Gia Giudice & Jennifer Fessler: Christmas Reunion & Missing Mascara

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Gia Giudice & Jennifer Fessler: Christmas Reunion & Missing Mascara
Release Date: January 7, 2026
Host: Jeff Lewis
Guests: Gia Giudice, Jennifer Fessler

Episode Overview

This episode is a lively, humor-laced conversation featuring “Real Housewives” personalities Gia Giudice and Jennifer Fessler. The main theme revolves around family reunions—specifically, the long-anticipated Christmas reconciliation between the Giudice and Gorga families—holiday food critiques, personal anecdotes about gifting and holiday travel misadventures, and a taste test tour through Midwest Danishes (Kringle). As always, Jeff delivers with disarming candor and irreverent wit, sparring playfully with his guests and co-hosts as they dish on Bravo gossip, generational family drama, and their own personal “issues.”

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Highlights & Key Discussion Points

1. Holiday Fashion and Fur: Social Judgments vs. Personal Style

• [01:36] Jennifer Fessler debates wearing a holiday sweater, ultimately choosing black to avoid getting “dragged” by Jeff.
• [02:07] Gia talks about wearing faux fur, revealing candidly, "I'm not, but it is a very judgmental area, I feel."
• [02:14–03:33] Jeff admits to buying his daughter Monroe a dyed pink vintage fox fur coat, sparking backlash:
  • Jeff: "What do you want to do with all those furs that are 50 or 40 or 60 years old? ... I didn't commission the fur coat. I didn't kill any animals."
  • The group discusses the complexity of wearing vintage fur and social accountability.

2. Holiday Travel Drama: Parenting on the Go

• [07:30–08:51] Jeff confesses to a chaotic travel day with Monroe—forgetting passports and UNO games, doubling back home repeatedly, and parenting sans assistants or nannies.
  • Jeff: "It's parenting. It's exhausting."
  • Gia: "Left, Right, Center is so fun."
• [08:27] Gambling with kids and family games comes up:
  • "We'll get up to a thousand dollar games... but Monroe isn't a high roller because I told her you can't gamble what you don't have."

3. Giudice–Gorga Christmas Reunion: A Reconciliation Miracle

• [05:56–14:04] The central segment is Gia’s recount of the Christmas Eve spent with the Gorga family after years of estrangement:
  • Jeff: “I was shocked to see on Instagram that your family and the Gorgas got together for Christmas Eve.”
  • Gia: “Yeah, they invited us around Thanksgiving... we were gonna spend Christmas together.”
  • It was the first time in years the two families gathered, with cameras conspicuously absent.
  • Discussions included critiques of the catered food ("It was okay...we want the seven fishes!") and a shared desire for future co-cooked family meals.
  • The emotional tenor was high, with Gia describing breaking the ice with cousins and heartfelt one-on-ones with Antonia and Joe Gorga:
    • Gia: "It was more so just like communicating, me voicing to him why I was so angry at that time…realizing we’re both entitled to our feelings.”

Memorable Quotes

• Jennifer Fessler [17:08]: “This child is twenty? She’s very evolved. But you were forced to grow up at a very young age.”
• Gia [17:08]: “Now it’s time to move on.”
• Jeff [21:10]: "If you really want to bury this, you gotta find something to be responsible, accountable, and apologize for ... even if we're 100% right."
• Gia [21:53]: "Felt, though, as the oldest, that it was a little, you know, it was kind of on me ... I was her person."

Gifts and Traditions

• No “Envy” clothing this Christmas, but thoughtful gifts like BAES luggage; sprinkle cookies and cake (with a mini sidebar debate on whether the cake or cookies are better).
• Gia admits, "I'm not really a cookie person," causing mock horror from Jeff and crew.

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4. Celebrity Life, Therapy, and Public Pressure

• [23:44–25:10] Gia opens up about trying, but not enjoying therapy:
  • Gia: “You have to just, like, in the first couple therapy sessions, explain your story...I just never really connected with anyone.”
  • The group commiserates about “catching up” therapists and how public figures get pressured to reconcile.
• [25:15–26:53] On family feuds being “team Teresa vs. team Melissa” and how public opinion can exacerbate drama:
  • Gia: “There should be no teams, because at the end of the day, you’re hoping for a family to stay broken.”

5. Real Housewives Musings and BravoBantr

• [27:05–27:41] Jeff expresses nostalgia for when Teresa and Melissa were united, dreaming of new alliances for the show.
  • Jeff: “I'd like to see Teresa and Melissa together go after someone. Yeah, like Danielle. You know what I mean? I want to see, like, a union, a camaraderie.”
• [27:45] Playfully offers up Jen Fessler as “the sacrificial lamb” in a hypothetical show takedown.

6. The Mascara Crisis: Parenting a Young Diva

• [31:49–35:47] Jeff recounts Monroe’s mini-meltdown after losing mascara and travel perfume mid-flight:
  • Jeff: “She tells me, ‘A woman never leaves the house without her lipstick or lip gloss.’”
  • A running joke about “missing mascara” and the perils of raising a stylish, OCD-prone child:
    • Jeff: “She’s nine. I am not kidding when I say I work for her.”
  • The story ends with Monroe negotiating a trip to Sephora and bartering for a spending limit.

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7. Midwest Danishes & the Kringle Saga

• [40:00–47:58] Jennifer Fessler excitedly reveals her new brand partnership with “Kringle” pastry (a Danish specialty from Racine, Wisconsin):
  • Jen: "It's absolutely delicious…the almond (flavor), delicious."
  • On promotion: “What am I doing for them? I’m talking about them on Jeff Lewis.”
  • Amused skepticism from Jeff at the “Kringle hype,” leading to playful ribbing about the merits of free pastries as payment.
  • Multiple callers (Sandy from Memphis, Casey from a truck in West Virginia) weigh in, sharing Kringle history and favorite flavors, confirming its cult status in Wisconsin and beyond.

Notable Kringle Quotes

• Jeff [42:02]: “You know why? ‘Cause she’s not selling it. That's the problem. We don’t know what the fuck it is.”
• Jen [44:29]: “The whole vibe of Kringle is that it’s cozy. There’s a word for it that I don’t know.”
• Sandy (caller) [45:39]: “The reason it’s called a kringle is because…the origin of that word is oval or round. So the Danish is round, almost like a pretzel with the hole in the middle.”

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8. Quick Fire: Lounge Drama, Kidney Stones & Random Anecdotes

• [37:43–39:36] Jeff tells of "Doug" missing the trip due to a kidney stone, a detailed aside about ER visits and hiring a “lesbian doctor” for best care.
• [40:01–42:55] Jen’s Kringle partnership, listeners’ obsession, and group brainstorming over Danish pastry flavors and “cozy” branding.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Jeff [05:56]: "I was shocked to see on Instagram that your family and the Gorgas got together for Christmas Eve."
• Gia [06:04]: "Yeah, they invited us around Thanksgiving, so we've known for quite some time now that we were gonna spend Christmas together."
• Gia [07:01]: "We're Italian. We want the seven fishes. We want all the seafood."
• Jeff [13:39]: "That's good. That's actually a good thing [that there's no alcohol at the reunion]."
• Gia [17:08]: "It was more so just like communicating me, voicing ...why I was so angry at that time, like, what angered me ... but now it's time to move on."
• Jeff [21:10]: "If you really want to bury this, you gotta find something to be responsible, accountable, and apologize for."
• Gia [21:53]: "I felt, though, as the oldest, that ... it was kind of on me ... I was her person."
• Jeff [31:49]: "Now you girls in your makeup, my God, like, we had a full blown emergency on this flight... She's like, I need my mascara."
• Gia [35:51]: "[Monroe] is raising a little diva."

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:36] – Holiday outfits and judgment
• [05:56] – Real Housewives Christmas Eve reunion
• [13:39] – Private reconciliation logistics
• [17:08] – Emotional resolution with Joe Gorga
• [21:10] – On letting go & apologizing
• [23:44] – Gia and therapy/trauma
• [27:05] – Bravo family “team” culture
• [31:49] – The “missing mascara” saga
• [35:47] – Barbie houses & holiday gifts
• [40:01] – Kringle brand, tasting, and listener calls

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Tone & Style

The episode is candid, irreverent, and thoroughly unfiltered—Jeff Lewis delivers his signature sarcasm while fostering honest, sometimes poignant conversations (especially on family and forgiveness). Gia Giudice stands out as composed and articulate, while Jennifer Fessler occupies the comic-relief role, lampooning her own influencer endeavors and Midwest pastry knowledge.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers a revealing and often hilarious inside look at family healing, the realities of celebrity life, the quirks of holiday traditions and gifting, and the outsized drama that comes with parenting, reality TV, and even Danish pastries. Both fans of the Real Housewives universe and casual listeners are treated to unfiltered storytelling—underscored by vulnerability and razor wit.

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[D]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[A]

I have no problem prioritizing myself.

[D]

I'm glad that you're feeling so good about this, but the truth is, I got fired and it's your fucking fault.

[A]

She gets paid for this shit.

[C]

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[D]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[A]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis Has Issues. In this episode, Gia Giudice and Jennifer Fessler join the show. From New York City. We talk about my holiday travel drama, Midwest Danishes and a Christmas reconciliation miracle. Good afternoon.

[D]

Hi. Merry Christmas.

[A]

Thank you for not wearing any holiday sweaters. I know you considered it, Jen Fessler.

[D]

I did.

[A]

You were.

[D]

I had it all set out and.

[A]

Then you thought, wait, where am I going? They're gonna drag me. Which we would have. So you went with all black?

[D]

Yes, I was gonna. I had like a little red thing with a bow. I was gonna be all Mrs. Claus and didn't. Yeah, I was like, you have to think through where you're going.

[A]

Yes. Safe choice.

[D]

You had been ruthless. Yes.

[A]

Gia. I had asked you if you got a blowout for me. You said no. You should have said yes.

[B]

I should have.

[A]

Yes. You did that yourself.

[B]

I did.

[A]

Wow. Okay. Looks good. Is that all your hair?

[B]

No extensions.

[A]

Oh, they look. They look very, very natural, I think.

[C]

Blends right in.

[A]

As does your faux fur coat.

[B]

Yes, my faux fur.

[A]

That's a good fake.

[B]

It is naked wardrobe.

[A]

Are you afraid of wearing real fur? Being judged?

[B]

I'm not, but it is a very judgmental area, I feel.

[A]

Yeah, it's. Fester and I were talking about this because I bought Monroe A. It's a dyed pink fox fur coat. And I found it in a place down here in New York. And so I'm starting to get hate for it.

[D]

I don't think it's that it's fur. I think it's the fact that she's like eight.

[C]

First of all, she's nine.

[D]

Oh, nine. Oh, well, in that case, she's turned eight. She's turned nine, in that case.

[B]

But you're allowed to spoil your child.

[A]

Oh, you think that. No, no. They're upset that it's real fur. So, you know, I just let them. And then once in a while I'll comment back. And so this guy was really judgmental and I just said, all right, what do you want to do with all those furs that were. That are 50 or 40 or 60 years old? What do you want to do with them? Should we bury them? Should we throw them away? I go, I didn't commission the fur coat. I didn't commission it. I didn't kill any animals.

[D]

No. Just exists in the world. You had to buy it.

[C]

It's vintage and we had a custom for her. And it's like we're giving it a new life.

[A]

We went down to this warehouse, which is wall to wall vintage furs. And what are we gonna do? We're just gonna leave all those 5,000 furs?

[D]

Can't say no to that.

[A]

What are we gonna do? We're leave 5000 furs in the warehouse where no one wears them.

[D]

I start worrying about the animals.

[C]

You want us to wear plastic from Zara?

[A]

The animals died 50 years ago.

[B]

And I think there's more to it. It's not like I don't think about that, you know, I just like the way the coat looks. I'd rather not think about what happened to get the coat.

[D]

I mean, right, that's why they're popular, for the future. Right. People don't like to think it through. Exactly. That animals were tortured so that you could wear that fur around your miserable body.

[A]

Did you just get in from bail?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

How was it? You don't ski.

[D]

Not good.

[A]

You don't ski.

[C]

Did you see Cameron Matheson?

[D]

No.

[A]

He was. He's in bail.

[C]

He's in bail?

[D]

Would you put me on sometimes?

[A]

Do you have a tracker on his phone? How do you know this?

[C]

Because he talked about it at length. He was driving to bail.

[A]

Oh, I didn't. Yeah, I get distracted.

[D]

No, I'm not a fan.

[A]

That's not where he was going.

[D]

Not a fan?

[A]

You're not a Fan of Cameron.

[D]

Big fan of Cameron.

[A]

But not a Vail. Not a Vail because you're not a skier.

[D]

Right.

[A]

Did Jeff Fessler ski?

[D]

Yes, but it was record highs in Vail. So, like, it was reaching a high of 30 years or something. And it was like 45 degrees. There was no snow.

[B]

Oh, wow.

[D]

And he doesn't ski a lot. My son and Jeff went and it was not. It was miserable. So they're all like bundled up at the top of the hill and they're sweating buckets and there's not like great snow. And it was like all one hill. They closed all the other ones because of the snow. So no, it was not good.

[B]

Oh, that's unfortunate.

[A]

Wait, Rachel didn't go to Vail.

[D]

I can't take when you say Rachel. The fact that you even know my daughter's name still freaks me out. She did go to Vail.

[A]

Have you seen Rachel? She's so cute.

[B]

Yeah, actually, small world. But her boyfriend roomed with one of my best friends at Indiana.

[A]

Harrison.

[C]

Do you like him?

[B]

You know, they're so cute. And my Christian actually ended up knowing Harrison. It was like such a small world. And then I saw Rachel. Halloween in New York.

[A]

Rachel's on her way to Florida right now to see Harrison.

[D]

Don't start. Just keep moving. I'm not doing exactly. I know what you're doing.

[A]

I'm not keeping anything.

[D]

Keep moving. We're not starting with Harrison.

[A]

Is it Keon that called him a little bitch?

[D]

Yeah, that's cause Keon has a thing for Rachel. Just stop. Stop it.

[A]

Keon and Rachel be so cute together.

[D]

I know. Could you stop? Can we keep moving?

[A]

You would love Keyon as a son in law.

[C]

Oh, my God. He'd be the cutest little son in law.

[A]

He's funny too.

[D]

And he's gorgeous and charming. I love him. And once before, I compared him to Harrison and it didn't go well for me after. So can we just keep it moving?

[A]

Sure. Okay.

[D]

Thank you.

[A]

So, I mean, we can discuss the elephant in the room.

[B]

You're getting a call from Rachel after this.

[D]

Yeah, I know.

[A]

Gia, I was shocked to see on Instagram that your family and the Gorgas got together for Christmas Eve.

[B]

Yeah, they invited us around Thanksgiving, so we've known for quite some time now that we were gonna spend Christmas together.

[A]

Were there cameras there? No. Oh. Just wondering. I don't care why they reconciled. I'm just happy they reconciled.

[B]

Same.

[A]

All right, so the invite was on Thanksgiving.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For Christmas Eve. And the Gorgas had it at their home?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

How was the food?

[B]

It was okay.

[A]

Yeah, that's why. Did Melissa cook?

[B]

No, they had a. They had it. They had a cater.

[A]

Cause you're being nice if that's the case.

[B]

No, they had it catered. She didn't cook. But I like, even next year, like, my mom even said it, they should all cook together because it's always better. Even when my mom caters. It just. It is what it is. There were certain things that were good, but, like, we're Italian. We want the seven fishes. We want, like all the seafood and.

[A]

So your mom hated the food and talked shit about it? No, we.

[B]

We like. No, we're just. No, no, we didn't talk. We just said it could have been better.

[D]

No one is talking about anyone in that house.

[A]

The catering is never as good as.

[B]

Never as good. I mean, listen, my mom also catered on Christmas, and my mom was like, next year I want to tell my brother, like, we should cook together, because if you have help, then it's easier, but when you're doing it all by yourself, it's too much.

[C]

Especially with there's kids, cousins, there's.

[B]

It's just too much.

[A]

So next year with Monroe, by myself. I know what you're talking about. That was insane.

[C]

Your. Your six hour flight.

[A]

Yeah. Oh, God, it's parenting. It's exhausting.

[C]

It's a six hour flight and you took a one hour nap.

[A]

Okay, so let me just tell you how and we'll. We'll go back to the party because I have lots of questions for you. So I didn't have anybody. No assistants, no nannies. We had to turn around twice and go back home because first I forgot the passport.

[B]

No.

[A]

And then Monroe was like, I forgot Uno. Now Uno is very important in our family. Like it. It. It really? Because otherwise I. We have to talk. So it's better. It's better that we play cards.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So we had to turn around. I was like, art, I'm really sorry. I'm gonna. I'm gonna tip you so well. But we gotta go back again. Yeah. So we had to go back and get the. Did your family play Uno or left, right, center?

[B]

Left, right, center.

[A]

How fun is that?

[B]

So fun.

[A]

Did you play for Christmas Eve?

[D]

My.

[B]

No, my aunt. My Zia Maria does. My dad's side. They play games.

[A]

Did you ever play it, Fessler?

[D]

No, we don't play games in my family.

[A]

You would like it. It's gambling. It's fun.

[B]

Yeah, it's fun. It's with like you do it with like. We do it with coins.

[E]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, we do, like, with money.

[A]

We do like.

[B]

You could do like 20 bucks.

[A]

We start. We start at 20s.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, but sometimes with Monroe, you start. Start with 20s.

[A]

Yeah, but I have to give her the 20. But yeah.

[C]

How generous.

[A]

But yeah, we'll get up. We'll get up to a thousand dollar games.

[D]

That's with Monroe.

[B]

It's fine.

[A]

Well, she. No, she backs out after the $20 games. Yeah, no, she's not a high roller because I told her you can't gamble what you don't have.

[B]

So then what? There's like, a decent amount of you, then you have like eight or like, you know, a decent amount of people. So everyone puts in 20.

[A]

Yeah, that's fun. It's a good time. You'd like it because it doesn't require a lot of thought.

[D]

Yeah, right.

[A]

There's no strategy. There's no.

[D]

That is. I mean, you're onto something.

[A]

You just rolled it up.

[D]

I'm not into board games. Never was.

[C]

But playing with their family, stressful because they're not happy for you when you win. Like, everyone's pissed that it's not them.

[A]

Well, Kian, your future son.

[D]

Why are you saying it like that?

[A]

Because I know it's gonna get all lit up. No, I love him for you guys.

[D]

Really.

[A]

I want him to be part of your family.

[C]

Keon Fessler.

[A]

Sorry, Harrisler.

[B]

That's crazy. Who is Keon?

[C]

He's the other guy who works with us.

[D]

I'm in so much trouble.

[A]

He's our other producer.

[D]

No, you don't understand.

[A]

You've met him.

[B]

Oh, have I?

[D]

He's gorgeous, adorable, charming.

[A]

He almost lost his life.

[B]

What?

[A]

Because on Thanksgiving, we brought him in for the first time. He won three games in a row of left, right, center. And I swear to God, my family was about to beat the shit out of him. They were gonna. They were gonna pull him outside and fucking bury him in the yard. That's how. That's. Yeah, it's.

[C]

It's high stakes.

[A]

It's poor winners and poor losers.

[B]

Wait, my friends are coming over tonight.

[D]

I want.

[B]

Now I want to play.

[A]

You have to play.

[B]

And I want to play with 20 bucks. But we need some. We Some name.

[C]

What is it?

[B]

You need some. What's that saying in the game?

[D]

Make up the stakes at the ante.

[B]

And now.

[A]

Skin in the game.

[B]

Skin in the game.

[A]

There you go. Start with fives, go to tens, go to 20s.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Bring a couple hundreds just in case.

[B]

Yeah, I have some Christmas money.

[A]

Mm. What'd you get it from, Mom?

[B]

My nana.

[A]

Oh, Nana.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

What did. Because Luis gives real good gifts. I've seen what he's given your mom. What'd she get this year?

[B]

They actually did, like, a vacation. They've been on, like, two vacations in the past, like, two weeks.

[A]

So they're doing vacays.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is that because there's just no more room on her body for any more jewelry?

[B]

No, I mean, when my mom really puts the jewelry on, it's insane. It's like, up to here, the priceless. It's crazy.

[D]

I never saw, like, just watching you guys on Instagram. You get glammed for Christmas.

[B]

Yeah, we do.

[D]

Can you see what's got. It's like the dresses, the dress, the tits out.

[A]

It's like the Kardashians.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

No, Christmas Eve. She always likes us to look fabulous. And then Christmas Day is pajamas, which I love.

[A]

Plus, I mean, your mom had to know that those photographs were gonna go everywhere, and they did. I think you guys were on page six this morning.

[B]

Were we?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, that's fun.

[D]

You don't get, like, I can't believe that you allowed me on today. Like, everybody in the world.

[A]

We couldn't find anyone else.

[D]

I know.

[B]

We're lying.

[D]

Fair enough.

[A]

She has been book since, like, August.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

No, we saw Bravocon.

[A]

Jen, when did you get your call?

[D]

I got, like, three days ago. You're like, what Jew can I call to come on the day after Christmas.

[C]

We had Patty Stinger.

[D]

Yes, exactly.

[B]

And even at Bravocon, they were like, are you sure? Like, day after Christmas, I'm like, yeah, it's fine. I was like, I'll be fine.

[D]

I mean, it's huge. This is like, the first interview after, like, go ask her some good questions. Like, I have so many. So much shit. I want to know.

[A]

But you're co host. Go ahead, ask.

[C]

I'm too scared.

[D]

I'm too scared. I just want to know how, like, everyone got along. Was it. I'm gonna let you do this.

[A]

You already started it.

[D]

People want to know. Ask the question.

[C]

So who reached out to who first?

[A]

Yes, good question.

[B]

In general.

[C]

It was just.

[B]

You're saying in general or about Christmas?

[C]

For Christmas?

[A]

In general. No, in general. Who reached out? Let's go there. Did Joe reach out or did your mom reach out?

[B]

My mom.

[A]

Nice. Okay, good.

[B]

And then that's.

[A]

Your mom is grown.

[B]

Yeah. I'm not kidding. It was like, after special Forces and after our interview with you. Yeah, you, like, you talked some you talked some magic.

[D]

Get out.

[A]

No, we did.

[B]

No, she did.

[A]

We did have a deep, long talk about this.

[D]

I was there. I don't remember. I was on first.

[A]

You're so self involved. All you know is, like, you're on your phone.

[D]

You're absolutely right.

[A]

And you were staring at Kian. You're like, all right, when are you gonna be in New York so I can introduce you to my daughter?

[D]

I was like that. Stop.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

So they had their first conversations. That was pre BravoCon. Cause at BravoCon, that was the first time that it really was public.

[B]

Public, yeah. But they didn't even make, like, their convers or anything like that. It was. They met alone at the cemetery first. And it was just them at first, Just my mom and her brother. Then after that conversation went really well. So then they were like, okay, now it's time to have a conversation, us four. So then my mom, Louie, my zio Melissa, and my zio Joe all met at a park. And then they had a really nice talk from there. They went to Willow and Whisk after to eat.

[A]

So it worked out well if they went from the park to dinner. Yeah.

[B]

And then they figured at Willow and Whisk, you know, it's a very. Yeah, it's like a very popular brunch spot in Bergen County.

[D]

Except there's no alcohol served there.

[B]

There isn't.

[A]

That's good. That's actually a good thing.

[B]

Yeah, but so they figured, you know, they were gonna go to Willow and Whisk. And I'm pretty sure, like, I'm. I think people picked it up there. Like, people took pictures of them, and that's kind of how it got out.

[D]

But they.

[B]

They were like, okay, whatever. We can't hide forever. They went to the cemetery. They went to the park. Like, now. They were like, we're good. And.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Then from there, there was just a lot of communication. Just talking every day and just always, like, just maintaining the peace, talking through things. And then I went to Geno and Joey's football game, like, alone, by myself. I was just, like, in the stands with, like, my dog. With my dog Bella, just watching their football game. And it was. It was so. It was so cute. They're both beasts. They're insane. Like, Geno is such an amazing athlete. So is Joey. Joey was bulldozing down that field. He's like, you know, we're Italian. We know we're tiny. We're short. But, like, the way Joey bulldozed down that field, I was like, jaw dropped. And then I Called my mom after. Cause she used to watch my Zio Joe, like, play football her entire life. My uncle went to college for football, so he was really good. And I was like, I've never seen obviously Xio Joe play, but how good he was, like, Joey has to be him on the football field. Like, there's no way. And I was telling Joey that on Christmas Eve, and he goes, yeah. And I was injured, too. I was like, that was you injured? I was like, that's crazy.

[A]

How long had it been since you talked to your cousins? Long years.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Two years, three years, four years.

[B]

I mean, when did my mom get married?

[A]

I don't know. When your mom got married.

[D]

Three? At least three.

[A]

We can look it up.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah. I think, like, three years.

[A]

Must have been so nice to reconnect. What about Antonia? It was.

[B]

It was good. It was really good. I mean, my family got to Christmas Eve a little before me. Cause I had to spend it with Christian's family first. So I think I got there, like, 20 minutes later than that.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

But it was. I think they broke the ice. So then when I walked in, I was just like, hey, everyone. And we were like, drinks. Like, it was like, you know what?

[D]

Like, really was the picture you sitting on Joe Gord's lap.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Cause I remember just, like, when you guys got into that one fight, which I will not bring up, but there was a fight. You just need to spread it. I know. Yeah. When you got into that vicious fight a few years ago. But, like, you were his girl.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, like, he always talked about how you were the first.

[A]

You're the oldest.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, it was just everything, you know, I was the oldest. The firstborn. Like, my aunt came into my life when I was 3. So, like, my uncle, like, literally praised me. Cause I was the. I was the baby. So he was over my mom and dad's house every day. Like, I was like, his baby, but. But, yeah. So, you know, and we talked through all that, too. And it was, you know, it was more so just like communicating me, voicing to him, you know, why I was so angry at that time, like, what angered me. And, like, he said his side, and it was, you know, I think, growing and just learning through everything. I am, like, I'm entitled to my opinion. He's entitled to his opinion. I can't take his feelings away. And I can't take my feelings away. So it was more so like, just dishing everything out, but realizing, like, we're both entitled to, like, our Feelings and opinions. But now it's time to move on.

[D]

This child is 20.

[A]

No. She's very evolved. But you were forced to grow up at a very young age.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is why you're so together and responsible. And, you know, it's like talking to. It is Obviously, you look 17 years old, but it's like talking to a 40 year old. Everybody says that.

[B]

They're like, you're so young.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You look so young.

[A]

So I do have a question. Did you guys exchange gifts?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Did you get a lot of clothes from Envy?

[B]

No, we didn't. I love her so much, but this is actually. No. Love her so much, but this is actually the first year because obviously we've spent Christmases together before, but this is the first year. No clothes from Envy.

[C]

Wow.

[A]

Oh, but there's some nice things from Envy, though. Of course. Were you bummed?

[B]

Of course.

[A]

Did you get sprinkle cookies?

[B]

Yeah, she obviously had her sprinkle cookies.

[A]

I think they're real good. She sent them to me for the holidays. I still love those sprinkle cookies.

[D]

They are good. Me, too.

[C]

I like the cake.

[A]

He loved the cake.

[D]

I like the cake better.

[A]

Did your mom like the sprinkle cookies? Be honest. Or did she talk shit in the car on the way home?

[D]

No, no.

[B]

I mean, regardless, I think the cake is better, and I told her that.

[A]

I see. I think the cookies are better.

[B]

Really? That's funny.

[A]

I think the cake is too sweet for me.

[B]

Okay.

[D]

I'm a sweet girl.

[B]

I like crumb cake, though. And, like, the crumb on top and everything was really good. I thought the cake was also really, like, moist. Like, it was, like, so dense and moist. Yes.

[D]

Do you like anisette? I feel like there's aniset in the cookies. Is there? Is that that licorice? That, like, kind of licorice flavor?

[B]

I think there might be.

[D]

Is that like an Italian thing?

[B]

Well, there's also almond paste or maybe almonds. Yeah. But I like the sprinkle cookies for me. And they were like, a little like. I don't love. I don't love bakery cookies.

[D]

Maybe don't put down your aunt's sprinkle cookies today.

[A]

No, no, no, no, no.

[B]

No. Wow.

[A]

So you really hate those cookies.

[D]

No, I like that.

[C]

I like the.

[D]

What kind of cookies do you like, Gia? No leaks.

[A]

Not even. Just anything. Listen, Melissa's.

[B]

No. Are you out of your mind? Not even. I'm not a. I'm not like a cookie person.

[A]

Wow. Okay. All right.

[B]

No, I get it now, guys. I'M not kidding. I really like the kids.

[A]

Wait, is this the first time you've been to the new house?

[B]

Yeah. It's gorgeous.

[A]

I know. It is.

[B]

Yeah. Really good.

[A]

They did a really nice job with that house. You've been there, right?

[D]

Yes. Gorgeous. I mean it.

[A]

So everything was good except for the sprinkle cookies and the food and the catering.

[C]

Real interesting.

[A]

And you're very happy you didn't get any clothes from Envy?

[B]

No, I mean, our gifts were awesome. She got us carry on luggages from baes with the weekenders on top of them. It was like, perfect.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

Yeah, because we're thoughtful gifts. So nice. Cause she was like, we always travel. It was a really nice gift. I got a brown base set. Like, it was so cute. Cute.

[D]

I don't know what bees is.

[B]

Luggage.

[D]

Luggage.

[A]

So I noticed the biggest problem between your mom and your uncle were that they can't let shit go. They. They bring it up from, like, years ago. Are we all committed now to, like, move, really, truly move on and not, like, even if we have a couple drinks in us, to not bring up the past? Because that usually is where, if things go wrong.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. No, I think they have to forget move on. They have to.

[C]

It sounds like they're doing it right in the sense that you were actually talking through things. I think the issue is when we say, okay, we're gonna forgive and forget and not bring it up, but you don't.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, listen, even when I showed up, you know, I had, you know, my own side conversation with Antonia. Like, even when we were opening gifts, I was definitely a couple drinks in. But it was the only time where we were alone without, like. Cause she had some company over just like her close friends that, like, she spends Christmas Eve with. But it was the only time where we were actually alone, just us. And I even said something like, to my cousins, like, I'm sorry for, like, the disconnect. And I'm so happy that, like, we're here in a place where we're together. And it was kind of just even, I think, you know, my mom and my aunt, that everyone, like, chimed in and they were just like, you know, let bygones be bygones and we have to move on something.

[A]

Very smart that it took me until I was 54 to learn that. You've learned now in. In when there's situations of conflict or even disagreement, Even if you're 100% right, which, by the way, sometimes I am. Not all the time, but sometimes I'm a hundred percent. Right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You can't. If you really want to bury this, you gotta find something to be responsible, accountable, and apologize for.

[B]

Of course.

[A]

So there's. I had a disagreement with a friend recently. I am 100% right. But I had to, like, really figure out. I'm like, oh, you know where I went wrong? I should have communicated sooner. Right. It's a bullshit. It's total bullshit.

[D]

Totally insincere.

[A]

Absolutely. But I had to give her something because otherwise there was going to be no movement.

[C]

Right.

[A]

Even if we're 100% right.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So you did good even by, you know. Because, look, you kids have nothing to do with this.

[B]

No, we don't.

[A]

You don't really owe any of the cousins an apology. You don't, but it's good that you did.

[B]

I fe. Felt, though, as the oldest, that it was a little, you know, it was kind of on me. Not on me, but I just felt like I had to say something. And, you know, our situations were different. And I also explained that to them. Like, my mom, you know, her husband wasn't around. She was by herself. And it was me as the oldest who was there for her. So. Yeah. Did I maybe get involved into adult family conversation? Sure. But it was because she didn't have her partner there to help her or defend her, help her work through these situations. Like, I was her person. So that was kind of what I explained also. And I think that's when you sit back and you're like, okay, I understand, like, every family's put in a different situation. But that's why, like, mine was a little different because our dad was gone for majority of the feud.

[A]

Well, that brings up a good point. I wonder. I'm sure this is. I'm sure it's something that the Gorgas have considered. Your mom has been through something that most people have not been through. Right. So as a result, there's a lot of trauma. Right, of course. So I think that, like with Jen, for example, we have a lot of empathy for Jen and we, you know, we cut you a lot of slack.

[D]

I appreciate it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, it's funny. Cause season 14, so I don't. Whatever scene it was. I think it was Danielle's bougie party or something. And you were there with your mom. And we're just like kind of shooting.

[A]

She's not coming back, right? Who, Danielle? Please tell me.

[D]

I don't know nothing about nothing. Anyway. I don't know. Anyway.

[A]

Anyone else?

[D]

Anyone else, Anyway.

[A]

And that clothing line. Oh, my. Okay.

[D]

Anyway. Gia.

[A]

Who would put their kids in those clothes?

[D]

So we are child abuse. I can't. I actually like Danielle. She's a nice woman.

[A]

I'd rather Monroe bean fur every day instead of wear that.

[C]

That's a booshi, kid.

[D]

So anyway, we're talking and whatever. It's a scene. We're shooting the shit. And everything that comes out of Theresa's mouth is followed by something that Gia says, translating. Like, I'm like, Gia. Like, she would say something, and then Gia would be like, what? She means Jen is. And I was like, this child is. Has. She is so such an old soul therapy.

[C]

She speaks Teresa.

[A]

A lot of therapy.

[B]

Yeah, actually, no. I tried therapy. Didn't really love it.

[A]

Wow, she must be healthy and grounded.

[B]

I know, I know.

[D]

A lot of people love therapy.

[B]

No, I'm sorry.

[A]

I'm talking to the rock. I'm not talking to you, Jen. Could you imagine that change.

[D]

Go on gm?

[B]

Yeah, no, no. I know people like. And I really gave it a shot. I even tried to, like, I got a life coach. I really tried. I just never connected with anyone. Cause I definitely had some trauma that I. I probably still could work through and talk.

[D]

My guess is yes.

[B]

I'm voting yes, 100%. But I just never really connected with someone. And you know what's annoying? You have to just, like, in the first couple therapy sessions, explain your story.

[A]

Yeah. Over. Catch up.

[D]

And the therapist has to pretend like they don't know with you.

[B]

And I'm like.

[D]

They're like.

[B]

I'm like, do I really need to explain all this? Like, this is what happened. It's like, I tell this story every day. It's like I'm so over it.

[A]

Like, well, maybe they want to hear it coming from you and your perspective. Right?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And how you. And how you choose to look at it and interpret it. Yeah. So I think that's probably important.

[B]

No, you're right.

[A]

I want to ask you something. So you're from a very public family, Right. Do you think that the public pressure. Like, I know, for example, like, I happen to really love the Gorgas, and I happen to really love your mom and Louie. So for me, like, I would love to see a reconciliation. Right. And I imagine with. With the millions of fans out there, that there was. Was there public pressure? Because I've had also a lot of conflicts. And what happens is.

[C]

What?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Not you. Stop it.

[A]

Shocking. Yeah. And I find that sometimes I'll get DMs. Like, you know, you guys were so good together, and you had so much fun together. And this person was so good on the radio. And would you ever consider. And there's no familiar familial connection. And I'm just curious, did they ever. Do you think that the public support had something to do with it?

[B]

Well, I think the biggest thing was, you know, my. My aunt. I liked her Instagram caption. My uncle also said something at BravoCon, so did my mom. Like, we all did. It's like, don't question it, just support it. And I think, you know, obviously there was teams. Team Teresa, team Melissa. Like, it was so ugly like, that. It came to a point of, there should be no teams, because at the end of the day, you're just hoping for a family to stay broken. And that's kind of why their whole. Like, when we even are talking about it in the press, it's just support it. Don't we don't. You know, you should be happy that the family is reconciled and reconnected. Like, just keep your opinions to yourself.

[A]

But I think you'd be surprised at how many are Team Both.

[B]

They are, right?

[A]

Because I've been watching from day one. I don't know. What season are they on now? Real House.

[D]

Well, they're not right now. They're on no season.

[A]

What was the last season?

[D]

14. Yeah.

[A]

So, you know, obviously I remember in the very beginning. Right. And so you're nostalgic for when they were together. And I was thinking about this morning when I was getting ready. I'm like, okay, what would I like to see next season? I'd like to see Teresa and Melissa together, go after someone. Yeah, you're right. Like Danielle. You know what I mean? Like, I'd like to see. You know what I mean? Like, I want to see, like, a union, like a camaraderie. I want to have each other's back.

[C]

And take down Gen Fest.

[D]

I knew that was coming. 100%.

[B]

No.

[D]

Yeah, that sounds like a lot of fun.

[A]

No.

[D]

Theresa and Melissa bond together to take my ass down.

[B]

No, they would never.

[A]

You could be the sacrificial lamb and I wouldn't bring them together.

[E]

Please.

[D]

I would crumble into, like, a million fucking pieces like a sprinkle cookie.

[B]

I think it's. I think it's very evident. You know, they are. They're both powerful, but, like, the power that our family has now, like, that we are together, like, we could, like, dominate anything.

[A]

I feel like. Yeah, you could take on anything.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Like it's.

[A]

Or anyone.

[D]

Just not Jen Fessler.

[B]

Just not Jen Fessler.

[A]

If it has to be Jen Fessler. I mean, look, it's for the good of the show.

[D]

You're right. If I'm even back on the show, who knows?

[A]

I would put you back on the show just to kick you off.

[D]

Oh my God, he means it. He means it. I'm sure a lot of people feel that way.

[A]

I do mean that.

[D]

Yeah.

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[D]

Why does that, like, make me so happy when you are so me? I think it's my love language too. Like, the nastier you are, the more I love you.

[A]

We were talking about this. So you were saying, well, Rachel's not that way, right? Because I said that Monroe was a bit spicy and she's mean to me, but she's funny, so she makes me laugh, right?

[D]

No, Rachel's just mean.

[A]

Mean without the funny. Now you girls in your makeup, My God, like, we had a full blown emergency on this flight. So Monroe was very careful about what she brought. She went through all her lipsticks and this and now she's wearing mascara.

[D]

She's nine, right?

[A]

Yeah. We had a travel perfume. We had everything in the. In the, in the bag. And then we went to take off. Her bag wasn't closed all the way, so the bag toppled over and all the make came and everything started rolling down the aisles.

[D]

That's not good. That is not good. So.

[A]

And we're like going up. We're ascending and it's turbulent. And I said, and she's taking. I'm like, you can't take off your seatbelt right now. You cannot get up. She's like, I gotta get my makeup. I said, all right, let daddy. So I'm like, reaching. I'm like, kicking shit, trying to pick it all up. So we're missing now she does a complete inventory. And we're now. And this is why we're still descending. And she's like, I need my perfume and I need my mascara. And I'm like, I'm guessing those are round and that's why they rolled back. And she's like, you need to ask the lady behind us. And she's like, just obsessive about it. And so we start to kind of level off and I kind of reach over and I'm like, I'm really sorry, but my Daughter's. She seems to have lost her makeup and she finds the perfume. So she hands me the perfume. But then that's not good enough. She's like, I need my mascara. I need my mascara.

[D]

What is the.

[A]

Dad, you have to ask her for the message.

[D]

What in the Baby Jane is going on here? She's nine.

[A]

I don't. I mean. Well, she tells me that. What did she say? A woman never leaves the house without her lipstick or lip gloss.

[B]

This is adorable. You're raising a little. A little diva.

[A]

Yeah, 100%. So then she's.

[B]

I feel like you're gonna kick yourself later.

[A]

Oh no, no. It's so much worse. So then the OCD's kicking in and she's like, ask her. Ask her daddy. Ask her. I said, wait until we level off and wait and I'll ask her. And then she's like, I have to go to the bathroom. I go, okay. She's like, go with me. I go, it's right there. She's like, go with me. So. And she had to go three times. So I had to stand outside the door. And then I am not kidding when I say I work for her. And then I had to ask the lady, she couldn't find the mascara. She's like, daddy, I need my mascara. I said, we are landing at 8:30. We are going right to the hotel. We're not going anywhere. And she goes, there's a Sephora in the airport. I go, I am not stopping. I have. I said, I have a greeter, I have two cars. I got somebody to get in the bag. I go, I want to get in the car and get to the hotel. She's like, there's a Sephora right there. I go, we'll take you to Sephora first thing in the morning. First thing in the morning. And then she just wouldn't fucking let up about this mascara.

[C]

Mascara. She has blonde eyelashes.

[A]

So guess where she is right now.

[D]

Sephora.

[A]

Sephora. And you the good.

[D]

Yeah, she wouldn't be at like cvs, like buying Maybelline?

[A]

No. Fuck no.

[D]

She said it was a Charlotte Tilbury, right? Some thirty dollar mascara.

[A]

Charlotte.

[D]

Well done. Well done.

[C]

So then I say, she said it was 100.

[D]

Yeah, a hundred.

[A]

Well, you said so what you told me, which really helped.

[B]

So she.

[A]

You're like, tell her the one on Park Avenue is the one on Park Avenue.

[C]

On Fifth Avenue.

[A]

On Fifth Avenue. She. He's like, it's the biggest Sephora. She's going to go crazy. So I said, shane says, it's the biggest Sephora. It's bigger than what we have in la. Blah, blah, blah. She's excited, so she's down. I said, I'm going to give you my credit card. You can just. You can just replace the mascara. She goes, what's my limit? I said. I said. I said, what are you talking about? She goes, what's my limit? She goes, goes, I. She goes, can I pick up a lip gloss? I said, monroe, you're going in and you're getting the mascara and you're done. So then, now I wouldn't. So she's like, give me the card. I go, I don't trust you. I'm giving you cash. Can I keep the change? I go, you can keep the change. I don't care. But then she's like, I want to go to FAO Schwartz. I said, you're not buying anything else. I said, we're done. Christmas done, Santa. And then I did pull a Joan Crawford on her. And I said, mommy dearest. I said, you have so much stuff. You are giving away half of what you got for Christmas. So go through it. She did it.

[D]

Did you beat her with a wire hanger?

[A]

I didn't have to. There's so much stuff that she agreed. So we did give away half. I mean, some of those gifts were kind of shit anyway.

[D]

She gave away the bad ones.

[A]

The bad gifts are going to the needy kids. So she's got a whole Barbie. It's like a town now. So I think we have.

[C]

It's a community.

[A]

It's a community now. She was telling me that right now there's five Barbie houses. Five now, because everybody needs a bed, right? There's a lot of Barbies, and the Boo Boos have their own home, Right? But she needed another. Another one for Christmas. So she now has this, the Barbie townhouse. That's the sixth house in her playroom. She said, those are for the celebrity Barbies, the elite.

[B]

Is that, like, American Girl?

[A]

I had no idea there were celebrity Barbies.

[C]

That is chic. I love this.

[D]

I don't think that there are.

[B]

Wait, no, they do.

[D]

Like.

[B]

Like, I'm pretty sure certain celebrities have Barbies.

[D]

There's like a Taylor Swift Barbie.

[B]

I think there's like a Beyonce Barbie. Is there not?

[C]

Or just ones that come in, like, a gorgeous gown versus, like, trash Barbie and like.

[A]

Yeah, there is trashy Barbies. I asked her, I go, what's. Which ones are the celebrities? She goes, oh, they're a band. So I think she put together a band, a girl group, a Girl group.

[C]

Simon Cowell of her. I love it.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I mean, like, Bratz had their own, like, Barbies.

[A]

So I guess the celebrities are living in the new townhouse that they. They just got. But yeah, so that's kind of what happened. Now. I did. She did let me sleep. Well, she woke me up the first time and then I was desperate. I'm like, monroe, you gotta let me sleep. You gotta just let me sleep. She let me sleep for one hour.

[D]

Very sweet.

[A]

So it only worked. I did a five hour shift with a one hour break, but yes.

[C]

How was the lounge?

[A]

The lounge within the lounge actually was very nice.

[D]

I thought Doug said there was no more lounge within a lounge until the.

[C]

End of the year.

[A]

I gotta tell you what happened to Doug.

[D]

What did you do?

[A]

Doug was supposed to be here with us this weekend. He is on his plane yesterday morning. He was leaving at 10:45. We were leaving at noon. He texts me. He's like, I just stepped off the plane. I go, what are you talking about? Because he was like telling me he was boarding all of this. I go, what are you talking about? Like, he goes, I'm in severe pain. I'm going to the hospital. Severe pain. So he gets on the plane, everybody's ready to go. He suddenly has all this crazy stomach pain. He goes to Cedars. He's passing a kidney stone.

[D]

Horrible.

[A]

So they have. He's on an IV pain medication. And then he said he was in so much pain last night, it was severe. And you know, his bed. His bed tells him when to come to bed and all that.

[D]

Yeah, I remember that.

[A]

He goes, I didn't sleep the whole night. I go, I bet your bed was so upset.

[D]

Right.

[A]

And so he said he was going to go. The doctor said he was going to pass it in the next 24 to 48. We're on kidney stone watch.

[D]

Well, first of all, he was in the hospital on Christmas Eve. You think the doctor that was there knew what the fuck was going on on Christmas? Like they had. They had some doctor they pulled in off the street, so let's hope it wasn't.

[B]

Those are so painful.

[D]

Did you send him something?

[A]

I mean, I didn't yesterday.

[B]

He didn't send them anything.

[A]

But he did say, because I'm in the ER right now. He said, it's a lesbian doctor. I said, you're in good hands. Yeah, that's the best case scenario. Why lesbians? Oh, need I say most people.

[D]

Yeah, competent. They're good at everything.

[C]

Competent, tough, but sympathetic.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

Just kind of Perfect.

[A]

I said you've got. This is best case scenario. You're in good hands. I don't worry about you. But he's gonna have to go. He's going back this morning.

[C]

Really?

[A]

So poor Dougie. That's how he spent his Christmas. Shouldn't have taken down the tree. Remember he said I'm gonna take it down before I go. Oh, now he's got no tree. You're home. You're stuck at home. You're sick. No tree, no joy. I told you you should have waited till the New year.

[D]

He was going to come with you. How long are you here for?

[A]

Just till Sunday.

[D]

So he was coming just to be with you or was he going to.

[C]

Be on his mom's house?

[A]

His mom lives here. See, you don't. He's mentioned that about 50,000 times to you.

[D]

Yeah, he has. Honestly. But I don't listen to anybody. It's not about me. I'm not listening.

[A]

He's from New York.

[D]

Yes, I know that. Steals from his mother. I know all about it. He stole the paintings off the walls.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, okay. Yeah.

[D]

Sweet Dougie.

[A]

Now, Jen.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

I heard that you have a new brand. You Right. These are few and far between. Gia, for you as an influencer. I'm sure you get five offers in the last half an hour. You've been here.

[C]

She just went to Turks and Caicos for a brand.

[A]

Of course.

[C]

Jen Fessler dream of that, right?

[A]

I proved my point. Jen Fessler. It's.

[D]

I hesitate to talk about any deals I have since you've already ruined several of them.

[A]

Several? You meaning the one. Yes, the one you had at American Dream Mall.

[D]

In my mind it was several.

[A]

Okay. Thank God. I mean she was unemployed for a while.

[D]

Yeah, she's back, baby.

[B]

She's back.

[A]

She got a new deal with. What is it?

[D]

Kringle, I think. I think with a K. Kringle.

[A]

Is it Kris Kringle or Kringle?

[D]

No, it's just Kringle. It is a pastry. I just trying to remember how they want me to describe it. From Wisconsin. It's absolutely delicious. Nick, you're looking at me. Do you know what?

[C]

Oh my God.

[D]

I'm outta cub shit. No, it is literally. I brought you guys. Last time I was here. I brought you my leftover.

[C]

That was delicious.

[D]

The almond, delicious. But. So I was freaking out. I made some, I don't know, post about it losing my. I was in the. Like in my hotel room probably like about to. Yeah, I was about to see you guys and the hotel left It. The Beverly Hills Hotel. I guess that's something that they do. They left this huge Kringle in the room.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

I know and I know. Maybe. Yeah, I think it was them.

[A]

Okay, so what are you. What are you doing so for them, exactly. Please, no reels. Please no posts.

[D]

What am I doing for them? I'm talking about them on Jeff Lewis. Okay, you guys, Trader Joe's.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

You're doing all this for a free Kringle?

[D]

Trader Joe's? No, I don't think so, honey. They're good. They ain't that good.

[A]

So it's available at Trader Joe's?

[D]

Not just Trader Joe's. You can order them. They're from Racine, Wisconsin. And you'll be amazed. You will get. People die for. It's the most delicious thing.

[A]

Are they as good as most of Gorga's Sprinkle cookies? Because those are pretty damn good.

[D]

Ask Gia.

[A]

I mean, it's.

[B]

I've never had a Kringle.

[D]

You never had a Kringle? It's different. They're different. I would say.

[B]

I don't even know what a Kringle is.

[D]

A Kringle is.

[A]

You know why? Cause she's not selling it. That's the problem. Literally, she's not selling it. We don't know what the fuck it is. It's like a Danish Welcome, Jen Fessler. It's like a.

[B]

Is it a croissant?

[C]

It's like.

[D]

No, it's that fig, and they come in all different flavors.

[C]

Oh, no.

[B]

So it's like a strudel.

[D]

So wait, the point is, I posted about it or talked about it on some reel, and I guess a million DMs, people talking about Danish Kringle. Oh, my God, it's the best. Here's where you get it. Look, Trader Joe's Bakery. Yeah, it really is. It's ridiculous.

[A]

I think if you heat that up, put a little butter on it.

[C]

No, you don't need butter.

[D]

You don't need Boston.

[A]

I want butter on it, too.

[B]

I feel like that reminds me of, like, a cinnamon.

[A]

Yeah, I put butter on it, for sure.

[D]

It's so good. And then I actually served it the other day with. For Hanukkah, which none of you would know is the Festival of Lights, but it has to do with oil. People eat donuts. And now I'm bringing. I'm sort of reinventing the Kringle, and it's gonna be a specialty for Hanukkah.

[A]

I'm sorry, you, Jen Fessler, you're reinventing it.

[C]

She's rebranding.

[D]

It's like, a huge company. People everywhere die from Kringles.

[A]

Wow. They're so lucky to have you. You're bringing the Kringle back?

[D]

I'm bringing a Kringle.

[A]

Can you get it online? You don't know. You don't know.

[D]

I would think I may have had you go to Wisconsin. Yes, you can.

[B]

Also, if you're doing doordash, I'm sure you could like doordash from Trader Joe's.

[D]

Ah, yeah. Look at that. Helping Jen out now all of a sudden. Fucking. They're gonna call Gia Giudice. She's gonna represent, Cringe.

[A]

She'll at least know where to buy it.

[C]

There's so many flavors.

[D]

I know.

[C]

Almond, apple, banana, birthday blue.

[A]

You didn't tell us that.

[C]

Cherry cheese, cinnamon roll.

[D]

There are so many flavors.

[B]

Ooh, cinnamon rolls.

[D]

Say them again, Shane.

[C]

It keeps going.

[D]

It keeps going, and I think that probably people are gonna want them for New Year's and for Valentine's Day. So I'm gonna be busy.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

I mean, also, I would, like, sell it as, like, It's a great breakfast option.

[D]

It's a great breakfast option.

[A]

Not to take away.

[D]

That's enough, Gia.

[A]

Not to take away from Jen Fessler. Tell us the different flavors and where you can buy the Kringle.

[C]

Well, I'm looking at.

[D]

This is exactly how it went down. The American dream.

[C]

My personal favorite is the almond Kringle. However, I love almond apple banana birthday cake. Wild blueberry, cherry cinnamon roll. Copenhagen. I love Copenhagen.

[A]

Oh, I would do the cinnamon.

[D]

I would do this.

[B]

What flavor is Copenhagen?

[D]

I was gonna say. What's Copenhagen?

[B]

Copenhagen's a place.

[C]

It's inspired by my travels. It's just.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

But the whole vibe of Kringle is that it's cozy. There's, like, a word for it that I don't know.

[A]

You are so full of shit.

[D]

I'm not kidding.

[B]

It is set up. Put a fire on. Have your Kringle, your coffee cozy.

[C]

Kringle and coffee.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

What a perfect.

[D]

I mean, I'm not doing that, and they're still paying me, so I'm not buying it.

[A]

You know what I would do?

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I would let Jen go, and I'd have you and Gia.

[C]

Yeah, that would be perfect.

[A]

Influencers. You've been here three minutes, and you know more about the Kringle than she does.

[C]

I can picture. We make a reel. We pull it out of the oven, we take a little bite, a little coffee.

[D]

No, it is. That is what Their branding is, though, that it's cozy food. It's like I had it for the first time in comfort.

[A]

It's comfort.

[D]

It's comforting. Jen's at the door. Yes. Yeah. Crazy Aunt Jack.

[C]

Didn't someone bring in a kidney stone that they had passed once? That was disgusting. I hope Doug won't do that. I think Patrick did that.

[B]

You could save that. Like, you could save kidney stone jar teeth. That's weird.

[D]

Gross.

[A]

There's a lot of Kringle calls.

[D]

I know. Wow.

[C]

People love their Kringles.

[D]

I tell you. They do. They don't really need me. They're huge. Kringle's huge.

[C]

They sell themselves.

[D]

They do sell themselves.

[A]

Okay, Sandy in Memphis, she wants to educate you. Jen.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

Hi, Sandy.

[A]

Hi, Sandy.

[F]

Oh, hi, everybody. I love your show. Jeff and Gia, I think you're awesome.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[F]

So I grew up in Wisconsin. I don't live there anymore, but it is a big deal in the state of Wisconsin.

[D]

I know.

[F]

And it's. It's a little. It's Racine, Wisconsin, which is a little south of Milwaukee, and it's got the largest Danish population in North America. And they brought that with them way back then. And the reason it's called a kringle is because it's. The origin of that word is oval or round. So the Danish is round, almost like a pretzel with the hole in the middle.

[D]

Sarah, you have no idea how much I appreciate all of this. I started writing it down. Her name is Sandy, all sorts of.

[F]

Flavors, and it's a big deal with nothing. And I just found out Trader Joe sells them, which is crazy because you used to have to have them. FedEx to you from what?

[A]

Yeah, Jen just found out it was a Trader Joe's, too. Yeah, this morning.

[D]

No, I'm writing all of this down as you're talking, and somebody said. I said Racine. Wrong. It's Racine. Is that how you say it?

[A]

What are you talking about? This is Sandy and Memphis as of 2013.

[F]

Yes.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Thank you, Sandy.

[A]

Thank you, Sandy.

[D]

Sandy, thank you so much.

[A]

If anybody has any information about Kringles, if you could just dm. Jennifer Festler.

[C]

Okay. So, Jen, what. What did you learn from Sandy?

[D]

I thought her name was Sarah. Sandy says no Kringle. Kringle is Danish. A lot. A lot of Danish people. Pringle means in Wisconsin or something.

[A]

I don't know. Yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I didn't take anything from that call. Okay, Casey.

[D]

Very sweet.

[A]

Oh, calling from a truck in West Virginia. Hi, Casey.

[F]

Hey, Jeff. Shade, G and Jen.

[D]

Hi, Casey.

[A]

What's up, Casey?

[F]

I love this.

[A]

I got a Kringle the other day for one of my customers and it was so good.

[F]

Good? It's when the pecan one, it's so good, right?

[C]

So yummy.

[D]

I mean, I've never tasted that one.

[F]

Well, anything with pecans, it is good.

[A]

So, Casey, which flavor did you buy?

[F]

The pecan.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

No, I haven't ever had that one.

[A]

I'm gonna try the cinnamon one.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Same.

[D]

Well, Trader Joe's.

[A]

Thanks, Casey, for your call. I guess Kringles are a big deal.

[D]

I told you, they're a huge deal. And they've never had anyone represent them before.

[B]

Oh, that's amazing.

[C]

Is that true?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Wow. Must have, like, very low budget, didn't have a lot of money.

[C]

Look, who can we get of all the people of every celebrity, every influencer.

[A]

I mean, look what she did for American Dream Mall. Oh, Jen, so funny. So Next Gen NYC Season two. When does that come out just right?

[B]

Um, I don't know. Probably soon. I mean, they haven't announced anything yet, but I mean, I'm assuming probably within the next, like, I would assume six months. I mean, normal turnaround time.

[C]

Who are we friends with? Who are we beefing?

[B]

I'm like, I'm good with everyone.

[A]

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