Crystal Minkoff, Joey Zauzig, & Doug Budin: Joey 2.0

Summary

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Podcast Summary: "Jeff Lewis Has Issues"

Episode: Crystal Minkoff, Joey Zauzig, & Doug Budin: Joey 2.0
Date: January 16, 2026
Host: Jeff Lewis
Guests: Crystal Kung Minkoff, Joey Zauzig, Doug Budin, Paul, Diane
Main Theme:
An episode packed with classic "Jeff Lewis Has Issues" honesty, where Jeff and his roundtable delve into recent personal drama, group dynamics, friendship boundaries, Joey’s controversial behavior, and a quest for self-improvement—“Joey 2.0”—all wrapped up with the group’s signature wit and banter.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into Jeff Lewis’s eventful social and professional circle as he and his guests recapitulate a tense birthday dinner, air relationship grievances, dissect friendship dynamics, and confront Joey Zauzig about his recurrent unprofessional antics. The recurring question: Can Joey 2.0 emerge and restore the group’s trust? The conversation veers through real and hilarious moments, ending on a playful spelling bee challenge and candid listener calls.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Aftermath of Doug's Birthday Dinner

[01:00 – 08:00]

• Crystal's Anxiety: Crystal opens up about the panic of being potentially late for Jeff's live show, showing the high expectations Jeff sets for his circle.
  • "When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops." — Crystal ([00:30])
• Dining Recap: The group raves about Italian food at Barbarella, with special appreciation for the lasagna and white tortellinis.
• Dinner Turns into Intervention:
  • Joey confesses that what was supposed to be Doug’s birthday turned into an “ambush” to address his problematic behavior.
  • "I felt kind of ambushed a little bit." — Joey ([03:20])
  • Jeff sees value in group interventions: “An intervention is powerful, especially amongst multiple people that can back you up.” ([03:49])
• Loyalty Dispute: Joey claims he’s always loyal and disappoints when friendships feel one-sided. Crystal and Jeff affirm that, despite behind-the-back conversations, support for Joey is genuine.

2. Confronting Joey: Professionalism and Repeated Issues

[08:00 – 14:00]

• Jeff's Ultimatum: Jeff clarifies that repeated unprofessional behavior at paid group events could mean Joey’s exclusion from future gigs.
  • “If you do it again for a fourth time, I’m a fucking idiot for hiring you again.” — Jeff ([10:22])
• Joey 2.0: Joey vows to change, though admits he's still figuring out what that means.
  • “Joey 2.0 was created this morning, so I'm still figuring this out.” — Joey ([11:17])
• Pressure to Perform: Joey reflects on whether he feels pressure to be “wild, crazy Joey” for the group. He acknowledges needing to address personal habits beyond just alcohol.

3. Behavioral Examples: Candid Incidents

[14:00 – 18:00]

• Chump Con Brunch:
  • Jeff lists Joey’s unprofessional choices—like staying out past 4 AM and then underperforming at a paid event.
• LIOTTE Influencer Event Fight:
  • Joey and Paul recount an alcohol-fueled conflict, with Paul noting Joey often “gets snappy” needlessly.
• Casino Disruption:
  • Jeff: “You actually disrupted my evening with your behavior... I would never want to disrespect [the hosts] and become an issue at their event. You were an issue.” ([17:12])
  • Joey tries to clarify he wasn’t disrespectful, just attention-seeking.

4. Friendship Boundaries and Emotional Labor

[18:00 – 21:00]

• Dating and Toxic Cycles:
  • Jeff candidly admits: “Since I’ve known you, every relationship has been toxic and negative and dramatic and a rollercoaster... I can’t do this again.” ([19:05])
  • Joey objects, but admits that friendships evolve with romantic changes.
• Paul on Patterns:
  • Paul observes Jeff shouldn't expect Joey to change if he keeps enabling the cycle.

5. Group Dynamics and Resolutions

[21:00 – 27:00]

• Real Friends vs. Reality Show:
  • The group notes that unlike on TV, unresolved issues can result in real-life “unchumping” from the group.
  • Crystal observes the unique blurring of work and play boundaries within Jeff's circle.

6. Listener Call—Romantic Tension?

[24:46 – 28:20]

• Are Joey & Jeff Secretly in Love?
  • A listener asks if Joey is in love with Jeff. Joey responds with humor, refusing to close the door, while Jeff is firm: “I think we’re off the table.” ([25:27])
  • This exchange showcases both the affection and limits within their friendship, and the banter continues with flirtatious jokes about group dynamics.

7. Spelling Bee with Joey Z

[34:12 – 40:00]

• Joey in the Hot Seat:
  • Jeff hosts a tongue-in-cheek spelling bee, challenging Joey with seventh-grade words.
  • Joey’s uneven spelling skills provide comic relief, but also endear him to the group and listeners.
  • Standout: “I'm a personality, not a speller!” — Joey ([38:50])
  • Crystal and Diane offer encouragement and gentle ribbing.

8. Listener Feedback: Is the Group Too Hard on Joey?

[40:00 – 42:35]

• A Listener's Change of Heart:
  • Donna from Cleveland admits Joey “grew on her,” though she once found him trying too hard.
  • She offers spelling advice: “I before E, except after C.”
  • Jeff explains that tough love comes from wanting Joey to remain part of the group, unlike others who’ve been unceremoniously “unchumped.” “He’s had so many damn chances.” — Jeff ([41:44])

9. Joey’s Status in the Group & Final Thoughts

[44:12 – 47:23]

• Real Family, Real Conflict:
  • Crystal and Jeff reflect that, despite TV-like drama, their group is genuinely close and supportive.
  • Guests hope Joey will use his “chances” to step up and reset as Joey 2.0.
  • The group ends with optimism for the new year and excitement for upcoming events.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “An intervention is powerful, especially amongst, you know, multiple people that can back you up.” — Jeff ([03:49])
• “Joey 2.0 was created this morning, so I'm still figuring this out.” — Joey ([11:17])
• “If you do it again for a fourth time, I’m a fucking idiot for hiring you again.” — Jeff ([10:22])
• “You actually disrupted my evening with your behavior.” — Jeff ([17:12])
• “I'm a personality, not a speller!” — Joey ([38:50])
• “If we didn't care, Donna, we would just move on. As you know, there have been other people that have been unchumped abruptly, swiftly, without any sort of conversation. That's not Joey's situation.” — Jeff ([41:44])
• "If someone's a bad apple, they have to be removed from the group." — Jeff ([46:15])
• "This group is a group of real friends and family." — Crystal ([46:38])

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• 01:00 – 03:20 — Recap of Doug's birthday & introduction to dinner "intervention"
• 03:49 — Jeff explains the value of group interventions
• 10:22 — Jeff’s ultimatum: repeated behavior means exclusion
• 11:17 — Joey 2.0 emerges (or tries to)
• 14:00 – 18:00 — Breaking down Joey's problematic incidents
• 19:05 – 21:00 — Jeff’s reflections on Joey’s romantic drama
• 24:46 – 25:27 — Listener asks: Is Joey in love with Jeff?
• 34:12 – 40:00 — Spelling Bee with Joey Z
• 41:44 — Jeff on why the group hasn't given up on Joey
• 46:15 — How unresolved drama leads to someone being “unchumped”
• 47:23 — Episode wrap-up and new year optimism

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Tone and Style

Honest, no-filter banter—it’s classic Jeff Lewis: direct, acerbic, but with underlying loyalty. The group toggles between serious conversations about friendships and interventions, then pivots to light-hearted teasing (especially during the spelling bee). Group members rarely mince words, but their affection for each other is evident.

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For first-time listeners:
This episode illustrates the real-life “housewives” nature of Jeff’s inner circle—packed with drama, sincere attempts at resolution, humor, and a willingness to air grievances publicly. Joey Zauzig is both the antagonist and the heart, as the group rallies to improve (not exclude) him, hoping “Joey 2.0” is more than just a morning-after motto.

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Transcript

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[Crystal Minkoff]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

Stop fucking apologizing. You're not making it any better. You're just reminding me how late we are. I know I'm specific. I know I'm a little high maintenance, which is why I tip really fucking well. I don't wanna start shit, but no, really, don't you?

[Diane]

Okay.

[Joey Zauzig]

Really?

[Caller/Listener]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis Has Issues. In today's episode, Crystal Minkoff, Joey Zauczig and Doug Button join the show. We watch. We recap Doug's birthday dinner and Joey defends his questionable behavior. Plus, we play another round of spelling bee with Joey Z. Good morning, Crystal.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Morning. I had a heart attack this morning.

[Jeff Lewis]

Why?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Because Annie texted me. Jeff wants to know when you're coming in.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm so sorry.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And I immediately went to our text. Literally. It's so. The worst feeling of not showing up live is so scary.

[Jeff Lewis]

I am so sorry. I was under the impression you were on the 9 o' clock hour. I. I'm very sorry for freaking you out.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Thank you. I appreciate it. I love a 9 o' clock hour too. So.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. Did you. Did you sleep in a little bit. After last night? After the stress?

[Crystal Minkoff]

I did.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you wearing last night's makeup?

[Crystal Minkoff]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh. Cause I'm gonna say it looks good.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Oh, thank you. Yeah, no, no. I started over. I know I have to like wash it all off, but. Yes, it was a lot. It was as I look at Joey.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah, it was a lot.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It was a lot.

[Joey Zauzig]

It was a lot.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Gorgeous to start with. It was so beautiful. The flowers are stunning. That food is unbelievable.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right?

[Paul]

Crystal had never been before.

[Jeff Lewis]

You have never been to Barbara?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Never. Every time you guys. I could not go. And I had no idea what it was. And it was spectacular. I literally left. I was like, wow, this is the best Italian food in la.

[Paul]

And you got to meet.

[Joey Zauzig]

I agree.

[Paul]

I introduced Crystal to Barbara, so they got to meet.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Oh, she is fantastic.

[Joey Zauzig]

But that food is amazing.

[Crystal Minkoff]

But the lasagna is.

[Diane]

You have to take Rob there I never had that.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I was like, it's like a deconstructed lasagna. It's spectacular.

[Joey Zauzig]

I like the white little tortellinis. Like the cute with the pittelli. It was so beautiful.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It was great. It was beautiful. You did such a good job.

[Joey Zauzig]

And the meatballs were on point, honey.

[Diane]

Darcino.

[Joey Zauzig]

Until I lost my appetite. I'm just kidding.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I was like, until it.

[Joey Zauzig]

I never lose my appetite until last night. And last night I lost my appetite.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, I don't. I saw you eating a lot.

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, I was shoving it down after I lost my appetite for 30 minutes and then I was fine.

[Paul]

And then he said, I need another arancini.

[Joey Zauzig]

And then I needed another arancini.

[Crystal Minkoff]

So we know when Joey's eating, he's fine. And then when he stops eating, it's going to happen.

[Joey Zauzig]

And then everyone gives me the leftovers. So like, towards the end, everyone was just like, here, have the rest of this. Have the rest of this.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was doing that.

[Joey Zauzig]

You were doing that. You knew I needed.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I'm happy you guys are look happy.

[Paul]

Crystal's talking about Joey and Jeff.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, yeah, I mean, I don't. I feel like we, you know, we've started kind of a resolution here, like resolving things. I think it's going to require a one on one with just Joey and.

[Joey Zauzig]

I. I mean, I definitely felt like it was supposed to be Doug's birthday last night and then it turned into this Joey. I felt like everyone was planning. I just felt like everyone was sitting there with their arms crossed, staring at me and I was like, this is a lot. And I felt kind of ambushed a little bit.

[Jeff Lewis]

I see that.

[Joey Zauzig]

Because I knew we were gonna talk. Cause we hadn't talked. And you were like, I'll see you at Doug's birthday. But I didn't know it was gonna be with the whole group, with everybody. I thought we were gonna maybe like walk away, go outside, have a conversation.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think an intervention is powerful, especially amongst, you know, multiple people that can back you up. Because sometimes I forget the details of certain events. So I. You know, I liked having Paul there as well because he was very clear about. Well, he reminded me of what happened during the brunch at Chump Con. I'm not gonna rehash all of this, but it was important that we go through and give examples of, you know, here are the issues and this is what needs to be corrected. And I'll be honest with you, I feel like I was almost like trying to stop another issue because if you had Kind of kept going. It is very possible that that evening could have been repeat. A repeat of other evenings.

[Joey Zauzig]

I mean, it does get. I do get to a point sometimes when there's everyone coming at me, of course it's frustrating. So, like last night when everyone was piling and then Paul's like, yapping in the cor. I'm like, it's not even about you. It's like at the end of the day, it's about us, but it's about everybody. So now that I feel everybody is accept, like, that feels this certain type of way. Of course I feel bad and like, I'm accountable and like, I'll work on fixing it. But I mean, I definitely was caught off guard last night, like, beyond.

[Diane]

I felt bad because it did. You were feeling ambushed and you kept turning to us like, have my back. But then it was like progressing, like. Cause then Krystal tried to have your back and then.

[Paul]

Yeah, you.

[Joey Zauzig]

I just feel like if roles were reversed, like, I think that I'm like, super loyal. And I think we all know that.

[Diane]

Yeah.

[Joey Zauzig]

Like, I ride hard for my friends and I always will ride hard. And so, like, if that was happening to me, it was like. Like you were like, I don't like that you're talking to Paul like that. Like, don't shut him down. Don't shut him down. It's like so loyal. Like, I just feel like if Rose reversed and I was in your guys shoes, I would have been absolutely spoken.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Up and said, I did try to back. I really did. Genuine.

[Joey Zauzig]

No, you, you did in the beginning.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And you got like, no, you, like, came for me because what I was trying to do is the space to explain, like the future and, you know, to shut it down. Like, I'm sorry, this is what I'm gonna do in the future. And I think it would've stopped it. And I think me giving that space to you made you feel like I was not backing you. And then you, like, kind of came for me. But I just. I love you, Joey. And it's like, I really want people to see what, you know, like to see past all this other stuff.

[Joey Zauzig]

That's all me too. And that's why it was frustrating last night. I got frustrated with you. Cause in the beginning you were like, guys, it is like kind of feeling like a pylon. And then after Jeff finally, like kind of lost his cool and looked at you and was like, are you not gonna say anything? Like, I'm like, why are you looking at crystal for that? And it felt like, to me. And I'm sensitive again. So it felt like you guys have been talking about, like, yeah, Joey does.

[Jeff Lewis]

Get a little out of the whole group.

[Joey Zauzig]

Exactly. So. But that's. But people have come to me separately. Like, I wish you would have done.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Joey Zauzig]

And said. And said, like. And you've never said that to me. You've always been like, don't worry about everyone. Like, everyone's just being dramatic. Blah, blah. That's what you said to me.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah, but I.

[Joey Zauzig]

So if you're saying it behind my back, feels like, okay, so people are having these conversations, but to my face, no one's. Because I like being called out. Like, that's why we're such good friends. Like, you do always tell me and keep it real with me.

[Crystal Minkoff]

But I'm gonna divide myself because every time we talk behind you, I'm supportive of Joey. Is that not true?

[Jeff Lewis]

That's absolutely true.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I don't do this whole, like, why is Joey doing this? I'm always defending you behind your back.

[Joey Zauzig]

Now, I know that it does truly.

[Diane]

All come from, like, a love and a good place of, like, we want to hang out with Joey. We want Joey to be invited to things. We want him to come on these trips. We don't want it to turn, like, a negative situation. So, like, how do we know that?

[Jeff Lewis]

You talk about loyalty, but it's not blind loyalty. Right. So if there's certain issues that we have to address with you as your friend, we have to be honest. Exactly. Especially if it's getting to a point where you can no longer be. You know, I don't want to ever be put in a situation where I have to exclude you. Right. Because you're always, like. You're always, like, top of my list. Want Joey to come, but if you're going to be unprofessional or you're going to be out of line and it's happened repeatedly. The reason that I'm intervening is because I want to fix this now. Because I don't want to be in a situation where I have to exclude you. And you had said that it's between you and me. It's not just between you and me. Because here's the thing. You and I could be 100 so good. But if you have problems with six other chumps as other people have had, then I have no choice but to book the chumps with other people. Do you know what I mean? So that's why we're just trying to. We're trying to fix all of this.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah. And I want it to be fixed. But I also, like, we have our own things that I'll talk to you about separately, too, like.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sure.

[Joey Zauzig]

And that's what I wanted to do last night. I didn't get a chance to do that. So it was frustrating because it was. Again, I didn't know that everyone felt this way. I knew that you felt this way.

[Paul]

It was in the context of these. These specific events that you've been part of with everybody else. And I think that's what the conversation was about. It wasn't about, like, whatever issues personally Jeff had with you that were not part of the larger group. And so that's the other thing, is that, you know, you're gonna get the same result each time.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Right. And I also think there was. Someone made a point last night that there is a difference between a party, like Shane's. Right. And then there's like, the work thing, which I think is, you know, when you have a chump event, you know, a paid event, I think that Jeff is heightened. You know, you're heightened with absolutely impress and make sure everything goes well. So I think everyone's. I felt it, you know, when I went to chump miss. Like, the level of the professionalism increases. And so I think that's, like, where people were kind of making the difference last night.

[Joey Zauzig]

And. But that's where I got so upset with. Because I am professional. I've been and I have been.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have not experienced that.

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, that's not fair.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sorry. I can give you three examples right now.

[Joey Zauzig]

Four years, you've never experienced. I'm always on time. I always show up. Right. I always do my job.

[Jeff Lewis]

Let me take that back.

[Joey Zauzig]

Above and beyond.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's not fair. Let me take that back. But there's been three recent incidents in the last year where you were not professional. So here's the thing with Lakendra. She had a situation where she was extremely unprofessional. She and I sat down, she acknowledged it. She was accountable. But more importantly, she corrected the behavior. You have not corrected the behavior. You will sit. You will acknowledge. You will. I can see you receiving it, but then you do it again. And now if La Kendra had done it three times, which you have done it three times, she would be completely excluded from any sort of paid public event. You've done it three times. So you've kind of like, you're putting me in a very bad position because now I feel like if you do it again for a fourth time, I'm a fucking idiot for hiring you again. So that's why.

[Joey Zauzig]

I mean, that's unfair.

[Jeff Lewis]

Totally fair.

[Joey Zauzig]

But also, I get what you're saying. And I'm also, like, I don't ever want to be, especially to you, who's given me this platform, who's given me these opportunities, who I'm so appreciative to. Of course, I don't want to be anything but professional. And so, like, obviously, last year was a really rough year for me. And, like, there was other things going on that.

[Jeff Lewis]

We all have issues. We all have issues.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yes. And there's no excuse for that. But I'm just saying. And I did do that, so it's not an excuse thing. It's just, like, I'm going to work on it, so I don't do it ever again. I don't want to disappoint you. I don't want to disappoint my friends. So it's something that I'm going to work on and I'm going to continue to work on.

[Jeff Lewis]

How are you going to work on it? How. What's the plan? I mean, what's Joey 2.0? I'm curious, because you keep saying it all morning. What is. Who is Joey 2.0?

[Joey Zauzig]

Joey 2.0 was created this morning, so I'm still figuring this out. Okay, but, I mean, last night was last night.

[Jeff Lewis]

It is an honest answer.

[Diane]

He's.

[Joey Zauzig]

So I'm looking at what that means for me, and I'm gonna. And I'm gonna be more aware of this, and I want to be aware, and I don't want to ever go through last night what I, you know, I don't want to go through that ever again.

[Jeff Lewis]

When do we wanna. Like, when do we know who Joey 2.0 is? When. I mean, how much time do we need?

[Joey Zauzig]

Like, tomorrow?

[Diane]

Joey, is it possible that in this.

[Joey Zauzig]

Group you feel some pressure to show.

[Jeff Lewis]

Up and be wild, crazy Joey?

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, no, I'm always wild, crazy Joey. It's like, that's why, like, listen, I do take accountability because even outside, like, last year, like, I was having certain issues sometimes when I would, like, go out and drink. It's not just this group. So that's why I can take accountability. There is something awry and missing with what I do and how I act acted last year opposed to how I was the year before. So that's something I need to look into and figure out, and I'm willing to do that. And I want to do the work, and I don't want to disappoint anybody ever.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, I. You Know what I think was unfair? And it's kind of how I feel watching Salt Lake City Real Housewives. Salt Lake City.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, God. Don't compare to Brittany Bateman, honey.

[Paul]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

Where everyone keeps saying. Everyone keeps making these. These false accusations that Meredith is. Has a drinking issue. And I realized last night, I don't know if this is necessarily about alcohol. Do you know what I'm saying? Because everyone kept saying, and I led this where when you drink, you change. When you drink, you change. I don't know if that's the case because I was thinking more about it last night. I think there is a lack of self control in general. So whether it be eating, sex, drinking, whatever. I think there is a lack of self control. Now with us with chomps, it's like, you're right. We all want to have a good time. We all skew boundaries. But you have to be very careful of that line, especially in a professional event. Like you said, Shane's birthday.

[Joey Zauzig]

Sure.

[Jeff Lewis]

Like, no one's being paid. Nothing's being, you know, recorded, whatever. We can let loose and have fun. But on a. But on a paid event, whether it's a chump weekend or a chump miss event.

[Crystal Minkoff]

But in defense of Joey, I was just gonna mention that is that I do feel like this group, that line gets blurred very easily, which is unlike any other experience I've gone through.

[Paul]

It's not like other jobs.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah, it's very specific to this group. And so, yeah, so it's like you can party hard the night before and guys are hitting their faces on the bar. And then the next day it's like, hold it together and da, da, da. So I feel like that part might be a little bit.

[Joey Zauzig]

I do feel like I should know the line by now, though. And that's. I think the problem is that I know where to skew and where to go. But I think that when we talk about the Joey 2.0 of it all, I think that that's something I'll first work on. I'm very 0 to 100 and I take things. I'm either like, not drinking for months at a time or I'm, you know, having. I'm not a one cocktail guy. I'm like, if I go out once or twice a week, I'm going hard. So I'm trying to. That's something that Joey 2.0 is gonna work on, I guess, at first. Stop being.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm looking forward to meeting him.

[Joey Zauzig]

So extreme.

[Crystal Minkoff]

He's here right now, baby, look at me. He's here Hello, I'm.

[Jeff Lewis]

Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you.

[Joey Zauzig]

Thanks for having me on. I love this show.

[Paul]

When Jeff talks about, like, these three things that happen, do you. Are you aware. Do you understand what he's saying? Like, exactly what went wrong that you did?

[Joey Zauzig]

I mean, I think it's just like the dramatics of it all. And I think the way that, like, I can get snappy with people or the way that I get frustrated or the way that I take it over the top with.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, let's. Let's just talk about the chump con brunch, right? I think what should have happened, we talk about a lack of self control or discipline on that Saturday night. You have to remind yourself, I have a paid event tomorrow. I have brunch that I am required contractually to attend. You don't stay out till 4am we stay. You know what? We all, most of us, at midnight, at 1 1am Whatever it is, we remind ourselves we have this event tomorrow. We have to get up, we have to be sober, and we go home. You went harder and you went to the next. The next spot. You know what I'm saying? So there. It's a prime example of being professional, where you have to be. It's. Yes, it's so much fun. I want to stay all night. I want to keep going. But. But I have. But I have obligations, as do you, 100%.

[Diane]

You're owning.

[Joey Zauzig]

I mean, I'm owning it and I get it. And I regret that night. It was like we were going from the pool party to this. It was a lot. I should have fucking shut it down, and I didn't. And that's a problem. And that's when it comes to 0 to 100, I keep going. And of course, in the back of my head, I was like, I have a event the next day, but I'll be fine. I'll be fine. I'll be fine. I wasn't fine. So learn my lesson from that.

[Jeff Lewis]

At the LIOTTE Influencer event in Las Vegas, who. There was some sort of disruption, conflict at the restaurant. Who was that with?

[Paul]

I think with Joey and me.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Crystal Minkoff]

You ever get liat? Like, I didn't really remember, but yes, it was.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you had a conflict that night.

[Joey Zauzig]

I did have a conflict that night.

[Jeff Lewis]

Then you got so drunk.

[Joey Zauzig]

You started that conflict because of me. You brought something. You were, like, pegging me and Doug against each other or something.

[Paul]

You thought I said something. Something that I didn't say or that I said something in a weird way. And you Got a little short with me.

[Joey Zauzig]

Okay, I like that. I like examples.

[Paul]

We did resolve it, but.

[Joey Zauzig]

We resolved it. It went by very quick.

[Paul]

Right, but you were under the impression that I did something, and you got very heated about it, which was just weird.

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, then that's something else I'm gonna work on. Joey 2.0 is being like. Well, then it didn't stop very active, right?

[Jeff Lewis]

You didn't stop there. You know, you just kept drinking, drinking, drinking to the point where you were so inebriated you had to be babysat.

[Joey Zauzig]

I wasn't that inebriated.

[Jeff Lewis]

Honestly, I'm. I'm gonna tell you. Like, for me, personally, I was having. I've never been into a private casino. I was like, I felt so grateful to Leon and Trevor, and I would never want to disrespect them and, you know, become an issue at their event. You were an issue. And I'm just saying that you actually disrupted my evening with your behavior. You did. I'm just giving you examples.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yes, I understand how I disrupted your evening, but I don't think I was disrespectful to Liotte or Trevor or anybody.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think when you think I was.

[Joey Zauzig]

Really annoying, I wanted your attention. I was like. Like a little kid, like, being like. Like, I want to play, like, whatever. Because I didn't even know how to play blackjack at that point. So I was kind of watching, seeing.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was in the question. I was winning. I was on a winning streak.

[Crystal Minkoff]

We were.

[Jeff Lewis]

We were.

[Joey Zauzig]

Girl, don't blame me for you losing.

[Jeff Lewis]

And you were like, I need to talk to you.

[Joey Zauzig]

How am I blameless?

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you remember this? I need to talk to you right now. I said, joey, I'm fucking winning.

[Joey Zauzig]

I back off. Well, and he's like, dramatic.

[Jeff Lewis]

I thought we were friends. If you were my friend, you would talk to me right now. I go, joey, I'm not doing this. I'm not doing this.

[Joey Zauzig]

Long time.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah, right.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I mean, hear that?

[Paul]

Like, you said, you expect that, but it sounds like you can't expect that because it's just not going to happen with Jeff. If there's somebody who will take your call at any minute of the day, you need to. It needs to be.

[Joey Zauzig]

No, I know. And, like, that's my expectations for our friendship now, too.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I said that to you. I said, he has a certain expectation of your friendship, that he wants your attention. And I said that to you. I think that's a real thing.

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, our friendship used to be like that. So it's like, when did it change? And how did it change? And that's something we'll talk about.

[Jeff Lewis]

Everybody knows I can't be around you when you're in a relationship.

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, that's a problem then.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sorry, I can't.

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, that doesn't even make sense. So you like me better when I'm not dating someone, but you want to be friends with me when that doesn't make any sense.

[Jeff Lewis]

If you were. If you were. Not every. Okay, since I've known you, every relationship has been toxic and negative and dramatic and a rollercoaster. And I have. I mean, all through the Brian divorce, I was there for you. It's. Then you jump into another one, and then you jump into another one. So I felt like here I am holding your hand. I was calling you every fucking day. Are you okay? How's it going?

[Joey Zauzig]

Whatever day, for sure.

[Jeff Lewis]

But then you have to understand, like, I felt like I helped him. I got you through this. And then just a few short weeks later, you're in another toxic, negative, crazy relationship. And I go, oh, my God, I can't. I can't do this again.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Like, wasted, like, all your energy and time.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, you require a lot of energy.

[Joey Zauzig]

A lot of energy is friendship, too.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, it's not. You have to protect your own peace.

[Joey Zauzig]

Okay, well, then protect your peace. And then I do. Good. You have. So then our friendship is just not going to be the same then? I guess. Which sounds like it's.

[Jeff Lewis]

It doesn't have to be. I just have to draw boundaries.

[Paul]

It does sound like it needs to be different. But also, Jeff, as your friend, I'll say you shouldn't expect a different outcome each time. Like, you keep going back and then you get more.

[Diane]

That's what he's saying. He's not going back to the same way.

[Paul]

Right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, well, I can't.

[Paul]

Right. You're not gonna be a fair thing.

[Jeff Lewis]

To say when you, you know, you and I, which I brought up, you and I had a really great evening. It was just you and me, and we went to Tower Bar. I felt like we really had a long, deep conversation.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

And by the way, you agreed with me. I said, well, you even brought it up. You're like, you can't be around me when I'm in relationships. I said. You said. I've noticed that you back away from me when you're in a relationship.

[Joey Zauzig]

You do.

[Jeff Lewis]

And that's not because I don't want you to be happy and fulfilled. I just don't want you to. You know, we've experienced some like, real crazy, dramatic roller co. I mean, remember Universal? And it's just. It really is distracting sometimes. Like, if you're having a. And I'm sorry, this is feeling like a pylon. It really. I'm really annoyed.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah, I just, like. Let's have a conversation, me and you, before we, like, do this again, because it's not gonna. We're not gonna get anywhere. And I want to get somewhere. I want to resolve this, and I want to move forward, and I want to take ownership.

[Jeff Lewis]

Why don't you and I.

[Joey Zauzig]

Let's get a. Let's do a conversation with us, too.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right. Let's talk about the guy that hit the bar.

[Paul]

Okay.

[Joey Zauzig]

Poor guy.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think he wanted to talk to you. Crystal. Joey seems to think he wants to talk to Joey.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I think it was both. No, I think it was both of us.

[Jeff Lewis]

Joey said it was coming for me.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Shut up, dude. And then we're taking caller one, who loves my pots and pans.

[Paul]

This was out of shame. This was at Shane's birthday.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I have to be honest. It happened like. He was so glazed over, and he walked kind of towards us. It happened so fast because Joey put that on camera.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And the way we looked at each other after he slammed his face.

[Joey Zauzig]

Can I be for real? I didn't see. I didn't. Because of how he got up. Did you ever see that Real Housewives episode when they're on vacation and Sonya falls out of her church, like, I'm gonna knock you out. And she's falls on the table, on the chair. It was kind of like that. He was kind of, like, about to sit, and he just, like, missed his seat. So everyone said that it was really a hard hit. I didn't actually see the hit, but I saw him get up, and he was like, I'm fine. I'm fine. And there was no blood. So I didn't know if he was just, like, trying to play cool or if he was in that moment after you.

[Jeff Lewis]

It was a hard hit.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It was a hard hit because you were to my right, and, you know, we were at the bar, and he was on my left. He literally, like, hit his face six inches away from my shoulder. And it was such a shock. And then the glass broke under me of a sudden, and he's. And he, like, kind of falls, like, halfway and then down. And then he's on his back looking up, totally dazed. And I. That's when I think I said to you guys at dinner last night was like, this is when the whole mouth is going to start exploding in blood. I literally was like, oh, my God. And then it did it. And I was like, he broke his jaw, like, inside. Then there's just no way something didn't happen to him.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're right.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And, like, it was, like, internal or something. And then he looked really confused and embarrassed because he was so drunk. It wasn't, like, conscious embarrassment. It was super drunk embarrassment, you know? So I don't. He was kind of in and out. And then there was, like, a woman.

[Diane]

There, a flight attendant who we met that night.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Okay. There. She was, like, helping. And everyone started kind of helping him. And.

[Jeff Lewis]

God, we had a flight attendant in the bar.

[Diane]

Very good. In case we should invite her to.

[Jeff Lewis]

Chump the Chump mixer.

[Crystal Minkoff]

She's like an emt.

[Joey Zauzig]

There needs to be there. Be needs to. To be a flight attendant at all jump events from here on out, because otherwise, warm nuts.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Can I tell you something I don't know about you? So she comes up to me. So I actually. I pulled the chair next to me to try to make him not feel embarrassed. Kind of sit down. I was like, come sit. Like, sit. And she's, like, helping. You know, she's, like, involved in helping him. And then. So he was, like, seemingly, like, just kind of dazed. And I. And then I kind of got up and she pulled me aside. And then she's like, someone needs to watch him. Someone needs to take him home because he has a concussion.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I was like, he had a concussion?

[Diane]

Yeah, she thought so.

[Crystal Minkoff]

She thought so. And she's like, he can't go home and go to bed alone in the state. And then I'm like. I'm like, do you know him? She's like, no, I'm just, like, randomly here. I'm like, what do you do? She's like, I'm a flight attendant. I'm like, oh, what airline? She's like, american. I was like, oh, who can I get a buddy pass from? You know? So I was like, oh, okay. And then. But she was really, like, you know, she was.

[Diane]

Yeah, she was really concerned. And he was, like, so drunk and embarrassed. He was like, I have to go home. And then he just kind of, like, walked out of the bar. And then I was trying to walk him out, and he was like. He was. He didn't say, leave me alone, but he was, like, storming out, like, leave me alone.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Embarrassed.

[Paul]

Because he was embarrassed about it.

[Diane]

Yeah, no, he's. But we have friends in common. I DM'd with him.

[Paul]

He says, send him to Sarah's show.

[Jeff Lewis]

Diane in Texas, I think is starting some shit. Line two. Hey, Diane.

[Joey Zauzig]

Hey, Diane.

[Caller/Listener]

Hey.

[Joey Zauzig]

You know.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi. I was gonna start shit, but then I need to pivot. I have one question for Joey.

[Joey Zauzig]

Hey, Diane.

[Caller/Listener]

Are you in love with Jeff?

[Joey Zauzig]

Jeff?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, not.

[Joey Zauzig]

No, I know. Jeff Lewis. In which way? Of course, I'm in love with him.

[Jeff Lewis]

Not in love.

[Caller/Listener]

You just in love.

[Joey Zauzig]

I love him.

[Caller/Listener]

You know what I mean.

[Joey Zauzig]

You mean, like, want to be in a relationship?

[Caller/Listener]

Yes.

[Paul]

I mean, well, you know, certainly when you're drunk, you talk about it.

[Jeff Lewis]

He loves everyone when he's drunk.

[Paul]

Right.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I mean, but I love that you're actually.

[Joey Zauzig]

I mean, I don't think me and Jeff are off the table.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think we're off the table.

[Joey Zauzig]

Really?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. That's off the table.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Joey, I love that you're saying. I feel like that that's been.

[Joey Zauzig]

Crystal said it. It's been a thing. People think there's inside the chump world. It's definitely been a conversation.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I do feel like that's inherently why he wants your attention. I think that's why there's so much tension and that he needs something from you. I think there's feelings on his side.

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, I don't know if there's feelings on my side. It's just. It's been a conversation and it's not. We've never talked about this before. No, I think I definitely have a lot of love for Jeff. But I'm like, you know, you just never know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, I know. And it's.

[Paul]

You're both saying very different things. Joey's like, well, who knows?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I have a lot of. I had a lot of love for Joey.

[Joey Zauzig]

I have a lot of love for you too.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's not a romantic love, Diane.

[Joey Zauzig]

I don't have a romantic love either. I'm just saying it's never off the table.

[Caller/Listener]

Yes, you do, Joey.

[Jeff Lewis]

But that's okay.

[Caller/Listener]

Why don't one of y' all date. Why don't one of y' all date? Chris Appleton. He is so hot.

[Joey Zauzig]

Been there, done that girl.

[Crystal Minkoff]

By the way, that's.

[Paul]

That did not sound like Joey 2.0.

[Joey Zauzig]

There's things that are slipping out again, baby. Fuck.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Joey's response is so indicative of who he is. Like, he's listening to Jeff be like, I love you, but I'm not in love. He's like, not off the table.

[Joey Zauzig]

It's like, this is so addictive.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Like, he's just.

[Paul]

But that's why I'm saying Jeff should.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Chaotic in that moment.

[Paul]

Different results.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yes. Exactly.

[Paul]

Because if this is. If Joey is being Joey 1 or 2 or even 7.7, I don't know.

[Crystal Minkoff]

If it's really drawing the line. Jeff's line is drawn. Like, this is not.

[Joey Zauzig]

Guys, I'm funny. I don't have a romantic love for Jeff, but I have love for him. And, like, maybe sometimes when I'm doing.

[Paul]

It, but it's not off the table.

[Joey Zauzig]

But it's not off the table just yet. It's not right.

[Paul]

But that's the.

[Crystal Minkoff]

He's just a very flexible.

[Diane]

It's not all just.

[Joey Zauzig]

I'm very flexible. I'm like, listen, if someone's gonna want to take me on a date, like, I'll go on a date with Jeff Lewis. He didn't ask you on one.

[Jeff Lewis]

But this. This is kind of the boundary stuff, right?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yes, that's what I'm saying. You draw boundary stuff.

[Joey Zauzig]

Like I've ever, like, hit on you. I'm just, like, having.

[Jeff Lewis]

Every time we're together when you're drunk.

[Joey Zauzig]

And you start, I'm a flirt.

[Jeff Lewis]

It makes me uncomfortable. It really does. That's good.

[Joey Zauzig]

I won't flirt with you anymore. I'll just flirt with Crystal next time.

[Paul]

Indiscreet.

[Joey Zauzig]

I flirt with Doug when I'm drunk. Like I do. Like I do. That's such a bad thing. Fuckers. No, I do flirt with Doug. Oh, yeah. No, in a great way. Doug, I told you I would come on the tempur pedic with you. Like, I was like, we would.

[Jeff Lewis]

What?

[Paul]

That is not. First of all, that's not a flirt. And that's Diane.

[Jeff Lewis]

What have you started here?

[Joey Zauzig]

Diane really started up today. Love you. I hate you, Diane. I'm a flirt. I flirt with Kim and I'm dry.

[Jeff Lewis]

I love how you say you flirt with everyone. Even Doug.

[Joey Zauzig]

I know.

[Paul]

No, you're not.

[Diane]

Doug is a prize.

[Crystal Minkoff]

He is a prize.

[Joey Zauzig]

I love my Dougie. I just. Like, I'm a flirt. I'm a lover. But listen, listen. If Doug asked me on a table, if Doug asked me on a date, I would go.

[Diane]

It's on the table.

[Paul]

That's not on the table.

[Diane]

Doug Zauzig.

[Joey Zauzig]

Doug Zauzig, baby. Doug et Joey Buten.

[Diane]

Joey Buten.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, Joey Buten.

[Jeff Lewis]

Diane, did you cover everything you wanted to?

[Diane]

Joey wants that apartment.

[Caller/Listener]

Not for nothing, but you and Joey would make a very hot, sexy couple.

[Diane]

You sound like Joey.

[Joey Zauzig]

We would make a very hot and sexy couple.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think it's time.

[Diane]

Diane 2.0.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Diane, Cayman Holiday.

[Joey Zauzig]

Diane 2.0 is crazy.

[Paul]

Joey, you would even Flirt with Diane from Texas.

[Joey Zauzig]

Come on, Diane. Come to the next chump event. I'll flirt with you too, babe. I'll see you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, you won't be there.

[Joey Zauzig]

I would do. See, I don't like that.

[Paul]

Buy a ticket.

[Crystal Minkoff]

He just. No, he can't buy a ticket.

[Paul]

Yes.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, you're going to make me buy a ticket to the CH party. Only me.

[Diane]

250 for the BBA.

[Joey Zauzig]

250?

[Jeff Lewis]

It's steep. It's an hour with chumps.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, my God. Okay, fine. 250 is not that bad. It's a bar.

[Diane]

You want to hang out.

[Joey Zauzig]

I like won't be a chump anymore. I'll be buying tickets. I got a book of fan social with Shane. I have a fan social. Social on Saturday. I have a fan. Oh, my earring almost went. Oh, it's like it's at BOA Steakhouse. Oh, nice.

[Diane]

Rich get to see.

[Joey Zauzig]

Sir, should I talk about money? Since I always talk about money?

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you doing a dinner or are.

[Joey Zauzig]

You doing a dinner?

[Jeff Lewis]

Wow, that's good.

[Joey Zauzig]

It's good money. I need it. Cha ching, cha ching.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, well, you don't need it. You made like $4 million last year. You told.

[Joey Zauzig]

I didn't say that. I don't know where that number came from.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's what you were saying. The bar on Saturday.

[Joey Zauzig]

Where did that number come from? I never said that on Saturday.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then the week before it was 2 million. You made 2 million a week.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Maybe people do now.

[Joey Zauzig]

You guys are making it all up. It's all getting crazy. I make great money, but at not $4 million.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Well, I will because Shelly from Texas wants to say that she loves my pots and pants.

[Joey Zauzig]

We gotta get your pots and pans properly.

[Paul]

It is off the rails.

[Diane]

Shout out to you.

[Joey Zauzig]

Send them to me.

[Paul]

I'll post.

[Joey Zauzig]

Send me anything. I'll post.

[Diane]

So nice to our pots and pans.

[Joey Zauzig]

For real. Is it like caraway?

[Jeff Lewis]

It's not in here.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It's better.

[Joey Zauzig]

Better than caraway. Shelly.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Hi, Shelly.

[Caller/Listener]

I'm here. Hi. Shout out, Shane.

[Diane]

Shout out, Shel.

[Caller/Listener]

Crystal. My husband made the comment when he was cooking that we need new pots and pans. And I said, I know just the ones. And I went and ordered them. And we love them.

[Crystal Minkoff]

We love them.

[Caller/Listener]

They are awesome.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I'm so happy to hear that. It's been so. It's such an amazing launch and we're five stars on Amazon and everyone's been very positive. So thank you and thank you for trusting in me.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you, Shelly. I will tell you, I Told Kian I said, get me some negative reviews. There were none.

[Diane]

Can't find it.

[Jeff Lewis]

None.

[Joey Zauzig]

Five stars.

[Jeff Lewis]

Where do you make those pants?

[Crystal Minkoff]

In China.

[Diane]

She's Chinese.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I'm Chinese. That was very delayed.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, my God.

[Paul]

Like the time difference.

[Joey Zauzig]

That is great.

[Paul]

In Beijing.

[Jeff Lewis]

That was live.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I'm fucking stupid.

[Diane]

They make them wet as no boo boos.

[Crystal Minkoff]

That's why we can get the price down. But the quality is still the best.

[Joey Zauzig]

And no chemicals.

[Crystal Minkoff]

No chemicals.

[Joey Zauzig]

Phew.

[Crystal Minkoff]

No chemicals.

[Joey Zauzig]

Sounds good. You should say phuf. I said phew. Phew.

[Paul]

Phew. Sweet.

[Crystal Minkoff]

He's gonna be my next influencer.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah. I'm excited. We're gonna be doing a deal.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Oh, I'm popping pan.

[Joey Zauzig]

Do you want a deal?

[Jeff Lewis]

I want a deal.

[Diane]

I'll do a condo in Kibbets.

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[Jeff Lewis]

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[Joey Zauzig]

This is horrible.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is give him a piece of paper and a pen. Because I. No, I feel like you can. I feel like it might help you with spelling. Right.

[Joey Zauzig]

I would like that. I think it would be helpful.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, do we have a pen and paper, guys? Okay, we got a whole studio here with lots of supplies.

[Joey Zauzig]

Lots of supplies. We got a notepad, we got a.

[Jeff Lewis]

Pen, and we got a piece of paper. I have a hard. I'd have you do a crystal, but I have a hard list and Easy list. I don't. Let's see how he does with the hard words. Definitely.

[Joey Zauzig]

This is. I can never get this one right. Like, I swear. No, I'm being serious. Hold on.

[Diane]

I'm actually the same with this one.

[Jeff Lewis]

Write it down.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Wait, what is this?

[Diane]

This is ding it if he gets it wrong.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Oh, wrong.

[Paul]

Oh.

[Crystal Minkoff]

So I have to have a close def.

[Joey Zauzig]

I can never get this right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, try, try.

[Joey Zauzig]

D, E, F. Yeah. I, N, I, T, E, L. Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good job. All right, the next word. Vulnerable.

[Joey Zauzig]

Hold on.

[Jeff Lewis]

Vulnerable.

[Joey Zauzig]

V, U, V, U, L. V, u, l, e, r, a, b, l, e. Wrong.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's v, u, l, n, e, r, a, b, l, e. You were close.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, I missed. Oh, no, I wrote the n. I.

[Jeff Lewis]

Just didn't say it.

[Joey Zauzig]

Didn't say it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Magnificent.

[Joey Zauzig]

That is like. Come on.

[Crystal Minkoff]

All the seventh grades are very clear in that word.

[Joey Zauzig]

Same.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, try that.

[Joey Zauzig]

M, a, g. Yes. N, I, f, I. Yeah. C, I, e, n, t. Oh, you were so close. C, n, t. Look at what I wrote.

[Crystal Minkoff]

You need to say what you spelled correctly. It doesn't work like that.

[Joey Zauzig]

No, I keep second guessing myself.

[Jeff Lewis]

Ooh, I'm afraid to give you this one. Conscientious. Conscientious.

[Joey Zauzig]

Conscientious.

[Crystal Minkoff]

What did you say earlier?

[Joey Zauzig]

Phew.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're gonna get this one.

[Joey Zauzig]

C, o, n. Yep. C. No. C, o, n, s, I. Sorry. C, o, n, s. C, I, e, n c, I, e, n, c, e, I, o, u, s. No, because it's conscience.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Well, science doesn't have, like 10 letters.

[Joey Zauzig]

Conscience.

[Diane]

That's conscience.

[Joey Zauzig]

Like conscientious. You take the e out and you do ious. Bitch.

[Crystal Minkoff]

But you did. Conscious and conscientious. Conscious science together.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is very easy.

[Joey Zauzig]

Conscientious. Who cares? Could spell that anyway.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's a hard one.

[Diane]

Seventh graders.

[Joey Zauzig]

Well, maybe when I was in seventh grade.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, this is. You get this one. Substantial. Substantial.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Come on. I believe in you.

[Joey Zauzig]

S u, b, s t a I n, a, a, l. Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's s u, b, s t a n, t, I, l. Yeah, he did. Did he get that one?

[Joey Zauzig]

I did that. Yes.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It was a little murky, but yeah, I think so.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, fine. We'll give it to you. We'll give it to you.

[Joey Zauzig]

No, I say you got.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. Pneumonia.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, God.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Joey Zauzig]

P, h, e, n, ph.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It's not phenomia. Pneumonia.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's a hard one. It's a hard one.

[Joey Zauzig]

P.n. yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Oh, I think you said ph.

[Joey Zauzig]

No, I said pn.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Oh, sorry. Go ahead.

[Joey Zauzig]

I said pn.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Okay, let's go.

[Jeff Lewis]

Say it's a hard one.

[Joey Zauzig]

It's p, n, o, m. No. P, p, n, e. N, o, m, I, a.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, it's close. Okay. It's p, n, e, u, m, o, n, I.

[Joey Zauzig]

It's a hard one.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's a hard. Well, you missed the u and the.

[Joey Zauzig]

M, the I, the a. I missed the u, the m, the I, the.

[Jeff Lewis]

A, and the p at the end.

[Joey Zauzig]

And the p. You basically had it. You basically had it.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is an easy one. Disguise. Disguise. You can do this one.

[Joey Zauzig]

Dis g u I s e. Disguise. Woo hoo.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. Very, very good work. Bitch. Efficient.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, shit. E f, f I, e n c I, e n t. Efficient.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's e, f f I c I, e n t. So you were wrong.

[Joey Zauzig]

No, look, look, look, look, look, look, look.

[Jeff Lewis]

Look at my.

[Diane]

It's not right.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I didn't pick it up. Cause I thought he had to keep.

[Diane]

There's no n in the middle.

[Joey Zauzig]

Whoa. It was not all right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Controversy. Controversy.

[Joey Zauzig]

I should know this one.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. You cause a lot of it. Controversy.

[Joey Zauzig]

C o n t. Yep. R, a v, e r s y.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Where did you go to school?

[Jeff Lewis]

Stop it.

[Crystal Minkoff]

I'm not kidding. I love you.

[Jeff Lewis]

C, o, n, c. I'm just not a good.

[Joey Zauzig]

I'm just not a good speller.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're a personality, not a speller.

[Joey Zauzig]

I'm a personality, not a speller. I'm a personality. Not a speller. I'm a personality nozzle.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, last one. Miscellaneous.

[Joey Zauzig]

Oh, M, I, s, C, E, L, L, E, A, A, N, I, O, U, S. Miscellaneous.

[Crystal Minkoff]

E, A, A.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. M, I, S, C, E, L, L, A.

[Joey Zauzig]

You know what I think it is? I think I get, like, a little pressure because of, like, all the cameras around.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right. Otherwise, you're a perfect speller.

[Joey Zauzig]

Otherw if I was, like, in a room by myself writing them down. So I think next time I'm gonna step out.

[Jeff Lewis]

One more word. Cause Shane and I argued about the spelling yesterday. Caesar. Caesar.

[Diane]

Oh, Caesar salad.

[Joey Zauzig]

Ra. You know, C, A, E, S, A, R. Good job. Yeah, Caesar. That I know, babe.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you for playing spelling bee with Joey Z.

[Joey Zauzig]

Do you guys get, like, secondhand embarrassment from me when I don't get, like, certain words? Because I know Crystal does sometimes.

[Diane]

I.

[Jeff Lewis]

You actually did okay today.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah, I didn't do that. But we got four.

[Jeff Lewis]

Donna in Cleveland is mad. Line three. Hey, Donna.

[Joey Zauzig]

Hey, Donna.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi, Jeff.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hi.

[Caller/Listener]

I gotta say, first of all, I love you, Jeff. And don't get mad at what I'm gonna say.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I won't get mad.

[Caller/Listener]

I didn't like when Joey first came on the scene. And I've been following you since the very, very beginning. I. When Joey first came on, I really didn't care for him. I thought he was trying too hard. But I got used to him and I started to like him.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Joey Zauzig]

Thank you, Donna.

[Caller/Listener]

And real quick, Joey. I before E, except after C. That's a good one.

[Diane]

Oh, that's the best.

[Joey Zauzig]

I before E, except after C. Dude. Yes. Wait, Donna, that is, like, exactly what I needed for the next spelling bee. I love you so much.

[Jeff Lewis]

We all learned that in first grade.

[Joey Zauzig]

I don't remember. Do you, Donna? That's the best advice ever. I before E. Set. Before C. B.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, go ahead, Donna.

[Caller/Listener]

So I like Joey now. He's grown on.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Caller/Listener]

And you guys just pick on him so bad. I feel. My heart feels bad for him.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Donna, what you don't understand. We've had a few calls today. Unfortunately, some of them dropped off, but probably had the same sentiment. What we're trying to do is we're working with Joey to try to correct the behavior because we all very much love Joey. We want him to continue to be part of the chump group. But there's some certain behavior that has to change. And honestly, if we didn't care, Donna, we would just move on. As you know, there have been people, other people that have been unchumped abruptly, swiftly, without, you know, any sort of conversation. That's not the Joey situation, which is why he's had so many damn chances.

[Joey Zauzig]

Phew.

[Crystal Minkoff]

It's so fucking. Fucking adorable.

[Joey Zauzig]

Why?

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have anything else to say? Donna, you can go. Go hard. I don't care.

[Joey Zauzig]

Yeah, go hard.

[Caller/Listener]

No, I'm not gonna go hard. I was, but then I decided not to.

[Joey Zauzig]

Donna, I love you.

[Diane]

Donna 2.0.

[Joey Zauzig]

Thank you. It's Donna 2.0. Maybe this 2.0 is gonna help all the chumps. We're all gonna go 2.0.

[Jeff Lewis]

And remember. Remember what you learned today. I.

[Joey Zauzig]

Before E, except before C. No, after. After C, except after C. What? I swear, I'm like. This is, like, crazy. But, Donna, I love ya for everything that you do.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you, Donna.

[Joey Zauzig]

Thank you, Donna. Jesus Christ.

[Jeff Lewis]

Olivia and Portland, line one.

[Joey Zauzig]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

What? It's there. Hi, Olivia.

[Caller/Listener]

Hi. I'm excited to ask this.

[Joey Zauzig]

This.

[Caller/Listener]

Has Joey ever hooked up with another chump?

[Jeff Lewis]

I think the answer is yes.

[Joey Zauzig]

The answer is yes. Nay. Mom, I don't think it's appropriate. Do you, Jeff?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Wait, more than kissing? What is happening?

[Joey Zauzig]

No, I think kissing. I think. I think just anything constitutes kissing. And beyond.

[Crystal Minkoff]

And beyond.

[Joey Zauzig]

Wait, actually, have I gone beyond kissing with any. Oh, I have. I have. I have.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's not with me, Olivia.

[Joey Zauzig]

Liv.

[Caller/Listener]

I thought it was Jeff. No, but it could also be.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's another chunk.

[Joey Zauzig]

Keeping my opinions to myself. They just get me in trouble.

[Jeff Lewis]

It was another chunk.

[Diane]

That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you talking about hooking up?

[Diane]

Who?

[Joey Zauzig]

Just like anything, I think he keeps visual. Which is what?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Your visual was crazy.

[Joey Zauzig]

What was my visual? Show me. But the answer is yes. I mean, we're a small family. It's bound to happen. Guys, I don't know. I walked in the door, hooked up with Joey's house.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you would have hooked up with more? Is that what you mean?

[Joey Zauzig]

Jesus. Okay, now it's getting crazy. You know what I mean.

[Crystal Minkoff]

No, we don't.

[Joey Zauzig]

It's all in good, good fun.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, so how would you compare last night's birthday party?

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

To a Real Housewives episode.

[Crystal Minkoff]

So in the beginning, it was very different because, like, Housewives, it's, like, not as fun and jovial. It's like it really felt like you're at a birthday party. And I felt that way, which is nice for me. I mean, I had a very specific experience. You know, like cameras again. But I actually was just going to my friend's birthday, but then I felt like when you guys started, like, kind of going at it and it started getting really heated and then it got really quiet, I was like, wow, I'm back on the show. It's very. It was very similar like that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you. But you. But I think you brought up a good point, which is, you know, the 15 people that were at that table, you know, we talk about family, family, family. It really is. I mean, everybody really cares about each other and no one is faking it, right? Nope. So. So I know there's a little tension sometimes between Pol and you, but he really is a good guy and he's looking out for your best interests and he wants you to succeed and he's very supportive of you. But he's a little like me where he doesn't mince words and he can be very direct and it puts you on the defensive. But just so you know, those guys have your back. They do.

[Joey Zauzig]

I know.

[Jeff Lewis]

Just like everyone at that table, I.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Think what's hard for, like, I would imagine. Cause you know, be on the. On the side of Pull and Patrick is that they come in a pair of. So it's not one on one. You know, Patrick will jump in.

[Diane]

You feel ganged up on the ones.

[Joey Zauzig]

That's very true.

[Crystal Minkoff]

So I feel like it's just inherently two on one. Not to say that they are ganging up, but like they always back each other up as they should. But like in a situation against someone else, I can see why it feels like more than like another argument because they. You just hear both of them. So it's two versus one always with them.

[Jeff Lewis]

But remember, it's not. I mean, there's been a lot of inter. Chump conflict. Right. Between me and Patrick and Paul, between me and Doug, between. You know, I mean, between Annie and you, between. I mean, everyone has had. Not everyone, but there has been a lot of conflict.

[Joey Zauzig]

It's bound to happen.

[Jeff Lewis]

But. But I feel like it gets. It's resolved. And I also feel like if someone can't move past it much like a Housewives episode, then they have to be removed from the group. Right. You have to. If you have a bad apple, you have to remove that person from the group.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Well, that's inherently different than Housewives.

[Jeff Lewis]

Very different. We don't. I won't keep them around.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Yeah, that's real.

[Jeff Lewis]

Ye. Yeah.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Cause like, I think Patrick and Paul genuinely want to get to the other side. Like, they want to resolve things. And I think that's because this group is a group of real friends and family.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Crystal Minkoff]

Whereas, like Beverly Hills, whatever. All those shows. It's like conflict is part of the show.

[Joey Zauzig]

Real friends of WeHo shout out.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you know, Doug was saying, hey, are you excited about filming? And I was like, not really. Like I'm not really that excited about filming. I mean, they're just following my everyday life, right? So. And it feels like it's the same thing.

[Joey Zauzig]

Thing.

[Jeff Lewis]

Radio. I go to the new house, I go to job sites, I go home and then I drink.

[Joey Zauzig]

It's the same thing, right?

[Paul]

And then.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then repeat. But I changed my attitude today cuz this morning I was like, you know, we have so many fun events planned that that's what I'm looking forward to. There's a lot of stuff coming.

[Joey Zauzig]

Jeff 2.0 baby, starts today. Let's go. Grateful Chump 2.0.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Ladd every weekday on SiriusXM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM app.