Podcast Episode Summary
Podcast: Jack Hibbs Podcast
Episode Title: Putting Children First: A Case For Natural Marriage and Family
Host: Jack Hibbs
Guest: Katy Faust, Founder of Them Before Us
Release Date: November 6, 2025
Episode Overview
This episode features a compelling discussion between Jack Hibbs and Katy Faust, the founder of Them Before Us, a global movement advocating for the rights of children in discussions about marriage, family structure, and reproductive technology. The central theme is making the moral, social, and biblical case for prioritizing children’s needs—especially their right to both a mother and a father—over adult desires. Katy shares her personal background, insights from her extensive advocacy work, and a passionate argument for reinvigorating the defense of the natural family.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Katy Faust’s Background and Motivation
- Lifelong Exposure to Alternate Family Structures: Katy shares her experience growing up after her parents’ divorce, her mother’s long-term same-sex relationship, and her connection to both biological parents.
- "My parents were married until I was 10...my mom re-partnered with a woman. So they've been together for 40 years." (07:15–07:56)
- Professional and Personal Experience: Katy majored in Asian Studies, lived in Taiwan, worked at a Chinese adoption agency, adopted a child from China, and has always been immersed in child-focused ministries (youth, adoption, etc.).
- "I worked at a Chinese adoption agency. So I had, like, 10 years of Chinese..." (03:12–04:15)
2. From Anonymous Blogger to Child-First Activist
- Initial Frustration: Katy’s activism began as an emotional response to the normalization of mother- or father-loss in the name of adult desires, particularly around the gay marriage debate.
- "I was so angry...what I saw in the marriage debate was two things. Number one, normalizing mother and father loss. ...Number two, the emotional intimidation campaign after Obama evolved on marriage." (05:07–06:46)
- Blogging with Purpose:
- Started anonymously as "Ask the Bigot" to discuss both biblical and sociological arguments for natural marriage:
- "If you think that only bigotry could motivate somebody to oppose gay marriage, then here I am." (10:09–10:15)
- Started anonymously as "Ask the Bigot" to discuss both biblical and sociological arguments for natural marriage:
- Doxxing Incident:
- Outed by a major blogger who doxxed her church, causing turmoil but galvanizing her resolve and leading to wider advocacy.
- “He doxxed the members of my church to get me to stop..." (11:01–13:13)
- Notably, her church elders encouraged her to go "really big" rather than quit. (13:14–13:25)
- Outed by a major blogger who doxxed her church, causing turmoil but galvanizing her resolve and leading to wider advocacy.
3. The Core Message: Prioritizing Children’s Rights
- The Mission of 'Them Before Us':
- Focused on prioritizing a child’s right to both a mother and father ahead of adult preferences or desires.
- Mother/Father Hunger:
- Katy describes the unique, natural longing children have for both a maternal and paternal presence:
- “You don't have to turn on your parents...But you do get to recognize that you were made for your father's love. And if you feel sad that he is not there, it's not you that's wrong. It's the world that's wrong.” (16:47–17:05)
- Katy describes the unique, natural longing children have for both a maternal and paternal presence:
- Reversal of Parent-Child Dynamic:
- In many non-traditional structures, children end up supporting or accommodating adult choices rather than being fully supported as dependents. (15:39–16:46)
4. Expanding Influence and Partnerships
- Global Advocacy:
- Katy serves on boards (such as Jordan Peterson's Alliance for Responsible Citizenship) that influence policy on family across the globe.
- “…the righteous inverse of the World Economic Forum ... I'm so honored and humbled to be one of the people that has had a significant influence..." (17:25–18:21)
- Katy serves on boards (such as Jordan Peterson's Alliance for Responsible Citizenship) that influence policy on family across the globe.
- Challenging 'Big Fertility':
- Her organization is at the forefront critiquing surrogacy, IVF, and related technologies from the child’s perspective.
- “If you Google surrogacy from the child's perspective...we probably are the people that are turned to…” (18:40–19:46)
- Her organization is at the forefront critiquing surrogacy, IVF, and related technologies from the child’s perspective.
- New Efforts to Challenge Obergefell:
- Announcing work to legally challenge same-sex marriage precedent in the U.S. Supreme Court with a broad coalition.
- “We are also spearheading the first challenge to gay marriage in 10 years, meaning we are going to overturn Obergefell.” (19:46–20:38)
- Announcing work to legally challenge same-sex marriage precedent in the U.S. Supreme Court with a broad coalition.
5. Church as a Force for Child Protection
- Equipping Christians:
- Emphasizes equipping believers with facts and arguments to become vocal defenders of children’s rights and the natural family:
- “If people know the facts...they will become vocal about it. ...Let us turn you into people that will stand and create a firewall around children.” (21:30–23:07)
- Emphasizes equipping believers with facts and arguments to become vocal defenders of children’s rights and the natural family:
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
On Personal Credibility:
“Oh, honey, I have been living with lesbians since before you were born. Like, that just doesn't work on me.”
— Katy Faust, addressing accusations of bigotry (09:17)
On the Parent-Child Relationship:
“Children do not just want to be loved in the abstract...They crave maternal love and paternal love.”
— Katy Faust (15:42)
On Societal Impact:
“You cannot legislate away a child’s longing for their mother or father. It arises in nature.”
— Katy Faust (16:46)
On Church’s Responsibility:
“You cannot forsake this institution that creates and nurtures new life. If you forsake that institution, you get child victimization. And child victimization is not an option for the church.”
— Katy Faust (20:53–21:12)
On Future Vision:
“We are going to turn the church into a child centric fighting force.”
— Katy Faust (20:17)
Host’s Reflection:
“It’s so crazy because what you’re saying is so refreshing. I feel as though there are waves going over my heart.”
— Jack Hibbs (20:38)
Timestamps for Major Segments
- [01:25] — Show introduction; guest background
- [04:33] — Katy’s journey into advocacy and anonymous blogging
- [07:15] — Personal family story and upbringing
- [10:09] — Launching “Ask the Bigot” blog
- [11:01] — Doxxing incident and church support
- [13:45] — Launching international advocacy, thembeforeus.com
- [15:39] — Child experience in non-traditional families, mother/father hunger
- [17:25] — Global influence via major organizations (ARC, etc.)
- [19:46] — Legal and advocacy strategies to support child-centric marriage
- [21:30] — How listeners can learn more and get involved
- [23:07] — Final exhortation on the importance of restoring the natural family
Resources & Getting Involved
- Them Before Us Website: thembeforeus.com
- Them Before Us Substack: Subscribe for resources, fact sheets, and stories.
- Katy’s Social/X Handle: @advokaty
Final Thoughts
Jack Hibbs and Katy Faust deliver an urgent, heartfelt case for restoring the family according to biblical and natural law principles. Their discussion offers stories, research, and advocacy strategies aimed at equipping the church and broader society to become bold defenders of children—making a compelling argument that thriving societies depend on putting “them before us.”
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