and critical analysis.

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For those interested in further exploring the topics discussed, consider reading "Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches" by Jennifer Welch and Angie Sullivan.

Transcript

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[Pumps]

So are we supposed to start the podcast? Ready?

[Angie]

1, 2, 3.

[Pumps]

Patriots gay trio. They trio. Black trio. Brown trio. Welcome to America's top DEI podcast. Featuring America's top legal eagle and America's greatest legal mind. America's top podcaster, my beloved best friend and co host Pumps. What have you had it with?

[Angie]

Okay, I know this is gonna anger a lot of people, but I've kind of had it with the clap to start, because here's why. If we have someone in person and we do it, I feel like the world's biggest dipshit. For some reason, when you and I are just in the room, I don't feel weird about it. But, like, when JVN was here, I just had this, like, oh, my gosh, this is so embarrassing. And I even get embarrassed. Like, in front of Josh? No, more like, this is stupid.

[Pumps]

Like, you're doing a cheerleading routine at 55.

[Angie]

Right. Like I'm past my Dallas Cowboys cheerleader prime. So what do you think?

[Pumps]

I have to say, sometimes I think when we do the Patriots gay traits, I think, is everybody sick of this? And then you start calling like an eagle that we've kind of morphed into a beaver. And then I reminded at your advanced age that we could look breathtakingly ridiculous. But I'll tell you what, when Kylie reads the reviews and stuff, I think it fires. Fires people up.

[Angie]

Yeah. So what you think the claps. We do the claps.

[Pumps]

I just, I. What I want to do here is get feedback from the listener.

[Angie]

Okay, that's a good idea.

[Pumps]

Should we roll out the clap? You know Only on Tuesdays and get a new routine for our beaver on Thursday. Should we do away with it all together? Should we do a new intro? Should we have some sort of, you know, new way that we start the show? Or do you all like it? Are we just so sick of us? We assume that you guys are sick. Right.

[Angie]

That. I think that's probably what it is. Yeah. Yeah.

[Pumps]

Okay, let me tell you what I've had it with, okay? I have had it with moderates.

[Angie]

No, you don't say.

[Pumps]

I just. I think when somebody says, well, I'm a moderate, they're allowing for some space in that statement that is exclusionary to marginalized groups. Meaning if somebody says they're moderate, then they don't go all the way in on DEI being a legitimate proposal for a very, very diverse nation like the United States of America. Or they say, I'm moderate. And in that, what I hear is, look, I'm okay. The guy that cuts my hair, darling, he's gay. But, you know, I'm moderate. I don't know. I don't like all this other gay stuff. I just feel like it's. They're just saying enough. And I just think right now, at this stage in Trump's America, you're either batshit crazy or you're for everybody or you're not.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

And so I just. I want to burn moderates to the ground.

[Angie]

All moderates.

[Pumps]

All moderates.

[Angie]

Red moderates, blue moderates.

[Pumps]

All of them.

[Angie]

All of them.

[Pumps]

All of them. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to talk about it. I want no part of any moderates and. Or moderation.

[Angie]

That's fair. My question to you is then, does an independent fall in the moderate category because they want to take. No. Okay.

[Pumps]

No, because, like, what's his name in Bernie's Maine? Yeah, Bernie is an independent. But, no, I think. But sometimes he runs with the. There's another one, Angus whatever. He's in Maine. He's Susan Collins, fellow senator, and he's an independent, but he always caucuses with the Democrats. I don't have. I don't take issues with independence because both political parties are beholden to corporate interests. So I have no issue with independence.

[Angie]

Okay.

[Pumps]

I take issue with somebody saying I'm a moderate. I just. I think it's bullshit. And what I think it is is this. I think deep down, they're triple trumpers.

[Angie]

They're just embarrassed.

[Pumps]

In. In certain social circles, sophisticated social circles, they say they're a moderate because they know how depraved and disgusting. The Triple Trump MAGA movement is. And so they just say they're a moderate so they don't look like a racist. I think it's. I think saying you're a moderate is like cover for not fighting for human rights, and you cherry pick which groups get it and which ones don't.

[Angie]

Yeah. I was thinking then you have the luxury, if somebod presses you on it, to change your view based on the circle that you're in, just like you said.

[Pumps]

And I'm just going to say I've always noticed white people that are moderates.

[Angie]

A lot of the problems in this country are because of white men, and white women are right there with them.

[Pumps]

Nowadays, white women are right there with them.

[Angie]

I mean, I used to try to give a pass to white women, particularly my age group, but my age group of white women, the worst of the worst.

[Pumps]

No, they're terrible. They're absolutely terrible. Not all. There's a lot of us like you and me. I mean, from your age group to.

[Angie]

My age group, which is four fucking years, just FYI. But no, in one month, it's four.

[Pumps]

And a half and eight months or something. Anyway, I think that there's a lot that really fight the good fight, but typically there's this. There's a group of white women, especially in the south, that have so much internalized misogyny.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

And it's really, really gross that they have no knowledge of history and the fight for civil rights before them, for women's rights. And they don't realize that women's rights are human rights. They don't realize that.

[Angie]

Well, as you know, I was raised with internalized misogyny and didn't realize I had it until into my 30s and 40s. It didn't. Because I was so indoctrinated. And that's just how it was. I didn't realize it until I was well past, you know, my 20s. And that's pretty terrifying.

[Pumps]

I would say even 40s pumps, if we get really honest here.

[Angie]

Probably. I mean, there was probably starting to be an awakening in law school.

[Pumps]

I remember. In your 30s. I remember a lot of deference to the patriarchy.

[Angie]

Absolutely. But, you know, when you're raised in a strictly conservative Christian household, it is a way of life.

[Pumps]

I. I agree. All right. Welcome to I've Had It. I'm Jennifer.

[Angie]

I'm Angie. She's the HBIC and Meemaw Meat curtains.

[Pumps]

We forget about Princess Diana podcasting a lot of things. Okay. We have Kiki the Magic Lesbian joining In Kiki. Hi.

[Kylie]

I think I might switch things up because I have a suggestion on the intro from a listener in the form of a voice memoir.

[Angie]

Oh, great.

[Kylie]

This is from Ash.

[Angie]

Okay.

[Pumps]

Jen Pumps, Kylie and Seth, this is Ashley, and I'm here to solve your intro problem. I think you need to give a standard caca to the Patriots, Gay Trots, the Atriots, Black Triots and Brown Trio, and a hearty fuck off to the Maga. Hypocrites, billionaires, titty babies, yak Mouths, Mega Church pastors, Lip Smackers, bite shoppers, Apac, and anyone else you've had it with. Yeah, you're welcome. Thank you.

[Angie]

That's a great idea. And how about Kylie had no idea that was my grievance. She just came right up with that.

[Pumps]

Okay, so here's the thing, Kylie. I need for you to write all those things down because I'll need a cheat card in reading all of that off. But I also think one thing we really failed to talk about on this podcast, and it's. It's my fault that I haven't highlighted one of your greatest accomplishments and shared it with a listener. You guys, the head beaver in charge, the Princess Diana of podcasting, America's favorite and smartest legal eagle, was also an all American cheerleader. And she had a hyper extended toe touch that would razzle dazzle the audience.

[Kylie]

That's right.

[Pumps]

Like you wouldn't believe. She knocked the socks off of the crowd with that toe touch.

[Angie]

Right?

[Pumps]

And she was. Not only is she the head beaver in charge, she was the head cheerleader in charge. And then when she went to summer cheerleading camp, she won All American cheerleader. So Instead of ready, 1, 2, 3. I think you can say ready and I'll say and together. Oh, okay. So try it.

[Angie]

Okay. You say do. I say?

[Pumps]

You say ready.

[Angie]

Ready.

[Pumps]

Okay, Kylie needs it. We need more voices. Let's try it again. Okay.

[Angie]

Ready? Okay.

[Leah]

Kylie, I did it.

[Angie]

I don't. Wasn't loud enough.

[Pumps]

That was not a cheerleader voice. That was a total lesbian Leslie. Like hating cheerleaders.

[Kylie]

I was a cheerleader once, and I cried the first time I went out, so I quit.

[Pumps]

So this is not for me.

[Angie]

Why did you cry?

[Kylie]

I think I was nervous.

[Pumps]

Cheerleading is not for everybody. It's not.

[Kylie]

It's not for me.

[Angie]

It's not for the faint of heart.

[Pumps]

All right, do we have any reviews, Kylie?

[Kylie]

We do. I actually have some book reviews today.

[Pumps]

Oh, excellent.

[Kylie]

Have never dove into. So this first one is titled Loved this book. Five stars and they write I Already love and adore gin and pumps. But after reading their book, I've gained a whole new respect for my ladies. I laughed and cried a lot through the entire thing. I loved it so much. Thank you for sharing yourselves with us.

[Angie]

That's really nice.

[Pumps]

Kylie, did you make that?

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

All of these are written by me.

[Angie]

I could have done it, except I don't know how to do it. But that was sweet enough. I could have written it.

[Pumps]

Thank you so much. Okay, let's hear another one. I haven't read the book reviews. I haven't either. I didn't even know there was a place for them. Okay, go on.

[Kylie]

Okay, this one is five stars, titled Raw, Unfiltered Truth and hit me right in the soul. And they write, I could not put this down. If I could give this more than five stars, I absolutely would. As a 48 year old woman who's worn all the hats. Mother, wife, employee, caretaker, fixer, peacemaker. Life is a lazy Susan of shit sandwiches. Spoke to parts of me that I didn't even realize needed a voice. It's brutally honest in the best way. No sugarcoating, no fluff. Just real life served up on a rotating platter of chaos, expectations, and the occasional moment of peace if you can catch it before it spins away. The audiobook made me laugh, cry, nod in agreement, and most of all, breathe. There's something powerful about hearing these words spoken aloud, like a friend who just gets it. Validation. It's a permission slip to drop the performance, own your story, and find beauty in the mess. For any woman who's ever felt like she's spinning in a world that expects her to hold it all together without breaking a sweat. This one's for you.

[Pumps]

Oh, my God.

[Angie]

I kind of tear. I'm kind of tearing up a little bit. These really are important to me.

[Pumps]

Wow, that's, you know, writing a book. Writing this book was very difficult. Not sharing our stories, but the structure of getting them organized and then pumps. And I have always been real candid with each other. And when you're talking into the microphone, it doesn't seem so permanent, right? It goes into the microphone. Kylie puts it out somewhere on a cloud. It ends up on your device. You put in your ear pods. You're watching it on YouTube and it. It's in. In one ear, out the other, literally. And then the book, when we would write chapters and then our collaborator would help us and kind of put them in order and then send them back to us and I would read them, I was like, oh, this Shit's real, right?

[Angie]

It became so much more real than the podcast. That's what I was just going to say. The hardest part for me with the whole book thing is not letting the story out or whatever, because my story, we, you know, the people close in my life knew it, whatever. But it's the vulnerability. And I don't think it's vulnerability of being judged. It's more the vulnerability of here are my feelings, this is how I felt. And I held onto those so tightly for so long. So yeah, the vulnerability was my hard part.

[Pumps]

Yeah, it was, it was. That was a hard part. And then also mitigating for me, like what is the important part to get out. What will help other people realize that problems are normal, even really toxic. Chaotic problems happen to the best of us without oversharing. Things that could be damaging or like a shiny object that takes away from the larger point, like damaging to the people I love. And so that was. It was hard to. To strike the right cadence to that.

[Angie]

Yeah, no, I agree. And also, you know, talking about the permanency of it, it's like sometimes if I say something ridiculous and you call me out or vice versa, then it's over. But if you put something in a book, like, you can't be like, oh, I didn't mean to say that. I mean, it's there. Yeah, you got it. It's here.

[Pumps]

Exactly. All right, let's move along to some news stories that I want to share with class today. The first one is the the world's most jealous woman makes husband take a lie detector test every time she returns home. Jealousy can lead to extreme behavior in relationships, as seen in Debbie Wood, dubbed the world's most jealous woman after meeting her husband Steve on Facebook in 2001. Debbie's insecurities spiraled. She checks his emails, bank accounts and phone and demands a lie detector test whenever he returns home. Which reminds me of one of the pumps. His chapters in life is a lazy Susan of shit sandwiches where we were conducting an investigation into the actions of her ex husband. And I mean it was a months long investigation, phone records, bank records, whatever we could get our hands on. And this MF are still gaslighting her. So we escalated it to an FBI.

[Angie]

Agent to an f off duty FBI agent coming to my dining room table.

[Pumps]

To do a lie detector test. And here's what's so fucked up about pumps and me listener. It's the worst of times. I mean, the worst of times. Rock bottom. It is horrific what she's going through on multiple Multiple levels. Like, you know, she thought if she was a good girl and she prayed to Jesus nothing bad would ever happen to her. So that was a huge betrayal. Can't even imagine what her husband was up to. You have to read the book for that. And it goes on and on and on. Anyway, she and I investigate, we uncover all the most unsavory stuff you could ever imagine. And the idea of the off duty FBI agent bringing his polygraph machine to Pumps's house. Excited.

[Angie]

We were happy, we were giddy. Looked forward to it.

[Pumps]

Had multiple prep meetings and phone calls and multiple follow up phone calls. I even called her during the lie detector test and she got really mad at me and hung up on me. And I just immediately called her right.

[Angie]

Back because I felt I had fomo. I had fomo.

[Pumps]

How fucked up is that?

[Angie]

No, it's fucked up. It is really, really fucked up. I mean, it was. We had fun prepping. I mean, like, the world is on. My world was literally falling apart piece by piece. We were giggling and laughing like we had just won the lottery.

[Pumps]

We, we're making color coded investigation notebooks for the off duty FBI agent.

[Angie]

He had to learn something from us.

[Pumps]

Tell them about how when he walked down, how you just flung the notebooks in front of him.

[Angie]

Oh, yeah. So Jennifer and I had, I would say, three 2 inch binders color coded on different areas of contradictions. Contradictions. And you know, lie detector. It was all of course in timeline order. And so the FBI agent walks in with this little purse thing or his little rolly deal with this machine. And I was like, he's like sitting up and I walk over and I'm like, oh, here, these are for you to be questioned in the polygraph. Like these binders. And I'm sure he's just like, you need a straight jacket, lady. Like, you're a nut. Like, if you're doing all this and have three binders, go to the fucking courthouse. Call it like, stop. Save the money, do the filing fee. Yeah, so that was not one of my prouder moments, but going back to this deal, so, I mean, I did that one time and it was super well deserved. Totally well deserved. Nutty, but well deserved.

[Pumps]

All right, next up we have the soft life era is real. 74 of women now say they want a man who pays for everything. The soft life movement, defined by luxury, ease and minimal stress, is driving a cultural shift in dating expectations. A recent global study by ISPOS found that 74% of women preferred relationships where the man assumes full financial Responsibility, especially in long term dynamics. Advocates say the arrangement allows women to focus on family, wellness and emotional peace, while critics argue it reinforces outdated gender roles. Whether seen as empowerment or dependency, this trend reflects changing priorities in how modern women approach relationships. My response to this would be the following. Have him pay for everything and keep all your money and your career in your own name and don't commingle yours at all ever. And file income taxes separately.

[Angie]

Yeah, that and that's really good advice. This to me is like, you know, they're saying to focus on family and.

[Pumps]

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Angie]

And it's just like you are putting yourself in a power dynamic. If you do that and let somebody be financially responsible for you. And I know this from experience, you are putting yourself in a low power position and you are going to lose 10 times out of 10.

[Pumps]

Well, and here's the thing that the people behind this movement are the same people that are Writing Project 2025, right? These are the same people that are, you know, like it's a mega church trickle down where they have, I think the Mormon chur has all these influencers out there that do all this trad wife stuff and they're funded by the Mormon Church to glamorize the faith and indoctrinate people online. So a lot of this is propaganda made through glitzy reels online that propagandizes the youth that is trying to find their own identity and very malleable to any hint of suggestion. So if there's this beautiful woman, she's got a smoking hot body and she's got the newest Birkin bag and you know, then she's frying bacon and her husband comes home and he's, you know, just as hot as, you know, all get out comes over kisses. And then she's got this fabulous outfit on. She talks about how great it is that her man pays for everything. You're 17 to 25 or something, there can be something intoxicating about that. So then you heart that, you favorite that, and then you're fed more and more and more. So this is online propagandizing and brainwashing and I would even go as far to say psychological warfare. This is how Russia came into our 2016 elections and radicalized a lot of the American right. And that causes a lot of the polarization we see now. It's the same tactics and now they're attacking young ladies. And it makes me feel very sad for women because women in general are so fall prey to so many things. We, we have so Many more struggles than men. Like, if you have a daughter that goes to college and a son that goes to college, you're having two completely different stories about how to walk to your car at night.

[Angie]

Right.

[Pumps]

You're having two completely different stor about what to do if you have a drink at your table and you get up and use the restroom. If you have a daughter, you're going to say, take your drink to the restroom with you. Somebody can slip a mickey in it. And so this is just. This is propaganda. This is indoctrination. Straight from maga, Straight from mega churches. Kylie, how's my merch? Boycott megachurches.

[Kylie]

It's ready to go.

[Pumps]

Okay. We need to get that live. It's really gonna be. I've decided this is gonna be my big push, your big pet project. My pet, my side hustle is going to be boycotting mega churches. They are indoctrinating people into a death cult. Yeah, they are. And. And I've had it. And I'm not going to stand for it. And I intend to shine a light on how hypocritical these people are and how antithetical to the teachings of their Lord and savior, one Jesus H. Christ that they are, because they have plans within their church that is all about growing and bringing in more money and opening up more branches. Jesus was all about helping the most needy and not accumulating wealth. And if you look at a lot of these churches online, they'll disclose how much money they have in the bank. And I think this one church, it's the biggest grifter con otter's church that I'm privy to. Aside from that, Joel Olsteen, but it's based in Oklahoma, is one called Life Church. And I think they have something like $600 million liquid in the bank. And if you go to their website, it's all about growing more. It is a ripoff. It is a scam. They are making people worse. They are not helping society. They're maga. And I intend to expose it and burn it all to the ground, including the bad architecture.

[Angie]

Yeah, you're just on a roll today. You've burned two things to the ground, and we're not even to the guests that I have.

[Pumps]

God, it's just. What a great day. You know what Roman told me. This is so sad. So, you know, you. I have my. My life that I live. And then I have Jennifer that's on the podcast, which is the most pointy part of my personality. Right. For an hour straight. You know, I'm not like this. 24 7, 365. So Roman said, mom, you know, all my friends that are girls, they're just, they're kind of like, they follow you and they love it all, but when they, when I invite them over, they're so intimidated by you. And I was like, really? Like, why are they intimidated by me? And he's like like, mom, you're like a boss bitch online, calling people out, interviewing people. And I was like, roman, I'm so sorry. I don't want my career to impact your social life. And he goes, no, mom, I'm so proud of you. He's so sweet. But anyway, a couple of girls came over and I'm like in my robe, makeup, off, hair, in a chick. I'm like, oh my gosh. Hey, girls, what are you all doing? Come in here and sit down with me. And we spoke. Then they all go upstairs to hang out in like the kid area. And they were like, oh my God, your mom's not scary at all.

[Angie]

Oh, you're like, oh, but she can be.

[Pumps]

Yeah.

[Angie]

Don't around.

[Pumps]

As long as you're not a moderate, little darlings.

[Angie]

Right.

[Pumps]

As long as you don't attend life church.

[Angie]

We're all.

[Pumps]

That's where we.

[Angie]

That's where we need the lie detector. Every day is run. People like going in and out of public. Are you a moderate or you maga? You have to own up. You're under a lie detector. It'd be kind of fun. Be great.

[Pumps]

Little side project. Yeah.

[Angie]

In Oklahoma, though, very more people would just be rah rah.

[Pumps]

They would. They would not be moderates. Yeah, they'd be a full blown maggot pumps. And I need to share with everybody that we have written a book. It's called Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit sandwiches and believe it or not pumps. And I have not always been so rock solid. And we talk about all of our trials, tribulations, most of all our fuck ups. Yes. Because fuck ups are relatable and a part of the human experience.

[Angie]

I have gotten so much feedback regarding the book that because of my situation with. With the religion and addiction and all that, that people relate to that. So I do think there's something to take away that's comforting about it because we've all been in very difficult situations.

[Pumps]

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[Angie]

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[Pumps]

Okay listener, we have a guest today and considering that as all of you know, my co host Pumps is America's greatest legal mind, we are bringing one of her peers.

[Angie]

She Is that's an insult to her.

[Pumps]

We're bringing in one of her peers. This is Leah Littman, and she is a law professor at the University of Michigan, a former Supreme Court clerk, co host to the podcast Strict Scrutiny, and author of the recent New York Times bestseller Lawless how the Supreme Court Runs on Conservative Grievance, Fringe Theories, and Bad Vibes. Please welcome to I've Had It Pumps Legal Peer, Leah Littman. Leah, welcome. I am so happy to have another legal powerhouse on this podcast.

[Angie]

Leah, I'm so sorry there.

[Leah]

No, thank you so much for having me. I love to be in such great company.

[Angie]

Yes. I've only done divorce law. Smart people law is not, you know, mine's like rotating heads.

[Leah]

Divorce law can be very smart people law.

[Angie]

Well, but, I mean, it's pretty lineal. You know, I'd like to divorce the Supreme Court.

[Leah]

Oh, you did help me with that.

[Angie]

No, I wouldn't go near that Supreme Court. There's only three that I would consider worthy. Okay.

[Pumps]

Leah, The Supreme Court has been breathtakingly disappointing. You know, we call Amy Coney Barrett the Handmaid. That's our nickname for her. And there were some stuff around, you know, probably like three or four weeks ago, because I think we're all just. We're dying for some. Like, surely this isn't happening. Surely cooler heads will prevail. And sure enough, they are always as disappointing every single time. And so, with that in mind, what have you had it with the Supreme Court?

[Leah]

Is kind of what I would say. I think the idea that these guys and Amy are engaged in a serious project of law is just so obviously false at this point that I have pretty much had it with these depictions of the Supreme Court as an institution that is above politics or not engaged in politics or somehow going to save us all.

[Pumps]

Leah, here's my question. Okay? So I'm a layman. I'm not an attorney. When I think of Clarence Thomas and.

[Leah]

Samuel Alito, why are you thinking of them?

[Pumps]

I'll tell you why. Because I live in Oklahoma and I live around some people that are college educated, okay? Higher socioeconomic income, and they get radicalized and fall prey to right wing propaganda. And I kind of get it in Oklahoma because you have these oil and gas guys who have a tendency to lean into that propaganda because it benefits them. But when I think of Alito and he and his wife and their flag flying, and I think of Clarence Thomas and his wife has actually been in a cult before. She got deprogrammed from a cult before January 6th I read a whole article on it, right? And then she is texting into the Death Star trying to overturn the election. And as somebody who doesn't have a law degree, I always thought, you know, people are smart. I thought about like Ruth Bader Ginsburg and you know, these people are just, you know, kind of can geek out and read all this shit that would bore me to tears. And then I realize, I guess Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito are bored and so they traffic in right wing entertainment because it's not news, it's entertainment. So my question for you, and then I want pumps to answer it too, is how is that as an attorney to see like the highest ascension I would imagine is Supreme Court justice in the legal world in the United States of America. What is that like seeing these fucking nuts? I mean, total kooks, complete psychos at the top of the Supreme Court.

[Leah]

I think a nice word for it would be demoralizing. But I think we have been steadily introduced to the media diet that the Republican justices consume and more generally the ecosystem in which they inhabit. Because at oral arguments from the last term, you had Samuel Alito throwing out, well, what if schools are teaching the 1619 Project and CRT? What if schools are telling kids they should be trans and lgbt? And it's clear again what media they are consuming. And the same oil and gas interests, you know, that you identify as subjecting people to the entertainment in Oklahoma, I think honestly they are behind a lot of what the Republican appointees on the court are exposed to as well. You know, big corporate interests recognize the importance of controlling the Supreme Court and they have helped to fund this alternative universe in which the justices receive affirmation and validation for buying into these crazy, unhinged fringe theories. And they get invited to these fancy conferences and vacations and private jet trips when they traffic in that same garbage.

[Pumps]

Talk about Clarence Thomas pumps. And I have talked about this a lot and his like benefactor, what's his name?

[Angie]

Harlan Crowe.

[Pumps]

Harlan Crow. And this guy collects Nazi dishes, right? And then, and like is a big fan of like original Nazi shit. And then the dynamics of that for Clarence Thomas to be a black man is just really crazy. I've always thought that Clarence Thomas serves for rich white country club Republicans as cover for them to feel a little bit better about how racist they are.

[Leah]

I mean, it is astonishing the volume of gifts and largesse that Justice Thomas himself has received. I mean, Harlan Crow purchased Justice Thomas mother's home while she was still living it and you know, revitalized it. He has funded the biopic of Justice Thomas in which Justice Thomas stares into the camera and announces that his ideal vacation is an RV trip because he's from regular stock and loves regular people, while vacationing with Harlan Crow on these private jets and at these insane locations where Harlan Crowe has constructed a life size replica of Hagrid's hut from Harry Potter. So it is astonishing again, like the amount of money they have pumped into and poured into the Supreme Court in order to coddle the conservatives and Republican justices for going along with their right wing agenda.

[Angie]

Let me ask you this. In my mind, it's easier for me to understand how radicalized Alito is because of he's so super religious and they kind of go hand in hand. Was Clarence Thomas raised super religious? Now, I know his wife was in a cult, I get that part. But did he have some kind of underlying cause that let him be so susceptible, or is it strictly corruption?

[Leah]

So I, you know, in order to understand Clarence Thomas, I think the best insight is really Joel Anderson's season of Slow Burn Becoming Justice Thomas, in which he talks about Clarence Thomas being raised by his grandfather, you know, in an era of segregation and, you know, the different ideas and people he was exposed to, his time at Yale and how he was made to feel inadequate, and he attributed that to the fact that Yale had affirmative action rather than to people being dicks. And, and, you know, so, so I can't pretend to know exactly what radicalized Clarence Thomas, but it is a wild ride looking at that guy's writings.

[Angie]

Yeah, he's a nut.

[Pumps]

Don't y' all think that, like, when you have, like Scott Besant, the Secretary of treasury, he's gay and he's joining all the homophobes in the maga movement. Elon Musk fucked around and now he's finding out he's an immigrant and he joins all the, the anti immigrant, racist. And now Trump's talking about deporting him. Clarence Thomas black. He joins all the races. There has to be from a psychological component, some sort of self loathing and this desperate desire to get approval from the patriarchy. There, there is just this desperate desire to get that. And I think some of the female Supreme Court justices seek this because, like, when you look at Amy Coney Barrett, she's trying to get cut her own way a little bit, but she herself lives in a lot of internalized misogyny and has completely forgotten the fight of suffragettes and all of the people like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, but fought for her very right to Sit in that fucking chair while she takes away other people's rights. So I feel like American culture, because we are so diverse, creates a lot of self loathing within majority groups. And then they go to the inside the Death Star to seek approval. And you know what's going to happen to poor Scott Besant? You know, Trump's going to drop dead in the next five to 10 years. He's no spring chicken. The dementia's through the roof. And the minute, the minute they get him out of the way, they're going to turn the knives on Scott. They're not going to have some gay man in charge of the Treasury. You know, that's just not going to happen. And so it just, it's interesting to me the, this component when we, when you live in a very diverse country like we do, and you see marginalized people that have been exceptional to ascend to where they are. It's exceptional that Clarence Thomas, a black man, ascended to be a Supreme Court Justice. Scott Bessant, out of the closet gay man to ascend to be Secretary of the Treasury. But they join the people who wish to annihilate their group in which they belong.

[Leah]

You know, this is just a fascinating dynamic. And one question that I am often asked about my book, because the very first chapter is about how the rise of originalism and the jurisprudence of the Republican justices is just rooted in a backlash to feminism. Right. And hostility to women being people with full rights who are entitled to participate equally in the political, economic and social life of the country. And the question is, okay, why are often white women going along with this? And my best answer is patriarchy and misogyny are a hell of a drug. Like, we are still in a society in which getting gold stars, getting power, getting approval too often means cozying up to men and getting the approval of men. And it's really hard to exist in that world while recognizing its problems and recognizing the ways in which. Yes, yes, like, you were subjected to mistreatment. That doesn't mean you don't deserve the many opportunities you received. But I think it just comes from a desire to pretend the world is something other than it is. To imagine that, like, you are this single meritocratic genius that was selected because you are the best. Nothing to do with identity. When the reality is, like, the Republican Party fucking loves to traffic in identity politics. They selected Clarence Thomas to replace the first black justice on the Supreme Court, Thurgood Marshall, you know, the grandfather of the civil rights movement who litigated Brown versus Board of Education and got the decision invalidating segregated public schools. They got Amy Barrett to replace Ruth Bader Ginsburg, you know, the Thurgood Marshall of the feminist movement, you know, who helped create the body of law that treats sex discrimination as presumptively illegal. So they fucking love to do this. And it is such a shallow and hollow vision of what people talk about when they talk about diversity, equity, and inclusion. It is not a kind of tokenism. It is a meaningful conception of what it takes to actually have a pluralistic, multiracial society and democracy. And they just can't understand that.

[Angie]

I'm very. I love what you said.

[Pumps]

I do, too.

[Angie]

You're answering plain language. Communicate a great communicator. Okay. Another thing we talk about here on here a lot is what a pussy. Just an abject pussy. Justice Roberts is, like, not making conflict of interest, allowing Alito and Thomas to weigh in on these January six cases. I'm like, you have no fucking balls. So what's his history? What's his legacy going to be?

[Leah]

I mean, I think his legacy. We are going to look back at him as such a hollow, superficial institutionalist who oversaw a court that was willing to give in to the rise of authoritarianism and autocracy. I mean, I think people want to imagine that the Chief justice cares about, you know, the institutional integrity of the Supreme Court and our democracy, but the reality is he's still a Republican who is cool with a lot of what the Republicans do. He wants to maintain some superficial appearance of a Supreme Court that isn't partisan. But that has never meant him doing what is substantively necessary to shore up the power and substantive legitimacy of democratic institutions, whether that is the Supreme Court, whether that is Congress, whether that is state legislatures, you name it. Like, he's authored opinions that have paved the way for unlimited money in politics. He authored the opinion that dismantled a key part of the Voting Rights Act. He authored the opinion that said federal courts can't do jack shit about partisan gerrymandering where voters pick or where legislators pick their voters rather than voters picking legislators. So I just think, like, he is basically on board with a lot of the worst parts of the Republican Party's agenda. And the few instances in which he has given, like, a tepid shrug or I don't know about that, to a few things are just way overemphasized.

[Pumps]

You know what I think I've often thought that within the Trump support, you have the cult that is like, they're going to wear the MAGA merch, they're going to buy the Trump cologne. They're going to wear the shoes. They're going to have trucks in their, you know, flags in their trucks. Vanilla isis, y'. All, Qaeda, the whole nine, right? Loud and proud. And then you have country club Republicans that are embarrassed, that know better, that have agency over the moral duplicity of how parasitic the Republican Party is specifically to the poor. The Republican Party and MAGA are both specifically parasitic to the poor. It's punitive to the poor. And it's amazing to me that you have people in the Supreme Court. And when we look at the Roberts Court, we will look directly at Citizens United, and the legal experts can weigh in on this. But in my opinion, Citizens United opened up the door for fascism. Fifty years from now, when this is written, Citizens United under the Roberts Court will be the first step that sped this up in such a cataclysmic way that I. I genuinely am very fearful, and I don't mean this to be hyperbolic. I'm genuinely very fearful about the midterms and them taking place.

[Leah]

No. So I love the point about the country club Republicans being uncomfortable with some of the more. More transparently and explicitly maniacal aspects of what the Republican Party is doing, because I actually think if you look at the cases where the Chief justice has ruled against the Trump administration, the through line is basically lie better, right? Like, do a better job of concealing your animus. When he told the Trump administration during the first Trump term, you can't rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, what he said was, look, in your memo doing this, you kind of didn't go through the motions and talk about some of the things you should have. When he rejected their efforts to add a citizenship question to the census, he said, look, the reason you came up with, everybody knows that's a lie. Try to come up with something more plausible. So I completely agree that that is an important framework for understanding the relationship between the current Supreme Court and the Republican Party and Donald Trump. I am with you on Citizens United. I mean, if you think about lines in Supreme Court opinions that have aged the worst, I think the line in Citizens United about how unlimited corporate expenditures do not give rise to corruption or even the appearance of corruption. I mean, come the fuck on, guys, right? Like, we all saw what happened in the 2024 presidential election, right?

[Angie]

Yeah. I mean, just acting like it's not happening, particularly when you've got Clarence Thomas taking money hand over fist. I mean, like, please, Clarence Thomas, tell me about ethics.

[Leah]

No, I know, and I Do think.

[Pumps]

Back to this point. I do think that all of these Republicans agree with the cult and agree with the base. I think the problem they've had with Donald Trump is he's really white trash around it about it. They want him to be a little bit more civil. They want him to be a little bit more polite about the racism and the grifting. They want to be a little less trashy, you know, turn off your online flea market. But they're 100% on board with everything in Project 2025. Because the base of the Supreme Court are Christian nationalists. These are religious fanatic nuts that actively, I think, do not believe in a secular government.

[Leah]

Well, I mean, if you look at the rulings from this past Supreme Court term, you know, whose interest did they cater to? Rich corporate interests.

[Angie]

Right.

[Leah]

You know, the Supreme Court made it easier for fuel producers to sue and for tobacco companies to pick where they file their cases. Also the right wing, reactionary Christian theocratic elements of the Republican Party allowing parents with religious objections to LGBT equality the right to veto effectively what is taught in public schools.

[Pumps]

Let me ask you about that.

[Leah]

The strong man who unites them all.

[Pumps]

Let me ask you about that. So the, the ruling about like, okay, in Oklahoma, we have a total Christian nationalist whack job. It's just you, you've probably read all about, they're nuts anyway. So this new ruling that if I have child and then they start teaching about something, you know, LGBTQ + related, that I can say, I don't want my child in this and I can pull them out, Can I also, because I'm an atheist, can I also say, if you put the Ten Commandments in the Trump Bible in the classroom, I want to pull my child out?

[Leah]

You know, that would require the Supreme Court to adopt and adhere to a consistent legal rule when they have no interest in doing that. And in fact, Justice Alito wrote the opinion in the Mahmoud vs. Taylor case, the opt out of LGBT instruction case, in a way that I basically think is perfectly tailored to allow the court to only rule for the Christian, you know, conservative religious claims, not anyone else. Because what he said is, well, the reason why this instruction is problematic is it's normative. So he has the opportunity to say, well, other kinds of instruction, other displays, not normative. Also, the only thing that is problematic is when something is an objective threat and a real danger to parents ability to inculcate their children with the religious values they so want. And so that also leaves him an off ramp to say, well, the mere display of the Ten Commandments. That's not an objective threat. That's not a real danger. Because I Sam Alito conclude it's not. And then he also says like my new special rule only applies when the burden imposed is of the same character as these other cases. He doesn't define what the fuck that burden is. So he's just preserved so many off ramps for him just to do whatever he wants and to rule only for the claimants and claims he wants to.

[Pumps]

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[Angie]

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[Pumps]

Okay, let's start on our, I mean, world famous game, had it or Hit It. I'm sure you're familiar with it. Oh my God. Welcome to had it or Hit It. I would hit it. I hit it every day. Sometimes twice a day. Leah had it or Hit it events starting after 6pm had it.

[Leah]

I. I am early to bed, early to rise. I need my fucking beauty sleep.

[Pumps]

Right?

[Leah]

Like we are. We are having to fight the patriarchy day in, day out, right? Like I don't have fucking time for an 8pm dinner. Sorry.

[Angie]

And I don't digest well. That late?

[Leah]

Yes.

[Angie]

I can't sleep if I eat like, like in Europe, if I eat late, I don't sleep as great. So I need to eat about 4:30 and then roll into bed about 8. I'm just perfect.

[Pumps]

I think we've got to normalize matinees, you know, like, we just, we just went through the NBA playoffs. Our team, Oklahoma City Thunder won. Pumps and I were just. We were like strung out crackheads. Right? These Games started at 7:38pm and we felt like we had to go. And so we were at all these home games and when they weren't home games, we're up, up. You know, the games are starting at 8. We're not getting to bed till 11:30 or 12. And we were burning the midnight oil and we look like total crackheads that couldn't put together sentences on this podcast. But by God, it all paid off.

[Angie]

That's right.

[Pumps]

We are champs. Okay. Had it or hit it. Taylor Swift opinions.

[Leah]

So hit it if it's a cool opinion. Had it if it's some dudes sounding off on Taylor Swift. I have had it with fucking men who aren't real fans giving me their takes about Taylor Swift's albums and her artistic choices. I'm not going to name names. I'm just going to note that on one particular podcast, one particular male host suggested Taylor Swift. Swift should have a child because that would open up an entire new window of creativity for her. As if Taylor Swift has never had a fucking new idea without having a child. Child.

[Pumps]

What a prick. Was that Charlie Kirk?

[Leah]

No, it wasn't.

[Pumps]

I mean, that is just really unbelievable. And you know what? I'm so. You know what? I've had it with ladies. I've had it with men reducing women to breeding. Yeah. So if we're. If you're puns's age. I'm a lot younger than she is. You get sent out to the pasture like, oh, you're a dried up old hack. And then if you're a younger generation, Jake dance.

[Leah]

The postmenopausal female, right?

[Angie]

The childless cat lady.

[Pumps]

Childless cat ladies. If you're Taylor Swift and you haven't had children, then they demean you for that. Meanwhile, she's made more money than all those fuckers put together and combined off of her own talent. So I'm so tired of the patriarchy categorizing us based on where we are with breeding. It's just so weird. I don't think about them and master their masturbation schedules. And another thing, I've had it with this group, these Republican men. I've never seen so many people that alleged to be straight that talk about gay sex this much. I've never seen anything like it.

[Leah]

Yeah, it's a little creepy, I'm not gonna lie. Also, they are obsessed with porn.

[Pumps]

Yes.

[Angie]

Oh, so obsessed with porn. Because I think they probably watch it all the time.

[Pumps]

Well, there's no question. Ted Cruz on 9 11. On 9 11. You guys, this is real. He liked. He favorited a really raunchy porn video on Twitter on 9 11. How unpatriotic for lying Ted Cruz. And then you know what he did? The big Christian Ted Cruz? He blamed the whole thing on an intern.

[Angie]

Of course he did.

[Pumps]

Of course.

[Angie]

Knew that was coming.

[Pumps]

Okay, had it or hit it? Alligator Alcatraz.

[Leah]

Oh, I had it. Does not begin to convey the depths of my outrage over this. First of all, calling it Alligator Alcatraz. Alcatraz was a prison, right, With a building where people went after criminal convictions. Alligator Alcatraz is this constructed place where people are going to be subjected to over 100 degree conditions. Right. Humidity off the charts. Right. In which the government officials are celebrating the fact that they might be targeted and bitten by alligators. I mean, and it is so appalling. Like the phrase alligator Alcatraz I just think does not convey the depths of the depravity of what they are doing.

[Angie]

I completely agree. But then I look at, okay, cruel and unusual punishment. This is a slam dunk for that. But then look who the Supreme Court is. I mean, I have a lot more faith in the lower courts than I do the higher court.

[Leah]

Oh yeah, the lower courts are still engaged in something we could recognize as law. Not so with the Supreme Court.

[Pumps]

Oh my God, that terrifies me. Okay, had it or hit it. Zoran Mamdani.

[Leah]

Oh, Hit it. Oh my gosh, that guy, Born communicator, camera ready. Knows how to stick to a message. You know, I think about the Republican party's threats to focus, you know, the issue and attention on him. And I'm like, how did that work? I out for you guys With Representative Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.

[Pumps]

You know, he's their worst nightmare. Leah and Pumps because they have propagandized the base to believe that all Muslims are into Sharia law and want to throw gay people off buildings and all women have to wear burkas and all of this, you know, crazy religious fanaticism that Pumps always points out is, which is exactly the same thing that the Christian national. But he leaves no one behind. He marches with a trans pride flag at Gay Pride. He advocates for all affordability in workers and most importantly, he really stands up against anti Semitism and recognizes that it is an increasing problem and that he has to partner with Jewish people and Jewish people must partner with him to break through the barriers of bigotry. And so he breaks the stereotype of the boogeyman, the Muslim boogeyman that that Fox entertainment and other right wing propaganda channels have built and fed into this religious base that are so quick to think they're so elite because, you know, they're chosen by Jesus and blah, blah. I mean, you know the deal. So I love this guy. I mean, I'm all chips in. We're furiously trying to get a hold of him, to get him on the pod, I mean, flat in New York and do it in person. I mean, I going to be so starstruck. I just, I think she is, I.

[Angie]

Mean, she is so in love with the whole idea of him, his political career. All of you seen.

[Pumps]

Have y' all seen his wife? So there's. Have you seen that on Instagram? So, okay, if you see pictures of like Iran in like the early 70s, it was like the Paris of the Middle east and they had, you know, it was a very liberal culture and you know, this beautiful kind of Persian skin and kind of sexiness about them. Well, Zoron and his wife did like some photo shoots in like subways and stuff and she is like, drop dead gorge.

[Angie]

Well, he's gorgeous.

[Pumps]

They are. Have you seen it, Leah?

[Leah]

Yes, I have. I've seen some of the photos you're talking about. He's also just cool as fuck. If you've seen him dismount a bicycle, tell me how he does it.

[Pumps]

And he raps.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

And he knows he understands the digital optics. And I Think that, like, there's this. There's this idea right now that Democrats, when you look at Schumer and some of these older Democrats that were kind of the old dinosaur party, and it's like, we need young, hot people representing us that know how to play the social media game.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

Okay, let's move along. Had it or hit it? The P. Diddy verdict.

[Leah]

Um, can I have it and hit it. I am grateful he was convicted on some account. I am sad he was let go on the more serious trafficking charges. You know, given the testimony of Cassie Ventura, among others.

[Pumps]

I have to share with you guys. So Don Lemon was. He's a really good friend of ours and he does independent media as well. So he was going on vacation and he asked Pumps and I to sub in on his Don Lemon live show. Right. And so I did a couple of days, and Pumps did a day where it's like Jennifer Phil in Verdant. So I'd worked with his producers to prepare a whole episode on Alligator Alcatraz. And then when I log in, I log in about 15, 20 minutes early. They're like, hey, listen, we're going to have to pivot. The Puff Daddy version is coming down the pipe. Yeah, Yeah. I knew nothing. Nothing. I didn't follow a news story. I knew baby oil and freak offs. And I seen the video where with the domestic abuse in the hallway. Those are. That was my knowledge, Leah. So remember, like, when you're younger and you're hungover and you should have studied because you have a lecture the next day, but you don't because you were a bad girl and you go and you're just trying to fake it in class. That was me on an hour substituting for Darling. Thank God they brought on as guests like some. Like some Katie Fang. Katie Fang. And they brought on some lawyers where I could just ask kind of some layup questions, but I was totally leveraging through the whole thing. Okay, Leah, last one. Had it or hit it. The United States of America hit it.

[Leah]

You know, I still have faith we can be better and get ourselves out of this mess and turn it into something even good or great.

[Angie]

I hope you're right. I was one of those dumb people that had a huge optimistic turn on the court. Like they're going to reign in Donald Trump's power because they don't want to lose their own power. Even if it's self serving, they're going to do the right thing. Now I realize they're not. So, I mean, I'm, of course I'm in on the United States of America, but as constructed mag as America. I'm really out on that.

[Pumps]

Yeah, that's a fair. That's a fair take, Pops. Leah, it's so nice to have somebody on here for pumps that can match her intellect.

[Angie]

Shut up.

[Pumps]

And her legal prowess. So I cannot thank you enough for coming on. Seriously, thank you for all the work you do and for educating our listeners. We have a very great curious listener base that is dead set on staying engaged, and we try to entertain them, some with petty grievances and also heavy grievances, like the fuckery on the Supreme Court. So thank you so much, Leah Lippman. We hope to see you again soon.

[Leah]

Soon. Yes. Thank you so much for having me.

[Pumps]

Bye. I mean, how does it feel to have somebody on the podcast as smart as you?

[Angie]

Well, first of all, a. She's way, way smarter than me. That's a false equivalency. But God liked her.

[Pumps]

I did, too. I like her a lot.

[Angie]

She would be a great professor. Like, I had professors in law school that were so boring. Like, watching paint dry would have been an upgrade. And she is a great communicator.

[Pumps]

She's cool.

[Angie]

She's cool. She says the F bomb is which. Which goes right to my soft spot.

[Pumps]

It's our love language.

[Angie]

And. Yeah. I mean, she would make me want to get up and go to law school. Yeah.

[Pumps]

And I just thought she had. What was her point about? It was about the. This. A lot of this being a backlash to feminism.

[Angie]

Yes.

[Pumps]

That she articulated so well. I just. I think. I don't know. I just. I really feel like on the right. They are platforming people. Stupid people. People.

[Angie]

Yeah.

[Pumps]

And because it doesn't require. In the age of smartphones, where you don't have to think and the phone thinks for you. And now the age of artificial intelligence, they platform stupid people, and the public is just primed to just be intellectually lazy with them. And I like having more interesting guests that are more thought provoking because she's really, really sharp. And I want to go and follow up and Google some of the things that she was talking about. They want to educate myself more.

[Angie]

Yeah. I want to get her back. And also, I just. I have a news flash that, honest to God, I really didn't think of until all of this started happening in our world. I just think there are a lot of people that are below average intelligence in the United States of America.

[Pumps]

News flash. Breaking news.

[Angie]

Breaking news.

[Pumps]

Breaking news. Pumps.

[Angie]

Yeah, I just. I didn't realize there were so many breaking news.

[Pumps]

America is full of dipshits.

[Angie]

Yeah, I just. I mean, they're on. I guess they're just louder than they ever have before.

[Pumps]

I think they're intellectual, actually lazy. I think that they've lived in communities that, you know, shun curiosity. This is the world view. You can't think beyond this. And they just accept it at a very young age that they're just going to be dipshits. Yeah, I mean, my brain is an organ that must be exercised, but some.

[Angie]

People'S brain isn't as good as other.

[Pumps]

People'S, I would agree.

[Angie]

So, I mean, I think some of these people like it's not a lack of intellectual curiosity. They're just not very smart.

[Pumps]

Breaking news. All right. Breaking news. Also, to get our book. Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. Look at that smile. Oh, my gosh.

[Angie]

Toothpaste.

[Pumps]

It's Vanna White. I don't know if Kylie could put, like it. Kylie, can you edit it and do, like, a ding with, like, a sparkle right there? Okay, here we go.

[Angie]

No, put the sparkle on her teeth. She's doing that.

[Pumps]

Oh, yeah, do both. Okay, wait, I'm gonna do a clean take for you. Please buy our book. Life is a Lazy Susan of Shit Sandwiches. And then you can put, like, glitter and then, like, a little sparkle here.

[Angie]

Yeah, I want the sparkle on the teeth. Big smile.

[Pumps]

All right, guys, do you think that will go viral? No, probably not. All right, listen, Pumps, tell them we.

[Angie]

Will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

[Pumps]

I'll tell you what I've had it with. Let's hear it. I've had it with that. Listen up, patriots, gaytriots and natriots. We have a new podcast that has dropped. It's called IHIP News. It's Monday through Friday. Every day, 15 to 20 minute hot takes on the political landscape of the United States of America, always served with a side of petty grievances.

[Angie]

We are on all the available platforms. Apple, Spotify, Google, whatever you get your podcast and YouTube.

[Pumps]

Please go, rate, subscribe and review so that we will charge Edwards with America's greatest legal mind. Pumps. Pumps. What does an eagle say? Caca. A little bit more enthusiasm. That's it.

[Leah]

That's. That's.

[Pumps]

That's the patriotism that this country needs right there.