Jaime Ray Newman & Katie Lowes: Beer & Dentists

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Jaime Ray Newman & Katie Lowes: Beer & Dentists
Date: October 8, 2025
Host: Jeff Lewis
Guests: Jamie Ray Newman, Katie Lowes

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the unexpected triumphs and friendships behind "The Hunting Wives" series, blending behind-the-scenes stories with parenting confessions and a candid, comic look at Hollywood hustle. Jeff, Jamie, and Katie swap stories about casting anxiety, career setbacks, triumphs, raising kids, and surviving the social maze of birthday parties and modern parenthood. They also spar over dentists, beer at kid parties, financial mishaps, and the social dynamics of celebrity life—all with Jeff Lewis’s trademark unfiltered humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Unlikely Success of "The Hunting Wives"

• Jamie and Katie share their initial skepticism about the show, given Starz's limited reach.
  • Jamie: "I've never gotten a season two of a series ever." (03:13)
  • Katie: “Starz has wonderful shows, but not that many people watch Starz. I don’t have a Starz subscription.” (02:21)
• The show’s leap to Netflix came as a huge surprise and relief, described by Jamie as a near-fatal “goosebumps” moment in traffic. (04:12)
  • Jamie: “I have goosebumps. I, like, almost tripped and died in traffic.” (04:15)
• Series’ success brought unexpected opportunities—like cast members presenting last-minute at the Emmys, writing their own jokes on the fly. (04:39)

Notable Quote:
Jamie Ray Newman: “So anyway, I was like, I’m cursed. Sadly, you’ve cast me, so this is not gonna go anywhere. And then about a year passed… [the show is] going to Netflix!” (04:14)

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2. On Hollywood Casting, Hair Transformations & Reinvention

• Jamie jokes about her career turning after cutting her iconic “Ariel hair.”
  • Jamie: “They call my manager up, and they were like, Jamie Ray Newman’s hair is stuck in the early 2000s. Tell her to chop that shit off.” (08:40)
• The style change led to more character roles and a sense of professional freedom.
• Katie and Jamie discuss the realities of aging in Hollywood—doctors' appointments, parenting, and shifting perspectives.
  • Katie: “You have to go to so many doctors when you hit 40… all this shit about preventing death. Where before 40, it was like, woo! I mean, who cares?” (10:14)

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3. Lifelong Friendship and Friendly Rivalry

• The duo recounts their friendship (since age 25), meeting via a mutual friend Jamie dated, and how they both auditioned for the same role on the same day.
• Their children are the same ages, attending the same school; they even train together, with financial accountability keeping them motivated:
  • Jeff: “If somebody doesn’t show up, you have to pay for the session for both of you. Yeah, that’s really smart.” (13:41)
  • Jamie: “She’s the most generous human being I think I’ve ever met in my life.” (14:34)

Notable Quote:
Katie Lowes (on their close lives): “I am obsessed with Jaime. I know where she lives. I sleep outside her bedroom window… I look through her garbage.” (12:14) (playful sarcasm)

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4. Parenting in Hollywood: Birthday Parties, Costumes, and Dentist Dramas

• The struggle to keep up with birthday party trends, affordable celebrations, and the K-Pop Demon Hunters Halloween craze.
  • Jeff: “If we don’t get that costume, she will have a full on meltdown.” (25:44)
• Debating the best pediatric dentists in LA, insurance woes, and the politics of ‘room mom’ involvement.
  • Katie: “My son is hysterical crying, saying, why can’t you be a room mom? …and then his room mom is a 90-hour-a-week dentist.” (31:35)
• Honest talk about not being “accomplishment-braggy” parents and preferring to share failures over humble-bragging achievements.
  • Katie: “Failures is where we all learn and relate.” (30:45)
  • Jamie: “Any mom that shows me the perfect, I don’t want to be a part of that.” (31:00)

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5. Money Mishaps: Credit Cards and Financial Literacy

• Oscar’s confession about credit card debt—and the group’s shared frustration that schools don’t teach financial basics.
  • Oscar: “I was only paying the…interest. So it kept racking up and racking up…” (21:24)
• All agree on the importance of paying off cards and keeping debt under control.
  • Jamie: “I don’t have any [debt] except my house. That’s it.” (23:14)
  • Katie: “So do I. So do I.” (23:12)

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6. Parenting & Life Philosophy: Teaching Kids About Food, Anxiety, and Balance

• Jamie, who often takes her daughters to Salt & Straw ice cream, stresses the importance of enjoying food while promoting health.
  • Jamie: “I just want to teach them like, yes, you need to eat good, healthy food… and have dessert after you have dinner...don’t eat that as your meal.” (48:28)
• Both moms touch on their children’s career aspirations (diverging from their own) and concerns about the direction of the entertainment industry.

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Memorable Moments & Notable Quotes

• Jamie on success anxiety:
  • “We shot it, and listen, I’ve been working for 25 years. I’ve never gotten a season two of a series ever. I, like. I wanna cry thinking about it.” (03:13)
• Katie on aging:
  • “I’m supposed, from my couples therapy and my own personal therapist, I’m supposed to be working on that.” (10:44)
• Jamie on overachieving parents:
  • “That child is gonna end up addict under the 101.” (29:21)
• Jeff, with signature snark:
  • “Nerds raise nerds. That’s all I’m gonna say.” (46:49)
• Katie on playful rivalry:
  • “I am obsessed with Jaime. I know where she lives. I sleep outside her bedroom window.” (12:14)

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Noteworthy Call-In Segment (40:17–42:53)

• Caller Shannon inquires about confronting her husband’s gambling problem and whether to tell his family the truth.
  • Katie: “I don’t think I’d be married to that person anymore… You should tell the parents for sure, 100%.” (41:21)
  • Jamie: “I think you should out him and maybe have an intervention attention.” (41:57)
  • Jeff: “And separate before he takes you down.” (42:04)
  • Jamie: “You don’t want financial ruin because of this.” (42:07)

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Fun Parenting Confessions

• Jamie and Katie admit they enjoy beer at Chuck E. Cheese parties to survive the chaos, and Jamie reveals her aversion to hosting kid parties—she prefers being a guest (38:07–39:00).
• Jeff and Oscar discuss the comedic logistics of birthday parties, Halloween costume emergencies, and the subtle art of staying afloat as a modern parent in LA.

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Important Timestamps

• 01:56: Jamie and Katie on their surprise over "The Hunting Wives" taking off
• 04:12–04:15: Jamie's call about Netflix move
• 08:40: Jamie’s haircut story and career change
• 14:25: Accountability in fitness and their two-year partnership
• 23:02–23:14: Credit card/financial literacy discussion
• 30:33–31:35: Parenting confessions, brags, and fails
• 39:00: Surviving Chuck E. Cheese parties (with beer!)
• 40:17–42:53: Caller segment on a spouse’s gambling problem

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Conclusion

This episode offers a blend of celebrity realness, parenting relatability, and sharp-witted banter. Jamie and Katie’s friendship radiates through stories of Hollywood twists, parenting misadventures, and authentic female support. Humorous, heartfelt, and refreshingly honest, it’s a must-listen for fans of “The Hunting Wives,” working parents, or anyone who appreciates sharp, self-aware conversation.

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Transcript

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[Jamie Ray Newman]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

Doug said it was dumb, but maybe I'm dumb because I enjoy it. Maybe I'm just talking about the news. We don't talk about the news here.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

No, just sex.

[Jeff Lewis]

There's gotta be that one actor or actress that nobody likes. Cause we have that here.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh my God. Who is it?

[Jeff Lewis]

Me.

[Katie Lowe]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, it's Jeff Lewis and I have issues. In today's episode, Jamie Ray Newman and Katie Lowe's join the show. We talk about competing. Dennis Beer at kids birthday parties and the hunting wives. We all are obsessed with this show. It's. Katie had told us the last time she was here that you never thought it would go anywhere. It's one of the reasons why you did the show because it was on stars and you thought no one would ever see it. Did you think the same thing?

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, Jeff, good to be back. Good morning, everybody. Yeah, let's do this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you think it was actually gonna go somewhere?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I first listen, it was the first thing that I auditioned for post strike after the writers and actors strike. So I was just so fucking happy to have a job and to like get away for five months from our children.

[Katie Lowe]

Our children are the same ages.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Well, you know.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And so, yeah, Starz is a very, you know, Starz has wonderful shows, but like not that many people watch stars. I don't have a Starz subscription.

[Katie Lowe]

I love Outlander.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

So, Right. Anything with sex.

[Katie Lowe]

Katie is like, I love every show with sex.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Name three more star shows.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay. Outlander. Like the Red Queen, the Spanish queen, the White Queen.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Three sisters.

[Katie Lowe]

Power.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Three daughters. Three women.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, yeah, three women was on that. Oh, also that Julianne Moore. Nicholas. Hot, hot, hottie guy. Okay, so there you go. I love stars.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I can fact check you, because I'm.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, you can tell she's looking for a job.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

You see that, Jamie?

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah. Honey.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Well, she's got bigger things going on.

[Jeff Lewis]

So.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah, we shot it. It was. And listen, I've been, you know, working for 25 years. I've never gotten a season two of a series ever.

[Jeff Lewis]

Really? Congratulations.

[Katie Lowe]

It's a big deal.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I, like. I wanna cry thinking about it. So anyway, I was like, I'm cursed. Sadly, you've cast me, so this is not gonna go anywhere. And then about a year passed, and we didn't hear anything from anyone. All we knew was that Starz and Lionsgate were getting divorced. And I was like, y', all, this is. This is not good. We knew the show was great. We knew the show was fun and.

[Katie Lowe]

Sassy, and we had the best time.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Making it the best time ever, which is even more reason why we wouldn't get picked up.

[Jeff Lewis]

But doesn't it show you that? Cause there's, you know, there's so many great shows out there that really don't get the proper platform right. And you never hear about them.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

So true.

[Jeff Lewis]

This got the visibility.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

So I remember I was walking. I was with a friend of mine. I was walking across the street, Rebecca Cutter, our tremendous showrunner. And I was like, my heart pounding, thinking she's gonna say, unfortunately, you know, blah, blah, blah.

[Katie Lowe]

The call you've had many a time. I've had that call as well, of course.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Like, for 25 years. And I'm crossing a very busy intersection. And she says, are you ready to hear something crazy? And I was like, what? And she said, we're going to Netflix. And I. I still have goosebumps. I, like, almost tripped and died in traffic. It was. And then literally a month later, I wasn't. We were. Marlon was in Sweden. I was in Vancouver working.

[Katie Lowe]

Like, I think this show, like, it keeps falling upwards, backwards into opportunity. Like, for example, the Emmys, Malin Ackerman and Brittany Snow got invited to the Emmys last minute. Like, this is incredible. Then all of a sudden, they're sitting in their chairs, and 15 minutes before the end, their phones are blowing up, like, holy shit. A presenter has dropped out. Can you guys present? We don't have a script for you guys. And they run backstage, they write a joke that kills. Like, Britney could barely walk. And she was like, I'm sorry it took me so long to come out. And Marlon says something like, I'll wait for you to come out, baby. Something like, that crowd loved it. They killed. But it's like, every turn, this show has just been, like, picked up again and again and again. And Jill's dead.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And do we think the haunting.

[Jeff Lewis]

Why do we think there'll be flashbacks?

[Katie Lowe]

We can't say anything.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

We don't know anything.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. But. No, I'm asking what. So what do you think? Do you think there'll be flashbacks?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I think that my mortgage is asking. She created an iconic role.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And there is no way, like, anytime anyone I post anything, it's, will Jill come back? When is Jill coming back? When is Jill coming back? So there's no way that she's not coming back for something.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, you need her. Cause I was thinking about with the show, it's like, you know, this whole conflict between Malin Ackerman's character and I was thinking, who's gonna go against her? Because Jill was the one woman that went up against her.

[Katie Lowe]

She wasn't scared of Margot.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now it's strange. So I keep staring at you for a. You're beautiful, Jamie, but thank you. You, too.

[Assistant/Oscar]

You're very cute.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thank you. The lights are a little bright over Katie. Can we lower those?

[Katie Lowe]

Can we please match mine to Jamie Ray Newman?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I just said, thank God Marlon and Brittany are not here, because we'd be fucked.

[Katie Lowe]

No, we'd be ejected. You are a good.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it's interesting getting to know you because you're so unlike your character, which obviously is a testament to your acting ability.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Thank you.

[Katie Lowe]

Even similar to me auditioning, I remember I auditioned for Callie, and then I read the script, and it said, jill, the doudier wife. And I was like, I'm gonna audition for Jill. I got the call from Rebecca, like, saying, would you make a tape for Jill? And I was like, I know I'm a Jill.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

They said the Kelly Clarkson talk show was in there.

[Katie Lowe]

And I'll never forget it. It said, that's okay. Hey, listen, I'm thrilled.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I love. I love playing, like, strip all the makeup off, fuck up my hair, put me in a fat suit. I love that shit.

[Katie Lowe]

Like, go to work.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I love that she's.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you buying that?

[Assistant/Oscar]

No, she's not.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm not either.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Loving the hot girl.

[Katie Lowe]

Wait a second.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I love having my locks.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

As we were just talking about Dopesick. Dopesick. I was in a big bodysuit, bad at horrible wig, no makeup. Like, you know, look me up on Dopesick, man.

[Katie Lowe]

She can do it all.

[Jeff Lewis]

If you look at our Instagram today, you'll see a picture of Jamie. She looks very different than your character on Hunting Wives. So you have a very short, like, bob haircut. You have good hair. It's thick.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then. But we were talking about not many people could carry that, you know, who really carry that off?

[Katie Lowe]

Like, are you setting this up?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no. You. You are so pretty, but your face is, you know, rounder. So there's. I don't think you know what's happening. I don't think short hair.

[Katie Lowe]

This is his love language. I'm going. I'm here with you. I am here. You're right.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Can I tell my. My. My hair story that we just. We just. I just told you earlier.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Okay. So. So I've always had, like, the Mer. Ariel from the Little Mermaid mermaid hair.

[Jeff Lewis]

And it's stunning.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Thank you very, very much. But it was sort of owned me.

[Katie Lowe]

I'm.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I'm little. I'm five, three. I'm like a little person. Anyway, so when I, like, five years ago, my manager got a call from these casting directors who would never see me. I wanted to audition for all of their shows, but they just would never fucking see me.

[Katie Lowe]

Fair loss.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And they. They. They shall remain nameless. And they call my manager up, and they were like, jamie Ray Newman's hair is stuck in the early 2000s. Tell her to chop that shit off. And instead of me getting angry about it, I called my sister, my amazing sister who's in the fashion business, and I was like, find me the best hair stylist in la.

[Katie Lowe]

And can I get that?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And yes, of course.

[Katie Lowe]

Bridget.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Bragger Bridget. God bless Bridget Bragar. Came over to my house.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, my God, I love her.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Chopped it to my shoulders. I have it on video. This is right before COVID And then as she's driving out of my driveway, I called her back. I was like, can you come come back? I want it to my chin. And it was five years ago, and I feel it changed my career. Did it really totally changed my career. I got to wear wigs. I got to play much more character y kind of people. I just did this JonBenet Ramsey thing, this big black wig with bangs and with Melissa McCarthy. And, like, I felt like I heard about that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Where is that one going to stream or stars?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Paramount.

[Jeff Lewis]

Stars.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

They just gave it to Paramount. No, Paramount plus and end of the year. But anyway, sorry, we don't have to talk.

[Katie Lowe]

That's better than anymore.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

But. But well.

[Jeff Lewis]

So it worked for you. It did. It got you like a renewed sense of interest, correct?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah. And I feel like maybe it's combined with getting older, you know, being in my 40s, which I love being in my 40s now. So it was just a. You don't like 40s?

[Jeff Lewis]

Really? You're being honest, Katie?

[Katie Lowe]

I don't. I liked the 20s, full stop. I did. Like, this is so anxiety provoking. Is it?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Because you have responsibilities.

[Katie Lowe]

I have children and like a mortgage. And I remember when I didn't like. And you have to go to so many doctors when you hit 40 for like mammographies and colonoscopies and it's true. Fucking all this shit about preventing death where before 40 it was like, woo. I mean, who cares?

[Jeff Lewis]

You're right. Like once a year you have to take a week off just to do all the doctor's appointments.

[Katie Lowe]

So exhausting. I hate it. Sorry. I'm supposed to be like, I'm supposed from my couples therapy and my own personal therapist. I'm supposed to be working on that.

[Jeff Lewis]

So now, did you know each other before the Hunting Wives?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, deep.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

This is deep.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay, so I was trying to remember yesterday how we first met. Did we first meet through your friend that I dated?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

You dated Dennis Deraselki?

[Katie Lowe]

Oh God, she's saying his name. I am not.

[Jeff Lewis]

Was he hot?

[Katie Lowe]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I went to college with him. I've known Katie since I was like 25 years old. So. 25, you know, two years.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you live very close to each other?

[Katie Lowe]

Yes. You have kids same age at the same school?

[Jeff Lewis]

Same age, same school.

[Katie Lowe]

I see her every morning at 7:35.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And then we meet at 8:30 to go with our trainer, Tony Grafton.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you train together and we show.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Up one morning right after the strike to makeup, full hair and makeup to work out.

[Katie Lowe]

And we're both like, oh shit, you had an audition. She's like, shit, you had an audition. I'm like, there's only one thing auditioning right now. It's the Hunting Wives.

[Jeff Lewis]

And you auditioned for the same the.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Same day, the same role?

[Katie Lowe]

Well, of course I'm gonna go for Callie. Jill's dead. Like it was a one year deal.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, did we all know Jill was gonna be dead?

[Katie Lowe]

I knew when I auditioned. That's why? My agents were like, don't go in for Jill. Go in for Callie.

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't know this, that you knew.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

We had all eight scripts.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, wow. Okay. But this feels very Single white female. Does this concern you, Jamie? I mean, she's training with you. She lives close to you. Her kids are in the same school.

[Katie Lowe]

It's gonna be her, wouldn't it? Turn it around.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's going out the same. Is anybody noticing? This is weird.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Katie's obsessed with Jamie.

[Katie Lowe]

I am obsessed with Jaime. I know where she lives. I sleep outside her bedroom window.

[Jeff Lewis]

How good does she.

[Katie Lowe]

I look through her garbage.

[Jeff Lewis]

I bet she looks gorgeous in the morning dropping those kids off at carpet.

[Katie Lowe]

If I could show you. We had to go a long time this summer without seeing each other, so we actually hadn't seen each other since the show became successful. She was shooting a movie and I was traveling with the family. And so we saw each other a few weeks into when school started back. And there is a. We got. Someone got a picture of us hugging and crying because we were so excited that we were on a show that anyone gave a shit about. And if you could see how gorgeous she looks in that photo at drop off compared to what I'm rocking.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, I can only imagine. What were you wearing?

[Katie Lowe]

I really. Jeff. Oh, it's. It's. It's good.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

It's good. She. It is true. Like, we saw each other. We saw.

[Katie Lowe]

We saw each other.

[Jeff Lewis]

She looks terrible the morning. It is true.

[Katie Lowe]

No, I don't.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Look, you know what it is?

[Katie Lowe]

It's not that I don't look good in the morning. It's that I was crying and I don't look good when I cry.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, you're an ugly crier.

[Katie Lowe]

So am I. I'm an ugly crier.

[Jeff Lewis]

Same.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay, I look fine, but the cry is.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know who probably looks gorgeous, Jamie?

[Katie Lowe]

Ray Newman.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I think we need to get my husband involved here. He can give you the true testament that this is. Yeah, no, but, Katie, I do remember, like, weeping in your arms.

[Katie Lowe]

We were so. Because the show was never gonna see the. I mean, there was a long stretch of time where the show was never gonna see the light of day, not even get aired on stars. Like, nothing, Nowhere.

[Jeff Lewis]

So is there a deal that you guys have that. I think Keyan told me that you guys train together, but if somebody doesn't show up, you have to pay for the session for both of you. Yeah, that's really smart. Keeps you accountable.

[Katie Lowe]

Well, the trainer's getting her hourly regardless, and I think you came up with it. I don't remember, but during the strike, I feel like is when we started training together, because it was like, this is what's affordable and responsible in order to keep a trainer happening and also not have jobs and also raise our children. But then it's so exhausting. 40s, guys. It's great. And this is really the longest stretch I've gone with having accountability. I mean, we've been at this for, like, two years or something, and I really think money has got a lot.

[Jeff Lewis]

To do with it.

[Katie Lowe]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, how many times does Katie be like, oh, damn, I forgot my wallet?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

No, never.

[Katie Lowe]

I am so.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

She's the most generous human being. Oh, my God.

[Katie Lowe]

To evolve.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

To evolve would give her every. She's truly the most generous human being I think I've ever met in my life.

[Katie Lowe]

She would give.

[Jeff Lewis]

You really think harder here.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's the really. And everyone you've ever met.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Do you understand?

[Katie Lowe]

This is the. This is. It's not great. This is the mayor of Hollywood.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Everybody you like. We had movie night a couple nights ago at school. There was, like, a line to get to talk to Katie and Adam. I mean, I felt like I was, like, 40th.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, Adam is on the bear. It's a big show.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

No, they're. They're the most beloved. Truly. Like, they have. They host, you know, Yom Kippur Breakfast. I am lucky if I get an invitation. She's hosting 60 people. I didn't get an invitation.

[Katie Lowe]

Because you're busy. Because you're hosting your own.

[Jeff Lewis]

So was it strange to you when you showed up at the Emmys with this gorgeous pink gown? And then Katie shows up.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, my God, Jeff Lewis, I am.

[Jeff Lewis]

Never coming back to you. Did you tell her you were wearing pink gowns?

[Katie Lowe]

Never again.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

We planned it.

[Katie Lowe]

Am I coming to this show?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

We planned it.

[Katie Lowe]

I love all of you Chucks.

[Jeff Lewis]

I think you made a mistake. You told her what you were wearing, and then she went out and bought the Pinterest. No.

[Katie Lowe]

We're on a text chain. That I could prove to you with all the hunting wives saying that pink was gonna be our theme. Marin was gonna be in black with a pink bow. Brittany was gonna be in pink. You were gonna be in pink. I was gonna be in pink. Okay, okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay, fine. I believe you, okay? I swear.

[Jeff Lewis]

When do you leave again to go film season two in November?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Very soon.

[Katie Lowe]

Are you allowed to even say that?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, am I not?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, no, I've already said it. I heard the rumor that you original to shoot in January, but because the show did so well that they've moved production up to November. And that came from a very good source, I think.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I would think. I don't know this fact.

[Jeff Lewis]

I said a good source.

[Katie Lowe]

Are you. Are you sober? I forget.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, really?

[Assistant/Oscar]

He's drunk right now.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. No, you are going back to work. And that is correct. That is because they want to get the show out asap, because people are jonesing for it. They need to know what's going on. They need more sex. They need more. All the things. I think, y', all, this is the first thing we've ever been on where we do not get prepped by the people beforehand that says, you cannot say pegging. You cannot say this. You cannot say that. We can say pegging on this show. Correct.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's all we talk about.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay, great. I figured the first time I was on this show, I definitely saw a picture of Zach's bare ass on his phone that he then passed around. So I figure pegging is fine.

[Jeff Lewis]

That was so funny because I said. I said, before you got here, Jamie, and you elevated the room. It got much classier when you walked in.

[Katie Lowe]

She does do that.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I said to Katie, I'm like, Zach made $2,000 this weekend selling stickers of his.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I have one. I'm going to put it on my car.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I said, katie, have you seen his ass? And she goes, yeah, I saw it last time.

[Katie Lowe]

First time I was here in the first five minutes at, like, 8am I was like this. Or 9am Whatever time it is.

[Assistant/Oscar]

But should we talk about. When they came in? Both of you refused to sit down at the table. They both did this, like, power exchange where they just stood in the corner.

[Jeff Lewis]

It was really weird.

[Assistant/Oscar]

No one's ever done that and, like, watched us eat our Pop Tarts like peasants. It was really kind of crazy.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was really asserting yourself.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Didn't you like it a little bit? Didn't you like it a little bit?

[State Farm Announcer]

No.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Like, I'm obsessed with you.

[Jeff Lewis]

It was a very psychological kind of mind fuck.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

We talked about it in traffic. Katie and I were like, let's make sure.

[Jeff Lewis]

It was strange.

[Katie Lowe]

They know.

[Jeff Lewis]

So, people, can we have a long conference table? Everybody kind of sits down and gets comfortable, but these girls standing right next to each other just, like, hovering at the table. It was bizarre.

[Caller Shannon]

Mm.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Not sure what to make of that.

[Katie Lowe]

I think it was more that I did not feel comfortable to sit, and no one invited me to sit.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I told you to sit like three times.

[Katie Lowe]

You did?

[Assistant/Oscar]

Yeah.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I was like, take a seat, take a seat. Here's your coffee.

[Katie Lowe]

Take a seat.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Here's a chair.

[Katie Lowe]

Wow. That's how uncomfortable I was. I didn't hear anything.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And I just took my cues off of Katie because I just follow whatever she does.

[Katie Lowe]

Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now I am gonna give you a call compliment.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, look out, chumps.

[Jeff Lewis]

Katie.

[Katie Lowe]

Hal has frozen over.

[Jeff Lewis]

Katie is actually one of the smarter.

[Katie Lowe]

Sobering up over here.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's one of the smarter chumps. Because there are no chumps. Usually, very rarely can a chump get up to the eighth floor on their own. No, they. And because it's. It's a process, Jamie. Well, here's the thing.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I don't even give them instructions. I just say, text me when you've parked. Because don't even try to go to the first floor and check in and ask security to come up.

[Jeff Lewis]

And they they it up. They end up at the wrong floor, wrong building, wrong.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Why is that so difficult?

[Katie Lowe]

You did it right.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, because.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

No, I'll tell you.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's hot. So people.

[Katie Lowe]

He came to get me the first time. That was the first time.

[Jeff Lewis]

So Katie's on her own.

[Katie Lowe]

On my own.

[Jeff Lewis]

And she did it. She went on P4, then she went down to the lobby. She checked in. Then they used their key card to get her up to eight. I was actually really shocked you got here on your own.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I've actually had this. I've actually had this thought before. Like if I were on a desert island or if I had to choose one. Yes, my husband. But I would kind of choose you. She is just so resourceful.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's scrappy.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

She just knows how to get from A A to B to D. You know, I'm following this line.

[Katie Lowe]

I'm super scrappy.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, I thought you took the stairs.

[Katie Lowe]

That. I wouldn't do that. I would. Oh. But you know what? Ooh. The last time I was here, I do think I took the stairs to get out of here.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh. Cause that was. Something got fucked up. But I wasn't following myself. I was following my publicist. Not to throw her under the bus. O as to be as a non intelligent chump. But you know what a chump. Okay. His fans and also his guests.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

But. But she also doesn't panic. And she's like. She's like half Jewish. How do you not panic? And you're a Jew.

[Katie Lowe]

I do panic. I just only reserve that for my husband.

[Jeff Lewis]

You'd be a good fire marshal. He used to be our fire marshal, and he panicked and then he had to resign.

[Katie Lowe]

We were live on the air. The alarm went off. I said, well, let's just see what happens. We have false alarms on all the time. Oh, God.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it was a real phone.

[Katie Lowe]

Turns out it was a real phone. Wait, but I know this story. And you got your fancy ass car out.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, because it's. You don't know this, Jamie, but it's. It's like a first edition. It's hard to get. So there was no way I was gonna let it burn.

[Katie Lowe]

No way.

[Jeff Lewis]

I wouldn't not.

[Katie Lowe]

What is it again? It's something fancy.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, it's a Range Rover, but a first edition. But I waited nine months for that car.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I drive.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

No, no, no. You gotta get that shit.

[Jeff Lewis]

I had to get it.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Like if you have to die with it. Yes, if you have to go up in flames with that car.

[Jeff Lewis]

And it was newer, you know, at the time.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Very low mileage. Now it has 25,000 miles.

[Katie Lowe]

I think you're pretty non anxious. Well, no, you're anxious. I think we're anxious about different things.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I'm pretty anxious, I would say. Maybe I can take.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I just want to give you an example of a dumb chump.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oscar, now you for the last. Was this your first credit card?

[Katie Lowe]

It's this Love bug.

[Oscar]

This isn't my first credit card. This is my second. But it's a little.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. So what happened?

[Oscar]

So yesterday I was wondering why my balance was so high and my credit card kept increasing my limit and it was because I was only paying the. What was it? The interest. Interest.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, yeah, you can't do that.

[Oscar]

So it kept racking up and racking up, and I thought, huh, I wonder why my credit card payment isn't going down. My statement balance isn't going down. I read into it.

[Jeff Lewis]

And. Seven months you've been paying.

[Oscar]

Yeah, about seven months.

[Jeff Lewis]

And what's the balance now? Well.

[Oscar]

Oh, no, as of today, it's down to like three grand. But it was six yesterday.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, my God.

[LinkedIn Announcer]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Cause he was just paying interest. So just out of curiosity, like, so you go and you shop and it's like you spend fifteen hundred dollars and then you get your bill and you just pay $100. It doesn't occur to you that, oh, like, when do I pay for the 1500 I just charged?

[Katie Lowe]

Just keep going. Just keep going.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

He is bright red.

[Oscar]

Your guess is as good as mine.

[Katie Lowe]

This actually answers a lot of questions. This is intentional, though. I don't Think they teach people this shit?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Of course not.

[Katie Lowe]

Like, that's what we should be learning in school. And if anyone got a college education, which, whatever. But like, I just mean like, why aren't. Why don't we know this? Why don't we know how to college it? We do. The smarter chumps. But like a lot of chumps probably don't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, I agree.

[Katie Lowe]

So like, what a service you're doing today. What a service, right?

[Jeff Lewis]

A basic financial education.

[Katie Lowe]

That's what I mean.

[Jeff Lewis]

If I shop and I spend $2,000 today, I know in 30 days I'm gonna owe 2,000 plus interest.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

No, it doesn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Otherwise there will be a balance.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

If you pay it on time, there'll be no interest. There'll be no interest.

[Jeff Lewis]

Smart chump.

[Katie Lowe]

So do that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Smart chump.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, no, I don't have it. I pay every credit for it every month.

[Katie Lowe]

So do I. So do I. I don't have any.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Debt except my house. That's it.

[Katie Lowe]

Same. Agreed.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you go as far? I will pay amex. Like two to three to one. Like one to three times per week.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, no, I don't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because I don't want to miss it. I don't want the big balance at the end of the month. Right. So I'm a spender. So the problem is if I.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Do you have kids, Jeff?

[Jeff Lewis]

One.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

You have a. You have a what? Boy, girl. What do you have?

[Jeff Lewis]

Little girl. She's eight. She's almost nine.

[Katie Lowe]

Same as our daughter.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I have. Yeah, I have a seven and a six year old.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you doing? Have you done the Halloween costumes yet?

[Katie Lowe]

Well, what do you get through? And we both have kids born October 2nd, so we need to get through the Thursday birthday and then I can move on to Halloween. I can't even the same birthday?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, you got to get ahead of it.

[Assistant/Oscar]

She's not sex with you. Katie pushed her baby out because Jamie's having a baby.

[Caller Shannon]

I love that.

[Katie Lowe]

Halloween is not. Oh, what? Tell me.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, nothing.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

So, yes, we are full on. We already know. I'm going to give you two guesses. I'm going to give you two guesses because every other child in a.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, you already know.

[Katie Lowe]

K Pop Demon hunters.

[Jeff Lewis]

Here's the problem. It's coming from China. So you got to hurry up, you got to get on this because.

[Katie Lowe]

Thanks for the warning. Both my kids want that shit.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, you gotta hurry.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, I haven't ordered mine. Oh, you're fine. And I definitely can't make it.

[Jeff Lewis]

When did we order it?

[Assistant/Oscar]

Literally like 10 days ago.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Wait, are you together and it's.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I'm his assistant.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, he's gonna.

[Jeff Lewis]

My CEO.

[Katie Lowe]

He's single and looking. If you know anyone. He's single and looking.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it's funny because everyone thinks he's my son. That's funny that you think we would be together.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Well, I could see you with a hot young.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, that's a little young.

[Katie Lowe]

Young Rudy.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I'm a man.

[Jeff Lewis]

So K Pop Demon Hunters. We ordered it 10 days ago. He's tracking which one.

[Katie Lowe]

Which character?

[Assistant/Oscar]

Roomy?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah, one of my daughters, Zoe.

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, the.

[Katie Lowe]

So maybe that one will be available because I feel like Rumi is the lead. So I think my daughter wants the side one with the space buns and the black hair.

[Jeff Lewis]

I wonder if people will dress as you for Halloween.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh no, I've already heard of Women.

[Katie Lowe]

Are Definitely exclusive Women friends are definitely going this so far.

[Jeff Lewis]

I bet your costume would be available.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

You just go to Walmart, baby.

[Jeff Lewis]

Just get that overnight. Overnight boot bar.

[Katie Lowe]

You just lift off the. It's. It's Miranda Lambert's line.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Like that's September 2nd. I ordered it. It was like 28 days ago. And it still has Walmart.

[Katie Lowe]

You're a good assistant. I was an assistant. I did all these jobs. But wow, Walmart.

[Jeff Lewis]

If we don't get that costume, she will have a full on meltdown.

[Assistant/Oscar]

It has shipped. I think it got disrupted with the typhoon in China. But now it sells has nine more days.

[Katie Lowe]

Did you order yours?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Well, here's what I did because I have a September and October birthday. So when people started asking me, what do you want for their. For their birthdays? I said those costumes. So they already arrived.

[Jeff Lewis]

You already have the K Pop Debunk costumes.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I do because they were birthday presents.

[Jeff Lewis]

How the fuck did you get it so quick?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Because I ordered them like you know, six weeks ago. People started asking, but we got the.

[Jeff Lewis]

Higher end ones on Amazon.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, that's not gonna.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

No, I got the Walmart $10 schmatto.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, that's not gonna work.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh no. Yeah, I do a fancier costume as well.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you're gonna have to hurry up. I don't think you're gonna.

[Katie Lowe]

Big fat trouble.

[Jeff Lewis]

We got the boots and they're so cute. But we need the costume. What about the. Do we get the hairpiece that comes.

[Katie Lowe]

Is that like the big.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

There's a problem with the hairpiece, the purple braid. Because it's like a lot. There's a lot of complaints if you read the reviews.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh no, it's too heavy. It doesn't say on. Yeah, yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

You have the schmatta.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I have the schmatta. No, but all of them.

[Katie Lowe]

It's the hu.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

It comes in two separate pieces. There's like one on the head and then the braid and it's attached. And the kids.

[Katie Lowe]

I want to look in. Every child is going to be these costumes and it's so insane.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's asking, shall we do it, Annie?

[Katie Lowe]

Yes, she's asking.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you guys gonna do K Pop.

[Katie Lowe]

Demon Hunters and Shane are gonna be K Pop Demon Hunters. You have to do that. You have to do that.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Cute.

[Jeff Lewis]

You'll have to go to Walmart now.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And Jeff will be the cat. The blue cat.

[Katie Lowe]

No, no, you should be the lead boy singer. The soda pop guy that like 55.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

You could so be a soda pop.

[Katie Lowe]

You could so be a soda pop. And he has to wear like a button down breakaway like key and could be soda pop.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

But all you boys, you're all the.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, I don't know about the ones on the left.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Oscar's credit card.

[Katie Lowe]

I don't have a costume. I just, I can't. I need to get through. Yum.

[Jeff Lewis]

Let's just put it on Oscar's credit card.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah, yeah.

[Oscar]

Just pay the minimum every month and we don't have to worry about it.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Oscar, I don't know how that does.

[Jeff Lewis]

It occur to you. Like, so, just so crazy. What's the minimum? What were you paying per month?

[Assistant/Oscar]

Like $35?

[Oscar]

Yeah, like something like that. And then every like week I would put in like two or three dollars. No, hundred. And I would every week spend that same amount. And I kind of got confused because I'm not good at math, so.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wow. See, chumps are not good at. Most. Chumps are not good at.

[Oscar]

Bottom line is. Thanks for the advance. No iPhone.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, okay. It wasn't. It was a bonus. It wasn't an advance.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

So wait, you're.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Appreciate it.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Tell me more about your daughter. Are you allowed to talk about her? Do you think about her?

[Jeff Lewis]

Sure.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

So she's in second grade.

[Jeff Lewis]

She is in third grade.

[Assistant/Oscar]

She's about to turn nine.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good. Let's talk about this parenting stuff for a second.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Are people interested in that on your show?

[Katie Lowe]

No. Chumps are like.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, but chumps get this.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I was at a birthday party over the weekend. I spoke about this yesterday. And it was wine tasting and it was a big fun group of people.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

An adult birthday party.

[Jeff Lewis]

An adult. It was a very fun group. And this one woman, she was on the. On the pole in the. In the bus. In the party bus.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, I love.

[Jeff Lewis]

She was.

[Katie Lowe]

Are you talking about my party?

[Jeff Lewis]

No. I know. I thought of you.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay, great.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, she was real messy.

[Katie Lowe]

I love a. I love a party bus with a pole in it.

[Jeff Lewis]

So we sit down at dinner and then she. I don't know how it came came up, but she started bragging about her kid and her kids in fourth grade and how the kid is taking college prep courses. Shut the up.

[Katie Lowe]

Nobody wants to hear this.

[Jeff Lewis]

Nobody wants to hear that.

[Katie Lowe]

That's so insane. Also, like, that's, like, not okay for your kid.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

That child is gonna end up addict. Under the 101.

[Katie Lowe]

That's exactly right. You don't want that. That's, like, not a gift.

[Jeff Lewis]

It is so annoying. So cringy.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Pretench.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah, pretend.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you please tell me you're not those parents.

[Katie Lowe]

Hell no. Jamie and I are.

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, I really let my kids. I'm very strict about bedtime. That is the one thing.

[Katie Lowe]

You're the best boundary mother I've ever met in my life.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah, I'm very boundaried, I will say that. But, like, I let my kid, like, just be a kid, you know, they're normal kids. Thank God I have two. Just normal kids. Let them do their thing. But I was crazy. Like, when I was a kid, I was.

[Jeff Lewis]

I.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

When I was 10, I said to my parents, I want to be an actor and you need to move to LA. And I want to be repped by.

[Katie Lowe]

CAA when I was 10.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

In Michigan. In Michigan.

[Jeff Lewis]

Very focused.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

So I. I don't think I have me as a kid. I don't think I do.

[Jeff Lewis]

Your kids are more.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I think my husband has him as a kid.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah. I don't get the sense that either of your. And tell me if you. Do you think they're performers? I'm not sure. I don't think mine are either.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I don't think so. God. Please, God. I don't think so.

[Jeff Lewis]

Aren't you happy about that?

[Katie Lowe]

I can't have. I mean, I want to support them in whatever they want to do, but, like, honestly, I just. At the rate it's going, it's not going to exist anywhere. You know, like, we're all going to be like, AI, actor, Tilly, whatever, got repped. Like, I don't even.

[Jeff Lewis]

But don't we want to hear more about her? Like, if you're going to talk about your kids, we kind of want to hear about their failures.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Of course.

[Jeff Lewis]

We don't want to hear about their accomplishments.

[Katie Lowe]

No. Well, that's what it's more relatable failures is where we all learn. Can and relate and relate.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

But that's what Instagram is for, to be honest. I mean, for many things, but I. I feel that Instagram actually does a pretty good job. Any mom that shows me the perfect I like, I don't want to be a part of that. Oh, yeah, I tell the Al.

[Katie Lowe]

Anyone who's literally cutting stars out of cucumbers in their lunch boxes, it's a quick unfollow for me. You have too much time. I'm not interested in anyone going above and beyond. Like, I can't. Are you a room mom this year?

[Assistant/Oscar]

No.

[Katie Lowe]

Are you ever doing that?

[Jeff Lewis]

No.

[Katie Lowe]

Can we make a pact right here, right now that we will never be. Thank God. I can't do it. And my son.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

But God bless them. God bless.

[Katie Lowe]

God bless them. But my son is hysterical crying, saying, why can't you be a roommate, mom?

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, it's rough.

[Katie Lowe]

I feel bad.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you. Do you have to sit down to just tell him Mommy's self involved?

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah. Well, I really fucked up because I told him, you know, that's for mommies who like, really don't have, like full, full time jobs, all this kind of stuff. And then his room mom is his best friend's mom, who's a 90 hour a week dentist, who's his pediatric dentist.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Oh, shit.

[Katie Lowe]

So he caught me in a full, bold face.

[Jeff Lewis]

Dr. Joe Laski.

[Katie Lowe]

I love Jasky.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

That's who you're talking.

[Katie Lowe]

I love Lasky. No, you gotta move. Sorry, I don't want to say this, but I. No, I love Laskys too. I shouldn't say that. Oh, God, erase it. I love the Laskys. They were on my mom podcast. I had a mom podcast for six years. They were great guests. But my son's best friend, Gray Young's mom is Flynn Weingarten of Lilac Pediatric Dental. And they're incredible. Please, will you just.

[Jeff Lewis]

The Laskys are hard to get into.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

We just left, to be honest.

[Jeff Lewis]

You left the Laskys?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

She doesn't take insurance. She doesn't take insurance.

[Katie Lowe]

I'm telling you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, she doesn't.

[Katie Lowe]

Lilac Pediatric Dental. Soft, soft plug.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Jeff.

[Katie Lowe]

I was there yesterday. He had two cavity fillings. It was incredible.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Jeff, your listenership has plummeted so much.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah, nobody gives everyone's ass. And pegging. Get to the pegging.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so real quick, we want to do one more plug. Which dentist?

[Katie Lowe]

Lilac Pediatric Dental on Riverside in Studio City.

[Jeff Lewis]

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[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yes.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, I'm like, how do you know that? Oh, yeah, I did a pre interview yesterday. Yeah, we're going to Dave and Buster's services at the temple.

[Jeff Lewis]

What day will you be there in case anyone wants to come meet me?

[Katie Lowe]

Okay. I'm not gonna tell you the location. I almost did. I just had to stop myself. I've like, never been to a Dave and Buster's, have you?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I don't even know what that is.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's very fun.

[Katie Lowe]

Is it gonna cost a billion dollars?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. You're gonna spend about $200 in video games. But it's okay. It's really fun.

[Katie Lowe]

And that's still cheaper than like a lot of birthday parties. Jamie Ray Newman has literally cracked the code at not doing an expensive kid's birthday.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, see, that's the good thing. By having an ex, he does the birthday Parties. I take her to Disney.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, it's about the same price.

[Jeff Lewis]

Correct?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

That's a great deal. Yeah. So every year she goes to Disneyland.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

But that VIP is getting more and more expensive every year.

[Katie Lowe]

It's so.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it's worth it. I'd rather do that than the birthday party.

[Katie Lowe]

I know. Seriously.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

But I love the birthday parties. Just as long as I don't have to host it. So you like showing up at other.

[Katie Lowe]

People because it's like something to do on the weekend.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, this weekend coming up.

[Katie Lowe]

That's this Thursday. Because they have off school, so we're just rolling. The whole day is just.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Both of our kids have birthdays on Yom Kippur.

[Katie Lowe]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'll be at Chuck E. Cheese this weekend.

[Katie Lowe]

I love Chuck E. Cheese.

[Jeff Lewis]

Her cousin's birthday party. I'm looking forward to it, actually.

[Katie Lowe]

Actually, they have great beer.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do they?

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, yeah, at the Tap. My son's birthday was at Chuck E. Cheese. He turned six at night and we paid the extra that you could have Chuck E. Cheese just open for your birthday party before it's open to gen pop. So it was at 9am and I had a ton of beer. It's on fucking tap. Like a bar.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

At 10.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah. And I wasn't really talk about something. Everybody was doing it. As soon as I deemed that it was okay, everyone was like, oh. I was like, guys, how else are we gonna get through this?

[Jeff Lewis]

It's literally at 10am, isn't it?

[Assistant/Oscar]

I bet it's the same thing. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

The pizza's actually pretty good there.

[Katie Lowe]

It's delicious. But I've heard a lot of people get really bad diarrhea.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, shit.

[Katie Lowe]

I shouldn't say that. Chuck E. Cheese, I love you.

[Jeff Lewis]

You don't know this, Jamie, but Jameson has ibs, so you probably should stay away from your Chuck.

[Katie Lowe]

No Chuck E. Cheese for me. I used to love that as a kid too.

[Jeff Lewis]

He takes fiber pills and he actually, wherever he goes, he brings his fiber pills with him.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, does it help?

[Assistant/Oscar]

They did.

[Katie Lowe]

That's a lot. Oh, that's so good.

[Assistant/Oscar]

He had to go back to his hotel when we tried to get into a club in Vegas because he had pills. And so he had. And he was like, I'm not throwing these away.

[Katie Lowe]

These are not drugs. These are not drugs. They're the most important drugs, actually.

[Jeff Lewis]

But you. Did you try to explain that to him?

[Katie Lowe]

I did. And then I was like, eye roll.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I'm going back to the room.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, my God. I love Chuck E. Cheese. So take my tip have of a piece.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Beer.

[Jeff Lewis]

I so excited for Chuck E. Cheese. My sister in law is kind of bougie and she called me up, she goes, I know Chuck E. Cheese. She goes. That's where she wanted to go. I can't talk her out of it. I go, I am excited. I love the adults. Love Chuck E. Cheese.

[Katie Lowe]

I love it.

[Caller Shannon]

It's.

[Katie Lowe]

It was great. I.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Don't you remember they had skeeball and you had to put the little tickets. Now it's just a car. It's just a. Oh, right.

[Katie Lowe]

It's not tickets. It's a bracelet that has a. Like, like.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, is that the bracelet?

[Jeff Lewis]

It looks like we have a. A chump question. Line one for the girls. Shannon in Washington.

[Katie Lowe]

Hi, Shannon.

[Jeff Lewis]

What's up, Shannon?

[Caller Shannon]

How's it going? Let me turn the radio down.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Good. Can you turn down your radio or tv?

[Jeff Lewis]

She knows.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I. Oh, thank you.

[Caller Shannon]

I did perfect. Sorry. How's everybody doing?

[Jeff Lewis]

We're doing good. What's your question for the girls?

[Caller Shannon]

Oh, God, it's so stupid.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, I'm excited.

[Caller Shannon]

My husband has. Right. So my husband has developed a gambling problem and unfortunately he's now lied to his mom about why he's not paying the mortgage. And he's saying that it's because of me, which has nothing to do with me.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Oh, boy.

[Caller Shannon]

And I have no idea if I should tell his family what's really going on because they. His mom doesn't like me already, which is fine, but. But she definitely doesn't like me because she thinks that it's my fault that the mortgage isn't getting paid. But it's really because he has a gambling problem.

[Jeff Lewis]

But what would you do, Katie?

[Katie Lowe]

I don't think I. I mean, this is going to be harsh.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Katie Lowe]

I don't think I'd be married to that person anymore.

[Jeff Lewis]

Is that bad to say?

[Katie Lowe]

Is that bad to say? I just don't like lying and gambling. This all just sounds really tricky and like, I don't. You should tell the parents for sure, 100% the parent. I don't care. Care if the parent doesn't like you.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Do you guys have kids?

[Caller Shannon]

I have children. Not with him, though.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

How long have you been married?

[Caller Shannon]

We got married in 2017.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, a while.

[Caller Shannon]

Yeah. Well, that's when the gambling started.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, boy.

[Caller Shannon]

And I just thought that, you know, he was just, you know, doing whatever online and, you know, whatever real problem.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I think you should talk to his parent. I think you should, you should out him and maybe have an intervention attention.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Yeah, like he needs a Little help.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

And separate before he takes you down.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Is that you don't want financial ruin because of this.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know it sounds like a hunting wife storyline for season two.

[Katie Lowe]

Is he good to your kids?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I thought you were gonna say, oh, he's amazing.

[Assistant/Oscar]

That's.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, that's.

[Caller Shannon]

That's the irritating thing. He is amazing in every other way other than, oh, he needs help. He literally, like, and the house isn't in my name, so, like, like, oh, good, you know it's not. But at the same time, like, it's like, that's our home. And I feel like his mom's not gonna really believe me anyway. And I. I don't know. I just don't want to throw him under the bus. But at the same time, it's like, he's like, oh, mommy, I need money for the mortgage. Because, you know, Shannon, you know.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, well, I think you should probably. Yeah, I would come clean. Tell them thank you for calling. Back to Chuck E. Cheese. Have you done the salad bar? Cause that looks gross.

[Katie Lowe]

I actually didn't eat anything there. I just drank.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, But I hear the pizza is good.

[Katie Lowe]

I've heard the pizza is incredible. And the kids inhale it. Incredible. No, I know people who have amazing taste in food who literally order the pizza from Chuck E. Cheese on fucking doordash.

[Assistant/Oscar]

I'm gonna do the pizza in lockdown. When the Chuck E. Cheese couldn't open this, calling it something else. But then it was just sending out the pizza. They pretended to be like a pizza restaurant.

[Katie Lowe]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

I want to ask you something, Jamie. So you've known Katie for a long time?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, no.

[Jeff Lewis]

So when you see a post, it's my birthday. No gifts, please. Just donate to charity. Are you like, bitch, you are so full of shit. This is. Your publicist wrote this?

[Katie Lowe]

I wrote that.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Well, last year I got you. What did I do? I got you some sort of booty.

[Katie Lowe]

That was for St. Jude. Jude's Hospital. Jeff Lewis.

[Jeff Lewis]

For your birthday.

[Katie Lowe]

Soulless. Yeah. September. What can I give you? Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

[Caller Shannon]

Good.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I love how you try to make that about you.

[Katie Lowe]

It's September. You can still donate to St. Jude. It is still September. It is still Cancer Child Awareness Month.

[Jeff Lewis]

And if you're looking for a pediatric dentist.

[Katie Lowe]

Lilac. Pediatric. Dental. Okay. What did you say the year before?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Sorry I got you booed.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, yay.

[Assistant/Oscar]

That's right. Did you go out?

[Jeff Lewis]

You went on a three day bender for your birthday, didn't you?

[Katie Lowe]

One day. But it took three days to recover. That's for sure. I'm too old. 43.

[Assistant/Oscar]

What did you say?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I invited Jamie.

[Katie Lowe]

She said no. No, I always invite her. She doesn't do that kind of thing. Although you did in New York, which I was really proud of you.

[Jeff Lewis]

You said actually, and I quote, jamie doesn't like to rage.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

In that kind of way.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

You know what it is? I am. The next day is too rough. I just can't. When once you have kids, once you're, like, not 25.

[Katie Lowe]

I just can't.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

It's not worth it.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is what you need to buy yourself. We'll Katie you. It's drink aid prevention.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Oh, it's good.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's gonna be your best friend. You take one before you go out to drink, right? You just. It's like a tiny little liquid. You just down it. Tastes like shit, but you down it. Then when you get home, before you down another one, down another one and then a bottle of water, they send.

[Katie Lowe]

You this shit for free.

[Jeff Lewis]

They do.

[Katie Lowe]

Okay, But I.

[Jeff Lewis]

But I take it like it's worse.

[Katie Lowe]

Oh, I will do it. They need to send it to me for free. And I'll post about it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'll give you some on my birthday. So I told. So we went to Lasky. Sorry.

[Katie Lowe]

It's okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

We went to Lasky, and it was just this one time that Monroe. When we went there, Jill wasn't there. And the husband. The husband.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Do you have her cell phone?

[Jeff Lewis]

I might.

[Katie Lowe]

I do, too. Oh, man. I'm not.

[Jeff Lewis]

Why do you want to call her?

[Katie Lowe]

I have her cell phone, too.

[Jeff Lewis]

On the air.

[Katie Lowe]

And then let's call Flynn of Lilac pd.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

But can we ask her why she doesn't take insurance? So I'll come. They even called me after I said, I'm so sorry. I need the records. I'm going someplace else.

[Katie Lowe]

I honestly feel like none of my.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Doctors called me and said, will you stay if we offer you a discount? And I was like, no, it's still.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't have dental insurance, so I have to pay anyway.

[Katie Lowe]

Same you do. It's like bullshit, though. You submitted and you maybe get back $200.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, it's not worth it.

[Katie Lowe]

It's not like the full. You think it's worth it?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

The place I'm going to covers 100% anyway.

[Katie Lowe]

What?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yes, they cover 100%.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't have dental insurance, so I'm.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Gonna stay with Lasky.

[Katie Lowe]

Stay with Lasky.

[Jeff Lewis]

But. So one time, Jill wasn't there, and Monroe did not. She. She didn't want to see the husband He's a nice guy.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Oh, her husband is a dentist.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

By the way, I love the Laskys, but they brag about their kids big time. Big time. It's. It's cringey.

[Katie Lowe]

Aren't they both. They're both at the same college.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. They're smart kids.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah. And they go to a good.

[Jeff Lewis]

They're smart.

[Katie Lowe]

I know what you're.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, no. They both go to good schools. They're real smart kids, just like the parents.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah.

[Katie Lowe]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Nerds raise nerds. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

It's a dentist dynasty.

[Katie Lowe]

Dentist used to be on my son's like, what I want to be when I grow up. And it just left. It's now just Singer world. Singer World Singer.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

What does your daughter want to be when she grows up besides a K pop demon hunter?

[Jeff Lewis]

She said she doesn't want to go to school and she doesn't want to work.

[Katie Lowe]

Where did she get that from? Where do you think she gets that from?

[Assistant/Oscar]

Palm Royale?

[Jeff Lewis]

Watch. No, I think as hunting wives.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

But I do wonder she could be that. I do wonder. Us being ambitious, you know, working women, are my children to rebel against that. First of all, are they going to have kids at like, 17, 16? Are they going to be like, no, I'm starting now. Because they saw we went through so much shit to have them, and then are they just not going to want to work?

[Jeff Lewis]

You say you have a sweet tooth and you take your kids to Salt and Straw.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yeah, she does. How do you know this about.

[Jeff Lewis]

About me? Katie spilled.

[Katie Lowe]

I did not. You must have posted that or something.

[Jeff Lewis]

So where. Which Salt and Straw do you go to?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

The one in Studio City.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. How often you go.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I mean, they know me by name.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so. So often.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

But wait, I see the. I see the whole staff at the gym.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, really?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

And they're all like, hey, Jamie, good to see you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you like salt and straw? Isn't there one in Santa. On Santa Monica Boulevard?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

It is the best. It is unbelievable. And I've tried them all. I've tried everything.

[Katie Lowe]

She's got a screenplay on board.

[Jeff Lewis]

Two girls.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I do.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, and then you're obviously very, very fit and lean. And then. So how do you teach these girls? Like you're teaching them to enjoy food, correct?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yes. How do you know that?

[Jeff Lewis]

I heard it.

[Assistant/Oscar]

We're all talking about it.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you're saying, you say that the body is there to enjoy food.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Yes, yes. It's very important.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's what I always say.

[Assistant/Oscar]

You always say that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, but as long as you stay skinny and tight.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I think that diet, I think that beer at Chuck E. Cheese. I think that dieting is a road to disaster. I did it when I was younger and it created, you know, the mind does terrible things. And so I really, I have two girls and I just want to teach them like, yes, you need to eat good, healthy food. You need to eat good quality food and have dessert after you have dinner or after you have lunch. You know, don't eat that as your meal.

[Assistant/Oscar]

Meal.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

I like. Enjoy it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you do McDonald's?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Never.

[Jeff Lewis]

We do it like twice a week.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

Ever, ever, ever for you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, don't we have like a McDiv delivery now?

[Jamie Ray Newman]

You know why my kids won't do it? Because my older one says, how do they treat the animals?

[Caller Shannon]

Oh, boy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, I don't know.

[Jamie Ray Newman]

No, I say I feed them back.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis live every weekday on SiriusXM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

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