Christina Haack & Kylie Wing

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues Episode: Christina Haack & Kylie Wing | Release Date: January 22, 2025

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Introduction of Guests and Show Overview

In this episode of "Jeff Lewis Has Issues," hosted by SiriusXM, Christina Haack and her friend Kylie Wing join Jeff Lewis to discuss a range of personal and professional topics. The conversation delves into Christina's multifaceted career in reality television, her personal relationships, and the dynamics of their new HGTV show, "The Flip Off."

Discussion on HGTV’s New Show: "The Flip Off"

Christina Haack provides an in-depth look into her latest venture with HGTV, highlighting the shift in the network's content approach. Unlike traditional home renovation shows that focus solely on the transformation process, "The Flip Off" incorporates a reality TV element, delving into the personal lives and interpersonal drama of the participants.

Christina Haack [04:19]: "It's by far the best thing I've ever worked on. It's the most fun, it's the most real, and very authentic."

Kylie Wing expresses anticipation for the show, noting the long-awaited blend of renovation and reality drama.

Kylie Wing [03:00]: "It seems like it's become a little bit more of a reality show where they're starting to dive into your personal lives, which we've all been waiting for."

The premise of the show involves competitors purchasing homes to remodel and sell, with the ultimate goal of making the most profit. Christina emphasizes the authenticity of the show, aiming to showcase genuine interactions that typically don’t make it to air.

Personal Lives and Relationships

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around Christina Haack's personal life, particularly her recent divorce from Josh. Christina shares the complexities of her separation, the ongoing legal battles, and the challenges of co-parenting.

Christina Haack [08:45]: "Not even close. We're going to be going to trial."

The hosts discuss the financial strains of the divorce, including attorney fees and the lifestyle choices of her ex-husband.

Kylie Wing [09:00]: "Have you been ordered to pay any of the attorney's fees?"

Christina Haack [09:02]: "He drives a Bentley, so he's pulling a lot of chicks."

Christina also touches upon her previous marriages and her experience in transitioning between relationships, providing insights into her personal growth and the lessons learned from each union.

Challenges in Daily Life: Car Troubles and Evacuations

Kylie Wing shares her recent troubles with her car, detailing the frustration of dealing with faulty tires and the inconvenience caused by dealership closures due to evacuations in Los Angeles.

Kylie Wing [12:48]: "I went to the dealership to pick up my car. They're holding it hostage. Yes. So I have no Range Rover, no spray tan."

This segment highlights the everyday struggles celebrities face, balancing personal inconveniences with their public personas.

Parenting and Earpiercings: Navigating Decisions

The discussion shifts to parenting, specifically addressing the topic of ear piercings for their children. Kylie Wing expresses her hesitation about getting her child’s ears pierced, reflecting common parental concerns about timing and the potential for discomfort.

Kylie Wing [27:53]: "I was hoping we could postpone this for like two more years. But if her friends keep getting their ears pierced, it's gonna be a problem."

Christina and Heather Dubrow share their experiences, offering advice on how to approach the decision sensitively and ensure a positive experience for their children.

Heather Dubrow [28:22]: "I would do the needle. It's more cleaner."

Retail Experiences and Workplace Dynamics

Heather Dubrow contributes her insights from her time working at Nordstrom, discussing the dynamics of workplace relationships and the challenges of maintaining professionalism while fostering connections.

Heather Dubrow [21:27]: "They have to call you. I had a cell phone at Nordstrom, too, for strictly for clients."

The conversation amusingly touches on the complexities of dating within the retail industry, highlighting both the camaraderie and the potential for personal entanglements.

"My Best Ex" Game: A Light-Hearted Segment

Towards the end of the episode, Christina and Kylie engage in a playful game called "My Best Ex," where they evaluate Christina's three ex-husbands on various traits. This segment offers listeners a humorous and candid look into Christina's past relationships, balancing the episode's heavier themes with levity.

Kylie Wing [30:32]: "Who is the best dressed?"

Christina Haack [30:38]: "Tark."

The game covers categories such as best cook, best kisser, and best driver, providing entertaining anecdotes and reinforcing the show's blend of personal drama and competition.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with reflections on the upcoming premiere of "The Flip Off," anticipation about the show's reception, and the personal developments of the guests. Christina and Kylie express excitement and nervousness about sharing their personal journeys with a broader audience, setting the stage for future episodes.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Christina Haack [04:19]: "It's by far the best thing I've ever worked on. It's the most fun, it's the most real, and very authentic."
• Kylie Wing [03:00]: "It seems like it's become a little bit more of a reality show where they're starting to dive into your personal lives, which we've all been waiting for."
• Christina Haack [08:45]: "Not even close. We're going to be going to trial."
• Heather Dubrow [21:27]: "They have to call you. I had a cell phone at Nordstrom, too, for strictly for clients."
• Kylie Wing [30:32]: "Who is the best dressed?"
• Christina Haack [30:38]: "Tark."

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Key Takeaways:

• Authenticity in Reality TV: Christina Haack emphasizes the importance of genuine interactions and real-life drama in reality television, marking a shift in HGTV's programming strategy.

• Balancing Personal and Professional Life: The episode highlights the challenges celebrities face in managing their personal lives amidst public scrutiny and professional commitments.

• Parenting Decisions: Discussions around parenting choices, such as ear piercings, reveal the complexities and considerations involved in making decisions that affect their children.

• Workplace Relationships: Insights into Heather Dubrow’s experience at Nordstrom provide a glimpse into the dynamics of workplace relationships and the fine line between professionalism and personal connections.

This episode offers a comprehensive look into Christina Haack and Kylie Wing’s lives, blending personal anecdotes with discussions about their professional endeavors, all while maintaining an engaging and candid tone.

Transcript

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[Kylie Wing]

I mean, I'm doing charity right now. I think of that twice in one year. You're doing charity Charity twice. What was the first one you went to dinner with me.

[Heather Dubrow]

Do people want to be in your circle? Buy your way with Jeff Lewis.

[Kylie Wing]

I think people are trying to get out. When I first started coming here, I was like, jeff Lewis.

[Jeff Lewis]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Kylie Wing]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has issues. In today's episode, Christina Haack and her friend Kylie Wing join the show. We talk about construction sites, ear piercings, and finding love in retail. Christina, welcome.

[Christina Haack]

Hi.

[Kylie Wing]

No, I didn't. So I've been. I've been promoting you all week as Christina Hall. Did we change our name again?

[Christina Haack]

We went back to my maiden name. It's actually Hawk. Like the bird.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, it's not hack, it's hawk.

[Christina Haack]

Yes. German. Two A's.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, so you have been married three times.

[Christina Haack]

Correct.

[Kylie Wing]

And you're barely 40.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay.

[Christina Haack]

Two and a half, I call it.

[Kylie Wing]

The reason I bring that up is because you have. You've had a very successful professional life and you've had, from what I know, at least three shows. Right. So you've had flip or flop for. I think that was it, 10 or 11 seasons.

[Christina Haack]

10 seasons.

[Kylie Wing]

And then you had Christina in the. Which you still do. Christina in the country. Right.

[Christina Haack]

It's over. It's two seasons.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. And then you. Christina on the coast, and that's been five seasons. Okay. But sometimes, and I can relate to this, sometimes your professional life gets eclipsed by your personal life.

[Christina Haack]

Correct.

[Kylie Wing]

Now, what I appreciate about this new show, which I'm fortunate enough to be involved in as a judge, that it's very interesting that hgtv, it seems for me now, I have no idea, but it seemed to me just being on.

[Christina Haack]

Set, we're allowed to talk about this.

[Kylie Wing]

You know, I don't know. So you can, you can, you can shut.

[Josh]

Well, no, they put out a teaser. You can see the teaser and the pressure.

[Kylie Wing]

You can shut me down.

[Christina Haack]

They talk about Jeff.

[Josh]

Yes, he's in the.

[Christina Haack]

I've seen that teaser.

[Josh]

No, you haven't seen him. But in the press release they name him Heather Dubrow and several other guests.

[Kylie Wing]

But we can't talk about anything that happens on the show.

[Christina Haack]

You know, everyone was very worried about me coming on today, so I'm just making sure I'm not crossing any lines.

[Kylie Wing]

I've received multiple emails about what Jeff.

[Christina Haack]

Can and cannot say.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, first of all, it's a new show, which I think is gonna be incredible. And again, I've had first hand experience watching it and it's called the Flip off. And it's Wednesday, January 29th, 8:00pm yeah.

[Christina Haack]

Why aren't you coming to my premiere party?

[Kylie Wing]

When is it?

[Christina Haack]

You RSVP'd now.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, can I tell you something? I'll tell you why. When is your premiere party?

[Heather Dubrow]

Wednesday the 29th, because.

[Kylie Wing]

You know why I told you? Because I was supposed to get a hair transplant a week from tomorrow, but I'm not. I canceled it. So I can go now.

[Christina Haack]

Okay, we'd love to have.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah, no, no, I can go now, so.

[Christina Haack]

But why can't you come after a hair transplant?

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, you. Have you seen how crazy people look afterwards?

[Christina Haack]

I think it goes away in like three days. I do know.

[Kylie Wing]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Christina Haack]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

You know someone who got one.

[Christina Haack]

I think it goes away like three days. You'll be fine.

[Kylie Wing]

What if your ex husband's.

[Christina Haack]

I'm not saying I'm out.

[Kylie Wing]

What? So I've watched HD HGTV for a dozen years. It's very much kind of how to type shows. Right? It's more about the process, the before, the after. I've never seen HGTV do this, but it seems like in this show that it's become a little bit more of a reality show where they're starting to kind of really dive into your personal lives, which, by the way, we've all fucking been waiting for this for a dozen years. It's about time. Hgtv.

[Christina Haack]

I've wanted to do it for a dozen years. It's. I've been watching all the cuts and it's. It's by far the best thing I've ever worked on. It's the most fun, it's the most real and very real. It's very authentic.

[Kylie Wing]

So tell us the premise of the show because that's kind of crazy too.

[Christina Haack]

Right. So it was supposed to be Tarek and his wife Heather versus me and my ex husband, Josh.

[Kylie Wing]

Your third husband, just to clarify, two and a half.

[Christina Haack]

He was.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, yeah.

[Christina Haack]

So I would just say two and a half husbands. So the half. Anyways, we started filming. We filmed together, I think only three times. And then we split up. But the show must go on. And it was so much better without him. And then really, Kylie kind of took over his place.

[Kylie Wing]

Wait, is Kylie on the show?

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Oh, good.

[Kylie Wing]

I didn't see you there. You weren't there the day I was there.

[Christina Haack]

I was so bummed she couldn't be there.

[Heather Dubrow]

I was devastated.

[Christina Haack]

This is your biggest fan.

[Kylie Wing]

Well, I'm supposed to shoot on Sunday. Are you around?

[Christina Haack]

She'll be there.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, yeah, she's on.

[Christina Haack]

She's in the whole show.

[Josh]

But the premise of the show, you and Tarek both purchased actual homes to flip.

[Christina Haack]

Right.

[Kylie Wing]

Like, with your money, you purchased a home and Tarik purchased a home.

[Christina Haack]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

Tarek and Heather did.

[Christina Haack]

Right.

[Kylie Wing]

And then now the whole premise is it's who can remodel the house, sell the house and make the most money.

[Christina Haack]

Correct.

[Kylie Wing]

And whoever makes the most money wins the game, the show, the season, the challenge, whatever.

[Christina Haack]

Which. Yeah, which. That's typical hgtv. But the difference between this show is I've never filmed a show, and I'm sure you have, where they just roll all the time. In my other shows, it's like, stop, start, cut, like. And you know they're going to cut out all the good things because the show really is the show behind the show. It's really what actually happens when the cameras aren't rolling with the clients, with each other, with the coworkers. Like, there's so many amazing moments that happen that never make the air. So I feel like this show does a better job of actually showing what really happens.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, so now I'm a little worried because when you and I met for the first time, we were, like, talking shit about everyone and everything.

[Christina Haack]

And I thought, stop talking.

[Kylie Wing]

And I was like, they're not gonna use this. They're not gonna use this. This is not. They don't do this on hgtv. Now I'm fucking worried.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah. Yeah. You said nothing bad.

[Kylie Wing]

Are you sure?

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay.

[Christina Haack]

I would have.

[Kylie Wing]

Like you would have. Okay. Are you sure?

[Christina Haack]

I'm positive.

[Heather Dubrow]

I'm a little worried. Josh is coming for me.

[Christina Haack]

He probably is.

[Kylie Wing]

And how. Okay, so obviously your separation is fresh.

[Christina Haack]

Yes. Seven months now.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. And then how are you guys getting along? You and Josh?

[Christina Haack]

We don't get along.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, so it's not getting along. It's not good.

[Christina Haack]

You're seeing how I go after him on social. No. Anyways, yeah, we don't get along.

[Kylie Wing]

How long were you actually married to Josh?

[Christina Haack]

Less than three years.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, well, that's not. I mean, that's a.

[Josh]

That's a decent run.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah, it's a decent run for you.

[Christina Haack]

I mean, that was way longer than I wanted to stay in it.

[Josh]

So how long did you date before you got married?

[Christina Haack]

Not long.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, sue got married quick.

[Josh]

She's counting on her fingers.

[Kylie Wing]

I don't know how many months.

[Christina Haack]

Eight.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, well, that's not. That's not terrible.

[Christina Haack]

He's cringing.

[Josh]

It's a little quick.

[Kylie Wing]

It's not like eight weeks, eight months. You could. I mean, I obviously. She clearly didn't Obviously. Need a little more time to get to know people. Yes.

[Christina Haack]

Okay. I learned a lot. And they're like very big lessons and I actually feel them this time. That will never happen again.

[Kylie Wing]

So your first marriage, you were married for a while. Was it seven years?

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, we were together for 10.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. And then that's it.

[Christina Haack]

10 years.

[Kylie Wing]

And then how quickly did you met aunt Antstead? Right after. Was that right after your separation?

[Christina Haack]

About a year and a half after.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. And then how long were you married to Ant?

[Christina Haack]

Oh, not long. I don't know. Less than two years.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. And you had a baby?

[Christina Haack]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

Is it Hudson? Yeah, and he's five.

[Christina Haack]

He's wonderful. Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

So you have three children? Yes, from two marriages. I mean, thank God.

[Christina Haack]

Two baby daddies. Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Thank God you didn't have a baby with Josh.

[Christina Haack]

Oh my God. Thank God.

[Kylie Wing]

Could you imagine?

[Heather Dubrow]

Biggest blessing.

[Christina Haack]

No.

[Kylie Wing]

And you hired. I read that you hired Laura Wasser.

[Christina Haack]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, so for those of you who do not know, she is the disso queen, the legend. Yeah. She represents all the big celebrities in these divorces.

[Christina Haack]

She just did. Ben and Jen. Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

I can't imagine what Laura Wasser must cost.

[Christina Haack]

Oh, yes.

[Kylie Wing]

Christina. Wow. And then are you. Are you making headway with this, like settlement? Are you guys. Have you come to an agreement?

[Christina Haack]

Not even close. We're going to be going to trial.

[Josh]

I hear, for a three year marriage.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah. He doesn't want to do mediation. Oh, it's going to be fun.

[Josh]

Trial with Laura is going to be cheap.

[Kylie Wing]

Have you been ordered to pay any of the attorney's fees?

[Christina Haack]

Oh, of course, yes.

[Kylie Wing]

So you already went to court and then they ordered.

[Christina Haack]

Well, no, they haven't. Ordered me yet. But he's been asking. But we shall.

[Kylie Wing]

That doesn't mean shit.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, I know. So yes, I've already had to give a little something. But then he bought a Bentley.

[Kylie Wing]

So what?

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, I live and attorney's fees, Bentley. But he also doesn't have a job.

[Heather Dubrow]

So no one knows how he's living right now.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, but he drives a Bentley, so he's pulling a lot of chicks.

[Kylie Wing]

And obviously Laura knows about all of this and she'll bring that up when you go to court. Okay. Yeah. Wow. So it's been a little rough around here in Los Angeles, as you know. Oh, by the way, on Sunday if I look pale, yesterday my spray tanner canceled.

[Christina Haack]

Oh, I spray tan every week too.

[Kylie Wing]

Because of the evacuations.

[Christina Haack]

Well, don't you have a backup?

[Josh]

No, I didn't think about the backup.

[Christina Haack]

You need a backup.

[Josh]

You do.

[Christina Haack]

You need a backup.

[Kylie Wing]

I do have a backup. Maybe I need to call her.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, no, you need to spray tan before Sunday.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah, I know. Because between you and Heather, I'm gonna look like an albino.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, I don't like that either. That's not okay.

[Kylie Wing]

You're spray tanned. Heather spray tann Tarex tan.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, he spray tans.

[Kylie Wing]

I bought some Shane. Shane did for me. What did we get?

[Josh]

Yeah, the one that Glam by Pam suggested.

[Kylie Wing]

What is it called? Laura Mercier.

[Christina Haack]

What's the one you like?

[Kylie Wing]

I did like a bought a bronzer.

[Heather Dubrow]

You gotta do San Tropez. It's like the ultra tan. It's the blue bottle and it's a really quick formula and you just apply it with a mitt. It's perfect.

[Christina Haack]

You're not orange.

[Josh]

I'm not applying him with a mitt.

[Kylie Wing]

I think I just.

[Heather Dubrow]

You couldn't do yourself.

[Kylie Wing]

I'm just gonna. I'll put it on my face and my neck and I'll just wear gloves.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, the mitt prevents the like the white glove situation.

[Kylie Wing]

But I also have the Chaz Dean bronzer.

[Josh]

I love the Chastine. I'll try and bronze you.

[Kylie Wing]

So I feel like I'm gonna.

[Heather Dubrow]

So you're not a mobile spray tan.

[Christina Haack]

How are you not doing that?

[Kylie Wing]

What about Monica? But I don't want Monica to see my penis.

[Christina Haack]

Well, can't we just wear like. I mean, we're not gonna be like naked on the show.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, you're right.

[Christina Haack]

Boxers.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, you're right. You're right.

[Christina Haack]

I forgot about that.

[Heather Dubrow]

You only need to do your face and your neck.

[Kylie Wing]

Well, and my. I think my arms and my hands.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, I Don't like when the hands are pale.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. So I've got to get spray tanned before Sunday because I was worried because we already did one shooting day. I had longer hair and I was tan. And then when I go back on Sunday, they're gonna be like, oh, God, he's sick. Something's wrong with him. Because I cut my hair short because I was supposed to get a hair transplant a week from tomorrow.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

I like the haircut, though.

[Heather Dubrow]

I feel the same way every time we film. My extensions are a different length because I get them bumped up. Grown out.

[Christina Haack]

Yep. But the tan. The tan, it really. It doesn't matter about the hair. This is the tan.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. We're gonna. We're gonna deal with this today.

[Josh]

Today.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. And the other thing, too, is I have no car because on Monday I got a flat tire and I took it into the Range Rover dealer, and then I got it back. When did I get it back? Tuesday. I got it back Tuesday. And then what happened was I. Was it Wednesday that we ended up back in the shop?

[Josh]

Yeah, why?

[Kylie Wing]

So I got it back Tuesday, and then Wednesday it started losing air again. The same brand new tire that I just bought. So I took it back in on Wednesday and I said, look, this thing is losing air. I don't know what happened. And they accused me of being on construction sites. Could you imagine?

[Heather Dubrow]

I know.

[Kylie Wing]

I was like, no, I'm not on any construction sites. Why would you think that? And so Shane blamed it on their tire.

[Josh]

Yeah. I said, clearly it's an error with the installation. It's a brand new tire and it's. Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

They were trying to make you buy another one.

[Kylie Wing]

Well, they said they were gonna patch the tire, and then they couldn't. And then they got a new tire. I don't know. So what happened was Wednesday I drop it back off, and I said, I'll be back in the morning to pick it up. So yesterday I go to pick up my car. The dealership is closed and service all closed because of everyone. Evacuations. Well, can you let me know? Could somebody call me or text me or whatever? Because I went to the dealership to pick up my car. They're holding it hostage. Yes. So I have no Range Rover, no spray tan.

[Christina Haack]

Aren't they gonna get you a driver?

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

Okay.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. And I've been.

[Christina Haack]

You're gonna be okay. Yeah. We're gonna get a spray tan. We're gonna get a driver.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

We're gonna go to dinner after. You gotta be looking at your best.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay.

[Christina Haack]

There's good people watching at Oceans.

[Kylie Wing]

Well, don't tell where we're going by the ocean. So the flip off is the 29th of January. Is it six episodes? I thought it was seven.

[Josh]

It's six.

[Christina Haack]

I thought it was eight. The first and the last are two hours, though. I mean, my ADHD, two hours.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, there's no way we can fast forward.

[Josh]

Why didn't they come back?

[Kylie Wing]

We'll fast forward, Tarik.

[Heather Dubrow]

The first episode's so good.

[Kylie Wing]

Let's just fast forward Tarik and Heather. We'll just watch our parts. That'll get it down to like, an hour. Yeah, I actually will say they're gonna.

[Christina Haack]

Be there, though, so they might get offended when I keep fast forwarding through them.

[Heather Dubrow]

I know we'll be able to.

[Kylie Wing]

I was kind of expecting a little bit more, like, cattiness and rivalry and all that now. I think Taric is a poor winner and a poor loser. Yeah, he is.

[Christina Haack]

He is.

[Kylie Wing]

And I think he's funny. I liked him, and I feel like there's a bit. He's very competitive to Taric. Like, it's kind of obnoxious.

[Christina Haack]

It's very obnoxious.

[Kylie Wing]

Now, Heather, I really like. I mean, I like Tark, but I really love Heather. And I will say. Cause you know, my loyalty is to you.

[Christina Haack]

I will say, I know you like me better.

[Kylie Wing]

I like you a lot. And so I was asking her a lot about you, and she was actually sincerely, very nice. Yes, she likes you.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, no, we've come a long way. I actually did some stuff with them yesterday, and it was so fun. And I was literally thinking the whole time, actually really like her. Like, I actually genuinely like her. Like, I would hang out with her if, you know. Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

She wasn't married to your ex.

[Christina Haack]

Yes. I really need to stay together.

[Kylie Wing]

She's fine. She's fine. Well, maybe we should just go out with her.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, I agree. Yes. She's much more fun than him.

[Kylie Wing]

So you don't find out until the end, obviously, who wins.

[Christina Haack]

Right.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, if he wins.

[Christina Haack]

Oh, God, he's gonna be so annoying.

[Kylie Wing]

He's gonna rub it in your face for the rest of your life.

[Christina Haack]

Why is he such a poor winner?

[Kylie Wing]

But I just. But remember the. So there's all these different challenges. You do. And by the way, the designs are incredible. And I even said to you, your design aesthetic has really leveled up. I mean, I love. I thought your work was fantastic. I thought their work was fantastic. I think if you're an avid HGTV viewer, you're gonna Love the designs, but also, I kind of love the whole competition element. But you have to remember it's not about the design. Right. She could have painted it a white box, and it's who makes the most money.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

So in the end, it doesn't fucking. The design doesn't really matter.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's what's.

[Christina Haack]

I'm not gonna give anything.

[Kylie Wing]

Were you a judge?

[Heather Dubrow]

No.

[Christina Haack]

No.

[Kylie Wing]

So what is your. What is your participation?

[Christina Haack]

She's my design partner, so we have a business together too. She's a designer.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. All right, I'm getting it now.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

But it's. Oh. Why was Heather Dubrow named first? So what happens is it's special guest stars. So tell me.

[Christina Haack]

Maybe. Cause she's the first judge.

[Kylie Wing]

You're in the acting world. So tell me this. So it says there's like 10 or six, seven judges, right? It says Heather Dubrow first, but then in the end it says and Jeff Lewis. So which one you want? You want to be and.

[Christina Haack]

Or plus or with? Yeah, like, that's like.

[Kylie Wing]

I don't want to be first.

[Josh]

No, you're the grandfather.

[Kylie Wing]

I want to be last. Does everyone agree?

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Oscar.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

You saved the best for last.

[Unnamed Speaker]

Same goes for. Well, I don't want to bring it up because you're gonna make fun of me, but marching band is the same way.

[Heather Dubrow]

Wait, what comes last in the marching band?

[Unnamed Speaker]

You want to go last because one of the.

[Heather Dubrow]

Is it an instrument? Like, is it a set arrangement of how the instruments play?

[Christina Haack]

Whoever the best is.

[Heather Dubrow]

Okay.

[Unnamed Speaker]

Performer wise, how they line you up per school is. Yeah. They don't tell you, but that's how it goes.

[Kylie Wing]

But we've given up marching band. He has.

[Unnamed Speaker]

We have.

[Kylie Wing]

Right. So when did you graduate?

[Unnamed Speaker]

From what?

[Kylie Wing]

High school.

[Unnamed Speaker]

Oh, high school, 2016.

[Christina Haack]

Oh, wow. Baby.

[Kylie Wing]

So for eight years, he has a baby. So for eight years, he's been going back to the marching band reunions. But we have agreed that this.

[Heather Dubrow]

Pacific Marching Band reunions.

[Kylie Wing]

Don't even get me started.

[Unnamed Speaker]

It's a whole other hour conversation we don't need to have.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah, we don't need to do that. But what we've done is he has committed to me that this was. Or last year was the last year. We're done. We're moving on. Because I'm just watching out for him.

[Unnamed Speaker]

My band director retired, so there's no reason to go back now.

[Heather Dubrow]

Okay.

[Kylie Wing]

Is that the reason? There's. There's many reasons not to go back. Many reasons. Not just. But. Yeah, that's another conversation that's My main.

[Unnamed Speaker]

Reason not to go back. But I like to go back and see all my Drumline friends that I don't get to see often.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, by the way, maybe you asked Christina and Kylie advice because you found someone at Target you want to ask out.

[Unnamed Speaker]

Oh, Target.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, this is what I heard. These are the rumors around SiriusXM.

[Josh]

This is the gossip in the hallway.

[Kylie Wing]

First of all, what happened at Hollister?

[Unnamed Speaker]

Oh, Hollister. I completely forgot about Hollister. It's.

[Josh]

We didn't.

[Unnamed Speaker]

It's funny.

[Christina Haack]

I worked there in college. Hollister's still around.

[Josh]

That's where the hot people were.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, Hollister's back.

[Kylie Wing]

Funny, I don't.

[Christina Haack]

I worked there in, like, 04.

[Josh]

I mean, they still exist.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, I feel like they've had a little bit of a rebrand. Abercrombie, too.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Abra's taken over, by the way.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, so we're going back to Hollister now?

[Unnamed Speaker]

No. Their jeans are so incredibly comfortable. That's all I go back for is the jeans. I put my head down because I don't want to see that guy. I hope he's not there.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, so what happened? Explain to Kristina and Kylie.

[Christina Haack]

Is it still loud and dark in there?

[Unnamed Speaker]

So in Hollister, there was a worker there that I thought was really cute. So instead of going up to him and asking him out, I wrote my name and number down on a piece of paper, which I had to find because I didn't have on me, and I gave it to him and he never texted me back. Target is different.

[Christina Haack]

You had a pre written piece of paper with your phone number on it.

[Unnamed Speaker]

I had to go find. Oh, I thought you like pocket and a pen, so I had to go to a pen store. A whole other thing.

[Christina Haack]

You had to go to a pen store?

[Unnamed Speaker]

Pen store, yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, to buy a pen. To write down.

[Unnamed Speaker]

To buy a pen. To write down my pen.

[Kylie Wing]

So what? I suggested he just go and talk to the person, and then if. If he's feeling some sort of vibe, then ask the person for his number. But I don't think.

[Heather Dubrow]

What do you think? So how did you. You just randomly delivered your piece of paper with your phone number to this person? Or was there any interaction before then?

[Unnamed Speaker]

There was interaction before we were talking. I sensed the vibe, so.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, so you did pick up a vibe.

[Unnamed Speaker]

I did. There was a little vibe. Target's different, though. Okay.

[Kylie Wing]

But the vibe was reciprocal.

[Unnamed Speaker]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

It wasn't.

[Josh]

Just not a sexy environment.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, I don't now, how do you go from dark, dark, sexy Hollister to Target with the bright lights in the.

[Heather Dubrow]

Fluorescence and those khakis in that red polo.

[Kylie Wing]

You have to have good skin to look good in Target.

[Josh]

Yeah, I can't chop.

[Unnamed Speaker]

She was really pretty, the girl that was helping me, and I just could not stop staring at her beautiful brown eyes. And it was. It was just a really good conversation.

[Kylie Wing]

Yes.

[Unnamed Speaker]

It went from, hey, how's the sale for today? To hey, what are you doing later today? And it just.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, she asked you? Yeah, I like.

[Unnamed Speaker]

Yeah, it was a conversation question. Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Yes.

[Christina Haack]

This sounds like a very different type of person. So we have a guy at Hollister, which is like, moody, sexy environment, and now we have a girl at Target.

[Unnamed Speaker]

I'm bisexual.

[Christina Haack]

I understand that, but. But that just seems like a whole different type of person in general. Like, whole other side of the spectrum between Target and Hollister.

[Unnamed Speaker]

So I shouldn't be asking people out at Target then?

[Christina Haack]

No, that. It just depends on their different. That's what I figure out, what your type is.

[Josh]

I feel like you didn't ask her out. It'd be weird now.

[Unnamed Speaker]

Well, I didn't ask her out because my question was, should I be asking people who are working in retail.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah. Period.

[Josh]

For sure.

[Unnamed Speaker]

While they're working.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah. I used to get. I worked at Nordstrom for a number of years, and I used to get set up. I mainly helped women, but they would, like, set me up with their sons.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, there's nothing wrong with that.

[Kylie Wing]

Really?

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

That's good.

[Kylie Wing]

Did guys. Did a guy. At any point in time. How long were you at Nordstrom?

[Heather Dubrow]

Like, five years.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. Anyone ever just hand you their number?

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, here's the thing. When you're like a personal stylist in Nordstrom, you're checking someone out, you are inevitably taking their number because you're looking up to see if they're already a client in the system. So it's kind of.

[Christina Haack]

But you're not gonna call.

[Kylie Wing]

It be unprofessional for you to call someone.

[Heather Dubrow]

They have to call you. I had it. I had a. Like, I had a cell phone at Nordstrom, too, for. Strictly for clients.

[Christina Haack]

But you're not out there calling people.

[Heather Dubrow]

Be like, hey, no, but if I ever had to, like, cross over into other departments and stuff, like, you know, I'm helping a client and her husband is. You know, she wants me to buy stuff for her husband. No, she wants me to buy stuff for her husband too. I'd go into the men's department, and that's where I would get hit on.

[Kylie Wing]

Where are the hottest gay Guys at the makeup counter at Nordstrom?

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Are they all gay that worked at. Is it like the flight attendants?

[Heather Dubrow]

No, like. No, actually, no. A lot of the guys that worked at the rail or, like, in the men's department. I mean, we would, like. Retail's a whole different beast. When you work that many hours and weekends, you go out hard after, like.

[Kylie Wing]

On Mondays, so you Nordstrom people go out and party.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's real incestuous. Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

So you guys are fucking each other. Did you ever sleep with anyone that worked at Nordstrom?

[Heather Dubrow]

Well, my husband. We never worked at Nordstrom at the same time, but he worked at Nordstrom, too, so.

[Christina Haack]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

Wow. Have you ever met anyone at Nordstrom?

[Christina Haack]

No, I don't really go to the mall.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, you don't go to the mall?

[Josh]

The mall comes to her.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, I like to order online.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah, it's a little easier.

[Heather Dubrow]

No, actually, I can't step foot in a mall now after working retail for so many years.

[Kylie Wing]

I saw pictures of your beautiful home, which I think I'm gonna see this Sunday. Right. Do we get to keep that in the divorce?

[Christina Haack]

Oh, yes.

[Kylie Wing]

Good.

[Christina Haack]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

Because that's a gorgeous house.

[Heather Dubrow]

That's a must.

[Christina Haack]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

But what about the one in Tennessee?

[Christina Haack]

I'm selling that one, but I just don't want it anymore.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. How come you don't? Do you not go to Tennessee anymore?

[Christina Haack]

No, it's too hard to go back and forth.

[Kylie Wing]

Was that a place where you and Josh would go together?

[Christina Haack]

Yes.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay.

[Christina Haack]

I understand he lives in Tennessee, too, so he can stay in Tennessee.

[Kylie Wing]

Got it.

[Christina Haack]

He can stay in California.

[Kylie Wing]

You know, I dated someone for five and a half years, and Palm Springs was kind of our thing. And when it was over, I just didn't feel like going there anymore. Is that kind of the way it feels for you?

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

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[Christina Haack]

5, 5, 9 and 14.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. Do you have children, Kylie?

[Heather Dubrow]

I have three, too.

[Kylie Wing]

How old are your kids?

[Heather Dubrow]

12, 5 and 2.

[Kylie Wing]

I think Monroe did something to me. My daughter's 8 and I think she was trying to be shady yesterday. So I'm working in my office. There's like four of us working, right? And she came in and she's like, daddy, I have a new game on my iPad. She goes, remember when you used to design houses? And I was like, I go, excuse me, what do you think I'm doing right now? She minimizes what I am doing.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, that's typical.

[Kylie Wing]

And at lunch she hit me up, which I was going to ask you ladies. At lunch, she hit me up, which I didn't think we were going to have this conversation. Daddy, I would like to get my ears pierced. My friends are getting their ears pierced. Chloe's getting her ears pierced. I'm like, I don't, I thought we talked about somewhere between 10 and 13. What do you think, girls?

[Heather Dubrow]

My daughter was about eight when she got her first. She's got two holes now and she's 12.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah. Taylor got her second piercings at 12, but I think the first we did. I think she was eight.

[Kylie Wing]

Shit.

[Christina Haack]

Sorry.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah, I was hoping we could, we could postpone this for like two more years. But if her friends keep getting their ears pierced, it's gonna be a problem.

[Josh]

If Chloe has it, she needs it, right?

[Heather Dubrow]

If she's willing to, I mean, it's actually. Well, no, it's more the sound, I feel like of the gun, but you.

[Christina Haack]

Don'T have to do the gun.

[Heather Dubrow]

No. Yeah, you can take her to like.

[Christina Haack]

A real piercing place.

[Josh]

Yeah, you can do it like the Parent Trap.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah. The needle, it actually doesn't hurt.

[Heather Dubrow]

It's more.

[Kylie Wing]

Which, which one should we do?

[Heather Dubrow]

I would do the needle. It's more cleaner.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

I got to talk to, well, when he starts talking to me again, I got to talk to the her other dad and we got to figure this out.

[Christina Haack]

But I, I, he's not talking to you right Now.

[Kylie Wing]

No, he's mad at me right now.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, it happened.

[Josh]

Have you had the conversation? What. What do you wanted to talk about?

[Kylie Wing]

No, because you know it was nothing.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

So sometimes there's a lot of drama, like I need to talk to you and then.

[Christina Haack]

And then they never do.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah. Or it's nothing. You know what I mean? It's a little bit of. It's like a little bit of gaslighting.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Do you have that with your. With your baby daddies?

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

How do you co parent who's okay.

[Christina Haack]

So I have the same custody schedule.

[Kylie Wing]

Oh, you do. You've got week on, week off?

[Christina Haack]

I do 2. 2, 5.

[Kylie Wing]

5.

[Josh]

Do you have all the kids at once?

[Kylie Wing]

We used to do two. Two.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, it's when they're young, I feel like when they get a little bit older I can do week on. Do you do week on, week off?

[Kylie Wing]

We just started last year when she was seven.

[Christina Haack]

Yep.

[Kylie Wing]

Like seven and a half. I think it's working out great.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, it's a lot easier than Monday, Tuesday, then Wednesday, Thursday.

[Kylie Wing]

I know.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

But we have a. The one thing that we came up with which actually is great is we've got this two hour like floating. A floating day where I can take her for two hours. So I don't go a whole seven days without it is a long time. So ears. So you think. Yes. Ears pierced.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

But you know what? Once you actually get there, she may totally chicken out.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

And chicken out.

[Christina Haack]

Tyler already had her first piercing. At the second piercing she almost chickened out. And I was like, you already have it.

[Heather Dubrow]

I had to take Winter to get her first hole redone like three times. Because then once you get the earrings, taking them out or having to change them for anything, they. That's a whole nother freak out.

[Kylie Wing]

I'm not ready for this.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, you have to do the spray. Make sure they don't get infected.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Let's postpone this another year or two if we can. All right. I want to play a game with you. It's called my best ex. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to ask you a question and you tell me which ex of your three exes, Tarik, Ant or Josh, which one applies? All right. Who is the best dressed.

[Christina Haack]

Tark?

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. Who is the best cook?

[Christina Haack]

No. Josh.

[Kylie Wing]

Josh. Okay. Best travel companion?

[Christina Haack]

None.

[Kylie Wing]

None.

[Christina Haack]

None myself.

[Kylie Wing]

If you had to give an answer. Who's the best of the worst? Okay, best in a crisis?

[Christina Haack]

None.

[Kylie Wing]

Who do you think would be best?

[Christina Haack]

I don't know. I guess. And. Okay, consider the source.

[Kylie Wing]

Best orderer in a restaurant.

[Christina Haack]

None Me.

[Kylie Wing]

Me.

[Josh]

They can't cook. They can't order me.

[Christina Haack]

You see a trend here?

[Kylie Wing]

All right, you have to answer this. Best kisser.

[Christina Haack]

Oh, I can't.

[Josh]

She's gagging.

[Christina Haack]

I'm sorry.

[Kylie Wing]

If you had to. If you had to pick someone. Best kisser.

[Christina Haack]

I. I can't. I can't. I can't.

[Kylie Wing]

Really? What do you think, Kylie?

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, God. I mean, honestly, I have secondhand cringe.

[Christina Haack]

I just can't. I can't.

[Kylie Wing]

So who do you. She's not gonna answer this. So who do you think was the best sex, Kylie?

[Christina Haack]

Oh, God.

[Heather Dubrow]

Oh, God.

[Kylie Wing]

Who would you guess? Josh?

[Heather Dubrow]

No.

[Kylie Wing]

No. Oh, Christina said no ant. Ant. Oh, maybe ant. Tarik.

[Josh]

Her head is on the table.

[Heather Dubrow]

I would.

[Kylie Wing]

What do you think, Kylie?

[Christina Haack]

Oh, God.

[Kylie Wing]

So it's got to be. She said no to Josh, so it's.

[Christina Haack]

Got to be no ant or tard.

[Heather Dubrow]

I. Honestly, I don't. Knowing you now, having met all three of them briefly, I just. I literally can't even imagine you with any of them. So it's. It's just so hard to even.

[Kylie Wing]

Well, sex had to be good at one time, right?

[Heather Dubrow]

Okay, well, if we're gonna go by that logic, then I would guess tar, right. Is the longest.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. She's laughing. She didn't say no. Okay. Best driver. Best driver.

[Christina Haack]

Best driver.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. Best kept. Like, most hygienic. I think it's Tarek, right? Yeah, I think it's tar.

[Josh]

He gets Sprite dance. He's.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah. He's the most.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah, he's pretty well put together. Yeah. He's also probably the most vain. Huh?

[Christina Haack]

Oh, yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah. But he looks good. Best gift giver. Okay. Best sense of humor.

[Christina Haack]

I don't like giving so many to Tarik.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay, so that's Tarik. He is funny.

[Christina Haack]

I won't give any to Josh.

[Kylie Wing]

He's funny.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

We'll just give him food.

[Heather Dubrow]

Yeah.

[Kylie Wing]

Best liar.

[Christina Haack]

Josh.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

There you go.

[Kylie Wing]

Yay. Josh got one best hair.

[Josh]

They all quit. Good hair.

[Christina Haack]

Yeah, they all have pretty good hair. The best hair.

[Kylie Wing]

I mean, one of them got a transplant, obviously.

[Heather Dubrow]

I. I would say Josh. He had a thick head of hair.

[Kylie Wing]

Yeah.

[Christina Haack]

We just can't give him any of that.

[Heather Dubrow]

I know.

[Kylie Wing]

Okay. All right. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis live every weekday on Sirius XM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM app.