Joey McIntyre & Carnie Wilson: Chemistry & Christmas Albums

Summary

Podcast Summary: Jeff Lewis Has Issues

Episode: Joey McIntyre & Carnie Wilson: Chemistry & Christmas Albums

Date: December 19, 2025
Host: Jeff Lewis (SiriusXM)
Guests: Joey McIntyre, Carnie Wilson

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Overview

This lively, candid episode dives deep into holiday entertainment and personal anecdotes. Jeff Lewis welcomes Joey McIntyre and Carnie Wilson for an irreverent, entertaining conversation revolving around Christmas shows and albums, the realities of being in the public eye, on-screen chemistry, family dynamics, fan etiquette, and plenty of signature Jeff Lewis offbeat humor. With playful banter and a mix of heartfelt and hilarious moments, the trio covers holiday projects, personal life, and the ever-present chaos of Jeff’s world.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Ultimate Holiday Show: "Tinsel Color" (02:47)

• Event Talk: Joey McIntyre promotes "Tinsel Color," his Christmas music and variety show, held at LA’s new Cinevita venue – a show promising fun for all ages.
  • “It’s two hours and it flies by… let’s make a bet, it’s Christmas!” – Joey McIntyre (03:21)
• Ticket Prices: Discussion on ticket affordability, venue booths, VIP options, bringing the family, and Monroe (Jeff’s daughter) attending.
  • “You can get a table for $40 or $250, up to four guests.” – Joey McIntyre (05:33)
  • Jeff and Carnie joke about bringing both nannies and prefer booth seating.

2. Classic Holiday Hits & Evergreen Staples (06:02)

• Carnie’s Christmas staple “Hey Santa!” is playfully debated, and Jeff jokes about lyrics.
  • “It’s been on the radio for 30 years.” – Carnie Wilson (08:15)
  • Carnie jokes about a possible "dirty version."

3. Joey’s Christmas Movie Franchise: Jingle Bell Love & Wedding (08:50)

• Plot Recaps (Humorously by Jeff):

  • “So were you gonna do mixed use? Commercial on the first floor and then residential above?” – Jeff Lewis (10:43)
  • Joey shares about his involvement in writing and producing, and filming in Montreal.
  • Jeff admits to watching the film alone, not with his daughter: “I like these Christmas movies.” (10:14)
  • They detail the show’s formula, the far-fetched $25K fundraiser, and “Christmas magic.”
  • Joey discusses his role as a supportive, modern movie partner (“It’s very modern—modern partner.” 13:44).

• Chemistry Chat: (16:33)

  • Jeff pushes Joey about on-screen chemistry and kissing protocols.
    • “Did you open your mouth?” – Jeff Lewis (17:09)
    • “No open mouth kisses.” – Joey McIntyre (17:21)
    • Jeff continues with playful yet awkward questions about intimate scenes.

4. Balancing Work, Marriage & Family (18:29)

• Joey reflects on his marriage (22 years), shooting schedules, the importance of trust, and not being away from family for too long.

  • “My wife is a frickin’ superhero… she’s like, shut up, just go do it.” – Joey McIntyre (18:41)

• Carnie chimes in about trust and possible jealousy as a musician’s spouse.

  • “I used to be very jealous... But I know he would never cheat. Trust is so important.” – Carnie Wilson (21:40)

5. Kids, Spelling, and the Magic of Santa (23:13)

• Jeff brings out his daughter Monroe’s misspelled Santa wish list, sparking laughs and commentary on spelling (24:22).
  • “It’s not a request, it’s a demand.” – Carnie Wilson, on Monroe’s straightforward Christmas list (25:49)
• Each shares how long their kids believed in Santa and the gentle transition from belief to play-acting.
  • “A little, you know, in this day and age, to just… believe in something fun and safe… it’s nice.” – Joey McIntyre (27:32)
• Jeff worries Monroe is on the fence about Santa belief: “I want to get another year out of this!” (26:55)

6. Fan Interactions & Performance (28:24)

• Discussion about fans showing up at homes, receiving cards, the blurred line between family and fans.
  • Carnie mentions the loyalty and boundaries of long-term fans.

7. Candle Critiques & Comedic Product Placement (34:40)

• Carnie plugs her “Love Lights” holiday candles, which Jeff then parodies with “customer reviews," mocking soot and scents, leading to defensive banter and laughter.
  • “The rumors are that one of her candles started the Palisades fire!” – Jeff Lewis (35:11)
  • “Did you actually write that review so you could read this on the air?” – Carnie Wilson (35:33)
• Discussion of product placement in Joey’s movies as future cross promotion.

8. Joey & Carnie’s Christmas Albums (42:48)

• Fan Call: Jenny ("cruise duet partner") calls to ask Joey about a long-awaited Christmas album.

  • “We’ve been listening to your Christmas album now for 14 years, patiently waiting for a new one.” – Jenny (42:50)
  • Joey admits he just presented a new non-Christmas album and needs a break.

• Carnie reminds listeners she’s done solo and Wilson Phillips holiday albums, gently prodded by Jeff for better self-promotion.

  • “You’re not a very good self promoter.” – Jeff Lewis (44:07)

9. The Salt Lake Incident(s) & Fan Etiquette (37:44)

• Jeff asks Joey about an incident where he apologized to fans for calling out someone waving a stuffed animal at his concert.
  • “In the middle of the song, I said, ‘put that fucking thing away.’” – Joey McIntyre (39:20)
  • Joey clarifies it was a running joke, not malice, and explores the need for shared present-moment experiences at live shows.
• Carnie and Joey discuss the role of phones at concerts and the difficulty of balancing performers’ and fans’ desires to capture moments.

10. Joey’s Emergency Retina Surgery (44:25)

• Jeff brings up Joey’s emergency eye surgery in Salt Lake City.

  • Joey recounts the scare of a retina tear, seeing a doctor urgently, and receiving laser surgery.
  • “It feels like an eraser of a pencil, just jabbing you… like, 20 times.” – Joey (46:31)
  • Candid, vulnerable moment: Joey shares his aversion to oversharing and discomfort with sympathy, but expresses gratitude that his vision is okay.

• The group jokes about whether temporary blindness would boost ticket sales (“Full blindness is hotter than a patch.” – Joey, 46:55) and pitch a new meta-Christmas movie about regaining sight on Christmas morning.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Time | Quote | Speaker | |-----------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|------------------| | 03:21 | "It’s two hours and it flies by… let’s make a bet, it’s Christmas!" | Joey McIntyre | | 05:33 | “You can get a table for $40 or $250, up to four guests.” | Joey McIntyre | | 10:43 | “So were you gonna do mixed use? Commercial on the first floor and then residential above?” | Jeff Lewis | | 13:44 | “It’s very modern—modern partner.” | Joey McIntyre | | 16:33 | "Did you have any sort of chemistry with your co star, what's her name again? Michelle Morgan." | Jeff Lewis | | 17:09 | "When you kissed her, did you open your mouth...?" | Jeff Lewis | | 18:41 | "My wife is a frickin’ superhero… she’s like, shut up, just go do it." | Joey McIntyre | | 21:40 | "I used to be very jealous... But I know he would never cheat. Trust is so important." | Carnie Wilson | | 25:49 | “It’s not a request, it’s a demand.” | Carnie Wilson | | 27:32 | “…to just, you know, believe in something that's, you know, fun and safe… it’s nice.” | Joey McIntyre | | 35:11 | "The rumors are that one of her candles started the Palisades fire!" | Jeff Lewis | | 39:20 | "In the middle of the song, I said, 'put that fucking thing away.'" | Joey McIntyre | | 46:31 | "It feels like an eraser of a pencil, just jabbing you… like, 20 times." | Joey McIntyre | | 46:55 | "Full blindness is hotter than a patch." | Joey McIntyre |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:47 – Tinsel Color show and ticket banter
• 06:02 – “Hey Santa!” and classic holiday hits
• 08:50 – Joey’s Christmas movie "Jingle Bell Love"
• 13:44 – Supporting modern women in Christmas scripts
• 16:33 – On-screen chemistry and kissing scenes
• 18:29 – Discussing work, marriage, and being away from family
• 23:13 – Monroe’s Santa letter and spelling antics
• 28:24 – Fans at homes and holiday card stories
• 34:40 – Hilarious candle “reviews” and product placement discussion
• 42:48 – Fan call: Demanding a new Christmas album
• 44:25 – Joey’s medical scare: emergency retina surgery

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Tone & Style

True to Jeff Lewis’s style, the conversation is unabashed, sometimes outrageous, and peppered with teasing, tender moments, and real connection. The guests match his candor and wit, creating a frank and entertaining dialogue—perfect for those who like their holiday cheer with a thick side of sarcasm and sincerity.

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For First-Time Listeners

This episode captures the Jeff Lewis Has Issues essence: unfiltered humor, showbiz gossip, and genuine moments of vulnerability. Whether you love Christmas or just love a good laugh, the chemistry between Jeff, Joey, and Carnie keeps things bright—and often, delightfully inappropriate.

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Transcript

[Joey McIntyre]

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[Jeff Lewis]

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[Joey McIntyre]

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[Jeff Lewis]

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[Joey McIntyre]

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[Jeff Lewis]

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[Joey McIntyre]

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[Jeff Lewis]

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[Joey McIntyre]

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[Carnie Wilson]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[Jeff Lewis]

I have no problem prioritizing myself.

[Carnie Wilson]

I'm glad that you're feeling so good.

[Joey McIntyre]

About this, but the truth is I got fired and it's your fucking fault.

[Jeff Lewis]

She gets paid for this shit.

[Joey McIntyre]

You get paid for this shit.

[Carnie Wilson]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, welcome to Jeff Lewis has Issues. In this episode, Carney Wilson and Joey McEntire join the show. We chat about on screen chemistry, misspelled letters to Santa and lost Christmas albums. How are you, Joey? Good to see you.

[Joey McIntyre]

Do you have me?

[Jeff Lewis]

What's happening?

[Joey McIntyre]

Hi.

[Jeff Lewis]

Carnie Almost had to open for us the show this morning because you were peeing.

[Joey McIntyre]

Cause you waited to pee until 8, 58 and 37. You know why?

[Jeff Lewis]

Cause I thought I could wait till the break.

[Joey McIntyre]

I still get that.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I thought to myself, it's gonna be 30 minutes.

[Joey McIntyre]

We're in that place in our lives. I did an interview yesterday and I had to run to the back and I was like, can I hold it?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, no.

[Carnie Wilson]

So what happens? The pee just starts coming out?

[Jeff Lewis]

No. But it just starts to hurt.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Joey McIntyre]

What if you have to pee? It's a Christmas show. What's that? Can you take a break during your show?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. How does that work?

[Joey McIntyre]

There's enough breaks. Well, I've been in shows where you don't get off stage for an hour and a half. I mean, not like in theater stuff that you can't leave and. Or you get a cough or something and like you're tearing because you're not coughing, that kind of thing.

[Jeff Lewis]

So there is a supplement, however, that I just started taking. It's called Flowsome and they sent it to me and it's for people, for frequent urination. I was talking to Tom Arnold about this because I was getting up twice a night to go to the bathroom and I started taking it. And I think it's working because I still have to go once, but I've been able to hold it.

[Carnie Wilson]

But do you drink water before bed? Cause I think that's a fact.

[Jeff Lewis]

Not a ton of water, but yes. I'll take a couple swigs.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, I do too. And then also, like, I wake up.

[Joey McIntyre]

He has a limp now, though.

[Carnie Wilson]

I wake up in the middle of the night and sip water like all night long, but subconsciously I don't like. Do you also. Yeah, I think it's dehydration.

[Jeff Lewis]

What about this holiday show that you're doing?

[Joey McIntyre]

What about this?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, you go an hour and 15 minutes before the intermission. Right.

[Joey McIntyre]

You have very. I've been pitching for the chumps. Right. I'm gonna fill in the chumps right away. That I'm. I'm pitching this Christmas show. I mean, of course, mainly it's about my Christmas movie out this year, but I'm doing this amazing Christmas show in this brand new venue in la and it's called Tinsel Color. And you're very concerned about how long it is. You want to get in and get out. Bah, humbug.

[Carnie Wilson]

That's his whole thing. Because if it's too long, he won't go.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, it's incredible. Or he'll leave early with the intermission. It's two hours and it flies by. And I'm telling you, let's make it back. It's Christmas. Let's make bet.

[Jeff Lewis]

What's it called again? Tinsel Color.

[Joey McIntyre]

Tinsel Color.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay. Because we were talking about Monroe said to me today, she's like, daddy, what are we doing on Sunday? And I go, fuck, I don't know.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I was like thinking about that and Joey was telling me that I should take her to this, this holiday thing. And it's at the Sofi where you and I went. CB52s.

[Carnie Wilson]

I love that.

[Joey McIntyre]

Well, you must know.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh, my God.

[Joey McIntyre]

For the record, they do Tarantino. The show. Tarantino. Have you ever seen that?

[Carnie Wilson]

No. But you're actually doing it there. That's a big venue.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, no, no, no. Oh, it's a new venue called Cinevita. And that's. These are real. Look at the scene.

[Carnie Wilson]

Wow. Look at you.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's in the round.

[Carnie Wilson]

Wow.

[Joey McIntyre]

There's other pictures that.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, that's a production right there.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, it's a product.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

I just saw a guy without a shirt. You threw that in for the gays.

[Joey McIntyre]

You're in coming Sunday. Yeah, that's Brian, Justin Crumb and those who know know.

[Jeff Lewis]

So apparently they have like 22 Christmas songs and they're classics. And then the new ones, which Monroe would love. But then it's funny because, you know, Joey headlines the whole thing and I was like, oh, are there other, you know, celebrity, you know, celebrity musicians like yourself? He's like, well, you know, you know, they're famous like in Broadway. I'm like, oh, I get it. You don't want anyone to upstage you. So you're the most famous guy in the tent.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, well, he is.

[Carnie Wilson]

Of course he is.

[Joey McIntyre]

We have matching watches. Not to. They're very similar.

[Carnie Wilson]

Wait, what the fuck? That's really weird.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah. What? We have a girl and guy version?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, they're Rolexes, so they're. You know, they're not.

[Carnie Wilson]

We have the exact same.

[Jeff Lewis]

They're not that rare.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's very. Did you put the diamonds around it? No. Oh, I did. Sorry. Anyways, thank you for the. Thank you for the plug, Jeff. And you have to come. Your daughter will love it.

[Carnie Wilson]

Tinsel color.

[Jeff Lewis]

You don't even know.

[Joey McIntyre]

They're very reasonably priced.

[Jeff Lewis]

Really?

[Joey McIntyre]

How much are they prices? Listen, don't make me rant and rave about the ridiculous prices for live anything. It pisses me off. But what are you going to do?

[Jeff Lewis]

So you don't know the prices?

[Joey McIntyre]

No, no, no. There's. You can get in for like.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know, but I don't. I just. I don't want to just get in. I want a good seat.

[Joey McIntyre]

A good seat is like, you know.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, 75.

[Joey McIntyre]

About that maybe. Yeah, maybe a little bit more. But like you can get a table for 40 or you could get a table for 250. Up to four guests. A table for four guests.

[Jeff Lewis]

A table for two guests.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah. So you, Monroe, you're attitude. And then there's a big. Then there's big vip. Not vip, but bigger booths that are like a little bit more. It's a wonderful.

[Jeff Lewis]

I can bring both nannies.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yes, perfect.

[Jeff Lewis]

That is great.

[Carnie Wilson]

Except the booth. We like a booth. Jeff.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's 7:30. It's not too late.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, you could sing. Hey Santa.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh God.

[Joey McIntyre]

Hey, Santa.

[Jeff Lewis]

Have you heard her Christmas song? It's been around for like 15 years.

[Joey McIntyre]

Hey, Santa.

[Jeff Lewis]

She and her sister. It's pretty sticky actually. You might like it. Do we have it?

[Joey McIntyre]

Is it too early to say that I haven't seen you since your. Your dad passed and I want to say Send you love and I want to say why are you bringing it down? I'm sorry, but. Okay. I know about the magic of Christmas. There's enough time. I do want to say, it is. It's amazing the life you have lived and how you are. You are who you are. Thank you. You know what I mean? And for good reason. I mean, I don't know your family that well, but, like, it's. You know, it's really such a credit to your spirit and, like, who you are and what you've done. Thank you. And I really didn't. I know it's the Beach Boys and I know you, but there was, like, a disconnect.

[Carnie Wilson]

You put it together. Right.

[Joey McIntyre]

I'm sorry. The Trump.

[Jeff Lewis]

A week ago. You wanna talk about that, too? No.

[Joey McIntyre]

The chumps. The chumps wanna hear this. By the way, they're gonna say, you know, when you said that on Jeff, I really. I started to tear up in the car. So thank you.

[Carnie Wilson]

I appreciate it.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know what I mean?

[Carnie Wilson]

I do. So, anyway, he leaves a big legacy. His music will be here forever. And I'm so proud to have been his daughter. And it's really sad. But, you know, the great thing is that not a day goes by now without somebody on the street. I'm sorry about your father. We love his music. And that's what we're left with, is this beautiful music that nobody will ever, ever be without.

[Joey McIntyre]

I can't imagine anyone holding that space better than you.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh, God, that's so sweet.

[Joey McIntyre]

Throughout the years.

[Carnie Wilson]

Thank you so much.

[Joey McIntyre]

Is that okay, Jeff?

[Carnie Wilson]

Can we have a heart Christmas?

[Joey McIntyre]

Bah. Humbug.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yay.

[Carnie Wilson]

No, you gotta get to the chorus.

[Joey McIntyre]

Okay, now we're back.

[Carnie Wilson]

You gotta go to the chorus. Oh, my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

No. He should hear the lyrics. The stupid lyrics.

[Carnie Wilson]

How about that? Fuck you. How about the dirty version? That's what we should. This one.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know, I. I am.

[Carnie Wilson]

He's never heard it. He's never heard it.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, I. How have you not heard it?

[Carnie Wilson]

It's been 30 years. It's been on the radio for 30 years.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know, I have about five. Five albums that I listen to. Still. Sade, you know, Anita Baker. Like, that's where.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know what? Hey, Santa would be great at Tinsel Color. Okay.

[Carnie Wilson]

No, it would. People love it.

[Joey McIntyre]

I have to talk to the producers.

[Jeff Lewis]

People love it.

[Carnie Wilson]

They do. They request it in July.

[Joey McIntyre]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, really?

[Carnie Wilson]

When we're on stage, they're like, hey, Santa. It's like, literally, it's the middle of summer. It's cute. It's nice. It's good to know. It's like a Little. What are they called? Evergreen or whatever.

[Joey McIntyre]

Evergreen.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, it's an evergreen.

[Joey McIntyre]

Well, that's Evergreen Christmas. Yeah, it's a double banger.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so Joey McIntyre is here. He is a Christmas king. Now, I don't know if you know this. So he did a show. He did a show called Jingle Bell Love.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, it's a movie on Roku last year. And it was so good that we made the sequel.

[Jeff Lewis]

They made the sequel.

[Carnie Wilson]

That's good.

[Joey McIntyre]

Jingle Bell.

[Jeff Lewis]

So it was cheap to make Wedding?

[Joey McIntyre]

I don't know. I don't know. I didn't produce it, but I was very involved in making sure that. I thought it was pretty good.

[Jeff Lewis]

I actually think it looks good. The show looks good, isn't it?

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

The way that it was shot, it's actually a pretty show.

[Joey McIntyre]

Namaste.

[Jeff Lewis]

So that was in. Where did you shoot that?

[Joey McIntyre]

Came to Montreal, which is lovely because the crew is speaking French, so it's very romantic. You're doing this Christmas movie and everyone's. I don't speak French or else I try to speak French right now.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, the. The theme or the plot line was very, very, I think, very different from what we've seen in the past with Hallmark in Lifetime. So basically, a woman who has a. She had a singing career. Correct. She was a musician.

[Joey McIntyre]

Did she say anything nice to anybody?

[Jeff Lewis]

And then she moved back to her small town to help her ailing mother. And then I think the mother had a cafe. Correct.

[Joey McIntyre]

Kiss my ass, Jeff.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm embarrassed to say that I saw this. You watched that? I did watch it.

[Carnie Wilson]

I'm actually shocked that you did.

[Jeff Lewis]

I did watch it.

[Joey McIntyre]

With your daughter.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, just me. But this was the first one. So this is last year.

[Joey McIntyre]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

I like these Christmas movies.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So again, it was.

[Joey McIntyre]

He actually is saying something nice. He just can't say it nicely.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so now she has to save her mom's cafe. Right?

[Joey McIntyre]

If I remember correctly, the first one. Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes. And then you have to raise like $25,000 at the last minute. At the last minute.

[Joey McIntyre]

However, I was the one who came to town and I was tasked to buy it and take it from her and change it into a condo or something like that. And then I realized I'd fall in love with her at the same time.

[Jeff Lewis]

So were you gonna do mixed use, like commercial on the first floor and then residential above? Was that the plan?

[Joey McIntyre]

See, I thought we could do it all together, but turns out it was all or nothing at all.

[Jeff Lewis]

So then you fell in love with her and then you decided to help Her.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then you organized the daughter as well. Yes, I remember. You have a daughter cuz your wife died.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh my God. I remember this now.

[Joey McIntyre]

I was a grieving father.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Carnie Wilson]

It's dramatic.

[Joey McIntyre]

Who's pushing that button? Okay, all right, I forgive you.

[Jeff Lewis]

So Jingle Bell Love. Now ultimately, of course.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

They raised the money, they saved.

[Joey McIntyre]

Don't give it away.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, don't give it away.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, sorry.

[Joey McIntyre]

Well, that's the first one. That's the first one. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

And you kind of want to watch the first one before the second. You don't have to.

[Joey McIntyre]

Sure.

[Carnie Wilson]

Are you left hanging or is it just.

[Joey McIntyre]

You can. You can follow the second one. Like. Yeah, yeah.

[Carnie Wilson]

Is there like a clip?

[Joey McIntyre]

You'll pick it up.

[Carnie Wilson]

Is there a cliffhanger?

[Joey McIntyre]

That's the first one. And then the second one. No, no, no, no. We tie it up in a bow both times.

[Carnie Wilson]

Hope to see you guys in here again soon.

[Joey McIntyre]

I'm sure you will. Grace loves her hot chocolate.

[Jeff Lewis]

Snow is falling and the fire.

[Carnie Wilson]

It's a good feel.

[Jeff Lewis]

Doesn't it look good, though?

[Carnie Wilson]

It does. It's nice.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know, kudos to the. Yes.

[Carnie Wilson]

To the cinematographers.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yes. And they really. It is nice and warm and looks better than a lot of the stuff you see. Are you shooting this in the heat of summer?

[Jeff Lewis]

Macy's Cafe, Maisie's. Maisie's saved.

[Carnie Wilson]

I'm always impressed when a singer is an actor. I'm impressed.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, did you raise the money from. Did you put on some sort of.

[Joey McIntyre]

Christmas concert at the end of Jingle Bell Love?

[Jeff Lewis]

But you raised 25,000 bucks in that concert.

[Joey McIntyre]

Huh?

[Jeff Lewis]

And only like 14 people showed up, but you raised the 25 grand.

[Joey McIntyre]

They're generous. You know what? That's what I was saying in the writers room, Jeff, to be honest with you, I said this is a little bit much.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's far fetched.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's Christmas magic, you know? Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

They were 2,000 each.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah. But you can only afford so many extras, you know what I mean?

[Jeff Lewis]

So was it cold up there or were you having to wear.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, it was lovely. It was in May.

[Jeff Lewis]

Were you having to wear that ski jacket when it was hot out?

[Joey McIntyre]

It wasn't too bad.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay.

[Joey McIntyre]

It was lovely. Lovely little town called. I'm gonna. Can't say it with the accent, but. Terrebonne. Terrebonne, yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So even we basically have seen this movie about.

[Joey McIntyre]

Don't you dare.

[Jeff Lewis]

Sorry. 17,000 times. But, you know, with Joey McIntyre, it felt different.

[Carnie Wilson]

There's a twist.

[Jeff Lewis]

It felt different with Joey MacIntyre.

[Joey McIntyre]

That is like, coming from Jeff. That's like eight stars right there. That's like.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, it obviously grabbed me because I watched it.

[Joey McIntyre]

Thank you.

[Carnie Wilson]

So there was something about it that you liked?

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, yeah. So it did well.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then they decided to do a sequel.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

And that's Jingle Bell Wedding.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah. But, ooh, doesn't mean they get married. Guys, let's hang in there. There's suspense. Something. It might all fall apart.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, well, twisty poo.

[Jeff Lewis]

I did a little deep dive because I watched Jingle Bell Love, so I'm gonna. I kind of feel invested now.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, of course.

[Jeff Lewis]

So Jingle Bell Wedding, which you are so supportive of her music career, I have to say. Joey, thank you.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's very modern. Modern partner.

[Jeff Lewis]

So they're together. They're planning their wedding. Your daughter really likes her.

[Joey McIntyre]

She does.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, she really does. Like, they have a really nice connection.

[Carnie Wilson]

You are, like, weirdly obsessed with. This is, like, real pop rock design.

[Joey McIntyre]

I like Christmas movies. This is fiction. Right. This is not real life. I love it.

[Jeff Lewis]

But now that I know he was in the writers room, so he's, you know, he was writing this, as it goes.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, yeah, no, he's very involved.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I very much appreciated. You were very supportive. Even though she's working late nights with that hot black guy.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, I was a little.

[Jeff Lewis]

Who looked hung.

[Joey McIntyre]

I needed some. Oh, what?

[Carnie Wilson]

What?

[Joey McIntyre]

What?

[Carnie Wilson]

He said he looked hung.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hung, yes. Not that you're not.

[Joey McIntyre]

Cause he's tall and black. Jeff. That doesn't, you know, guarantee being hung like, boing.

[Jeff Lewis]

You have a pretty good chance, though.

[Joey McIntyre]

The odds are better for you, I think. Yeah. Yeah. I needed the info on that guy. Yes. I had to do some background checks, investigating.

[Jeff Lewis]

So he realizes, Joey, first, he's real supportive of this, but then now they're gonna go out and tour. Right?

[Joey McIntyre]

Together. I see his heart growing in front of me. You know what I mean? He set me up, you know?

[Jeff Lewis]

Well, now we're worried that the wedding's not gonna happen because she wants to.

[Carnie Wilson]

You know, more than he does.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know. I know.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh, my.

[Jeff Lewis]

I was in the writers room.

[Carnie Wilson]

You are so funny. I love this.

[Joey McIntyre]

This never happens.

[Carnie Wilson]

No, it doesn't.

[Joey McIntyre]

And we should say people also want to watch. They can watch on the Roku Channel. Roku Channel. Yes. Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Can I get to that? Can I go to Apple for that? Did I go to Apple? How did I get it?

[Joey McIntyre]

Do you have a. You might have a Roku tv. A lot of us have a Roku tv. Or you have a Roku stick or if you don't, you can just go to rokuchannel.com and watch it for free. You don't even have to sign on stream.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, so anyway, so the wedding. Now that you know she wants to go in concert with that hot black guy, which means she's gonna go on tour, which. You know what? You know what that means?

[Joey McIntyre]

He's a manager, not a performer, but yeah. Oh, okay.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh, he's her manager.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, yeah, but they're fucking. They're for sure. Or they're not. Or they're thinking about it. They're thinking about it and you're worried about it. I think they had at least one night. I know that you probably. I don't know, maybe we don't talk about that, but I think they had at least a one night stand.

[Joey McIntyre]

Maybe they have like an arrangement, you know, like when she's on tour.

[Jeff Lewis]

He realized his name is Romaine.

[Carnie Wilson]

Romaine.

[Jeff Lewis]

So Joey realized.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, it's not his name. Oh, you mean in real life. Oh. Oh, he's a good dude.

[Jeff Lewis]

What's gonna happen to Maisie's if she goes on. If she goes on the concert tour?

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, I gotta.

[Jeff Lewis]

Are you gonna run?

[Joey McIntyre]

I gotta juggle my music shop and Maisie's now. And I was. I'm planning a wedding.

[Jeff Lewis]

I know, I noticed that you had to plan the wedding.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, and there's a Christmas concert that's back on as well.

[Jeff Lewis]

So you do all this.

[Joey McIntyre]

I know, I know. Somehow pull it together now.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you have any sort of chemistry with your co star, what's her name again? Michelle Morgan.

[Joey McIntyre]

Michelle Morgan.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, Michelle Morgan.

[Joey McIntyre]

She's very, very lovely.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes, there was some chemistry, wasn't there?

[Joey McIntyre]

Sure, you hope so. As an actor, you want to have. It doesn't always have. It's not the. What do you say? It's not the rule. For sure. A lot of times you have to like work, but there's nothing like a little sensibility with whoever you're working with. And yes, she's a pro and lovely and we got along. Well.

[Jeff Lewis]

When you kissed her, did you open your mouth and we did not open.

[Carnie Wilson]

I was gonna ask about the kiss. Kissing?

[Jeff Lewis]

No. No open mouth kisses?

[Joey McIntyre]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now then. Okay, but then you're obviously hugging. But are you very like conscious not to touch her ass?

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh my God, what is wrong with you? Yes, I'm conscious to not touch her ass.

[Jeff Lewis]

You don't have that question when you're. When he's in a scene and he's kissing.

[Carnie Wilson]

I'm not thinking about her Ass. I'm thinking about, like, the kissing and like, if it was like a hot kiss and was. She could kiss her and all that shit. But he's married.

[Jeff Lewis]

But it's not a hot kiss if you're not opening your mouth.

[Carnie Wilson]

No, I know, I know. But then you go to the axe.

[Joey McIntyre]

She has three kids. Yeah. She's got like a little. Her daughter is adorable. She's got like a three year old.

[Jeff Lewis]

She has three kids.

[Carnie Wilson]

She's horny in real life.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, yeah.

[Carnie Wilson]

Okay. Yeah.

[Joey McIntyre]

Wow.

[Jeff Lewis]

Good body.

[Carnie Wilson]

Jesus. You really pushed the fucking limits, don't you?

[Joey McIntyre]

Great shape, for sure. Yeah. And she's lovely.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, so I actually think that this next one is going to be successful. So then what do we do?

[Joey McIntyre]

Jingle bell wedding, baby. But we're. I think we're. I mean, she does have a little toddler, but I don't know, the way.

[Jeff Lewis]

That you guys fuck in that trailer.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah. It'll be Jingle Bell Walker until you're a toddler.

[Jeff Lewis]

Totally makes sense.

[Joey McIntyre]

Mean back to me.

[Carnie Wilson]

No.

[Jeff Lewis]

So how long are you gone from your wife when you're shooting this film?

[Joey McIntyre]

He's writing his own Christmas movie. He's really just fantasizing about his own Christmas movie.

[Jeff Lewis]

How long are you gone?

[Joey McIntyre]

Too often. And my wife is a fricking superhero and I have three kids. Wow. Wow. Yeah. And I often go, it's not worth it. Like, honey, it's really not worth it. And she's like, shut up. Just go do it. And I'm lucky to be able to do what I do and still have an amazing family. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

So when you were shooting, it was quick, though.

[Joey McIntyre]

It wasn't a lot. It was like. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

How long were you there?

[Joey McIntyre]

Like, total? Maybe three weeks.

[Carnie Wilson]

That's not a long time.

[Jeff Lewis]

That's not that long of a time. That's probably kind of enough time where you're kind of happy to be away.

[Carnie Wilson]

Right? That's why you don't need to ask your next question.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, I'm not asking anything.

[Carnie Wilson]

Okay, fine.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, but that's. I mean, we all know what he's inferring.

[Carnie Wilson]

Of course.

[Joey McIntyre]

I think that's a decision. You know what I mean? Like, I'm not even. I don't even think of that. You know what I mean? Which is a lovely place to be.

[Carnie Wilson]

And that means you're happy at all.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's easy. I'm sure there's happily married people, but they're both, like, thinking of that. I mean, I'm still a guy and I'm still, you know, Things are, you know, chemicals are up and floating. But, yeah, no, it's, it's not. If you're. If you're saying, was it hard to be away for three weeks? It wasn't, you know. No, no.

[Jeff Lewis]

Other than that. Do you have an intimacy coordinator? So I feel like you might need one on this.

[Joey McIntyre]

We didn't, because we were never. We were never like in bed, you know, so it was just the kisses.

[Jeff Lewis]

You wanted to be, though. Did you. Did you suggest to the writers that. There.

[Joey McIntyre]

I had that once. I did a Lifetime series like a couple of years ago, and that was hot and heavy.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you have no clothes on? Because you have a good body? So if I was a casting director over the years. No, because I saw that picture of you in a Speedo washing the car.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, that was like 10 years ago.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, it looked newer. Okay. So I thought that, Yeah, I thought that if I was a casting director or director, I would definitely want to utilize that. Right, right.

[Carnie Wilson]

If they're hot.

[Jeff Lewis]

Scene a bit.

[Joey McIntyre]

Of course.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Carnie Wilson]

In the shower.

[Jeff Lewis]

You uncomfortable yet?

[Joey McIntyre]

Am I? No. Oh, I. You're. You're too. Too much of a good host. Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, I could lie and have people think that's, you know, yesterday. But the Speedo, that wasn't great. I could use some. We're looking at that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Was that all you and that Speedo?

[Joey McIntyre]

That was. Yeah, that's. No, no.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, yeah. Prosthetic. He has huge hands.

[Joey McIntyre]

Look how big his hands are. We can see some rumors over the years. Yeah. So maybe his spread by you. No, no, spread by the other new kids, actually. Maybe his love interest in Jingle Bell Wedding is not. She does not have a wandering eye after the sweeto pic. Yeah, yeah. That was from my. That was obviously a comical moment in a show that I did.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did.

[Joey McIntyre]

Called Return of the Mac.

[Carnie Wilson]

You know what? Rob goes on the road and he does these cruises every year and he's gone for a couple weeks on the cruise. And I, I'm not the. I used to be very jealous and I used to worry because he's. He's a good looking guy. So I think, like, there's gotta be some girl that just wants to, like, you know, knock on the door and suck his dick or something at night. So I go. So I. So I ask him. So what happens is, is I say to him, I'm not the jealous. Just a tip. I'm not the jealous, like, wife. But I do say, like, all right, so what's going on? Did a girl come and knock on your door, like at 2am Whatever, and he starts laughing. He gets this, like, silly, guilty laugh. But I know he would never cheat on me, so. Trust is so important.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, I think. Anybody. Like, for me, I don't really think of getting jealous. But in Gimme 45 seconds, and I could create a story about my wife. You'd never believe it. And she's blah, blah, blah. You know what I mean? And you could just spiral down. And anybody can do that, of course.

[Carnie Wilson]

And it can go both ways, you know?

[Jeff Lewis]

Does it also occur to you, like, if I. If you'd screwed around on Barrett, she's gonna take you for everything you have, and she's gonna take that beautiful house in Hancock Park. I mean, is that something that really kind of you think about?

[Carnie Wilson]

No.

[Joey McIntyre]

As if, like, that's the. No, no, no, no. I don't. I don't.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, because it won't pencil out for you.

[Joey McIntyre]

It won't pencil out.

[Jeff Lewis]

You've been married a long time. You've been married a long time.

[Joey McIntyre]

22 years. Wow. Yeah.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah. I'm 25. Yeah, I get it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, your kids, is it 18? 16.

[Joey McIntyre]

18. Almost 16 on the 13th of this month. And then 14. Two boys and a girl.

[Jeff Lewis]

So I was gonna show you this because I'm sure you remember. This was the letter from my daughter to Santa.

[Carnie Wilson]

I can't take that.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is the envelope. It says, Santa. North Pole.

[Carnie Wilson]

North Pole.

[Jeff Lewis]

Some Christmas trees and some wreaths. And then it says from Monroe on the back. What are those things on the back? Ornaments.

[Joey McIntyre]

Ornaments, yeah.

[Carnie Wilson]

Cute.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, what I realized is we still have to work on our spelling. Joey. We're a little.

[Carnie Wilson]

But can we say is the paper.

[Joey McIntyre]

Cut.

[Carnie Wilson]

It like it's very creative.

[Joey McIntyre]

She clearly doesn't listen to this show. Is there a rule about this?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, she doesn't have a subscription to the app.

[Joey McIntyre]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

So she cuts the note like a Christmas tree, which is very creative.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, it's cute.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then it says. Oh, she says she. Okay, she has to clarify that this is at Jeff's house. She wrote. She's supposed to say, daddy Jeff, not Jeff. But she does sometimes call me Jeff, and I have to correct her. Yeah, but it's Jeff's house, so just make sure, you know, you send these to the right house.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yes, right.

[Jeff Lewis]

Touch screens. But screens is spelled R, E, A. She spells like Joey. E, A, N, S. Screens and cleans.

[Joey McIntyre]

That makes sense.

[Jeff Lewis]

Skull.

[Joey McIntyre]

I'm a personality, not a speller.

[Jeff Lewis]

Skull. Pandas. But Skull is S, K, A, L, L. Skull.

[Joey McIntyre]

Skull.

[Jeff Lewis]

She wants a puppy. Joey, that's not gonna happen. Okay, so she wants a puppy. Labuboose.

[Joey McIntyre]

Of course.

[Jeff Lewis]

Which. We already have enough of those.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yes.

[Joey McIntyre]

My goodness.

[Jeff Lewis]

Makeup.

[Carnie Wilson]

Makeup.

[Jeff Lewis]

Art supplies is way off.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh, good Lord.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, it should have a Z in it.

[Carnie Wilson]

Supplies. Art supplies.

[Jeff Lewis]

Supplies. S, I, P, L, I, Z, E.

[Joey McIntyre]

There's somewhere in Hollywood I think, on. Well, maybe like in Pico or whatever it said I drove by yesterday. A hair. Supplies.

[Carnie Wilson]

There you go.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Carnie Wilson]

Interpretation.

[Jeff Lewis]

Art supplies.

[Carnie Wilson]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Slime.

[Carnie Wilson]

Slime.

[Joey McIntyre]

Of course, slime.

[Jeff Lewis]

And this is very general stuff for New York.

[Carnie Wilson]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

What does that mean? Stuff for New York?

[Joey McIntyre]

You have a place in New York?

[Jeff Lewis]

No, but we're going there for Christmas. And then. I can't even read the last word. Don't even know what the last one is.

[Carnie Wilson]

Calendon. Calendar.

[Jeff Lewis]

Don't even know what that is. Calendar.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah. Calendar.

[Carnie Wilson]

Calendar.

[Jeff Lewis]

How does she spell it?

[Joey McIntyre]

C, A, L, I, N, D. We.

[Carnie Wilson]

Got some work to do.

[Jeff Lewis]

She wants a calendar. I thought we were doing so well with spelling, but I guess not.

[Carnie Wilson]

But this is why I'm laughing. It's just a list. There's no Dear Santa. It's just. It's just like, here's what I want.

[Joey McIntyre]

Cause, look, her dad shows her how to talk to people.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, you're right.

[Joey McIntyre]

We're tired. You're demanding. You don't ask for it.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Joey McIntyre]

I want.

[Carnie Wilson]

It's not a request, it's a demand.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yes.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, it's a very humble list compared to what she could ask for.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Joey McIntyre]

Touch screen. Good point. Good point.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now she's getting those. But the puppy, that's a tough one.

[Joey McIntyre]

You gotta do it. She's gonna keep. No, no, no, no.

[Jeff Lewis]

Art supplies. Makeup, slime. Fine.

[Carnie Wilson]

Great. You'll get it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Skull Panda's fine. I don't know what that means. Touch screens. Like, what does that mean?

[Joey McIntyre]

I mean, iPad. It's like an iPad that.

[Jeff Lewis]

She already has one.

[Joey McIntyre]

I'm surprised she didn't put iPhone on there.

[Carnie Wilson]

Touch screen.

[Joey McIntyre]

Maybe she wants touch screens everywhere in the new house. Maybe that's what it wants. Let me rewrite things with her.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, you're right. It's very convenient, all those touchscreens.

[Joey McIntyre]

Did she happen to share with you.

[Carnie Wilson]

What'S on the letter at the other house?

[Joey McIntyre]

Do you know that's what I'm interested in? Oh, well, remember to have two different lists.

[Jeff Lewis]

I don't know. I think she knows that Santa comes to my house, so I don't know if I don't know what the deal is. Over there. She's trying to get a puppy at both houses. Maybe. Because her nanny said to me this morning, she said, yeah, she's on this. On the fence about the Santa thing. And I go, what the fuck? I'm like, no, I want to get another, like, year out of this.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

How long did your kids believe in Santa?

[Joey McIntyre]

They still believe in Santa. We're big believers in the house. Straight up. Yep.

[Carnie Wilson]

What?

[Joey McIntyre]

I mean, Elf on the shelf comes the whole thing. We believe.

[Carnie Wilson]

Wow. That's. And your eldest is almost 20 or 18.

[Joey McIntyre]

Whatever.

[Carnie Wilson]

I don't believe you.

[Jeff Lewis]

You.

[Joey McIntyre]

We believe.

[Carnie Wilson]

Wow, that's. That's intense. I mean, mine were, like, nine or they were young. How old is Monroe?

[Jeff Lewis]

She's nine.

[Carnie Wilson]

She's nine. You know, almost.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'm worried that it's over.

[Carnie Wilson]

It's the friends.

[Joey McIntyre]

They believe, slash play.

[Carnie Wilson]

Right, right, right.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know what I mean?

[Carnie Wilson]

They want to continue, but.

[Joey McIntyre]

But I'm. I'm not mad at that. A little, you know, in this day and age, to just, you know, believe in something that's, you know, fun and safe and I think, you know. Yeah, it's nice. My mom should have been a little kinder to Santa. She should have said, like, hey, how are you? Hey, yo, Santa.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yo, Santa. Hey, Santa.

[Joey McIntyre]

Stuff for New York, too.

[Carnie Wilson]

These are the things that I would love.

[Joey McIntyre]

And give me some stuff for New York while you're at it.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you get Christmas cards from fans?

[Joey McIntyre]

From fans? I think I've. You know, they're really like family by now, and they know that. They don't want to be the one that sends something to my house because that says, I know where you live. So I don't have a lot. And by the way, like, most of us, right, you can find out. Everything's out there, right where everyone is. Everything is out there, Joey. Everything scary, everything.

[Jeff Lewis]

Last night we were at this event. We had a meet and greet. These two ladies said, oh, we went by your house today.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh, that's.

[Jeff Lewis]

And I go. I go, which. But, you know, you weren't there. And I go, which house? The new one. She's like, yeah, the new one.

[Joey McIntyre]

You weren't there.

[Jeff Lewis]

I go, oh, well, I was there, like, 11:45. We just missed you. We were there at 12:15.

[Carnie Wilson]

Jesus Christ.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, they're harmless, but still creepy. Yeah, but I'm starting to get Christmas cards, which I appreciate.

[Carnie Wilson]

I get them.

[Jeff Lewis]

Except then I get.

[Joey McIntyre]

Are we on camera? Cause I keep picking my notes. No, you're not on camera.

[Jeff Lewis]

Go ahead and keep picking.

[Joey McIntyre]

I'm Videoing you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, you're on. He's on camera.

[Joey McIntyre]

I don't believe you. And I'm joking every time. He picks. I don't believe in Santa.

[Jeff Lewis]

But.

[Joey McIntyre]

I don't believe in Santa.

[Jeff Lewis]

But this was a nice card. You're unrelatable, entitled and elitist. You're humor. I love it is exactly what I needed. Your recent journey to weight loss through fat shaming.

[Carnie Wilson]

Wait a minute.

[Joey McIntyre]

Where's the background Christmas music? He's. He's fading it in right now.

[Carnie Wilson]

Wait a minute. I got a little.

[Joey McIntyre]

Carney Wilson.

[Carnie Wilson]

I got a card from the same lady I'm trying to find right now. You did the marine biologist. Whatever she spent time with.

[Joey McIntyre]

Keep reading.

[Jeff Lewis]

I work as a wildlife biologist. Yes, yes, you're right.

[Carnie Wilson]

And she spends time on the beach, but with the sea turtles.

[Joey McIntyre]

Don't spoil us. I can see her in a like a scuba shooter.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you have the same card?

[Carnie Wilson]

I got the same card.

[Jeff Lewis]

She didn't mention the sea turtles in my card.

[Joey McIntyre]

She wrote this underwater.

[Carnie Wilson]

She gave me. She's so sweet. She came at the meet and greet last night and she gave me the card and I gave her a big hug. She was a doll. What's her name again? She signs it Cynthia. Cynthia.

[Joey McIntyre]

Cynthia the deep sea diver.

[Carnie Wilson]

Nice chump.

[Jeff Lewis]

Keep up the abrasive humor and sarcastic comments. But I do like this that she's really inspired by the weight loss through my fat shaming. And so she's. She's. It's inspired her to lose £15. Wow. See? Bullying and fat shaming works.

[Carnie Wilson]

You're horrible.

[Jeff Lewis]

On December 19, based on the best selling novel. Amanda Seyfried and Sydney Sweeney star in the Housemaid, a wildly entertaining thrill thriller.

[Joey McIntyre]

About a live in housemaid and the.

[Jeff Lewis]

Wealthy Winchester family experience a twisted world where perfection is an illusion and nothing.

[Joey McIntyre]

Is as it seems.

[Jeff Lewis]

The shocking twists will leave you guessing until the very end.

[Joey McIntyre]

Can you keep a secret?

[Jeff Lewis]

The Housemaid Rate Rated R only in theaters December 19th.

[Joey McIntyre]

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[Jeff Lewis]

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[Joey McIntyre]

So good you can eat them.

[Carnie Wilson]

That was the point. Came from the love bites.

[Jeff Lewis]

So check that out.

[Carnie Wilson]

Thank you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, Joey, I do have a couple of reviews I want to.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh no. I thought this was a clean, nice plug.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, of course you have to back.

[Carnie Wilson]

It up with shit.

[Jeff Lewis]

Joey. I've never had a candle leave so much residue. My ceiling literally has smoke marks now. The wick kept flaring up unpredictably and.

[Carnie Wilson]

It honestly, she didn't trim it right.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know what? She has a. I love an unpredictable candle who needs a normal calm.

[Carnie Wilson]

You know, you have to trim the wick.

[Jeff Lewis]

It honestly felt like waiting to happen.

[Carnie Wilson]

What a bitch.

[Jeff Lewis]

The rumors are that one of her candles started the Palisades fire.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh my God, he's such a liar.

[Joey McIntyre]

You officially know no bounds?

[Carnie Wilson]

Absolutely.

[Jeff Lewis]

Within minutes of lighting it, the jar's rim turned pitch black and the soot started drifting through the room.

[Joey McIntyre]

That's called a.

[Carnie Wilson]

That's the biggest crock of the.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's called a smoked candle. It's a smoked candle.

[Carnie Wilson]

You know what?

[Joey McIntyre]

It's a smoked vibe.

[Carnie Wilson]

I don't believe that. Did you actually write that review so that you could read this on the air?

[Jeff Lewis]

The smell was so weird that it literally settled to my upholstery and won't come out. Even after cleaning. I'm uneasy about what chemicals I was breathing in.

[Carnie Wilson]

No chemicals. All biodegradable, all. All natural, eco friendly.

[Joey McIntyre]

Way to go.

[Carnie Wilson]

You didn't trim the wick?

[Jeff Lewis]

Honestly, unfortunately, you have to kid wrote that shit.

[Carnie Wilson]

That is so rude.

[Jeff Lewis]

It's pretty funny though.

[Carnie Wilson]

But appreciate them.

[Jeff Lewis]

It made me laugh.

[Joey McIntyre]

You gotta kind of believe it though, you know? Well done, by the way. But like, people are crazy, so it's very believable.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, but literally in the upholstery and then you had it cleaned. You couldn't get it out.

[Joey McIntyre]

Come on.

[Jeff Lewis]

You should have done product placement on Jingle Bell Wedding.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, it's a perfect wedding gift.

[Carnie Wilson]

The next one. The next one.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, it's a great wedding gift.

[Joey McIntyre]

Island Hibiscus.

[Carnie Wilson]

Hello.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's perfect. It's like a honeymoon and a candle. Would you suggest Jingle Bell Honeymoon? Thank you, that's great.

[Jeff Lewis]

Do you Want Carnie to do the candles for you?

[Carnie Wilson]

Yes. Stop saying no. Jesus Christ Almighty. No. It'd be nice on the fireplace.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, my gosh. Love Lights by Carnie Wilson. Cranberry Dream.

[Carnie Wilson]

I had a few people come up to me last night and say, we love your candles. We got your candles.

[Joey McIntyre]

I like the Cranberry Dream.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah, Cranberry Dream's a good. Good scent for the holidays. Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

She's a good actress, this one.

[Carnie Wilson]

I am not.

[Jeff Lewis]

Maybe in the Christmas movie. Yeah, maybe Jingle Bell maybe. Or Carney can be involved. You've done some acting.

[Carnie Wilson]

I could play the fat nanny or something.

[Joey McIntyre]

She's. Maybe you're the carrier of the baby.

[Carnie Wilson]

There we go.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, I feel like in those kind of movies, though, Carnie should play herself.

[Carnie Wilson]

Or, like, a therapist.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, there you go.

[Carnie Wilson]

Therapist.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, like, you kind of give her. Cause, you know, she's also a musician.

[Carnie Wilson]

Right, right.

[Jeff Lewis]

And a songwriter, so I feel like maybe you could give her, like, a mentor. Yes. I love that. For.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know what?

[Carnie Wilson]

That'd be good.

[Joey McIntyre]

That'd be good.

[Carnie Wilson]

I'll take it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I'll take the role. I think it's a big draw for you guys.

[Joey McIntyre]

Despite some of your delivery and your tone, you really do have a heart, and you do care.

[Carnie Wilson]

He does.

[Joey McIntyre]

And that's. It's. I'm confused. You know what I mean?

[Carnie Wilson]

Yes, I'm confused.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's unsettling. It's deeply unset.

[Carnie Wilson]

But that's. That's why we love him.

[Jeff Lewis]

Now, you had posted something. It was actually an apology, Joey, that you had done. Was this the. Oh, my God, the New Kids? Was this your residency in Vegas? Something happened where you. You had apologized to a couple fans and said that you had. You reprimanded a couple of folks. This is what you said, and I'd like to know what happened.

[Joey McIntyre]

Say that maybe someone said that. A fan did. Right? I did.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you. Were you in a.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, I. Not that I'm saying that didn't happen.

[Jeff Lewis]

It was Salt Lake at Salt Lake City. No.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, did I? Did I? Where did I.

[Jeff Lewis]

This is what he does.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, no, that's fine, because it's a good topic. But what. What was it? Salt Lake? Yeah, it was your show at Salt.

[Jeff Lewis]

Lake City, and you said that you had to reprimand a couple people.

[Carnie Wilson]

Oh.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, oh, no. See, see, there's two different things. So this is my. My solo tour. And when I'm up there and do my thing, as you might imagine, my personality comes out, which is fun. And also, you know, I Sing my. Took us off and I go for it. And there's moments or whatever, and what were they doing? This one. This one person. I think it was, like, five songs into the set. You know what I mean? I think it was the song of my new album. It's called One Shot. And so I'm, like, rocking it out. You're like, total rock star. And up comes the stuffed animal version of, like, doll of Me, right? And so in the middle of the song, I said, put that fucking thing away.

[Jeff Lewis]

Okay, so it was a joke. It was a joke.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's like. You know what it is? It's total the chump vibe. You know what I mean? Like, that's. It's almost a look. And the Die Hards from my Die Hards, they're almost looking for that kind of back and forth.

[Jeff Lewis]

But why'd you apologize then? Why do you need to apologize? It was a joke.

[Joey McIntyre]

No, it was. It was. It wasn't like a whole. Oh, my God. It was. It was. It was in jest. There was some light.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah.

[Joey McIntyre]

It didn't. Might not have read that way on the.

[Carnie Wilson]

It was, like, reactionary.

[Joey McIntyre]

And it was just. It was more like, honestly, which I don't normally do, is sort of like, this is what happened, by the way. And that's gonna. There was a little bit of a clickbait probably in that. Me sharing that. However.

[Jeff Lewis]

What does annoy you when you're performing? Like, what really gets to you? People on their phones. Like, what?

[Carnie Wilson]

Hate that I stop and say, what are you doing?

[Joey McIntyre]

The problem is, it's such a part of our business, right? The fricking phone. And sounds dramatic, but it breaks my heart, you know what I mean? Because we build these shows and we build these experiences, and now it's captured like this.

[Carnie Wilson]

I know you want to see it.

[Joey McIntyre]

And the sound is fricking crap, no matter how you're performing and the lighting is off and the whole thing. But, like, you have these diehards that want to save this moment, you know? But I do want to. But I am toying with, like, doing some dates with. With the. Put your phones away and just have the experience, which people aren't that mad at, actually. I think they like it after the fact. They don't want to do it. But, like, oh, my God.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, be proud. Be fucking present.

[Joey McIntyre]

I stopped filming at concerts because I've literally never gone back and watched it. Like, you don't.

[Carnie Wilson]

That's true.

[Joey McIntyre]

You think you want to film it, to record it, to remember it, but it's like, you're not gonna go back and watch shitty concert videos.

[Carnie Wilson]

Although when I saw Fleetwood Mac in the front row at the forum, I was filming Stevie, and I filmed Lindsey playing this amazing guitar solo. And a couple years later, I went back and watched, and I was like, oh, my God, I'm so glad I got that.

[Joey McIntyre]

I know. So sometimes it's tough.

[Carnie Wilson]

Maybe split the difference. Maybe just do it for, like, one minute and then be done and put your fucking phone away for the rest of the show. Yeah, that's okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

We. So we've done these two chun most shows, and we made it very clear that we don't want anyone taking pictures or anybody filming, especially if we're, like, talking on the panels.

[Joey McIntyre]

Sure.

[Jeff Lewis]

And we, you know, we were pretty serious about it. Like, if we see. If we see it, you're gonna be asked to leave, and we're probably gonna take your phone.

[Joey McIntyre]

And then you said you would their phone up.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, I would their phone.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Joey McIntyre]

Step on it.

[Jeff Lewis]

I will.

[Carnie Wilson]

You said you never get it back. That was the thing.

[Jeff Lewis]

Because you've been warned many times.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, it's such a relief, too. It's like a nice break and it. And it's special. But, you know, I think so many. The fans kind of do it for other fans, too. You know what I mean? They want to share it and, oh, you can't make it. I'll, you know, even live stream. And you're like, geez Louise. But it's kind of part of the business.

[Jeff Lewis]

You know, Considering the success of tinsel color, I think that we should take line two. I think she has a good question. Jenny Michigan.

[Joey McIntyre]

Okay.

[Jeff Lewis]

Hey, Jenny.

[Carnie Wilson]

Hey. How are you?

[Jeff Lewis]

Good, thank you. What's your question for Jo?

[Joey McIntyre]

Hi, Jenny. Hey, Jo, it's your cruise duet partner, Jenny Meyer.

[Carnie Wilson]

How are you?

[Joey McIntyre]

So the a. So the blockheads and Bravehearts out there.

[Carnie Wilson]

Are very proud of you for making your mark not only in the Christmas genre with tinsel color, Jingle bell Love.

[Joey McIntyre]

Jingle bell wedding, but jingle bell wedding, you had some original music in there that we all notice.

[Carnie Wilson]

So the question I have for you.

[Joey McIntyre]

Is we've been listening to your Christmas.

[Carnie Wilson]

Album now for 14 years, patiently waiting for a new one to come out.

[Joey McIntyre]

First of all, thank you for being my publicist.

[Jeff Lewis]

That was shade.

[Carnie Wilson]

I got you.

[Jeff Lewis]

That was shade.

[Joey McIntyre]

That was shade. But she wants a new Christmas album. Well, I just, you know, I just made a new original non Christmas album, so I feel like I need a little bit of a break. But thank you for wanting more and of course, for Jingle Bell. Love that song in Jingle Bell. Love A Brand New Christmas. I wrote myself. Myself.

[Jeff Lewis]

So did you get. They got it for free. You just threw it in?

[Joey McIntyre]

They didn't. Let's say they didn't back up the Brink truck for that.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Joey McIntyre]

For that thing.

[Jeff Lewis]

But start hiring you because then they get original music.

[Joey McIntyre]

And it's called the Brand New Christmas. But yeah, Jenny, thank you for. For all the plugs and I'll try to get on.

[Jeff Lewis]

It could be worse. You'd be wearing. You could be waiting 30 years for an album like we've been waiting from Carney.

[Carnie Wilson]

No, I made a song solo Christmas.

[Jeff Lewis]

Album after that 30 years ago.

[Carnie Wilson]

And then I made Wilson Phillips Christmas album. Christmas and harmony.

[Joey McIntyre]

Well, Christmas comes every year. We need more music.

[Carnie Wilson]

There's always room for Christmas. You guys.

[Jeff Lewis]

I didn't know you had another. You had a Christmas album with Wilson Phillips?

[Carnie Wilson]

Yes.

[Jeff Lewis]

Keon, instead of writing fake reviews for the candle, why don't you tell me important information like that?

[Carnie Wilson]

He didn't.

[Jeff Lewis]

He's like, I don't know.

[Joey McIntyre]

Just let him have fun.

[Jeff Lewis]

You're not a very good self promoter.

[Joey McIntyre]

Just him. I wish I could see. I love that tone. I could never reply to something like that here. He just went. I'm like, no. About everything. He's like, we're used to it.

[Jeff Lewis]

No, they're all like that. That one, too.

[Joey McIntyre]

Especially the kids. It's the generation.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the way they talk now. Is it true that you had emergency lasik retina surgery?

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah, in Salt Lake. What's with Salt Lake? Maybe I was pissed about the laser surgery.

[Carnie Wilson]

Could be.

[Joey McIntyre]

And I was a little tense.

[Jeff Lewis]

It wasn't about the doll.

[Joey McIntyre]

You were Last year.

[Carnie Wilson]

Emergency.

[Joey McIntyre]

It's the thing under the thing, you know?

[Carnie Wilson]

Wait, Em, what does that mean? Well, for a minute or what?

[Joey McIntyre]

I. I was on the road. It was in early October, and my geez, I don't even know. I think it was this one.

[Jeff Lewis]

Yeah, it was your left eye, and.

[Joey McIntyre]

It was getting cloudy and, like, you know how you. I don't know, like, it was. There's one thing to have, like, floaties or whatever. Yeah, one thing was to have, like, floaties, but like, this. It felt like there was a spider, like, swimming in front of my eye. It was that bad?

[Carnie Wilson]

Yeah.

[Joey McIntyre]

So I'm like, oh, wow. And I. I called one sister, and then I, like, texted my family because they're all older than me. I'm like, so come on, fill me in, guys.

[Carnie Wilson]

What do I do?

[Joey McIntyre]

What's going on now? Where do I go? And they were like, you need to see an eye doctor. I call my. What is it? The guy for the glasses.

[Carnie Wilson]

Optometrist.

[Joey McIntyre]

Optometrist. Ophthalmologist.

[Jeff Lewis]

Right.

[Joey McIntyre]

So not. Not him. No. And he was like, you need to see someone because it could be bleeding. Sure enough, I went to one guy and he said he checked it out. And I was like. It was the first time I was ever in front of a doctor where he didn't say all good. You know what I mean? Now, of course, you count your blessings, and suddenly you're like, oh, my God. How does it feel to get bad news about something really serious from a doctor? It's like, holy cow. But it was kind of like a buff because he was like, oh, yeah, we need to, you know, get you to someone else. So ran to another guy who was like a retina specialist, and sure enough, there I am in the thing, like, an hour later getting laser surgery on my eyeball, which feels like an eraser of a pencil, just jabbing you, like, 20 times. You're just.

[Carnie Wilson]

Jesus Christ.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Did you ever think, though, when you were going through this, and it's probably pretty scary, that you could sell more tickets if you were blind? Maybe a pack, like Stevie Wonder.

[Joey McIntyre]

Can we work out? Can we work.

[Jeff Lewis]

He did well for himself that season.

[Joey McIntyre]

Can we work our way there? What about a patch? Would that give me a bump or, I don't know, just one eye? No, that makes you less hot.

[Jeff Lewis]

Even if you had a temporary blindness.

[Joey McIntyre]

Full blindness is hotter than a patch.

[Carnie Wilson]

A patch is really light.

[Jeff Lewis]

Everyone loves, like, a.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know what? You're hot. Saying that, I'm going to give it right back to you. Not that that was a compliment, because I'm not blind, but, like, the way you.

[Jeff Lewis]

Even if it was temporary blindness. Cause the amount of press he would get.

[Joey McIntyre]

One hour, Michael. That's all we need.

[Jeff Lewis]

And then if they healed it, then he's gonna get even more press.

[Joey McIntyre]

I Can See Again by Joey Max.

[Jeff Lewis]

You for sure are gonna see.

[Joey McIntyre]

I have an aversion to oversharing, which kind of holds me back. I share certain things, but I just have a cringe thing when people go, oh, my God, I'm so sorry, you. Because they do care about you.

[Jeff Lewis]

All right, so I want to wrap up this story. So you had surgery on your left eye, and is everything okay now?

[Joey McIntyre]

Everything's fine. I mean, he. He did see that there was a tear, like, up on the top, and he zapped it, and it did. It took a while but it did clear up because it was, it was spotty. But those black spots were actually blood. It sounds.

[Carnie Wilson]

Wow.

[Joey McIntyre]

You know, but that's what.

[Jeff Lewis]

Why did that happen? Happen?

[Joey McIntyre]

I think it, it by the way, they said, you know, it's like it's not your fault. And I was like, okay, yeah. You know, I didn't do anything. It, it's cuz I didn't bang my head. There was nothing that happened. Like, it just, it just kind of happens. And it might be an age thing too.

[Jeff Lewis]

I mean, just a lot of missed opportunities had you not gone blind.

[Carnie Wilson]

You do have gorgeous. But he has gorgeous, gorgeous blue eyes.

[Joey McIntyre]

Yeah.

[Jeff Lewis]

Jingle bell, baby. Maybe you should go blind. It'll be a Christmas miracle. On Christmas morning when you wake up.

[Carnie Wilson]

I finally see Christmas.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, my God. I love it. Carney.

[Carnie Wilson]

That was good.

[Jeff Lewis]

I want to be Carney and I want to be in the writers room.

[Carnie Wilson]

Yes.

[Joey McIntyre]

The Christmas lights bring your vision back. You don't need.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh, my God.

[Joey McIntyre]

From the tree, the tree lighting ceremony. He can see it and all of.

[Jeff Lewis]

A sudden you can see it. Yeah, but it has to be like slow.

[Carnie Wilson]

Like it's blurry, it's sparkling, it's twinkling, it's full. And then it clears and do we.

[Jeff Lewis]

See it from his vantage point? Oh, my God. The blurry. And then it clears out.

[Joey McIntyre]

He sees his baby.

[Jeff Lewis]

Oh. Oh, you're right. Because he's never seen the baby.

[Joey McIntyre]

Oh, my God. Sick.

[Jeff Lewis]

Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis Ladd every weekday on SiriusXM as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

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