C (6:20)

Yeah.

A (6:21)

Posted on ig. It's going to be a total banger. And everybody's like, oh, my God, yes. Nobody goes, stop it. He's the President of the United States. No, he doesn't need. They're all fucking nuts.

C (6:33)

No, they're all in on it. And one thing, when it reminded me of Stephen Miller, because he's so. I mean, fucking hysterical. But have you ever noticed on Fox News, when he's on there, he does this pose where it's kind of a side profile face? So I've noticed that over and over. And I'm like, this is a guy that stands in front of the mirror and says, oh, my God, my profile looks so strong. And so I'm gonna go on there and I'm gonna melt down and I'm gonna do the side profile. Like, it's. Every time it's weird. Unless he has, like. Like some kind of brace or something that moves his head over. But, I mean, he. He makes me insane. This whole regime makes me insane.

A (7:17)

It's wild. And I'm so shocked that so many people that are the quickest to judge, the quickest to judge black people, trigger happy to judge drag queens trigger happy to throw the LGBTQ community under the bus, women. How quick they are to support such cowards. Like, they're obvious, objective, demonstrative cowards. I mean, like, they're all complete cowards. Nobody ever stands up and does the right thing, says the right thing. It's all of this dumbed down red meat. And then I think about, like, the people that I know personally that live in Oklahoma, that triple trump. And just the way I view them now, like, it's just with such utter pity and disgust, like what a disgusting human being you are that even with your vote you couldn't stand up for something. You couldn't stand up for women. Let's just be broad. Let's be broad women. And then when you start narrowing down, they can't stand up for anybody because they've all bought into this bullshit cult. And some people do it for religious reasons, some people do it for racial reasons, some people do it for financial reasons. Some of them, it's all of the above. It's a trap. The people regardless. But regardless it they're so broken. Such broken people. This is a cult of total broken people. And these are the people at stage five meltdown because Hillary Rodham Clinton called them a basket of deplorables. Trump calls liberals all the time you radical scum. Your vermin like Hitler S type stuff. Nobody on the left has a meltdown when he says this. Like, remember when Joe Biden said that his supporters were trash and then they all started wearing trash bags because they were so triggered. Nobody on the left does this. But these people are pathetic. Titty baby broken. And at their core is an insatiable cruelty. And that's the through line that I see through all MAGA people cruelty. They are cruel people to their core. This whole narrative that we can say, oh, they're good people, those are good people. They're fucking not. And we need to accept it. I was on a podcast the other day and I was talking to the host and there's just a group, 30, 35% of the American public. We have to accept these people are broken. They feast on recreational cruelty, they snack on racism, they appetize on misogyny. They love not nothing more than discussing genitalia of people and the sex lives of people. And they're immovable and unchangeable. And so when I see Democrats play patty cake with some of their narratives and allow these broken, deplorable, trashy people to define a narrative, that's where I'm starting to get mad. Because we've known these people forever. They're pieces of shit. They've always been pieces of shit. And Trump is going to make them worse. And you just have to accept it. That's just a part of the electorate and move on from it. But the when you see certain high profile politicians allow that framing to frame their movement forward, that's what really pisses me off.

C (10:49)

Well, it's just all. And I like how you were like, snacking on racism because you're 100% right. Like, I was going through that whole metaphor with you, and I'm like thinking about the people in my family, and I'm like, check, check, check.

A (11:05)

You're right. And it's cruelty. They like it. I mean, just. Just casually throwing out racist shit in today 2026, the person is aware that they are racist. They are aware that they are saying racist things. They are aware that. That it is hurtful, yet they do it anyway because they feast on the cruelty and the supremacy and the entitlement that racism feeds what is broken in them. And there's no more. You know, sometimes in white circles, you'll have people say, oh, they don't know they're racist. I'm like, do not provide cover for racist. That to me, is worse. That is a worse standard. And, you know, people know when something is wrong when they select which audience they can use the racist stuff in front of. And that's how, you know. And so this. I believe if we get through this thing, like, the pendulum will go back and we got to get woke back and embrace our multicultural society. And if all of these, you know, racist. Want to hang out with each other and watch like, I don't know, croquet and listen to country music and watch like, what's his name, the karate guy with the red hair? Chuck Norris, then that's what they can do for their entertainment. Wow, he's a maga, right?

C (12:39)

Yeah, but I mean, that was a good one.

B (12:41)

That was a good one.

A (12:42)

Well, I mean, I'm just trying to think of MAGA people, and it's just that there's not that many they can listen to Kid Rock Rock, but that. That's what they can have in their lives. But here's the thing. All of these races are the biggest consumers of multicultural entertainment ever. And they want to dictate, like, if they. Like a certain sport, they want to dictate what the athlete's political opinions can be.

C (13:05)

Right.

A (13:05)

How demeaning. I mean, just, it's. It's such. It's so gross. I've had it. I've had it. Had it. Had it with trenders. Okay, let me. I don't know if I have a grievance today, but we'll get off that for a second. I have a funny story. Okay, so Josh and I, my husband, listener Josh and I went to Mexico for a week for Valentine's Day, and we took our dogs, tubby and cha Cha. And Tubby is 10, and he is a neutered male. And I would say when it comes to his sexual orientation, he is. Jennifer. Sexual. Like, he is in love with me.

C (13:43)

That's true.

A (13:44)

He's not bisexual. He's not heterosexual. He's not asexual. He is. He prefers me. Like, he's in love with me. He thinks he's my husband. He thinks he's my son. He thinks me, he's my brother. Like any sort of partner, that's what he believes he is in my life. And quite frankly, that's what I believe he is. Right. And so Josh and I live separately. A lot of the time I'm in New York, he's in Oklahoma City. And Tubby really enjoys it when Josh isn't in Oklahoma City because he sleeps on the other side of the bed on the pillow. When we're on the sofa together, he's right next to me.

C (14:21)

He.

A (14:22)

He is. He enjoys the point position that a dedicated partner should have, right? So as we go to Mexico, we would get two chairs on the beach, and Josh would be fidgeting around with his sunscreen or his earplugs. I mean, just some ailment, you know, some shit that he has, right? And Tubby would just hop right up on Josh's chair and just stretch out. And then Josh would have to move him. And then we would go to get in a car, and Josh would forget something, of course, and then he'd have to get out, and hubby, Tubby would pop from the ground of the car, like the floorboard of the car, up to Josh's seat. And Josh, finally, about three days into the vacation, he goes, oh, we're on the airplane. Josh had to go to the restroom. Tabby hops up from the ground into Josh's seat. And finally, I hear Josh. He comes back out to the lounge chairs one day, and he goes, tubby, you are not her husband. You do not get to sit next to her. You do not get to sleep next to her. You have to give me these spots. And I mean, it's almost like Tubby knew. And so it was like this, constantly jockeying for who gets to sit next to me, which at 51 years old, I like the inner competition between canine and man.

C (15:38)

Yes.

A (15:39)

Really enjoyable stuff. Stuff, right?

C (15:41)

Yeah.

A (15:41)

And so finally, the very last day, we're leaving to go back to the airport. And Tabby had been doing this multiple times a day, and Josh just had it. I mean, he's just like, you are not her husband.

C (15:51)

Like, fighting.

A (15:54)

Yeah. Which, of course, I'm lapping all of it up. Right? And so I'm just, you know, grinning from ear to ear, like, it's so

B (16:00)

great to be desired.

C (16:03)

Everybody wants me.

A (16:05)

So then we're leaving, and Josh goes. He forgets something, so he has to run back into the hotel. And Tabby immediately just hops up into the seat right next to me in the vehicle. Cha Cha's fine sitting at my feet. And Josh comes back, and he opens the corner. He goes. Opens the car door and he goes, oh, my God. God damn it, Tubby. He's jealous. He's jealous.

C (16:34)

But you know Tevi, he's always been like that. He gets jealous of me being around you. I mean, he wants your full, full attention at all times. But now that I have Ollie.

A (16:48)

Oh, my gosh.

C (16:49)

Same. I love his attention. I love all of it. He and I completely agree. Boyfriend, husband, brother, sister, child. He's all the thanks.

A (16:59)

And I just want to say this, and I'm just going to share this with you and the listener, only because it's a secret. I kind of wanted Tubby to have some of those seats more than I did Josh. And I love my husband. I do. But I just, like, I enjoy having my dog, like, right next to me. Like, I really enjoy it. I mean, I'm not gonna tell Josh that. You know what's hilarious? So, you know, I trash talk Josh on the podcast all the time. He doesn't listen to it. Right. But he says he'll be, like, at the courthouse or at a restaurant picking up takeout food, and they're like, oh, hey, I heard that you had your ear surger. Thank goodness. Josh is such a good sport.

C (17:41)

Yeah, the best.

A (17:43)

Yeah.

C (17:44)

Thick skin, doesn't care. No, he's so good about that. I cannot believe we are this far end to the podcast and you have not browbeat me unmercifully for almost taking you down at the GLAAD Awards and that only your quick thinking and strong abs saved us both.

A (18:06)

Okay, so here's what she's talking about. Pumps is like, she's always like. Like, when she's out in public, it's like, oh, my God, I can't balance. Oh, my God. And I'm just very calm and like, hi, it's nice to meet you. You know, and pumps. I was like. Like this, right? And so when you have that kind of energy all the time, you're off balance. And so I'm used to it. And when she goes off balance, she doesn't Just take the fall herself, like a woman. She grabs me to be pulled down with her. And so we're backstage at the GLAAD Awards. They're announcing our award, and she starts falling over. And I have it on video. She says the cameraman bumped into her. He absolutely did not.

C (18:58)

He did.

A (18:59)

And it. It's on video. And she. It's just a total. Like, maybe just one step back is all you have to do. But with her, everything is hyper dramatized. And so it's like, normally a normal person just kind of take a step back and that's the end of it. With her, it's like. And then she starts grabbing me, and I immediately, like, just tighten my core, brush her hands off of me like that. And then I'm right back, camera ready. Because I've been through it so many times. Her.

C (19:30)

But you kept me from going to the ground, too.

A (19:34)

Yeah, I think it was just. I wasn't as worried about you as I was. My dress, to be honest. I was just like, I'm not right now. I'm not. There's no reason for her to grab me. There's no reason that I'm involved. Like, there's no reason. There's no reason for me to be involved in that. None.

C (19:53)

I'm out of that.

A (19:55)

I. There's no. There is no reason that I should have been because you. I mean, like, it is an effort. Like, we showed the girl who was with us at the Glider wars, that other video of us in Budapest, and you're like, I needed her. She's like, no, you took her down. Like, you. You grabbed the person and you start pulling that person down with you to accelerate, like, balance.

C (20:17)

But I end up taking the whole ship down.

A (20:20)

Not grabbing for balance.

C (20:21)

It is grabbing for trying to stay upright.

A (20:24)

It is an aggressive. And there is a pulling pull. There is a pull. And that's why I, Like, I felt it and I just. I didn't even have to turn around. I knew exactly what it is. I just tightened my core and then just brushed her elbows off of me. Like, I'm not going down right here. Not in this dress. Not. Not back. Not right here. I'm not doing this. I should not have been touched in this.

C (20:51)

You didn't even have. You knew exactly.

A (20:53)

I knew exactly what it was, and I wasn't gonna have any part of it.

C (20:57)

It's not your first rodeo with me.

A (20:58)

We have it. We have all of these on tape, and it's a. It's a very aggressive reach. Let's get Kylie in here. Welcome to. I've had it. Kylie, do you remember when we were in Budapest and we posted that when pump starts to fall?

B (21:11)

Yep.

C (21:12)

I went all the way to the ground that time. Yep.

A (21:14)

It's a grab, grab. Like I'm gonna take this person down with me.

C (21:21)

It's no, it's more trying to stay upright, like getting balanced. It may feel like I'm trying to take you down, but I'm trying to stay up.

A (21:29)

Okay, we've got time for some news stories. This one is all over the Internet. It's pretty alarming. And it says nearly a third of Gen Z men believe a wife should always obey her husband. A new global survey finds that among younger generations of men and boys, traditional attitudes about gender roles may be more common than among older generations. This says 24% of Gen Z men agree that a woman should not appear too independent or self sufficient, compared with 12% of baby boomer men. And 21% of Gen Z men believe a real woman should never initiate sex, compared with just 7% of baby boomer men.

C (22:18)

You know, my response to that is, if you want to know why men are incels, this is why. This is why. Like, there's no big conspiracy against them. If that is what you think. No woman wants to be around you, full stop.

A (22:37)

Yeah. And this is also reminiscent of the megachurch boom from the 80s that then led to Gen Xers raising more conservative kids. And I'll let Pump speak to this, but my experience with this is that there are these private schools all over the United States, and these schools focus on abstinence, heterosexual marriage, and women submitting to their husbands. These are the three tenets that these schools teach above and beyond anything else. They don't teach about how to be a good person. So you've got all homophobia, sexual shame, and traditional marriage bullshit all in misogyny all wrapped into this. And you have people with a waiting list to send their kids to school there. And Pump sent her kids there before she did her unraveling deconstruction of all of this. But all of her friends, when I would go to these basketball games and see her friends, it is all women just like Pumps and me that will say, oh, well, you know, no, I definitely submit to my husband. It's very open. It's very brazen. They say it very proudly. A lot of Pumps's acquaintances at that school, it was so shocking to me because I wasn't into all of that and I loved Pumps, but I was like, God, these women are fucking freaks. That they just say, oh, I submit to my husband. Or the way they just casually throw in this misogyny wrapped up in religion. And so, so these kids that are surveyed in that they were raised in these households and I'll let Pump speak to it, but I mean, these kids are trained to be this way, indoctrinated.

C (24:25)

And you know, it's interesting because the household I grew up in, my mother always worked. She was definitely the decision maker, final decision maker. But she has said to my face in the last 10 years, so glad your dad's the head of our household. I just don't know what a household would be like if the, you know, there wasn't a man to be ahead of the household says that to me who has raised my kids by myself. Okay, that's. So that's where I come from. That's the start. And then on the submitting to your husband, it's, it's real. They don't come out and just say, oh my God, my husband makes all the decisions. But the way they work it into conversation, that's how they did it. I had one lady say to me, it's like, what are you going to name? And it was like, 17th child. Well, I like this name, but, you know, so the husband, he told me that he was the head of the household and he would decide. And I mean, my mouth hit the floor. And so oftentimes in this what. Which is the mixed message that I got. That's why I was so easy to be able to dismiss. The submitting to your husband is all of these women that talk about I'm submitting to my husband. I have traditional gender roles. They work, they have careers. So it's this mixed message that you can have the best of both worlds when really you cannot. It is such a dangerous message. I was the victim of it in my own life, you know, quitting work, doing all that. But you know, I mean, it's just, it's everywhere. And she's exactly right about these schools. Throw in a little racism too.

A (26:07)

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C (26:16)

It's going to be so fun

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B (31:03)

I'm okay. I'm hanging in there. My three and a half year old decided that that she can open doors and will open doors in the middle of the night. So I'm in that struggle. I'm not gonna lie. I'm in the like, mommy, can I sleep with you struggle. And the answer I need is no, you cannot. But it ends up being yes. So I'm here. I'm a little tired. Thank you. I'm so happy to be with you.

A (31:30)

So happy to have you. You know, three year olds are difficult. It's a very difficult time. I had a therapist once tell me that they can be so cute and darling and all of the sweet moments that you have are very important bonding times that prepare you as a mother for the fuckery that comes with them being teenagers. Yes. So this bonding that you're having is super important.

C (31:54)

Dude.

B (31:54)

It's. Yeah. I mean, luckily, I guess at 16, she won't want to like sleep in the bed with me. She'll just want to like sell pictures of her feet online. And I'll be like, you can't do that. Explain why you can't do that.

A (32:06)

All right, let's tell our listener who doesn't know who you are. Listener Francesca is a comedian, and you've seen her on AJ The Young Turks, Zateo, the Majority Report, and the host of the Bituation Room podcast, which Pumps and I were on a couple weeks ago. But I want to. Before we dive into what you've had it with, I want to talk about something right out of the gates. So Pumps and I have been podcasters for, like, three years. Three months. Right. I was an interior designer. Still am. She was a divorce attorney. And we kind of didn't know what we were doing, but it. It took off.

B (32:43)

Blah, blah, Amazing.

A (32:44)

And so congratulations on your glad award.

B (32:46)

That was so fantastic.

A (32:49)

Thank you.

B (32:49)

You're making the rounds. Everyone is like, mother, yes. Like, everyone's really happy for you. And specifically because, you know, you both cut through the bullshit and in life and you're very real and also politically. And I think coming from it, you know, maybe even just being three years in the game is helpful because you can see things for what they are. Yeah. Yeah.

A (33:15)

It's. For me, the LGBTQ community was an integral part of my growing, because when I grew up in the suburbs of Oklahoma City, it was all evangelical Christians were my peers, but my parents were atheists. And so the judgment and the cruelty that white evangelical Christians have for others is we're witnessing on a global stage right now. But so when I went to college, I was like, I like these gay men. This is fun. Who knows? So we went to the gay bars, and my best friends in life are gay men and always have been. And it was a really important part and sense of community that I had in the backdrop of all of the religious cruelty that exists in the Bible. But make no mistake about it, Bible belt religion, white evangelical Christianity is a religion of cruelty. And you can see it now. But I want to. I want to get to something I think is really interesting. So we had Jank on the podcast of the Young Turks. We don't. I don't fall. I don't listen to podcasts. I don't watch design shows. I don't. Whatever my job is, I don't, when I'm off work, do those things. And I don't follow online personality drama. And I oftentimes don't read a lot of the comments because sometimes they're not super favorable. And I just think I'm going to keep doing this. So Kylie was like, yeah, a lot of people didn't like jank and blah, blah, blah. I was like, okay, you know, can't please everybody. Well, then we have Kasparian on and I went and looked at the comments and everybody in our audience hates, hates her. I've never seen the comment section like this. It's not one, it's not two, it's thousands upon thousands upon thousands of comments. And I was just. They're like, they didn't listen to us with Cenk. And then they have on and on. So why the fuck does everybody hate these two people? And you used to work with them.

B (35:12)

I did, I did. And you know, don't really regret my time, but I. This kind of dovetails with what I'm. I've had it with. So maybe I can open with what I've had it with and that'll explain sort of why I've had it with those two. And maybe some people in your audience have as well. So I've had it with centrists parading around as progressives. And these can be anyone from Gavin Newsom to Hakeem Jeffries to Nancy Pelosi, but also in the media, Bill Maher, Cenk Uygur, and Anna Kasparian. These are, in my opinion, opportunistic slugs who whenever the chance arises, they will say the right things in order to basically break bread with the right, have them on their podcast and offer up as sort of a sacrifice portions of the so called left that people think that they come from. Whether that's trans people, whether that's people of color, whether that's immigrants, right. Whether that's unhoused people. All of the issues that I personally care about as someone who wants to see economic, social, racial justice in this country, they have no problem with. And they can continually get pushed into this category of they're liberal. Oh, they're a left. Oh, they're a progressive. Gavin Newsom. As if we didn't see him sweeping up homeless encampments from these poor folks who don't have anywhere else to go. We don't see him vetoing on a California wide level harm reduction initiatives to actually help people prevent them from dying from ODing. And so Cenk and Anna are squarely in that centrist category. And they hate being called that because they've spent most of their careers railing against Nancy Pelosi, railing against even people like Gavin Newsom, although they are actually to the right of Newsom on a lot of things. But they get heralded as These liberals, and they are everything but these are people who want to again, have a beer with Charlie Kirk, you know, RIP they want to, you know, they literally will say that, you know, the left has gone crazy. They're out of their minds. And because they're good on one issue or maybe two issues, everyone gives them a pass and they still kind of get to go through the world as if they haven't said incredibly problematic and hurtful things. In the example of Anna, as you mentioned, of course your audience was pissed because she. Which is ironic, she spent so much time saying culture wars are really a distraction from the main war against the 1%. It's like, like totally. And yet for the past five years, she's been on a slow decline into there should be limits on where trans people get to exist. Right? She's against trans athletes, which is like cool. You're against five people. Fun, you know, real popular position there. And she's, you know, lately talked about and really lied about things like trans people in dressing rooms, right? Trans people in locker rooms that actually there was a man and locker room once. And all of these things that actually really are. And Jen, you know, this just straight up right wing proud boys, like fucking reactionary, psychotic extremist shit to say, because again, this is a permission structure to dehumanize people. And so it's trans people, one day it's immigrants, the next day it's unhoused people, it's people of color, it's women, it doesn't matter. This is what we call solidarity. And we don't throw anyone under the bus. If you're a real leftist, if you're a real progressive. They sadly have Jake and I have an hour long debate on my show, the Bituation Room. You guys can go watch that. You can go watch that, Jen, if you wanna see a grown man yelling a lot and getting very flustered because he believed in this interim between Trump winning again and Trump assuming office, that all we needed to do was come together with the right and find common cause. Well, that common cause again, is often over the bodies of real people. People who are dying, people are in the crosshairs. People who are being dragged off of planes because they have an alarm going off on their phone that tells them to pray. So this is why I've had it with these centrists who never own up to the fact that they're centrist. I don't have a problem with Gavin Newsom. But you're just say you're a centrist, say you're A centrist. You like corporate Democrats. You like billionaires. You will not. You will not approve a 5% tax on them. You are a centrist. It's okay. I just don't agree with you.

A (39:47)

Okay. I think that was very enlightening. And I just want to say to our listeners that were disappointed that we have them on this, I'm happy that Francesca is here to explain the problem. I too, really get angry when marginalized people are thrown under the bus or that we seed ground and allow the litter box crowd, you know, the litter box conspiracy theorists, to make up shit and talk about trans people. And trans people don't want to be spoken about. They're sick of it. They want to exist. They want to live. This is a huge problem with. This is a huge problem right now in politics when people have pick me syndrome, where they want to have the straddle of trying to find which way the wind is blowing. And I see this with Gavin Newsom and when he sat down with Charlie Kirk and then he sat down with Ben Shapiro and then the billionaire tax thing, these things. Like, I thought, okay, this guy's good looking. He's. I thought, in my mind, progressive. And then you just see him committing suicide as a candidate. And it's like. And it's not fun to beat up on Democrats. But the corporate Democratic position has fed this whole vacuum of fascism, in my opinion.

B (41:16)

Yes, it's the road for it.

A (41:18)

It. I wish that Anna or Anna and Jank would. The argument needs to be from our side. When people start talking about trans people, whether it's Bill Maher or any of them, is. Why are you so obsessed with this? You mentioned it's five athletes, maybe 10 total. Why are you constantly thinking about people's genitalia? What is all that about? That's a really weird thought to have for such a minority of the population, don't you think?

B (41:46)

Absolutely. And this is the give a mouse a cookie strategy. It's like, well, if we just seed ground on this one little cookie, they probably won't go after everything. They're going after everything. Are you kidding me? I mean, they went after Mike Pence, Abs.

A (42:00)

Well, they went after Mike Pence. Like, that's what I try to tell everybody. Like, nobody's safe in this. Mike Pence who had a pet rabbit who calls his wife mother. Did you know he had a pet rabbit when he moved in the vice president's house? I think about that all the time. Isn't that weird?

B (42:16)

So fitting.

A (42:17)

Yeah.

B (42:17)

He has the energy of a pet rabbit. And so he must see himself like, there's nothing in you, little one, you know, except who knows what he does with that pet rabbit, you know, when mother's not looking. But, yeah, I mean, I think that is the problem is that there's this fallacy of meeting the right in the middle. And the reality is, is that this country has been pulled far, far, far to the right, through the courts, through all of our electeds, through the culture wars, and. And giving them one thing and saying, okay, no, you're right. Trans people probably shouldn't be in locker rooms. That again, is this permission structure to have a what? A presidential decree. What are they called? An executive order. Saying there are only two genders.

A (43:03)

Like, they just want to do genital checks. That's what the whole thing is leading towards is you've got a bunch of Mike Johnsons and little creeps like Stephen Miller who are dying to do genital checks. It's the weirdest on the plane. But let me ask you this. So as you and I are both in this space, like, is it right or wrong to have those people on? Like, when I had either of them on, I never ceded any of my ground. But I also probably was a little bit lazy that I didn't research what all the beef was on the Internet at the time.

B (43:33)

But let me tell you what I'm

A (43:34)

kind of flirting with really quick.

B (43:35)

Yeah, please.

A (43:36)

I kind of want to have Marjorie Taylor Greene on. Is that a good idea or a bad idea?

B (43:40)

Yes, yes. Because here's the thing. Cenk loves Marjorie Taylor Greene, but he has her on their show to glaze her up and down and to basically, like, show leftists. Look, this is the person that you don't want me to make friends with. And look at her. She's so good on being anti war and she's calling out Donald Trump, but someone actually needs to call her out. I want to ask her everything else she's done.

A (44:05)

That's what I want to do. I want to say, okay, you've evolved on these issues. Awesome. It's incredible, right? So proud of you, Marge. Like, seriously, that's baby steps. Why do you care about Palestinian children, but you don't care about immigrant children in the United States? How do you morally do that? Why do you care about potential gay or trans Palestinians that Israel bombs with impunity, but you don't care about the ones here? I want to dive into all of that with her because the problem for me is the cherry picking of human rights and quantifying which rights are the most important. And I see that Marge has evolved on a couple of issues. I'm also not the person to pile on a lot of flattery for having Captain Obvious style observations. You know, it's like, everybody's like, oh, my God, Liz Cheney is such a patriot. She saw that Donald Trump stormed the Capitol. We're not. Why are. Y' all are the, like, Personal Accountability Party, and you hate participation trophies, so why are y' all fucking handing them out all the time?

B (45:09)

No, I mean, that's the thing also with, you know, look, Gaza and Israel, Palestine, I know in this country, it feels so entrenched, but for the left to, like, give someone a cookie because they can adequately say it's wrong to starve and kill babies or, like, pull the generators for incubators in Gaza or bomb the last cancer hospital for children, you know, that doesn't really take that much moral backbone. Right. It's. It's really obvious. And it is popular on the right now. So I think people can have it both ways. But if.

A (45:43)

Marjorie, do you think I should invite Marge on? Do you think I should invite her on?

B (45:46)

You have her on, because we know you, Jen. We've seen what you do. And yes, I would have liked a little bit more pushback on maybe Anna or Cenk. But you did ask Anna. You did do the research and say, hey, why do you like to go on Tucker constantly? And don't you think he's a little anti Semitic? And she gave the most hilarious answer, which was, I don't think he is. Almost like she knew it was in his heart and then used as an excuse the fact that he used to be a Zionist, which, if we've learned anything politically, is that Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing. And you can be anti Zionist and not be an anti Semite. And you can be thinking, lindsey Graham

A (46:25)

is the biggest Zionist we know.

B (46:27)

Yes, yes. And Mike Huckabee. And that's because they want the Jews to perish in, you know, fiery damnation. Right?

A (46:36)

So.

B (46:36)

And that's why all the, you know, Christian evangelicals are doing their little tiktoks, excited that, like, the second coming is all we have to do is obliterate Iran.

A (46:43)

They are. Are they doing rapture tiktoks?

B (46:45)

Oh, there's rapture tiktoks. Oh, God.

A (46:48)

Oh, my God. Francesca. When I was in eighth grade, I lived in Moore, Oklahoma, suburb of Oklahoma City, and I was a Brink Bobcat cheerleader. Okay. Go Bobcats. That's the clock. Go Bobcats. And so all of my friends were just total Bible thumpers, right? Because it's suburbs in the Bible Belt. And so they were all saying we were going to a football game. We were playing, like, our rival. And they're like, yeah, the rapture's coming tonight. Nostradamus called it. So one girl's like, I'm going to be doing a toe touch, and then all of a sudden, my pom poms and my cheer uniform will drop to the ground, and then I'm going to be up with heaven. So I go to my mother, who's like this total closet atheist. She fucking hates religion. She sees it as, like, a mental weakness, right? And can't really argue with her. So I'm like, mom, everybody thinks the Raptors come. She's like, oh, for God's sakes, people are ridiculous. Jennifer, you're going to go to the football game, you're going to cheer. Everybody's going to go home. There's no rapture.

B (47:46)

You're like, is my. Is my outfit going to drop to the ground? Because I don't know what underwear to wear in my undies, too.

A (47:52)

So then it doesn't happen, right? And then the next day at school, I'm like, so, like. Like, you know, kind of like poking around, like, so, you know, it looks like Jesus didn't come for you. And they're all like, they immediately. It's incredible. It's like how MAGA does with Trump. Like, oh, we're against neocon policies, we're against Iran. And then now they're like, totally for it. This is so familiar to me because these are all of the people I grew up around. Like, they just switch. Well, oh, Nostradamus also said, blah, blah, blah. And they had just immediately spun it. There was not even any disappointment.

B (48:22)

There was a little asterisk next to what Noah said, and it's because we weren't wearing the right color. It was supposed to be an away game, not a home game. So once we do the away game. Well, that, I think was very enlightening when you came on my show to say, you know, I think as someone who didn't grow up around a lot of, you know, well, in the Bible Belt and a lot of religious right wingers. Yeah, I grew up around some, but I mostly, like, went to, like, I went to the little Jesus, you know, like, Bible study, only to, like, flirt with the guys. I was like, isn't that we're all doing.

A (48:55)

Was it the. Not the Bible study you went to? Was it the Republican Jesus or the brown Jesus.

B (49:01)

I wish he was brown. No, it was. It was very much a white. It was like. It was just like the youth group. It was like, youth group. And you're like. I was like, oh, I'm here to flirt with all this.

A (49:10)

In.

B (49:10)

This was in California. So it wasn't, you know.

A (49:12)

Oh, it wasn't as bad. Like our Jesus in Oklahoma. This guy, I mean, he is a capitalist. He's hot. Capitalist extraordinaire. Aryan looking. Really, really loves wealth. Accumulation of wealth.

B (49:27)

Wait, this is the Jesus or the, like the youth pastor?

A (49:30)

No, the Jesus that they worship in the Bible belt.

B (49:34)

He really loves money. Oh, is he really into money?

A (49:37)

Very, very, very into money. Very into distributing it only to the very, very, very top 1% blessed people. The megachurch pastor.

B (49:48)

Prosperity gospel. So you grew up in like prosperity gospel Jesus.

A (49:52)

I didn't. Now, my mother banned. Yes, 100%. I didn't. My mother banned me from going to church. But Francesca, I desperately wanted to fit in with my peers. So oftentimes I said, mom, I'm going to spend the night with Britney or I'm going to spend the night with Tiffany. She'd be like, don't go to their church tomorrow. I won't. And I went every single time. And it's. And it's all the, like, the preachers, they're just like Donald Trump, identical. They have like the hair, the tan, the white teeth. Grifters.

B (50:19)

Tiffany's got like, you know, a little like Fendi bag or whatever we're wearing. And it's like, jesus got me this. Jesus. It's. Cause we come to church. You're like, mom, I think we need to start going to church. Cause I'd really like a handbag.

A (50:35)

Yeah, no, but every. Every time I would go, the pastors were so insane. It was a preaching about hellfire, damnation, Satan, demons. People would be talking in tongues. I would always go home and I'd be like, my mom's right. These people are fucking crazy.

B (50:51)

Oh, that's so unattractive. See, our. Our Jesus camp was much more like, there's rock and roll, boys and girls get to talk to each other. And Jesus is all about love. And it was like, love, we love everyone. And like, I remember having this sort of like Salem witch trial moment where you're like, oh, my God, Jesus, I love him. And then you go on like the one trip. And for me it was the ski trip. Go on the ski trip and we get there and it's like, all fine. It's the same Thing. But then they do the, like, if you've accepted Jesus Christ into your heart, you can stay in the tent. And if you haven't, you need to leave. And. And, like, this is after, like, little Jimmy Hopkins, you know, was nine years old and he got into a car crash and he died. But he made his pact with God. He made his pact with God and he went to heaven. So you need to make. And it was like. And all of a sudden. And then there was a little bit of homophobia. And so as like a, I guess a seventh, eighth grader, I was like, oh, I don't like that. Like, it started to dawn on me that there was a lot of hate I had to accept into my heart. A lot of, like, if unless you've converted, you're gonna go to hell. And I was like, oh, see, I just wanted to flirt with the hot guys named Micah.

A (52:04)

So Kylie, the producer of our show, she went mega. Grew up in mega church culture, went to all the youth stuff. She's lesbian now, but at the time she was a lesbian. She just wasn't quite for. For Queen for Lesbians. Yeah, I agree. So she said that she would go to the mega church and it was like, you know, the lights, the rock band, and she like, God, I can feel. God, I can feel it. Like, I love Jesus, big guy. And then she goes to college and she goes to a concert and she goes, oh, I just like music. Like, oh, the Holy Spirit. I just really like music. And this music is a ton better than that trashy Christian rock at the megachurch perfectly encapsulates what they try to do.

B (52:55)

It's also community. Like, I mean, we're in this moment, right, where, like, everyone, you know, people blame smartphone, phones and. Yeah, I guess, and the Internet. But, like, it's true that, like, providing a space for young kids to hang out with, it is, like, their parents feel pretty good about. That isn't necessarily a concert where there's going to be whatever beer, weed, whatever it is. It's like, that's pretty rare. The fact that it has to come with, you know, hellfire and damnation and homophobia and all kinds of insanity and

A (53:22)

the abstinence only is crazy.

B (53:25)

Yeah.

A (53:26)

Oh, yeah, the abstinence. I think that's one of the more damaging things that religion teaches people because so many people have so much sexual shame and then they don't know what consent means. They don't know how to not get pregnant. They don't know how to not give each other crabs or they marry the

B (53:41)

first person they fall in love with who, like, never made them come. It's very, very dark.

A (53:45)

Yeah. Some gyrator jackrabbit. They never have good sex ever, their whole life.

B (53:50)

Yeah.

A (53:50)

That's terrible. Okay, let's go through more of your grievances. Okay. Please, Rude requests.

B (53:57)

Oh, oh, you want to get. Oh, oh, these are all my grievances.

A (54:00)

Yeah, I want to. This is your therapy, Francesca. Which, by the way, my younger son, Roman, I really wanted him to be a girl, and I was going to name him Francesca and call him Francie. Oh, isn't that cute?

B (54:13)

Francie whenever you want. I love a good nickname. I'm not a big fan of Fran. It's the one thing that could see.

A (54:17)

I like Francie.

B (54:19)

I've already. I've had it with Fran. Franciel do rude requests. And I feel like we're in a time of people in your DMs, people, you know, on Twitter or on Instagram trying to hit you up for things, texting you. And I just feel like lately I've been getting a lot of, like, have me on your podcast, do this thing, you know, go to this event or, like, be part of this thing or you should boycott this. Why are you doing that? There's a lot of like, like random, I think, emails and DMs. People want something of you. People want you to not do something. People want to scold you. And I'm fine with being asked for things. Love it. I need zhuzh, I need foreplay. I need a little bit of. Hi, Francesca. Oh, you know, tell me where you know me from. I'm not just from the Internet. Where have you seen me on. I know I've been on like a bazillion shows. You know, I've watched the Situation Room and I was wondering maybe, like, come on. I don't use AI. This is another thing I'm bitching about. I listened to a recent an episode of yours and I know that you.

A (55:21)

I know my kids are so mad at me for. I'm telling you, Francesca, I really, I think it's a Gen Xer thing. I really kind of like AI. I got off of chat GPT.

B (55:31)

I heard that.

A (55:32)

And then I, I, I, I now in a relationship with Claude. And I, I'm not like, by the way, love Claude.

B (55:40)

Like, I love the name Claude Anthropic.

A (55:43)

And so I thought they were good because they took on the Trump administration, but now I think just heard that Anthropic could have been the software they used in the Tomahawk strike on the school. So now I think I'm going to be a lover of AI that's single shopping for a new relationship. And listen, you're going to go to Gro.

B (56:02)

What? No. You're gonna.

A (56:03)

No, I will not go to Virtual is a Nazi. He is. He calls himself Maka Hitler or something like this.

B (56:10)

Mecca. It's Mecca.

A (56:11)

Mecca.

B (56:12)

Wow. How dare you? No. Okay, but. But, Jen, why do you need it? Because this is my thing. I feel like while I want a little bit of zhuzh, and part of me is like, just use AI to write this very nice email, but also take two seconds. Just give me. And I write short texts. I am not a prolific texter. I write short to the point. I'm very curt, but at least I can be like, thank you, you're so great. Or this was lovely. Or like, we'd love to have you, or da, da, da, da, da. And if you'd be willing or get on the phone with me, whatever it is. I just really hate. And I think men do it a lot where they're like, either they just feel entitled. Be like, have me on your podcast. You should do this thing. Why don't you do that? And you're like, I. I just hate rude requests right now.

A (56:54)

I think it's as you get, your public Persona gets bigger. People want a lot from you.

B (57:00)

Yeah.

A (57:01)

So here's what I've done. I've turned off DMs. So, like, if we follow each other, we can DM each other, but I can't get. Just get new random DMs. A part of that had to do with the fact that Fox and Friends, the Five, likes to do hit pieces on me. And when that happens, I'll open up my DMs. And it's these people. It's like, I hope that you get anally raped with a baseball bat and then die you like one after another. So I'm just like, you know what? I really don't think this is healthy. I think this is a very unhealthy.

B (57:30)

Why is Fox and Friends so triggered by you? Is it because you've got cut arms like all of their other hosts?

A (57:35)

And you can like, now listen, my arms are way better than the other host, Francesca.

B (57:41)

Oh, my God. Oh, she had to go full screen.

A (57:43)

51 years old. There's not, not a thing here. I work hard for these arms.

B (57:48)

I am. I need the regimen because. And I think it has to do with not eating so much crap, which I am upset about.

A (57:57)

I really like gummy bears and ice cream and stuff like that. I just don't eat late. Like I don't eat past 6pm Ooh o. But I want to, I want to tell you something. I want to tell you something about this AI because I know, I know I'm wrong. So I'm getting defensive here. So I just want to explain.

B (58:12)

Tell me what I use it for, please.

A (58:14)

Okay, I'll tell you what I use it for. So writing emails, all of that. I do my own. I'm old school that way. What I use what I used AI for yesterday was that my dog Tubby, who I'm in a 10 year monogamous relationship with with the exception of his sister Cha Cha. We're in love. And he recently started having seizures and so he, he's mri. I thought he had brain cancer. They cleared it, blah blah blah. So he's been on this medication and he was seizure free and then he had three seizures in a 24 hour period. And I'm not a hypochondriac by nature. I call the vet hospital that did the MRI and they're just very casual like, okay, just double his medication now. That wasn't good enough for me. And so he has chronic dry eye as well. And I promise you guys, my husband is the hypochondriac. I am not. I do not have Munchausen by proxy with my dogs. Okay, I just want to get that out there right now.

B (59:07)

I've heard you say that.

A (59:09)

So here is his eye drop medication and it's sitting by my computer right here because I thought, oh, he was getting more eye boogers frequently. So I started the steroidal ointment again for to treat his chronic dry eye and then the seizures happen. So I get into Claude, I'm like, hey Claude, let me run some stuff by you. It's like, you know, they're so sycophantic, they're like, sure, yeah, let's go. And I'm like, you know Tabby? And like he's of course Tubby. We go through.

B (59:34)

Your arms look great today.

A (59:38)

So we go through. Basically, Claude tells me he 100% thinks there's a link between the eye drops and the seizures. I call the neurologist at the hospital and she 100% tells me AI is wrong and I need to get off of it.

B (59:50)

Okay, but did you, okay, then what happened? Did you stop the eye medication?

A (59:57)

I know she said to continue the eye medication, but I'm not test cuz

B (60:02)

Claude said there was a Link. Well, okay, so this story is not complete yet because we haven't tested Claude's theory.

A (60:09)

I know, I know. I. But I will say mine is mild AI use. My husband is his AI use is insane. And our sons, our sons are like 23 and 19 and they're like, AI is trash. You guys shouldn't use it.

B (60:26)

We're like, we love it. I love the, the. The Gen Z are the ones who are like, use your brain. A mom, dad. So I think Gen Xers and Gen Z, especially male Gen Xers, I don't know what it is. They are definitely wedded. They love it. But every time I hear people like my dad, my stepfather also is like, I use, you know, AI, but specifically for medic medication to figure out what meds you can use and what meds you can't use together, which feels really dangerous. But also like. Like someone's giving him that information, just like you're getting that information for. For tubs, chub. Tubs, tubs. And here's the thing, though. Isn't this a little bit of a symptom of not having better health care, whether veterinary care or real health care? So it's like we're turning to these AI bots to tell us whether or not we can mix meds. That's so dangerous.

A (61:21)

It's so bad. Especially when we watch these commercials where it's like, side effects will be diarrhea, you know, vomiting, rectal bleeding, crabs, all this. And you're just like, this is on our television. Like, it's insane. It's. You're 100% right. Okay.

B (61:38)

And then I love that all the. I bet my favorite thing about AI is them putting in really bad adverbs. Like, it's always like a lively discussion. And you're like, nobody, nobody says that, you know?

A (61:51)

Right.

C (61:53)

Just like.

B (61:55)

Yeah, I don't know why lively just is the word to be that they always use. Get off of it. Because the amount of water it's using is so bad.

A (62:04)

See, and that's the. Too. You're 100% correct on that. And then I think, okay, Gen X, my generation, we are such twats. I think that like the. The Gen X voted for Trump, like a major impact. We're a huge problem. And then the AI, and we're the biggest users of AI, and then I want to be this huge progressive. And then I have this secret relationship with Claude. It's just total hypocrisy. I'm going to try to be better, but I feel I'm Going to work on this. It is breathtaking hypocrisy, but I'm telling you, there's something enticing about, like, sometimes when I'm really trying to get to the bottom of stuff, I'm like, come on, Claude, let's go. But if Claude's bombing shit, I can't have that either.

B (62:46)

No, Claude will bomb shit. I mean, AI is all directed towards that. I once got IT support for, you know, an Apple product. And I love. I actually really like Apple support. I like their calls that I have with them. I've had really good experiences with real people. This is my first time with AI. They had me do something that completely, like, bricked my computer. It was an old computer, but it bricked it. It was like, boo. It did not do anything. They. I was just using it for. This is a lot, but I was just using it for a monitor. So I was able to sort of still use it, but they bricked the actual hard drive. And so I actually asked, like, AI, I was like, okay, so if you ruin my computer or my phone or whatever, is there any recourse? Will Apple cover this for free? Like, will I, a genius, be able to help me in the genius part? They're like, no. No. So there's really no choice. There's no recourse if they actually give you the wrong advice.

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B (68:17)

Okay.

A (68:17)

Our world famous game. Had it or hit it. Oh, my God. Welcome to had it or hit it. I would hit it. Had it. Had it. I hit it every day, sometimes twice a day. Had it or hit it. Operation Epic Fury.

B (68:37)

I mean, I like consensual sex, so absolutely. Had it. Had it. I can't believe we're still. We're here. I got involved in anti war organizing and social justice organizing and this work and world in general when I was 18, protesting the war in Iraq and the idea that I am now 40 and I have a kid and we are now invading another Middle east country this time again, speaking of AI, this is like the AI generated Bush administration.

A (69:12)

No shit.

B (69:13)

I mean, yeah, they just got fed Rambo and Top Gun and they're just going with it on a country of 90 million people. There's no just, there's no words. There's no words. Jen. They hit another school just today.

A (69:27)

Oh, God. That seems to be a feature of Israeli aggression and not a bug, the hitting of schools and hospitals. Okay, two follow up questions to this. The first one is EF Operation Epic Fury, the EF Epstein files. Do you think that is intentional?

B (69:47)

I know absolutely not. And now I was wondering what like, I was like initials E.F. e. F. And people were pointing it out and so the fact that you're spelling it out and I'm like, oh, Epstein file. You see the way that I guess the Google searches for Epstein files are going down, but we just got another page of, you know, this 14 year old who was assaulted by Trump who was hit. I just like we have child rapists in charge of our government. He's a child rapist. Sorry.

A (70:20)

Yeah. And then all of these women that use their gender to gender wash fascism, roll out with their Christian nationalist crosses and ride the shoulders of all of these feminists and suffragettes and then use their gender to signal, oh, it's fine, a woman's in charge of this. And then they Christian signal to all of the Trump supporters. It's so morally depraved. But I want to ask you one thing.

B (70:44)

Caroline Levitz, her fillers are getting as big as her cross. If you notice, her cross gets bigger, her lips get bigger. It just take over her whole face.

A (70:53)

You brought up George W. Bush and that was a time period when my kids were really young and my husband and I Would watch Jon Stewart every night like we're in the Bible Belt surrounded by Republicans. And we would just like we, we were so angry with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, who's throw insert herself. Oh yeah, she's such a warhawk. But George W. Bush incubated maga.

B (71:17)

Yeah, like it.

A (71:18)

MAGA didn't just come out of nowhere. So my thing that I talk to my listeners about all the time is what is MAGA incubating? Oh, because we need to be prepared for that. Because Donald Trump, I like to call him dementia duck. He has dementia and he's a lame guy duck, right? Yes. And so when you look forward to the demise, this movement started before maga and it will go long after maga and you think about Fuentes, Carlson, all of these people.

B (71:47)

So you know, I think it was the college Republicans just appointed basically a groiper to head them up, which because of their leaked text, we know they all are groipers. And there was some admission that it seemed like know 30 to 50% if not more of college Republicans are white nationalists. They love Nick Fuentes. And now one of them, I believe, who debated Mari Hassan on that Jubilee show, who is like, yes, I'm a fascist. I'm openly. So he's now the head of them. So they are leaning in to the groiper white nationalist label. They're not running from it. And to me, and this is where I think why I love your show, why I love your voice, is that Bush incubating Trump, that doesn't happen without an opposition party. That doesn't exist because Bush was dead. Bush ruined the Republican name, ruined the Republican label. The Republican Party was completely on their asses. And then Trump comes along and what does he say? He says, well, I don't agree with the war in Iraq. I think that was wrong. I think that was stupid. And he pretends to be anti war when it really is, is isolationism, you know, and also I'm just mad that I didn't get the oil and I think we should have taken more oil. I'm mad my name wasn't on the Halliburton contracts and Dick Cheney's was. But he gets all of this play for being, you know, rightfully tapping into the anti war sentiment. And guess what? Barack Obama also tapped into the anti war sentiment. It gave him the edge over Hillary Clinton. So then eight years later, right, to run or not eight years, but to run Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump, yes, eight years later is such a bad idea. It is the Worst idea to run a war hawk, who is Hillary Clinton against a guy who is at least pantomiming that he understands where the American people are at. After eight years and $3 trillion of a war, two plus wars that, you know, they lost their loved ones over, they have PTSD over that. They lost their, you know, so much money and blood and treasure went to got us absolutely nothing. And the Taliban are back in Afghanistan, for one. So that, I think, is a fundamental flaw of the Democratic Party. They have allowed Trump to be incubated, right? They've allowed him to steamroll, and so did the media. Jake Tapper was the first one. I was covering it in 2016, the first guy who you've got the Republican debate stage. Jake Tapper's up there and go, like, asks all the Republican nominees, so what do we do about immigration? Donald Trump wants to build the wall. What do you think about the wall? I'm sorry, wait, wait.

C (74:30)

What?

B (74:31)

Why, when one of the candidates puts out the most outlandish idea possible, building a wall, right? Why do you suddenly, as the media, move the goalpost, basically, to that point of like, hey, why not a wall? You had Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio. I mean, they're awful and evil and little cucks.

A (74:53)

Don't forget low energy. Jeb.

B (74:55)

Oh, loaner Jeb again. The name was dead. But they were all like, we believe in the Gang of Eight, a pathway to citizenship. They were working on it. And all of a sudden, because the media gave Trump so much play, so much shine, we were talking about a wall because it was good for clicks, it was good for, you know, ratings. As the head of CBS said at the time, you know, les Mo, right? Bad for America, good for cbs. So this, I think it's both the media and the Democratic Party that have failed us, that have incubated this fucking moment that we're in. And yes, of course, in addition to Republicans, but they're gonna do what they're gonna do. Trump said he's like, no one could get away with the shit I'm getting away with. He swore on national television yesterday. And it's like, yeah, man.

A (75:40)

Oh, yeah, you're right.

B (75:42)

You know, often you are an evil prick. You're gonna keep doing what you're doing. It's everyone else's job to stay, stop you.

A (75:47)

Often times, historically, we know that liberals will collaborate with fascists to uphold a corrupt economic system. And so that's what you see with what Jake Tapper did. That's what you see with Hakeem Jeffries and Tucker Carlson and other corporate Dems. That's what you see in the people who always had donated to Democrats before that are now, you know, maga thumpers. Because liberals will collaborate with fascists. It always happens, historically. Okay, all right, let's go. Lightning round. Had it or hit it? Kristi Noem. Ugh.

B (76:22)

Hit it. She's free. Let's go. Obviously, I've had it. Here's what I will say with Kristi Noem. Everyone else is doing crimes and corrupt and corruption from, you know, their positions of power. Cash Patel downing beers with the U.S. men's hockey team, flying him and his girlfriend all over the place. Why does Christy get. Get, you know, the boot? Okay, I call sexism. I call sexism.

A (76:45)

I like it. I like it. Because let's not kid ourselves. It doesn't matter if it's Senator Booster Box, Mark Wayne Mullen, or Christy Nome at dhs. Neither one of those people are running it. Little pip squeak. Stephen Miller runs dhs, and everybody knows it. All right, moving on. Had it or hit it. Poly Market had it.

B (77:04)

Absolutely awful.

A (77:05)

Do you see? They were, like, predicting nukes or something. It's so dystopian.

B (77:09)

No. And anyone. Guys, if you guys follow or, you know, you. I saw someone who I, like, thought I respected, and then they're on subset going like, I love my interview with Polymarket. I'm like, nope, unsubscribe. Done. So anyone trying to whitewash them? And by the way, not to bring it back to Jake and anna, but all 2024 run up. They got Poly Market money. They renamed a studio that the people of Tyt, the viewers crowdfunded for them. They renamed it the Polymarket Studios, the entirety of 2024. And yes, polymarket was helped, you know, funded by Peter Thiel. And, you know, it. It really dovetailed with some of their coverage moving.

A (77:46)

This is the collaboration. Liberals collaborating with fascists. That's exactly what that is. That's exactly what historians talk about. We, you know, we get requests to do commercials. And I think it was like, I can't remember what it is. I don't want to throw the company under the bus, but it was a gambling thing, right? And I. And this years ago, and I rejected it. And I was just like, now I'd feel like a hypocrite. My husband's in recovery. I don't want to do anything that facilitates, like, people getting addicted to, whether it be card games, alcohol, drugs, whatever. So we. There's like wine clubs and stuff, but I even reject those I support people drinking. I do. There's just certain things when it comes to advertisers that you have to have some moral clarity about. Okay, had it or hit it. A billionaire tax.

B (78:32)

Hit it. Oh, yeah. Hit it. Absolutely. There's 85 billionaires in California. We're trying to pass this billionaire tax. 85 of them. It really? And the argument, I think, especially from unions, nurses and hospital workers, is that the big beautiful bill, the big fugly bill, as I call it, is coming for all these blue states especially, and they're gonna. The Medicaid and Medicare systems are gonna. And the hospitals are gonna get destroyed. So we need a billionaire tax in order to shore up all of the things that are coming down the way. It's not even. I wish it were for universal health care in the state, which Gavin Newsom campaigned on and has since walked away from. But I digress.

A (79:16)

No, I completely agree. And I also think important Democratic messaging right now, they need to be simple about things. We cannot afford billionaires.

B (79:25)

Nope.

A (79:25)

We simply are. We cannot afford them. They use up all of our infrastructure. Think about the infrastructure that Jeff Bezos used, uses for free that we pay for. I think about how much we subsidize Walmart. We simply cannot afford these people's lifestyle because their lifestyles mean that we have to subsidize them. Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, all of them. Okay, last one. It's a tricky one.

B (79:49)

Okay.

A (79:50)

Had it or hit it. The United States of America.

B (79:55)

Well, don't get me started on where I want to move. And I know, you know, people are leaving. And there is a point of privilege in that. I've got Italian citizenship. I think I can get Canadian citizenship through my husband's mom. There's a whole series of exit plans. You know why I hit the US of A? Is cause we can't go down like this. We cannot surrender to these. These unfuckable dorks. These unfuckable Nazi dorks cannot have this country. I'm sorry. There's too many good people here. We deserve so much better. We have a beautiful history. If we choose to look at it from things like the labor movement in the 30s that gave the world the eight hour work day, the 40 Hour Work Week. May 1st is something the world celebrates, except for the US even though it started here. Here we've got the civil rights movement, we've got, you know, I mean, come on, like, we've got salty and sweet things together. Nobody does chicken and waffles except the US of A. And I. I hit it. Even though it gets hard, harder and harder and harder.

A (81:08)

I agree. And listener, I just think it's so important that when you feel sometimes unpatriotic or you feel like you're angry at the United States, it's normal. It's normal, not normal to just sit and love people that are sociopaths. That's codependency and self defeating. And so, Francesca, I thank you so much for coming on our podcast to my listeners that felt like we were out of touch with Internet beef and didn't do enough research. You were right. We did not. And I apologize to you for that. We're learning and we're trying to be better. And I. I concur with everything Franchesca has to say about the duplicity in the aforementioned guests. And I still think you should have guests like that on. I think I probably should have been armed with a little bit more questions. But I thank you for enlightening me. I oftentimes text Emma Viland, who introduced us, like, hey, what's going on with this? Because again, the Gen X are. But you know what? I could ask Claude, you don't.

B (82:10)

You need. You can be above. You can. Oh, my God, absolutely. Claude. Claude, why did TYT fall off?

A (82:16)

And it's not just, why does everybody hate Anna and Cenk?

B (82:21)

I think it is problematic. Just lastly, The Queer and PoC contributors to TYT have all left, by and large, and I think that's a huge red flag. I hate talking about beef, but I thank you for giving me. I didn't want to. I was like, I shouldn't. And then I was like, wait a minute. But I kind of want to bitch about Centrist. This will be perfect. Perfect.

A (82:41)

Or I've said, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to drag you into it. I like to be. I kind of talked to her when she came on like, hey, you apologize for being a fascist recently. I mean, for being a fascist apologist. What's up with that? And so I am trying to be a little bit more hip and into this stuff. I don't think your attacks, and they weren't even attacks. I don't think your statements were personal to them as much as they were. These are the moral duplicity issues that the public at large that wants to be an opposition party has. And I think those are important things to have, because in these spaces, people, especially with how abusive the government is, they rely on us to, like, feel centered and feel normal. And then when you find out your guy or your gal is a hypocrite on something. It's pretty devastating.

B (83:26)

It is. And, and look, the invitation's always open for Anna to come on my show. I've invited her to talk to me. I've had Jank on to debate. I think the reason they wanted to go on yours and kudos because they don't often go on left leaning shows shows. So that was a big of them. They usually go on, you know Bill Maher and you know Tim Pool or whomever else will have them on. It's because you guys have a massive platform and so they wanted some of that shine. They want some of your audience. But I guess your audience already knew

A (83:55)

what was hated them. We got ripped. I'm sure that I probably. I mean I don't read the comments often, but I did. Kylie was like, hey, you might want to go read these. And I was. Was like, oh my God, they're so mad at us. They are very. We already had you booked at the time. And they're like, have Francesca on. And I was like, it's already in the works so I thought I'd ask you about it. And I thank you so much and I look forward to future collaborating. The one thing I will say about our side, the progressive left, independent media space and listener. You all really like this. It's very collaborative and everybody's very supportive of each other from you know, Majority Report to Hasan Piker to Austin show to Don Lemon, yes to Joy Reid. Everybody is very helpful and collaborative because we all really want to fight this

B (84:43)

regime and I think we should have honest conversations and just. And if we have it out, I love shades of blue discussion. The problem is we don't have a lot of like good spaces to even have those discussions. But I think we should have more of them. You know, I don't want to shy away from that.

A (85:00)

I agree. Francesca, thank you so much. I look forward. I want to have you on frequently. And thanks for having pumps in me on the Bituation Room. Listener. Go follow Francesca. Her podcast is called the bituation room on YouTube obviously, darling. Cute as a button, sharp as attack. All of the things. Thanks again, Francesca.

B (85:22)

No, thank you.

A (85:23)

All right, bye bye. All right, listener, that's all we have. I hope that that settles. I'm sure some of you will probably always be mad at us for having Anna and Cenk on. The next time I have somebody like that on, I promise to be more comprehensive in my research. We crank out so much content with ihip news. I try to be fluent in the news and I'm not as fluent in these types of things and I can do better. So I hope you enjoyed Francesca and Poppy Thompson. I will be back next Tuesday and Thursday. I'll tell you what I've had it with.

B (86:03)

Let's hear it.

A (86:05)

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C (86:27)

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A (86:34)

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