
David Archuleta, Justin Sylvester, & Shane Douglas join Jeff Lewis in Los Angeles.
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David Archuleta
Well, who steals bees?
Justin Sylvester
I was duped.
Jeff Lewis
I shoot you in the leg.
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David Archuleta
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Unknown Host
When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.
Unknown Guest
I don't need therapy. I don't need a prayer service. I need the fucking facts. Get to the point. She shut me down. I know. She's like, I don't want this toxic man near me.
David Archuleta
See, you're a nice person.
Unknown Guest
Don't tell anyone. Well, nobody thinks it, so it doesn't matter.
Unknown Host
Jeff Lewis has issues.
Unknown Guest
Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has Issues. In today's episode, David Archuleta and Justin Sylvester joined the show. We talk about winning cars, a fascinating religious practice, and favorite songs. I'm sure everybody knows who you are, but you were the seventh season of American Idol. You were the runner up. I have a question, though. Did you win a car?
David Archuleta
I did.
Unknown Guest
I can't believe you won a car as a runner up. You got a car?
Jeff Lewis
Wait, did you really?
David Archuleta
I did. I got a Ford Escape. I still drive it.
Unknown Guest
Are you serious?
Jeff Lewis
You want to give it to Jameson because he is looking for a car.
David Archuleta
It's hard for me to let it go, you know, that's why I'm still driving it, because I don't know, we've been through so much from 2008.
Unknown Guest
Wait.
David Archuleta
I'm so sorry.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah, I'm so sorry. You have been through so much in your life and that is the first question that Jeff Lewis is asking you if you want a car on American Idol.
Unknown Guest
I was just curious because I thought, because Shane mentioned. I'm like, no, he's the runner up. And you said the first two top.
Two always get the new Ford. It was like. It was an iconic car.
David Archuleta
Yeah. Ford was a sponsor. Yeah.
Unknown Guest
Did you get to pick the color or.
David Archuleta
No, I, I don't remember. It was what I wanted, though. Like, everything I wanted in a car was the one they gave me.
Unknown Guest
The Ford Escape.
David Archuleta
Yeah.
Unknown Guest
Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to ask that like this. I didn't need to say it like that. Oh, the Ford Escape.
David Archuleta
Like, I, I feel like other people who've won cars, they did exchange them, like to turn it in for a different car, a different Ford. I was like, no, this is everything I wanted. It was small but still high, had good storage in the back, easy to park because it's like a short and stout kind of car.
Unknown Guest
So look at how grateful he is. This is refreshing. We have a lot of entitled people that come in out of this studio, Justin, and it's just so nice. Look, I mean, can you believe this?
David Archuleta
I just. I just like to be practical.
Jeff Lewis
Can I ask you a question?
David Archuleta
And it's a practical car.
Jeff Lewis
I have so many questions about American Idol.
David Archuleta
Yeah.
Unknown Guest
Can we talk about the car for a second?
Jeff Lewis
Yeah, let's talk about the car. Let's talk about it.
David Archuleta
I've been through a lot with it.
Unknown Guest
Did they say to you like, oh, what kind of options do you want? What color package? Yeah. Did you have any say in it?
David Archuleta
I. All I wanted was the GPS navigation because it was like it was before GPS was on our phones. So that's all I asked for.
Jeff Lewis
He was 16. Like, give a 16 year old a car with zero doors and they'll love it.
David Archuleta
You know, I was stoked. I was.
Unknown Guest
But people returned it for a different other.
David Archuleta
Other people in the where's like throughout the years. That's what I think. He turned his car in and got a. A, like a more fun car. But I think since then he's moved on. Even I, I just, I've had a hard time moving.
Unknown Guest
Did Kelly Clarkson get a car?
Jeff Lewis
No, she got a contract. Kelly Clarkson got a contract and a lot of money.
Unknown Guest
Wow.
David Archuleta
Yeah, I did.
Unknown Guest
You had to pay taxes on that though, huh? Probably.
David Archuleta
I don't.
Unknown Guest
I don't.
David Archuleta
I imagine. I don't remember.
Unknown Guest
Ken. Do you have to pay taxes? Do you remember? Was Ken with you then?
David Archuleta
That was before I understood what taxes even were, basically. I didn't.
Jeff Lewis
Jennifer Hudson got a Ford Escape. That's what you need to sit on right there.
David Archuleta
Did Jennifer.
Unknown Guest
How many miles are on?
David Archuleta
Wasn't even in the finale of her season, was she? Not even though I voted like crazy, like a madman too, because I. That was one of the times I cried watching the show. But here's when Jennifer Hudson did not make it to the next week.
Jeff Lewis
It's kind of wild.
David Archuleta
It was Barry. I'm like, traumatized by it. It was Barry Manilow week. She sang Weekend in New England, one of the greatest performances I've ever heard in my life. And it gave me goosebumps when she. When I watched it and I was like. I was voting like crazy to make sure she stayed in. And I was just like, I didn't do enough. Like, I was.
Unknown Guest
You said that it was just one of the times you cried. So when else did you cry?
David Archuleta
The first time I cried was when the first season of American Idol. There is a contestant named Ryan Star and she.
Unknown Guest
Oh, she was pretty. I remember her.
David Archuleta
She was beautiful.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, she just.
David Archuleta
She was just like. Yeah, she was hot.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, Beautiful, but.
David Archuleta
Yeah, but she gave such a great. I just love the way she performed, too.
Unknown Guest
And she had an edge tour, if I remember correctly.
David Archuleta
That's what it was. I love. I love it when a girl has edge, so. And I cried when she was.
Unknown Guest
I feel like you cried every season.
David Archuleta
No, those are probably the only two.
Unknown Guest
Times you cry, David.
David Archuleta
I think so.
Jeff Lewis
Come on, David.
Unknown Guest
I hope you don't cry today.
David Archuleta
As long as you don't make me cry.
Unknown Guest
All right, go ahead with your American Idol questions. Yes.
Jeff Lewis
That was it. That was it. That was it.
Unknown Guest
I'm waiting for it to tear up. Is that why you're doing this? So you are trying to make him cry?
I'm feeling emotional.
Okay, great. This is not American Idol.
David Archuleta
Oh, my God. Like, I'm still blown away by that.
Jeff Lewis
I saw a little bit of David's nipple and I'm really tearing up right here. You got that side boop going.
Unknown Guest
At 8 o'clock in the morning, Somebody is working on his real side eye.
Jeff Lewis
Right? Let me ask you this question because I'm dying to know. You're one of us now. You one of.
Unknown Guest
He doesn't know what that means.
David Archuleta
You're like, I do. You're in the community.
Jeff Lewis
You're, you know, one of the letter people.
David Archuleta
We're queer and we're here.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah, we're queer and we're here.
Unknown Guest
Oh, I thought you were talking about chumps.
Jeff Lewis
No, no, no.
Unknown Guest
Oh, you're talking about queers.
Jeff Lewis
About queers. Yeah.
David Archuleta
What's a chump?
Unknown Guest
Yeah, great question.
Jeff Lewis
Commercial break.
Unknown Guest
It's people that appear on this show or listen to this show are called chumps. You'll see.
David Archuleta
Oh, oh, you'll see.
Jeff Lewis
Did you know who you were when you were Competing. And was there like a fear that someone was going to ask you about it? Because I would imagine at 17, getting on an international stage and dealing with the press and the media would really throw me for a loop because I was afraid to, like, go to school at 16, 17, because I was afraid to get outed. Were you ever afraid of that?
Unknown Guest
Well, he wasn't gay.
David Archuleta
Yeah. Kind of.
Jeff Lewis
Know, like at 16, 17, maybe, you.
Unknown Guest
Know, maybe he didn't know in the.
Jeff Lewis
Back of your head.
David Archuleta
I. I didn't know because also I grew up Mormon.
Unknown Guest
Yes.
David Archuleta
A Latter Day Saint. And I. They taught you basically, you're not gay if you don't act on it. So in my mind, I wasn't gay. I knew I wasn't into guys. I mean, maybe there was an inkling of it, but I was like, as long as I don't pay attention to it and I don't. I don't think about it, it's not there. Yeah. Have you.
Unknown Guest
I guess I'm definitely.
David Archuleta
Have you seen Book of Mormon musical?
Jeff Lewis
Yeah.
David Archuleta
There's a song that goes, turn it off. Like a light switch, just click. It's a cool little Mormon trick. That's. That's like exactly what.
Jeff Lewis
Wow.
David Archuleta
I was doing well. And a lot of people in churches do, I think, well, look, I went.
Jeff Lewis
To Salt Lake City, honey, and that, that yellow Facebook was blowing up over there.
David Archuleta
Like, oh, my God, it seems like.
Jeff Lewis
The Mormons are really real.
Unknown Guest
Did you get on Grindr?
Jeff Lewis
Well, all my friends I was at a wedding and all my friends, I was at the reception and it was like, like popcorn. And it seemed like all the Mormon boys after 11:30, can't turn the light switch off.
David Archuleta
Oh, well, Salt Lake City has a really. There's a pretty strong. Whoops. A pretty strong lgbt. Yeah.
Jeff Lewis
And it was very friendly. It was super friendly.
Unknown Guest
Why are we going to Hawaii on spring break? We should go to Salt Lake city.
Jeff Lewis
Go to SLC.
David Archuleta
Wow. Salt Lake City proper, like, once you leave 30 minutes in any direction, you're in Mormon country. But Salt Lake City is. Is progressive and there's. And it's like a safe place for queer people to live. Yeah, it's.
Unknown Guest
Why are we saying queer instead of gay? Is that different?
Jeff Lewis
Well, I didn't want to. I didn't.
Unknown Guest
It's an umbrella term.
David Archuleta
Yeah. I think because I think of. Of trans people, I think of gay, but I. And I feel like sometimes people you like, I like thinking of, you know, there are gay girls, but, like, people sometimes only think of gay men. And I like To.
Unknown Guest
I don't know.
David Archuleta
I like to include everybody is a broader term. And I call myself queer. Yeah.
Unknown Guest
The umbrella term for might be les gay.
David Archuleta
I feel like sometimes people look too much as sexuality, as black and white. It's either this or that. You're. You're either this or you're not. And I feel like there's.
Jeff Lewis
There's some gray areas.
Unknown Guest
Keep your mic off, Oscar.
David Archuleta
It. You can be, like, 64, paying attention. Jeff, 20, 100 0. But, like. But there's fluidity in it, and I feel like we should hold space for everybody.
Unknown Guest
I really don't. Y'all.
Jeff Lewis
There needs to be a class.
Unknown Guest
There really needs to be a class.
Jeff Lewis
Well, I always tell people, because I sat down with a friend, and she was trying to understand because her kid is now queer. And I said, think about it like this. When you're in real estate, you say, oh, I'm in real estate. That's queer. That's the umbrella. And then you say, oh, what kind of real estate? And you say, oh, commercial. Commercial. You say, you know, residential. You say, you know, blah, blah. Those are all like, bye, and da, da, da, da. So if you want to be safe and you don't want to offend someone, you say, oh, well, he's queer, too. Like, welcome to the community.
Unknown Guest
Huh?
David Archuleta
Which is interesting, because older, I don't.
Unknown Guest
Use that word very often. Queer.
Jeff Lewis
Well, because you're over 45.
David Archuleta
Yeah. Younger people, I think, have embraced a term that was used as derogatory, because when I've said queer, like, around, like, people from, like, a generation before me, like, they'll be like, that's. That's offensive. I thought I was like, oh. And I was like, no, it's. I think it's. It's like an umbrella term. And people feel like they don't have to fit into a box and have time to figure themselves out. And I feel like I'm at a time where I'm still figuring myself out. Like, I. I take my time with everything.
Unknown Guest
So I do mean it in a derogatory way.
Don't say it.
David Archuleta
Don't say it.
Unknown Guest
Okay. All right.
David Archuleta
Oh, my goodness.
Unknown Guest
That Mormon religion would not work for me or any chumps. Any chumps. Oh, my God. There's a. There's a lot of rules.
Jeff Lewis
And the caffe.
David Archuleta
Yeah, that's what I'm pretty. Like, I'm still getting the hang of coffee.
Unknown Guest
Like, so you could drink coffee. Is that on the list? Oh, yeah, yeah.
David Archuleta
I had coffee yesterday as well, but it was just one. One glass Cup.
Unknown Guest
Do you feel guilty drinking coffee?
David Archuleta
No, I don't. I don't feel guilty, no. About anything really anymore. But it's. It makes me like what's happening in my heart right now. I'm like. Like I have to breathe through it because it's. It gives me too much.
Jeff Lewis
And when was the first time you had a coffee?
David Archuleta
I think it was 20. 23. Oh, my God.
Jeff Lewis
Oh, my God.
Unknown Guest
Wait.
David Archuleta
Or was it 22?
Unknown Guest
Are you talking. I'm sorry. Three years ago.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah.
David Archuleta
Yeah. But I've.
Unknown Guest
You were 31.
David Archuleta
Yeah, yeah, I was. Yeah, 31.
Unknown Guest
I put coffee. My baby bowl.
Here's a list of things that Mormons can't do. Can't do. No sex before marriage.
Jeff Lewis
I saw that on Mormon wives.
Unknown Guest
No alcohol or drugs.
Jeff Lewis
They're doing that on Mormon wives.
Unknown Guest
No dishonesty.
Jeff Lewis
Definitely on Hulu.
Unknown Guest
You have to donate 10% of your income to charity.
Jeff Lewis
Those bitches ain't doing.
Unknown Guest
That's not going to work. Do not view. Oh, you can't view pornography. Yep, yep, I'm out. Do not engage in same sex relationship.
David Archuleta
Step one.
Unknown Guest
Do you have to dedicate Sundays to the Lord? You attend church and worship.
David Archuleta
Oh, my God.
Unknown Guest
No foul language. No cigarettes at Craig's. No coffee, no tea or tobacco. No abortion and no gambling.
David Archuleta
Yeah.
Unknown Guest
What is left?
David Archuleta
I love that. You need to send that to me because when people ask me what it is, you can go bowling. You can go roller skating.
Unknown Guest
Okay.
David Archuleta
Okay. You can go hiking.
Unknown Guest
Okay.
David Archuleta
Can you soak? They have all these Mormon terms that is not. That is like a go around the rules that some people are delusional and tell themselves is okay. But definitely you would get in trouble if a Mormon leader found out about it.
Unknown Guest
Found out about what?
Jeff Lewis
Soaking.
Unknown Guest
What's that? What do you mean, soaking?
Jeff Lewis
Do you know what soaking is?
Unknown Guest
I do not.
Jeff Lewis
I'm about to school you on this.
David Archuleta
I love it.
Jeff Lewis
I dated a Mormon.
David Archuleta
They.
Unknown Guest
Oh, you did?
Jeff Lewis
I dated an active Mormon.
David Archuleta
An active Mormon.
Jeff Lewis
An active Mormon? No.
Unknown Guest
In my 20s. He's ex.
Jeff Lewis
No, he's still in there.
David Archuleta
Oh.
Jeff Lewis
So what the Mormons do is to get around the sex thing. They think that if you just sit on top of one another and you put it in there and you don't thrust it, they call it soaking and that it's not sex. So a lot of the girls in the Mormon community, that's how they get around the sex thing. And then there's another thing where they have somebody jump up and down on the bed while you're soaking.
David Archuleta
That way you're not doing it that way.
Jeff Lewis
You're not doing it. So you're having a three way too. It's like the craziest thing.
Unknown Guest
Have you done the soaking?
David Archuleta
No. No. Absolutely. And I feel like this is a very small percentage.
Jeff Lewis
I don't know.
David Archuleta
I. I really.
Unknown Guest
Stop it.
David Archuleta
So. I mean, none of my friends ever.
Unknown Guest
How do you just stop at that?
Or they weren't honest about it.
They moved around.
David Archuleta
I. No, I. I think I would like. I was. No, I, I. This is like another group of Mormons probably.
Unknown Guest
So.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah, these were like.
David Archuleta
Yeah, but. And I think I almost feel like it was more like rumors than anything else. And I. But I know people did it. But it was a small group of. I think it's a small group, but no one I knew ever did that.
Jeff Lewis
Heather gay soaked. She soaked all the time.
Unknown Guest
She's soaking right now.
David Archuleta
I love Heather. Heather. She's sweet. She sent her. I've been reading. She's good time girl. She's released two books now.
Unknown Guest
When you say good time girl, what do you mean specifically Lotta Sophie?
David Archuleta
Huh?
Unknown Guest
Oh, good time girl. That's the name of the book.
David Archuleta
That's the name of her book.
Justin Sylvester
It was a storyline on the show where Lisa said she was a good.
Jeff Lewis
Time girl in college.
Unknown Guest
Okay.
Justin Sylvester
So she's taking it back and now it's her book.
David Archuleta
And Heather and I both have something in common aside from be Mormons. We both were Mormon missionaries.
Jeff Lewis
Damn.
David Archuleta
You were to Europe. And I went to South America. Yeah. Two years.
Unknown Guest
Chile.
David Archuleta
She served 18 months.
Unknown Guest
Is that where you went? Chile?
David Archuleta
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Jeff Lewis
And you saw those Chilean men and you never thought. God damn it.
David Archuleta
Oh, I did.
Jeff Lewis
Oh, I. I'm gonna soak.
David Archuleta
No, I did. And that's when I came out. Oh, you went on first time. Oh, I was around 2.
Unknown Guest
She labeled do that to you.
David Archuleta
Yeah. And that's. I. Yeah, I. I'm actually. Right. I've been writing a book memoir and talking about the whole experience, and I talk about that.
Jeff Lewis
That night with that red wine.
Unknown Guest
But you're.
David Archuleta
There's no wine as a Mormon missionary or. There's not supposed to bite it. No. The first person I told was my mission president.
Unknown Guest
It's gonna have trouble sign that.
David Archuleta
That's who I came out to.
Jeff Lewis
Wait, you told your mission president?
David Archuleta
Yeah.
Jeff Lewis
Weren't you afraid that he was gonna tell the church?
David Archuleta
He was the church and for me, like, that was my leader. Wow.
Jeff Lewis
That's bold.
David Archuleta
But, yeah, he was really cool about it.
Jeff Lewis
Do you still talk to him?
David Archuleta
I do, yeah. I love Him?
Unknown Guest
Yeah. Wait, this was after Idol. You went on a mission?
David Archuleta
Yeah, yeah, I was super Mormon.
Unknown Guest
What did you do with the car?
David Archuleta
Put in storage? Well, my dad, my, my family was tape was using it, but then my dad took it and apparently like gotten, like gotten a car accident in it as well.
Unknown Guest
Do you have a salvage title?
David Archuleta
I, I, I probably do.
Unknown Guest
I don't know.
David Archuleta
But he went and fixed it. I was like, how? I'm like, how did you get in an accident? I was like, I drive pretty crazy and I never got an accident.
Justin Sylvester
David, I just want to explain. Jeff's not making fun of you. He just becomes hyper fixated on things. That's like, he's genuinely disorder in all these details.
David Archuleta
No, I just want to clear. It's okay.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, and I'm gonna want to see the car after.
David Archuleta
Oh, I mean, I drove with my publicist, so you're gonna bring that car now too? But you are gonna bring that. But my dad's name is Jeff too. Actually, I was just, I just made the case.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, I'm probably your. Is your dad a senior?
Jeff Lewis
Does your dad have hemorrhoids?
David Archuleta
No.
Unknown Guest
Don't tell David I have hemorrhoids.
Jeff Lewis
That's rude. David knows it's Melissa things.
David Archuleta
Oh my gosh.
Unknown Guest
You're an asshole, Justin.
David Archuleta
No, you are. How do you guys know each other?
Unknown Guest
Justin and I. I don't know.
Jeff Lewis
Oh, he used to get in a fight with my, my ex boss for years, and he would send orchids to the house when I worked there. So that's how I kind of pirate you. I would get all these. Oh, I'm so sorry, Jeff Lewis orchids. And I'd be like, it's je.
David Archuleta
You would send orchids?
Unknown Guest
Oh, yeah, that's my thing. When you should. Like, eventually you'll get an orchid from me when I have to apologize.
David Archuleta
How sweet. I hope. Well, hopefully you don't have too much to apologize for.
Unknown Guest
Well.
David Archuleta
But okay. Coffee does, does it make anyone else sweat profusely?
Jeff Lewis
No.
David Archuleta
No. That's when I can tell it's hitting me. I'm like starting to feel it and I'm. I'm so sorry. You're sit, stand. You're sitting right next to me and you're. I'm going to start sweating like David, you're pretty jacked.
Unknown Guest
Like, what's, what's happening here with the fitness routine?
David Archuleta
I, I just try to go every day.
Unknown Guest
What gym do you go to in case anybody wants to meet you?
David Archuleta
I, I go to.
Unknown Guest
It's okay.
David Archuleta
You know, a few A few different.
Unknown Guest
Ones in West Hollywood.
David Archuleta
Changer sometimes.
Jeff Lewis
No, David, David, no.
Unknown Guest
You go to Equinox, don't you?
Jeff Lewis
I'm not Jerry. Kimberly. I'm not David Archuleta, though. I'm not David Archuleta.
David Archuleta
I have, like. What's wrong with West Hollywood gyms?
Jeff Lewis
Nothing's wrong with them. I just want to have to pay to see you. You know what I mean? Like, if I go to like, 2xL.
David Archuleta
You'Re going to be disappointed.
Jeff Lewis
Then come on, tell me you're at like, some $36 a month.
Unknown Guest
Like, you're at Crunch Fitness.
David Archuleta
Yes.
Jeff Lewis
Come on, David.
Unknown Guest
You know they had to close the.
David Archuleta
Saunas at Crunch Fitness in West Hollywood.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, Crunch.
David Archuleta
Oh, I didn't. I didn't know they had saunas.
Unknown Guest
Is that where you're working out, David?
David Archuleta
David. No, that's not one of my memberships I have.
Unknown Guest
Okay, good.
David Archuleta
But I do, I do pay for a few different ones. I have, like, Planet Fitness so that I can. No matter where I am, I can go. Oh, that's like an important thing for me.
Unknown Guest
It's a global brand.
Oh, oh, never mind. That's one of our sponsors. I love Planet Fitness.
David Archuleta
So we get a sponsor use code.
Jeff Lewis
Jeff for 10% off of $4.
David Archuleta
What I like about Planet Fitness is, you know, anyone can go. You just kind of mind your own business. Yeah, really looking.
Jeff Lewis
I do like you. I do like it.
David Archuleta
And you can go anywhere. Like, you can go in Nebraska. You can even. I've gone in Canada.
Jeff Lewis
Everyone looks like they're on parole. I really am.
David Archuleta
Parole.
Unknown Guest
Oh, that's hot.
Jeff Lewis
Actually.
David Archuleta
Yes.
Unknown Guest
I bet Michael Beck would like, Planet.
Jeff Lewis
Michael Beck would live at Planet Fitness.
David Archuleta
Yeah, but I'm. I. So I have a few different ones so that no matter where I am, I can go. And I keep. I keep like, a backpack, which is probably a bad idea because I've had my backpack stolen twice now.
Unknown Guest
What's in the backpack?
David Archuleta
My gym clothes, unfortunately.
Unknown Guest
Powder.
David Archuleta
Yeah, no, unfortunately, the last time that it got stolen, it had my passport.
Unknown Guest
Oh, no.
My passport to the gym.
Why is your passport at my car?
David Archuleta
I was actually at a 24 hour fitness and it was, it was Thanksgiving. The night before Thanksgiving, I would. I had a long day at the studio and I was like, I'm still gonna go to the gym. And the only place that was open the night before Thanksgiving was 24 hours. So I went there in K town, like, area. It was like close to there. And I go. And there's this shifty eyed guy there.
Unknown Guest
And I was like, why are you looking at me?
David Archuleta
Is he checking me out? Like, I don't know why. And I'm pretty sure, like. And I go to my locker and my locker was broken into.
Unknown Guest
That very much. What happened to you, Jeff? Someone is eyeing you down and you're like, oh, he obviously wants to have sex with me. And then he's gonna steal your bath.
You're right. You're right.
Jeff Lewis
That track the fact that you have two kidneys in 2025. Like, the fact that you didn't wake up in a bath of ice by now.
Unknown Guest
They don't want my.
David Archuleta
You must have some pretty interesting stories to tell.
Unknown Guest
Why would you say that, David? Because I'm old.
David Archuleta
Because he's saying that you can't believe you have two kidneys.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah.
David Archuleta
So I'm like, what have you been through? He knows something. That he knows some stories.
Unknown Guest
It is amazing. I have all my organs.
Jeff Lewis
Wow.
Unknown Guest
That we know of, by the way.
Jeff Lewis
That's the book I want to do. I want to do a coffee table.
Unknown Guest
Book of Jess Hawkins.
Jeff Lewis
No, no. About all the gay mishaps, about all the dangerous places and things that people have been through. Because I think when people were hooking up back in the day off of Craigslist and off of B Page. Wow. Like, there must be some crazy.
Unknown Guest
You don't even have to go back in time. Just talk to Zach Noe Towers. Everything is current.
Jeff Lewis
No, Is it wild?
David Archuleta
Who's the actor that said his now husband. He found, like, they walked past each other on a college campus and then one of them put Craigslist saying, I.
Jeff Lewis
Saw, I watched Colman Domingo.
David Archuleta
Oh, my gosh.
Jeff Lewis
That's been together ever since.
David Archuleta
That was such a beautiful story. I got a little. I got teary eyed on.
Jeff Lewis
That's a pretty amazing story. But you heard it on Instagram.
Unknown Guest
You cried at that too.
David Archuleta
Yeah, Instagram. Instagram. I, I, yeah. I get toasty. Jennifer Hudson makes me cry. And you know, love stories and Ford escapes. Love stories. Ford escapes. Well, when it gets. Well, I wanted to cry when my Ford escape got broken into. That was the first time my backpack got stolen.
Unknown Guest
What? First an accident and then it got broken into.
David Archuleta
It got broken. Okay. So someone took my backpack the first time I went. My friends, we all had, like, a celebration. We had released a song that we wrote together. And then they invited me to go see Twist. What is it? Twister.
Unknown Guest
Twisters.
David Archuleta
The. Yeah. The movie with tornadoes.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah.
Unknown Guest
I don't know if the name of the movie is important.
David Archuleta
And they're like, we're gonna Go see it in 4D. They're like, you should. I'm like, you know, why not? I'll go. I'll just go. So it was like a spontaneous thing. I couldn't take my backpack in, so I just left it in the car.
Jeff Lewis
Oh.
David Archuleta
And it. I come back and it was broken into, and the security guard was just like, oh, yeah, that's your car. Yeah.
Jeff Lewis
Damn.
David Archuleta
Sorry.
Unknown Guest
David, let me ask you this. If you were invited to a very nice, dressy holiday party, the backpack is.
Jeff Lewis
Going.
Unknown Guest
To be a. And you have your backpack with you. Are you wearing the backpack into the party or you putting it in the trunk or underneath the seat?
David Archuleta
Well, I've learned. I've learned better now that I like my back. If I'm not going straight to the gym with my backpack, I now carry a little, like.
Unknown Guest
Don't say fanny pack.
Yeah. Fagbag.
David Archuleta
Yeah. Well, it's like, what is the party bag?
Jeff Lewis
Yeah.
Unknown Guest
Yeah. So you'd wear that to the holiday party?
David Archuleta
I probably would just take my wallet and keep it in my pocket if it's like.
Unknown Guest
So you would not wear the backpack into the holiday party?
David Archuleta
Only the J. I don't know.
Justin Sylvester
Well, in my defense, David, I had my work computer in that backpack. The story's about me.
Jeff Lewis
No, you did not do it.
Justin Sylvester
Of course I did.
Unknown Guest
Oh, he sure did.
Justin Sylvester
No, I brought it with me because I can't afford to have my work.
Unknown Guest
Computer stolen backpack on at a holiday party.
David Archuleta
They must have a 2024 like, jacket.
Justin Sylvester
They had a room that they put in. Yeah. I don't leave. I went to dinner with friends last night. I brought it into the restaurant. I don't. I can't. I can't. And by the way, this affects you. It makes it so that I can.
David Archuleta
He's making your life easier, Jeff.
Unknown Guest
So manipulative right now.
Justin Sylvester
I still do my job. If that computer goes missing, I'm screwed.
Jeff Lewis
Hold on, J. It's called an iPhone, and there are.
Justin Sylvester
I can't work right now.
David Archuleta
Like, you can't work from the phone.
Unknown Guest
I think you should have put it in the trunk. You should put it in the trunk. No one is gonna break into your car.
Justin Sylvester
Okay? I have a very old. I have a 2005. Not to trump you, but I have a 2005. Old car.
David Archuleta
Look at us. We're faithful to our cars.
Justin Sylvester
We are. But the thing is, I don't. In this world. I don't trust anything in that car. I didn't know. I'm not doing it.
Jeff Lewis
No, you're working through the problem right now. And I'm so proud of you.
Justin Sylvester
Thank you. I've worked through it.
Unknown Guest
Do you regret going on that mission?
David Archuleta
No.
Unknown Guest
Seems like wasting time.
Jeff Lewis
He found himself in that mission.
Unknown Guest
Two years.
David Archuleta
I did.
Unknown Guest
Two years of your life.
David Archuleta
I literally came to terms with my sexuality on my mission.
Unknown Guest
Couldn't you have done that at home?
David Archuleta
I. I feel like there was. I. I probably would have stayed in the closet longer had I stayed home, because there's a lot of pressure. You have a lot of expectations. People want you to be a lot of things, and you don't want to let anyone down or disappoint them. And so it. It was like my way of being able to have my own space in.
Unknown Guest
That moment and remarkably grounded.
Jeff Lewis
Let me say this. Do you or you have a connection with God?
David Archuleta
I consider myself agnostic now.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah.
David Archuleta
I feel like there's something like a big part of me coming to terms with. Starting to really, really come out publicly and come to terms with myself and start dating men was like. I took it as a God moment.
Jeff Lewis
Yes.
David Archuleta
And that's what I was gonna say because, like, I prayed and I. Oops. I was like, God, like, if you're really there, please change me. And I'm so tired of trying to be what I'm supposed to and failing because I was like, I need to be straight. And I. What I understood was God finally, like, just answered clearly and said, you need to stop asking me this because you're how you're supposed to be.
Jeff Lewis
And he put you in a foreign country on a mission away from. Away from people who would not let you think or be. And you could just find yourself. And I feel like that happened to me as well. And I'm sure you had a God.
Unknown Guest
Moment where, like, you were like, I'm waiting for it.
David Archuleta
This didn't. That moment didn't happen on my mission. I only came to terms. I finally admit that I was attracted to guys.
Unknown Guest
Yeah.
Jeff Lewis
But somebody. Something put you there in order for.
David Archuleta
You to have that revelation, have that moment. Cause I feel like when life is so busy and you're trying to just be something for your audience and your fans and your family, sometimes you don't have a moment to slow down and say, maybe I can take a moment for myself. Cause you don't want to let your fans and your people down.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah.
Unknown Guest
David, you were engaged three times to women.
David Archuleta
I was.
Unknown Guest
You re.
Jeff Lewis
Oh, no.
Unknown Guest
You absolutely soaked. You did not give someone a ring without soaking first.
David Archuleta
You.
Jeff Lewis
Prostitution hoy. You were engaged three times.
Unknown Guest
Come on. Tell us the truth.
David Archuleta
I was a good Mormon. My. The church leaders were very close. Like, I was very involved. Even, like, very, like, had their eyes always watching me, even through, like, my dating, the engagements. There is no way in hell that I was going to do anything that was going to violate my temple covenants, which you always keep your garments on and garments like, well, that's not gonna work today. Your whole body. I know. That's why I love tank tops now.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, I love, I love.
David Archuleta
It feels so good. Like, it feels like to have my arms out because I couldn't before.
Unknown Guest
Wow.
David Archuleta
I mean, I could, but, like, we're.
Jeff Lewis
Not just talking Mormon, we're talking lds.
David Archuleta
Yeah. Like, it's Latter Day Saints.
Unknown Guest
I mean, we don't have to get, you know, specific or anything. But what about. What about oral sex and those kind of things?
Jeff Lewis
Nothing.
Unknown Guest
Nothing.
David Archuleta
I did not see porn until like a year and a half ago.
Jeff Lewis
Hold on. First of all, wow, Wait, what did you Google? Because I just.
Unknown Guest
I know. I'm curious too.
David Archuleta
It just like came up on my. Like, there was like someone. There's a couple of people who are commenting.
Unknown Guest
You sound like a 14 year old.
David Archuleta
Who just got caught on my Twitter. No, on X. And I was like, who are these people with check marks commenting on my stuff? And I would go. And they were like. It was like full on porn stars.
Jeff Lewis
You're like, who's Trey Huntxx? Just click that real quick.
David Archuleta
It was basically that. It was like, oh, this person's commenting on my stuff. And they seem to be a big fan. I'm like, oh, oh, oh, oh, big fan. Okay, David, I've never seen this before.
Jeff Lewis
All right, David, be honest. How deep did you go down the rabbit hole? Once. You clicked once. And I'm not saying this because we all went down the rabbit hole once we found it. We found it. I blew up three computers at one time. That's how much I found it at 14.
David Archuleta
Honest. I think suppressing it all my life. It didn't. It didn't. I think I was just used to having it switched off.
Jeff Lewis
It didn't affect you?
David Archuleta
Not at first. I think it's just like, you allow your body to not really need it or I don't know, like, get turned on. I. I wouldn't say I was turned on by it the first time. Like, I've found things that do turn me on since, like, recently.
Jeff Lewis
Oh, good.
David Archuleta
Like in the last, probably.
Unknown Guest
Anything to do with six Muddies.
David Archuleta
Zaddies.
Unknown Guest
Zaddies. Anything to do with Zaddies at All.
Justin Sylvester
That'S like a rich daddy.
Jeff Lewis
Yeah. Oh.
Justin Sylvester
AKA Jeff.
David Archuleta
You know, I. The first. You know, actually, I think I'm still. That's why it's like, I'm still, like.
Jeff Lewis
You'Re still figuring it out.
David Archuleta
I'm practicing it as I go. Cause I was, like, at a bar, and they were playing porn on the wall, and I was like, oh. Like, usually this. Usually it looks painful to me, but I was like, that actually looks nice. Like, that looks. No, it wasn't that. They were in love. I think they just looked like they were enjoying it.
Jeff Lewis
That wasn't porn. They were playing Bridgerton.
Unknown Guest
God.
Jeff Lewis
You Mormons.
David Archuleta
No, but they both. It was like, both. Both like, daddies. Like, they had beards. They both had beards. And I was like, that looks. That actually looks nice. That. That looked nice. Like, can we book David again? I. I didn't. I wouldn't say, like, I got an erection, but I. I would say, like, I would say that it looked like it looked nice. Like, I was like, that's pleasing. That's pleasing. Like, not in a I'm so horny right now way. But it was, like, pleasing.
Jeff Lewis
Nice.
David Archuleta
I like that.
Jeff Lewis
I like that. Damn.
David Archuleta
But I like to. I like it to look like it's enjoyable. Like, I like it when it seems like someone's being taken care of. And so when it's too hard, it just hurts my body to watch. So I think it's like. So I've, like, had to look up, like, maybe, like, soft porn or something.
Unknown Guest
Can you turn the air down, please?
David Archuleta
Yeah, I'm getting warm.
Jeff Lewis
You don't want him to.
David Archuleta
I am with the coffee, too.
Jeff Lewis
Like, here's a water.
David Archuleta
Like, oh, yeah. Thanks for reminding me.
Jeff Lewis
This is amazing, by the way. The fact that we could sit here and have this conversation.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, but that's not why he's here. He's here.
David Archuleta
Oh, my God. Am I saying too much right now? I love how, like, let me know. Feel free to step in. Ken.
Unknown Guest
We went live. Jeff was like, don't worry. We're not going to talk about sex. We're not going to. We're not going to talk about you being gay.
Jeff Lewis
I love it. Here we are, by the way.
Unknown Guest
Justin brought it up. I did not.
Jeff Lewis
I did not know. I couldn't bring it up. But I'm happy we're having.
Unknown Guest
This isn't E. News. Justin.
Jeff Lewis
Listen, I'm happy we're having this conversation because there are a lot of men in music who cannot be themselves, who have gotten too far down the rabbit hole and cannot be out and really live their true lives. It's a big thing in music. So I'm really happy that you are a young musician going the Troye Sivan route and going the Vincent route and being really open and transparent because I love Vincent.
Unknown Guest
I think the Mormon Church should sponsor this show.
David Archuleta
I think so too. Welcome ladies and gentlemen to Mario's Bistro.
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Great.
We're going to play a game called Playlist Detective.
David Archuleta
Okay, well, I'm gonna play so wired.
Unknown Guest
By this coffee, I'm gonna play a favorite song from someone in this room. Oh, and based off your first impressions of us, you're gonna have to guess who chose that song.
David Archuleta
Okay.
Unknown Guest
Okay. By the way, this is Annie.
David Archuleta
Yes, I know. Annie.
Unknown Guest
Oscar, Jameson, Kian, myself, Justin, and Shane.
Jeff Lewis
You can point.
Unknown Guest
It could be anybody. This is someone in this room's favorite song. Not Ken, though. Ken's not playing.
Jeff Lewis
Ken's not playing.
David Archuleta
Shoot.
Unknown Guest
Ken doesn't want to play.
Jeff Lewis
It was a Natalie Imbrugia girl.
David Archuleta
I don't know.
Unknown Guest
It's somebody who's emo.
David Archuleta
Is it? I was. Is it Jameson? You didn't. You didn't even have to tell me. I feel like it was. You were channeling. Yeah. Natalie. Yeah. Yeah. Case, What a great song. And wasn't that song, like, never? Was it, like, never released? No, it was never number one.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, I'm not surprised that's your favorite song.
David Archuleta
It was such a big song that never went number one in the car. Yeah, I don't know if it was, like, the macaroni.
Unknown Guest
Wait till I tell you about his playlist. But we're gonna talk about that later.
David Archuleta
Okay.
Unknown Guest
Okay, next song. Oh, somebody fun, obviously.
David Archuleta
Is it you just.
Jeff Lewis
No. Yes.
David Archuleta
Hot Peppa.
Unknown Guest
Somebody really fun.
David Archuleta
Shane.
Unknown Guest
No.
Jeff Lewis
Someone over 45.
David Archuleta
Jeff.
Unknown Guest
Yeah. Why are you surprised?
David Archuleta
I didn't. I just. Wow, That's. That's a great song.
Jeff Lewis
He graduated high school in 84, so I gotta go with that.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, 88.
David Archuleta
That's such a good song.
Unknown Guest
All right, next one. Yeah, good guess.
David Archuleta
Straight asap. Rocky.
Jeff Lewis
He tried to be too, bro. He really tried to be bro on that one.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, he sure did.
David Archuleta
That's such a good song. That's a great song, too. I have.
Unknown Guest
Yeah, I don't think that's their favorite song. It's Raining Man. All right, go ahead.
David Archuleta
Shane.
Unknown Guest
No, but.
David Archuleta
Good guy, Annie. Yeah.
Jeff Lewis
You're so predictable.
Unknown Guest
You're gonna love this one. Next one.
David Archuleta
Oh, my gosh. Oh, Justin, This. What is it? Something something Ocean, was it?
Unknown Guest
It's Billy Ocean.
David Archuleta
Billy Ocean, is it. Is it you, Oscar? Whoa.
Jeff Lewis
In the 80s, they don't make them like they used to.
David Archuleta
I do love me.
Jeff Lewis
The 80s, that is a funky beast.
Unknown Guest
Okay, so David has an album coming out this week. Okay, well, they don't make them like they used to. All right, next one.
David Archuleta
Oh, my God. What? Stalker. Oh, my God.
Unknown Guest
Stalker.
David Archuleta
Shane.
Unknown Guest
The music video where they drive out to the lake. And the Prius.
David Archuleta
Oh, my God.
Unknown Guest
All right, reel it in, Shane.
Jeff Lewis
Bro, you're getting fired today.
Unknown Guest
This is embarrassing. Annie. Please tell me this is embarrassing.
David Archuleta
It is a little embarrassing.
Unknown Guest
It's cringey.
A little softer. You said the same thing that I did.
David Archuleta
I told him I had a party when I was, like, eight to celebrate the finale. Oh, y'all are.
Jeff Lewis
Oh, my God. Y'all are all doing this.
David Archuleta
But I stopped there.
Unknown Guest
Thank you.
Jeff Lewis
You.
Unknown Guest
Thank you, Annie.
David Archuleta
That's so cute, though. Really cute, y'all.
Unknown Guest
All right, here's the last one.
David Archuleta
Okay.
Unknown Guest
Well, there's only one left.
Justin Sylvester
David.
David Archuleta
I know.
Unknown Guest
It's not Ken.
David Archuleta
I know. I feel like I've. I've said Justin so many times. Times. And I'm from.
Unknown Guest
And that's finally.
David Archuleta
That's your favorite song.
Jeff Lewis
My favorite.
David Archuleta
That songwriter wrote some other pretty amazing songs. I love how you. I. I looked it up and. No, I don't remember their names.
Unknown Guest
He knows a lot of, like, half facts.
David Archuleta
He doesn't know how to finish it. That's. I mean, that's. That's the story of my life.
Unknown Guest
Thanks for listening. If you want more of this listen of Jeff Lewis Live every weekday on SiriusXM, as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM. Applause.
Jeff Lewis Has Issues – Episode: David Archuleta & Justin Sylvester: Winning Cars & Soaking
Release Date: March 28, 2025
In this candid and engaging episode of Jeff Lewis Has Issues, host Jeff Lewis welcomes former American Idol contestant David Archuleta and musician Justin Sylvester. The trio dives deep into personal stories ranging from the highs of winning a car on a national stage to navigating complex issues of faith, sexuality, and personal growth. Throughout the episode, listeners are treated to a blend of heartfelt revelations and humorous banter, all delivered with Jeff’s trademark no-filter style.
The episode kicks off with Jeff and Justin quizzing David about his American Idol experience, particularly the surprising win of a Ford Escape despite being the season’s runner-up.
David explains his emotional attachment to the car, detailing why he chose not to exchange it like other contestants might. The practicality of the Ford Escape, with its ample storage and easy parking, made it the perfect fit for him.
A significant portion of the conversation delves into David’s Mormon background and his journey with sexuality. David shares his experiences during his Mormon mission to South America, where he began to explore his sexual identity.
The discussion introduces the concept of soaking, a Mormon practice aimed at circumventing strict sexual prohibitions. David provides an insider’s perspective on how some individuals navigate these complex rules.
David candidly talks about coming out as queer and the support he received from his mission president, highlighting a pivotal moment in his personal growth.
Transitioning to lighter topics, the conversation shifts to David’s Ford Escape and the challenges he faced, including it being broken into and the theft of his backpack containing personal items like his passport.
Justin Sylvester shares a similar experience, emphasizing the importance of securing valuable items and the frustrations that come with such mishaps.
David discusses his fitness regimen, mentioning his memberships at various gyms like Planet Fitness and encountering thefts at the gym. The group humorously debates gym preferences and shares personal anecdotes related to their fitness journeys.
Jeff and Justin add their own twists to the conversation, making the segment both informative and entertaining.
Towards the episode's end, the guests engage in a fun segment called Playlist Detective. Each person selects a favorite song, and the others must guess who chose it based on first impressions. This game showcases the group's camaraderie and reveals unexpected musical preferences.
David Archuleta (36:26): "I was still blown away by that."
Jeff Lewis (37:54): "But someone, something put you there in order for..."
The playful nature of this segment adds a lighthearted conclusion to the episode, allowing listeners to connect with the guests on a more personal and relatable level.
Jeff Lewis (01:02): "When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops."
David Archuleta (25:13): "And I was so tired of trying to be what I'm supposed to and failing because I was like, I need to be straight."
Jeff Lewis (31:01): "This is amazing, by the way. The fact that we could sit here and have this conversation."
This episode offers a raw and unfiltered look into David Archuleta’s life beyond the spotlight. From the bittersweet triumph of winning a car on a reality TV show to the profound struggles of reconciling faith with personal identity, David’s stories resonate with authenticity and vulnerability. Justin Sylvester complements the conversation with his own experiences, adding depth and humor to the discussion.
Jeff Lewis facilitates the conversation seamlessly, balancing serious topics with moments of levity. The episode underscores themes of resilience, the importance of self-acceptance, and the power of supportive relationships in overcoming personal challenges.
Listeners are left with a profound appreciation for the guests' honesty and the nuanced way Jeff navigates complex issues, making this episode both insightful and deeply engaging for those who tune in.
Conclusion:
Jeff Lewis Has Issues continues to deliver compelling and heartfelt conversations, and this episode featuring David Archuleta and Justin Sylvester is no exception. Whether grappling with personal demons or sharing lighthearted moments, the trio exemplifies the essence of authentic dialogue. Subscribers can look forward to more unfiltered stories and genuine connections in future episodes.
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