Katie Lowes & Cameron Mathison: Exposure Therapy & Gifts

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: Jeff Lewis Has Issues
Episode: Katie Lowes & Cameron Mathison: Exposure Therapy & Gifts
Date: December 31, 2025
Host: Jeff Lewis
Guests: Katie Lowes, Cameron Mathison

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Episode Overview

This lively, irreverent holiday episode welcomes actors Katie Lowes and Cameron Mathison for an energetic conversation blending recaps of chaotic Jeff Lewis Live events, behind-the-scenes tales, office party drama, gift-giving rituals, camping confessions, and reflections on fame, family, and therapy. It's candid, full of trademark Jeff Lewis sarcasm, and seasoned with sass and heartfelt moments.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Surviving Live Events: Exposure (Therapy) for Hosts

• Katie Lowes shares her harrowing experience hosting a recent Jeff Lewis Live event, likening it to “exposure therapy” (05:17), filled with conflicts, intoxicated audience members, and on-the-fly mic-wrestling.
• Cameron Mathison and Jeff compare notes about event chaos, crowd control, and the preparation and professionalism required, with Katie expressing admiration for their hard work (07:42).

  “You are such a hard worker. Like, you just really care.” — Katie to Jeff (08:10)

• Takeaway: "Chumps" (Jeff's fans) are comfortable with direct conflict and high-octane energy, while Katie is conflict-averse, revealing differences in comfort zones and boundaries.

2. Audience Behavior & Backstage Dynamics

• Stories of inebriated attendees, on-stage fights, and wild audience participation.
• Standout moments: A drunk woman tries to wrestle the mic from Katie as her first interview (05:39), only to be called out by Jeff, ejected, then returns with her partner—who then sits on someone’s lap.
• Observation: The dysfunctional-yet-functional chaos is emblematic of Jeff’s events. Annie is credited for skillfully "curbing Jeff's monologue" for better show pacing (08:45).

3. HR Complaints & the SiriusXM "Winterfest" Party Snub

• Jeff was not invited to the company Winterfest, prompting a tongue-in-cheek HR complaint—then a series of comical, bureaucratic excuses about “another Jeff Lewis in Atlanta” getting the invite (12:04).
• Outrage and mock-legal threats ensue over missing out on two free drink tickets and lackluster charcuterie:

  “I want my two free drink tickets… Because everyone got two free drink tickets.” — Jeff (12:40)

• The pain is compounded by learning that others (including co-hosts) were invited and by reports of inconvenient party timing and $20 parking fees.
• Jeff admits he’s “butt hurt” but also uses these parties to extract company info from “drunkest executives” (18:03).
• Hypocrisy acknowledged: Jeff draws parallels between his outrage and others’ drama over event exclusions.

4. Duffing: Reflections on Self-Esteem

• Oscar (recurring “chump”) reveals being the “DUFF” (Designated Ugly Fat Friend) for a woman who used him to reach another friend (19:19).
• Jeff playfully psychoanalyzes, suggesting Oscar is misreading social cues due to narcissism and overestimating romantic interest (20:03).
• The discussion snowballs into relatable stories of misinterpreted intentions, nostalgia, and self-deprecating humor.

5. Christmas, Parenting, & the Santa Myth

• Heartfelt and funny exploration of maintaining the Santa mythology for their kids.

  “I believe in Santa.” — Jeff (24:27)

• Cameron recounts the extensive lengths he went to preserve belief, ultimately regretting how he broke the truth to his son (23:46).
• Katie and Cameron discuss the dilemma of whether “lying” about Santa establishes trust or confusion, particularly for actors’ kids visiting Christmas movie sets (22:15).

6. Cameron's House Fire & Gift-Giving Rituals

• Cameron shares the loss of his beloved, historic home due to fire and the sentimental loss of Christmas ornaments (25:13). He thanks a company that replaced some ornaments.

  “My house burned down. I lost all my Christmas ornaments…so special to us.” — Cameron (25:20)

• Jeff and guests rib Cameron for frequently mentioning the fire in posts, leading to self-aware reflection and group teasing.
• The ritual of industry gifts is dissected: actors receiving cards noting donations, duffel bags, or luxury items vs. more lackluster gifts (44:20).
• Discussion on thoughtful vs. performative/corporate gifts, and contract distinctions impacting invitations and perks.

7. On Camping and Solo Retreats

• Cameron describes taking solo camping trips in the Angeles Crest Forest as a way to decompress (31:15), baffling everyone else.
• Katie is completely uninterested in outdoor camping, favoring hotels and comfort.

  “I do a lot of woodsy stuff...in lake houses and cabins and things like that. Sure, I’m into all that. That’s not camping.” — Katie (34:00)

• They joke about camping as a cover for a secret life, potential horror-movie scenarios, and discuss glamping vs. roughing it.
• Jeff and Katie agree: No camping, but maybe glamping if it involves luxury and martinis.

8. Industry Schedules & Wellness Routines

• Cameron divulges tackling 87 pages of dialogue in a single day on General Hospital after a Christmas movie shoot abroad—fuelled by coffee and peptides (37:49-38:12).
• Tangent: obsession with health hacks, IV vitamin and peptide therapy at “Pause” wellness spa (39:02), and the group’s varied approach to self-care.

9. More on Gifts & Corporate Perks

• The specific types of gifts received from networks (money clips, passport holders), and Jeff’s mild envy of more exclusive gifts reserved for on-screen talent (46:11).
• The quirks and pecking order of industry “thank you”s, and the hard truths about who makes the cut.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “It’s exposure therapy. Put her in the highest conflict situation.” — Cameron on Katie’s Jeff Lewis Live experience (05:17)
• “Your crowd was filled with like, holy shit, you have a great body.” — Katie, recounting audience feedback (03:02)
• "I want my two free drink tickets... Because everyone got two free drink tickets." — Jeff, voicing his real grievances (12:40)
• “Oscar still believes in Santa, which I think is so cute.” — Jeff, poking fun at co-host innocence (24:53)
• “If Cameron asked you to go camping, you’d go?”
  “No.”
  — Jeff & Katie clarifying camping boundaries (33:34)
• “I fly next to the toilets…just hiding with my children and my wonderful husband in the back row.” — Katie on non-glamorous travel (43:01)
• “I'm from New York. My mother talks like this. I'm fucking New York.” — Katie (47:33)
• “I wouldn't go camping, but if it was the Ahwahnee, I’d want to stay at a nice hotel…have a really nice martini, steak, caviar…” — Jeff, on his version of ‘outdoors’ (35:05)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:17 — Introductions, event recap begins
• 02:19-07:04 — Hosting chaos, crowd behavior, sexual harassment jokes, survival strategies
• 08:42-09:43 — Praise for behind-the-scenes staff; curbing Jeff’s monologue
• 11:20-14:55 — The HR complaint & Winterfest party snub
• 19:19-20:42 — DUFF story; discussions on misread social cues
• 22:05-24:00 — Santa Claus talk: parenting, believing, the “bizarre lie”
• 25:13-27:07 — Cameron’s house fire, ornaments, gift sponsorships
• 31:05-36:21 — Cameron’s solo camping philosophy versus team “never camping”
• 37:49-39:02 — Soap opera acting schedules, health fads (IVs, peptides, Pause spa)
• 43:41-44:11 — Hollywood perks, family negotiations for flying economy
• 46:11-47:24 — Discussion about holiday gifts from networks
• 47:33-48:13 — Katie’s New York roots, hotel talk
• 48:52-49:13 — Promotion of Cameron’s Christmas movies

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Tone & Takeaways

• Tone: Candid, irreverent, self-deprecating, and warm with sharp banter typical of Jeff Lewis.
• Themes: Workplace dysfunction, the realities of show business, boundaries, friendship, self-care, and family myths. There’s genuine camaraderie, a dash of vulnerability, and an undercurrent of gratitude despite gripes about parties and perks.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode offers hilarious, honest insights into the chaos of live fan events, the unavoidable drama of office party politics, the strange comforts of ritual (from gift-giving to camping), and how even celebrities juggle family, therapy, and the occasional “DUFF” moment. The vibe is equal parts biting and affectionate; if you’re seeking an entertaining dose of personality and showbiz reality with your holiday cheer, this episode delivers.

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Listen to catch candid stories, industry in-jokes, and some genuine advice—whether about crowd control in live events, surviving HR, or just prepping for Santa’s last visit.

Transcript

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[B]

When you're Jeff Lewis, the drama never stops.

[A]

I have no problem prioritizing myself.

[B]

I'm glad that you're feeling so good about this, but the truth is I got fired and it's your fucking fault.

[A]

She gets paid for this shit.

[E]

You get paid for this shit.

[B]

Jeff Lewis has issues.

[A]

Hey, it's Jeff Lewis. And I have issues. In this episode, Katie Lowes and Cameron Mathison join the show. We chat about exposure, chump therapy, HR complaints and company gifts. We've got a Christmas queen and a Christmas king here today.

[B]

Merry Christmas.

[E]

That's right. Merry Christmas.

[A]

Did you know that when you planned this?

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

It's a Christmas special.

[A]

I didn't know today's a Christmas special. Now, Katie, I am shocked you are back after what you went through, the trauma.

[B]

I'm not gonna lie. I am too.

[E]

Guys, did you hesitate, like, when you were invited back?

[B]

No, but I was glad. There was like a nice big buffer of like a week and a half just to, like, shower a bunch and sober up. I gotta hear about this process. What I saw last Tuesday night, I.

[A]

Actually thought, Cameron, you might be. I actually thought Cameron might be good. Cameron and Katie, in the audience, we.

[C]

Always say that, like, the chumps sexually harass us. Cameron would get literally sexually harassed.

[E]

Bring it up. Let's see what you got. Let's see what you got, chumps.

[A]

Did you get sexually harassed?

[B]

No, but everybody commented on my body.

[A]

We do have some lesbians shout out lesbian chops.

[E]

Mostly women or men in the lesbian.

[C]

The men in the crowd were not attractive.

[B]

It's 9:01 or 2. Here we go.

[E]

Got you, got you, got you.

[B]

No, mostly women. And you know, you probably don't get this because, well, I just look different than on camera than I do in real life. And at this point, after 20 years of working on television, I know this. So it was just your crowd was filled with like, holy shit, you have a great body. Because I guess they don't think I do camera, which is nice. I work hard at it, I'm healthy, blah, blah, blah. But like, that's what everyone was commenting on.

[E]

Do you have like, photos on your Instagram of like bikini photos or anything? It was like, God, no.

[A]

That's why. That's why they don't know.

[B]

That's a hard thing. That's exactly why I also spent 10 years on TV being pregnant twice, breastfeeding for three years, whatever. Shit was real. I know. Wah, wah. That's that sound cue, isn't it?

[A]

So now you said your assessment of the chumps. Oh, my God. Is that a lot of them have alcohol problems?

[B]

Yeah. Guys, I love you all so much. I really, really do. Look, I love to drink as well, but this is extraordinary.

[E]

I imagine people will not remember. They were looking forward to this night. They were gearing up for it. This was their one time to just go a little nuts.

[A]

I mean, they call in Tuesday at 9:15. I mean, wasted.

[B]

But they pay all this money and I fe. Like, they don't remember it the next day. Like it was belligerent. Not walking. Can't put stuff.

[F]

That's how we get them to come back. This is perfect business plan.

[C]

We just did this show twice.

[E]

It was exactly the same.

[F]

They're like, did you do this show last year? Whatever, I don't know.

[B]

I also just so, like, okay, two things. Takeaways from the night A, I gotta work on this in therapy. But I'm so conflict diverse and there's so much like infighting that people, your people are just real comfortable with that. And I'm not like, you're amazing. They're amazing. But like, wow, they're so cool at yelling in each other's faces. And I'm just not. I saw those two lovely gentlemen who are married. They yelled at somebody really badly for not getting invited to something. And then Joey and Annie were in a fight. And then the first woman I interviewed was trying to rip the mic away from me, like super aggressively. And I just was like, this is a lot. Um, and I thought everyone hated me. Like the whole Time. And I was doing things wrong because Doug had coached me so hard on, like, don't let the mic go. You have to vet the questions. You have to know what's going on inside. You can't ask Jeff about this. That or you can. And I didn't know it was, like, high pressure.

[E]

You know what it is? It's. It's like therapy for, like. It's. You know, you. It's. It's like boot camp. They're putting you through that. You're gonna come out tougher. You're gonna become out more resilient.

[F]

It's exposure therapy.

[C]

Exposure therapy put her in the highest conflict situation.

[E]

That's what I'm saying.

[A]

So, Cameron, you are a professional host. I believe the number one is you never let go of the mic. So that was what we had ingrained in Katie Lowe's head. So there was one particularly very strong drunk woman. Katie. I mean, she was wrestling you for that moment.

[B]

She was my first person. Like, it's not even like I could warm up. Do you know what I mean? She wasn't my 10th, where I was, like, you know, had grown a pair of balls by that point. I felt better, more comfortable in the arena.

[E]

She wanted that mic.

[B]

She was my first person, and she was absolutely obliterated. Slurring, strong and scary.

[F]

The best part is that Jeff called.

[B]

Her out, and Jeff was mean to her. And then she left.

[F]

Well, no, Jeff called her out, and she's like, wait, no, no, I'm not drunk. No, but you don't get it. I was like, damn.

[A]

It's.

[F]

We had just started the show.

[B]

To be fair, she did leave. Crystal felt bad about it. I felt like I fudged up, which is per usual. Then she came back. Then her husband sat on somebody's lap at our table, and I was like, I give up. I don't understand this crowd. Do you not remember that? I didn't know they came back. Yes, she came back. And her husband. Or I think maybe they're not.

[F]

Husband.

[B]

I think whoever. Some guy. I think it was her husband. I think it was Joey's lap. Did he sit on Joey's lap? It was either Michael or Jenna. Yeah, it was all wild. Look, this is a wild night.

[C]

And we spent two hours in the car prepping Katie. You don't know what's about to happen. These people are crazy. This is gonna. They're gonna go off. And she was like, I got it. I'm a professional.

[E]

You needed me there with you in the car.

[B]

Yeah. Next time you're coming with me. You are going to get.

[A]

We could use some professionals. Truly, we could. We really could.

[E]

But I will be there. I will be like just your kind of security guard slash professional.

[A]

They will grab you, grope you. You have no idea. You have no idea.

[E]

Now it'll be more actionable.

[A]

Was it last year with a woman. She had been eating ribs and then wiped her hands on the woman in front of her.

[B]

I'm appalled. I am absolutely appalled by that behavior. That's fucking unacceptable.

[A]

So that's why when they get that drunk, I almost rather them leave. Do you know what? I'm.

[B]

Of course. It's like they're gonna. Somebody threw up in an aisle.

[A]

That's why I wasn't mad when the girl left.

[C]

We also shouldn't serve ribs. That's just a mess of food.

[A]

You're right. Whose idea was it to serve ribs?

[C]

Chicken strips. You know, something dry, something easy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The other takeaway that I had was I got to ride down with y' all down there. And I just have to say, not to kiss your ass, but, my God, you work really hard. And that was really impressive. Like, you're. Everyone's having a great time and you're laughing and everyone's fucking getting wasted, but you are, like, practicing your notes and looking over your cards and want to give everybody a really good show, and I respect that. Like, that was really impressive.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

Like, I saw a little bit behind the curtain and you are such a hard work. Like, you just really care.

[A]

Thank you. Thank you.

[B]

That's what I'd like to say.

[A]

And I think Keyan worked really hard on those shows too. No, he really did.

[B]

Oh, my.

[A]

Shane, not so much.

[B]

You are.

[C]

The two of you. I knew we had key.

[B]

The takeaway. You two work so hard.

[A]

No, they do.

[B]

In the prep in, like, controlling the crowd, making sure everybody's having a good time. Like, it was. You guys really worked your ass off. Congratulations.

[A]

What about Annie?

[B]

Well, thank God for Annie because she was like my companion. She was coming around with me, vetting the thing, vetting the questions until I. She knew she. I could be trusted.

[A]

You did great.

[B]

Also. You were amazing. Curbing his monologue.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[E]

What do you mean by that?

[A]

Made for a better show.

[E]

What do you mean by curbing his monologue?

[B]

Well, Jeff, just like, talks.

[A]

I. Monologue talks.

[B]

And it's like, stop talking.

[E]

Oh, so you were like.

[C]

She means exactly what she says.

[E]

So. Yeah, I got you. Cameron, literally, just reel him in a little.

[A]

It's really, really subtle.

[F]

Standing up in the middle of the show, she'll be like, stop.

[B]

She stands up, she's like this.

[A]

Like, it actually made for a much better show.

[B]

It was great.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

I. I hope.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She has a great meter of when you're, like, repeating yourself or being done.

[A]

I know. So here's the thing, though. I come from a family where we get it out, and then the next morning, wake up, everybody's fine. So there's. There is some fighting and there's some screaming, and. But then we let it go. So I guess maybe it's my family dynamic. But in that green room, when they're yelling at each other, my feeling is, okay, they're all gonna get it out, and then tomorrow we'll be good. But the problem is, is that we're not good.

[E]

Well, not everybody's got that same family dynamic. Cause I don't think that's like. You know what I mean? That's interesting that that's how you grew up. So for you, that's very. Almost just the way to get through things. But I would imagine, like, in my, you know, growing up with me, that would be. We'd be hanging on to that, man. I wouldn't forget it.

[A]

I don't hang on to that shit.

[C]

You said on the clip, you can hear you saying, like, let him get it all out. He's good. Just like, spill it out. And then. Cause you thought that would be the end of it.

[B]

Oh, my God. I literally exited the room. I was like, I'm having a heart attack. I can't. I can't.

[A]

You thought they were kidding at one point.

[B]

I thought it was, like, staged. I was like, what have I landed in?

[E]

Like, this is fucking nuts.

[B]

This is.

[C]

What theater is this?

[E]

Yes. During the show.

[B]

Well, it was right after a prayer. We did a prayer circle.

[A]

We had to do the prayer.

[F]

We have to.

[B]

I mean, obviously it didn't work.

[A]

We did a big prayer service.

[F]

Well, there's a lot of people.

[C]

God was like, you're on your own.

[B]

You're all like, let's have a great show. There were so many things that made me uncomfortable. She was super late. I don't do well when people are late. I'm Lakendra. I can't deal with that. Like, we didn't even know if she was in Orange County. I didn't know where I was. I was out of my comfort zone. However, I still think. And hopefully you chumps that were there, whatever I tried to deliver in the.

[A]

Audience participation, I think you carried it. You carried it. You Did a great job. What? Why?

[B]

Are you worried? No, it was great. I felt bad the whole time that Joey was like, Mia.

[A]

Oh, don't feel bad.

[B]

That wasn't your fault. Okay, cool, Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool at all.

[A]

Now I think we should. We should pivot a little bit and switch subjects.

[B]

Let's do it.

[A]

Wait, did you have something to say, Keon? What? What's happening?

[C]

I was just queuing up the argument.

[A]

So he could hear it, but it's fine.

[C]

It doesn't matter.

[A]

Oh, I don't. I think you. I think it's garbled when you listen to it on the audio. As you know, yesterday I was very upset because I had found out that SiriusXM had a holiday party and that they. I guess I, for whatever reason, didn't get the invitation. So after the show I had, I stormed into hr. I said that I would like to file a complaint now. She was on a zoom call with other HR executives from SiriusXM. I thought it was a great forum to air my grievances.

[B]

Agreed.

[A]

The I believe. Did you notice there was a little bit of excuse making? They said, you know, I think what happened. Yeah, is that in. Was it Denver or something? Or Dallas?

[B]

Atlanta.

[A]

Atlanta. In Atlanta, we have another Jeff Lewis. So we think that your invite went to Jeff Lewis at SiriusXM.

[B]

Have we asked this Jeff Lewis?

[C]

He doesn't exist.

[A]

He does not exist.

[C]

There's no other Jeff Lewis.

[A]

So I said, oh, okay. Is there also a Kiki Monique? Because she didn't get invited either.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

And I said, look, I don't want to, you know, mention I'm not litigious. I said, I don't even want to talk about a hostile work environment. But I said, I want my two free drink tickets. Yeah, that's what I want. Because everyone got two free drink tickets.

[E]

Let me ask you this. Last Christmas and the Christmas, like, have you in the past been invited to the party?

[A]

I think there was probably parties that I just didn't know about.

[E]

You didn't know about?

[A]

How did we find out about this?

[F]

There weren't any parties.

[C]

I heard it on Julia Cunningham show.

[A]

Oh, because Julia was invited and they.

[E]

Were talking about being invited to the Sierra's exam Christmas party.

[B]

Where was it?

[F]

I have some intel. I have some intel first. After Jeff left.

[A]

Don't even start your bullshit excuses.

[F]

After Jeff left, I went around and had to apologize on behalf of Jeff Lewis live.

[A]

Why? Why would you apologize? They should be apologizing in HR and to me and to Katie.

[F]

And you're all the detail I got was it actually technically was not a party. In fact, SiriusXM is not hosting, but just let me say not hosting any holiday parties. What happened was the kind people at the various culture departments that we have here had some extra budget and they pulled it together and used their resources to create a Winterfest, which is like, kind of like a party, but not an official party.

[B]

A Winterfest is a party.

[F]

But I will say this. I was invited. Jeff also was still not invited. You were invited.

[E]

Wait a minute. You were invited. Jeff was not.

[F]

Yeah. So like, isn't that insane? Yeah. So I will say he should have invited us. But she's. I do think Jeff should have been invited. But it was clarity that it technically was not a holiday party. It was a winter fest.

[E]

To me that you. That's a horrible point.

[B]

Yeah, like, to me, that doesn't hold up.

[E]

That doesn't hold up at all. It was a Winterfest instead of a Christmas party.

[B]

I like a festival too.

[F]

I like the festival.

[A]

So I got an email, right? So after I reported, after I filed a complaint and was so funny because, you know, of course I'm fucking around, but they take it real seriously in there. So now it's like a real grievance, like a real complaint. So now they feel like they have to cover their asses. So I got the. I got the email back. It was actually not a holiday party. SXM is not having any parties this year. And they specifically could not call it a holiday party. Some of the heads of the various culture departments. This is what you're saying. Women's group pulled their excess budget to put on this Winterfest event. Bullshit. I wrote. They are backtracking. They will hear from all of my lawyers, my f. Family law attorney, my real estate attorney, my. My tax attorney.

[B]

They're all calling just be shaking. And don't you think.

[E]

Especially your tax attorney. I want to. I want to understand when you walked into that, like, how much of it was just for kicks and how much, like how. How butthurt were you?

[A]

Well, a little butt hurt, but I don't. I just want the drink tickets. I heard the charcuterie was not that good. You just thought it was gone in like 20 minutes.

[B]

Where was it?

[A]

But there was a DJ.

[C]

There was a DJ bar in Hollywood. And Jim, I also heard a rumor that there was. They were charging $20 for parking. So you had to pay to park. You had to pay to go to the party. They did not even comp the parking.

[A]

I Can't believe that.

[C]

Well, I would have averaged what I heard.

[F]

It was Tuesday at 4pm it was not a very convenient time for a get together. Yeah. So like most people on the eighth floor didn't go.

[A]

They knew I was working and that's why they scheduled at that time.

[C]

They knew you had a spray tank.

[E]

Add that to. Now we gotta have a little chat. Now you got some shit.

[B]

You got some chicken. Add that to your next email. Also, are your lawyers really. Are you gonna keep this going? Are the lawyers going to contact them?

[A]

Well, the funny thing is I think if I had just gone into. We have to. We can't call her by her real name. So Smelly's office. If we. If I had just gone into Smelly's office and there was. I didn't know there was a zoom happening. So when I would have just gone in and like fucked around. But then I realized that the all of the whole HR department was on the zoom. So then I think they took it a little more seriously which is why we got this bullshit excuse. And also the Jeff Lewis. Come on. I'm dumb but I'm not stupid.

[B]

That is. That's a bad. Can Jameson search the network to see if that person exists? Okay, do it. Jeff Lewis.

[C]

Smart.

[B]

Yeah. I can't believe you haven't done that yet. Check the. That would have been the first thing I would have done.

[C]

You are leaving out the fact that.

[A]

Mid show you stormed into someone else's show. Well, that's what I'm worried about. I'm. Somebody might write me up because.

[B]

Oh whatever. You have a million of those.

[A]

I only have six.

[B]

That's a lot.

[A]

So I was so upset and sometimes I can't regulate my emotions that I stormed into a live show next door with Julia Cunningham and I said, were you invited to SiriusXM party? And she goes yeah. And I'm like motherfuckers. And then I stormed out. So it's possible I could get a write up. But Julia's my friend, she's not gonna write me up. But the other people could probably could.

[E]

Have handled that a little better.

[B]

And he carried that.

[E]

Could have gone a little better.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

Wow.

[B]

I'm just shocked. I just don't think there's like who. That's just bad, bad business. No.

[A]

I'm gonna tell you why I'm one of the biggest hypocrites in the world. Because I am like Patrick and Paul right now with Ryan's baby shower.

[C]

100%.

[A]

Have you noticed that?

[F]

Yeah. The other point of Clarification is Jeff is technically a contracted employee, not a full time employee. So I think they had just invited kind of like full time employees.

[B]

Well, is Julia Cunningham a full time employee?

[F]

Yeah, she's in this weird nebul where she's technically an employee, not an independent contractor. So she's in this nebulous thing. So, like, it came into our calendar.

[B]

She gets to go to the window.

[E]

Would you have gone if you were invited? No.

[A]

I'll tell you why.

[F]

No, he wouldn't. The answer is no. That's the man's question.

[A]

I would have gone. I go to every one of those events and I'll tell you why.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Sirius XM is very close to the vest with their numbers, with their information, their demographics, all of that. What I do is I find the drunkest executives and then I ask them questions, and that's where I get all my intel.

[B]

Smart.

[E]

Right?

[A]

I had no idea this show was even successful years ago until I went.

[B]

To those parties and talked to the right drunk person.

[A]

Correct. So thank God that SiriusXM executives are drinkers.

[B]

Great. That seems to really.

[F]

Allegedly.

[B]

I mean, are you out of control, Jude?

[E]

You should have invited them to your event. Fit right in.

[A]

You're right.

[B]

They wouldn't have gone because it was in Brea.

[E]

How did you guys. I. Sorry, I just was. Had the visual. How'd you roll down there all together? Like, in a big.

[B]

We were in, like, a big Escalade. No, no, we were in a couple.

[E]

I love that entourage coming down the 5 Freeway.

[A]

Like, it was just 5 Escalades.

[B]

It was wild and, like, trying to figure out how to get to the highway. I had no idea where we were.

[A]

And we had our hazard lights on.

[E]

I kind of love that. You should. You should have done that. Anyway, like, that. Just do it.

[A]

And I mean, we do that driving to the grocery store.

[C]

That's just how we drive.

[E]

Yeah. Hang out with you guys more. I like it.

[A]

All right, so we do need. I've been thinking about you, Oscar. And yesterday you were. You were very vulnerable with us, and you had said that you had been duffed. Annie, please explain to the listeners what a DUFF that is.

[B]

A Designated Ugly Fat friend.

[A]

Okay. Oscar calls himself rubbing salt in the wound. No, no, no.

[B]

You call yourself this.

[A]

No, this is. It's just what it's called. I don't think you were duffed.

[E]

And how did you determine that you were duffed? Like, you sort of dawned on you in a moment. Like, what was that moment? I thought I was duffed.

[C]

I'M a Duff.

[A]

When she started asking me about my friend.

[B]

Oh, does that make sense?

[F]

Oscar was on a date, and he thought he was on a date with this woman, but she was using him to get to his friend.

[A]

I don't think it was a date. I don't think it was ever a date. I think. I think the problem is, and we're a little alike this way, is that we think everyone is attracted to us, right? So we think everything is a date, but it's not, because some people just want to be friends. I think that you're misreading social cues. Yeah, okay, I'm just a narcissist, but you're misreading, I think, social cues. Don't you agree?

[E]

I don't know. If a woman that I was interested in asked me to go and have. What was it? Lunch? Was it coffee? What was it?

[A]

It was dinner.

[E]

It was dinner, Jeff. No way that feels to.

[A]

I think if we look at the texts, I think we're all going to know it was platonic.

[E]

Can we pull those up, please?

[A]

Yes, please. Do you have the text? They're all gone. I. I got rid of her. I shed all skin from 2025, heading into 2026. Screw her.

[E]

So that really hurt.

[A]

Were you guys not friendly?

[E]

That was. Thanks, Annie.

[A]

But if you see the friend, you.

[E]

Kind of want to body your friends like your friends, I want to say, okay, well, that. That couldn't have felt great.

[A]

No, it wasn't.

[B]

Did you give her information about your friend?

[A]

No. And he has a girlfriend, so I don't understand. How did you meet this girl? How did you meet this girl? All high school. Oh, so it's a high school friend? Yeah. Okay, so you were friends. Yeah, she wanted to get together to catch up, and while she was there.

[B]

Also, I'm curious about your friend.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Who I'm, like, attracted to.

[F]

When was the last time you saw her?

[A]

Before graduation, when I confessed that I liked her throughout high school.

[F]

Okay, so wait, how old are you? It's been 10 years.

[E]

This is like.

[B]

How old are you?

[E]

This is like a script that's being like. Like revealed step by step.

[C]

It's literally your Christmas thing that you did.

[E]

Yeah, I think. I think I make it a Hallmark. Did I make this movie?

[A]

Is this Another Sweet Christmas?

[E]

Like another. Another. Another sweet Christmas?

[B]

How many Christmas movies have you done?

[E]

75. No, I've done probably 20. 21.

[B]

Holy shit.

[A]

I know.

[B]

I've done two.

[E]

Yeah, well, I bet you.

[A]

And they killed you off, right?

[B]

They kill me off. I Die on all of them.

[E]

You know, it takes a lot. It's only in Die Hard and your movies where somebody gets killed off. So that's. That's impressive.

[B]

You know what's the. Actually, the hardest part is bringing my kids to set and them seeing Santa and me, like, having to explain what the fuck is going on because they're so little. And I'm like. I tell that actor. I'm like, you better have gifts today. There better be gifts in that bag. I have small children coming here, and you are not gonna blow this for them. But I needed to take this movie to pay our mortgage.

[A]

I was at the Grove, and there was Santa there, and I told Monroe. I'm like, you know that's not the real Santa, right? Like, that's not the real Santa. The real Santa, you know, is busy, busy. Yeah.

[B]

Really making stuff happen right now. And she's fine with that.

[A]

He's on crunch time right now. Yeah, yeah, she got it. She's like, okay. Yeah.

[B]

Does she still believe?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I think this might be the last year, though.

[B]

I just got the first question of my son, who's 8, being like, come on. I. I think it's you and Daddy. And I'm like, no. I mean, I'm like, I mean, it's.

[E]

I know. It's a very bizarre lie. It's a bizarre. Here's a dilemma that I have. My kids are older, right? So when my son. My son was kind of like the last of his friends that still believed in Santa, and we kind of kept it. We did unbelievable roofs, like our house in Colorado. I'd get up on the roof and jump on the roof, and the kids would run, like, we went to great lengths. Hiding in the bushes with a red light for Rudolph, like, all sorts of things. So they really kind of were.

[A]

Wow, you committed?

[E]

No, no. I told you. Mr. Christmas. But.

[B]

21 Christmas.

[E]

But here's the thing is, at one point, I started thinking to myself, I might be like, at this point now, do I bring him in? Like, do I kind of, like, all his friends know? He doesn't know. So I made the very tough decision.

[B]

You just told him?

[A]

No. You just told him?

[E]

I did.

[B]

And what did he.

[E]

Did he.

[B]

Is he okay?

[E]

I don't think it went great. Like, I think it was. In other words, I kind of think. I kind of. I regret, like.

[B]

And he loves you.

[E]

He came back years later saying, thank you. I'm glad you did that. But I think in the moment, he.

[A]

Was like, yeah, wrecked, you know?

[B]

I know. Very famous. Actors that. I'm not going to name names, but they have a pretty strict policy on. Like, we don't lie to our. Like, they never have done Santa or the Tooth Fairy or anything. Because they're just like, I want to set up that I don't lie to my children. And I'm just like, oh, God, I don't know what. I mean, do any of us know what the fuck we're doing? I mean, this is all impossible.

[A]

But Santa's different. I said to her, I believe in Santa.

[B]

Right?

[A]

It's not really a lot.

[B]

Yes. And when I. When my son did ask, it was me and Daddy, I said, I believe. I said something like that, too. I said that, you know who could.

[A]

Come up with a good excuse? SiriusXM. We should ask them. What should we tell our kids? Cause they've clearly come up with a lot of bullshit.

[E]

They sure do.

[B]

Gmail, Santa Claus, who's in Atlanta.

[E]

I just want to point one thing out, too. Oscar's so happy we got sidetracked.

[B]

Oh, yeah, sorry. Back on the dust.

[A]

But here's the thing. Oscar still believes in Santa, which I think is so cute. Oscar.

[B]

Oscar, Wait.

[A]

That's where he gets all his Funko Pops right from Santa. What's wrong with having an imagination? Now, did. How long did it take for Cameron to tell you, Katie, when you met him this morning, that his house burned down?

[B]

I didn't even know that.

[A]

How do you not know?

[E]

I'm progressing, you see, I'm getting better. I'm making like I'm improving.

[A]

So this is a post. This is a very recent post from Cameron Matheson, if you don't know. My house burned down. I lost all my Christmas ornaments in the fires. We lost so many. We lost so many ornaments that were so special to us.

[E]

That is paraphrasing. A B is a direct quote. No, that's a paraphrase for sure. I started off saying thank. No, I was gifted a whole bunch of things to replace a lot of my Christmas decorations. And so I was thanking a company that did that and in doing so, talking about all these great new ornaments that I'm.

[A]

Can't we just promote the ornaments without bringing up the fire again? And I'm. I'm. I don't want to throw you into the bus can, but in my notes here. So Keon put the thing. He goes, we know, Cameron.

[E]

It's actually helpful. Exclamation point. Like, it's actually helpful for me to hear this. I don't want to be that guy. Like, if that's how it's coming off. That's fine.

[B]

It's only. It hasn't even been a year. It's okay.

[A]

So what happens at a year? Does he stop?

[B]

No, he's supposed to have his process, whatever that is. I don't know. Wait, where did you live?

[E]

And then I come back.

[B]

Am I bringing this up?

[E]

Then I come here and then I get annihilated by you guys. That's my process.

[B]

You're just thanking people for giving you free ornaments, which is really nice. Do we want to say that company right here, right now.

[A]

The apartment looks nice, by the way.

[E]

Balsam Hill. Oh, thanks.

[A]

Where is the apartment?

[E]

In Silver Lake. Not too far from here. About 15 minutes from here.

[B]

What.

[A]

What street?

[E]

Hyperion.

[A]

Nice.

[B]

Oh, that's a nice.

[A]

What block?

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

What's across street?

[E]

Yeah, I got to see what I see.

[A]

What's the UN number?

[B]

Wait, was your house. Where was your house?

[E]

In Aladina, up in the mountains. Yeah, it was. It was a great spot. Should we talk a little bit about it?

[A]

It was a great house, actually.

[E]

How much time do we have?

[B]

You went to his house?

[A]

No, but I've seen. I've seen pictures before. It burned. It was a beautiful home.

[E]

A lot of it's an incredibly. It was a special home. It was like a passion project.

[A]

So much original detail. When was. When was it built before? Oh, yeah. You can't irreplace. Sorry, Cameron. You can't replace the. Something like that with all those details. They just don't make houses like that anymore. In shady times. Let there be drag.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Is this gonna knock me out of this competition?

[A]

This is my moment to shine.

[B]

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[E]

I didn't even notice at first. I was like oh I love this song. Wait a minute.

[A]

That was a terrible remix though. You found the worst remix.

[F]

I had to do it quickly cause you pulled me aside very quickly and said don't blame me.

[A]

Oh don't blame me.

[F]

Can you quickly cue Burning down the House? So I quickly did it. That's the best I could do.

[A]

I would not do that to camera.

[B]

No.

[E]

You sure? You certainly would not.

[A]

Now have you heard about his solo camping trips?

[B]

I'm so not interested. Oh, God.

[A]

Are you going?

[B]

We made it to 9:35 before the big jerk off. Sound cue.

[E]

Yeah, well, you can thank me and my camping trips for that. Yes, I go camping sometimes alone. Just to get away. Up in the Angeles Crest Forest.

[B]

Aren't you? Are you scared?

[E]

Not at all. Not even remotely.

[B]

If I saw or heard one animal, I. Absolutely not.

[A]

I don't think he's alone. I think there's some weird kink going on in that forest.

[C]

Oh.

[A]

Yep.

[E]

It's a gathering of people. We just meet up in the forest. They're all strangers.

[B]

We do forest and we like.

[E]

We wear masks and we sing and dance around chants. Naked crazy things.

[B]

Naked orgies.

[A]

I think it's loud and I think it's messy and I think they go way out to that forest where they can't be seen or recorded by Annie.

[E]

Meanwhile, I'm like posting photos and videos.

[B]

Yeah, but that's so that there's no trail.

[C]

It's a cover.

[B]

It's a cover, sure.

[E]

What's the other fact that you keep pointing out? That I would be a very good serial killer. He thinks like that. That would be really convincing.

[A]

No one goes out to the forest by themselves. There's a twinkle.

[B]

Okay, you're burying some shit.

[E]

That's what.

[B]

Burying a body.

[E]

That's great.

[B]

I would never go to the forest by myself. Like, no way. I don't go to the mall by myself.

[C]

I'm not doing anything.

[E]

I'm about to drive 12 hours to Colorado by myself and I can't wait.

[A]

This sounds like a Brokeback Mountain situation.

[B]

I'm alone.

[E]

I'm literally alone.

[B]

Oh, maybe that's what's going on.

[E]

I wish I knew how to quit you.

[C]

That's way better. Ennis.

[A]

Maybe he goes to the same.

[E]

I know what I'm gonna do now.

[A]

Maybe Letterman's dad goes to the same to.

[E]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna live Instagram My 12 hour journey to Colorado.

[C]

Please do so.

[E]

You know, so you can tell.

[B]

I said we don't want to see that. Have you ever had anything scary happen when you're like, out there?

[C]

Like a bear?

[E]

Yeah, there's been bears and stuff, but they don't come like, they don't come at, you know, nothing scary. At one time. One time a mountain lion was sort of walking. Yeah, one time. One time.

[A]

She's out. Katie's out.

[E]

It looked like a cat in the distance and that like sort of the. The fox. It was Walking closer. And I was like, wow, that's, that's a big tail. And then it came closer and came out of like sort of the fog. And I was like, I thought it was a bobcat.

[A]

Yeah, at first.

[E]

And I was like, oh, that's a big bobcat. And I was like, oh my God, that's not a bobcat. And I got my car, just let it pass. It was, it was a mountain lion.

[A]

But here's the thing though. If Cameron asked you to go camping, you'd go.

[B]

No.

[A]

You wouldn't?

[B]

No.

[E]

What if I asked you to go? Well, I mean, if circumstances were different and you know, your husband wouldn't be offended.

[A]

Was not alive. If your husband was not alive.

[E]

If your husband was alive.

[B]

Not God, whatever.

[E]

What if glamping like a cabin.

[B]

I've done that, I've done that. It's like fine. I'd still like rather a hotel. I mean I do a lot of woodsy stuff. I just do it in you know, lake houses and cabins and things like that. Sure, I'm into all that.

[A]

That's not camping.

[B]

Yeah, no, I don't camp. I don't camp. When I moved to la, an ex boyfriend of mine, we moved down to LA together and camped out down like the PCH from Seattle. That's the last and only time I've done it since I was a child.

[E]

What were some of you hated?

[F]

All.

[B]

Oh, it was freezing. I was of ground. It was not romantic.

[E]

Well, I would take much better care of you. First of all, I have an amazing.

[B]

Whoa. People are using their minds in this room.

[E]

You, you know what I mean? I mean I have a really, really good like thick mattress. I have like, I bring a duvet. It's like full on glamping. It's car camping. It's not.

[A]

He'll take care of you, Katie.

[C]

And when Cameron came in this.

[B]

Oh, I don't care. But you're very sweet and I wonderful son. Adam. Adam.

[E]

That's not what I meant.

[B]

Adam and I, we've wanted to like take our kids in like a sprinter van situation. Yeah, that's, you know, like our friend has a sprinter van. Sprinter van. Maybe someday we'll get around to that. Jeff Lewis's face is literally so crinkled. Have you ever done that with Monroe?

[A]

Fuck no.

[B]

She doesn't like nature. She doesn't care.

[A]

No, Jeff doesn't like nature either. No, I don't mind. I liked. If I like say went to Yosemite, I'd want to stay like probably at the Ahwahnee Like a nice hotel.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Hike during the day, do all that stuff, but then get dressed for dinner and have a really nice like, martini steak, caviar, Caesar salad.

[B]

I think I'm with you. Carrot cake, seca martini, full body cash and a massage.

[C]

So I'm Salt Lake City on Pico.

[E]

So similar to my experience.

[A]

Yes, yes. That's the kind of food.

[F]

It's kind of like I always. I was. I also am not camping. And I'm always like, please God, send me a man who doesn't like camping. And they did. So. But isn't it kind of a pain in the ass to get it all together, put it all in the car.

[E]

To be 100% honest? Like, absolutely. It's a massive pain in the ass.

[F]

But you love.

[E]

And sometimes it feels like it's not worth it, but there's moments in there where you're in nature. You're looking up, you're falling asleep. The stars, like, it's really nice. And then you gotta pack everything up and go back home and you're like, was that worth it?

[F]

Okay.

[E]

But it's a, it's a pain.

[F]

Follow up question. So animals, but what? Also about like human psychopaths.

[E]

Yeah, that's a, that's a concern.

[B]

Yeah. I've driven around like some campsites and you're like, these people are scary.

[E]

I don't think I'm the target.

[B]

I'm sorry. Sorry. No offense to people who camp.

[E]

Do you know what I mean?

[C]

Shout out, camper.

[B]

Shout out, campers.

[E]

I'm not a target for those. Psych. I'm a six two, two hundred pound guy. Like, I don't think that that's like, I don't think I'm the guy they're going after.

[A]

Right, Right.

[C]

I hope they're going after me and Jameson.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Unless it's a gay serial killer and they're out there.

[C]

Shout out gay stuff.

[B]

Gay stuff.

[A]

I think so.

[F]

Yeah. And they do what they want with you. I think you should take.

[B]

Jeff.

[E]

Hold on. Jeff, you should take. We went camping.

[B]

Jeff, go.

[A]

I would go with Cameron.

[B]

Can you please go so we can hear about it on the show?

[A]

Imagine.

[E]

I would love never.

[A]

He would never speak to me again.

[B]

Where do you poop? Sorry.

[A]

Oh, yeah, that's a good question.

[B]

I'm so sorry. But like, where do you poop and pee and all that?

[E]

Well, like, the places I go are campgrounds that have bathrooms.

[A]

Okay.

[E]

But sometimes you just, you just bring toilet paper and you just squat and.

[A]

I probably won't go the whole weekend.

[B]

That sounds. Yeah, I wouldn't either.

[A]

Yeah, I'm not gonna be able to, but there's like. Be able to.

[E]

You can find campgrounds with bathrooms.

[B]

Okay, what are the bathrooms like, Right, Jeff? I would. I think you should go. On Christmas Day, the one day you take off. This is what you should be doing with your time.

[E]

Merry Christmas to you, Jeff. This is what I got you for Christmas.

[A]

Does General Hospital send you a nice holiday gift?

[E]

They sent a card saying they made a donation on my behalf.

[A]

Yeah, one of those gifts. That's.

[E]

Yeah, they used to. We used to. ABC used to give, like, real gifts.

[B]

They've real gifts.

[E]

Well, that kind of slipped up, but, yeah, they used to. Not. Not anymore.

[B]

Are you on it now?

[E]

I am, yeah.

[B]

Oh, wow. Do you have to do, like, 80 pages a day?

[E]

I had 87 pages of dialogue on Monday because I was away, as you guys know. I was away for three weeks working on a Christmas movie and came back and all my scenes were kind of condensed into a few days, and Monday in particular, and I. That's the record. 87 pages of my own scenes and dialogue in one day. I was in every scene the whole day. And I was jet. Like, I got back from Budapest Fest Sunday night.

[B]

I love it there.

[E]

And then on Monday morning, I went and did 87 pages the next day, and I was.

[F]

Whoa.

[A]

Did you take Celsius?

[E]

I didn't, but I just drank a lot of coffee. Yeah. And I did nad. You know, me and my peptides. I did a lot.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, I've been hearing about these. This right and left, like, this week. The peptide. Was it from you guys? That's where I first heard about it.

[A]

Place downstairs. Does it. I think it's going to be real convenient.

[E]

Oh, that's great.

[A]

Right next door. What's the name of it?

[C]

Paws.

[B]

Oh, I love paws.

[A]

You've been to Paws?

[B]

Many a time. I can get you a hook up there. Have you ever gone?

[A]

No, but it's right there. I can park on P4.

[B]

I love it. And I. I've gone for, like, girls. I've gone for birthdays. I've gone by myself. I've gone on an amazing date night with Adam where we do pause for two hours, then we get dressed there, and then we go across the street to Gigi's.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

For a delicious dinner. It's a great date.

[E]

And pause is. What is it? Like a song?

[B]

I go to cry first. I'll do the cry.

[E]

Oh, gotcha, Gotcha. Okay.

[B]

Then I do the song no, the deprivation tank that you're just floating in. A magnesium bubble that has no light, no sound, and it's just black. I took the greatest nap of my life.

[A]

Oh, I don't know about that.

[B]

Then you do the contrast therapy where you're jumping from the sauna into a freezing cold plunge. And you can do that in a room with. That fits more than one person, which is what Adam and I were doing. And you plug in your ipod and it's great. IPod? That's like 100,000 years old.

[A]

I'm sorry, your Walkman.

[B]

Yeah, my Walkman. And we did that. And then I got ready in the bathroom there, like cutesy. And then we walked across the street and had dinner. It was so wonderful.

[A]

I'm just looking for just the NAD drip, but thank you for the whole commercial. Yeah.

[B]

Pediatric dentistry. And pause.

[E]

But do they. Do they do other things other than NAD? Like all the.

[B]

They do. They do IVs, they do vitamin drips, but no, what.

[E]

I mean, like other peptides. Can they get you things?

[A]

I already have the copper peptides. Coming from a Sandra Good.

[E]

You got the copper peptide. And then how about the one for recovery and soft tissue and healing? BPC157. That's for. Very popular.

[A]

We write that shit down.

[E]

It's really, really, really talking about. It's a no brainer.

[A]

Pepper. Something's working. He probably also works out.

[B]

You work out really hard, though.

[E]

I. I mean, I. I work out. Yep.

[A]

Allison, wait. What does this stu mean?

[C]

He.

[A]

No, I thought I was going to take the other one. The one where that was backing up Katie. That person's gone.

[C]

There was a guy who dropped off. Yeah, but he was saying that he saw you fight for your life for that microphone and said it would have been a mess.

[B]

Thank you so much for backing me up and being my witness to that insanity.

[E]

You're badass. That's. Hey, I wish I had that on video.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

When ABC flew you from France to New York to be on the third hour of. What is it? Good Morning America. So tell me about that flight. Were you indeed in LA Premiere or were you in first class or.

[E]

And it was. It was Great American Family that flew me from Paris to New York. And they. It was La Premier. And not like. So here's the deal. Like, it was. So I think you've done it right? So, you know. Or you.

[A]

It's on my bucket list.

[E]

So you show up at. You show up at the airport and they're waiting for you, which you can have arranged Anyway, but they're waiting for you and they take you in a whole different check in area. They take you through this whole. They take your pet. You don't do anything. Then they drive you to. They drive you through the planes and stuff to a special, you know, waiting area lounge that's only for La Premiere. And that's amazing. And it's very, very, really beautiful. Like, way better than any lounge I've ever. And then when it's time, they drive you right to the plane. They walk you right into your suite on the plane.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[E]

Put it this way. This is how big it is. I had seven airplane windows long. That's how big. No, seven windows long. I had a full bed, a desk, a chair, and the other thing, I had an apartment. So there's four of those. Right. So there's two on the. Two on the windows and then there's two on the inside of the aisle that are sort of matching. And because it's not very popular because it costs $21,000 a direction, the. The other one was empty, so they gave me both. So I literally had a room almost as big, I would say from here over on the plane with beds and desks and four TVs.

[A]

Like, it was crazy.

[E]

Well, each, each suite has two TVs depending on where. If you're in the bed, you have a TV this way. If you're in the desk, you have a TV this way.

[A]

Did you shower? Shower?

[E]

I didn't shower.

[A]

But you could, you could.

[E]

Absolutely.

[B]

How could you not have tried that?

[E]

I did.

[B]

Oh, it's not that long of a flight.

[E]

Well, it was eight hours. I could have. I, you know, I wanted to get a little nap. I. I was on GMA early in the morning. I wanted to come, like, come and rested and.

[A]

Did you have the duck lasagna?

[E]

No, but I had duck. It wasn't lasagna.

[A]

You had the duck lasagna.

[F]

Why?

[B]

Did you fly?

[A]

No, he was in business.

[C]

Yeah, biz. But I, you know, snuck a little.

[A]

Did you drink? They have great wines.

[E]

I did know. I just had champagne.

[B]

I know I just said, you guys, I'm. I fly next to the toilets. It's just.

[E]

Now there it is. There's. So there's. That's smaller than what I had because that's what? One, two.

[C]

That's only five windows.

[E]

Yeah, one.

[F]

Boo.

[E]

That's five windows. So I had, for whatever reason, two more windows.

[A]

Did you get a chance to watch your own movies?

[E]

I did not. I don't watch my movies.

[B]

I don't either.

[E]

I don't. Yeah, no, but. But they were there.

[A]

I just kind of picture Katie, like walking down. Oh, you're watching Hunting Wives. I'm Jill.

[C]

That's me.

[B]

Would you like to check? I do not. I am hiding with my children and my wonderful husband next to the toilets in the back row. That. I mean, we.

[E]

I don't believe it.

[B]

Swear to you, you're not.

[E]

Well, when you're traveling as a family, it's. It's expensive to. But I mean, obviously for when I'm.

[B]

Flying for work, if someone else is paying first class, that's why we're how I do it.

[E]

But union wise, they have to fly business for better.

[B]

Yes. Oh, no. I actually usually argue against that, usually in my contracts, because I. I've always traveled with my family and so if they're going to give me two business class tickets, I go, okay, I'm going to send those back. Can I get 4 economy? And can I take my kids? Guys, I fucking wheel and deal to take my whole family with me. I mean, it's hell, but I rather be with them and I don't know what I'm doing.

[A]

But I'm sure Netflix sent you a great gift, right? Right? Holiday gift.

[B]

Nope. Oh, Nope.

[E]

What did SiriusXM get you?

[B]

And not an invite to their party.

[C]

I'm wearing.

[A]

Oh, no, that's not from SirusXM. That's from. That's a nice color on you.

[E]

But you got a hoodie.

[A]

What did I get? Oh, I got a. Oh, I got that duffel bag.

[C]

Oh, yeah, that was nice.

[A]

Oh, what was that?

[C]

Who makes that rains?

[E]

Oh, that's a great. That's a great company.

[A]

It made a nice re gift.

[B]

Yeah, for sure. Like we need those. That's so great.

[F]

Was it monogrammed? Was it embossed?

[A]

It had the S. Oh, Jeff Dot Lewis.

[E]

I don't think I would get a Netflix.

[A]

They made two of them.

[B]

I don't think I would get a Netflix gift because Jill died. I'm literally sitting here thinking, why did.

[F]

I not get a Netflix gift?

[B]

That's all right, guys.

[A]

It's interesting too, because I heard that in the book, Jill is the actual murderer, but then in the TV series, they killed her off.

[C]

They said, we can't stand it.

[A]

How strange that they deviated from the.

[B]

Jeff Lewis actual story. When I auditioned for the role, she was always going to die. There is nothing I did. There was no diva behavior. You can ask anybody else on the show. That's just how Rebecca Cutter changed it. From the book.

[E]

I can't imagine you would have any diva behavior ever. No, especially flying coaches.

[A]

My experience with her is that she's very professional. Oh, yes, very professional, punctual, did her job, didn't get drunk.

[B]

I don't believe that people are late. No, I would not get drunk. I mean, invite me again. We'll see what happens.

[A]

But you were good. You had two drinks the entire night. You nursed that for five hours.

[E]

If you had some backup out there in the madness, then you could have a drink and relax a little bit. Like, if it wasn't only you in charge of all that.

[B]

Yes. And I also just felt out of my element. I was like, ooh, this would be an. I would be stupid. Also, I wasn't, like, on my own. I had to rely on them to get me to and from Brea, which I don't know where that is.

[A]

You still don't know where it is?

[B]

I haven't even met you, but I don't know the other words you're saying.

[A]

Did American family send you a nice gift? I bet they did. If they fly you Le Premier.

[E]

Yeah, they usually send a really nice gift. I don't think I've got it yet, but they always do.

[A]

It's like a car.

[B]

Give an example.

[E]

I mean, I've gotten like a money clip. Like a Tiffany money clip. I've gotten. Yeah, things like that.

[A]

Thoughtful. Those are thoughtful gifts.

[E]

Oh, I've got a really, really nice passport holder engraved like.

[A]

Oh, yeah, things like that. That would have been n. Well, we.

[F]

Also get different gifts than Jeff gets, so talent gets better. Or more, I would imagine. More expensive gifts than.

[A]

What'd you get again?

[F]

I didn't get anything, so that wasn't anything.

[B]

Well, you got an invite to the party.

[F]

I got an invite to a festival.

[A]

And you got two free drink tickets, which I did not get.

[F]

No. It was not a convenient time to go to a festival.

[A]

Okay. But he also. There was a very important event which we can talk about when we come back. Very important event. Debarbara had their two year anniversary and Jameson was invited. It was a coveted invite and he said he was unavailable. And on our way to Debarbara, we saw him jogging in front of Trader Joe's. And so I called him out. And the sad part about this is Barbara put together a beautiful Christmas gift for Jameson and sent it home.

[F]

Very sweet of her.

[B]

I love New York. You didn't invite me.

[A]

I'm going in Christmas.

[B]

It's my favorite city in the world.

[A]

Really?

[B]

It's My hometown. Yeah. My mother talks like this. I'm fucking New York.

[A]

I didn't realize you're from New York. But I've also never asked.

[B]

Well, yeah, you're a selfish narcissist, but I love you. No, you're very hardworking. Yeah. From New York. I wish. Where are you stay. Where do you stay when you go.

[E]

And where do you record when you're there?

[C]

SiriusXM.

[A]

S sound.

[B]

Oh, yeah. I've been there. I've been there.

[A]

Okay, good.

[B]

So Christmas Day, are you celebrating it in New York with Monroe?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, is that where Santa comes?

[A]

No, Santa's coming to our house on Wednesday night and then we'll open gifts Thursday morning and then we go to the airport and then we fly to home.

[C]

It's very Home alone.

[A]

Is it?

[B]

That's really cute. And then where do you stay? Like the Plaza. And she gets to just be like.

[A]

We'Re staying in a nice hotel that's very Christmas holiday festive.

[B]

Do you stay there?

[C]

I'm staying at a different hotel.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But he's not as happy because, you know, he's in a. It's not as nice of a hotel.

[C]

I live in a good hotel.

[A]

But you've got the club room.

[C]

I do have access to a club floor.

[B]

And also New York is insane. Even like mediocre hotels are $700 a night.

[E]

And you're staying longer though too, right?

[B]

Like, you're making a Christmas must.

[C]

No, I'm doing the same. Exact same.

[E]

Oh, you are? I thought you had more time off.

[C]

No, I'm going home to my parents in Washington. Tuesday, Wednesday, and then flying on Thursday.

[A]

Are we promoting Another Sweet Christmas? No. That's the one you just filmed.

[E]

No, we just filmed A Sweet Christmas Anniversary which is coming out now. But right now in streaming is Another Sweet Christmas. Thanks for bringing it up, Jeff.

[A]

Where do we find it? And then there's one that it's previous.

[E]

Yeah. Great American Family and Pure Flicks. Streaming. Either A Great American Family, which is cable. And then you can stream it on Pure Flix.

[A]

Okay. But you can also watch Home Sweet Christmas first before watching Another Sweet Christmas and that.

[E]

And you can watch that anywhere. You can see that everywhere.

[A]

Yep.

[E]

Just get.

[A]

I'm gonna watch it on the plane.

[B]

Me too.

[E]

Yeah, I'll send you the link so you. So you don't miss it.

[B]

Also, you'll be camping with him. Him, Jeff.

[A]

Well, I want to talk to you about that because I think we could sell those on fan social camping trips with Cameron.

[B]

You should do that.

[A]

Y.

[E]

That sounds like an I would never.

[B]

B but yes situation.

[E]

Can I. Can I vet them beforehand?

[A]

No, we do.

[E]

I'll do it.

[A]

We'll do it. Thanks for listening. If you want more of this, listen to Jeff Lewis ladies every weekday on SiriusXM, as well as the Jeff Lewis Channel, exclusively on the SiriusXM app.

[F]

The McDonald's Snack Wrap is back.

[E]

You brought it back. Ranch snack wrap. Spicy snack wrap. You broke the Internet for a snack? Snack wrap is back.

[A]

Hey, friends. Big J Okerson and myself, Robert Kelly are here to let you know about a very special episode of the Bonfire. It's our massive Christmas spectacular episode live from the Village underground in New York City. We're gonna have some special guests. It is going to be epic and you're going to love it. So here. That's legendary, so don't miss it. Iconic. One more majestic. Okay, so don't miss it.

[E]

Listen to the episode of the Bonfire.

[A]

Wherever you get your podcasts.