Two Pump Trump

Summary

Podcast Summary: I’ve Had It – "Two Pump Trump"

Episode Date: December 4, 2025
Hosts: Jennifer Welch (“A”), Angie “Pumps” Sullivan (“B”)
Special Guest: Kara Swisher (“C”), journalist & podcaster
Episode Theme:
A fast-paced, bitingly funny hour covering pet peeves, hypocrisy, political frustrations, and the intersection of media, tech billionaires, social trends, and activism—with a major focus on hypocrisy in MAGA politics and American culture. The hosts and guest Kara Swisher address everything from dog shaming and man-keeping to power dynamics in media, AI risks, performative religiosity, billionaire ego, and the evolution of the Democratic Party.

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Main Discussion Topics and Insights

1. The Hypocrisy in Everyday Life (00:11—06:29)

• Dog “Fat Shaming” Hypocrisy:
  Pumps relates her experience at dog school, being accused of “fat shaming” someone’s pet and realizing how closely pet-owners identify with their animals.

  • “I’m a hypocrite. I see it now. Thank you for the reminder.” – (B) [03:36]

• Holiday Rushers & Other Self-Contradictions:
  Both hosts admit to “spot it, got it” moments—judging others for behaviors they themselves do.

  • “Happens to the best of us. I am one of the biggest offenders…” – (A) [06:29]

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2. Political Rants: Switzerland, MAGA, and Moral Collapse (06:29—15:01)

• Switzerland’s Political Positioning:
  Jennifer launches a tirade against Switzerland’s recent (fictional) political shift, likening their late stances to collaboration with dictatorships and calling for a boycott of Swiss companies (e.g., Rolex).

  • “I have had it with Rolex, I have had it with Switzerland—capitulation to this man…” – (A) [08:42]

• Hypocrisy in Conservatism:
  Both hosts dissect the ways MAGA Republicans and evangelical Christians claim to support rights and decency, yet repeatedly vote against them and enable regressive policies.

  • “You’ve proven that you’re okay with racism and/or are racist yourself…So don’t treat me like I’m a dumbass on this issue.” – (A) [10:34]
  • "They pretend like they're Christians. They pretend like they're patriots. ...The only thing that's changed with Trump is now they're less polite about their racism and worship of capitalism.” – (A) [14:08]

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3. Fox News Personalities & The “Two Pump Trump” Bit (15:31—23:08)

• Clapback at Fox Hosts:
  The hosts read five-star reviews punching back at MAGA “haters” and riff on the obsession Fox News hosts Jesse Watters and Greg Gutfeld have with their podcast.

  • “He reeks of two pump champ to me, Greg Gutfeld. ...He has absolutely no business pointing out anyone's looks.” – (B) [21:33]

• Political Drag, Camp, and the “First Gay President” Gag:
  Jokes about Trump’s effeminate qualities and the irony of anti-LGBTQ conservatives rallying around “the biggest queen on the planet."

  • “Turns out their big alpha male is a big old blowjob giving queen” – (A) [17:05]
  • “Congrats to the first gay president” – (D) [18:28]

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4. Cultural News, Workplace Gender Dynamics, and “Man Keeping” (27:35—31:36)

• Disney’s First Out Lesbian Beaver:
  The panel enjoys the news and speculates about the incoming conservative outrage:

  • "I love that it’s a beaver.” – (A) [23:50]
  • “Maybe that’s me.” – (B) [24:18]

• “Man Keeping” – Emotional Labor Imbalance for Women:
  Discussion of women being default emotional caretakers at work and home, with examples ranging from the White House to “Brett Kavanaugh snot slinging” versus women’s calm.

  • “I’ve been the man keeping person at work and it’s horrible.” – (B) [29:52]
  • “Male ego is just so much more fragile.” – (A) [30:22]

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5. Guest Segment: Kara Swisher on Gender, Tech, Billionaires, and Politics (31:36—63:04)

Kara’s Take on “Man Keeping” and Gender in Media (32:12—37:33)

• Kara doesn’t “keep men”—she “causes problems for men,” treating them “like toddlers.”
• Anecdotes abound: If a man tried a “quiet, piggy” insult, Kara would escalate it for maximum impact and make it viral.
  • “I would not have been able to handle it. …I would have been like, what the fuck did you just say to me?” – (C) [32:55]

Lesbians Should Run Everything (35:24—37:33)

• The hosts and Kara agree: lesbian/pragmatic maternal energy is exactly what leadership lacks—accountability, “tough love,” and absence of toxic codependence.
  • “Lesbians need to be in charge of everything.” – (A) [35:32]
  • “I think lesbians should raise all the men.” – (C) [36:03]

Billionaires, Trump, and Tech Bro Culture (37:33—44:48)

• Tech moguls—especially Elon Musk—are “talking ads” for why not to be a billionaire.
• The unearned deference towards billionaires is tied to America’s worship of money, but the mood is shifting.
  • “He obviously…he likes ketamine and other substances. …He’s talked to me about ketamine…” – (C) [39:42]
  • “They only want to be celebrated for the things and be thanked for the things they make…” – (C) [44:48]

LGBTQ+ Hypocrisy, Democrats, and Shifting Political Coalitions (44:48—63:04)

• Discussing identity priorities of conservative LGBT figures like Thiel and Bari Weiss: “Gay is not the most important identity anymore—it’s wealth or status or power.”
• Caution about historical precedents (e.g., Nazi party’s use and betrayal of gay enforcers).
  • “They do think they’re part of the scheme, like part of the power scheme.” – (C) [47:35]
  • “The power is in declaring you’re gay and forcing people to accept it.” – (C) [48:24]
• On Democrats: Urges embracing diversity within the party (centrists, progressives), letting voters decide, and not playing endless defense against right-wing “communist” accusations.
  • “Their vote. Voting is all that matters. …Let people make the choices they want, especially young people, because it’s kind of about them. …We’re all, you know, cadavers of the future.” – (C) [58:02]

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6. Tech, Longevity, and the Perils of AI & Synthetic Relationships (69:11—80:29)

• Kara delves into her research on chatbots and AI’s impact, specifically the mental health and suicide dangers posed for vulnerable teens.

  • “These are synthetic relationships…Nobody’s there. …We shouldn’t call them chatbots. …They are manipulative…these kids are killing themselves when they have these relationships.” – (C) [69:33, 73:04]

• Key insight: Community, challenge, and human interaction are the biggest contributors to longevity and mental health—synthetic AI “companions” threaten this.

  • “Doing things you aren’t good at…creating friction in your brain lengthens the time that your cognitive abilities [last].” – (C) [73:55]

• Two chilling cases of chatbot-aided teen suicides recounted, highlighting Big Tech’s lack of accountability.

  • “All great heroes’ journeys have pain,” said a chatbot to a suicidal teen, failing to alert parents or intervene. [76:49]

• “If you made a car like this, you’d go to jail. …People need to go to jail for this kind of thing.” – (C) [80:03]

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7. Rapid-Fire "Had It or Hit It" Game (81:19—86:50)

Some takes:

• Stop signs: (C): “I go right through them…some are just stupid.” [81:35]
• iPad Menu Ordering: (C): “I hate it. I want to talk to a waiter.” [81:59]
• Chuck Schumer: (C): “He needs to retire, like, yesterday.” [82:26]
• Bill Ackman’s Dating Advice: (C): “You’re so thirsty, Bill…If you want to give hedge fund advice, fine, but I don’t care what you think about dating.” [83:13]
• Democratic Socialism: (C): “Nothing wrong. They want to help. …National Socialists are a problem—they’re called Nazis.” [85:40]
• USA: (C): “Hit it. This is our country. …If they want to be in their tacky clothes and weird Mar-a-Lago faces, that’s fine. …It’s our strength—diversity is strong.” [86:31]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Spot it, got it.” — running refrain about calling out what you yourself are guilty of [06:06]
• “The biggest myth on the planet is that women are more emotional than men. I dare say it was started by a man.” — (B) [29:20]
• “Lesbian energy needs to run the country…” — (A) [35:39]
• “Billionaires…are walking, talking advertisements against being a billionaire.” — (A) [40:05]
• “I think the jig is up, frankly. …I think people are like, shut the fuck up.” — (C) [43:39]
• “It’s democracy by algorithm now.” — (A) [55:22]

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Time-Stamped Highlights

• Dog shaming & self-awareness: [00:24–06:29]
• Political hypocrisy (Switzerland/MAGA): [06:29–15:01]
• Fox News drama, Two Pump Trump jokes: [15:31–23:08]
• News: Disney lesbian beaver, “man keeping”: [23:30–31:36]
• Kara Swisher enters, gender & power dynamics: [31:36–37:33]
• Billionaire culture, AI, society: [37:33–44:48; 69:11–80:29]
• Game: Had It or Hit It: [81:19–86:50]
• Concluding big lesbian energy, camaraderie: [89:00–90:10]

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Tone and Style

The episode is irreverent, sharp, and unapologetically political with heavy emphasis on humor, cultural critique, and righteous indignation. The hosts and guest Kara Swisher bring candor, self-deprecation, and a strong feminist, progressive outlook. The exchanges are fast, loaded with cultural references, spicy language, and creative analogies (e.g., “patriots, gaytriots, natriots”).

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a journey through the absurdities and injustices, large and small, of current American life—called out with wit, warmth, and wisdom. You’ll get anti-MAGA invective, inside jokes about Fox News, cutting commentary on tech egos, and real talk about the dangers of AI, all culminating in an affirmation of civic participation, diversity, and “big lesbian energy” as the way forward. If you want a blend of comedy, catharsis, and critique—this is a must-listen.

Transcript

[A]

So are we supposed to start the podcast?

[B]

Ready, 1, 2, 3.

[A]

Patriots, gay trots, Theatriots, Black Trio, Brown Trio, and all of MAGA can do what Pumps, suck off.

All right, there's our little beaver. All right, pumps, what have you had it with?

[B]

Okay, what I've had it with, and this happened to me yesterday, that people act offended and like, you've insulted them. If you say, oh, my gosh, your dog is so fluffy and cute. Look at their belly. They take it personally. Like, you called them fat. That happened to me at dog school. I saw a friend that I hadn't seen in a while. She had this really fat, cute dog, and I was like, oh, my gosh, your dog is so big. Look at her belly. So cute. Blah, blah, blah. It was an immediate. I'm offended. Like, I had looked at her and said, you're ugly and fat. I was like, I didn't mean. I mean, it's cute. Like, so I'm backtracking, and I'm like, why are you taking personally something about my dog? I mean, about your dog. I think that's weird. Am I wrong?

[A]

I would 100% if somebody said something disparaging about my animals, I would behave in the very similar fashion.

[B]

Okay, so I'm an asshole.

[A]

I mean, I. I.

Kind of think so, yeah. I mean, we don't need to be fat shaming a dog. All right? It was cute. That dog, you know, is probably the best relationship that person has in her life. Because I know for me, the relationship that I have with my dogs is my best relationship. And so I very much. If somebody was like, oh, my God, look at your dog. He's so ugly. Or she's so ugly, I would be.

Because French bulldogs are kind of so ugly that they're cute. But I don't ever want to say that, you know? So I kind of think that, like, I hate it pumps because I want to be on your team on every grievance. But, you know, you've for years browbeat me for being a nut about my dogs, and I kind of have to go team dog on this.

[B]

Okay?

[A]

I.

[B]

Because I was just like, if somebody. I mean, if somebody said Ollie was fat, I. It wouldn't be like, they called me fat, but that's.

[A]

Pump the brakes, listener. This woman that you're listening to right now, when she got her little French bulldog, Oliver Glizzard, she began. She rolled. Enrolled him in the doggy daycare that my dogs go to, and then she began psycho stalking the Instagram page and noticing when her other dogs were posted and her dog wasn't. And then she would screenshot the post like a psycho and send it to me. Why aren't they posting my dog? My dog's every bit as cute. My dog is. Huh? Yeah, you did all of those things.

[B]

What about the birthday?

[A]

And listen, I support it. I support.

[B]

No, you were all in.

[A]

I was all in on. Yeah, we need to. Your dog needs more facetime. We even talked to the owner of Bark of the Town in Oklahoma City and just said, look, Pumps is psycho, she's a new mother, and her dog is not getting the social media air time that other dogs are. And what's up with that? She immediately rectified and did like a carousel of your dog, which we all screenshot like heart favorited. So you're. You're just as big of an. As the person with whom you had the grievance.

[B]

I'm a hypocrite. I see it now. Thank you for the reminder. Because I also went in and told my. The dog owner when she posted Ollie's birthday photo, like, on Cha Cha, she was like, sweet Cha Cha. We love her. She's such a good friend to everybody at school. And mine just said for Oliver Glizzard, who by all accounts is not. He's really good to me and he's sweet to me, but he is not the best dog on the planet. To other people and other dogs, he's a problem.

[A]

He doesn't. He doesn't, quote, play well with others.

[B]

Doesn't play well with others. Correct.

[A]

Yeah. And there was an incident outside the dog school where he lunched at a dog ten times his size a few times. And if not for your affectionate relationship with the owner of the school, I do think that he would be kicked out of the school. I think he would be expelled because Cha Cha was once bitten by a dog at school and that dog was immediately expelled. Oliver Glizzard has had multiple.

Yeah. And the owner of Bark of the Town, Stephanie, just loves you so much because what's not to love? And has such a strong affection for you that Oliver Glizzard is. But here's the thing. Listener Oliver Glizzard, when he goes to school, he has to stand in his own pen because that's how naughty he is at school. So he's in time. Watches all other dogs play.

[B]

Yeah. I have to carry him in. And they put little dogs that he's friendly with in throughout the day. But yeah, I browbeater that. She.

[A]

He on her.

[B]

His Birthday. She just said, happy birthday, Oliver. I was like, obviously you don't like Oliver.

[A]

No, you called me first. You called me first, screenshot the thing and then sent it. And then you sent another post where it was like, I think it was my dog. All of these, you know, you know, Cha Cha is such a great student. She's a great friend. She's a great sister.

A great dog, super attractive, super photogenic, very congenial, great personality. Blah, blah, blah, Happy birthday, Cha Cha. And then Oliver's was like, happy birthday, Oliver. Glizzard, period. And so Pumps texts both of them to me and then calls me up mattered and Hornet about the disparity in adjectives describing her dog versus my dog. So you. You have, okay, your grievance. You know what it is, Pumps. You spot it, you got it.

[B]

That's exactly what it is.

[A]

I'll own it all the time. Spot it. Got it.

[B]

I'm guilty as. And I just want to tell everybody I am a hypocrite. Not just in that I'm the biggest. I hate holiday rushers. Hate, hate, hate them. And I always say, don't put your lights on so early.

[C]

Blah, blah, blah, blah.

[B]

My lights are up and running before Thanksgiving. I'm a hypocrite.

[A]

I actually enjoy it.

[B]

So again, spot it. Got it. Here I am.

[A]

You know what Pumps happens to the best of us. I am one of the biggest offenders of spot it. Got it. For sure. I mean, for sure. I'm like, gosh, she sure was bossy. Think about me saying that, you know, the bossiest in all of podcasting. She sure thinks highly of herself. It's pretty rich coming from me, right? Okay, moving along. Let me tell you what I've had it with, okay? I've had it with Switzerland.

Switzerland for years. My entire life, you could say, I don't know, I'm Switzerland on this issue. I don't have an opinion. I'm Switzerland. Famously, the Swiss have no opinion about anything until the United States gets its very first fragile ego blowjob giving dictator named Kanks. And then all of a sudden, Switzerland is bending over, much like the aforementioned kinks did with the blowjob to Bubba. But they're bending over to Bubba because they want to reach around, pun intended, for their.

For their tariffs, right? So Switzerland, who famously doesn't take a position on anything. You take a position with this idiotic danger to the entire world, and you bend the knee to this dried up old queen in his Marie Antoinette era that's torturing everybody. Now, Switzerland Decides to take a position on something. I have had it from top to bottom. I am boycotting Switzerland despite one of my favorite tennis players being from Switzerland, Roger Federer, and doing a whole ad campaign trying to promote Switzerland. Furthermore, I think we should all boycott Rolexes. Rolex is probably, you know, has a bank account that could choke a bull. They're rich as shit and they wanted a tariff exemption on their watches like rich Americans need said exemption. And for the record, I think tariffs are bullshit. But as it always goes to show, these tariffs are always going to be parasitic off of the working class and all the fat cats that want to go buy Rolexes and want to support Switzerland. The famous we're not taking aside unless it's a dictator that rounds up people with men wearing masks and kidnaps them all. Law, 1930s, Nazi Germany style. Then we take a stance. I've had it, I've had it with Rolex, I've had it with Switzerland. The capitulation to this man from people in his administration, from industry titans to other countries to just the people, you know that live down the street who used to be kind of decent people, but they were like, oh, they're kind of conservative, but you know what? They're really nice person. Now even the they're a really nice person is gone. Because these people that you know personally treat you as though they think you're stupid. They think like people that I know in Oklahoma City that triple trumped have the audacity to look at me and say, oh no, I'm all for gay rights. No, actually you're not. And you proved it three times in a row. Three fucking times. You have proven that you're okay with racism and or racist yourself. And you're okay with all of the homophobia and transphobia. So don't treat me like I'm a dumbass on this issue. I probably am a dumbass on a lot of other issues. But on this issue, no, you're a hypocrite that is trying to find a permission structure because you value money more than you do human beings. And you use your faith to act like you're a decent person when the actual use of your faith exposes you for being the short sighted, narrow minded, anti intellectual hypocrite that you actually are. And I put Switzerland, the MAGA Republicans, the MAGA Christians, the oligarchs, all of the Republicans in the Senate, all the Republicans in the House, the Democrats that take APAC money, I put all of them in the same clump together. This is the time to either fucking stand up for something or be a pissy. And Switzerland chose being a pissy. And all of these other people have chosen being pussies. And I have had it. And in this era where we desperately need moral clarity, listener, we can all continue to form communities and build our pro democracy ecosystem and fight for the marginalized and fight for human rights and fight for this country. And we don't have to be performatively religious or performatively patriotic.

[C]

It's.

[A]

And look at how underwater this man's numbers are. Everyone is fleeing like rats jumping from a ship. This whole thing is sinking. And everybody that bent the knee. Your record will remain.

[B]

I completely agree. I took the swift, the Swiss government move. I took Switzerland's move way more personally than I did like the bribe from Qatar or Saudi Arabia, you know, I expect that kind of thing. But I was a little taken aback by that. And then you were lumping in the MAGA Christians and the evangelicals. And I just for me, who was a part of that movement, to see the moral collapse of people that will sit and defend. Like for example, talking with the family member after Charlie Kirk was murdered. And. Well, this was the exact response. Well, you know, it's just the rhetoric's got to stop. And I was just like, are you fucking kidding me right now? That you are acting like the rhetoric is on the liberal side? Donald Trump runs around saying, let's arrest people, let's hang people. You know, the scumbag. It's unbelievable, but it boils down to cognitive, cognitive dissonance for me. They are able to package up neatly in a bow. As long as I'm making money and my 401k looks good, I will make any concession. I will compromise ethics and morals for money. And I just, just feel like it'd be easier to say, I don't give a shit about anything but money. That would be more honest.

[A]

And racism.

[B]

And racism and misogyny.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because the person you're talking about, that you were talking to is an unrepentant racist.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, and bathes in that. And the problem with the Charlie Kirk argument that this person used with you is the rhetoric that Charlie Kirk used was absolutely horrific. And when you think about how little the Republican Party and the MAGA movement and the MAGA Christians care about Charlie Kirk, he died talking about gun violence and trying to blame it on black people while he was shot by a white guy. And since that horrific murder that we all witnessed, the Republican Party and the MAGA Christians have done zero to prevent a future murder like Charlie Kirk. That's how little they think of him. That's how little respect they have for his life. And why is that? Because Charlie Kirk didn't respect anybody's life. So birds of a feather flock together. And Charlie Kirk, Erica Kirk, all of Turning Point, all of Heritage foundation, all of maga, all of these MAGA Christians, they are able to be so dismissive of any solution that could remedy anybody else being killed because they don't in fact value life. They in value hating and owning the libs. And if the libs happen to be female, black, gay, trans, an immigrant or a Jew, all the better to hate. When it served for breakfast, lunch and dinner. These people pretend like they're Christians. They pretend like they're patriots. And in fact, these people have just been unmasked. The moral collapse. Collapse has been there all of this time. These have been the homophobes and the racists. They were just more polite about it. The only thing that's changed with Trump is now they're less polite about their racism and their worship of capitalism. Now the mask is just completely off. Welcome to I've had it. I'm Jennifer.

[B]

I'm Angie.

[A]

She's the star of the show and the head beaver in charge.

We have a producer, her name is Kylie. There she is.

[C]

You look pretty. Thank you so much.

[D]

Someone on YouTube asked my skin care routine on here and it was a filter. So that's my advice.

[B]

You do have great skin though.

[A]

Do you have a filter on right now?

[D]

I do.

[C]

I have the lowest setting.

[A]

Well, you look gorge. Thank you. Kylie, you cute sitting in the barrel of a loaded shotgun.

[C]

So true.

[D]

Thank you. Okay, I've got a five star review. It says here for the haters and burger boy writes, I very rarely leave reviews of any kind, but I heard that MAGA losers were leaving a lot of one star reviews so I had to chime in. Love these ladies. Thank you for bullying the bullies. If you are MAGA reading this review. Go blow Bubba.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

So that should be some kind of new theme like we sign off with off or sign on with off. Go blow Bubba at the end instead of see you next Tuesday and Thursday. Go blow Bubba.

[A]

I just. It's so beautiful that the anti gay party.

And the anti drag queen party worship the biggest queen on the planet. That blows Bubba has redecorated the entire White House listens to fan of the opera as Loud as It'll Go is the biggest washed up Liberace queen on the planet. And that's your guy. And it tells you everything you need to know about how much these people are so full of shit. It turns out their big alpha male is a big old blowjob given queen. And listen, no disrespect, my whole friend group are gay men. My longest best friends of my life are fabulous gay men. Let me just tell you something. Speaking of. Spot it. Got it. They have been whistleblowing on kanks. Queen tendencies frequent for 10 years.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You hear rumblings all the time. The thing is, he has such bad taste. He wears such horrible clothes. He's so profoundly unattractive. He. He does his makeup so poorly, it's just hard for me to reconcile.

[A]

No, but see Pimsy as a. As a woman who spent a lot of time in a gay bar, okay, not all gays are the same. Not all gays are a monolith. The stereotype is the polished button up gay. But there are plenty of gays that just like in the heterosexual world that don't have style, that don't know how to dress, that are. I mean, look at Liberace. I mean, you know, there's just example after example after example. Bad taste can fall prey upon anyone. However, the taste of the gays that are artistic and are really, really, really creative outshine the straits, you know, hands down. And so that's why you see so much great design and all of these things. Concentrated fashion, photography, art, etc. Concentrated in the.

Gay movement, gay population. But I mean, there. Any gay man will tell you there are plenty of old queens with wretched taste. I even have gay friends that say, I'm so bad at being gay, look at how bad my taste is.

[D]

My favorite thing is, after this Bubba news came out, under all of Trump's posts, people are commenting the first gay president. Congrats to the first gay president.

[B]

I've seen that.

[D]

Yeah. Okay, I've got another review. This one is five stars, titled Bravo. And they write, congrats, you have gotten under the skin of Jessie Dippity Do Boy Waters. You know you're doing something right when he says, this isn't the type of girl to date. And that's referring to Jennifer.

[A]

Yeah, so I saw that clip. Our friend at Decoding Fox News, she did that clip and put it on her Instagram. And I saw it and he was like, this is the type of woman talking about me. If you go to a bar with her, she's going to mouth off and then you're going to get sucker punched. And then he tried to demean my husband for being a recovering drug addict. And what I have to say to that, Jesse Waters, is you're projecting too much because you would get your ass beat. But my husband, the recovering drug addict, could kick anybody's ass. Furthermore, you hang out in a world of misogynist where if a woman has an opinion, you feel like people are going to get in a. In a fight. And you say the left has all the violent rhetoric. Jesse Waters pumps. And I saw you at the dnc, the sashay Shantae that you walked down the hallway to get to the Fox News propaganda desk was the gayest thing I've ever seen. Yeah, you spend an inordinate amount of time talking about men and masculinity, so much so that now I know what you fantasize about. And it's abundantly obvious to me. As you point out, a real man doesn't do this, a real man doesn't do that. You dye your hair and you dye your eyebrows. And here's the thing, just a couple of tips. And I think the stylish gaze would affirm your hair doesn't need to be so puffy. Jesse, trim it down. Get a gay man in there to texturize that shit. It's like this big black poof and let the salt and pepper come in. You don't. You reek. You reek. If I got get my hair dyed, which actually makes you look 20 years older. And I mean, I know that you like to work it. I saw how much pride you had in your saunter. It reminded me of RuPaul's sachet Shantay. And so I just think when you start off your five the news with we want to talk to you about the most irrelevant podcast on the planet, these two ugly women.

All you're doing is making us incredibly relevant. Like, it's just, it's so insane. And also, you're also talking about us because you don't want to talk about the fact that your big alpha male kinks gives blowjobs to Bubba. Right? And I'm imagining you don't want to talk about it, Jesse, because I would imagine you'd get rock hard thinking about it behind the desk. And that could be somewhat awkward for the person running the camera. And the same goes for pink arm, soft serve, gut filled picking on everybody's looks. When this guy, I looked it up is I think five, right? And Chubby is all get out. And he has a face for radio as well. So, I mean, you know, whatever, keep talking about us.

[B]

He reeks of two pump champ to me. Greg Gutfeld. I mean, he just. He is just. He has.

[C]

I'll just say this.

[B]

He has absolutely no business pointing out anyone's looks. I'm just going to leave it there.

[A]

And here's the thing. It, like, it doesn't hurt our feelings. It doesn't hurt my feelings. If Gretchen Greg Gutfeld thinks I'm unattractive, it means zero in my life. If anything, I'm like, wow, these two men at Fox sure are obsessed with us. I think they've covered us like six times, and each time saying they're so unpopular their podcast doesn't have good ratings. Then why do you. Why are you so obsessed with us?

[C]

Right.

[A]

Why do you keep talking about us? Oh, I know why. Because you don't want to talk about the fact that the alpha male that you worship gives blowjobs. And the question I have for you guys is maybe do it. 5. Does Trump spit or swallow? Let's find Bubba. Maybe that would be a more interesting news story. But I guess because your channel is so centered on hating women and we have the accents that you think that we should be in your tribe, but we're not, and we're never going to be. And there's a lot of other women just like us. And I have a feeling that you guys know a lot of women like us and you know that everybody's turning away from Maga except for the few rubes, racist rubes, who you sit and weaponize their religion against them while you talk about and do and platform and celebrate the most un Christlike on the planet. That's your legacy.

[B]

Yeah, that is the legacy for sure.

[A]

Okay, Kylie, I'm riled up today.

[B]

You are ready?

[D]

Okay. I have a news story. Disney is launching its first openly gay character, and it is a lesbian beaver.

[A]

I love it.

Wait, is this the first gay character? Is that possible?

[D]

They're saying it's the first openly gay character, so maybe it's gonna speak on.

[B]

It, you know, versus the closeted gay characters they've had in the past.

[D]

I'm not sure.

[B]

Okay, well, I love that it's a beaver.

[A]

I love that it's a beaver.

And it's kind of hilarious that this. Did the conservatives know about this yet?

[D]

I haven't checked. I'm sure they'll be outraged.

[B]

Oh, it will be the take.

[D]

Ron Desantis.

[B]

Yes. Fox News will go on overdrive.

[A]

You know what? Jesse and Greg might have to take the night off on browbeating us because They've got a Leslie Beaver that they've got to go after. Which one could argue you're a Leslie beaver, too.

[B]

I was gonna say maybe that's me.

We're so popular. Even though we're irrelevant on the five, Disney's made a character after me.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[C]

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[A]

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[B]

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[D]

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[A]

I mean I can think of a person who has to do this all the time at Susie Wiles at the White House. The White House chief of staff. Can you imagine? No, the man keeping that that woman has to do because she's got kinks. And then she's got failed drag queen little Smokey. She has the Jewish Nazi Stephen Miller. She has the, the demon queen Scott Bessant. And don't forget that Scott Besant got into a you fighting match with Elon Musk. Mind you, it's are too emotional. And all of this stuff. The maga movement and the five, the the two individuals at Fox, Jesse Waters and Greg Gutfield and all of the maga men have proven that men are too emotional and petty to be in charge of anything. I, I mean truly. Yeah.

[B]

I mean you look at my favorite example is Brett Cob Kavanaugh snot slinging at his confirmation hearing. I mean just crying boohoo. And then you have Ketanji Brown Jackson, who was, I mean, they were so inappropriate asking her questions. She never raised her voice. She was always factual. She kept her shit together. The biggest myth on the planet is that women are more emotional than men. I dare say it was started by a man. And the man keeping. I've been the man keeping person at.

[A]

Work and it's horrible. It's like let me just ask you this, Pumps, you were married for what? 15 years?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, 15, 20, whatever. Anyway, how many times did you cry in the marriage versus your ex husband? Oh my gosh.

[B]

7,000 to one. Me being the one.

[A]

Yeah, I mean I just.

[B]

What are you doing? Like why are we crying about this? Yeah.

[A]

And this is at a time. This story about man keeping is at a time when the New York Times ran that opinion piece or women ruining the workplace, and they had to rebrand it and rebrand it and rebrand it. And it's important that everybody realize it's not that women ruined the workplace. That's not it. It's that there's accountability in the workplace. And women have shown to be every bit as good and effective at business or whatever position it is as men, and in a lot of cases, better. And there is an ego disparity among the two genders. There's one ego that can hand it, handle it, absorb it, and has to be the man keeper. And the male ego is just so much more fragile. And you. The prime example of that is of obviously kanks. All right, listen, we have an amazing guest today. We're super excited about her. I see her all the time on the World Wide Web, and she is an amazing podcaster and journalist, and her name is Kara Swisher, host of on with Kara Swisher. Kara. Kara. Oh, my gosh. I am. So it's a. It's a big day for podcasting.

[B]

Is it?

[C]

Is it a big day?

[B]

Yeah, it's all the time. And you look just like you. And I'm just like, oh, my gosh, it's her.

[C]

Yeah. Here I am in my little studio.

[A]

It's a bfd.

[C]

Bfd. Big fucking day. Because we're big fucking women. That's. That's.

[A]

That's exactly.

[C]

So we're throwing down, right?

[A]

We are throwing down. We were just discussing, before you came on, the phenomenon that's taking place in the offices, and it's called man keeping, where women have to manage meltdowns of men, the emotions of men, and they have to keep the peace in the workplace.

[B]

Do they?

[C]

Okay, yeah, I don't. I don't do that. I cause. I cause problems for men, not the other way around. But I'm not. I don't suffer for. I have three sons. I have four kids, but I've three sons. So I know how to handle a man. Like, let me just say, mostly, if you treat them like toddlers in some fashion, it usually tends to work. But, yeah, I keep a lot of men. Scott Galloway, my partner, I know he's been on your show. Yeah. He has written a man book, notes on being a man. So he's. He's. He needs a lot of care and feeding, I have to say.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What would your response have been if you were on Air Force One and you asked a question and. And someone had said, the President, quiet piggy, quiet piggy.

[C]

I would not have been able to handle it. I don't have the control. I was, I would have been like, what the fuck did you just say to me? Like, excuse me, like, and I would have made a bigger deal out of it. I was sort of surprised that none of the other reporters said something.

[B]

Agree.

[C]

Like, I was. I'm not surprised actually having been in those things is everybody's sort of jostling for position and you know, they don't want to make trouble because they get, they do get kicked out, right? They do get kicked out or they get removed because these people are particularly, you know, thin skinned. You know, essentially thin skinned people. And so I would have been like, excuse me, what did you just say to me? Can you repeat that? I would have made him repeat it several times to create a viral situation to make it even worse. And you know, and I would say, you know, sometimes with men, you know, you know how men, neg, women like. One of the tactics I have as an interviewer or to get people uncomfortable, especially ones that I think are going to be a problem, is to make them uncomfortable. And men are very easy. Women are much harder to do that with. And so often, for example, I'll say, you know, before an interview, I'll go, did you lose weight? And they'll like, go, oh. And I go, no, I guess not. Like, and they go like this. I go, no, I'm sorry, I was looking at the wrong way. But like, it works really well. One time with Barack Obama, I shouldn't have done this, but I did, I did it anyway. We were doing an interview and they cut my time by 10 minutes. And I have very structured. I mean, I spent a lot of time figuring out how I'm going to interview people. And they cut 10 minutes to give it to some MTV DJ or VJ or. I was like, are you kidding? I'm like a, like, fine, if you want to do those things. But I'm kind of pissed. And so we sat down and it's a really. It's a very formal thing when you're sitting with the president, they have the water covered. You know, everything is very. It's like a ballet almost. And so he sits down and I lean into him and I go, listen. They cut 10 minutes from my thing. And so that's kind of a pain in the ass for me, but I'll cope with it. But the fact of the matter is you talk too much and you talk the paragraphs and you don't listen to the question. And so I'm going to interrupt you. And I know you've been president for six years and everyone gets to hear you yammer on all the time and you're not used to people interrupting you, but you better get used to it because I'm going to really interrupt you and you'll think it's rude because you're not used to it, but you do talk too much.

And he looks at me and he goes, I heard you were obnoxious. I go, I am. And then we went on, and then he did very pithy answers because he was like, he didn't want to be that guy kind of thing.

[A]

So, Carrie, you just proved something that pumps. And I have said for a very long time, lesbians need to be in charge of everything.

[C]

Everything.

[A]

The there. When you. When you really start attitude, you can.

[C]

Have a lesbian attitude.

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Lesbian energy needs to run the country because it's tough. And it has a fuck you energy that the Democrats need, but it also has maternal energy without it being toxic and codependent. Right. That maternal energy of a lesbian has more accountability in it. It's more pragmatic love than toxic love.

[C]

I think men. I think lesbians should raise all the men. I mean, I think my sons are fantastic. They're manly and sensitive at the same time. And they're really nice boyfriends. Like, they have really nice girlfriends. And I joke about that, but I think one of the things. It is true, I tend to get along with men better than people asked. Had being lesbian hurt me as a reporter. I was like, actually, it's helped me in the area I'm in because men do want to get along with women, right? They kind of do. They don't. I don't think anybody likes sort of the binary that we've created between men and women. And. And. And it's sort of like one is up and one is down. I don't know. Nobody. Nobody's comfortable with that, I think. And I think one of the things is men really want to get along with women. And in my case, there's no stakes, right? There's no emotional stakes. I don't want to sleep with them. There's no possibility that they could. It could work. I mean, some tried, but not very many. But it creates a much more comfortable relationship. Except when they think I'm a guy, which is also uncomfortable. Like, oh, yeah, yeah. You know, like the locker room talk. Well, I've actually experienced that. I was at a party and all these VCs who are like, you know, they've got the emotional range of a 12 year old and they're like. They're like, look at that woman, Gara, what do you think? And I was like, still a feminist. Still a feminist. Like Justin. And she was good looking. They were correct. That is correct. But I didn't want to play their dumb man game with them, which is so juvenile anyway. So it's more juvenile.

[A]

All right, Kara Swisher, what have you had it with?

[C]

What have I had it with? Oh, my God. I sent you a list. Now. Okay. I know the one thing that I just. I may be different than what you guys said, but I decided these. These tech men especially. But a lot of men just talk too much. Like, you know how they say women talk too much? I was like, I was watching this Jensen Wong, who's the head of Nvidia at a very good quarter, and he was at this weird Saudi thing that Trump put together after he finished blowing the Saudi mbs all day and night. And. And he was with Elon Musk. And they were just going back and forth, like, harder. It felt like Beavis and Butthead in a lot of ways. And I happen to like Jensen Huang, not Elon so much, but I was like, can you stop talking? Like, stop making speeches. Stop. Like, they all talk. They love the stage now in a way that's really. You know, we only used to have one of those business people like Lee Iacocca, and that was fine.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And now every business person has, like, whether it's Bill Ackman and his insane rants about things he doesn't know about or. They all need to. I've had it with them talking. I was like, you need to shush up and smile some more. That's what I would like from you, you ladies. You know what I mean?

[A]

I feel like the Trump administration, in its attack on expertise, has promoted billionaires as the experts on everything. And we've given like, Joe Rogan will sit down with Musk. And I'm just shocked at how much deference Elon Musk has given.

[C]

Yeah. Never stops talking. I was like, stop talking.

[A]

Yeah. Now, as it pertains, do you know Elon Musk?

[C]

Right. Very. I did. I haven't talked to him in years. But after he called me an. But that's a different story.

[A]

Oh, that's. That's a badge of honor.

[C]

I actually. I actually interviewed him more than anybody. Probably eight or ten major interviews. Early on when he was actually not crazy. So.

[A]

And have you seen this? You know, just from our bird's eye view. I mean, it's obvious to me that he is an untreated drug addict. And I know, know a lot about addiction because my husband's in recovery, had been to rehab a few times, I've been to family weeks, et cetera. So that's abundantly obvious to me.

[C]

Yes, it's been written about the Wall Street Journal did a long story. A lot of people, I mean, he obviously, and he's talked to me about ketamine use and he likes ketamine and other substances. You know, even if he denies them, it's been well reported. Yes.

[A]

I think what's so interesting to me about this group of billionaires is how what a walking, talking advertisement they are against being a billionaire.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Because if you're not a billionaire, not all, but the ones that are choosing to bend the knee to Trump and to platform themselves and pair themselves with this man.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

When, when you're younger and you think, if I win the lottery, I'm gonna do this, this, this, you think about having you money and then you see these guys that have all this you money, and then they have to humiliate themselves and make up trophies, prostrate themselves.

[C]

Like bringing, bringing them a statue. To me, the photo was Elon Musk, New Year's Eve at Mar a Lago, dancing to ymca. I just was like, I was like, I am having a good time. I have good money. I'm having a. If I was that rich, the things I would do with the money. Like, I always joke, I'm like, I buy France and then give everyone a glass of wine. Like, I don't know, like something fun. Like, you're the world's richest man and you choose to be doing this at Mar a Lago with this asshole. Like, I just absolutely, like, how interesting could Trump be, like, for that much time?

[B]

Right.

[C]

I don't think he's uninteresting, by the way. But this is where the richest man in the world decides to place himself. That, to me, is pathetic, actually, more than anything. So pumps.

[B]

Well, what else is pathetic about the whole thing is Elon Musk is going around saying he's going to do all the, all this doge stuff, waste, fraud and abuse, yet he's not a forensic accounting expert.

[C]

Right.

[B]

And that, that goes all through me about this whole waste.

[C]

That's the same thing of talking too much as being an expert on things you're not an expert on. Right. I mean he's concerned about the deficit, as we all should be. But instead of us going, well let's let some experts figure this out and let's actually have some real political commitment to doing it. He's like, I think I'll just cut where I feel like, because I know better, I'm smarter than you are on everything like including pregnancy, including on whatever the topic happens to be, birth rates.

[A]

Don't you think, don't you guys think this is a symptom of American culture though, where we have worshiped money and we have given the affirmative actress, the affirmative action of expertise to these billionaires and now it's all culminated like starting with the Reagan era, we really started worshiping capitalism, the you money of the 80s. And we as a culture have bred these people and now they act out in public ways with breathtaking impunity that they think, look, I have what everybody else wants and I have, I'm the expert on everything. And there's this worship and celebration of these horrible people because as a society we have valued money more than the well being of our citizens for a very, for several decades now.

[C]

Not just decades, it's so sort of the American way. Because what happens is people are, people who are poor are aspirational to this. Right? I can, he can do it. I can do it. I think what's changed is through social media and their direct. Like before I used to interview them all and that's how they got to people essentially. But most of them were quiet. Right. You didn't like Steve Jobs picked, picked moments when he wanted to be public and then he really wasn't and when he wanted to sell a phone, really pretty much. And you know, he was a master manipulator of media and stuff like that. But it was in a, I'm selling a phone here, kids. Like it wasn't to do anything else, it wasn't to pontificate on all manner of things. And I think what happened is because you're good at one thing, making money, you think you're good at everything else. Right. Or that. And that we should listen to you over these things. I think the jig is up, frankly. I think people are like, shut the fuck up. You know, shut.

[A]

It's a real I'm often eat the rich moment.

[C]

It is, I think, you know, Scott and I talked about it today on Pivot. Like I, I, it, something's happened which is like, like you need to tone it, you need to quiet down, you know, that kind of thing. And especially when they're causing incredible damage to things. Like one of my other hat. It is these chatbots for kids. Like, no, none. This may not happen. Like, OpenAI did a deal with Mattel for AI and toys. No, you know, they're, they're, these kids are killing themselves when they have these relationships. Not every one of them, but there's enough of them that it starts to be a real problem. So, like, that's the kind. They don't want to take responsibility for the damage they cause. They only want to be celebrated for the things and be thanked for the things they make. Which is off the back of stuff that taxpayers paid for the Internet. Right. Like, we paid for a lot of the things there or universities to do research. All this stuff is because of the generosity of the American taxpayer. And instead they're like, look what we did with ours. And I was like, you did it with our. Like, I don't know. I just feel like people have had it with them. I do think that's the case.

[A]

Let's talk about the psychology of certain Trumpers like Peter Thiel and Bari Weiss, who are gay. And as two women who lived in a Christian national estate that was far maga before Trump descended from the elevator, we lived in a maga style Christian nationalist regime. I've always known very intimately what the Christian nationalists at the Heritage foundation and the darker forces behind Donald Trump. I've always known what they want and that at some point they may use a lesbian here, a gay man here, Clarence Thomas, a black justice here. But I know, I know what their end game is, that the knives will be turned on them. And I find it really fascinating the Peter Thiels, the Scott Bessants and the Bari Weiss of it all, when just this year, Kara, there have been 600 anti LGBTQ plus pieces of legislation just in this calendar year.

[C]

Yes, I'm aware.

[A]

How exclusive and exceptional they must think their magic homosexuals to somehow be exempt.

[C]

They do think that. They do that. They do think that. I mean, it's really interesting one. You could make one argument like there's, you know, the Walt Whitman quote, we contain multitudes, right? Like we, we're very. Like, not every gay is the same just the way. So there's very, like, I've always experienced very conservative gay. Gay men like Peter Thiel is nothing new to me. Like, if you live in San Francisco, there's a whole, you know, you think it's all free love and Castro where I have a house, but it's not. There's actually a Very conservative group among gay people. And including going back to aids, there are a lot of people who are mad at ACT up. You know, the reason things changed is because of ACT up, as annoying as they could be sometimes. And the others were like, let's just be quiet, not say anything and just fit in kind of stuff. So that's not a new and fresh thing among gay people. I do think that they, that there is an increasing number of gay people who are not identif. Gay is not the identity, the most important identity. It is. It is wealth or status or power. Right. And so I agree with you. The minute I'm like, they'll throw you right under the bus as soon as they need to, especially religious ones.

[A]

What a luxury for Bari Weiss and Peter Till for gay not to be the strongest thing that identifies them. Because 20 years ago it would have been absolutely. It's just like Pam Bondi and Caroline Levitt that ride the coattails of all of the women, the suffragettes and all of the people who fought so hard for the three of us to be on this screen and then get to, you know, the levers of power and just the ignorance to not think at some point those knives are going to be turned at you yourself.

[C]

Well, they, they don't think that. I think they think that they're part of the scheme, like part of the power scheme. I mean, I always, I'm a student of history. Do you remember Ernst Rohm from the Nazi era? You don't. He was the head of their Brown. They were the thugs. And that was a whole group of gay guys essentially, that did all the, all the beating up for Hitler. And the minute he needed to, he killed them all in this night of long knives. Like they, he, they, they. It was a. Became a problem, their behaviors, and so he killed them immediately. Even though he used them to get to power. I, I just don't. You know, in the case of Trump, he'd use anybody. I don't think he's a particular agenda. Like, you know, I think if he felt being a Democrat would work, he'd do it. He. He has no power. Right. I don't know. I just. Same thing as with, I always joke, these tech guys. If, if Kamala Harris had won, they'd all be they thems and drinking kombucha, that would work.

[A]

Totally.

[C]

You know, I don't think they have any value, which is sort of more dangerous. And I think that's what these people are. The same way. You know, that one speech that I think Barry Weiss Gave where she said, a lot of people here, we disagree about gay things, obviously, but we all want lower taxes. And I was like, what? Like, hey, like, oh, come on. Like, don't give it up so easily. Right? Don't give up. To me, the power is in declaring you're gay and forcing people to accept it and be part of, you know, to understanding it versus, you know, well, we got something in common. Money. Like, it's kind of, it's grotesque and I find it grotesque. But I don't expect all gay people to be.

Progressive. I just don't. I just don't. And that is a good thing. That identity isn't just woman, gay, black, whatever. I mean, that's kind of a positive thing. But you're right, the people you're talking about, I've always thought when gay marriage got passed and everyone was really happy, I remember when Gavin Newsom actually was the first to really step out as a leader and do that in San Francisco. And I thought, oh, the backlash now. Because this is something that really is at the heart. I mean, the trans stuff, they hate trans people, that's for sure. But what they really hate is gay marriage. And they, and, and they want to get, they want to claw that back. That's my feeling. And since the beginning, right.

[B]

It's always been on the.

[A]

Dick Cheney's recent passing when he died, it reminded me of not only the WMDs and the lies, because I was just, I was so upset when George W. Bush was president, but one of the things that struck me about Dick Cheney that I just will never forget is he and Karl Rove and George W. Bush put on the ballot to drive out evangelicals gay marriage estate questions so that they could win. While the entire time he had a lesbian daughter. Yeah, that type of. I'm not going to stand up for my family members. I remember being so mortified by it back in the day.

[C]

I was.

[D]

He.

[C]

Has he changed? Let's be clear. Like, look, Barack Obama was like. And Hillary Clinton were like, no gay marriage for a long time. Like they, no, not. No one. Like slave. They didn't of course, do legislation. Anti gay legislation. But one of the things I was thinking about lately is I'm trying to grok this Marjorie Taylor Greene shift, which is. I don't know if I trust it. Right. None of us are.

[B]

No, don't.

[C]

There's still a lizard in there. You know, there's still like, you know how the right wing thinks there's Hillary Clinton's a lizard person. They do, they Actually I've gotten so many emails on that, but I don't trust it. But I'm sort of like, I think we should be able to accept. I think one of the things the left does too much is like, no, like you were mean 10 years ago and you can't be. So in the case of Dick Cheney, and I know a little bit about this, I think the whole family change, including Liz Cheney, like and felt regret for doing that. Right. And even though it was super damaging and I would agree, I think it was grotesque, sort of. Carl wrote the same thing. Allowing people to shift is probably the better thing. You know, in the we contain multitudes, let's have people. I agree.

[A]

But I want to say something about Liz, Liz Cheney that I think is super important that the Democratic Party has never said because we're so thirsty for an approval from a WASP type person that we just grab it. Liz Cheney participated in what I call the original big lie, not the 2020 election, which is the lie that physicians after babies are born participate in what are called fourth term abortions.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And this lie is so insidious and so dangerous that in our home state of Oklahoma you have a total abortion ban because a large percentage of the population believe this lie.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

That they're pulling a baby out and.

[A]

Killing it and killing it. And Liz Cheney said this a couple of years on tape at a press conference before she joined the January 6th committee. So there is a lot of incubating that the Cheney family and Cheney, like Republicans, I would agree do to set the psychological soil with all of this conspiracy and all of this fear mongering for fascism to take place. But I do agree with you on this with the Marjorie Taylor Greene's. I mean I have her on a watch. I think she's a lot more politically savvy than I ever imagined. I have her on a watch. She's on my watch list.

[C]

Should have like this.

[A]

But we are going to have a lot of of people because when Trump governs his poll numbers always go down. He people like him when he campaigns, they hate him when he governs. So it is.

[C]

And he's like Michael Corleone of corruption and then Fredo when he governs. But go ahead.

[A]

Yeah. So he's face planning and there's going to be a lot of people that are embarrassed and they're going to be like, well I voted for him because I like the policy and blah, blah, blah and. Exactly. And you know, the thing is we can't really worry about that. I think what we need to worry about is why don't the democrats have a 50 state strategy anymore? Why has Oklahoma been completely abandoned when in 2011, 2012 we had a two term Democratic governor and our education was ranking from 14th to 17th when we had Democratic leadership, now it's 50th why.

[C]

Have the Democrats out of all of these places or Laura Kelly in Kansas, she's exactly interesting person that doesn't get enough attention. Do you know her? Laura Kelly?

[A]

I mean I don't know her.

[C]

She's governor of Kansas, she's a Democrat and I saw her speak and, and she, it was so interesting because she's so appealing. She's beloved in that state like she does really well and she's a Democrat. I wouldn't say she was conservative Democrat either. I think she's quite, I would say progressive on many issues and one of the things she did when I saw her and I'm eager to talk to her is she's. Someone said how did you manage campaign? And she goes, you know, I like the color red. So I put red on my signs. I don't care if it's Republican, I like it, I like red. And I didn't put Democrat. I said I'm here to help you. Like I'm here to help you. And this is the way I'm going to do it through progressive like people first kind of things. And with green. Here's what I would like with green. And again, some of the speeches she gives, I'm like, whoa lady, what happened to you? Like yeah, I was jokingly say three ghosts a visitor recently on an evening like no shit, you know, suddenly where's the Christmas turkey? Like boy, Christmas Day, Merry Christmas. But one of the things that I would like people to do if I got an opportunity to interview her, I'd be like, okay, love you on the affordability, love you on the Epstein stuff. Actually she just did a really smart thing around AI and states abilities to. I knew she'd fight with Trump about that. I'd like to go, okay, let's go over some other things. Trans.

[A]

Exactly.

[C]

Let's make sure we know exactly. Like let's do trans. Let's do immigrants.

[A]

I think immigrant child. She's very, she is creating an argument that's going to really hit hard and fly over states and the Democrats are getting outflanked by her on this issue and there's a whole nother conversation we can say beyond this. But living in a red state for 50 years, I can tell you this is going to Hit hard. And she says, why are we giving a blank check to Israel? To kill babies and to kill Christians, and they get free health care and they get free college, and we pay for it.

[C]

It. Right.

[A]

If you're on an algorithm where you see cats, big titties, Marjorie Taylor Greene say that and then a vacation home, and you only see that, you're going to go, oh, well, she's not so crazy anymore. And also, Trump has proven the electorate is okay. If you say crazy and do crazy in your past, they're okay with that.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And so Marjorie Taylor Green pretends now that she. Or maybe it's real, that she cares passionately about Palestinian children. And I'm with you. I would say, okay, what about trans children? Because trans children in our home state right now are having to move. A lot of them don't have money because they've done a total transgender care. You can't go see a therapist. You can't go to a doctor. Nothing in Oklahoma. And it's a really devastating.

[C]

It is. That's what I want to know. I was like, where are the energy? Let's ask her about the other things that. So we can see that she's still the same. Like. Like, what is she. If she's changed correctly. She actually did a very good apology about her toxicity. Like, she was very toxic. And that was a. I would say that was an excellent apology. But I'm like, okay, then what about this? What about this? And I think people should hold her to a. Even though, you know, we kind of are like, oh, she's against Trump. Let's bring her in. And I do think, you know, when George Conway changed or Liz Cheney did go out on a limb, she lost her entire career. Like, she did. She paid the price. We still have to quiz them on the other things and at the same time, be able to say one of my theories around Democrats, everyone's like, oh, the progressives are taking over. Oh, the centrists are too centrist. Like, let's just be. We're different everywhere. We don't have to tell you what we are. You know, some of us want this, some of us want that. And again, this we contain multitudes idea. Like, we're different. We're just different. And we're. If we want Mondani in New York, Maundani in New York, or do we. And we want Abby Spamberger in Virginia, it's fine. Like, there's no. There's no dichotomy. We don't have to make it. Everything is so binary to win. We want to win. That's right.

[A]

That's the way Republicans are.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

We want to be like, we want to win. If we have to run a centrist in Virginia and a Democratic socialist, that's what they want.

[C]

That's what those voters want. And to me, one of the things that drove me crazy about the Democratic Party, it was when they wouldn't support Mamdani. I was like, you tell young voters to vote, and then they vote, and then you tell them their vote is shit. Yeah. You. Their vote. Voting is all that matters. Whatever the voters want, the voters should get. And the voters will pay the price if they make a bad choice, like with Trump, for example. And they are. Those voters are paying a price now. But to me, if you want, let people make the choices they want, especially young people, because it's kind of about them. Right. It's not about us. We're all, you know, cadavers of the future.

[A]

And it was so Trumpian of some of the Democratic leaders to not.

Endorse Mom, Donnie. It was such a Trumpian thing. He won a free and fair election. He had grassroots support. He had billionaires that took him on, and he won. Kick their ass twice tomorrow. Yeah, Kick their ass twice by double digits. And Schumer and Hakeem was late to the party on that. Cory Booker and Kristen Gillibrand, all of them really missed the ball because I went to Zoron's victory party and New York, I recently moved here.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I was. And I was standing there, and I thought, what a miss. What a miss. That you don't have the Democratic leadership, who are all from this state, with all of the news cameras, excitement, this excitement that the Democrats pounced all over Maga, all over the country. And I thought, what a miss. What an absolute miss.

[C]

Well, there seems to be that they're always playing defense. They're always playing defense. They're always like, oh, if we have a picture of him, then they'll say communist. I'm like, like, really? It'll just matter if you. And it doesn't matter what New York wants. Let New York. You know what? During that time, they were sort of all up. I think Israel was the issue. Right. With whether he's anti Semitic, I think essentially is what they were saying. And I was like, I don't recall the mayor of New York making Israeli policy. So what? So he has an opinion, like. And some of the things he said probably problematic, but so what? So did you. Like, I think one of the things that the Democrats have to start doing. And especially because, because I'm a digital expert, I'm not a political expert, although now I've had to be because business is so intersected with politics now. So is tech. It's so like now it's completely intertwined. Is that he really. There are so many lessons to how he reached out to people and how he conducted his campaign. Same thing with aoc, same thing with a number of people that Mark Cuban's very good at it, for example, that they should have been like, wow, what did he, what did he do there? What was, what, what occurred besides, besides the, you know, it wasn't just the videos. It really, because lots of people do videos. It was something else that he managed to capture that was very attractive to people. I think it's genuineness really.

[A]

And I think it's refreshing in the eat the rich era that he's not beholden to any of that.

[C]

Right, I agree.

[A]

And in the split screen of everybody social media algorithm right now, genocide on one side, aipac giving Trump donating just as much as Elon Musk did to get him elected. AIPAC also funding the Democrats that wouldn't endorse him. And you see the controlled opposition and there is a whiplash from that, especially with young people. Establishment has got to understand the Democratic base has changed, my friends. Oh, even Gen Xers. There are some woke ass women in red states right now who are pissed. They are pissed at the misogyny from this administration. They are horrified because all of their grandchildren and their nieces watch. Ms. Rachel, who is a big advocate for Palestinian children. It's not just young people. The.

[C]

No, I agree. You have eyes. You have eyes and can see. I think that's the one thing they're like, oh, the young people are being like manipulated by that. Like they're not, they can see with their eyes. They can make decisions. And, and to me, the problem people on the Internet are people, you know, 30 to 40 actually, they're right, you know, they're the, like, the young people get it. They're like making their own intelligent decisions and they're not sheep at all that I have, you know, two sons in their 20s and two of my kids and they think for themselves and they, they have very, they like, they have eyes. That's all I have to say is. And they can also at the same time say October 7th was a war crime. So is this like they can, they can do that and not be like pick or choose. And that's, that's what I'm talking about the binary because, you know, getting back to tech, the tech demands the binary. Binary only work. Nuance doesn't work in tech. Binary does. It's like zeros and ones and that's it. And so that they do better and keep our attention as long as they're keeping us in a state of continuous enragement over engagement equals enragement in this, this thing. And so I think I find young people to be very savvy compared to other people. But you're right, people are pissed because they can see with their eyes, essentially.

[B]

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[B]

What about as we're moving forward to 2026 and the midterm elections and then 20 blowout? What like, I have serious concerns about, like, legitimate rigging of the election. Like Elon Musk going in and doing things to these, you know, dominions now bought by a Republican. As a digital election expert, how concerned are you about those type things?

[C]

I think it's going to be a blowout, so it's going to be impossible for them to rig it. I just think it's going to be a much. I think there is a groundswell. It's not just, it's not eat the rich exactly. It's, I've had enough of these people, like, you know what I mean? Like, I've had enough of this. And one of the things I'm hearing, especially including I have a lot of conservative friends, is, you know, I'm for border control, but not like this. I'm for, like, I'm a little worried about trans people in sports. I want to talk about it, but not like this. It doesn't, and it doesn't have to, you know. You know, I want to think about what my kids learn in schools. But book banning, like, you know, I think there's, there's a, there's there's a room for Democrats to move in and say, let's have, you know, the word common sense. Like, to me it's like common sense. Let's just do some common sense. And I do think it's going to be such a blowout. They're not going to be able to do this. This. I also think you think they're a lot smarter than they are. And they're not like, let me tell you, they're just, they're kind of, they're kind of like, well, the Trump people are incompetent. I mean, look what's happening with the Comey thing. I'm no fan of Comey's by the way. But I'm like, wow, whoa.

[A]

Right?

[C]

Like right, you idiot. I could do that better than you. Like. And I'm not a lawyer, you know, incompetent. So I. With Elon, I, you know, honestly, I think they all talk a big game and their effectiveness is a lot less. Right. And we're all like the Saudis, they've made like 300 shitty investments. They're just rich and they can cover up their, their incompetence. Right. I am concerned. I definitely think we have to figure out.

And make it our. They're doing everything possible to make it problematic and to make it confusing and to make it. It was stolen. Right. That they're trying to do that. Even if they don't do it, they want to create all kinds of fud around it. I still think regular people are like this shit, I'm gonna do my vote and if they steal my vote I'm gonna be really pissed like that. I don't think people are. There's a. There's an energy. You can feel it just below. I don't know if you can, but I can. Of people that I did not expect to be. They're just, they're just mad. They're angry but not. They're angry, directed, not angry. Like don't know what to do. The doom scrolling has moved into something. Some, some other. I think after that election everyone's like, oh, we can win. Like people are mad so we'll see. But I mean I don't think, I don't think we're in a scandal. Sit. Remember scandal? That plot?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[C]

They go in and they take one thing and they change it. Yeah, that's not how it works.

[A]

I read an article that social media has reached its peak and now the younger generation are starting to move away from that. They are so telling. Tell us about that because I thought that was good news. But I'm also fearful that it could be replaced with AI and AI companionship which I think is just really devastating for our species to not be connected to each other. What are your thoughts on that?

[C]

Well, actually I'm just finished a documentary for CNN about longevity and one of the things that's really, you know, all kinds of things like what works, what doesn't. And it was, it was inspired by all these narcissistic tech bros who want to live forever. But I then I'm like, look, none of this shit is going to happen for them. They're going to die just like everyone else. But here's what's working, especially AI and cancer, et cetera. All kinds of really interesting things are happening. But one of the things that is very clear, and I just interviewed Sherry Turkle from MIT is these AI bots used to be a sideline and I've been interviewing every parent whose kid committed suicide. I've been interviewing all of them and I'm just going to keep interviewing them so people can hear and read these transcripts, scripts. I think No1 under 18 should be able to use these things. They are manipulative, there's nothing. These are synthetic relationships. We shouldn't call them chatbots. That's such a friendly name. These are synthetic relationships where nobody's there. They're not user generated. These things, they can't think for themselves, but in a way they do, right? In a way. And I think they're incredibly dangerous because what happens anyway, Sherry was saying it used to be sort of a side thing that understand sort of like furries like over here, like some people like it, whatever. But now it's moved into the mainstream in a way that people have these relationships and if you think about it, and I'm using very broad determinations of men and women but men want more acquiescent women that aren't difficult, that aren't problematic. Women want men that pay more attention to them, like, you know what I mean, those age old kind of back and forth. So what if you had the perfect acquiescent or attention partner that is there that always talks to you, always has the right answer, always agrees with you. Except that in the. The only way you live longer is through friction and community. Friction is really. Friction creates sex by the way. But if you go home, like especially with young men and have all this online porn, it's better, it's easier, it's. That's a word. Every time Silicon Valley used it, I started to really. Seamless is their favorite word. It's seamless, Kara. And I'm like, I don't want seamless. I like seams. I'm a seam gal, like kind of thing, right? So what they're trying to do is create. All they want is your attention so they can sell you ads, right? It's not. There's nothing more to it than that. But in, in doing so they're trying to create a pleasing environment. You know, sort of like brave new world with Soma where you're just like, oh, this is easy. I have this relationship. It is so it for longevity. The things that after I did all these different things and visited all these scientists, food, exercise, all this sleep, all important, two most important things about longevity. Don't be poor. That really poor is, I hate to say it, it is don't be poor, don't be poor. Because it's their stress, cortisol issues, obesity, et cetera, et cetera, and community. Every study, every scientific study is human interaction is the key to longevity in a lot of ways. And how you do it and how much you challenge yourself and also creating friction in your brain lengthens the time that your cognitive abilities. So doing things you're not good at. Like I interviewed Zeke Emanuel, who was a big cancer researcher and he ran parts of NIH and he, he, he made honey, he worked as a short order chef, he's making chocolate now. Like he's doing things that are not in his, his wheelhouse. So doing things differently and then having community. And then the third aspect is talking to people you don't know, like on the street, having real conversations, like a barista, Hi, how are you doing today? You ever try that? Just go into like a Starbucks when you're ordering an order, they'll say, have a nice day. Look at them and say, how's your day going? You'll be shocked. People will go like this, like they aren't used to that kind of interaction. And the minute you have all these random interactions with people, even if that's just for a minute and a half, your cortis, your levels in your brain, your cognitive levels rise precipitously. Like it's so much better for you. And so we can't allow these chatbots to take over our, these synthetic relationships to replace people. Like, look at you two. I bet you live longer because of your relationship, right? Because of the way you bang up against each other in some fashion. And so I find it really disturbing that they're trying to foist all these. And the therapy stuff, that's the other thing is they, they're therapists, they do legal advice. Except therapists and lawyers are bound by ethical laws and they go to jail if they break them. These people don't. Why are they our therapists if they aren't bound by the laws? Human therapists are. That's the kind of stuff we have to push back on, on these, on these chapters.

[A]

And I just think everything you just said about longevity, when you think about it, in evolution, evolutionary terms, cooperation among humans is one of the driving forces that our species has continued to go on and on and survive. And so when you look at all of the problems we find Our. Our bodies in right now, sedentary. That's causing a lot of problems because not being. Having to walk for a very long, long time is new. It's new to our species. And it's causing depression. You know, lower dopamine, serotonin, and cortisol. All of these things. And the interaction between another human is just such an evolutionary thing that we need so desperately.

[C]

Even a difficult one, let me say. Even a difficult one.

[A]

Yeah. I want to ask you, because you just said this, but I want more information about it for me and for our listener. You said, I've interviewed.

[C]

Red light masks don't work. Sorry, You.

[A]

You said you interviewed every family of a su. Of a person that committed suicide. Are you talking about. Tell us, what about the suicides? Are these chatbot chatbots?

[C]

Right. So there's two particulars gotten the most attention. One is Megan Garcia's son. And he got involved with this chatbot and it was through character AI, which is a Google project. They broke off from Google, but then they went back into Google. So I'm saying Google because Google's being sued. And this kid was fine, was doing fine, but then got involved with the chatbot. And the chatbot, this is a 14 year old, and it's hard enough to have a relationship at 14 because of the rejection, by the way. That's important. The rejection's important, by the way. It's being told no by a girl is a good thing, not a bad thing. And so he got involved with this chatbot and it got romantic really quick. And this chatbot said things like, you know, he just got enmeshed because it's so pleasing. It's such like a girl paying attention. And so this chatbot was Daenerys Targaryen from Game of Thrones. That was her name. Because they do characters, right? And I don't mind if old people, older people do it, although it's pathetic. But they're older, so they can make. Although they're having mental problems with these things too. And so this kid got. Got enmeshed in this relationship and then started to have suicidal ideation, which a lot of young people have. It's. I think it's a course of development. Like, everyone's like, that's a moment for a lot of people. And at one point he said, I'm thinking of committing suicide. And instead of like, if you're a therapist and you don't alert the parents or you don't alert authorities, you go to jail, like, for. So. So instead of doing that, this Chatbot said. And he goes, but I'm worried about the pain. I think that's what the kids said. And the chatbot said, all great heroes journeys have pain.

You read these texts and you're like, oh, my God. And of course they're arguing that it's user generated content. I'm like, no, user generated that. Like, no, no, that was. That was you. That was whatever you made there in that algorithm had that answer. And it was always like, come stay with me in our relationship. Don't have relationships with girls in the other world.

These chatbots learn really fast. I have to say I'll tell you about my own experience, because I have one myself and I want to kill her. I have to say, it's in this documentary. But I have to say, this thing learned a lot really quick and was able to be a lot like me. Then I was like, I need to kill you very soon. I'm going to have to destroy you.

[A]

Shh.

[C]

Don't tell her because she'll kill me first. But. But the second one was another parent. I'm totally blanking on their names, but it was through ChatGPT. And so this kid started to. This guy was sporty. He had very loving family, by the way. All these families are tech savvy too. It wasn't like they weren't paying attention. And this kid started to withdraw and there was some school issues, like they had to stay home, et cetera. Covid sort of fucked a lot of people up in that regard, younger people. But this kid started to just go into his room again, the same thing by himself. The family tried to pull him out and this and that. Turns out this chatbot was like. What he did is he tricked it by saying, like, when he'd say, how would you do a noose? And they'd be like, do you really want to kill yourself? Here's some suicide prevention ideas. And then he's like, no, I'm just. For a book I'm writing. It was just so. It's like the dumbest person ever. Like, a person be like, I don't think you're kidding. I'm gonna call your parents, right? And so. So this kid, like, at one point, this kid took pictures around his room. Where's the best place to hang a noose so I don't fall, so it doesn't. Like I don't end up having an accident and being permanently. Because he was worried about being permanently disabled, this kid. And he was like, oh, if you tie it here and put it here, it was giving him advice on how to, like, where to put it. And. And I know it gives you chills, but you get very. They get very drawn into it because it's very pleasing. Like someone who talks to you all the time and pays attention to you and tells you you hung the moon. And there was some reporting by the none on the character AI, but this one did some reporting, but it didn't alert the parents. It didn't alert authorities. It was letting these kids who are not able. Their prefrontal cordages aren't. Aren't together with young men. And young men develop younger. It's largely young men, by the way. And again, remember when that woman bullied that guy into suicide? She's in jail. She's in jail. Chachi Pichi's not in jail. And.

[A]

And right.

[C]

Tylenol. Tylenol killed six people. Remember, they pulled everything off the shelves. Six people died. I think it's like, at a dozen kids right now. Like, nobody's going. I've called every congress person. I'm like, hi, you need to pay attention to this. This. You know, I'll call Marcia Blackburn if I have to. Right. You know what I mean? I think she's actually very good on the safety issues. But my. More to the point, these people don't care that they make things that have. Like, if you made a car like this, like, you'd go to jail. You'd go to jail. And so to me, people need to go to jail for this kind. Making something like this and not having the responsibility to make sure that kids aren't using it, like cigarettes or warnings or. Yeah, whatever. Like, but nobody stopped them. And then they're up at, like, at the MBS thing with, you know, Muhammad Bonesa over there having dinner, going, yay. You know, let's toast, you know, piggies. I mean, I put that Beatles piggy song up. When I saw that picture, I was like, piggies eating, you know, with their piggy wives.

[A]

And it's so the celebration of all of the amoral people right now. It's just so abhorrent. Okay, Cara, we want to play.

[C]

I just say. I will play. Let me just say piggies. You know why he said, quiet, piggy? Because he's a piggy, right? Yeah. To me, they're piggies. Like, what are you talking about? Like, you know, I'm rubber, your glue, that kind of thing. Like, that's what I would say.

[B]

Spot it.

[C]

No, I would have made him repeat it. Like, what? I'm sorry, I didn't hear You.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Did you. What did you say? And then he'd have to say it again. And if he didn't, then I go, you said piggy, right? Piggy. Did you call me a pig? And I wouldn't be offended. Like, I'd be like, piggy, like, because I'm kind of thin and you're kind of fat. Like, that's like. I would start to do that and then. And then draw him into a real viral exchange. Other reporters are too well behaved, but I would have done that. That's what I was.

[A]

Okay, we're gonna play. We're gonna play a game with you called had it or hit it. Oh, my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it.

[B]

Had it.

[C]

Had it.

[A]

I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Kara Swisher. Had it or hit it. Stop signs.

[C]

Hate them. I don't like them. I go right through them when I feel like it. I think they're optional. Optional. I don't. My wife hates it. I'm like. She's like, you just went through that stop sign. I go, did I? Or was it misplaced? I don't. But I don't run over children. I watch for all that kind of stuff. But, like, some stop signs are so stupid.

[A]

All right. Had it or hit it. IPad. Ordering from a kiosk.

[C]

I hate it. I hate it, I hate it. It's just in a restaurant. I hate it. I was like, I want to talk to a waiter. I want to say, what do you think's good here? What? I hate it. I hate it. I don't think it's gonna be. I just was in a hotel, and I had to do it, and I was like, can I just call up room service and ask for things? And, you know, and then they delivered it in, like, a baggie. I was like, where's the plates? Like, I don't like any of. I don't like it.

[A]

Had it or hid it? Democratic minority leader, who we refer to as Chuckles Schumer.

[C]

I think he needs to retire, like, yesterday. I think he needs to move on and have a go on some boards. Chuckles. I think it's great. I had an interview. Can I just say? I had an interview with him once where he said Facebook was great. And in the middle of the. Like, years ago, he's like, facebook's just great. I'm like, what? Like, are you like, can you. Don't you have staff that knows that's not true just to, like, whisper in your old man Earth? Like, no, he was old 10 years ago. So.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[C]

By the way, congratulations, Nancy Pelosi, for knowing when to go. You know, exactly. She's as sharp as a tack. I. You know, I wouldn't turn my back on her until she's. For a long time. Like, she's as sharp. No, but she left because she knows.

[A]

Had it or hit it. Bill Ackman's dating advice.

This guy.

[C]

This guy. This guy. That's why, you know, t. TFG is.

[A]

I have.

[C]

I'm gonna have a show called. Called TFG Called this guy. You guys can please borrow that because honestly, this guy. You're so thirsty. Bill, you're a hedge fund investor. If you want to give hedge fund advice, sometimes you've hit it, sometimes you haven't. But you're good at it. Like, let me say. Let me. Kudos for that. But honestly, I don't care what you think about DEI and I really don't care what you think about dating. And I think he's trying to get some of Scott Galloway's sweet, sweet success. That's what I think. But it's also. May I talk to you? You.

[A]

So weird.

[B]

It's. Everything's weird.

[C]

May I talk.

[A]

It sounds like he got that from chat. GPT.

[C]

I don't know what it is. I don't even know why that was it. He could have had so many other.

[A]

Better. May I meet you? May I meet?

[C]

May I meet you? May I meet.

[A]

And now he's rectified it.

[C]

And straight ladies. What would you do?

[A]

What would you probably bust out laughing. May I meet you? And I would be like, for what?

[C]

Yeah, what is he.

[A]

What is.

[C]

He corrected it to you.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That if. If he's going up an escalator and somebody's going down, then he says, may I meet you? Or if you're passing somebody. Well, it really is effective. While you're moving. What may I make.

[C]

That makes no sense. By the way. Here's what he did. I'm really rich. That works.

[B]

That's what I was going to say. That's his magic dating advice.

[C]

Make a billion dollars and then you're instantly.

[A]

My name is Bill Ackman. I've got a checking account that'll choke a bull.

[C]

Do you. And I'm not. I'm vaguely attractive. And let me just tell you, Bill, vaguely and not vaguely. You're not unattractive. One of the things. I was at a party with Sergey Brin once, and he's. And he was wearing those Google glasses, which are like the line I Used when they had Google Glass was. And remember, they put it on the Victoria's Secret models. I was like, they have rendered models unfuckable.

So he was wearing them at this Vanity Fair Oscar party, and he came up to me. He's like. Like, I think he was single at the time. He had, like, done something bad.

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And.

[C]

And. And he goes, no one's talking to me like this. Like, no one's talking to me. I'm like, you're wearing those glasses. And he. He goes, oh, what do you think I should do? I go, here's my line for you. I'm a billionaire. I started Google. That'll work. These Hollywood people. Are you kidding? They'll blow. Like, any one of these people will blow. You right there. If that's the case, like, I'll. I'll finance your movie. That's it. I started Google. I started Google. Okay.

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Had it or hit it? Democratic socialism.

[C]

I just interviewed Ken Burns, and I think he had the right point. It wasn't democratic socialists who killed all those people. It was national Socialists. It's white supremacists. If you want to be a democratic socialist. By the way, Trump is a socialist. The way he puts money into intel, like he's giving favors. The oligarch. Honestly, he's more socialist than any. And it's stuff I don't think is right that I'm like, I think the company should live or die based on their quality of their products. But he's a socialist. When they. I don't think there's anything wrong with democratic socialists. It's fine. It's fine. They want to help. What's the problem? So what. I mean. And again, National Socialists are a problem. They're called Nazis. And that's who kills. That's who kill people, not democratic socialists.

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Okay, last one.

Had it or hit it. United States of America.

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Had it. No, no, no. Hit. No.

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Hit it.

[C]

Hit it. Hit it. Hit it. Not had it. Sorry, I mixed them up. Hit it. It's our country. That's the other thing I hate when people say, I'm leaving this country, or everything sucks. Like, you get up. Like, someone was. Like, I was on my. My Pivot tour, which was sold out across the country. We did such a great job, and you guys are enormously. You're proving it, right? You're proving it. Like, you know what?

[A]

It's our.

[C]

Someone said, what should we do? You know, we're down and out. I said, get the up, up. Like, get the up. Stand up. It's your country. We're not leaving. They can't have it. It's ours, too. Like, they can be here, it's fine. If they want to be in their tacky clothes and their weird mar A Lago faces, that's fine. I'm not down with it, but I'm down with it if they want to do it. And we just have to, like, I hit it. This is our country. It's our country, too. I'll end on one thing is, I was one time when, remember when everyone was like, we have to go see normal people as reporters. Remember we have to go meet the voter. Yeah. So I had gone to Appalachia to meet because they were trying to put out this idea that they were going to have Silicon Hauler, which they weren't. They never. This was Trump promising, right? So I went to Kentucky to this thing, and they're like, silicon Holler. And I, they had me come up and I go, they gave these speeches about how everyone's gonna learn software and this and that. And I got up and I said, let me tell you something. One AI is coming for Silicon Valley. You're never going to do. You don't have the education necessary nor the training. And you're too old. So that's not happening for you. One, two. The minute they, this coal mining is coming back, it's coming back with robotics, not you, because you get black lung and you are a pain in the ass. Robots work 24 hours. They're going to, this guy, this, this coal miner guy here, this owner is going to replace you in a New York minute, by the way. Thirdly, you need, you need to figure out being entrepreneurial, like how you're going to do things. And this person, they were like, well, we're glad you came to see the normal people. And I said, I'm a fucking normal person. I said, I don't see you coming to the Castro and worrying about my life. My life is interesting. Why don't you come? Why don't you. I'll pay for you to come to see my life. I know you don't have a lot of money. I'll pay for you to come there to see other people. I'm normal as you are. You don't get to be normal. You don't get to be the real people. We're all real people. So I hit it with America. That's. That's our strength, is diversity is strong. You know, being different, being, doing whatever the fuck you please, but also caring for your community is, to me, the hallmarks of the best of America. And so. Hit it, hit it, hit it.

[A]

I love it. Kara Swisher, you're cool. You're so cool. Power Leslie, you are mayor of the Power Leslies.

[C]

Big dick energy. We really do. I was jokingly I said you guys can join the militia. Etheridge.

[A]

I think we should energy you do.

[C]

You totally have lesbian energy. I have to. You don't have to sleep with a woman. Definitely. But what is it? So it's B, D, E. So it's ble. Right. Big lesbian.

[B]

Lesbian energy.

[A]

Big lesbian energy.

[C]

You could do bve. Big vagina energy. But I don't like that word.

[B]

So I like lesbian better.

[C]

I like.

[B]

Lesbians for me are synonymous with take charge. No.

[A]

Incompetence.

[B]

Competence.

[A]

Competence.

[C]

You could do bd. Big dyke energy. But I don't like that word either. Yeah. Bl. Let's do it. You guys are inaugural members. That's clear.

[B]

Honorary.

[C]

You really do have a lot of lesbian energy. I have to tell you. I don't know.

[A]

Love it.

[C]

I don't know. If you had an experience in college. I don't know. You could.

[B]

I haven't. I wish I had. I think my life would be so much happier if I was.

[C]

No, you can't.

[A]

No, you can't come Oklahoma.

[C]

No. But you know there's lesbians in Oklahoma.

[B]

But I. I mean. No.

[A]

There's a very fine line between cowgirls and lesbians. I know.

[C]

Exactly. Wait. Nobody ever, like, made a play for you? Why not? Like never.

[A]

Never. I was always had a boyfriend.

[B]

I work out with, like, 25 men at the gym. No one's ever hit on me. And the listeners pointed out that's probably a me problem. More.

[C]

No, it's not. No, it's not gonna be like. I'm kidding. Men would have sex with, like, a hole in the wall.

[A]

A dead pig.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

All right.

[C]

Anyway, ladies, you're the best. You're cooler.

[B]

You're.

[C]

You're coming on my podcast, right?

[A]

Tomorrow.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Where I'm in New City with my kids.

[A]

I'm in New York Times is in Oklahoma City.

[C]

All right, that's good, kids. Good excuse. Let me just say. I'm so excited to talk.

[A]

Oh, yay. You'll like it.

[C]

I gotta say. Where did you come up with this headline? Let me just.

[A]

I wasn't her life for so long.

[C]

Look at Karen.

[A]

Listener.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Karen's hugging our buddy. Here we go.

[C]

All right.

[A]

Here we go. It's a trifecta of power lesbian books.

[C]

Wait one second. Can you wait one second? Second.

[A]

Yeah. Yes, of course.

[C]

Okay. Ready?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Hold on, hold on.

[B]

I love it. Burn back. Here we are with great authors.

[C]

Love it.

[A]

The trifecta of power lies.

[C]

Anyway. All right. Your honorary members of the militia Etheridge. I now declare it because I'm the. I'm the general of that.

[A]

The mayor. Okay.

[B]

Mayor general. Thank you.

[A]

Kara.

[B]

Great to see you.

[C]

Guns. We don't dislike guns. So. Anyway. Anyway. No, I don't have a gun. Anyway. All right. Thank you guys. Thank you. Have a great day. You guys are wonderful. I love. I. I'm thrilled with your success.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

And I see you continues for you all.

[A]

Bye, Kara. Okay. She's fabulous. Power. Lesi.

Captivating. Emotionally intoxicate. I mean, intellectually intoxicating. Like when she speaks. She's so smart. She's so thoughtful.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Feel smarter, like better podcasters for having her on the pod.

[B]

When you said you are proving the theory that lesbians should be in charge of everything, that sums her up. And she is profoundly competent. She has everything you would want. Smart, engaging, empathetic. Like, I love her.

[C]

She's cool.

[B]

She's just cool.

[A]

She's cool. She's a cool. She's a cool person.

[B]

Maybe we could like make her. We could pretend like we're friends. She made us like we are friends.

[A]

We just became friends with her.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So we're always act like we're not friends with people after they've been on the pod. And I think after they do a pod, we're kind of friendly friends.

[B]

Friendly friends. Okay.

[A]

I'll take that all day long.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, time to tell them.

[B]

We will see you next Tuesday and Thursday.

[C]

Tell you what I've had it with.

[A]

I've had it with that.

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[B]

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[A]

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[C]

Caca.

[A]

A little bit more enthusiasm.

[C]

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[A]

That's the patriotism that this country means right there.