The Dark History Of Muhammed And Why It Matters

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Episode: The Dark History Of Muhammed And Why It Matters
Host: Jack Hibbs
Date: May 21, 2026
Guests: Bill Federer (Christian historian/author), Zoan (co-host)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Jack Hibbs and his guests, historian Bill Federer and co-host Zoan, delve into the historical roots and ongoing political influence of Islam, focusing on the life and actions of Muhammad. The episode explores how Islam's history and doctrine affect present-day America and the broader West, contrasting Islamic teachings and history with Christianity and emphasizing what the hosts see as a persistent, strategic pattern in Islamic expansion. The conversation also addresses misconceptions about the Crusades, the legacy of Islamic conquest in Europe and Africa, Islamic practices regarding treaties (Hudna), and the theological differences between Islam and Christianity.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Understanding Muhammad’s Life and Its Political Relevance

• Three Phases of Muhammad’s Leadership
  • Religious leader → Political leader → Military leader ([03:19], Bill Federer).
  • “Muhammad is the DNA. And so his life went through three stages...” ([03:19], Bill Federer).
• Early Life and Syncretism
  • Muhammad’s exposure to different faiths and how elements were incorporated into Islam (Manichaeism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, Christianity, Paganism) ([04:30]-[06:43], Bill Federer).
  • Incorporation of apocryphal Christian stories into Islamic theology ([05:00]-[06:43]).
  • “Encyclopedia Britannica says the gospel was made known to Muhammad through apocryphal and heretical sources...” ([05:00], Bill Federer).

2. The Pattern of Islamic Expansion: Immigrate, Increase, Eliminate

• Historical Example: Medina
  • Muhammads migration as an immigrant to Medina and the subsequent elimination of Jewish tribes within 5 years ([00:39], [10:56]-[12:04], Bill Federer).
  • “It’s a three step process. Immigrate, increase, eliminate.” ([12:13], Zoan prompting; [12:16], Bill Federer).
• Contemporary Application
  • Comparison between historical Islamic strategy and current patterns of Islamic immigration and influence in Western societies ([12:21]-[14:58]).

3. Islamic Influence in the Modern West

• Detroit Case Study
  • Early 20th-century Arab immigration to Detroit spurred by Henry Ford ([13:50], Bill Federer).
  • Growth of mosques as territorial and spiritual strongholds—“Any property within sight of the minaret of the mosque belongs to Islam.” ([15:50], Zoan; [16:09], Bill Federer).
• Use of Social Systems
  • Welfare use by Muslim immigrants and strategic population growth ([13:08], Bill Federer & Zoan).

4. The Dual Nature of Jihad: Sword versus Dawah

• Fast Spread: Violence/Jihad
  • Historical use of military force ([13:20], Bill Federer).
• Slow Spread: Dawah (Immigration Jihad)
  • Gradual infiltration through community building and social influence ([13:20], Bill Federer; [13:45], Zoan).

5. Theological Differences: Christianity vs. Islam

• Concept of Submission & Peace
  • Islam means submission; peace achieved only through global Islamic dominance ([17:10], Bill Federer).
• Different Meanings of “Peace”
  • Lincoln quote: “We all declare for liberty, but in using the same word, we do not all mean the same thing.” ([17:26], Bill Federer)
• Salvation & Relationship with God
  • Christianity: Personal relationship, assurance of salvation through Jesus ([44:13]-[44:52], Bill Federer & Zoan).
  • Islam: No personal relationship, salvation not assured—even for Muhammad ([44:47], Bill Federer).

6. Historical Impact: Conquest and Crusades

• Conquest of Christian Worlds
  • Erasure of pre-existing cultures in Arabia, Christian Egypt, Coptic language, Jerusalem, Syria, North Africa, Spain ([21:54]-[24:36]).
  • “Within five years of Muhammad coming into the Jewish city of Medina as an immigrant, there is not a Jew left in the city of Medina.” ([00:39], Bill Federer).
• The Crusades Recontextualized
  • Positioning the Crusades as a defensive response to Islamic aggression ([32:00]-[33:07], Zoan & Bill Federer).
  • “People think the Crusades were just some mean, brutal preemptive strike. It was a response to the Islamic invasion...” ([32:00], Zoan).
• Historic Anniversaries and 9/11
  • September 11th as a day of repeated Christian victories against Muslim forces and its resonance with modern jihadi symbolism ([25:25]-[26:20]).

7. Islamic Law, Society, and Gender

• Sharia (Islamic Law)
  • Definition, significance, and practical impact (halal vs. haram) ([44:52]-[45:56]).
  • Questioning is forbidden; religion of do’s and don’ts ([45:46], [45:56], Bill Federer & Zoan).
• Women in Islam
  • Diminished role and status, negative comparisons to Christianity ([46:27]-[47:18]).
  • “A woman in Islam is an animal…created for our gratification and pleasure. Her testimony—you need two women to produce the testimony equal to one man.” ([46:27], Zoan).

8. Treaties and the Islamic Concept of “Hudna”

• Meaning and Use
  • Treaties only honored when politically expedient; broken when possible ([38:28]-[41:23]).
  • “The Islamic concept of treaty is Hudna. When you’re weak, you make treaties until you get strong enough to disregard them.” ([38:32], Bill Federer).

9. Contrasting Founders: Jesus vs. Muhammad (Key Quotes)

• On Violence:
  • “Jesus never killed anybody. Muhammad killed an estimated 3,000 people.” ([43:11], Bill Federer)
• On Slavery:
  • “Jesus never owned slaves. Muhammad owned slaves.” ([43:11], Bill Federer)
• On Truthfulness:
  • “Jesus did not permit lying. Muhammad permitted lying... In Islam you can lie to advance... Muhammad or Allah.” ([43:15]-[43:55], Bill Federer & Zoan)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Immigrate, increase, eliminate.”
  — Bill Federer ([12:16])

• “If you think Islam’s cool, you’ve been deceived. You’re allowing yourself to be deceived or you’ve intentionally went down that path. But especially a woman—why would a woman gravitate toward Islam?… It is demonic. Deception.”
  — Zoan ([46:27])

• “Within five years of Muhammad coming into the Jewish city of Medina as an immigrant, there is not a Jew left in the city of Medina.”
  — Bill Federer ([00:39], repeated at [21:30])

• “The world’s divided in two: the Dar al-Islam and the Dar al-Harb. The Dar al-Islam is the house of Islam, the house of submission, and the Dar al-Harb is the house of war. It’s supposed to be at war because it’s in the process of being subdued.”
  — Bill Federer ([20:20])

• “Jesus never killed anybody. Muhammad killed an estimated 3,000 people. Jesus never owned slaves. Muhammad owned slaves.”
  — Bill Federer ([43:11])

• On treaty with Islamic regimes:

  • “As soon as you leave the harbor, [the treaty] will be waste paper.” — Bill Federer, recounting the words of the Pasha of Tripoli ([38:27])

• Comparing Jesus and Muhammad:
  — “Let’s not compare followers—let’s compare founders.” ([43:00], Bill Federer)

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Important Timestamps & Sections

• [03:19] – Overview of Muhammad's life and his exposure to various religions
• [10:56] – Events in Medina: Jewish tribes and the three-step process
• [12:16] – “Immigrate, increase, eliminate” explained
• [13:45] – Dawah (immigration strategy) and application in Detroit
• [17:10] – Defining Islam, submission, and the meaning of “peace”
• [21:54] – Erasure of early Christian cultures by Islamic conquest
• [25:25] – Key defeats of Muslim expansion in Europe (Vienna, Tours)
• [32:00] – The truth about the Crusades as a response, not preemptive violence
• [44:13] – Contrasting salvation and assurance in Christianity and Islam
• [45:36] – Halal, haram, and the role of questioning in Islam
• [46:27] – Gender dynamics, status of women, and social pressure in Islam
• [38:28], [41:23] – Hudna (Islamic treaties), contemporary relevance
• [47:42] – Bill Federer shares further resources (American Minute)

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Final Reflection & Closing Word

Bill Federer draws a spiritual lesson from Genesis and the sacrifices of Cain and Abel, framing Islam as a “religion of works” akin to Cain’s rejected offering and Christianity as grace-based, rooted in the sacrifice of the Lamb (Jesus) ([47:42]-[48:53]). Listeners are pointed toward further study and urged, by Jack Hibbs, to “wake up and speak up… If we’re silent, then we are going to lose this republic that God has given us” ([48:59]).

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For more resources:

• AmericanMinute.com (Bill Federer)
• JackHibbs.com (Podcast outlines)

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Transcript

[Jack Hibbs]

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[Bill Federer]

To understand what's going on, we have to understand Muhammad. He was a religious leader and then a political leader and then a military leader. And so within five years of Muhammad coming into the Jewish city of Medina as an immigrant, there is not a Jew left in the city of Medina. So when Madame said, oh, my religion began with Muhammad being an immigrant, a stranger into the city of Medina, yeah, what happened next?

[Zoan]

And so people think that the were just some mean, brutal preemptive strike. It was a response to the Islamic invasion that was extremely violent in these European countries.

[Bill Federer]

So it's a three step process. Immigrate, increase, eliminate.

[Jack Hibbs]

You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackibbs.com podcast today. If this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ and then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us, that's like saying amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs.

[Zoan]

Well, hey everybody. Welcome to the podcast. And we are here in beautiful Southern California, Huntington beach, specifically. A very, very unique city in Southern California because it is so, so conservative. The members of the city council are all believers in the Lord Jesus. And this country, this, this city reflects all that. And that's why we have chosen to have our comeback California event right here in Surf City, usa. And part of the great things that are going on, in fact, some of the stuff I'm gonna, I'm gonna want you to listen to. We'll save that for later. You're gonna wanna hear what is going on for sure. But we have with us a treasure. He is a national treasure. He's a treasure to the church and he's a treasure to, to me. I love this man. I have listened to him for many, many decades. And God is using him mightily. William Federer or Bill Federer and prolific author and profound speaker. There's nobody like him in this nation. And Bill, it's great to have you with us. We're gonna dive in right now, if you don't mind, of what's going on in not only just California and Los Angeles, but really in pockets throughout the United States, as we've seen happen in New York. Bill, there's a rise of political involvement by Islamicist Muslims seeking to use our Judeo Christian system to bring in their Islamic worldview. And what do you think about that? What's your word?

[Bill Federer]

Well, to understand what's going on, we have to understand Muhammad. He's the DNA. And so his life went through three stages. He was a religious leader and then a political leader and then a military leader. And so the situation is the Byzantine Christian Empire had been in a war with Iran, Persia for centuries. They beat each other up and left a power vacuum. And so in 570 AD is when Muhammad was born. Obviously, Muhammad and his original followers were all illiterate. And so the word Quran means recitation, so it's oral. So there is room for did he really exist? And if so, was it, you know, but for the typical Muslim, they assume that he did exist. And so he's born in 570 AD his father dies before he's born. His mother dies when he's six. His grandfather and guardian dies when he's eight. He's orphaned, taken in by an uncle, Abu Talib, who's a merchant who takes Muhammad on camel rides to different cities. And he hears about the different religions. One of them was Manichaeism. A guy named Manny said there's little bits of truth in every religion.

[Zoan]

Like a pantheist. Yeah.

[Bill Federer]

And a follower of Manichaeism was St. Augustine. Until he met the guy and realized he didn't know what he was talking about. Rejected it, became a Christian. Well, anyway, the Persians were Zoroastrian that believed that paradise was filled full of virgins that would fulfill all the guy's desires.

[Zoan]

What a place.

[Bill Federer]

Muhammad heard that and he put it into his belief system. The Zoroastrians believed in jinns or genies, like a thousand one Arabian Nights. And then there's the pagans. And so in Mecca, they had a square building called the kaaba that housed 360 different pagan gods.

[Zoan]

360.

[Bill Federer]

The most popular was Hubal, the moon God. And their calendar began with the first sight of the crescent moon over the desert. That's right. They had a rock they thought had fallen from the moon. It's a glass impact rock where a meteor hit the desert sands. And these pagans would Kiss this rock, walk around it, bow to it for centuries. And Muhammad kissed that rock and that practice got incorporated into his belief system. There were the Sabians that were into chopping off arms and legs and that got into. And then there's the Jewish faith. And Muhammad originally had his followers bowing toward Jerusalem. And then there's the Christian faith and even Encyclopedia Britannic. It says the gospel was made known to Muhammad through apocryphal and heretical sources. So Muhammad thought the Trinity was the father marrying Jesus. And the apocryphal, what's that? The Infancy Gospel of Thomas, written several centuries after Jesus by someone who knew nothing of Jewish life. It's filled full of these little Harry Potter type stories of Jesus making clay birds clap and they flew away, raised a playmate from the dead, spoke from the cradle. There's no other book that has these stories other than this infancy Gospel that no scholar takes serious because of all the years. But Muhammad heard those stories and now they're incorporated into Islam. So he is 25. He marries a wealthy widow, Khadijah. She's 40. He does not have to work. And then a movement sweeps through called monasticism, where the Christians would give away their money and live in a cave as a hermit. And so that's when Muhammad went to a cave and prayed. And a spirit appeared to him and commanded him to read. And he said, I cannot read. Happened a second time, third time. And then he began to recite. And people say, how can somebody that's illiterate memorize these verses? Well, in Arabic they had a little rhyme to them, a little beat. Yeah, that's very similar to rap music.

[Zoan]

Yeah.

[Bill Federer]

So maybe there's a student that can't read, but they memorize rap songs. And so he thinks he's demon possessed. And according to Sirat Razul Allah, the first biography of Muhammad, he goes back to his wife Khadijah, and she decides to test the spirit. She says, can you tell me when this visitant comes? And so she has Muhammad sit on her left thigh and says, can you see the spirit? And he goes, yes, over there. And then she has him sit on her right thigh and say, can you see the spirit? Yes, over there. Then she has him sit on her lap and she begins to disclose her form and says, can you see the spirit? And he goes, no. And she says, well, it must have been from God because it was embarrassed to look upon me without all my veils on. That was the test that Muhammad used to decide whether the spirit appearing to him was from God or not. Now first John 4 says the test is every spirit that does not acknowledge Christ is of antichrist Christ and that if I or someone or even an angel from heaven preaches another gospel, right. Rejected. And then so we see that Muhammad was illiterate so he could never read the New Testament. Well she takes him Muhammad to her cousin who's an ebionite Christian priest. Ebionism is this heresy that says Jesus less than God. He says maybe this is the spirit that appeared to Moses and then he dies and Muhammad's left with the Spirit for 15 years. In 610 A.D. he goes into Mecca and he thinks there's something in his new faith for everyone. Something for the Jews, something for the Christians, something for the Zoroastrians, something for the pagans and nobody likes it. And he gets confrontational. And in 619 AD when his wife Khadijah dies, his uncle Abu Talib dies who was his protector. They chase him out of town, he tries going to Al Taif, they don't want him, they pelt him with rocks and stones. So in 622 he goes north to Medina. Three Jewish tribes let him in and they have inter tribal warfare. They have like trump derangements in them, they like hate each other so much but anyway they're tolerant and they let Muhammad in and so Muhammad goes into the minority. So he's the first ever Muslim immigrant.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

He goes into the minority neighborhoods and he organizes a following, sort of like a community organizer and he gets and

[Zoan]

in the refugee camp so to speak.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, and then he becomes a political leader, he pressures the Jews to a treaty and then his followers in Mecca get confrontational, they get chased out of town. Now there's lots of Muslim immigrants, Jews are tolerant, let them in as lots of refugees and Muhammad allows them to rob the caravans headed back to Mecca in retaliation for the Meccans chasing them out. So where Jesus said if they take your coat, give them your shirt. His attitude was victimhood, we're the victims, they were intolerant of us therefore were justified in attacking the caravans of Arabia.

[Zoan]

Really built on a disgruntled, dis disenfranchised grudge. We've been rejected, it's time to advance this by violence. No one's going to listen to me. So let's take it.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. And so that went into the victimhood, went into the DNA of Islam. So they will always portray themselves as victims of somebody else's intolerance justifying them in attacking so Muhammad gets verses from his Allah to attack caravans. One of them, 3350, says, Allah has given you the slave girls as your booty. He tells his men you can have four wives plus as many extra women as your right hand possesses. Concubine slave wives. And then he gets a fifth of the booty. Surah841. And so the Meccans send a thousand soldiers to escort their caravan. And Muhammad with 300 defeats a thousand at the Battle of Badra in 624 AD. So here he's outnumbered three to one and he wins. He takes this as confirmation that Allah wants him to be a military Leader. Fights in 66 battles and raids in the next eight years, killing an estimated 3,000 people. So Muhammad himself went from a religious Muslim to a political Muslim to a militant Muslim. So those that want to follow him, follow him religiously, politically. So there's freedom for all religions in America. But Islam is not just a religion because Muhammad was not just a religious leader, he was also a political and a military leader.

[Zoan]

Yeah.

[Bill Federer]

And so then he goes back into the city of Medina where the Jews, three Jewish tribes, and he gets offended at the smallest of the tribes and the other two tribes, like I've said, have this Trump derangement was like we hated that tribe. And, and so when Muhammad confiscates their property and chases them out, the other ones are like, they had it coming to him. I'm glad they're gone.

[Zoan]

There you go, you get it.

[Bill Federer]

Now there's just two Jewish tribes.

[Zoan]

Yeah.

[Bill Federer]

And Muhammad picks on the one that the other two don't, that the other one doesn't like and confiscates her property, chases them out and the big Jewish tribe sort of stands back, says, well, they had it coming to them. Now one less competition and now there's only one. And according to the, the biography of Muhammad, he's taking a bath and the spirit appears to him again and says, how can you rest when Allah's enemies are in your midst? Points at that last Jewish neighborhood, surrounds them for 25 days, brings them into the market, chops off their heads, about 700 sells women and children into slavery. And so within five years of Muhammad coming into the Jewish city of Medina as an immigrant, there is not a Jew left in the city of Medina. So when Mondami said, oh my religion began with Muhammad being an immigrant, a stranger into the city of Medina, it's like, yeah, what happened next?

[Zoan]

Yeah, keep going Zoan, keep going.

[Bill Federer]

And so it's a three step process. Immigrate, increase, eliminate. Right. Like say.

[Zoan]

Say it again for everybody to hear this. Slowly say, say those three.

[Bill Federer]

Immigrate, increase, eliminate.

[Zoan]

Exactly.

[Bill Federer]

So you immigrate as a religious refugee and take advantage of the tolerance of the host country.

[Zoan]

Yes.

[Bill Federer]

And then you increase the number of your followers amongst the minorities and begin to get involved in politics.

[Zoan]

There you go.

[Bill Federer]

And then you have random outbreaks of violence.

[Zoan]

Yes.

[Bill Federer]

Acid attacks, knifings, rapes. And the previous inhabitants of the neighborhood no longer feel safe, and they move out and you take over the neighborhood.

[Zoan]

Exactly right. Very, very predictive tactic that has worked for Islam from the beginning.

[Bill Federer]

I did an interview with Ryan Hilfenbein of Liberty.

[Zoan]

Sure. No, Ryan.

[Bill Federer]

Well, and he liked it. Immigrate, populate, dominate.

[Zoan]

Yeah.

[Bill Federer]

And I thought, well, yeah, they're coming in and they're having their four wives, and they put them on welfare.

[Zoan]

That's right. In the United States, the welfare system.

[Bill Federer]

And they say, well, my husband's not around, and the more children they have, the bigger the welfare checks get. And this guy's living like a prince.

[Zoan]

He is.

[Bill Federer]

And the typical Muslim woman has five children.

[Zoan]

Yeah. And you and I are paying for it.

[Bill Federer]

And it's all paid for. Tax, expense. And so. So this is a predictable pattern with 1400 years. So the. So there's two ways to spread Islam. The fast way and the slow way. The fast way is jihad through the sword. The slow way is dawah D a W a H. It's immigration jihad, where you come into the host country and then. And so the first Muslims, which has

[Zoan]

served them very well throughout all of Europe and now even here in the States.

[Bill Federer]

So Henry Ford built cars in Detroit, and he hated unions. And he's traveling the world looking for an alternative source of rubber, and he's in the Middle east, and a man from Yemen helps put his luggage on the boat. And he does such a good job. Henry Ford says, show up in Detroit, I'll pay you $5 a day.

[Zoan]

$5 a day. Which was huge.

[Bill Federer]

And so it started a flood of Arabs into Detroit. And they worked hard. And this is 19 be 1920s, okay? And so they worked hard, they did not join unions. And they were nice. And everybody says they're nice. They work hard, they don't join unions. Let more in. More come in. They work hard, they don't join unions. And then they let more and more until finally, I think it's 1924, they get the first imam, and then the next year they get the Shiite imam. So first is a Sunni Imam, then a Shiite, and together they build the first purpose built mosque in America. So not just taking over another building, this is a building intentionally built as a mosque, the first one ever in America. And they start the one of the very first Islamic associations in America.

[Zoan]

That's right. In. In fact, Bill, I want you to keep going. But a lot of Americans don't realize, most Christians don't know that when a Muslim walks a territory, a piece of land, or they build a mosque, they believe that they have now Allah given authority over a region that is the parameter of that mosque. They believe it is theirs. You could say, well, that's ridiculous, I don't believe it. It doesn't matter what you believe. They believe it. And they're the ones that are actively advancing Islam using the Judeo Christian worldview freedoms that we have in the United States to advance their cause. You don't have to agree or disagree or believe or not believe in what your, what the Muslim believes in. They do and they will advance it. You're irrelevant unless you speak up.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, we tried to give ourselves feelings to them are our motivations to them when they have their own separate motivations. They do believe that if they build a mosque, they're building themselves a palace for the next life. And that any property within sight of the minaret of the mosque belongs to Islam.

[Zoan]

There you go.

[Bill Federer]

And if you think of it in reverse, if you're in a foreign country and it's really strange and then you see a church steeple with a cross, you feel like, oh, it's a little. I feel more comfortable in this neighborhood. Right. So. So Henry Ford brings them in. And then these imams begin to coach the Muslims in Detroit to follow the Quran closer. And they say, sir, I saw your wife out shopping and she was dressed immodestly. And the man goes home and says, you embarrassed me in front of the imam. In this community, you need to start covering up. And then the imam says, I hear your daughter was at a public swimming pool with infidel boys there. And he goes home, daughter, no more swimming.

[Zoan]

Exactly.

[Bill Federer]

And then he says, I saw you having lunch with an infidel. You're not supposed to be close friends with infidels. And so. Okay. And he gradually coaches them to follow the Quran closer and become more fundamental, following Muhammad's example, which goes from religious to political to military. Now, some definitions. The word Islam means submission to the will of Allah.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

A Muslim is one who has submitted.

[Zoan]

Right.

[Bill Federer]

And they think there'll be world Peace. When the whole world submits to the will.

[Zoan]

Once they're in control. Yes. Okay.

[Bill Federer]

When all your enemies are defeated. So to them, world peace means world Islam.

[Zoan]

Yeah, you got you spelling the word peace differently.

[Bill Federer]

I read a quote from Peace. I read a quote from Lincoln, and during the Civil War, he said, we all declare for liberty, but in using the same word, we do not all mean the same thing. Exactly. So when the south says liberty, it's kicking the Northern troops out. When the north says liberty is freeing the slaves.

[Zoan]

Exactly.

[Bill Federer]

Same word, two different meanings, different dictionary.

[Zoan]

And.

[Bill Federer]

And now the moderate Muslim believes the world will submit to Allah later, maybe in the distant future, maybe at the end of the world, maybe it's even figurative. And since it's so far off, they really don't think about it, and they just want to live their lives and they're wonderful people, and they want to have you as friends, neighbor and family member. And they're happy to be under the umbrella of the west, the fundamental Muslim. They think the world is supposed to submit to Allah now. And the fundamental Muslim is just as happy to kill a moderate Muslim as they are to kill an infidel.

[Zoan]

That's what a lot of people don't realize who may be flirting with Islam. So maybe I'll say this gently. In the United States, there seems to be this bizarre affection. Specifically, strangely, among two people groups that are gravitating toward Islam. White urban American women. And the other one is disenfranchised Catholics, especially in the Hispanic realm. There's some sort of continuity they sense or feel. That said, what's amazing, what people. People don't realize is that when Islam takes power or when it goes violent. Look, you and I are sitting here right now. It happens to be a Thursday. We just watched on Tuesday, Bill, Times Square, New York City. Tremendous amounts of violence and rioting of Muslims condemning the state of Israel and the existence of Israel. And when given the opportunity, history tells us that they will go violent. That said, what a lot of people don't realize in America is that when the fundamental Muslim shows up on the scene, the first ones that they will kill is that moderate or liberal Muslim. They'll put the Jew and the Christian on hold to deal with this one first, and then they will go after the Jewish and then the Christian. And this is not metaphorical. The history of Islam has proven that that is their actions. Once they have the perceived or the actual powers to do it, they will do it. They don't sit idle. To be truly Muslim is to embrace that Islamic umbrella, which is geopolitical, theocratic, worldview. There's the religion, there's the government, Sharia, There are all these areas, people just want to think of it as a backwater back word, religion. Oh, it's way more than that. Way more than that.

[Bill Federer]

So the world's divided in two, the Dar al Islam and the Dar Al Harb. The Dar Al Islam is the house of Islam, the house of submission. And then the Dar Al Harb is the house of war. It's supposed to be at war because it's in the process of being subdued. Now, the moderate Muslim is happy to be under the Western umbrella, enjoy freedoms and fashions and foods and drinks. And if a terrorist attack happens and the non Muslim authority in the world comes down hard, they're happy to stay leaning toward the West. But when the non Muslim world does not come down hard on the fundamental ones, worse, gives them money, gives them arms, leaves $85 billion worth of weapons.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

Then the moderate Muslims, like, well, if you're not going to come to my rescue and they're threatening to kill me unless I lean more in their direction. It's like if a gang is moving into your neighborhood and they're doing a drug deal on your lawn, you call the police, the police show up and arrest them. Are you going to call the police again?

[Zoan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bill Federer]

But what if you call the police and they don't show up? Worse, the gang leader comes to your door and says, we have somebody inside the police department. And they said, you snitched. If you do it again, we'll kill you.

[Zoan]

That's exactly right.

[Bill Federer]

Are you going to call the police anymore?

[Zoan]

No. Right.

[Bill Federer]

So anyway, so back to Muhammad. Within five years of him coming into the Jewish city of Medina, there's not a Jew left. And if he would have said that ahead of time, hey, the Jews would have united, but they had this Trump derangement. So they hated the other party so much. So then you have within five years of Muhammad's death, every preexisting culture in Arabia is wiped out.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

And then you have Amir ibn Alas. Around the 640s, he invades Egypt and what happens? Egypt had been Christian for six centuries, evangelized by Mark that wrote the Gospel. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and the Byzantine Christians of Constantinople were persecuting the Coptic Christians in Egypt. And Emir Ibn Allah says, we'll help you copt against the Byzantines.

[Zoan]

And they're like, really?

[Bill Federer]

You're so nice. You'll help our Party against that party. Once they come in, they not only take over, there's a caliph, Al Hakim, and he decides to cut out the tongues of anybody caught speaking Coptic. Literally eradicates an entire language. And then the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, which had been a Byzantine Christian city.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

And the bishop, Orthodox Greek brokers a deal. Instead of two choices, convert or die, you get a third choice. You can be a dhimmi, a second class citizen where you pay taxes to your new Muslim overlords, fund the system, and it's called the jizya. It's an annual tax. You ransom your life and if you run out of money, you're no longer part of the agreement. They can sell you and your wife children into slavery. And so that's how these Somali Muslims in Minneapolis have no problem living off the taxes and the fraud of the taxpayers. Like they love it. You're supposed, you're the subdued nation. You're supposed to support us. And then in 648 AD, Khalifumar conquers Syria. Syria was the first country that was completely Christian, evangelized by the Apostle Paul, Christians epicenter. And the name Christian was first invented in Syria. And then you North Africa and remember that monasticism movement, give away your money, live in a cave, while North Africa bought into that. It was their version of separation of church and state. And you had these Christians saying, oh, if we're so spiritual, we're just going to withdraw. The Umayyad Muslims just conquered all of North Africa in 10 years. And then you have a Tariq is the Muslim general. And in 610 AD, or excuse me, 7 11, it's easy to remember because like the convenience store 7 11. So in the year 7 11, Tariq has 80,000 Muslims cross the Strait of Gibraltar and land at a mountain. And the Arabic word for mountain is jabal, so they called it Jabal Tariq Gibraltar. Gibraltar is Jabal Tariq. It's where Tariq landed. And so the same thing happens in Spain. You got Visigothic Christian kingdoms that didn't get along, and they would pick on one kingdom and the other ones would stand back and says, you know, they were arrived like high school football rivals. I hated them. And so then one's gone and another one's gone, another one's gone. In 10 years, they conquer all of Spain, cross the Pyrenees, conquer southern France. They're finally stopped outside of Paris in the battle of Tours.

[Zoan]

Martell.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, in 732 AD, just 100 years after the death of Muhammad in 632, the first century of Islam is a military campaign which by the way little fun.

[Zoan]

Side note is when, after the, after that conquering of Islam, that's when they began to bake the croissant.

[Bill Federer]

Now that's after the battle of Vienna.

[Zoan]

Oh is it? In683 eat the, the crescent moon of Islam.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. So, so then you have the 100, 200,000 Muslims around Vienna in the 1683. And, and it's the Polish king Jan Sobieski that comes to there. And those were the two main battles. So the Charles Martel stopped the Muslims from invading France and the Polish king Yan. So yes, stopped him, but that's a thousand years of, of conquest.

[Zoan]

And, and wasn't their day of defeat September 11th?

[Bill Federer]

September 11th, yeah.

[Zoan]

Which in. I was told by some FBI agents who were involved in the investigation after the 911 attacks that in. Both in New Jersey and in Florida they had devotions provided by Osama bin Laden. And he had been talking about to them before he gave their, the pep talk on paper that if things didn't come together they would regroup later on because it could not happen on this on September 10th and it couldn't happen on September 12th. A lot of people don't realize this. The September 11th attacks on 2001 had to happen on September 11th because Osama bin Laden was all about redeeming the day of infamy from the gates of Vienna of 1683.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. And just to reemphasize that in 1565 you had 40,000 Muslims surround the island of Malta, which was the last island protecting the western Mediterranean. And they were defeated on September 11, 1565. And then fast forward in 1697 you have another hundred thousand Muslims invading Serbia. And that's when you have Eugene of Savoy and you have the different. And they're, they drive the Muslims out on September 11, 1697. So three different times in September 11. And when you understand Islam, there's no concept of a personal relationship with Allah. It's a group, it's an ummah, it's a community, it's a team.

[Zoan]

Yeah.

[Bill Federer]

And so if your team loses the playoffs, how does your team regain their honor? Maybe win the playoffs?

[Zoan]

You got to go win the playoffs.

[Bill Federer]

And so if you lose on a particular day, how do you regain your honor? You win on that day, you gotta,

[Zoan]

you gotta win that day. Side note, I don't want to throw you off, but the first chapter of Christopher Columbus's first journal of his, of his expedition. He makes Mention how Ferdinand and Isabella, when they came to Alhambra where they defeated the king of the Moors, where he was deposed from his throne, the Muslim ruler, and he bowed before Isabella and Ferdinand and kissed the ring of the king in surrender. And how Columbus wrote that down in his first journal. He watched it happen in 1492. I guess it was 92 or 91.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. It's interesting. So the Muslim general Khalid ibn al Walid, undefeated in a hundred battles, he conquers Persia or Iran in 632 AD. So I'm going to get around to that battle of Columbus. Talking about Columbus. So when. So now you have. Since that 700 year war between the Roman Empire and the Persian Empire left a power vacuum. So now Persia is conquered by the Muslims. Interesting. The Persians were civilized.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

You have Queen Esther and Daniel and Cyrus. The Arabs were illiterate desert raiders.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

And so once you have the Muslims conquer Persia, there's a moderating effect on Islam. It's called the Islamic golden age. And you have Al Rashid is the caliph in Baghdad and he has Buddhists in his court, Christians in his court. He has women that are allowed to speak in his court. He even receives a delegation from Charlemagne and he sends back presents to Charlemagne. That's Al Rashid. It's the Islamic golden age.

[Zoan]

It's funny, they call it the Islamic golden age and they were acting more like and benefiting from Judeo Christian worldview, worldview influence. And they called it the golden age. Hey, we're getting away from this Islamic fundamentalism and acting and learning and being more like Christian turned into a golden age for us.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. And they had three scholars, Al Farabi, Averos and Avicenna. And they were teaching that maybe paradise is not filled full of virgins, maybe it's more spiritual. And they began to study Greek and Latin and medicine and math and music and. And if you were to take a snapshot, you would have thought that the Islamic world is about to experience the Renaissance. But it gets slapped down by a Muslim leader named Ghazali. He's the second most important Muslim after Muhammad and he is a Mujahideen or a newer of the faith. And he says stop studying Greek stuff, even geometry, because if you study Greek math, you're going to be pulled away from Islam.

[Zoan]

You use your brain, you're going to start thinking for yourself and can't have that going on.

[Bill Federer]

But it is interesting because Muhammad's first biography was written during this era where the Persians were civilized. And writing it down and so that first century of Islam, it's oral. And so that's where you have this very. What intellectual question of, did Muhammad really exist or is he a compilation of different things? Because we don't have any written records.

[Zoan]

We don't have written records. We have no evidence. Only oral tradition.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. And then. Then. So then the Persians hired Turks, who were a nomadic Central Asia people group, to be their mercenaries against the Mongols.

[Zoan]

Yes.

[Bill Federer]

So you got Genghis Khan. He kills 30 million people from Korea to Hungary. His grandson is Hulagu Khan, and he sacks Baghdad and he kills a hundred thousand people, and he burns this big library that has 100,000 books. And. And then. So now there's no more Persian golden age. Who's left standing but these Turkish mercenaries, and they turn into the Turks. So in the year 1071, they start invading into Turkey, and all seven churches mentioned in the Book of Revelation were wiped out by the Muslim Turks. And then you have the Greek Orthodox Christians begging the Roman Catholic west for help. They send help. It's called the First Crusade. And then there's nine major crusades. Richard the Lionheart led the third. St. Louis led the seventh and eighth,

[Zoan]

realized that the Crusades were in response to Islamic advancement because what was Islam doing, for example, in France? What was Islam doing, for example, in Austria? And so people think that the Crusades were just some mean, brutal preemptive strike. It was a response to the Islamic invasion that was extremely violent in these European countries.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, I mean, it's the Christians that were underneath of the thumb of these Islamic countries were crying to the west for help. And so you had the mad Khalif in Jerusalem, and in the, you know, around the year 1000, it's Al Hakim. And Al Hakim is the one that cut out the tongues of all the Coptics. He destroys the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. He, like, you know, brings the priests to the altars and cuts their throats. And so reports of Al Hakim are going back to Europe and these Christian minorities. So the Muslims were not quick to make the Christians convert because they were the tax base.

[Zoan]

Yeah, exactly. They were economic.

[Bill Federer]

And so they didn't, like, want them to convert because it's like, you know. Anyway, so these Christians are begging the west for help, and the west finally sends help. It's called the Crusades. And so the. Anyway, so the Seljuk Turks conquer for about two centuries, and during the Crusades, and then you have these Ottoman Turks. Yes, and the Ottoman turks in the 1200s take over and they finally conquer Constantinople, the largest Christian city in the world. In 1453, turned the largest Christian church. It was the equivalent of the Vatican.

[Zoan]

What is that? Hagia Sophia.

[Bill Federer]

Hagia Sophia. 165ft high, 102 foot across dome. 4 acres of gold mosaics they cover with whitewash and crayon versus well, why is this important? The year again is what? 1453. This cuts off the land routes to get from Europe to India and China. Like Marco Polo 1200s, went over there, brought back spaghetti, charcoal and gunpowder and noodles and so forth. And so that's why Columbus looked for a C route to get to India and China. And so as you mentioned in Columbus's Libro de los Proficias, he's talking about that if you, they can, you know, the King and queen of Spain, you know, hopefully we can go on a crusade and get back to the Holy Land, but we're not. His plan is not to go on the westward route, but the eastern route, which no one to this point has known if it exists. He runs into some islands, he's convinced he's in India, he meets people that he names Indians and the name sticks.

[Zoan]

Yeah. He even makes a comment in his writings and I'd love for you guys, it's not very big. You should read Christopher Columbus's first journal in that several times he talks about where he's in either, you know what, whichever one of the Caribbean islands, which is a whole nother fun word to talk about. Carib. But that said, he talks about, oh, we were able to find some gold. We'll make sure that this gets back to the king and queen so it can possibly fund military outreaches to liberate Jerusalem from the, from the Moors. He, he called them Mohammedans.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. Well, it is interesting. For an entire century, gold from the New World fitted out the Spanish navy to stop the Muslim from taking over the Mediterranean.

[Zoan]

That's right, the Barbary coast pirates.

[Bill Federer]

And so this brings up another interesting thing. Muhammad robbed caravans and so his followers had ships and they robbed the coast of Europe. People forget in the year 846 AD, 11,000 Muslim warriors sailed up the Tiber river and they sacked Rome and they trashed the bones of St. Peter and St. Paul. That's why Pope Leo built a 39 foot wall around the Vatican that's still there to this day.

[Zoan]

Absolutely. I've seen it with my own eyes.

[Bill Federer]

And so then each country in Europe would pay an annual tribute to these Muslim pirates. And that's the jizya yeah. Yes. So this is an extortion payment.

[Zoan]

Extortion, which the United States. Fast forwarding Jefferson and Adams said, we're not going to pay this anymore because we were being charged that.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. So when we broke from Britain, we're no longer covered under the British tribute payment.

[Zoan]

Right.

[Bill Federer]

And so we start picking it up. 20% of our federal budget was going under the terms of George Washington. And John Adams was going to these Barbary pirates, Muslim pirates. The day after Jefferson got inaugurated, the third president, he gets a demand from the Pasha Tripoli for a quarter of a million dollars extortion payment. And he said, I did the only reasonable thing. I sent in a squadron of our ships to escort our commerce in the Mediterranean.

[Zoan]

I want to insert this. The longest ongoing running war that has never had a legal declaration of the end of war has been the United States battle with the Islamic pirates of the Mediterranean. Jefferson and Adams played a key role in that.

[Bill Federer]

That.

[Zoan]

But I remember a congressman who was newly elected in those days by the name of Keith Ellison. And Keith Ellison lied to the American people. And of course, American people love the lie. And that is. He called for Jefferson's Quran. He wanted to be sworn into office with his hand upon Jefferson's Quran. Making you think Jefferson was somehow infatuated with Islam? The exact opposite. When Thomas Jefferson was elected, he called for the Quran. I actually can't use the word on camera right now that Jefferson used. I'll just say this, I'll put it this way. Jefferson called for the Quran and when asked, what do you want with it? He said, I want to know what these crazy people think, because we are going to go up against them, we are going to take them out. Most Americans don't even know that.

[Bill Federer]

Yeah. So there's the. This history of conflict. And so that's why you have Somali pirates, Port of Hormuz. You have, you know, piracy. Oh. And so Stephen Decatur. And you know, when. So. So he fought in the first Barbary pirate war and then in the Second Barbary Pirate War in 1815 under James Madison. He's negotiating with the Pasha of Tripoli. And the pasha says, draw up the treaty as you will, but be assured as soon as you leave the harbor, it will be waste paper.

[Zoan]

Exactly.

[Bill Federer]

And so the. The Islamic concept of treaty is hudna.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

When you're weak, you make treaties until you get strong enough to disregard them.

[Zoan]

I'm sorry, what is. Friends, listen with what he just said. I don't know when this podcast is going to drop, but what you just said, I'm not sure if you're aware because you've been busy. So as I've been getting, as I was getting ready for today at this conference here at this resort, I had the news on. And right now, you know, Trump is saying, we've got to deal with Iran. We've got a deal. It's good, it's going to be great. Israel is saying, excuse me, hello. It's never a good, it's never a good thing to have a deal with Iran. Of course, we're talking about the Islamic Irg. So Trump made a comment today and he said, we think that they can be trusted on the demands that we are requiring of them. And I am a nobody, but I know enough from history that either. I hope Trump knows this and he's playing out a game, because if he doesn't, then I'm concerned like Israel is. And it's this Hudna, translation, irgc, Trump, you guys have kicked our teeth in. You've beaten the snot out of us. We're about ready to collapse. But as long as there's one man standing, we're still winning up against the great Satan, America. That said, we need to live another day so we can fight another day. So we are going to call now a meeting. We'll get together with you in Hudna, meaning, because we're getting beat up, we're going to call for a peace deal. We'll agree to your terms. The west, so naive and ignorant, says, yay, look, we won. And Islam silently laughs because we've played right into their tactic. Because you got to remember, they as long as they have one man standing representing their team, they think they've won. And in the IRGC in Iran, they think they're winning, you see? Well, how can that possibly be? Because they're still existing. And when they call for Hudna, that means they want to use the, the, I don't know, naivety of the west to live to fight another day.

[Bill Federer]

Well, it's interesting. For centuries of Islamic tribal warfare, when one senses that they're losing, they will send an embassage to the stronger one and sue for peace. Even Jesus talked about that. Somebody with 20,000, another one with 10,000. If you realize they go. And so the fact that whoever approaches the other one seeking a treaty has already admitted they lost.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

And so when we send people over there and says, hey, we want to meet with you, from their point of view, we've lost.

[Zoan]

Exactly.

[Bill Federer]

The only thing is them begging us for if they're begging us for a treaty, that's when you know that you're in this position of strength. As long as it's us wanting to do a treaty with them, then their mindset. And so a couple issues. So Muhammad made that treaty with those three Jewish tribes and he found an excuse to break the treaty with the one and kick him out. Then the second, then the third by accusing, well, you were communicating with another tribe. And so I'm going to take that as an excuse to break it. Another is there was a habit of the pagans where they had one month off where they didn't fight. And so they would go on their pilgrimage to that square building when it was still a pagan city in Mecca. Well, Muhammad gets his revelation from Olive that it's okay to attack these caravans during this month off. And the other tribes, they couldn't, they comprehend this. But. And so the idea is that it's okay to break treaties because Muhammad would break treaties. Another interesting one is comparing Jesus and Muhammad. People say, well, Bill, you talked about Muslims killing people, Christians kill people too. It's like, okay, let's not compare followers, let's compare founders. Yeah, so the largest religion in the world is Christianity. About a third, second largest religion in the world is Islam about, you know, 20 some odd percent. And then you have, you know, 16% unaffiliated. And then Hindus and then Buddhists down to 0.2% Jewish. But the two largest religions in the world, Jesus never killed anybody. Muhammad killed an estimated 3,000 people. Jesus never owned slaves. Muhammad owned slaves. He was a white Arab.

[Zoan]

Jesus raised the dead. Muhammad put down the dead.

[Bill Federer]

Jesus never tortured anybody. Muhammad conquered the city of Khaybar. The chief wouldn't tell where the treasure was hidden and Muhammad had him stretched out on the ground. They kindled a fire on his. Jesus did not permit lying. Muhammad permitted lying. He had a chieftain planning on attacking. He goes to his men who will rid me of the chieftain. One will said, I will if you permit me to lie. So he goes to the chieftain, said, I've left Muhammad, he's a heretic. I want to help you, but they're after me. And the chieftain says, you can spend the night in my tent.

[Zoan]

Yeah, good luck with that.

[Bill Federer]

Middle of the night, he beheads the chieftain, grants and gives his head to Muhammad.

[Zoan]

In Islam, you can lie to advance, that's the interest of Muhammad or Allah.

[Bill Federer]

And so first three centuries of Christianity, there's 10 major persecutions and the Christians never had an armed defense against Rome. The first three centuries of Islam, they conquered from Arabia to Paris. Jesus said, go to a town. If they don't receive you, shake the dust, Leave Muhammad. Go to a town. If they don't receive you, wage war on the town.

[Zoan]

Kill them all.

[Bill Federer]

And then it's interesting that Jesus taught God was our father. In Islam, it's blasphemy to call Allah your father. Jesus taught we're children of God. In Islam, it's blasphemy to call yourself a child of Allah because Allah took no wife and has no son. Jesus taught we're made in the image of God. In Islam, Allah has no image. Jesus taught to have a personal relationship with God. In Islam, it's blasphemy to even want to have a personal relationship with Allah.

[Zoan]

Jesus gives you the assurance of salvation. A Muslim doesn't even know if he's going to make it, even if he blows himself up as a. As a shaheed.

[Bill Federer]

Even Muhammad said, though I'm the prophet of Allah, I do not know what Allah will do with me.

[Zoan]

Exactly.

[Bill Federer]

So there's no security. And that brings up another thing. Sharia. So it's trying to be like Muhammad. The word sharia means law. So Christians want to be like Jesus, Muslims want to be like Muhammad. Except Christians do not believe. They go to heaven by being like Jesus.

[Zoan]

That's right.

[Bill Federer]

They go to heaven because they believe Jesus died on the cross to pay for their sins. They want to live like Jesus to show the rest of the world how

[Zoan]

much they love him in gratitude and thanks and love.

[Bill Federer]

In Islam, their chances of going to paradise are proportional to how closely they can follow Muhammad's example. He wore a 7th century tunic. I'm going to wear one. Wear a robe and wear the sandals. And so what Muhammad permitted is permitted. It is called halal. What he did not permit is not permitted. It is called haram.

[Zoan]

Haram.

[Bill Federer]

So Muhammad liked cats. They are halal. They're permitted. Muhammad did not like dogs. They're haram.

[Zoan]

No dogs.

[Bill Federer]

And so Islam is a long list of.

[Zoan]

That's a big clue.

[Bill Federer]

It's a long list of halals and haram. And the local imam keeps the list. It's a religion of do's and don'ts. And then you say, well, I want to know why is this haram? I'm sorry, you cannot ask why.

[Zoan]

You cannot ask why.

[Bill Federer]

But I really want to know why. If you ask again, I'll kill you. Because if you're asking too many questions, you're doubting. And if you doubt, you're an Infidel, unbeliever. And then you get killed. And so most Muslims don't even know why they do stuff. It is just a religion of do's and don'ts specifically for the women. And so that's another thing. In Christianity we have women in the choir and some of the most beautiful praise songs are women singing it. In Islam, if a dog, a donkey or a woman passes between you and Mecca when you're praying, your prayers are invalidated.

[Zoan]

Exactly. And a woman in Islam is an animal that has been created for our gratification and pleasure. Her testimony. You need two women to produce the testimony, equal to one man. And yet here's the demonic and I know we need to wrap this up, here's the demonic breeze to it all is why would people gravitate toward Islam? That's a great question. It's insane. Why would people gravitate toward Islam? There's only one explanation and it is demonic. Deception. Deception. If you think Islam's cool, you've been deceived. Deceived. You're allowing yourself to be deceived or you've intentionally went down that path. But especially a woman. I mean you think about it. Why would a woman gravitate toward Islam? Bill, in the last. I know you've got so much.

[Bill Federer]

It does give a community support group. If you're in there, you're going to need the community. But if you leave, the community will kill you.

[Zoan]

You're done.

[Bill Federer]

It's very gang like you join the MS.13 gang. But blood in, blood out. If you want to leave, you get killed.

[Zoan]

Wow. So listen, we got to wrap this up. Where can people get get more of your information. Your prolific author, the books. Is there a simple one stop shop where they can go?

[Bill Federer]

Yeah, it's American Minute.com American Minute.com I would like to throw in Isaiah 61. A friend of mine has ministry to Muslims and this is one they have no counter to. This is what Jesus said. The spirit of the Lord is upon me because he's anointed me to preach the gospel of the poor to heal the brokenhearted. There's no concept in Islam that Allah wants to heal your broken heart. And so we have to remember that they are a human made in the image of God with a God sized vacuum on the inside. And so Islam is the religion of Cain. Cain wanted to worship God, but it was through works. We know that because God told Adam the ground is cursed for your sake. You'll bring forth fruit by the sweat of your brow. Sweat is work. When Cain's works were rejected, his countenance fell, his pride was hurt. He was embarrassed in front of his community, his mom, dad and brother. And so he gets filled full of hatred, wants to commit the first honor killing. He kills his brother Abel, who embarrassed him in front of his Ummah community. Abel trusted in the Lamb and this God is on one side, he's just, we're on the other side. We're sinners. And the Lamb takes the judgment for the sins instead of us taking the judgment for the sins. So who was saved in the Old Testament? The ones who believed in the sacrifice in the Lamb. Who's saved in the New Testament? Those who believe in the Lamb. We just know his name's Jesus.

[Zoan]

His name's Jesus.

[Bill Federer]

So it's almost like the spiritual descendants of Cain are always trying to kill the spiritual descendants of Abel.

[Zoan]

Very insightful, friends. Listen, you can go to the American Minute.com Americanminute.com Bill Federer's got an unbelievable amount in his library available for you to purchase. And so much is on the Internet of him video form and we have him at our church as often as we can. We look forward to his soon visit. But this is just a sample and I think you guys all caught on. He just gave us all that information, no notes, because it's locked in his heart and in his mind. He's a profound student of truth. And listen, until next time. God bless you guys and we will see you back soon. But remember, get everything you can americanminute.com or you can Google the name William or Bill Federer. Go to YouTube and check out what, what he's got there. But America, listen Christians, wake up and speak up. Don't be silent. If we're silent, then we are going to lose this republic that God has given us. This republic that we have is kept by our obedience to the Lord and to the laws in which God gave us from a Judeo Christian worldview as our founding fathers gave us. And that's what made one of the, or if not the greatest nation on the face of the earth. God was first. Let's put God first again. And let's remember Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins and rose again from the dead. Salvation is found in him and him alone. Until next time, God bless.

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